Jill Duggar exposes Heartbreaking Details About Her Adult Siblings Lives Under Jim Bob’s Control

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Jill Duggar revealed that her adult siblings are so controlled by their father that they are unable to make major life choices without his consent. This includes where they live, work, and how many kids they have. Unable to reach them, She spoke out on a podcast hoping they will hear her
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[@WithoutACrystalBall]

For those saying permits are not required in Arkansas - this is categorically false. They live in NW Arkansas in one the most populated counties in the state. They live next to the landfill and are not rural. Permits are required for building and living. Anna was moved out of the warehouse by DCFS because the warehouse was not permitted for occupancy for her or the kids - thanks!

[@lilinorman3656]

I hear ya. Why would it be ok to have no building permits? Idk where some people get their information.

[@janeaustin9540]

@@danisouris3429Where I live, there are no permits required. So it does still exist, just not in Tonitown, apparently.

[@judyp.6753]

We built a house in Canyon Lake, Texas in 2018, a half mile from the lake and not in an HOA. The only permits required were for the septic and driveway. Zero permits needed for anything else! It’s literally the wild west anything goes.

[@joycelloyd2504]

Pop😅😊😊😂

[@aleigha9141]

We built a house here in Northern New York back in 1993 and it was the same for us as you described. We could not move in until we had running water, electricity, proper septic system (it was in the country so well water and septic), and were given a certificate of occupancy by the county and town. This was after inspections by the electric company and water company etc. oh and also the heat source had to be inspected. Construction went over by about a month. I would say in almost all cases they never finish construction on time. You would’ve thought the show would have taken that into consideration 🤷‍♀️

[@layneyancey4619]

I have a daughter who just turned 6 and a 1yr old son. I CANNOT imagine handing off my baby to my 6yr old! Thats insane. She is a child.

[@70sladyalways25]

That’s because YOU are a very responsible mother and I bet you are a wonderful mother!😊

[@theresadowns3457]

Jessica is on the road to this behavior

[@RoyalDuggars]

My d has the older one sit with baby while she pees--that's it! Not even for a shower--a pee with the door wide open

[@amyprince600]

​@@theresadowns3457 Jessa

[@Zumcho]

It is, but it's also really common in some cultures. Not saying it's right though.

[@sallyjohnson]

I'm still proud as punch that Jill has the strength to be as open as she has.

[@nanasewdear]

She's doing so well. Jill was such a people pleaser and standing up for herself is such a major victory.

[@janethayes-anderson2683]

Her and Jinger are telling it hopefully the 4 younger girls can get free along with Jana

[@homewithkayla2031]

Helping with a younger sibling is one thing…but the level of responsibility the Duggar sisters had is so different 😢

[@lennicorser2553]

Not to mention being charged taxes for the care your parents gave. Shocking

[@vblackwell3347]

They were definitely co-parenting. Basically, babies raising babies.😢

[@carblarson8868]

It is so sad that they lost part of childhood. It is amazing that the girls even want children of their own.

[@shellieburgoyne9555]

IKR 😮😮 I don't want to say anything I will regret

[@lucylu6462]

It's parentification and is a form of emotional neglect. They didn't get a childhood with that level of responsibility

[@RestingBeachFace]

The best way to control people is to keep them ignorant. Educated people are not as easy to manipulate. This applies here because the “education” they received was designed to control, not educate.

[@kristinahuckabee9737]

Exactly 💯!

[@SmilingBeaver-ou7nc]

Agreed✌️

[@PB-dq9gi]

Bill Gothard's IBLP/ATI cult is opposed to getting a college education, especially for women. They want obedient, brainwashed followers who will not use critical thinking skills. lest their victims see what a massive scam their cult is. I know from firsthand experience. The IBLP-believing "Christian Growth Ministries" cult that I stumbled into as a young woman yanked me out of college. I finally got my college degree when I was in my 60's. I hope some day Jill will also be able to get a college degree.

[@davidallisonisaac]

Many People are easily manipulated through education

[@mollyb4541]

🎯Nailed it!!! So so true!!!

[@kristinahuckabee9737]

I worked with someone who said very early in season 1 that the older kids were raising the younger ones. She was more correct than any of us knew.

[@juliery63]

It was pretty obvious what was going on. I've known non religious people with a dozen or more kids and that's what they do too. One adult can't be totally supervising a dozen or more kids alone. They have the kids all helping the much younger kids. We live in a densely Amish populated area and they have as many kids as they can give birth to. One family we know currently has 18 kids and they do the same thing. Obviously one adult can't be taking care of 18 kids on her own, plus cleaning house, doing all the laundry, cooking, gardening etc. They have even really young kids helping doing whatever they're capable of doing, even when that's just crawling around the floor with a damp rag. To them it's totally normal and reasonable, even though it seems outrageous to the rest of us.

[@AngelaVEdwards]

This is known as "parentification" and it's a known form of child abuse. Jill keeps talking about her mother in flowery terms but her mother abused the children by making them parents to their younger siblings.

[@ElizabethGomez-qb3ft]

I'm sure she'll get where you are in time. My thoughts are is that she needs to hold on to an image of her mother as a lesser bad guy because mentally she's not prepared to deal with the truth yet and she's protecting herself.

[@valeriemoran842]

Jill is entitled to her memories and viewpoint thar I suspect will continue to evolve over time.

[@07Flash11MRC]

True. Her mom is just as bad as her dad, just in a different way.

[@imzadi83fanvids7]

Hearing her try to defend her mother by saying she (Mom) "helped" is just sad. Like no, at six years old you should've been the one "helping" by handing their real Mom a diaper or watching the baby in the playpen for two minutes while their mom went to the bathroom. Not raising your younger sibling at six years old.

[@tamaraliscia3408]

Perhaps she knows her Mom is JB's first victim, even if she doesn't say it publically? Even reading the letter from JB, to me is his ongoing way to control Michelle. She clearly has no autonomy, and in her secret moments may mourn that. I think Jill is balancing honesty and transparency with respect ... therapy has taught her how to do that. If she came out in full-blown anger, she would come across as bitter and vengeful, and probably not seen as credible.

[@TheMizzouMama]

Michelle said on 19K&C that she kept the babies until they were weaned, and then the baby got a buddy to take care of them. I distinctly remember that.

[@foofookachoo1136]

Wonder what the average age was, when she weaned them? Did she happen to say??

[@jostreet214]

@@foofookachoo1136 Looking at the age differences can give you a guide, but also I remember that when Michelle got pregnant again and her milk dried up was the reason for the wean.

[@foofookachoo1136]

@@jostreet214 👍. THANKS!!

[@reneebeausheur523]

6 months, i remember Michell saying tbats when she woukd be pregnant again Usually ​@foofookachoo1136

[@vblackwell3347]

Since she was pregnant every nine months, it couldn't have been long - or often. 😢x​@@foofookachoo1136

[@lilinorman3656]

Absolutely right Katie. I'm in Missouri and there's no damn way to can move into a house that is not done without occupancy permit and all buildings permits. Jim Bob duggar makes me sick. I can't stand his smug hypocritical mug!

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Many people are saying they are rural and there aren’t laws. That’s 100% false. I’m very aware of the laws in Washington county. This is not a rural county nor is Tontitown super rural. They’re next to Fayetteville and Springdale and have laws for permits

[@sherrynusbaum5913]

But Jim Bob only cares about money and total control, I hope it lands him in prison someday!

[@AprilW-ls6bd]

People that live near and around them say that they are not liked . They say Jimbob is one snooty man. He's rich now and he don't care ! As long as his cult continues to be run his way and only his way !

[@jsimp4050]

I have always encouraged autonomy and self reliance in my children. I don’t want to dictate their life choices. If they ask I can give my opinion, but successful adulting must include self confidence! It seems the father is really robbing his children of a full life.

[@jodiuhron1979]

I agree. What do they all think will happen when he passes away someday and no one knows how to truly live as adults because they’ve always depended on and obeyed Daddy? Does he think he’s immortal? Regardless of their religious beliefs on obeying/honoring their parents, part of growing up is making your own decisions and sometimes going against your parents’ opinions. Sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. These “kids” won’t know how to make those decisions on their own.

[@PB-dq9gi]

That is what the cult wants-unquestioning, obedient followers.@@jodiuhron1979

[@vblackwell3347]

He probably thinks he's made a non- breakable deal w/ the devil to outlive them. yikes

[@bflogal18]

I raised my four children to be successful, independent individuals. While they may still share a problem or ask for advice, they certainly don’t need anyone’s permission. It’s no wonder that men like Derrick and Jeremy have balked at this type of authority!

[@kierraogden6771]

My oldest daughter is almost 6… yeah….no…. Let them be kids they are still babies!

[@heatherhumphrey3222]

One of the things (of the many) that bothers me about Jim Bob is he taught his girls they were under the his umbrella of protection because he was the head of their family & when they got married their husband would be the head of their family and and they would be under their husband's umbrella. That never happened. Jim Bob never gave up his control and took control of the husbands too.

[@teamcougars]

I’m saddened by the amount of control and expectations that were put on the Duggar children yet they swept Josh’s sick behaviors under the rug 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@vblackwell3347]

How would know better? They were raised to view him as the infallible Supreme Leader.

[@KB-nr3ls]

​@@vblackwell3347 team cougars mean JimBob & his wife swept Josh's behaviors under the rug--not the other children.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Anything to protect men from being held accountable for their actions.

[@AprilW-ls6bd]

I remember a episode where one of the girls was 100 percent in charge of making a very large chart of medications for all the kids and what time of day they had to take meds and how many times a day and night to pass out the meds to all the kids. Almost every kid was sick in the house . She was like a charge nurse in a hospitail ward. Another time Jimbob and Michaell left a baby that had special needs , they went on a vacation.( the last child Michaell gave birth to ) left the older girls in charge of everything. The baby had a siezure or something , Jana was on the phone crying for medical help. It looked like that child was about to die .

[@amyprince600]

Josie is that child.

[@akeilabriana8659]

I remember Michelle and Jim Bob in a very early season saying they do not force their girls to wear skirts ever they let them choose and then one of the girls saying they don’t aren’t forced they just choose to wear skirts to be more modest, and I always knew that was a load of bullshit

[@vblackwell3347]

Imo, pants are more modest under some circumstances. Seems nothing turned Josh away.

[@alexpeltier3330]

I only had one sibling, so I didn’t have to help with them, but my mom loved and fostered dogs. So from age 12-college, I trained, raised, walked, cleaned, medicated, and fed dinner to up to three large dogs at once, sometimes puppies. My mom only saw them on weekends and gave them breakfasts. I was twice as old as Jill and not dealing with, you know, a human, and even still it could be hard. The barking, the messes, and protecting them from my dad when he had an anger problem. I can’t imagine the stress for Jill. Also, JB is in real estate and has labor and skills. You’re telling me he couldn’t at least temporarily rig large water tanks for the house? I have sailed, and though we technically “didn’t” have water, there is an onboard tank system of two 35 gallon tanks. So you have to use buckets and ration a bit, but at least you can flush and wash!

[@cmn6695]

Yes, "Sick" is a good word to describe the Duggar way of controlling their children.

[@vblackwell3347]

Criminal comes to mind too.😮

[@mamaliz63melendez19]

I recently started watching the shiny people and it is insane what these girls go through. I can't believe how these adults can do this.

[@valeriemoran842]

No one with any common sense who has watched the Duggar saga unfold thinks Jill is a "liar." That title definitely goes to JimBob.

[@thenortheastcity2317]

I thought it was illegal anywhere to move into a house without running water etc as well. And with children? That’s their welfare.

[@beedeegee9374]

Just thinking about that number of people sharing a Port-A-Potty, makes me sick. I guess Jim Bob was way to cheap to at least get 1 for the girls and 1 for the boys!

[@juliery63]

​@@beedeegee9374i live in a densely Amish populated area and they have no indoor plumbing at all. They have outhouses, not even anything with chemicals and many of them have just as many kids. They live their entire lives that way. No running water at all. They only have wells with manual water pumps and in the dead of winter go outside and pump a bucket or buckets of water they then have to heat on wood burning stoves to wash dishes, clothing, and to bathe in. They bathe from youngest to oldest using the same water. In some of the larger families they have more water heating so they can split it in two batches, especially in the summer when they're more dirty with all the outdoor work. I don't know how they do it. But I guess if that's all you've ever known it seems normal.

[@Pagan_Heart]

Very interesting to have this confirmed. Thank you for a great video. I have read Jill's book & applauded it. It took immense bravery, strength & determination to speak out in such an unprecedented way. However, when writing, anything, you create a one-sided conversation where you have total control but when face-to-face or under public scrutiny that dynamic changes into a dual where you can be made vulnerable by manipulation & devious semantics. Therefore, not only do I not blame Jill for refusing to talk about Josh at all I believe it's the right approach as it takes away the focus she wants to present. In fairness, what possible explanation can she offer for his behaviour & criminal activity anyway? She has already publicly condemned his sick & nefarious activities & shown her utter disgust at them so, IMO. further discussion is, in fact, pointless. There is also value in attempting to *reason* with Jim Slob - how can she reason with such a horribly unreasonable & untruthful man? If there's one thing I've learned in life (at my ripe old age) it's that not only are you likely to be unsuccessful in taking to task such a master manipulator as JB but even more likely receive nothing but grief for doing so. Jill is not the one who broke the law, her behaviour has been & remains, exemplary. Josh is *not* her problem & it's likely she just wants to move on with her life as much as possible. I have to say that what I find truly remarkable is her courage & the conviction it must have taken to make such a huge leap forward into the unknown - a world that she has been taught only to fear. Hurray for Jill!!! And Derrick!!

[@vblackwell3347]

I'm not crazy about Derrick but I think he's been a literal life-saver for her. He dragged her out of that swamp.

[@WaterWitcher]

I was raised in this cult. I’m an adult and still have Nightmare’s as do many of my siblings. This was too painful to watch because I’ve lived the actual horror. Anyone considering this way of life, run. It will destroy everything. You won’t have a huge healthy happy family. Please don’t get involved with IBLP/ATI/Duggars/southern Baptist/quiverfull. It is darker than you can possibly imagine.

[@lyndahoward5944]

Southern Baptist does not mean you are a part of this craziness. I've never known of ANY families with this size or structure in 50 years of church life.

[@WaterWitcher]

@@lyndahoward5944 lucky you. My dad was an ordained “Southern Baptist Minister.” …. Wait for the movie.

[@amyprince600]

​@@lyndahoward5944Thank you! I grew up Southern baptist, and we don't do any of this. For anyone to think otherwise is ignorant and insulting.

[@melderkson5462]

Southern Baptist is so similar to iblp!

[@amyprince600]

@@melderkson5462 a statement like that is why I mentioned ignorance. You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Southern Baptist is not at all like the IBLP.

[@njb1814]

My husband was a building inspector, you cannot move into a new home until you have a CO, (certificate of occupancy). Now he's a builder, you can't close on your home until you get a CO. That's crazy to have the kids have to use the bathroom in a port-a-potty.

[@janeaustin9540]

Where I live there are no building inspectors, building permits or building codes. Do not everywhere requires these things. The only thing that needs inspected is a well and sewage system - but you are not required to have either. There are still hundreds of people in my county who have water delivered by a water buffalo.

[@shellyjohnson8491]

I was a baby sitter starting at about 12 but i was terrible!! My sister's and i joke about it all the time all the mistakes we all made while babysitting. Not sure why people trusted me at that age. 😂 We've built a couple of additions and you can't live in it until you get the final inspection done.

[@peggyknecht5551]

I babysat when I was younger, too. But, this is a whole other level of responsibility. I used to babysit my cousins' babies when I was seven, but my mom helped me. Now, that I think about it I wasn't the one babysitting. My mom was. I just helped her. I didn't do it by myself. This system of handing a baby off to a child the age of six, is insane.

[@karencollins2661]

Jill I am so happy you are free.

[@christiejensen1606]

JB had the older kids help build the house. Instead of paying for a construction company build the house he had his underage doing work that only professionals do

[@foofookachoo1136]

@@buffys3477YES!! I heard that yrs and yrs ago!!

[@vblackwell3347]

​@@buffys3477 To get finished. How nice of TLC. I guess they didn't want their planned schedule interrupted.

[@bayonnealice7540]

My in laws built a house in a rural area. First week, no water. Well wasn't hooked up yet. Granted, they were two adults, no kids in the house. I'm sure if there were still kids in the home my mother in law would of made other arrangements

[@SuzanneKilbane]

I quit watching that show because one of the kids were 10 years old and was responsible for all the laundry- I remember this little child in a room with multiple washers and dryers . It was ridiculous to expect this child to handle laundry for the family- it was disgusting- all I saw was Michelle sitting around and the kids were doing all the household work and taking care of their” buddies “ ( the children assigned to them )

[@krisirolfe4332]

And did you note that JB is nowhere to be found - even training the boys how to be godly men ??

[@RebeccaLunsford-qe2kt]

It's all very twisted especially how Jim Bob keeps trying to defend all of this.

[@kaitlinciccarello72]

I do think for now easing into the truth behind reality is what is best; it’s absolutely frustrating to not know all the answers but at the same time I think Jill is being smart about preserving a relationship (if she wants) with siblings. If she went about this guns blazing not only would credibility come into question but it would be a scorched earth situation with her family (in my opinion).

[@cynthiaconner8601]

At 6, I was in first grade trying to be a good student. (I needed glasses and no one knew until I was 11). I took ballet. I went to Brownies. I attended Sunday School. I sometimes had accidents in my pants. I needed my Mom when I thought a monster was in the closet or under the bed. My baby sister was born when I was 6. I couldn't imagine taking care of her. I did run to get adults/Mom when the baby cried.

[@auntieali9529]

I was a primary caregiver for my newborn brother at age 3 1/2. My Evangelical parents called raising children "womens's work" so my father was hands off. My mother had a mental break when my brother was six months old, I'm the only reason he survived it. It's called being parentified, when they turn a child into a parent.

[@vblackwell3347]

31/2? Is that impossible? Are you sure about the age? Is your bro ok?

[@auntieali9529]

Yup, I watched him come out of my mother. I have a very good memory, not to mention my parents love telling the story about me carring him around at 1 day old much to the shock of our Pastor and his wife. My father likes to brag about how mature I was for my age, I'm all somebody had to be mature Bro. Like I said, my brother lived, thanks to me. It didn't really hit me until I was 36 and my nephew was 3 and they (my brother and his wife) wouldn't even let him touch his baby sister much less be alone with her. I would "babysit" my less than 6 month old brother outside the bathroom while my parents showered. @@vblackwell3347

[@auntieali9529]

I am sure I was 3 1/2 when he was born, still 3 1/2 years older. @@vblackwell3347

[@mflong100]

I don’t think asking the victims to talk about Josh is a good thing to do. Hill makes it clear in the book that she felt revictimized when asked about Josh. It’s a sensitive interviewer that avoids that topic.

[@oldtiredm53]

2 weeks without water IS a long time. Brushing teeth, washing face, changing a baby, cooking, going to the bathroom, bathing!!!!!!!

[@bridgetbruso5924]

I wonder if JimBob is trying to do damage control by letting Jill and Derrick come to Christmas. By now I am sure the older siblings have read the book and it will get to the younger ones eventually. He can't control what the book says but if he lets Jill and Derrick at the Tator Tot Mansion for Christmas he can control how the littles perceive that.

[@nursemarie4819]

Tator tot mansion 😂😂😂

[@vblackwell3347]

TLC has shown over & over & over that among the least of their concerns is the wellfare or safety of children. Ratings & profits rule supreme.

[@rayleeeastlick745]

The Honesty is not with this family!

[@brandy4530]

I just don’t understand what JB thinks is going to happen to these people. His son can’t live in the tree house forever. At some point JB will get old and die. Then what will happen to these people? I grew up in a very controlling family, not nearly this controlling though. I remember not really being able to make decisions when I first moved out, and I was 24 years old. These people will probably be closer to middle age. This family has always been very sickening, but watching how these people’s lives have been wasted by JB is monstrous.

[@annhett]

I never thought of michele as nurturing

[@karenkennelly7206]

Me either!!

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

It seems like Jill's definition of "nurturing" is quite a low bar when it comes to her mother. However, Jill herself seems like a truly nurturing person.

[@merrylassa2046]

My mom built their home near the top of a mountain in AR. They moved from the shed into it when they got a bedroom and kitchen done. No electricity. Water came from a spring uphill from there brought down with a hose. They had an outhouse or used a chamber pot. Used the heating stove or the barbecue to cook food on or heat water. When the house, was finished, it had 2 bathrooms, 3 bedrooms plus a loft. A full kitchen with large dinning room, living room and a large patio. The only thing they had someone else do and was the electricity. That was the only inspection ever done on place. They built it in the 80's. 1980's that is.

[@aaguilar1962]

This horrific this is hell my heart breaks for The duggar kids especially the girls

[@alicef128]

I cannot imagine not seeing my dad for a year. Yes we built our house too, we live in Arkansas. We do not live in the city, so that may be why but no one came to inspect before we moved in. We didn’t move in before everyone was in working order though. Our insurance agent came and inspected it, that was it. Also, we’ve helped our kids out quite a bit financially. They do have their own homes. I can’t imagine living like the duggars. Talk about Bassackwards.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

They live in the city

[@mimis105dobbins3]

My Daddy used to say bassackwards lol

[@bettylougreen6987]

Adult children don’t move out until they are married. Doesn’t matter the age, you don’t leave until you’re married. Imagine having to ask your father before having children. You get a job offer far away, but you can’t take it. Umbrella of authority means father is in charge, forever.

[@AprilW-ls6bd]

Jimbob expects to run his grown children's marriages all the way down to how many kids they have . He's a sick man. His kids are suppose to have kids untill they can't have kids no more . He tells them that !

[@susanoakeshauf]

So gross.

[@willowzoey3096]

I can't even begin to imagine saying hey Mom, Dad, I have 2 children and I think that is all I want to have, Is that Ok??? or Mom, Dad we have decided we do not wish to have children, since I already raised many of yours...lol

[@cheryleaston6820]

I have built a home and until you get a certificate of occupation you can not move into the house. And we were delayed a week because they didnt like the door from the house leading into the garage because it didnt swing the proper way. So either Jimbob was paying under the table or AK is very laxed in inspections. I do not know anyone who was allowed to move into a home they built without running water or a toilet that flushed, thats a health violation. So someone was paying someone.

[@justd4377]

Six seems awfully young to care for an infant. When my daughter was a toddler I had a young girl who was 9 or 10 who would come to my house to play with my daughter to keep her entertained while I got things done, but I was always present and the girl was paid. But it was only for 2 to 3 hours at a time, once a week. She definitely was not ready to be unsupervised or care for a child all day.

[@bridgetdrummond1721]

Why in the world would TLC want a family of 18 to move into a house without running water. That is just ruthless of TLC and of JimBob. It would have been more comfortable for the family to continue in their cramped quarters with running water for another two weeks.

[@stacywesley9547]

In northern MN, if you are building your own home and the build is not contracted out, you can move into it whenever you want. We lived in the country, so there were no city ordinances to follow.

[@christenmarzilli5729]

Yes! We had to have a complete inspection before we could move into our home when we built!

[@aileenkelly4641]

I built 2 houses and 3 restaurants and every one required a certification of occupancy before we could move in the houses. Same with the restaurant. Had to be inspected with everything in it of course but the fire department issued the occupancy permit because they determined how many people we could have in the restaurant. Jim Bob lucked out and TLC paid for the house and furniture and food if I remember correctly

[@christinemyers9341]

So did Josh need permission from his dad for the pornography?

[@kristinahuckabee9737]

Precisely! Although, Jim Bob has always given me the creeps. I think he is every bit as twisted and sick as Josh is. It boggles the mind what Jim Bob has perpetrated against innocent people.

[@reneegoodin1317]

Good question,..

[@jackmoore337]

100%. His dad is a perv and likely paedo.

[@donnarupert4926]

The home 🏡 probably didn’t have a certificate of occupancy!!!

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

It did not

[@TheCaliReadingTeacher]

Agree completely! 😢

[@quincydoodle]

Same here, the county has to close all permits and give certificates of occupancy in order to close on the property w And then move in

[@Teenytinybudget]

I was one of 8 kids. We always loved when a new baby came and really enjoyed helping and playing with our younger siblings. My mom never expected us to help out in a large capacity. We did help out in some ways like doing some chores around the house and assisting younger siblings. But it was never OUR responsibilities to ensure our younger siblings were getting the care and attention they needed. That was my parents’ job. If I ever had that many kids I would do it the same way. Everyone would lend a helping hand to make things work but it would never be my childrens’ responsibility to ensure the others were getting their needs met, that would by my job and my husband’s. Being a parent is not easy but there are ways to get help without burdening your other children.

[@karlaweaver8018]

Love the un- planned podcast,Love Mat and Abby. Gald they had Jill and Derrick on.

[@cindybrannen6597]

Though Michelle’s identity was a Uber mm because she birthed so many babies, she always seem very detached from her kids. Thus, the passing off of the babies to the buddies. That’s reckless and awful.

[@christyfox1477]

The scary thing is if anything happens to Jim Bob. That would mean Josh would have control of the family.

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

As the eldest son, he would feel entitled to it. In such a scenario, would John-David have the balls to challenge him? (Please don't think that I support this patriarchal primogeniture [first-born] thing. I'm just speculating.)

[@susanboston4882]

I'll bet JB has legally designated another cult member to handle his "legacy."

[@robynwilliams5928]

I absolutely helped with younger cousins, siblings. But not until I was about 10.

[@Contessa6363]

In psychology it is called parentification. And it is quite damaging to the child who is forced to take on the role of the "adult"

[@hiddencreekgardensbethmcmi3720]

Building permits are different state to state.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

They aren’t different in Northwest Arkansas

[@lromero9249]

My husband and I have built 2 homes. The first in 2003 and the second one in 2019. Neither one of the homes could be occupied until the homes passed the building inspections by the city and we got the certificate of occupancy. On the second home, most of the interior doors were still on back order when the house was otherwise complete and ready to be inspected. We were able to move in having only 2 of the 4 bedroom doors and 2 bathroom doors. We were still waiting for the doors to the rest of the house. The house felt incomplete for those first 3 weeks that it took to have them delivered.

[@patriciadewees9300]

My husband was a carpenter, and the house we bought needed s lot of work. He added 2 bedrooms, and a laundry room on the main floor. When he finished the inside, we still had to do the siding. We had to have the addition inspected by the plumbing, and electrical inspectors. When they came to inspect, they told us that we could not move into the addition until we finished the vinyl siding.

[@cathydavis7041]

I know I'm old, but at high school sock hops, the chaperones enforced a six inch rule.

[@kimberlycrowley7948]

In our county closed permits only count if you have a mortgage..plenty of people don't pay their water bill and have their water turned off..they are not required to move out...people live without water all of the time...

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

The home wasn’t complete.

[@powderandpaint14]

It's not so much just the water not being on, but not having working toilets etc.

[@bettyb9580]

“The big house” 😂 Funny because that’s also a term used to describe a jail. Ironic. Did they actually beat their kids Katie? 😢

[@foofookachoo1136]

Aaah-your right!! I hadn’t thought of it in that way!! Great connection!!

[@krisirolfe4332]

Did you not see the episode where Michelle hit one of the boys???

[@nanasewdear]

I remember the old shows where Michelle claimed that wearing pants was up to each girl. This was obviously false. It's hard to imagine so many women putting up with this toxic patriarchy.

[@r.j.bgagne4023]

My late husband and I built our house in 1992 here in CT. We had to have a certificate of occupancy from the local housing inspector before we were allowed to move in. It took longer than expected, because our well water was not passing the tests for how many gallons per minute ( it had to be hydrofracted) and there was bacteria in the new well. So it had to be treated with Chlorine and pass the 2 tests before we could get our CO.

[@RoyalDuggars]

"Omissions of truth" lol do you mean "lies"??

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

I mean kind of. I have noticed all the Duggar kids lie. They grew up being taught how to lie

[@rayleeeastlick745]

I don't trust TLC!

[@racheld7528]

If someone came up to me and said “my kid wrote this book, don’t read it it’s full of lies”. That would probably make me more interested. Especially given that they already had 1 daughter write a book and been in the headlines for their perv son in prison. I mean with all that going on, who wouldn’t be curious.

[@noellewithane6111]

Only thing is I think that Jim Bob falsely recognizes his success is all because of IBLP.

[@MrsScootsey]

Jill had a story about a month ago on her Instagram that showed Jill, Derrick, Matt and Abby(from the Unplanned podcast) all together so I think it was filmed before Christmas.

[@racheld7528]

That is crazy! We were not allowed to move into our house until everything was hooked up and inspections all done etc!

[@sueellenclement6450]

In reference to moving into a house without water, that falls under state, county and local law issues. I don’t know what the laws are in Arkansas but in Texas, you can easily move into a house without running water or other utilities. We moved into our house before our well was operational. We just ran a water hose from our neighbor’s house so we could flush toilets and take showers we used bottled water for drinking and cooking. Went to the laundromat to do our laundry. But even if we hadn’t had good neighbors who offered to do that, we had other ways to store water to use for showers and flushing toilets

[@nacolabarberis5369]

When they are grown their POC dad needs to buy out. They need to be able to live their lives..

[@Jasmine-dt8ts]

Podcast was filmed about a month before it aired

[@Calcria]

Yeah, that is really really weird about the moving into the house because there was no way they got a certificate of occupancy without all those inspections. I mean, obviously, Arkansas could have different laws, but I’m in Tennessee and I wouldn’t think it would be that different than here. My dad owned the construction company that did my house, and even with some of my special privilege due to that, I couldn’t even move boxes into the garage before the certificate of occupancy came down. The only thought I have is that if they owned that land and that land was not part of the purchase of the home, maybe they were able to fudge the rules that way.

[@racheld7528]

I know Michelle was a teenager when she got engaged and married. But that picture of her, she is just gorgeous. I’ve seen a few of their wedding day and it’s the same thing. She is beautiful!

[@michellesunshinestar]

OMG, what if it was an outhouse? Our cabin had an old outhouse and then a newer outhouse. We didn't get plumbing until we had the cabin rebuilt.

[@ARhippychick]

Living out in the county and not in city limits, we didn't have to have the permits but I only had one kid and we had running water but did start staying in part of the house and camped out for 6 weeks until it was finished.

[@carischultz5441]

The 6 inch rule..legit! That’s how I grew up and it was strictly followed. That was part of the teachings that our family held to. Also on any school trip for sports the guys and girls were split up and they still would so “hand checks”.the lights would pop on and we all had to hold our hands in the air. This was also how it was at college.

[@vblackwell3347]

Wow. No trust, huh? So sorry!

[@heatherren858]

I did a modified buddy system with my three children. My oldest looked out for the middle, my middle looked out for my oldest and the baby was in charge of the two older. The kids would play outside and look after each other. I would check on them every 10 minutes. But with my kids looking out for each other, I didn’t worry as much about them outdoors. I also set up cones as a visual reminder of where thier boundary line was for playing. Worked out well for me. When we did trips to the zoo etc. We would do a buddy system ( usually the two oldest looked after each other, while I kept the baby close to me). It worked out well as it gave my kids a sense of responsibility for each other and made my job taking 3 kids on outings much easier. Never would I have expected my older children to raise my younger children. Unfortunately, my middle child did take on a “mother” role with her older brother and younger sister when I was very ill with cancer. I did not want or encourage that behavior .

[@christinedickerson8746]

They recorded the podcast before Christmas! Jill posted a video on Dec 16th on Instagram of them doing the podcast.

[@HennyMusgrove]

As someone who grew up fundie- yes there’s often some version of the “6 inch rule” but it’s more like a thing people say, or a rule that’s brought up if adults are unhappy with something the couple did, rather than a rule that’s strictly enforced at all times

[@Original1124]

We built in Texas - out in the country and no mortgage so we were able to move in before a bank would ever allow & no codes like you have in a city. We had water and all the things … just knobs and some garage painting and such was still being done - but we were our own contractor and did a lot of the work ourselves.

[@teresanorris4769]

I think Jill introduced her youngest child to her dad when he picked up Michelle, when they went home from the hospital. Jill said that in a post about her mom being at the birth. I think that was the first time she spoke to her father in a long time. Michelle asked if it was OK if JimBob came to pick her up at their house.

[@monicakelloway3953]

To hear all these stories about JimBob, I’d say they are living in a cult system which is so wrong. To have so many kids and allowing 6 years and up took away their childhood. So sad but proud that some are standing up against this.

[@dalithecat]

About the house building thing: we’re building a house in Oklahoma that isn’t covered by any governing body that issues permits. That means there are no permits along the way (you deal with this by hiring inspectors), and you could move in at any time (as long as you’re not in the way of the workers, of course). But it’s all up to you to be safe. Consequently, some of the houses built up there have MAJOR ISSUES. I could imagine that being the case where the big house is

[@ThriftESaver]

City’s have different rules… building in a rural area, we did not have those requirements… it did get checked by bank to make sure the building loan closed into a mortgage. Unfortunately when I worked in home health services, in our area, MANY people do not have running water

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Please see pinned post

[@2shockvalueauction832]

I can not imagine having my 6 year old care for other younger kids. I am not sure how Jim Bob in his head thoughts, and this was okay. That is not love. He covered up for Josh because that cost him money.

[@harmoniousdesign7785]

What about the most recent time Jinger and Jeremy visited & everyone gathered at Joy’s house? There was a really awkward moment between JB & Jill.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Jill wasn’t there

[@janeaustin9540]

Where I live there are no building inspectors, building permits or building codes. Do not everywhere requires these things. The only thing that needs inspected is a well and sewage system - but you are not required to have either. There are still hundreds of people in my county who have water delivered by a water buffalo.

[@ChristinaNunn40]

I helped to build a house in 2001 (after we lost our previous house to a fire) in unincorporated Texas, and you cannot live legally without running water, septic tank or sewer, etc....although it often isn't reported by neighbors. It's kind of an unreported and unenforced crime here in unincorporated Rendon, TX.

[@starrcrossreardon]

This is Arkansas! We have a homestead without indoor water! Different rules there.

[@footballlvnlady]

Growing up I had two much younger sisters. I was 8 and 11 years older than them. My mom had me babysit my sister when she was 4.5 months. Fed her bottles. I was 11.5 when the youngest came along. I fed, changed diapers and rocked this sister. I babysat both from 12 on. I could not have my daughter watch a child that age. My granddaughters watching a baby at 8 or 11.

[@debbiet.8175]

The "big house" is so poorly designed. All that wasted space on the second floor. TLC must have built it on the cheap.