This could have ended very badly!

[@C0manso]

As 99th place in your video I have suggestions: HT off boosts score in PR specifically, I repasted my card because the stock paste on the suprim liquid X sucked at least on mine, make sure ECC is off, use a stripped windows 10. Feel free to flash over 600w bioses aswell, the cable is specced for 600w but in reality it can do a lot more than this, especially since it's such a short duration it won't have time to heat up (assuming it's seated correctly). You can also force rebar on for PR via Nvidia inspector for more score. Hope this helps :)

[@Ignean]

replying so this gets more attention hopefully. That's some great advice!

[@RyTrapp0]

ROUND 2!

[@mertaydemir7898]

if he gonna use windows 10 it will help a lot o think

[@twanheijkoop6753]

​@@mertaydemir7898stripped win 11 vs stripped win 10 doesn't really matter. But I'm guessing there is at least 100 to 150 points to be had with a good windows

[@zappulla4092]

Also replying because people don’t seem to know that ECC can be disabled or enabled on the 4090.

[@HydrarDraconis]

One useful thing I found with the stronger fans, if you break out the power pins from sata, you can still connect tacho and PWM wires to motherboard, as long as they're fed from the same PSU, and you won't cook the header.

[@cracklingice]

You can run the memory too fast but not crashing. GDDR6X has a limited form of error correction and you can get it to a point that there are so many errors happening that the memory is effectively performing slower than at a lower clock rate.

[@zappulla4092]

FFS. The 4090 has this disabled by default. You can enable it in nvidia control panel but it’s disabled by default so that is not the factor here

[@cracklingice]

@@zappulla4092 There's a toggle to disable the PAM4 error correction? Doesn't make much sense.

[@omegaPhix]

​​​​​@@zappulla4092You can't disable the error correction. It's on a hardware level Edit after some research: As expected the setting has no impact on single bit errors you'll find in games or "game like" benchmarks which get automatically corrected on a hardware level. The option is intended for AI or large renders

[@GregoryShtevensh]

​@mikezappulla4092 I'd like to see where in the NCP has that setting, because I've been through every setting and haven't found it

[@seriphim8542]

@@GregoryShtevensh It's "Change ECC State" under 3D Settings. ECC on the 4090 is disabled by default. You really should only turn it on if you're running critical calculation workloads through the card. Otherwise, the overhead isn't worth it just for gaming.

[@drivejapan6293]

Super happy to hear the EVGA not-4090 has a daily use. Even after the next gen cards come out I hope it has a daily use.

[@cdmarshall7448]

I did wish EVGA went to Intel and gave them a much needed hand.

[@john-paultolczyk2434]

@@cdmarshall7448 same i like that idea yes i do. 😉

[@SianaGearz]

​@@cdmarshall7448what hand? Intel needs better drivers, not a better PCB and cooler. EVGA is not the company with the expertise. And they can tarnish themselves in the process by selling GPU with hit or miss game/software compatibility.

[@CantankerousDave]

Competitive overclocking is so wild to me. At least he’s getting back into it when there are graphics cards to be had.

[@TheRogueWolf]

Jay: "To see if it's an eleven-hundred volt...." Nvidia engineers: "Write that down! Write that down!"

[@Karagoth444]

The OC results are gonna be fire!

[@Unobtanium1010]

With 1000x the power a score of 30,000,000 is plausible.

[@MD2389]

So what you're saying is that the 5090 will require a flux capacitor to run? Gonna generate so many frames, but sadly the connector will get so hot your PC will be it's own volcano! Hopefully you'll hit 88fps before that happens, so you can go have fun with your one-way time trip! ;)

[@squidwardo7074]

how to turn your computer into a fusion reactor

[@shadowlord0162]

that is a based reference@@MD2389

[@ravenovatechnologies6554]

Jay dropping the f bomb saying "if you put your finger in there you fing deserve it" Proceeds to instinctually put his finger in the death machine.

[@dillanyoung4799]

Lol that was the best

[@ZoneXV]

I think Phil forgot to censor a few words in this one, I'm fine with it though.

[@CantankerousDave]

Sometimes it’s called for.

[@Two_Thumbz]

I still can't get over it. It's like hearing your dad or mom curse for the first time as a kid. It's cool but also in shock. Yes I know he says other words and censors them but I laughed out loud on that one!

[@falcie7743]

GDDR6X can start to negative scale at some point since it corrects errors in real time. Push frequency too much and you lose score.

[@bradclapp4022]

On Jay's video RTX 3080 Overclocking... Holy S@&T at 14:49 he shows this using heaven benchmark. He must have forgot.

[@zappulla4092]

The 4090’s have ECC disabled by default. You would have to turn that on for it to have that effect. If you have ever used a 4090 you will find this in the nvidia control panel.

[@mycosys]

thats not what that means @@zappulla4092

[@ms3862]

For rtx4000 ECC is disabled by default unlike rtx3000 where it's enabled

[@Netsuko]

@@zappulla4092 Oh wow okay I did not know that. Interesting!

[@OntarioGuy430]

This new test bench setup looks really good - get to see everything all in one view without really having to move the camera around for better shots.

[@Dosudro]

"Ask me how I know." No Jay, the pain and frustration was very visible, we know you know.

[@alastairjones0]

Can anyone please explain why my 3090 memory junction temps are now always stuck showing at 94c after water cooling plus active backplate? 94c on idle and 94c when running high OC gaming for hours, what’s going on..?

[@slobra1997]

Yes please more of these videos. Love this type of content.

[@mykethelabrawolf6167]

In relation to the ad spot: I'm so ready to see what the BeQuiet Dark Base 701 has compared to the 700. Looking to build a couple PCs using that case.

[@hoxlund14]

Have the exact same card but with 4x EK Vardar fans in push/pull, with the 600watt bios loaded. rock solid with the 125% power limit and 175MHz core OC

[@Venture_Fanatic]

MSI saw the failures coming, probably spoke to NVIDIA and was given the Finger. MSI chose to fulfill their running Contracts with NVIDIA and that's it. MSI has the last laugh.

[@cnvdh3514]

MSi definitely didn't want to be held responsible for Nvidia screw up

[@TalesOfWar]

@@cnvdh3514 Indeed. MSI are more than capable of screwing up themselves lol.

[@andrewvirtue5048]

@@TalesOfWar My MSI 1070 and 2070 super have held up fine.

[@imafirenmehlazer1]

i actually have the gaming x trio and oc it every day at 1000 on mem and core @ 2950 and never had issues had the card now for 3 months and barely hit 450 wats while gaming so this makes me happy to see XD

[@battlephenom8508]

Really doubt 600w is an issue. Been running on 600w vbios @ 3000+ mhz and 1500 mhz on mem since last fall on the stock 4 8 pin to 16 pin without issue. The problem people were having was not seating the cable properly aka bad contact.

[@BigMan7o0]

What if you tried cross flashing the EVGA Not 4090 with a bios from another manufacturer? if its bios based instability and not the hardware itself it could make it stable and a viable option. Granted idk if it still works with 40 series, but I've tried MSI and Gigabyte Bios' on my EVGA 2080 Ti

[@marxmaiale9981]

For a protective cover, Take a trip to Home Depot or Lowes or Menards, look through the various wire mess products spread around the store for various purposes. Maybe even fit it to a wall vent cover.

[@TheGuardianGamerOF]

I love these kinds of videos, it really takes me back

[@draconightwalker4964]

12:43 this is why you put delta fans in a pull config with a rad. the rad itself is the finger guard.

[@kingofstrike1234]

well, he does it in push pull config 😂😂😂

[@skilledshots7200]

You should try putting the high RPM fans on the back to pull air, anything over 2k rpm will pull air with better cooling results than forcing air and having blow back, I only recommend because I tried this very thing with the same fans on a EVGA 3080 FTW3 hybrid and got better results when switched to pulling lol and man are they loud !

[@VndNvwYvvSvv]

Sound like it's probably fan model dependent, but that's interesting. Thanks.

[@Taeleus]

@12:05 Im so not used to Jay not editing out curse words haha makes me giggle every time.

[@gultar4513]

GDDR6X has ECC. go into the Nvida drivers and disable ECC mode. then reboot the PC. now with ECC off slowly raise your Memory speeds till it starts artifacting. now you willl know the limit. then turn ECC back on before doing running the Port Royal test.

[@MrMcGreed]

Oh, I hope Jay really gets back into XOC, it's so much fun to see what he can (.... will) do.

[@Alex-zi1nb]

need more races to the top! the rip jay/gn/paul series' were so fun!!!!!

[@YouBetterCallSaul]

Jay always seems so hyped when doing OC vids…personally I love them. I don’t get why ppl hate on the XOC content

[@514aam]

Gotta repaste the thing, I would recommend some thermalright TFX, also some K5 for the vram and VRM. Gddr6x also might perform worse at higher frequencies because of error correction.

[@nightshadelenar]

KPX is actually what Jay uses for repasting, more made for these sorts of OC/XOC things. using slightly better paste can up our scores if temp bound, though mainly the OS components holding him back along with some cooler optimizations.

[@514aam]

@@nightshadelenar KPX is great, not long term, but yeah, I just like TFX better, it's more viscous so pump out is not an issue at all.

[@valixplaysgames]

Happy to see the OC/XOC videos back! Please keep them up!

[@istephano2207]

I missed stuff like this! Always fun to watch so i cant wait for the next vid ^^

[@x_mxhbk]

I have a question please if a Reset my Pc can i use my email? And can I play with my last account in video games? Example fortnite?

[@epiphany86]

You absolutely fucking deserve it lol. Don't ever change Jay

[@kevinfleischer2049]

maybe soldering a cable in, could get you around the connector problem and allows you to push more volts.

[@mycosys]

I believe you may need to tune your system RAM my friend. low latency makes a huge diff - i have 3dMark platform records for this system and the only thing extraordinary is my RAM latency, its not even high clock

[@Lord_of_ChaoSan]

That's how I got 2nd Physics/CPU and 10th overall for 4790k/5700xt in Firestrike 3 or 4 Years ago, I didn't get in the top 100 until I upgraded the Memory and tinkered with the overclock a bit. Games felt a lot smoother, like my .1/1% lows increased noticably, but that might have just been placebo/wishful thinking after an upgrade.

[@mycosys]

@@Lord_of_ChaoSan 1600AF/6700XT is a lot easier to get a record, but its currently 1st in Firestrike extreme, 3rd in Port Royal, 6th in Timespy Extreme. Machine is so stock its even using a Wraith Prism. Its interesting to see how many higher clocked machines get lower scores.

[@cutco310]

Jay, great work on Ahsoka! Baylan Skoll is my new fave character.

[@jyveturkey1894]

You can put a 600w bios on the msi. The 4090 bioseses are all interchangeable.

[@chadmckean9026]

i think the top score is on chilled water w/ shunt mods, it was a yolo send it run and the card no longer turns on (assuming it has not changed) it did pull over 1000 watts (using the volt mod tool tool talks to the controller, maybe there was no shut mods, i do not recall)

[@DarthChewie]

I know it would involve taking apart your home system, but you have a Strix 4090 with a waterblock on it which would perform better than any AIO card. In the build video, you also said you had an active backplate (which you chose not to use) that would likely help when pushing the card to this extent, even if just by providing more consistent temps across the PCB.

[@xyzero1682]

I'd love to see more AC-cooling benchmark shenanigans.

[@mgut17]

yesssss, these are the videos i love so much

[@johneisele6264]

I would love to see more of this content

[@bigrox22]

dont give up. I love this kind of video. Keep going 🙂

[@jacobp4153]

Please do more of these videos!

[@TBloodFPV]

built my nephews dual rad setup w sandwiched push pull fans just like this and it came out clean holds 34 c a yr later w a pretty heavy OC . Nice this is the 1st comparable setup ive seen!

[@cochi2221]

14:50 That is happening to me! Well to my GPU but... I don't have any OC settings. Does anyone know what is going on with my GPU? My system is not crashing but I'm getting those black squares from time to time. I doesn't happen while gaming. Only when watching videos or movies The black squares disappear instantly, like a blink (we're talking about ms) Edit: Aorus Waterforce 4080 WB stock settings

[@YourAvgjoe]

I missed these types of videos

[@ikatdimo]

I got a used gigabyte aorus Rtx 4090 extreme watherforce few weeks ago. Unfortunately previous owner replaced the fans on the radiator with something else. My question is, how much is amperage on those fans ? How about I replace them with 3 phanteks T30. Do I damage the card ?

[@thedealer799]

These are the type of videos I love ❤️ Get the ln2!

[@maikson97]

we need a second part, if you're able too

[@maag78]

I have the TUF OG OC and it seems to be limited to 500 watts.

[@KillaBitz]

Yaaaa More Clock Wars Please. I've missed this.

[@xliquidflames]

What exactly is an FE card? I tried googling it and I'm getting conflicting or confusing answers. Can someone give me the simple answer?

[@BobBobson]

FE is Founder's Edition. It means the card was designed and sold by Nvidia directly, rather than one of their partners.

[@xliquidflames]

@@BobBobson See? That's what I thought but I kept getting the long winded answers. Lol thank you.

[@MelioUmbraBelmont]

Here I Brazil some overclockers are swaping some capcotors for more uf to try keep the overclock stable for more time

[@chincemagnet]

I have the 600w bios on my Gaming X Trio, I’ve been running it since launch and everything is still fine, it seldom exceeds 530w or so though when gaming

[@PatTheBaker855]

I wish I had a EVGA 4090 :( I went with the PNY and by all means its a fantastic card. But from going with EVGA for every video card I've owned to now having to go with a different brand sucks.

[@skylarmorehead9883]

lol serioulsy? you wish you had a card that didnt exxsist? EVGA didnt put out a retail 4090 nor any 40 series, lol what you talking about willis

[@PatTheBaker855]

@@skylarmorehead9883 there were (if im not mistaken) 2 EVGA 4090s made. They were a concept card and Jay has one. I was talking about wanting one of those cards AND how it sucks that i had to find another brand to go with after buying EVGA for so long.

[@maewemeetagain]

12:04 i was slightly zoned out focusing on my second monitor but hearing jay swear casually immediately brought me back to reality LMAO

[@oOWaschBaerOo]

with the big area infront of the fan that dosent have blades, i think its better to let them pull ? cause right now the hub is pressed right against the rad right ?

[@kyoudaiken]

Make sure you have any kind of VRR disabled in the driver AND in the screen AND reboot when you disabled it.

[@drkrskyz2291]

ya well my msi rtx 4090 suprim x just had the cable mod 180 power adapter fuse to the 12v. fully seated straight no gap at connection. adapter melted to the plug!!!

[@deepakdhingra1999]

I'd love to see you do LN2 and voltage manipulation for leaderboard push pretty plsss!

[@mrmrgaming]

My Suprim melted, and I saw plenty of others, but it was all because of the cablemod adapter. (Version 1, not 2) TBH, it was only at launch did I see any cables melt, and that was down to not pushed in, and people trying to make a 4090 fit in a case that was too small (tight bend) It's been a long time since I saw a cable melt, but I have seen 100s of adapters melt.

[@eddie8900]

Sweary Jay, fecking love it.

[@J-B-Good]

It depends on Nvidia drivers. You should search for best drivers to run 3dmark

[@gordyboy01]

@jayztwocents their is a Windows 11 Lite build you could try that quote "essentially a stripped-down version that contains just the necessary Windows 11 files required to make the OS work" like you mentioned may help get you some extra OC points. Worth a test at least in future video 👍

[@FaySmash]

aka Tiny11

[@TinchoX]

Tiny11, indeed!

[@Jeff.55649]

Windows 11 Ghost Spectre Superlite is better, been using it for years!

[@rasmusvedel]

@@Jeff.55649you’ve been using it for years? 😂 Windows 11 hasn’t even been out for two years. I call bullshit 😂😂😂

[@Mildly_Amused]

There are also overclocking focused windows 10 and windows 11 builds for benchmarking that work well.

[@FlexLex]

Here is what I would love to see tried. They are promising us a gnarly winter this year. An open bench out on the deck. Overclocked just on air when the temps drop below 0F. I did some googling and found a vid from several years ago of a guy doing it in Canada with a threadripper. But he only did cinebench testing. I bet GPU benchmarks would have been wild.

[@Zenefor]

3 things that'll improve pc score: 1. Set the priority to high or real time to allocate utmost amount of resources. 2. Reduce the monitor to a 1080p or lower for resolution latency when running. 3. Vbios modding to push timings even tighter.

[@battlephenom8508]

Good points. Definitely want to OC the whole system with OC RAM. Probably a good idea to have a bare-bones Win 11 install too. Also, NV control panel set texture filtering to High Performance and use NV inspector to set Rebar.

[@marknewellmusic]

Never set the priority to extremes... 'real-time' is a very bad idea as it prioritises things higher than the OS causing major problems, 'high' is also unwise. Use 'above normal' setting instead as it places your process above everything else, without causing the OS to trip over.

[@lu34lyf]

@@battlephenom8508 if you do this it will not log a valid run when adjusting nvidia texture settings it will see the driver level changes.

[@Scorpius165]

4. Set texture filtering and mipmap detail in nvidia control panel to high performance, optimizations on. It makes no difference for actual gaming (for big reduction in quality), but can give some points in benchmarks.

[@chincemagnet]

That VRAM is ECC, you can crank the clock speed but performance will tank when it starts correcting errors

[@Karn0010]

I love jank mods. The finger chopper 1000 is awesome, I hope we see more of it lol.

[@Netsuko]

I am curious. With GDDR6X, Isn't increasing VRAM clocks only good up to a point due to the self error correction GDDR6X does? To be more precise I think it's EDR (error detection and replay). Like, you can increase it to, say +1700mz but the ram already starts error correcting at +1500 but you won't notice a crash but the performance might degrade? At least that is what I have heard.

[@alkestos]

It's default disabled on RTX40 series. I know this is late reply.

[@complete-mayhem-x64]

I have an MSI gaming x Trio 4090 and it does appear to run a bit lower wattage by default relative to other power consumption tests I've seen.

[@mjpacturan4340]

easytune ruin my board after installing it, it needs to reset bios to able to display, but now, it can't display, what has gone wrong? i updated the bios succesfully but now it can run but no display

[@bborb]

maybe use the frequency curve to push higher clocks at higher voltages?

[@TheMaristBoy]

Hey Jay, have you ever considered extreme overclocking a super lowend card for the lols? Somethibg like a GF220 and just trying to get some funny numbers out of it sounds like fun. It’ll prolly cost you next to nothing in hardware either

[@Tarodenaro]

Hey Jay, if you're going for the lols, you might as well get a pair of San-Ace (Sanyo Denki) 9LG or 9WV at Mouser, one of the model has 200CFM and it on usual 12V PWM for some reason.

[@EyesOfByes]

For a few days, I had the top 1 spot in Wildlife Extreme. iPhone SE. A13. It was -10 celsius ambient winter

[@aarong5727]

Ghost Spector OS Higher benchmarks faster performance and FPS in gaming can also try the Headless display adapter or add a second monitor..

[@763762russian]

Check liquid metal application and use better thermal pads

[@TurboBass]

Have you done system RAM timing tightening?

[@aleksandrbmelnikov]

Use a higher end full coverage waterblock, custom loop, and go stupidly big on radiator. See if you can run same test on a stripped-down custom Linux install.

[@mathieubouchard5117]

Got My Hands on one of the last EVGA 3090Ti a year and half ago and now it feels like a collectors item.

[@johnhudson7055]

I would love to see how you set up the system for 3D mark and get on that leader board.

[@fred_derf]

Get a big bucket and a couple of pond pumps, fill the bucket with ice water, put the radiator in the ice water and point the pond pumps at them. You'll get cooling way above anything you'll get with air. if the water starts warming up, just add more ice.

[@thugaliciousSHAK]

you need custom bios for more volts and owerall power and ln2

[@jondonnelly3]

Time for Windows lite! and a proper full coverage 4090 waterblock and instead of radiator just flow mains water (waaay more flow than a pump) though it for bench runs.

[@WyFoster]

I have a Gaming X Trio with the Suprim 520w bios. Which is plenty. I never need more than that. Usually most games need around 400-450w

[@CS_Mango]

Speaking of overclocking. I managed to overclock my Ryzen 5 5500 to 4.45 GHz at CO -30. I'm using an NH-U12A as a cooler and it is fully stable. I can't go further because my motherboard won't allow me. But I also have no idea where those extra 50 MHz come from because the limit is +200mhz

[@SL4PSH0CK]

Ahh classic overclocking content hits me back 2015, da good sht

[@Dominus4776]

I have an alienware r10 and have an ac vent infront of the intake so it doesn't overheat. I want to do a case swap but can't afford it yet

[@Yosuwu]

12:05 It is so rare to hear Jay curse, it is almost very often blipped. Also, didn't Jay figure out before that memory speed affects the performance score in 3DMark more than core speed for RTX 30 series? But I might not be remembering correctly. EDIT: Oh right this is 40 series. I've lost track, so many GPUs.

[@Nathanael.Thomas]

Is there any hope to converting that MSI card to aftermarket cooling? I have one and would like to make one loop for both the 13900k and gpu. Are we pushing thermals enough with these overclocks to justify it? PS, Im handy and can follow instructions, solder, etc... but I'm no engineer. Need to follow someone else who had success.

[@FamedMatthew13]

Can we get more content like this? I know at least I miss it not sure about others as well. Lets see more sketchy stuff and squeeze out ever last point you can get out of it! I would love to get 4090's and try all sorts of stuff for that but I just don't have the money like other people have to do that.

[@czummo76]

***Try using Tiny 10 or Tiny 11 - for a cut down version of Windows, it only runs the absolute bare minimum processes*** Also, I agree on stick the rad in bucket of ice water with a small circulation pump in the bucket pointed at the rad.

[@Daniel-hj5jt]

I haven't done much overclocking on my 4090, but i have noticed that even when using identical settings, there are score fluctuations between afterburner overlay ON vs OFF, even having the app running without an overlay still gave me score variations, repeatable ones. Clean windows install, the version that takes out all the bloat. Turn off hyperthreading, that can negatively impact performance under certain loads....Is adjusting the PCI-E bus speed still a thing for overclocking?

[@gwjones82009]

the Gigabyte xtreme waterforce 4090 i have has a 500W limit as well, and no bios to go higher

[@JaProBot]

Can anyone help me please i keep getting error message when installing windows 11 and fail to update when on windows 10 can gpu cause that please help and 3 standard test with occt fails

[@mikeychowster]

Hi Jay, at 17:53, we can see that on their profile that they used Windows 10 instead of Windows 11. There could be some differences there between the benchmark and the OS that's keeping away from achieving your score :).

[@nightshadelenar]

the difference between 10 and 11 is mainly graphical. what's the same between stock 10/11 builds is the large amounts of useless processes running, so either way it should be worth ~800pts just stripping the OS back, and the difference between 10 and 11 is probably within margin of error. you'd get more from driver version tuning anyway, despite getting maybe 30-40pts at most.

[@Del_UK]

Jay and Team, I know there have been updates to 3D Mark, so it possible that they fixed a bug that allowed slightly higher score? You could also check this by seeing what scores people have been posting recently and compare to older scores.

[@justinpatterson5291]

When Jay says "1v1 me bro". He either means in CSGO or in an overclocking battle.

[@ethanvalentine4299]

how much could the CPU be limiting the score perhaps it needs to be OC'd to the limit as well as system ram??

[@charlesgentry3758]

Yeah you need a stripped version of windows ecause my usage went from 3gb to 200 mb when i l was using tiny windows.

[@EliteRock]

You could stack a fan, ideally counter-rotating, with the card's blower (not many available but Scythe make them) - you may be cooling GPU and VRAM well but there are other components that might get very hot that aren't monitored, such as VRM components (not just mosfets but chokes and caps), various SMD's. 12:18 - are you saying you plugged 4000 RPM 12cm industrial fans into motherboard fan-headers and didn't think there might be a problem?

[@thisismelsemail1217]

May be going out on a limb here, but did you make sure prefer maximum performance was set in nvidia control panel? That may be the reason for the score difference even if the numbers are the same on paper. I only know this because although my clock speeds and temps and everything stayed the exact same, I gained 15fps in starfield by switching that setting in the control panel. I'm sure you checked because you're Jay, just thought I'd point it out just in case.