#JLF2017

[@BhattVihang]

why dr madhushree mukharjee, author of Churchill's Secret war, is not here?

[@victor256in]

because she is not a presstitute

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

She does not fit with the Jaipur crowd.

[@amiyachat]

@@DipakBose-bq1vv Because she called a spade a spade.

[@literarymusings8886]

@@victor256in Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

Subhas Chandra Bose offered to send 100,000 tons of rice from Burma in 1943 but Churchill rejected that.

[@theduke1678]

funny enough, if i was not for him, you'd all be saying the exact opposite and in German.

[@theduke1678]

@Deepak gangwar 1st of all it was some far right politicians that believed in white supremacy 2nd off the empire funnily enough made your country a better place it improved infrastructure brought civilised cultures and we adapted some of yours as well.

[@souravbasu2327]

@the duke If given a choice between famine vs learning German, I would prefer the latter.

[@razraza3183]

@@theduke1678 "civilized cultures", are you referring to starving millions to death , stealing 45 Trillion dollars or Jullianwallah Bagh massacre, Mr. Duke?

[@theduke1678]

@@razraza3183 Lol the most pathetic thing ever, responding to a comment that was made one year ago, lay off it.

[@razraza3183]

@@theduke1678 Truth MUST be told. Truth NEVER dies. History's judgment on British is going to be very very harsh, Mr. Duke. An American

[@akshatsharma7339]

The panel was lopsided britishers seemed to know more about the topic than the indians did. The british points weren't countered well.

[@alter_ep]

Bro, how could you counter any argument starting with "it's complicated" it nullify every argument based on, dots of public speaking.

[@donkeydesiamericanprofessor]

Indians are always uneducated

[@willboudreau1187]

The Indians were ignorant. The Britons were brilliant. With such odds you have to expect a lopsided debate outcome.

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

British have no idea about the history of India, Bengal famine, Gas attack on the Iraqis, Gas attack on Russians, the creation of Israel, and they do not accept the true history.

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

Dipak Basu if Britain really had the wish to kill Indians it would not have waited 100 years for a famine would it

[@SW-wf3gy]

Well actually the British powers knew all that because they orchestrated them, but ordinary brits may not know because the education is dumbing down of people

[@chrish2226]

I didn't know much about Churchill. but ty about the reup.

[@chrish2226]

Brit ww2 hero is a shit hole. fuck what that weird British guy says.

[@Daredevil311-g9l]

One can tell already the indian speakers where selected to be there. If they invited somebody like Shashi Tharoor it would be vastly different

[@jailcoder7011]

Who’s here because of Graffiti in london?

[@hrivaansahani1750]

If Churchell is a hero then I'm Shaktiman!

[@hrivaansahani1750]

@@literarymusings8886 Abe Chutiye me hindu hoon 😂. Apne hi logo ko gali de rahe ho. Me aadha Marathi aur aadha Sikh hoon. Ajeeb ho yaar tum. Churchill ne Hinduon ke bare me kya kya bola hai aur Bharat ke saath kya kya kiya hai in angrezon ne pata bhi hai. Apne 3 se 4 million logon ki jaan chali gayi Churchill ke wajah se. Aise insaan ko tum "JI" kar ke bula rahe ho?

[@literarymusings8886]

@@hrivaansahani1750 Churchill ji nahi hote to aaj Hitler ke successor ya fir krur Japanese logo ke vash me hote , Japanese aaj jaise ache tab nahi the Indonesia me Japanese raaj tha sirf 5 saal ke liye or Indonesia ki population 50 % kam kardi thi

[@literarymusings8886]

@@hrivaansahani1750 Churchill ji bilkul acha likha hai hindusthan ke bare me tujhe padne aata to pata chalta

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@literarymusings8886]

Churchill ji nahi hote to baman raaj hota Matlab Asprushyata , Baal vivaah , sati

[@brianbreen1026]

As for Winston Churchill, he, Churchill recruited and sent into Ireland the Black and Tans and worse the infamous Auxiliary cadets who tortured and murdered innocent unarmed civilians. It backfired on Churchill not least because of the uproar it caused among the British public.

[@prinzdodo]

Churchill was part of British imperialism. Enough said. A hero for whom?

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@literarymusings8886]

A hero for untouchables , Dalits , and every person on this earth except for upper caste Hindus and nazis

[@Arcaryon]

For Europe and the USA.

[@donkeydesiamericanprofessor]

Exactly Churchill was part of the greatest empire ever and good for Indians

[@amiyachat]

Indpite of all the atrocities churchil was responsible to have done British still believe that he wa s a great statesman.This is True nature of THe British intellectuals.Churchill sacked Dayer But conveniently ignored the fact that Millions of ppounds were raised to take Dayer Home together with the Felicitation of THe Person who was responsible for mass murder. The dead soul of Millions of Bengal farmer shall never forgive him.

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

Churchill didn’t cause the famine - it was caused by a cyclone that destroyed transport to the area and the Japanese had invaded Burma. Local grain merchants put up prices and it wasn’t possible to send shipping to the area easily because the Japanese controlled the seas.

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@JrJ2016]

How is this even a legit question ? He was a Villian period.

[@Arcaryon]

Because he wasn’t a villain. He wasn’t exactly a hero of the world either but the issue is that people try to generalise these kinds of topics. He had his shining moments and his dark ones. Case in point, he was and is without a doubt a hero of the modern Europe. He was and is not a hero of India.

[@literarymusings8886]

He saved you from being gassed by hitler

[@acommon1]

Solid discussion.

[@amiyachat]

This conversation is more or less a Patronizing attitude of the British again.

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@roisinmalone3015]

@@literarymusings8886 Nothing good about the British Empire.

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

Facts don’t matter to Indian nationalists

[@marspalk7611]

Curchill was for 1000 years of british empire. SECOND WORLD WAR LIBERATED INDIA AND INDIA WAS LUCKY IN THAT RESPECT. British empire crumbled after the War. Otherwise Indian would be under British now.

[@josephdesouza4573]

The most interesting members in panel are perhaps the Indians. Also the absence of a discussion of Churchill as a war leader is intriguing. One prominent British historian described the consequence of the Battle of Normandy as "the apples of Sodom which turned into dust as soon as they were touched". A telling comment of Churchills claim as a war hero.

[@orionaugustwatson]

If he's the greatest Briton who ever lived,I'm ashamed of being a citizen of United Kingdom

[@brianbreen1026]

Agreed, Winston was against giving any women the vote thus disenfrancising half the population of Britain. Voted the greatest Britain??? Thank God Im not British.

[@anamikadiaries]

Thank you

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

Why? Based on what facts?

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

@@brianbreen1026 this was over 100 years ago! Most men were against women voting. You can’t judge a man on one issue.

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@Scatman051]

A very good conversation!!........but Swapan - ostensibly a nationalist, but keeps on struggling to imitate the Englishmen's English - style, tone, tenor and texture (in an exclusive package) was surprisngly toned down. It seems he is now well settled as a parliamentarian!! Good for him. Was it not his goal? Bet, it was!!

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@DavidGS66]

Here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, our main city square is called Churchill Square, the train station, Churhill LRT Station, and there's a big Churchill statue in the LRT station. The Bengal Famine of 1943 was a big mistake because otherwise, the last great Indian famine would have been the 1898-1901 famine. The British instead of modern India could have claimed they ended the famines. Now they have to explain famines starting with the Great Bengal Famine of 1770 and ending with the Bengal Famine of 1943, followed by partition violence.

[@sourabhdhanuka2252]

The partition violence are not to be blamed on the British

[@themaverick7707]

David Canadine looks so pissed and irate.

[@alter_ep]

Someday, someone will argue on behalf of Adolf Hitler too, only difference is he gave up on painting.

[@mahabharat4985]

Are chutya logo eglish me ye debate band karo hindi me karo na.

[@roisinmalone3015]

The British making excuses about famines they are responsible for Again.

[@samuramphal9678]

We now know Churchill was a psycopath, cant see him as a hero.

[@onetwothreefourfive12345]

why??

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

What is your evidence for that ridiculous comment?

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@samuramphal9678]

@@literarymusings8886 check Dr.S tharoor.

[@anamikadiaries]

Villain offcourse, do we still need to discuss this? You can't just say he was product of his time ... Other British officers in India who were his contemporary found him extreme as well... We don't hate him for his views, we hate him for causing death of 4 millions innocent Indians .

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning

[@literarymusings8886]

You would have been married at the age of 5 if there was no empire !

[@marspalk7611]

Swapan is appeaser to british and very weak.

[@royceleanzer]

Where is Shashi Tharoor. ? He would have schooled these jokers

[@theresias9997]

Right !!

[@souravbasu2327]

Pavan Verma was quite articulate on this forum and did the job

[@kopynd1]

we will fight them on the beach, sorry i will rephrase this, you will fight them on the beaches while I stuff my gut with cigars

[@kopynd1]

a would rate a traffic warden higher than a fat dictator who ate well and smoked expensive cigars,

[@brianbreen1026]

Lezaran, Britain did not win ww2 neither did USA. The Russians won WW2, and they did it on their own. Russian losses were terrifying with 35,000,000.dead.British and Commonwealth lost 450,000,Americans lost 380,000.The Russians were lucky as Stalin beheaded the army in his paranoia in the 1930s.In Aug 1939, the Imperial Japanese army faced the Russians in Manchuria, the Japanese were defeated and signed an non aggression pact with Russia. They then avoided Russia and went elsewhere. The general in charge of the Russian army was a man called George pronounced Ge org Ge Zhukov. The Germans should have taken note. As for supplies shipped to Russia by the very brave men on the convoys,the tanks were not used. The Sherman was known as Tommy cookers by the Germans and the Americans called them Ronsons, because they lit first time. Russians didn't like their high profile. If any Brit doesn't believe me of the importance of Zhukov in ww2, he never lost a battle by the way, go to the Imperial War museum and see whose bust is displayed there. Much like the Japanese, the British avoided large scale operations against German forces. The British were not fighting a German army in North Africa, they were fighting the Africa Corps, which consisted of two divisions.

[@vkeshav3519]

He was a wartime hero but for naught, his war on Germany ruined Britain and lost the Empire

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

He wasn’t in government when Britain declared war, and the empire was over anyway by then. The war against the nazis was a necessary war to fight for reasons which I do hope I am not asked to have to explain to you.

[@RaitaNag]

The regret I have he was not publically flogged and hanged slowly for genicide

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

What evidence is there of genocide? Did you listen to what Roberts said?

[@literarymusings8886]

Empire was the greatest most liberating thing ever happened to India !!! And I say that as an Indian If there had not been a British empire in India , upper caste Hindu casteist thugs would have taken over India with untouchability still rampant and child marriage and widow burning