Does Memory speed matter?

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[@life-longpatriot8258]

I've always wanted to learn more about RAM timing, so that would be a great segment if you choose to go more in depth with it. Thank you!

[@-----------------------------]

@Peter G probably because most of his viewers are practically the pcmr subreddit. All they see is specs, bigger numbers = best.

[@lillianfox6848]

@@----------------------------- uhh...bigger isn't always better. CAS latency is the perfect example of that.

[@-----------------------------]

@@lillianfox6848 take time to read, I'm describing the pcmr subreddit

[@lillianfox6848]

@@----------------------------- ah I see, my bad

[@KonorSacks]

Agreed I need to make my dimms match in timings, to stop blue screening

[@Minotaur10]

I'd love to see a comparison with low speed + tight timings vs. high speed + loose timings

[@HolloVVpoint]

High speed is better. I've personally tested it, using mostly cpu heavy titles like Total war. 2666Mhz with CL14-15-15 and 3200Mhz with CL16-17-17 and the faster speed always produces better results. Infact on the stock 3200MHz timings which were CL-18-18-18 the results where pretty much the same if only very very slightly worse than the tighter ones!

[@brkbtjunkie]

Chris Minors threoretically they would be similar

[@pr0l0w]

true latency on low speed and tight timings vs high speed and loose timings can be exactly the same, depends on the numbers you use. Way more important are the subtimings, where you can get a lot more out of your RAM. The important numbers for RAM are bandwith (read,write and copy) and the true (whole) latency that a RAM needs to do a whole Operation.

[@brandongunn7992]

@@HolloVVpoint 3200c16 has a CAS latency of 10.0ns and 2666c14 has a CAS latency of 10.5ns. So, the 3200c16 kit had both faster clock speed and tighter timings.... of course it won.

[@HolloVVpoint]

Brandon Gunn yeah it was faster even with CL-18 genius. Speed > Timings I've tested it my self. It's not hard do and anyone can do it with out even overclocking their RAM. Just buy a faster stick go to bios run it at stock speeds not the XMP profile, compare to the previous lower speed sticks. Use CPU heavy games and you will notice the difference. No doubt lower latency is better, 3200Mhz Ram with CL11 like Jay is talking about would be insane especially if you use Ryzen cpus which benefit even more from the faster ram. But in a scenario where you have pick between slower speed and tighter timings or higher speed and looser timings, the higher frequency is usually better.

[@zlibz4582]

Jayz: Doe ram speed matter? My wallet : Nothing matters at this point

[@kaneki1792]

same

[@rinkyouma2320]

I feel you man. I feel you.

[@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbags]

Trampoukosss My wallet is Yves Saint Laurent from Paris lol

[@gabrielperez3619]

Lmao! This is the best comment in the history of KZbin comments.

[@qNepo]

3200mhz cl16 gskill rgb can clock up to 4000mhz even with hynix die... timings im using are ofc bad but uknow... 19-21-21-42

[@theshadowknows6969]

Should totally do a memory overclocking guide. Then compare results with 3 or 4 titles.

[@BrandonWatkinsBmW13294]

I think a timing video would be very interesting but I would also very much like to know how these kittens is performed on a ryzen base CPU... If my memory serves me correct timing clock speed is more important for the infinity fabric on ryzen bases to cpu's then overall clock speed is.basically how do I get the best bang for my buck out of ryzen. Currently using a 1700 but lookin to maybe upgrade.

[@RaiderOfTheLost]

Go do it yourself instead of demanding it from other people with no respect

[@gohan20]

No offence to Jay, he's great and does create amazing content and it's so great, I sport some of his merch but if you would like RAM timings and overclocking of RAM and all that goodness, then a good shout is buildzoid aka Actually Hardcore Overclocking. He does rant "digress" a LOT and his videos are unedited but he does some amazing work with overclocking, shunt modes, Etc. He also will use LN2 or dry ice and also live streams it at times.

[@get2choppa]

Go watch actually hardcore overclockings channel (buildzoid from gamers nexus)

[@theshadowknows6969]

@Eater. At the end of the video he asked the audience to comment what piece to do on memory next. I meant no disrespect.

[@steveboesch6221]

I'd definitely would be interested in seeing a comparison of RAM timings.

[@salemgiath8150]

I’d like to see also timing vs frequency.. For example 3600mhz CL18 vs 3200 CL16 since they cost very similarly

[@Arvi89]

Me too, I always try to get low timing (without spending too much), but I wonder how it actually affects performance.

[@IndigoDesert6]

LTT has video on "watch this before buying an AMD cpu". tho this only focuses on ryzen platform and not intel. They focused more on the infinity fabric than the timings tho there is a bit of that too. or GN's video "AMD Ryzen 3000 Memory Benchmark & Common RAM Mistakes (fClock, uClock, & mClock)". you could draw conclusion from there that optimized timings can affect performance more than just speed

[@galbraith69]

I'm on board with this one, even for older platforms like ddr3 just to know what can be done, and gained simply by lowering timings!

[@lordeggo]

Speed and Timing are more or less the same result to higher bandwidth and total latency. There's some slight differences regarding higher cycle demands against larger data size but they're mostly interchangeable stats. Technically faster timing resulting in the same bandwidth as higher speed but lower timing would be ideal in majority of situations, esp gaming. Should note though that pound for pound speed usually wins since timing differences are minimal by comparison to speed increases when comparing RAM sticks. In the comparison Salem Giath posted 3600 CL18 Vs 3200 CL16 the true latency is exactly the same at 10ns. By comparison I'm running 3200 CL14 which is 8.75ns If you get some beastly 4000 and trim it down to CL14 then you'd have 7ns.

[@machiii7394]

"your next computer build" *laughs in broke*

[@shanekrauchi2357]

I would love to see your results on tested timings. Finish the trilogy of RAM stats.

[@phillylove7290]

This test was really really really bad. It did not show the lows which is the main benefit from running faster Ram. Also the fastest RAM on the market is 4800 and he only went to 4,000

[@rty44551]

I want to see the 5000 memory tested and then time it down

[@yumri4]

@@rty44551 the only 5000 RAM i can find is DDR5 right now 5000 and 5200 MHz DDR5 RAM. Right now for anything to use DDR5 you have to custom make the board and order the chip to not have a on board RAM controller so you can put the DDR5 RAM controller on to use DDR5. The improvement from DDR3-800 to DDR4-2133 to DDR5-5000 is only a few parts of a second in video recording. It wasn't used for anything but for video recording single board computer. DDR5 is also still super expensive so even the 2GB on board RAM cost 100 USD. Maybe i got ripped off for that price as i only bought 1 chip and they are sold in lots of hundreds not 1 at a time ... yet.

[@peterninefingers]

Please test something like 3000mhz 15-15-x-y timings ram vs 3600mjz 18-18-x-y ram and see if there is any difference. It shouldnt in theory.

[@viper4060]

I would also like to see Quake Champions with this

[@RukhWhitefang]

I would love to see a video series on ram overclocking and tutorials.

[@sekazi]

Same. I have dabbled in it but when I mess with it on my motherboard it messes with my CPU clock.

[@I_NeedCoffee]

I usually don't do much overclocking. I don't want to risk damaging my hardware. I am curious how far you can overclock the RAM though. What are pros, cons and limits?

[@FinnishArmy]

Pastry Bear There really is no inherit risk. All PC components will auto shut off if they aren’t capable of doing an overclock. GPU will crash and shut off the driver, forcing a restart which resets the overclock, CPU will either just not boot and force you too pull back or auto shut off due to overheating, and RAM will either not boot or give you a blue screen. There is no risks these days, unless you put 5 volts into your CPU.

[@mastrtyle]

Yes to ram timing testing I’d also like to see a tutorial on ram overclocking and trimming down the ram timings, tips on how far you can push them and how to check for stability

[@rcolavito1234]

I'd like to see AMD vs Intel at different ram speeds

[@FioJuices]

Came here to say the same thing considering amd is known to perform better with faster ram speeds because of it's architecture as opposed to intel.

[@FioJuices]

Did I miss the part where he mentions the CPU in the test bench?

[@RaiderOfTheLost]

You have no brain if you are asking that

[@SpawnViper4]

This right here! We need more comments to boost this response.

[@1967KID]

I made a new 3600x g skill flare x 3200hz cl14 b die 2x8 16gb memory 14 14 14 14 32 t1 1.35v , 16 16 16 16 34 t1 oc 1900mhz 3800mhz 1.40v gtx 1070 i did not notice nothing it's the same scores the 1070 is the bottle neck Asus vg279q 144mhz 1ms 1080p ips monitor. My opinion 3200mhz cl14 b die 2x8 16gb 1.35v keep it simple no need to oc .

[@vaeloreonari7516]

Timings testing is a yes for me. I've discovered that OC timings and 24/7 timings are two different beasts.

[@shunyaatma]

Yeah, there's no mention of 24/7 stability here. There are games like BFV which are sensitive to memory stability.

[@NeverlandSystemZor]

Love his "bird flapping" and chair spinning in the bg of the slides! LOL Glad it's still there. Makes me laugh every time!

[@killerm12]

Does RAM speed even matter? Short answer: Yes Long answer: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[@yumri4]

For speed that really only matter after you have enough system RAM. After you have enough system RAM then yes speed matters but having enough is almost always not an issue for almost every consumer user now-a-days. So yes for most people speed than CAS than amount is the order they look instead of amount then speed then CAS . For the users that it is an issue they will know due to an error message telling them but most error messages for not having enough system RAM are no longer a thing outside of live recording. As that one will tell you while the others will not.

[@yumri4]

@rom_kohai I am not good at getting internet jokes . I am sorry.

[@-_Nuke_-]

The oldest joke on the book! Never gets old :D

[@duckychan6100]

so what your saying is i should download more ram now ? o3o

[@courtney5796]

EVEN sober, most (like 99%) will not notice a 141 to 131 fps drop........

[@emironurlular]

JTC: What's up guys JayzTwoCents here Subtitles: what's up guys Jays $0.02 here

[@cactis4050]

yup

[@Gangy10]

2¢

[@GlycerinZ]

Saw that too haha

[@trev6783]

I'd love to see Timing vs Clock speed. Typically ram timings can be made faster if you decrease the clock speeds. I'd be interested in like: cas 15 @ 2800 vs cas 18 @ 3200, etc etc. Like what gives better gaming performance, is raw speed better or faster timings, and is there a sweet spot. I imagine that most of these ram manufacturers have tested this out and this is why cas 16 @ 3200 seems to be were a lot of them are putting their eggs currently. I remember as a late teen when ddr first launched in the athlon xp era, I was somewhat intrigued by ram timings and went with this new company called corsair(:P) and their cas 2 ddr.. and In synthetics it was way above everything I'd seen to that point. I guess ram timings are still an interest of mine and how timing/clock speed effects performance.

[@djhixson88]

Definitely would like to see a overclocking/timings guide

[@TonyStark-pi3vc]

Just noticed you hit 2M subs. Congrats Jay!!! Been a loyal fan for years :)

[@jadonlee821]

Ooof

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

Don't worry I haven't noticed either I am more focused on the content and binge everything in the weekend I am an OG viewer too

[@apocalypseap]

What you could do: -Find the lowest stable timings you can run at 2133, 2666, 3000, 3200, 3600, 3866. Don't keep them at the same timings because lower speed memory has lower CAS timings.

[@davecarsley8773]

@@KazumiNema There is no user choice. You are correct that as speed goes up, so does CAS latency.

[@SqwashYT]

i would love to lesrn more about timings.

[@Q8productions]

yeah tbh i know nothing about them , really wanna get deeper into it now since i got the basics down all from jay xD

[@anub1s15]

definetly, i've mostly ignored it over the years but recently dabbled with my temp ram (cause good stuff was sold out due to zen 2) and my final ram which was a miss buy (20 bucks more would have gotten me samsung b-die instead of hynix M-die) and on my temp ram which turned out to be micron e-die based it was quite succesfull, didn't push it hard but was able to tighten timings a bit (not knowing what i'm doing but following what ryzen dram calculator tossed out). but this hynix m-die is a pain, i've not even been able to set it up to try and lower timings, anything i manually set on it requires a cmos clearing or even flashing a old bios over the new bios and then re-flashing the new bios over the old one to get my pc working again >< granted it's higher speed and tighter timings then my temp ram was able but if there's more in there i'd like to figure out how to get it out of there :P

[@mbahmarijan789]

I want to learn about safe fapping

[@woky]

J M have u heard of google ?

[@SqwashYT]

issa L i appreciate you being a jerk and if jay makes a video about it then yes it will come up in a google search.

[@Celician83]

Getting to understand what the timings do would be great. Back in my days, (probably as old as Jay) we didnt have all these timings to sort through, and makes it difficult to know "should I be going higher or lower on this"

[@Plague_Doc22]

Tell me about it. I got a new gaming RIG (pre built with my selection of parts) and what I found really strange is how they didn't set my ram to 3200 as it was what I bought. They literally didnt do the OC on it to 3200. So they ship a product that isn't what it is advertised to do. Kinda strange for them not to inform you of that before hand or just do it themselfs. Luckily I know a thing or two about PC's so I just set it manually.

[@CaptTerrific]

My first enthusiast build was 2005, and we definitely tweaked our RAM timings! Paid a pretty penny to get CAS 2 memory back then :) The CAS on my Rambus P4 was horrendous, but then again, so was the entire Willamette ecosystem :D

[@Celician83]

@@CaptTerrific back in 2005, you had to pay a huge premium to get access to alot of the sub timings, AKA buy a Intel computer for around $1000 to $1500. I mainly stuck to building mid-range AMD builds, which were overclock able, but generally locked down memory timings a great deal, due to less than spectacular VRM designs.

[@CaptTerrific]

@@Celician83 Mine was an X2 4400+, definitely not cheap though... we're fortunate to live in a modern age where all but the most budget motherboards now allow for all the adjustments one could want :D

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

@@Plague_Doc22 go into bios and set the xmp profile on you should be fine I understand your specific PC was not given the love it needed to perform as advertised

[@youtoob1234567]

Memory speed matters but not as much as the fact that Epstein didn't kill himself.

[@bridgenorton537]

Yeah the rope killed him

[@youtoob1234567]

You're correct. The rope which was in the hands of a highly trained assassin.

[@avopeac6300]

@@youtoob1234567 but Epstein's hands were on it too so who is the real culprit here?

[@PatrickSmith-zg9xl]

We need stricter laws for purchasing and owning ropes now. (or bed sheets in this case).

[@dddffffffddffffdfdddd8816]

@@waterandsteel4713 r/woosh

[@nunbran]

would really like a video on memory timings

[@MotokenUchia]

AMD vs Intel Ram speed. Have heard AMD benefits more from mem speed

[@tiborvarga5391]

LTT has it done already

[@andreewert6576]

Depends on the generation. Zen and Zen+ love memory speed because the cores talk to each other at the clock the memory runs at. In Zen2 that's not the case, but that gen likes the memory to run at the same clock the fabric runs at, or you incur some latencies. On Zen2, the larger caches also help it bne less memory-dependant, like intel is. Best bang-for-the-buck and also compatibility is: Zen 1st gen - 3000MHz; Ryzen 2xxx - 3200MHz; current 3xxx - 3600MHz. Because Zen loves memory speeds but also often can't handle cheap memory at really high speeds. That said, you can always buy 3200 CL14 and run it at 3000 CL12-13 or 3600 CL16-17. RAM is like an unlocked CPU.

[@juzujuzu4555]

With Zen 2 you need to use Ryzen DRAM calculator and manually tune your timings as low as possible. It has huge effects on Zen 2. The best frequency would be the highest that the infinity fabric will run, usually 3800mhz, but anything from 3200 above is great. Timings are actually more important on many titles. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYDUmayMg7Wbl68

[@mvhdsk1122]

@@andreewert6576 Can totally support this, I bought 3.200 CL14 for my 3700X and now run it at 3.666 CL 16-16-16-32. Improved the reads/writes according to Aida64 Mem Benchmarks by about 15-17%!

[@Nobody98456]

Short answer: Yes, little bit. Sweet spot 3200mh

[@farguc]

Ty

[@Kaauut]

I currently have 3000 thinking about upgrading to 4000 just to squeeze a few extra frames in 4k/2k. Not overly budget conscious. Thoughts?

[@rad1ata]

@Source Dasher 2k is another way to say 1440p buddy

[@rad1ata]

@Source Dasher someone's a little bit of a hothead huh

[@adelarscheidt]

Jesus dude, go for a camping trip with a loved one or something

[@tyraelhermosa]

Love this content on RAM. I’m downloading more as I type this! 😃

[@crisscrossam]

"We're gonna be talking about RAM speed, not to be confused with Rammstein" The intro should've been a song from them

[@not_a_samsquamsh6777]

Too bad he mispronounced Rammstein

[@crisscrossam]

@@not_a_samsquamsh6777 i think he pronounced it right?

[@9mmSurpressor]

Chris A.M. and a copyright strike

[@needsLITHIUM]

I liked the punny joke. It gave me a... a Neue Deutsche Härte on...

[@kemalnottaturk2500]

Chris A.M. no. Ramones.

[@mkiss73]

I would like to see a comparison of dual-channel vs. quad-channel memory on Intel's hedt platform. Same speed, latency, timings, and number of ranks. I guess it only makes sense if you can use the bios to configure the memory subsystem to do dual-channel. Interested mostly in gaming benchmarks for each config, but would be interested in any other tests or benchmarks.

[@williamfox02]

I’d like to get a good explanation video about ram times and stuff.

[@jogeem5480]

Gamers nexus has one and I'd say that's beyond jay's knowledge

[@TheMrZeppo80]

I think you need a computer scientist to explain that tbh

[@hquest]

Rammstein has fascinated me more often than Ram speeds lately.

[@Ksuxxxa]

Look up Mein herz brent piano

[@BigHalfSteps]

@@Ksuxxxa Look up Lindemann (Songs like 'Fish On', 'Praise Abort' or 'Steh auf'). That's the singer of Rammstein with singer/componist of the band Pain and the band Hypocrisy.

[@JonnyD3ath]

Ricky Kneebone just did, pretty cool and creepy lol

[@ZeroAlpha1173]

Yes

[@Kondratko]

Please do a tutorial on how to overclock your memory speed and timing. What the process is, what to look for, what to expect. What failures are caused by.

[@deardoue69]

its not worth it, trust me.

[@jasonblankenship4418]

I love the Rammstein shout out. Du. Du hast. Du hast ram.

[@ShinIkari]

@@Miles300s the lyrics go: du hast mich gefragt und ich hab nichts gesagt. No literal hate in the song ;)

[@Miles300s]

@@ShinIkari Ah, thank you. I realize now I had them backwards when I commented, so you were originally correct. I've taken two years of German, but it's been a few years

[@PhreakDarkSoul]

@@ShinIkari It is hate but just it turns into something else later and yes, I am from Germany. The lyrics is playing with german language.

[@smol9853]

du hast = you have du hasst = you hate

[@PhreakDarkSoul]

@@smol9853 That is right but it is not possible to HEAR the difference until the line continues with "gefragt". Until this point it sounds like "You! You hate! You hate me!". The meaning changes after "You asked me...".

[@h0b05c4t]

Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt!

[@anusmcgee4150]

Excuse me, sir? I have a question. Willst du bis der Tod uns scheidet, Treue sein für alle Tage?

[@norielleyienne2086]

hey no need to start another world war geez

[@lsb2623]

Bück Dich

[@menhirmike]

No, this video is about Ramspeed, not Rammstein.

[@debaronAZK]

Nein

[@NinerowCenter]

Big Question: XMP on vs off vs manual oc vs "MSI memory try it!"

[@JaronActual]

It's not an either/or decision between those. MSI's "Try It!" is basically an enhanced POST for the RAM modules at a given setting. If the test fails, it immediately resets the RAM to its previous configuration. It's a good tool to experiment, since it only resets the RAM instead of needing to clear the entire CMOS. But just because it's stable enough to boot doesn't mean it's stable under heavy load. XMP is just the manufacture's guaranteed stable OC setting, like a factory OC'd GPU, which has a lot to do with how the modules were binned. However, the XMP also factors in lower quality mboards and IMCs in the CPU. Think of it as the manufacturer saying, "Even on mediocre boards and CPUs, the RAM will be stable at these timings." When paired with better components, you can usually take RAM at least a few clicks past its XMP without any risk of instability. So yes, maximum performance only comes from full manual OC, but the performance increase you'll see over XMP will vary based on what games you play and what software you run.

[@s.f.2480]

I want to use the speed of my ram but my bios won't let me use any higher than 2133 MHz. I have Ryzen 4 3400g with 16GB ram 8x2 3000 MHz and Asus Tuf B450m pro gaming.

[@davecarsley8773]

@@s.f.2480 Have you enabled the XMP profile in your bios?

[@s.f.2480]

@@davecarsley8773 I do not have XMP. They say Xmp and Docp are just the same. I enabled the Docp but again, it just goes to safe mode after that. I read that placing the ram in the 2nd and 4th slot can solve the problem but I don't know if it's true.

[@channelmen]

Memory timings has always been the hardest thing to OC, so much so I've given up on them and just keep them stoke these days. I'd like to see some numbers on them please, let me know what I'm missing out on!

[@soinelle85]

Setting my systems XMP on to run my ram at 2400mhz that this GSkill model F4-2400C15D-16GTZRX is suppose to run at boot loops. It only boots at 2133 with XMP off.

[@A.Froster]

@@soinelle85 Wtf thats so low

[@JimBob1937]

@@soinelle85, unfortunately XMP only allows the RAM vendor to specify primary timings. So if your XMP profile fails, it is likely because your motherboard is doing a poor job of running through alternative potentially stable sub timings. You can probably run at XMP, but you'll need to dig into the sub timings and find which ones are causing your issue and loosen them.

[@illyont]

@soinelle85, I would boot with 2133 and check what sub timings your motherboard have set. Then try setting those manually alongside the 2400MHz frequency. See if you are able to boot. The added frequency would of course make the timings a tiny bit faster than they used to be at the slower 2133, but you might be fine anyway. It could simply be a QVL issue with your exact motherboard. Updating your BIOS could also be worth a try, if you aren't already running the most recent version.

[@phillylove7290]

Memory overclocking is so hard because it doesn't fail out right but creates a lot of weird problems.

[@Hares1]

I need more infomation about timings cause i dont know how important timings are

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

Haha

[@Xerpadon]

Basically like this... The faster the response time is from Ram the faster your Cpu and Gpu receive it and the faster they can send that data back out. So the tighter the timings (The lower the Cas latency) "the responsiveness" the amount of nanoseconds its takes to read and write data in and out of ram. the higher the frequency (2133mhz -> 4133mhz) the amount of Data. example: 30 gb/s ~ 50 gb/s The better the overall system performance is, because your cpu and gpu need to wait less time (in nanoseconds) to get the data in. Key being here.. Response time, Jay did the opposite of that.. and only increased the Mhz (frequency) so the data rate but didn't adjust the timings thus the FSB:Dram ratio shifts thus the Latency increases thus in turn slows the reading and writing of data process and that means barely to no difference unless a game engine is designed upon that like Jayz showed in this video. in other words, jay made a video about frequency of the ram if it increases system performances. without adjusting the timings of the ram. which the answer is Barely to none. While if he made a video about Ram timings the answer would be Yes.

[@potatofieldsforever4089]

Ideally, the cpu wants the data in its caches/registers before it needs it. That's the kind of timing we want.

[@papasmurf5598]

Fast forward to 2021 and your using a kit of DDR4 5,100 MHz on an Asus Z590 Mobo with a 11900K CPU. Stock memory speed right out of the box using XMP. No overclock. No Tweeking on anything else and used the Bios Optimization setting to let the Mobo and the CPU optimize itself to accommodate this high speed Ram Kit. The results were as it should be, high speed memory makes a huge difference in performance. Jay then tested lower speed ram 3,200mhz vs 3,600vs 4,000 etc etc. The results were that higher speed memory gives you better gains in Multitasking and in Gaming (FPS). The better high end Motherboard and CPU you have the higher speed ram you can run the better performance your gonna get. It’s now April of 2021 and there coming out with DDR5 really soon with 12th gen CPUs and it’s going to get really fast.

[@d3n1s93]

5:17 I was looking at the scores and then i realized what jay is doing at the background XD

[@wurthmannd024]

Pretty bird 😂

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

I couldn't pay attention to the scores because of that lol

[@schekelberg6187]

I did not realize it, because my screenbrightness was so dark, you wonder why i use my phone to browsing on KZbin is pretty simple. And sad: the resolution is higher, but the screen is smaller too, so i have much higher ppi,

[@jacobwebb8818]

@@schekelberg6187 don't remember asking

[@Texshy]

I'm still rocking DDR3 ram ^^;

[@tsdobbi]

@NeuroMuscular I had an i7 920 build with triple channel. Was lagging on some newer games, bought a 580GTX (upgraded from my 9800GT) There was literally 0 difference. Couple years later I built a 4770k based system. It unlocked the video cards potential to say the least.

[@loplop019]

1600mhZ gang

[@sashen6678]

4790K with 32GB DDR3 @ 2400mhz here- still going strong...

[@vsarple]

DDR 1/2(HALF) I AM BETTER THAN U BITCHES FLAUNTING UR POOR SHIT

[@myceliummobb]

Ew

[@TheYear2525]

That was the best "sch" sound in "Rammstein" I've ever heard from a native english speaker. I'm so proud of you *wipes single tear away*.

[@Pommezul]

*Jay's sprachgefühl intensifies*

[@scott7410]

Deez Nüssen auf deinem Kinn

[@zerosity717]

I've gotten a few more fps going through advanced timings lately. I'd love to see a video on timings.

[@skyhop]

Do HEDT with quad channel vs dual channel in gaming, same games you already did.

[@rdmz135]

4 dimms wins against 2 dimms even on dual channel platforms due to rank interleaving. Assuming they run at the same timings and data rates.

[@skyhop]

The amount that rank interleaving helps is very very small. You can run dual rank dimms as it is. Running 4x dual rank dimms would be a hell of a load on the memory controller so I doubt you could achieve that much higher of performance, especially not for gaming related stuff.

[@SemperFortisUSN]

those have been thoroughly tested. quad channel doesn't benefit gaming at all, the fps are the same between quad and dual channel. Hell, even dual channel benefits gaming very little.

[@rdmz135]

@@SemperFortisUSN Dual channel makes little difference? You have to be a troll, or just completely misinformed.

[@SemperFortisUSN]

@@iStrong113 I don't know what Jay did but every other test including my own says otherwise. Check out the article by Gamers Nexus. Bug difference in synthetic benchmarks but little in real life.

[@fusdorah666]

human eye can only see 3200 mhz ram speed

[@__lifeline__]

Was the tests done with ryzen or intel cpu’s, because that could make a difference considering ryzen can still be memory hungry

[@Cosmitzian]

Ryzen is a whole can of worms with the Infinity Mesh. In that case, it can be beneficial to actually run lower speeds.

[@M0nsterRipper]

I imagine Jay behind the camera : * watch tells him to breath * JAY : what do you know about breathing, YoU ARe JUsT A wAtCh ... *StUpit* ...

[@willlokeer5469]

Please do a video on timing adjustments, would love to learn how to get the most out of what I've got instead of just going with upgrade every 9-12 months. This RAM "series" has been very interesting and informative! Keep up the great vids! Also, thanks Phil for your random video edit/inserts, those make my day seeing them!

[@leny1338]

I use my Corsair memory at 3200mhz but every time I tried tweaking the timings I failed, so a tutorial would probably be usefull!

[@cehaem2]

There´s plenty of resources on the internet. Check the overclockers forums for instance. But it all boils down to small increments and testing - testing - testing.

[@leny1338]

@@cehaem2 I followed some tutorials using RTC and Typhoon but couldn't get ram stable even with the safe preset, and on the other hand I would like to know if it# mandatory to change aaaall the listed timings or just the main ones.

[@cehaem2]

@@leny1338 Your mo bo also plays a crucial role here. And a mem reader won´t tell you anything about that. Which means, you need to start fiddling with all of them. It´s try and error, pretty much. By safe preset - do you mean XMP?

[@leny1338]

@@cehaem2 I mean the safe preset that Ryzen Timing Calculator gives you. My mb isn't the best, gigabyte ab350 gaming 3. I guess I could keep trying and messing with the numbers till it works, but that's a job for future me, when he finds time for that haha.

[@cehaem2]

@@leny1338 Yeah, never change a running system. I had insane issues with OCing my Vengeance LPX 3000 MhZ on my Carbon Pro mobo. Initially even XMP wouldn´t run and send me into a boot loop until i did a BIOS update and purged CMOS. The beautiful thing about OCing today, is - you´re not messing with jumpers etc, just point and click, haha.

[@strouda56]

I'd like to see the same tests done with AMD vs Intel, since AMD's speeds are more memory dependent than Intel's. Not only that, but the Infinity Fabric is super sensitive to RAM as well, not to mention the Infinity Fabric clock and multiplier.

[@resresres1]

I don't understand how jayz being a tech KZbinr did not even talk about the differences in performance you'll get with RAM depending on if ur using AMD or Intel CPU..... He didn't even mention which CPU he did his tests with..... Highly disappointed.

[@resColts]

Would love to see 1% low I've seen games like Wildlands have same avg from 3200-4000mhz but low fps is 20fps higher on 4000mhz that makes huge difference for high refresh rate gaming.

[@blklion100]

I would like a tutorial on how to adjust the RAM timings when overclocking. I feel like I'm leaving some performance gains on the table by not being completely comfortable with trying that.

[@wm45]

@Mike AndersonI need to look them up.

[@copyorange]

@Mike Anderson Thanks, Champ!

[@Blaze6108]

Me too! I have really old RAM (ddr3) from an ancient prebuilt in my system, I'm wondering if I could squeeze some more performance out of my CPU with some tweaking before I have to get a new CPU+board.

[@blklion100]

@ it's not just about hitting the bios, but understanding what the settings mean. And knowing what constitutes a tight timing versus a loose one

[@banana_junior_9000]

Yeah, I'm now willing to fiddle with it now that RAM pricing has dropped.

[@onepiecepedia]

YES PLEASE!! I've been looking for a video explaining RAM timing! I've got a dual Trident Z 2x8Gb 3200 CL16 and always wanted to know how far could i push the timing! :)

[@freeman2399]

Same!

[@rastaroor24]

I think a ram timings/OC tutorial would be sweet. That’s something I always wanted to dabble in

[@aphex2056]

Just add a spoiler to your case and you're set.

[@almostsapien]

Don't forget the fart cannon and racing stripes.

[@KChicken]

You should do a video on how memory speeds affect Ryzen performance

[@jogeem5480]

Hardware unboxed did a good video on that

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

Linus did one but I isn't the best way to learn I liked the hardware unboxed one too

[@jogeem5480]

@@tanmaypanadi1414 yeah I mostly watch linus just for entertainment. The test they did on cpu heat output made them loon too dumb for serious content :D

[@louiepaderon344]

Gamer nexus already did that and the sweet spot I believe is 3800.

[@Sothrasil]

@@louiepaderon344 it's 3600, so you can put the Infinity Fabric into coupled mode (which runs at up to 1800). If you can overclock the IF, you can go higher with the ram speed as well (just x2 because DDR = Double Data Rate)

[@TurbineResearch]

I have spent 225$ on 16gb b-die 3600/14 and 60$ on 16gb run of the mill 3000/16 and when the FPS overlay is off you can’t tell anything is different. IMHO cheap mid speed ram is where it’s at. I don’t care about 5fps for 80 bucks more or whatever it is to get “nice” ram. Put the money onto a graphics card or cpu and get good quality basic ram 🤷‍♀️

[@Stephenson1055]

Could not concentrate on the analytics screens with Jay flapping in the background.

[@stoneymahoney9106]

"Blender might have showed a bit of a difference" - I've done that test already myself, it doesn't care.

[@dangdiggity9916]

Would love a video on how DDR3 is holding up :p especially cuz of the speed difference

[@LemoneTheGreat]

Ulf Nope my pc I had up until last year was 8gb DDR3. 2400mhz if I remember... worked fine. Played ark at mostly max everything. 1060 6GB Graphics card.

[@dangdiggity9916]

@@LemoneTheGreat ye im still on ddr3 (32g) tho only at 1866. not like i cant run anything, doesnt mean it couldnt run better :p

[@AceCmbatguy25]

@@dangdiggity9916 Same ! 32gb of DDR3L 1866mhz ram with i5-6500 & 1060 6gb and it runs games more or less well between 1080p & 1440p and I do after effects stuff on it also ! Still want to upgrade cpu/mb/ram to get more longevity out of my system as I use it as a work station and very little for gaming now a days.

[@KanekiBhaiya]

The only thing I see when the results are shown is Jay flapping in the background 😂 (again)

[@BrentTravelz]

Anmol Srivastava I came to the comments just for this comment

[@jynxui1943]

they should have played the "i believe i can fly" song in there.

[@charlie22911]

Seeing these tests repeated on a quad channel setup would be great. Dual vs Quad channel would be very interesting.

[@JJ_ExMachina]

So my take away from this... More games need to use the Vulkan API ? :P

[@Kirinketsu_]

Games that might be good for testing based on how hard they impact system performance. World of Tanks: even without mods this game can hammer your system. and once you start installing mods RIP. Star Citizen: will use 6GB to 8GB of RAM and in cities or if you can find a large group of AI / human testers it will load the CPU and RAM Star Wars Battlefront II: recommends 16GB of RAM and has some large scale battle with a lot of NPCs and players. Ark Survival Evolved: seems to be heavy on CPU and RAM you can also spawn in many for testing. Minecraft: You can spawn in a lot of NPCs or you could download a map with 10,000 to 100,000 TnT. Skyrim: spawning in a lot of items or using some mods known for crippling PCs, Oblivion would work. Grand Theft Auto V: spawning in a ton of NPCs or vehicles Batman: Arkham Knight: Devs have recommended 12GB of RAM for the game to run "smoothly." Quantum Break: recommends 16GB of RAM Just Cause 3: There are post of people complaining they had to upgrade to 16GB of RAM to play.

[@Seaker35]

MAKE A DISCORD PLZ IT WOULD HELP PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT ARE NEW TO PC GAMING

[@renderedpixels4300]

Theres legit the PCMR server and the LTT server, pcmr is a bit toxic but both are helpful nonetheless. and those are only the huge ones. theres tons more smaller ones that are probably a lot less toxic

[@Seaker35]

Rendered Pixels I’m on those but people there are spoiled little kids

[@MADagain]

I don't know how you see these increases I'm barely seeing an increase of 2-5 fps with an 8700k or 11900k...

[@qufeng49]

Who saw Jay dancing like a 🐦 in the background?😂

[@MindFlayeR57]

I was like "jay are you ok, do you need any help"

[@protator]

I just binge watched MLP. I'm immune to flapping motions now.

[@MM-uc6nh]

#Micheal Jackson

[@MarkGrech79]

Can you post on how to overclock ram? Or how to change timings? Just bough a set of Corsair 3200mhz 14 latency 16gb dual channel ... would love to optimize it for my ryzen 7 3800x

[@cehaem2]

Since you seem to have little to no knowledge - just leave it. The speed gains are marginal. Otherwise - go into your BIOS, increase speed, test, test, test until it starts getting unstable, then increase DRAM voltage by 0.005v, test extensively, maybe go up with CPU VCCIO and System Agent by 0.05v and test again. But don´t blame anyone of you fry your DRAM. if you get stuck, you will have to reset CMOS (take out the battery). It will take some time. A lot, actually, if your want to go for the optimal result.

[@CommandoMaster]

Its not a significant difference as long as its 3200mhz ram ur already have the fastest ram necessary.

[@cehaem2]

@@CommandoMaster The currentz fastest RAM kit for home users gives you 5000 Mhz.

[@ghostrider2214]

@@cehaem2 read what he said again. "fastest ram *NECESSARY* "

[@astro143_]

I would love a video on changing timings, especially on ryzen 3, how does the mystical 3600 speed with slower timing compare against a slower speed with tighter timings? Also on the subject, which CPU was used in this video? (and part 1 with capacity?)

[@In2investing]

TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, This is all testing on INTEL not AMD!!!

[@SianaGearz]

There have been plenty of AMD tests done by somebody else, i don't remember whether it was GamersNexus or Hardware Unboxed. And they weren't so boneheaded if memory serves? Need to double check. What i mean by boneheaded... he's running the memory at CL18 timings. But 2400MHz ram is usually timed at CL16 or so! 2133Mhz is usually CL15. So he's creating artificial RAM that is so slow in its latency response, it doesn't actually exist. This is because most memory chips have about the same latency response in terms of nanoseconds rather than clock cycles, very similar, regardless of what clock speed you program them to run at - which is also why there is no longer a large artificial gap in RAM prices between clock speeds, but he has all latencies set to the same number of clock cycles. And then he's concluding that it's actually slower... well no bloody shit Sherlock! Nooo shit.

[@pino_de_vogel]

Worst 2400mhz is cl17 2666 is is availeble in cl19. So idealy he should have tested cl17. But i dont think it would have changed much. He can test different cl ratings like 15,16,17,18,20 at fixed mhz like 3200, 3600 and 4000 mhz next. Then you get a full picture.

[@TheKillerZmile]

Amd makes the most frame rate upgrade so yea buy the fastest ram speed for ryzen

[@pino_de_vogel]

Intel has huge gains aswell. Plenty of videos of the 9900k or 8700k and ram tests out there. I generaly use my cpu for a longer time so i go for that extra ram as it helps me get more out of my next gpu in the future. Fast ram costs more but its wel worth it for my last and current intel build. The gains are insane in some games.

[@Lost_Souls_Gaming]

​@@TheKillerZmile and good luck with getting the system stable. ;) Yeah, it might runs fastest with a fast ram, but there will be trouble with MEMORY_MANAGEMENT errors. I had myself a Ryzen 7 2700X with 3600 RAM (which is compatible with the Gigabyte X370 Gaming K7) and still a lot of crashes. Turned it down to 3200 Mhz the crashes became less but still every hour one MEMORY_MANAGEMENT or CLOCK_WATCHDOGS_TIMEOUT. Only at 2933 Mhz, the system became stable, so tell me again fast ram is the best for Ryzen.

[@shanestonn]

deticated wam

[@overweightowl2295]

To server?

[@gary0073]

Ok so my motherboard runs better with one 16g of ram than with two 8g. Now try ro make sence of that.

[@Chaosdude341]

Memory timings guide with benchmarks for 2019, please! That'd be great to learn about. Memory is quickly becoming one of my favorite parts of the PC to explore/understand.

[@djricks9494]

Ram overclocking and timings would like to see a video on that

[@TheHardwareguide]

My rig sports 32 MB of ram a 266 MMX intel chip and a 756 MB Hard Drive. I've just upgraded my optical from 1x to 2x CD drive. I am running win95 with that TCP/IP stack patch in order to connect to the intrawebs via my Zoom PSTN V.92 serial modem. My S3 Virge card is a special 4 MB edition (the fast one, not the 2 MB piece of crap).

[@broodjekaas820]

Nobody: first 5 comments: 'I would love to..'

[@bobcoco6047]

You lie , Nobody said something!

[@apocalypseap]

Nobody: I am somebody!

[@Leif_0]

that was the best background video (while showing the results) I ever seen ahahaha Love IT !

[@nelrick]

But what CPU were you guys using while testing the ram speed.

[@RnRollie]

@walentaz ryzen mem controller can be brought to tears when using all 4 ram slots with DR mem stix eg 4x 'cheap' 8/16 gb ram sicks. at hihgh speeds you def want to go Single Rank chips (mostly B-die)

[@asdhakjd]

I'd love to see a basic memory OC guide.

[@thebeebeescryptomining4422]

TY for the Rammstein reference... Reminded me of some decent music

[@almostsapien]

Reise reise

[@Plague_Doc22]

Literally the worst band of all time. All songs sounds the same lmfao

[@juiicer]

@@Plague_Doc22 Agreed. Literal junk.

[@fleckx]

@@Plague_Doc22 well, you're an idiot.

[@dubetawan]

@@Plague_Doc22 Bet you can't name a better band?

[@lansiman]

do a video on best timing vs best frequency achievable on a one set of sticks,is it better to clock a stick at 4000mhz @CL19 or 3000mhz@CL11 for example

[@TheDanteSkyheart]

I've always wondered how important timings were because sometimes you'll see the same clock frequency with different timings on the same brand of RAM

[@illyont]

That could be the same chips, but different binning. Or actually different memory chips even though the product seems to be the same. TridentZ 3600MHz 4x8GB with 16-16-16-36 vs TridentZ 3600MHz 4x8GB with 16-19-19-39 or something. The first kit is Samsung B-die chips, while the second kit is Hynix memory chips. "Same" product, but completely different chips used. The price difference on those two kits are usually pretty large because the B-die chips are alot more expensive to buy compared to the Hynix CJR. For regular use you will probably not notice any difference.

[@Fgtfv567]

I've never seen any videos talking about ram timings and cas latency, so an explanation at least would be very helpful

[@rkdheewon]

Timing vid AND dual vs quad RAM... and triple? Dual + single channel... as if someone upgraded their RAM by adding RAM

[@zahidsardar1066]

Hey Jay, How about looking at triple/quad channel memory systems. Sure, memory timings versus fps for those games would be interesting also. Z

[@shawnleist8999]

Most mobos do t support triple or quadruple channel memory

[@gtifury310]

A how to on timing and what they all do would be amazing.

[@dscarmo]

I think Gamer Nexus has a piece on that (very deep dive as always). But i would like something in JayZ style, straight to the point and in simple terms

[@gtifury310]

@@dscarmo same. I like watching Steve, but sometimes he can put me to sleep lol.

[@mkatakm]

I like videos with interesting subjects. But this one speaks too much and says little. This could easily be a 10 minute video.

[@ozreshef5182]

It's hard to focus at the result when Jay flying at the background XD

[@DeviDaylight]

Nah just re watch give him more Views.

[@dylanpauling5983]

i would like to see something on RAM timings

[@rmcgrevey]

You always say average FPS doesn't tell the whole story. Where are the 1% and 0.1% lows to show how much the faster ram increased that?

[@THYMY_PAVLOVAS]

Top 5 of the shelf ram modules 2019

[@kingchirpa]

Makes me feel happy with the 3000mhz ram I bought last year

[@joshjenks3715]

Well another thing to consider is if you have intel vs amd bc with amd the faster the memory, the faster the infinity fabric clock which has been found to have the same if not more affect on fps as ram speed

[@JoseAlfonsoChavez]

8:06 .. "It looks like 3200 is the sweet spot.." *Me, being poor, watching this on a computer with 2133 speed ram.. insert wojak/feelsguy.jpg

[@Pommezul]

My PC RAM is running at 666MHz ;-;

[@mazshu]

Me watching with a ram with 1333 speed. LMAO

[@banban5568]

2133 mhz is still good but anything above 3000mhz will always be better, snappier and faster.

[@schmidth]

Watching this with my 3200 RAM, pretty comfy.

[@SultanOfSloths]

@@Pommezul DDR3 RAM or newer doesn't run at 666MHz. If you're looking at the frequency through software typically it shows you half your actual speeds, as DDR stands for 'DOUBLE Data Rate', so e.g. I have DDR4-3200 RAM but in HWinfo64 it shows my RAM running at 1600MHz max. You probably have 1333MHz or 1600MHz DDR3 RAM which is pretty common, although to get anything higher than 1333MHz you have to enable XMP in the BIOS and if you don't it will default to 1333MHz. Could pop the side panel of your case off and look at the sticker on the RAM if you don't know or forgot what speed you have in your system.

[@aeromagnus6473]

"Doom will run on anything" LOL not true :( I could only get like 7 fps out of my amd A8 APU laptop with 8gb of DDR3 dual channel

[@aravindr4986]

My PC can't run metro exodus at 720p low setting.

[@aeromagnus6473]

@@aravindr4986 are you trying to 1 up me? I literally crash with metro 2033

[@meddlin]

12:36 Read The "Free" Manual ;)

[@BareSphereMass]

I would like to see how timings affect things

[@9mmSurpressor]

I would kill to have the original footage that’s in the background of the results

[@AnujFalcon]

I am going broke over my build. Damn!

[@cardbored_]

That hair on your shirt was giving me serious OCD.

[@altus8312]

Gee thanks now me too

[@Justin-ee3im]

I'd love a guide about timings and the best way to get the optimal settings for any given kit/set of ram

[@crazyrussianbot8012]

3600MT/s is the sweetspot, not 3200 and of course not 4000

[@freddybigs10]

I swear that sounded like someone actually farted on a mic.

[@archetiip]

Phil really takes his job seriously