Jews, The Gospel, & Hebrew Roots: A chat with Brian Crawford

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Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity

Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity

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Meet Brian Crawford, the Director of Digital Evangelism at Chosen People Ministries. He's been sharing the Gospel with unbelieving Jews for over 15 years and has a lot of wisdom and insight to offer on the topics of Jewish evangelism, Messianic Judaism, and Torahism (aka Hebrew Roots, Torah-observant Christianity).
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:15 Meet Brian Crawford
04:29 What does Chosen People Ministries do?
08:27 What is Messianic Judaism?
14:07 The theology of Messianic Judaism
16:30 The remnant of Israel
21:14 Are Believing Jews under the Law?
25:49 Are Gentiles obligated to keep the Torah?
28:22 Sidebar: What is “One Law” theology
30:38 Are Gentiles obligated to keep the Torah?
33:31 Are there Gentiles in Messianic Judaism?
35:41 The Mixed Multitude at Sinai
40:46 Do Jews eveangelize?
42:37 Who was the New Covenant made with?
44:22 How do Jews view Messianic Judaism?
46:48 Who do Jews think Jesus was?
49:45 Keeping the Law without a temple
53:36 Why was the second temple destroyed?
01:09:53 Get in touch with Brian and Chosen People

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@liselottevestergaard997
@liselottevestergaard997 8 ай бұрын
I also hope there will be a part 2 and 3. Really important teaching. 👏🙏🏻
@ingela_injeela
@ingela_injeela 5 ай бұрын
Agree.
@durkd3968
@durkd3968 8 ай бұрын
Thanks brother I just found your KZbin channel what a blessing. I am one of those believers that was confused and got caught up in the one law movement and have been in limbo for some time. This discussion has helped immensely. Thank you and look forward to watching all your content
@gerdagijsel
@gerdagijsel 5 ай бұрын
Wow, wow, wow thank you for this interview. So deep and so profound❤ Brian's question of the Why is a sharp cut in these unbiblical thinking ❤
@joshuamelton9148
@joshuamelton9148 8 ай бұрын
Very informative video as always. I appreciate the guest and his perspective.
@nancykindt6487
@nancykindt6487 8 ай бұрын
This discussion was so valuable and interesting, I hated to see it end! It was also validating as I'm in the process of debating Torahists about this very subject on them actually breaking Torah by keeping certain Torah laws. Thank you!
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse Orthodox Jews reject the God of the Hebrew Bible
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
I agree, they break the laws they claim to keep. Thus they are Damned by their own admission.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse Sorry, you lost Him, don't blame us
@kimartist
@kimartist 8 ай бұрын
​@ShiaDiscourse Joshua is not mentioned in the Bible? You do realize Jesus is the anglicized form of Joshua? Joshua is a contraction of Jehovah & Hosiah. I Am That I Am Savior. I feel this "stealing gods" talk is beneath you. I had a lot of respect for you until the mud slinging with our resident troll, who is best ignored. Most of your writings are thoughtful & interesting, even when I disagree with them. We (Christians) believe God had a baby who is one in purpose with Himself - sent to earth to be Messiah/Savior. Btw I can't remember the name, but there are Christians who believe God is a two-person monarchy & that the Holy Spirit is internal, not a separate person (i.e. they are not trinitarians) & yet another group that considers themselves "Oneness" who believe that Father, Son & Holy Spirit are all one person/one god, not three. In other words, they believe the Father Himself came to earth to save His people.
@kimartist
@kimartist 8 ай бұрын
​@ShiaDiscourse I understand the Jewish objections to Jesus/Christianity. As a Christian, I agree with most of your statements in your 3rd paragraph & I am aware of the Mithraic symbolism, practices, etc. extant in the Catholic church, which I reject, while at the same time not rejecting the sincere Catholic laymen I have met who have the same basic Christian beliefs as I. I do agree that you & I have different religions, but I differ from you in that I think it's OK to have different religions. Everyone is free to choose.
@rocketmanshawn
@rocketmanshawn 8 ай бұрын
This was a great dialog. Especially liked his emphasis on Duet 27-30 and its relation to AD70. I did a deep dive on Matthew 16-26 last year paying special attention to how the rest of scripture helps us understand the events. And I read 1 Maccabees and the pertinent chapters of Josephus Wars of the Jews. Many people don't know just how significant an event AD70 was. The whole conversation was riveting. Hope there's a part 2 (or 3). Praying for his organization's work to be blessed and bring many to faith.
@paulmiller7775
@paulmiller7775 8 ай бұрын
Fantastic presentation! Brian cleared up a lot of questions I have had, I do believe there are many more questions that could be addressed so hopefully you will have Brian back for a second interview! God bless!!
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, Paul! Blessings, Rob
@KateWils1
@KateWils1 8 ай бұрын
Awesome discussion! Thought I would catch a few minutes this morning, ended up watching the entire episode in one sitting (and would gratefully listen to 7 more hours should the two of you meet again😊). Mr. Crawford's insight that HR is able to fill a niche created by an area of confusion among believers is on target. Thank you for your work which helps those of us in teaching ministry recognize and focus careful study of essential topics. Received Torahism book for Christmas and am looking forward to reading it in this new year. Blessings to you and your family in 2024.
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Kate! Blessings to you and yours, as well. Rob
@kimartist
@kimartist 8 ай бұрын
WOW that was SO interesting! I love how you get so many different angles of this HRM thing & hearing the perspective of the many & various different Jewish groups was very enlightening to say the least. Also a fascinating discussion on the reason(s) the Temple was destroyed.
@connieg7483
@connieg7483 8 ай бұрын
Excellent. Thank you for sharing.
@l1Experiment
@l1Experiment 8 ай бұрын
#1 👍😁😎💯 Thank you professor, always enjoy these interviews... Shalom Shalom...
@MamasDaughter47
@MamasDaughter47 8 ай бұрын
Very, very, very interesting!!! Thank you for this🙏🏼
@amyk87
@amyk87 6 ай бұрын
As a Gentile member of a Messianic Jewish congregation, I think this was a really well-balanced and accurate approach to the differences between Messianic Gentiles and members of the Hebrew Roots Movement. I think it cleared up a lot of things that people might find confusing.
@pierreferguson1300
@pierreferguson1300 8 ай бұрын
Good chat w/ Brian Crawford. Aaron Budjen of Living God Ministries would also be a good chat if you can get him. Aaron also has two KZbin channels: Aaron Budjen and Aaron Budjen Live. Aaron; a Jewish believer in Messiah Jesus, helped me greatly through Bob George Ministries where he heard and believed the gospel. Amen.
@andrewfindlay7594
@andrewfindlay7594 8 ай бұрын
Really good interview!!
@jonuvark2385
@jonuvark2385 8 ай бұрын
WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!
@FaithandFoodSecrets
@FaithandFoodSecrets 8 ай бұрын
Acts 15:10 King James Version 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear
@jjx1743
@jjx1743 8 ай бұрын
I found this interesting but very disruptive with so many commercials
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 8 ай бұрын
Sorry about that, JJ! Unfortunately, I don't have control over how many commercials KZbin shows during my videos. Blessings, Rob
@rickblake3674
@rickblake3674 8 ай бұрын
THIS is the interview and information you should have had before even your last two videos. I certainly see that some for points would HAVE to be framed with better understanding. This is what we've been trying to tell you.
@JGez83
@JGez83 8 ай бұрын
Jeff Kran who passed away a few years ago was also part of Chosen People Ministries his KZbin channel Zions Banner is still up and still has many of his lectures on it. His dissertation was on the Neo-judaizer movement of Hebrew Roots/Torah Observance
@rupierichards1809
@rupierichards1809 8 ай бұрын
It is common for some people to retain their roots or çultures after accepting Jesus Christ. This also speaks to those Jews who have accepted Jesus Christ. The Jewish Religious movement was centered around a family dynasty that lasted from the Children of Israel receiving the covenant on Mount Sinai to the death of Jesus Christ. The death of Jesus ended the marriage between God and the Children of Israel. Because God was married to the Children of Israel, He would have to die to bring an end to that everlasting marriage. Therefore, Jesus Christ, in the form of God, died to end that marriage. Jesus' resurrection enabled God's widow to remarry another, Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
@jamesburkhart1658
@jamesburkhart1658 4 ай бұрын
Interesting perspective!
@gregorymendoza9455
@gregorymendoza9455 8 ай бұрын
Also, there are Hebrew Catholics. There is a movement in the Catholic church to reach Jews with the Gospel.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
Zionism
@ingela_injeela
@ingela_injeela 5 ай бұрын
The 'gospel' of Catholicism says you have to atone for your sins in purgatory. So no good news.
@mauricetravis868
@mauricetravis868 8 ай бұрын
@bykota1966
@bykota1966 8 ай бұрын
The Jews were exiled before 70ad. Daniel could not keep the law. But we know he was accepted by God. Hum? Good discussion.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
No one is exiled today and hadn't been in Jesus's day
@tinaskiver8850
@tinaskiver8850 3 ай бұрын
If converting to Judaism as a Torah practicing Christian and becoming a Messianic Jew is being considered as a possible “fix” for Torah practicing Christians ethnicity problem….. I have questions. What does it mean to be an ethnic Jew then? Does actual ancestry (DNA) matter any more? Wouldn’t more Christians want to do this then so they can claim lineage to God’s chosen people and still practice their Christian beliefs? Also confused as to why the support for the modern nation state of Israel when it was created by an atheist and is considered a secular state.
@musicinspire1745
@musicinspire1745 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely the HR people are NOT keeping Torah! No way! Even the Jews are not keeping Torah, having dismissed large chunks of it on the flimsy basis of there not being a temple! They could have at any time built a tabernacle since there is no place where the Lord's name is written! The pathetic claims for disobedience fall flat when we read about how the Lord deals with compromises made in the minds of people in ancient times toward His Law: 2 Samuel 6:6-7 6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth [his hand] to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook [it]. 7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for [his] error; and there he died by the ark of God. Hey, Uzzah was trying to keep the ark from falling to the ground, and was still struck dead in spite of the seemingly good justification for disobedience! Modern people thinking that they are more sophisticated, and therefore better able to justify their disobedience to something they claim we are all beholden...NO! That's a lie from the pits of Hell!
@musicinspire1745
@musicinspire1745 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse It WAS His resting place, but no longer!
@musicinspire1745
@musicinspire1745 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse The Jewish Messiah has already come, and was/is rejected by Orthodox Jews. I as an Israeli accept that Yahshuah was/is the Messiah who has already come and redeemed us from sin and religious zealotry that is the deadness of the old Law. With the change in the priesthood came a change in the Law, as is stated by a very educated Jew, Paul of Tarsus.
@musicinspire1745
@musicinspire1745 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse I didn't miss how Jewish Yahshuah was, and the apostles. Don't worry. Some day you too will know the truth of how wrong you are! You are blinded, and that's on you alone!
@ingela_injeela
@ingela_injeela 5 ай бұрын
I hear you mention Michael Brown - please beware - he is *not* a sound teacher! (Brownsville...)
@CupOJoeOuttaIdaho
@CupOJoeOuttaIdaho 8 ай бұрын
This is actually an eschatological issue as well.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
If you get Israel wrong you get your eschatology wrong
@KatAmanti
@KatAmanti 8 ай бұрын
The LORD'S SUPPER replaced the Passover!
@musicinspire1745
@musicinspire1745 8 ай бұрын
Leaders within Orthodox Judaism are NOT authorities over the commands within the Mosaic Law! They are not anywhere authorized to let anyone off the hook!
@tbishop4961
@tbishop4961 8 ай бұрын
Debatable
@musicinspire1745
@musicinspire1745 8 ай бұрын
@@tbishop4961 On what basis?
@tbishop4961
@tbishop4961 8 ай бұрын
@@musicinspire1745 the law gives you the answer. Each community is to choose knowledgeable men to set over them and decide on legal matters
@tbishop4961
@tbishop4961 8 ай бұрын
Deuteronomy 1:13
@musicinspire1745
@musicinspire1745 8 ай бұрын
@@tbishop4961 That is not at all what I asked! Leaders they placed over them were never authorized to gainsay the Law of Yah! You are throwing up straw man argumentation!
@CupOJoeOuttaIdaho
@CupOJoeOuttaIdaho 8 ай бұрын
Keeping the mosaic law without a temple?? Ok
@simonskinner1450
@simonskinner1450 8 ай бұрын
But there is no need of a man made Temple to keep the Abrahamic law, just a spiritual one.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@@simonskinner1450 how do you keep the Abrahamic law? When it wasnt a law, It is a little early to start drinking, isnt it.
@simonskinner1450
@simonskinner1450 8 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 Abraham kept Gods laws as Genesis 26:5, as God said to Isaac. I think that you like many don't realise the Torah started with Abraham.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@@simonskinner1450 I can show your error, easy. 1st you said Abrahamic law, we both know there isnt any. 2nd when you read this will you repent and stop teaching the false gospel Paul speaks of? Deuteronomy 5:1 And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@@simonskinner1450 when you say stupid stuff like this 'I think that you like many don't realise the Torah started with Abraham' it really makes your cult look like it is full of Idiots,
@Michelle-g2h9q
@Michelle-g2h9q 7 ай бұрын
Demons helped Solomon build the temple
@henryhodgens4312
@henryhodgens4312 8 ай бұрын
And finally, Brian’s statement that simply believing IN Messiah for atonement / salvation is not an element of Torah is exactly correct. The Greek of the NT never says to believe “in” or “on” (Greek: “en”, epsilon nu) Yeshua to be saved. That is, to simply give mental ascent to the fact of the Messiah, Yeshua. Rather, it says to believe “into” Him (Greek: “eis”, epsilon iota sigma) …to become like Him. Even normative Christian doctrine holds that Yeshua kept the Torah / Law perfectly to be the Perfect Lamb of God. So, to BELIEVE INTO Him means to “walk as He walked” …to keep the Commandments of God as best as we can with the right heart. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (1 John 2:3-6) And this motif IS Torah. Also notice that the verse quoted, Rom 8:1, invokes the Spirit: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Rom 8:1) What is the task of the Spirit? To circumcise our hearts. What is circumcision of the heart? 51 Ye stiffnecked and UNCIRCUMCISED IN HEART and ears, ye do always RESIST THE HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have RECEIVED THE LAW by the disposition of angels, and HAVE NOT KEPT IT. (Acts 7:51-53) So, the Spirit’s task is to write God’s commandments on our hearts…to convict us of sin; i.e., transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4). This IS the (Re-)New(ed) Covenant! 33 But this shall be the COVENANT that I will make with the house of ISRAEL; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my LAW (Hebrew, Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Jer 31:33) 10 For this is the COVENANT that I will make with the house of ISRAEL after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my LAWS (Greek, nomos) into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (Heb 8:10) So, back to the drawing board, guys? Shalom
@AdanJr007
@AdanJr007 7 ай бұрын
Good explanation Henry. That's why it's said of king David that he was a man after God's own heart - he had a circumcised heart ❤! And Paul cites that. NMV'18 Ps 119:2: "2 Blessed (Favored by God; happy; prosperous) [are] they that keep his testimonies, [and that] seek him with the whole HEART." NMV'18 Ps 119:7: "7 I will praise you with uprightness of HEART, when I shall have learned your righteous judgments." NMV'18 Ps 119:10: "10 With my whole HEART have I sought you: O let me not wander from your commandments." NMV'18 Ps 119:11: "11 Your word have I hid in mine HEART, that I might not sin against you." NMV'18 Ps 119:32: "32 I will run the way of your commandments, when you shall enlarge my HEART." NMV'18 Ps 119:34: "34 Give me understanding, and I shall keep your law; yea, I shall observe it with [my] whole HEART." NMV'18 Ps 119:36: "36 Incline my HEART unto your testimonies, and not to covetousness." NMV'18 Ps 119:69: "69 The proud have forged a lie against me: [but] I will keep your precepts with [my] whole HEART." NMV'18 Ps 119:80: "80 Let my HEART be sound in your statutes; that I be not ashamed." NMV'18 Ps 119:111: "111 Your testimonies have I taken as a heritage forever: for they [are] the rejoicing of my HEART." NMV'18 Ps 119:112: "112 I have inclined mine HEART to perform your statutes always, [even unto] the end." NMV'18 Ps 119:145: "145 KOPH. I cried with [my] whole HEART; hear me, O LORD-Yehōvah [Messiah Pre-Incarnate]: I will keep your statutes." NMV'18 Ps 119:161: "161 SCHIN. Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my HEART stands in awe of your word."
@graysonbr
@graysonbr 8 ай бұрын
I think the confusion lies in misunderstanding of how Gentles are grafted into. The OT Covenant by the way wasn't based on the rules side ....but through the Levitical protocol and sacrifices. When Jesus fulfilled the sacrifice through Him, we became grafted into an updated better covenant. But the behavioral expectations stayed the same, that's why Paul stated the ultimately that's a life in the Holy Spirit and NOT walking according to the flesh. I have been in a Messianic congregation that have no problems with drinking 13% wine as long "it's Kosher" with the feasts. The new covenant is this Spirit walk exhibited by fruits and a rejection of idolatrous (Acts 15).
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
when you say 'behavioral expectations stayed the same' are you saying we are to still keep the law of Moses? Why Kosher and you know you can't keep the feasts as God Commanded, thus breaking God's law
@graysonbr
@graysonbr 8 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 feasts and festivals where never to be rejected in observance. It's that Paul simply knew that outside the land of Israel that they would be difficult to follow and didn't impose it. Even Orthodox Jews acknowledge that half of the laws can't be applied to a local assembly and only apply to the land of Israel. The thing is I think R L's approach needs to be different. I have never heard R L rebuke doesn't Gentile assemblies in their Pharisaical legalism and human traditions. I am listening to this video and the guy from Chosen People ministry was like "Constantine put an end to Jewish evangelism" but doesn't also at the same time acknowledge that antisemitism began shortly thereafter too?? He doesn't address supersessionism after Constantine either. You could get arrested for celebrating the Sabbath and Feasts after 330 AD. I actually know some people who are Messianic because of spiritual abuse by Nicoliatian leadership. Now one thing I will say they are correct in addressing is abuses in the Hebrew movement and the error of salvation by works of the law, which is heresy. I would encourage listening to FFOZ material as First Fruits of Zion illustrate perfectly the usefulness of acknowledge of feast and festivals, without legalism, and as the shadows of things to come. R L did do a video series on antisemitism and it's in the playlist. I simply don't understand why he doesn't refer to them more in his current video releases.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@@graysonbr that is the point Torah Keepers miss. You can no longer keep the Feasts, and the law of Moses. God commanded Israel to keep the law and the Feasts and He instructed them how. Paul didn't keep the annual pilgrimage feasts and we never saw him bring a Church with him to Jerusalem, and the Temple was still standing. We see in Acts 2 that there were Jews there from all the known world. About Constantine, the poor Guy gets blamed for a lot. People forget 1800 Bishops agreed. Also he didnt have to power or control over all of Christendom. I am anti Zionism. Not anti-Judaism. I have no issue with those Jewish Christians and the feasts as long as they understand they were Shadows. No True Christian is anti semitic. There is No Hebrew movement, it is Satanic. If you don't keep the law of Moses as God commanded then thinking you can or do, it becomes a Tradition of man and not from God. So, all these fake Hebrews are sending up Strange Fire. Thanks for your comment, Peace
@graysonbr
@graysonbr 8 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 Sadly, disagree, and believe you failed to perceive the tone of my post and ignored several points for a generalization. Did you not note the statement of abuses in Gentile assemblies where men's opinion rule above God's wisdom. All Scripture is inspired and is to be applied for rebuking, admonishing, correction, and reprove, that means ALL. You also ignored my comments that legalistic based salvation IN ANY form is heresy. The Levitical protocols and ordinances have indeed been fulfilled in Christ. The feast and festivals are a shadow of things to come so they need to be acknowledged in the minimalist sense. So I gather you are a postmillennial, aye?
@rickblake3674
@rickblake3674 8 ай бұрын
Sorry, but even a casual reading of the book of Acts will dispell the errors that Paul didn't follow through with the commands of the Torah. Chapter 13:14-15 is a start.
@aliyahu8800
@aliyahu8800 8 ай бұрын
Torah is not the heartbeat of Judaism the Talmud is
@charliestalmudfactory8839
@charliestalmudfactory8839 8 ай бұрын
I don’t represent xristianity or Hebrew roots I do however observe Judaism. I am in the process of converting to Orthodox Judaism your jc is not messiah we don’t what nor do we need your messiah please stop trying to convert us. Just leave us alone. We don’t try to convert you we let you observer your xristianity leave us alone and let us observe our Judaism. We are fine just the way we are. 😁
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
so why are you here? To kill Jesus again?
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse I just did. Why are you here, to grab those in the Hebrew Roots and bring them into Judaism? That is the obvious plan of Satan.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse Sorry I don't care why you are here. All I know is you are doing the Devil's work
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse I am not Italian. Too Funny, Yet you are still a Jesus hater, and in the end that is all that matters
@simonskinner1450
@simonskinner1450 8 ай бұрын
Paul was still a Jew, but no longer a Mosaic Jew, he discovered he needed to be an Abrahamic Jew. But since the Cross to receive the Spirit being poured out on the in the new covenant, to still keep the law given to Abraham by faith, to have access to eternal life through sanctification and his past sins forgiven. All those following Moses must set aside the amendment given to Moses, the ordinances were nailed to the Cross, but Moses did establish death for sin not addressed by God with Abraham.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
Abrahamic Jew is an Oxymoron
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 8 ай бұрын
Hi Simon! "Paul was still a Jew, but no longer a Mosaic Jew, he discovered he needed to be an Abrahamic Jew." I've never heard it put that way before. I like it! The part about "the law given to Abraham" is a little confusing, though. Paul said that the law was not given until 430 years _after_ God's promise to Abraham (Gal. 3:17). Shalom, Rob
@simonskinner1450
@simonskinner1450 8 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 Only if like Saul you are a Mosaic Jew. Paul was a lost sheep of Israel from the tribe of Benjamin under the law given to Abraham, and still, if you read Deuteronomy correctly, grace available by good works. An Abrahamic Jew is the true Israelite by faith.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@@simonskinner1450 you cant seem to get anything right - Romans 4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void.
@simonskinner1450
@simonskinner1450 8 ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots In Galatians 3 Paul was talking about the law of sin and death, or ten commandments, not the covenant law that accompanied the promise of the Spirit. Romans 5:12 establishes that as eternal, the wages of sin is death. I am glad you like as it helps untangle the situation between AD30 and AD70, where a Jew might fulfil the law of Abraham, Moses or Christ. Since AD70 faith is through Christ only to receive the Spirit.
@gideonopyotuadebo2304
@gideonopyotuadebo2304 3 ай бұрын
ANY OTHER TYPE OF GOSPEL THAT IS DIFFERENT AND CONTRARY TO THE LAWFUL COVENANT GOSPEL OF LORD GOD YEHOVAH IS A FALSE DECEPTIVE JEW
@jimharmon2300
@jimharmon2300 8 ай бұрын
All branches comes off one tree . That one tree is GOD . HE changes not nor does HIS laws .
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo 8 ай бұрын
New Covenant Whole Gospel: Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse I have posted this same message on pages that are produced by Muslims. I have also shared the New Covenant Gospel with atheists and agnostics. We are commanded to share the Gospel with all people. How about you?
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse Do you try to ignore Jeremiah 31:31-34?
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse How many of the 613 ordinances of the Mosaic Covenant are you now keeping?
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse How do you atone for those sins?
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo 8 ай бұрын
@ShiaDiscourse Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple during 70 AD? What happened during 363 AD when Julian the Apostate tried to rebuild the Old Covenant temple? How is the above related to Daniel chapter 9?
@henryhodgens4312
@henryhodgens4312 8 ай бұрын
With regard to the terms, stranger / sojourner, we need to recognize that in Hebrew there are at least four different terms for people not of the “blood line”, not including compounds of the same words, that are simply translated into English as, “stranger” / “sojourner”. Thus, some strangers were to be put to death while other strangers were to be welcomed in. The ger / toshav was the good stranger that was to be welcomed / grafted in. The others, not so much. Note that in the very same chapter of Leviticus cited by Brian, God also calls the Israelites, themselves, ger / toshav. 23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers (ger) and sojourners (toshav) with me. (Lev 25:23) From this fact, we can see that gentiles called ger / toshav…those wanting to join themselves to Israel…were, many times, to be welcomed / grafted in, same as those “of the blood line”. According to Scripture, the conscripts that Solomon used to build the temple were survivors of Israel’s conquest of eretz Israel. Thus, they were NOT the “good stranger” and did not want to join themselves with Israel. Why would you allow someone in, that didn’t have your best interest in mind to start with? ...sounds just like today, doesn’t it? So, Solomon used them constructively without granting them the status of Israelite. 20 And all the people that were left of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, which were not of the children of Israel, 21 Their children that were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel also were not able utterly to destroy, upon those did Solomon levy a tribute of bondservice unto this day. (1 Kings 9:20,21) Ruth is a very interesting case. Perhaps she was beyond the tenth generation of Moabites that were to be excluded? Or, more likely in light of God’s acceptance of ALL people with the right heart, she was grafted into Israel because she saw the goodness and righteousness exhibited by Naomi and wanted to be a part of that people-group, Israel. 16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: 17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the LORD do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. (Ruth 1:16,17)
@jimharmon2300
@jimharmon2300 8 ай бұрын
What I see is limited vision or understanding. GODs people are anyone who accepts HIS covenant as Abraham. Genesis 26:5 (KJV) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
@rickblake3674
@rickblake3674 8 ай бұрын
What is wrong with you guys? At minute 30, even Brien gets it wrong. Gentiles WERE signatories at Sinai, but apart from that, the salvation of the whole world (nation) was the goal and intent of the Creator as Israel was supposed to represent. Example: even the10 Commandments were expected to ALL mankind. ALL sojourners, strangers, etc. Then and in the New Testament.
@beckyfrechette4439
@beckyfrechette4439 8 ай бұрын
The “10 Commandments” don’t continue into the New Covenant. 9 of the 10 are a part of the law of Christ that Christians are now under.
@jimharmon2300
@jimharmon2300 8 ай бұрын
@@beckyfrechette4439 The one HE said to remember and you mark off the list .
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 8 ай бұрын
@@beckyfrechette4439 that is heresy
@rickblake3674
@rickblake3674 8 ай бұрын
Becky, The 'law of Christ' is the law given by God through Moses. "I and my father are one." Also, Matthew 5:17-19. Also, the Sabbath can not be done away, it is the seventh day in our creation and the Gentiles were expected to learn God's commands on His Sabbath. Acts 15:20-21.
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 8 ай бұрын
Hi Rick! That’s actually not the case at all. No other nation was ever expected to keep the Sabbath. That was unique to Israel. And the Old Covenant was made with Israel alone (Exod. 19:1-6). Gentiles were not party to that covenant. Shalom, Rob
@bop-ya-good
@bop-ya-good 8 ай бұрын
God has rejected israel and now gentiles do not go through israel to be saved! Romans 11:11 KJV - I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
@henryhodgens4312
@henryhodgens4312 8 ай бұрын
Rob, Brian - Two good ole boys, slapping themselves on the back, indulging in confirmation bias. So many errors…so little time. A few glaring examples: Yes, you are correct that a distinction was made between Israelites and gentiles with respect to servitude. But this was in the realm of socio-economic class. From a religious perspective, however, the gentile bond servants that were grafted into Israel…became Israelites. They were CIRCUMCISED into the COVENANT with God just like the native-born Israelite: 10 This is my COVENANT, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be CIRCUMCISED. 11 And ye shall CIRCUMCISE the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the COVENANT betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be CIRCUMCISED among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or BOUGHT WITH MONEY OF ANY STRANGER, which is NOT OF YOUR SEED. 13 He that is born in thy house, and HE THAT IS BOUGHT WITH MONEY, must needs be CIRUMCISED: and my COVENANT shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. (Gen 17:10-13)
@johnnyblades7824
@johnnyblades7824 8 ай бұрын
Interesting how Brian and Sollberg will not identify the " tree" as Isreal. Brian defines jewish believer as " the natural branches" Solberg then won't touch on the meaning of the " wild branches " "being nurtured by the root" Israel has always been a larger nation than just the tribe of Judah. Judah is confederate with the rest of the tribes of Israel, including the " mixed multitude, and all " strangers" ( sojourners) that willingly attacht themselves to Israel. Read Ezequiel 47:22 ( when Messiah is ruling Israel, Gentile believers will be given land in Isreal and treated as " native born" ) the fact gentiles could become " Isrealites" ( spiritual citizens) is Firmly established in the rites of the Passover at Exodus: 12:47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it "..Yeshuah our passover lamb..) ( 1Corinthians 5:7)
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 8 ай бұрын
Hi, Johnny! Can you find anywhere in Paul's olive tree analogy where he refers to the tree as Israel? RLS
@johnnyblades7824
@johnnyblades7824 8 ай бұрын
@TheBiblicalRoots if you can, take hold of your Bible and follow along as we read and we discover that Romans 11 is clearly on the topic of Isreal the people, more precisely the faithful elect of Isreal, and the blind of Israel left to disbelief and disobedience and the chosen of the Nations that have been called into obedience, all wrapped up into most notably the metaphore of an olive tree, in a parable where it is tended to by Our Father in Heaven. Our brother Paul begins chapter 11 with a question posed in response to a quote from Isaiah in Roman's 10:21( " .. all day day long I have stretched My hands to a disobedient and back-talking PEOPLE..") at 11:1 we read: " I say then, Has God cast away HIS PEOPLE? God forbid, for I also am an ISREALITE of the descendants of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away HIS PEOPLE whome he Forknew" Paul continues with his conversation about Isreal, including an account of the prophet Elijah lamenting to the Father about the falling away of Isreal, then Father assures him that He has "reserved" 7k MEN WHO HAVE NOT FOLLOWED IDOLATRY, likewise the " election of grace" provides THE REMENANT of Paul's day. 11:17 is still on point "What then? ISREAL hath not obtained that which he seeking for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded" ( here Paul is pointing out that even in the days of Elijah, it was the work of the Father to choose his own by moving thier heart to him, the rest were blind to the Father, unable to recieve Him in this case; they were all of the same "flesh" but not the same Spirit) 11:8 quotes Dueteronomy speaking about ISREAL and Isaiah prophesying about JEWS in Jerusalem. And we are also given a psalm of David's troubles with his enemies, where he mentions they be made blind to stumble. i think most would agree that David's biggest enemies were his fellow Isrealites. 11:11 picks up with those that " stumbled " "..have THEY stumbled that THEY should fall?. But by THEIR fall deliverance has come to the nation's, to provoke THEM to jealousy"( here we are introduced to a new group called " the nations" ) 11: 14 contains a reference to Deuteronomy where Father promises to make ISREAL jealous. 11:15 Paul is marveling at the genius of the Father in his plan to reconcile the Nations and the ISREALITES( the only large body of Isrealites gathered at the time were the JEWS,) to life from the dead. 11: 16 begins the allegory of the OLIVE TREE: "For if the first fruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the ROOT is holy, so are the BRANCHES. And if some of the BRANCHES were broken off, and YOU being a WILD OLIVE TREE were grafted in among THEM, and with THEM partake of the ROOT and fatness of THE OLIVE TREE; boast not against the BRANCHES.." the conversation about BRANCHES being grafted into the "GOOD OLIVE TREE" continues, into 11:25 where Paul states, still in the same context of this whole conversation: " For I would not, BRETHREN, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to ISREAL, until THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES comes in" (-"comes in" to WHAT??? ) 11:26 " And so ALL ISRAEL shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from JACOB: for this is my covenant unto THEM, when I shall take away THIER sins" I trust you can see and know the rest, I hope you are able to see that THE CONTEX is clearly traceable through out the chapter regarding THE TREE; the conversation is all about Father's CHOSEN PEOPLE, some are chosen from the native ISREALITES i.e. JEWS and BENJAMITES ( like PAUL, and the Apostles) the other group of CHOSEN PEOPLE are chosen from the Nations ( like Cornelius and the Ethiopian Eunuch; these are branches from the Wild Olive tree,) these are all grafted into the OLIVE TREE that has been pruned of the wicked ( the Olive tree metaphor is clearly used to illustrate Isreal in the Holy scriptures, read: Jeremiah 11:16, Hosea 14:6, )( for an even deeper dive into the ultimate roll of the Olive tree(s) read these: Zechariah 4: 2-4, 11-14, Revelation 11:3-4, Exodus 27:20)
@aliyahu8800
@aliyahu8800 8 ай бұрын
Google the Jesuits
@radostinvasilev599
@radostinvasilev599 8 ай бұрын
Faith is not enough to save you, you need to work too. 2 Thessalonians 3:10-13 New King James Version (NKJV)For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies.
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 8 ай бұрын
This passage doesn't teach "salvation by faith plus works,"" Radostin. It's about personal responsibility. It sounds like you might be confusing sanctification (the process by which saved believers grow to be more like Christ and learn to resist sin) with salvation. "For it is by grace you have been saved, *through faith* -and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- *not by works,* so that no one can boast" (Eph 2:8-9) Blessings, Rob
@radostinvasilev599
@radostinvasilev599 8 ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots so, how come if annanias and his wife were saved by grace and suddenly the holy Spirit killed them. Or maybe you will say they were sanctified.
@radostinvasilev599
@radostinvasilev599 8 ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots also do you mean god will save you without working, but if you don't work you will die from starving, but its ok. You will go to paradise and god will reward you anyway?
@radostinvasilev599
@radostinvasilev599 8 ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots in another words, are you saying that all busybodies that have faith that Jesus rose from the dead and they confess him as a lord, they shall be equally saved as anybody else that does evel things but still have faith in Jesus Christ?
@Hammerofheretics989
@Hammerofheretics989 8 ай бұрын
Sorry prof Solberg, I'm with you 99% of the time, but this guy and the messianic movement at large really gets my Spidey senses tingling. He talked a lot about Paul, but never seems to mention how he also warns against the judaizers. And also, according to him we're not bound by the ten commandments, or at least he hinted to something along those lines that we didn't directly inherit them and therefore applies indirectly to us???? The Bible is inspired work and if you don't believe that the New Testament applies to all believers and separate "oh well Paul was actually talking to Jews only" is dangerous. Another point is the fact that it seems like these guys condemn Catholics for having traditions, yet thinly veils the messianic revival of traditions as "oh well we're not ACTUALLY commanded to doing these things, it's just an act of holiness". There's another thinly veiled sentiment which is soaked in pride which is "us first". Michael Brown is very guilty of this; if I were to pilot a Christian movement where my ancestry lost their way, I would first thing prioritize humility and thankfulness that worship of the Messiah was preserved by others and not talk about our entitlement.
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Steven. I appreciate your feedback! One thing I would note is that the "us first" mentality you mentioned doesn't come from pride, but from Scripture. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile" (Rom 1:16). And "There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile" (Rom 2:9-10). And notice that Jesus' mission was first to the Jews (Matt. 10:6, 15:24), and then to the Gentiles (Matt 28:19-20; Acts 1:8). And Paul frames salvation in an Israel-centric way: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if [Israel's] transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!" (Rom 11:11-12). Jesus said, "Salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22). This doesn't mean that Jews are more important or more loved than Gentiles. "For God does not show favoritism" (Rom 2:11). In the same way that you cannot have a marriage without both a husband and a wife, we cannot have the body of Christ without both Jews and Gentiles. And in the same way that a father loves all his children, our Father loves both Jews and Gentiles. That said, the Bible does tell us in no uncertain terms that Jews have a special place as the "firstborn" of God's family. (And, BTW, I write this as a Gentile who is grateful to be adopted in!) Blessings, Rob
@Hammerofheretics989
@Hammerofheretics989 8 ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots thanks so much for the response. I take it in complete charity and understand the framing of my comment could be also seen as resentful or prideful. Maybe I can reframe it in a more christ-centric and concerned brotherly way: In the same way that the least among us is also the greatest, I feel that the messianic Jews also have an apriori duty to beware the mistakes that they have made time and time again and to not fall prey to what Paul very clearly calls a curse. There is no doubt in my mind that people of Jewish descent have a very special place in the body of Christ, but some of Christ's greatest commandments of humility and charity which are made preeminent in the new covenant need to also be paid special attention. It would show a large lack of humility on my part to not make clear that I pray for the conversation and salvation of the Jewish people. I'm only speaking out of concern from many talks that I've listened to that sound like mistakes just waiting to be repeated. One last thing: we are all heirs according to the promises made to Abraham, as we are all one in Jesus Christ. The promise was made to Abraham's offspring, one, Jesus. We all have a place in the body of Christ, and the rhetoric that I'm seeing used in some messianic circles is simply pride. To quote something unbiblical, but still worth considering " It was through pride that the Devil became the Devil: Pride leads to every other vice." - C. S. Lewis.
@torahsoldier23
@torahsoldier23 7 ай бұрын
I really don't get it, how much do these evangelicals lie CONSTANTLY! He is talking about commandments but he is violating the commandment Not to lie. Everyone can listen when he brings up Deuteronomy 16,16 . So now, show us that states in this verse that we are not supposed or it's not allowed to celebrate the feast ANYWHERE ELSE! Go on will wait....and do me a favour - stop lying! Do you truly believe that you can substantiate your Christians theology/ doctrine with LIES.?
@Road2Redeemer
@Road2Redeemer 7 ай бұрын
Deut 16:16 says that Israelite males must "appear before the Lord your God at the place that he will choose." That place was originally a mobile tabernacle, and then it became the permanent location of the Temple in Jerusalem. If you are not appearing at that "place," then you are not fulfilling the commandment. Likewise, the passage says that you are not to appear empty-handed but rather to give to the Lord as you are able. That is reference to the animal sacrifices that accompany each of the aliyah festivals. As we read earlier in Deut 16:5-6, it is forbidden to offer Passover sacrifices outside of "the place." Deut 12:17-19 says the same about other offerings. Therefore, offerings must be given in Jerusalem. In sum, if you attempt to celebrate the three aliyah festivals by being outside Jerusalem and not offering the prescribed offerings, you are breaking Deuteronomy 16:16.
@torahsoldier23
@torahsoldier23 7 ай бұрын
@@Road2Redeemer this is the commandment: 114. To appear in the Sanctuary on the festivals (Deut. 16:16) (affirmative). . So, 16,16 ,does say, if the Sanctuary is in Yerushalaim, you have to appear at the sanctuary on the festivals. It doesn’t say you can not celebrate the festivals anywhere else. The opposite, check this out: 112. To celebrate the festivals [Passover, Shavuot and Sukkot] (Ex. 23:15) (affirmative). 15You shall observe the festival of unleavened bread; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread as I have commanded you, at the appointed time of the month of springtime, for then you left Egypt, and they shall not appear before Me empty handed. 113. To rejoice on the festivals (Deut. 16:14) . 14And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities. It is forbidden to do sacrifices outside the Sanctuary on Passover absolutely, but it doesn’t mean that it is not allowed to celebrate Passover , right? See commandment 112 and 113! So stop twisting around dude! You can live in a world full of lies- I don't care,but don't talk to me as like someone who knows better than me- you don't!
@Road2Redeemer
@Road2Redeemer 7 ай бұрын
@@torahsoldier23 A few points in response: 1. You have added "if the sanctuary is in Yerushalaim" to Deuteronomy 16:16, which contains no conditional statement like that. You have added a conditional "if" to the verse, thus adding to the Torah. Instead, the verse says that when the Aliyah festivals come on the calendar, Israelite must celebrate them in Jerusalem. Just like if you get a jury summons that tells you to be in a certain place at a certain time, you cannot show up at a different place at the same time and say "I fulfilled my jury summons." There is nowhere in the Torah where it says, "If there's no Temple at the place the Lord will choose, you don't have to do the festivals there." To interpret the verses as conditional like that is to add to the Torah. 2. You're not reading the Torah the way it is put together. Exodus has commandments to celebrate the festivals, but it does not have any specificity about the location. Deuteronomy was given 40 years later (Deut 1:3) with ADDED specificity: you must celebrate the festivals in the appointed place, which would eventually be Jerusalem. Thus, you cannot follow Exodus by looking at Exodus alone: you must fulfill the requirements of Exodus by celebrating the festivals in the location required by Deuteronomy. So, I repeat my point: if you are an Israelite male and you celebrate Passover outside Jerusalem with no sacrificial animals, you are breaking the Torah at Deuteronomy 16:16.
@torahsoldier23
@torahsoldier23 7 ай бұрын
@@Road2Redeemer Deuteronomy 16, 14And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your CITIES. This is your Jesus speaking, right? Cause you believe he is God, right? Do you contradict your God and Rabbi? Case closed!
@Road2Redeemer
@Road2Redeemer 7 ай бұрын
@@torahsoldier23 The next verse literally says that they are supposed to celebrate in the place the Lord will choose. Thus, the reference to "within your cities" is not describing the location of the celebration, but rather the places in which the people reside and must vacate in order to celebrate Sukkot. In other words, all people in all your cities must leave and celebrate Sukkot in the place the Lord will choose. Passover and Shavuot only require adult males to vacate their cities and celebrate in Jerusalem. For Sukkot, everyone must do so!
@simonskinner1450
@simonskinner1450 8 ай бұрын
It is hard to defend the Biblical roots of Christianity when it divorced from it's roots in the 2nd century. We must keep the covenant laws of Abraham, and the temple polity of Moses has gone to heaven, with a new covenant allowing forgiveness in Christ. The reason for confusion is that the covenant of Moses co-existed with the new covenant for 40 years, which allowed a legitimate choice in Apostolic times as found throughout the NT. I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' bringing the truth, which is complicated, but agreed on by Jesus, Paul and John.
@johnmann8659
@johnmann8659 8 ай бұрын
@simonskinner1450 The Abrahamic Covenant is the ritual of circumcision plus the deed to the land of Israel. Genesis 17:1-14 Psalm 105:8-11 Christianity is legitimate and God's path for the nations. Psalm 147:19-20 Romans 2:14, Romans 9:4 Acts 15:5-20 Acts 21:25
@simonskinner1450
@simonskinner1450 8 ай бұрын
@@johnmann8659 My friend the two statements you made must be integrated. I see you have them separate which sort of makes my point. Just think, Abraham obeyed God's laws, but Moses sees no need to publish them, the reason why is the law given to Abraham is an option to those under the law of Moses, as found in Deuteronomy. If Christianity had linked to Abraham then everyone would know the law of Abraham is thf law of Christ. The Abrahamic covenant is the pouring out of the Spirit.
@johnmann8659
@johnmann8659 8 ай бұрын
@@simonskinner1450 If you don't mind, provide the verses you're referring to so that I can read them.
@simonskinner1450
@simonskinner1450 8 ай бұрын
@@johnmann8659 I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' with all the necessary verses.
@johnmann8659
@johnmann8659 8 ай бұрын
@@simonskinner1450 No, verses related to your previous post above about the Abrahamic Covenant, law of Christ, etc.
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