Joe Rogan & Colin Moriarty on Progressive Politics in the Gaming Industry

Joe Rogan asks Colin Moriarty about the dogmatic progressive politics that exist in the gaming industry.
Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #937.

[@simiansovereign56]

I would love to see Colin come back for another podcast especially during this time

[@TheLooseJoints]

these clips started popping up again on my youtube feed for some reason. I remember thinking how ridiculous the circus was against colin, would love to see him back on here as well!

[@AlexRocks80s80s]

@@TheLooseJoints he is already back! Losers can’t keep a smart driven man down forever

[@Shinobi33]

The left just got this guy deplatformed from PAX this year

[@budgiecat9039]

politics has become like religious dogma based on idealism. Nobody wants to think for themselves. Just pick sides like fanatic sports fans and yell at each other but never listen

[@truegame142]

never knew this guy before this podcast but i really like him

[@Reginald_Harrison]

This is why I stopped going to NeoGaf. I still have an active account, (I'm not an angry ex-member who was banned) but that Ultra progressive echo-chamber is just not healthy for anyone.

[@linkenski]

I was banned real quick for glossing over the moderation rules too fast and didn't realize I couldn't write a contrary opinion in an Anita Sarkessian topic without first getting dogpiled and then then insta-banned for "Junior cull trolling" on my third day of using the site. I've kept lurking without being able to post because I thought it was a great source for news and passionate gamers but in the last year or so I've found it's become increasingly frustrating to read through even outside of the feminist threads and whatnot because it's just the same one-sided yelling all the time and sometimes you'll see 5-10 sensible arguments in a thread that's contrary to the consensus that are just banned like they're dropping like flies. That is censorship if I ever saw it. It creates quality control at best but not when it's about opinions that are contrasting and they're not allowed to contrast if one's viewpoint is deemed too right-sided or something. I'm not even american, so how could I know that a statement I made fell in line with something that reminded people of Trump or whatever it was? I just find that's an excruciatingly dangerous media to have and make it be so prominent. It's locked several truly good and well-meaning people out of the community just because the moderators are biased fucks and everyone has to feel offended over nothing or else they'll be called "ihuman piece of shit" or something. Some of the reactions I've seen towards ignorance or misguidedness or even ignorance on GAF's part like PewDiePie was just heart-wrenching to me; seeing over a hundred people agree that PewDiePie is some "antisemetic fuck, and I hope he loses all his insane fans". There's no room for both sides on GAF, only one and you cannot call out on the BS or you'll be silenced permanently in an instant. That's shocking to me.

[@fauzulhakim9280]

5 years later and hearing this kinda makes even more sense

[@abombnyy13]

Yup lol

[@Ham77ify]

The last of us 2 - a violent game, but politically correct. People are forgiven for killing but not for being bigot.

[@TheOneManWhoBeatYou]

Even though they offer bigot sandwiches

[@Asquared316]

love colin

[@HMAcademia]

I wish Joe would bring Colin back, now that Last Stand Media has been established for a while

[@cobex254]

No one defends Colin on Gaf because all the sane members have gone.

[@linkenski]

And the rest are just silent because they know a permaban is incoming the second they say "I think Colin is alright".

[@peeenbee843]

I am more on the left as far as economics go...but the pc thing is a problem...which I am against...

[@Nateguy632]

Please don't say you want socialism?

[@peeenbee843]

Not socialism at all...but democratic policy in economics have been more successful....I'm not a fan of reganomics...

[@peeenbee843]

Not socialism at all...but democratic policy in economics have been more successful....I'm not a fan of reganomics...

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

So there's only democratic policy and reaganomics?

[@purplism4857]

uhh both parties are economically neoliberal, that's the problem idiots. They both regulate in favor of businesses which leads to the trickle-down effect.

[@bruva207]

When the internet starts attacking Rooster Teeth owned companies... Shit's gonna get bad real fast

[@JamesOGant]

Small government is a good idea, but what do we do about monopoly and corporatism when of the top 100 economies 51 of them are corporate states which have no democratic accountability... At that point we have to maybe consider that the government can be small in some ways- personal privacy, right to trial, etc and be powerful in other ways in regard to regulating monopoly and environment and industrial fallout. The problem is not large vs small it's corruption vs ethics and principles and truly representational democracy.

[@johntaranto29]

No if we had a true small government and true capitalism there wouldnt be monoplies. There would be less regulation that makes it hard for smaller companies to compete with the big ones. Things like the e.p.a. Put crazy taxes and fees on people trying to build their business and the effect is they cant compete with monoplies. The free market is proven to work its just that it was abandoned for corrupt reasons, mainly to purposely build monoplies so more power is held by fewer people at the top of the pyramid .

[@pahwraith]

No...we hard the free market once. Read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair or anything about late 18th century Liverpool and Manchester. Pure laissez-faire markets fuck over the poor in a worse way than anything we have now. It would be ideal if we didn't need regulation and inefficient central government to keep things running. But humans are greedy, it's a clear case of "this is why we can't have nice things".

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

>"At that point we have to maybe consider that the government can be small in some ways- personal privacy, right to trial, etc and be powerful in other ways in regard to regulating monopoly and environment and industrial fallout." Yeah but that's like caging a gorilla, giving him giving steroids and hoping he won't rip you to shreds once you enter the cage. >"The problem is not large vs small it's corruption vs ethics" How is the problem not related to size when large and powerful is what attracts sociopaths and busybodies to the political life in the first place? How can you expect ethics to survive in a place where people make a living out of telling others how to live and juggling large sums of money coerced out of the taxpayer? >"truly representational democracy" Democracy is the tyranny of the 51%. I don't know you, why should your vote dictate the way I live? Why should my vote dictate how you live?

[@tiananman]

humans are greedy so we need to give humans a monopoly on force to prevent greed?

[@hoogerman8]

+pahwraith Wrong. the poor were "fucked over" in those situations because they lacked the means by which to compete with the powers that be, i.e. major corporations and the govt which always sided with corporations when it came to workers and consumer rights. It wasn't until workers started forming unions (which to this day are predominantly socialist in nature) and literal wars broke out between striking workers and the corporation's hired mercenary armies (such as the Pinkertons) that the govt stepped in to essentially prevent anarchy and bloodshed. Works like "The Jungle" are sensationalist tripe and mostly fiction written to illicit an emotional response to further some specific agenda. That's not to say that working conditions didn't resemble those depicted in the book, but such works tend to be horrendously skewed. Unlike then, Today more than ever in the history of mankind it is possible for anyone to have the means to provide for themselves as sufficiently as anyone else barring personal mental and physical limitations. Access to information and knowledge is at an all time high- yet America has such outrageously expensive public and higher education. Why? Because schools don't compete much with each other. This is why people are talking about privatizing public education. Consider TeleCom companies. They go out of their way to avoid competing with each other and the govt allows this and that is why internet service in the US is so expensive and lackluster. Travel is as fast and convenient as ever, why then is air travel such a pain? Because established airlines don't have to compete with smaller airlines. There should be *no* excuse today for *anyone* to be poor unless it is by their own will. Obviously, no society can subsist off a complete lack of regulation or social services, but socialism is *not* the answer. Competition from smaller business encourages larger established businesses to stay honest and maintain quality of goods and service. If a company has no fear of losing its share of its consumer market to an upstart, it can take advantage of people with impunity. Businesses *will* fail if a capitalist system is functioning correctly. This is a good thing so long as there are always more businesses with fresh ideas and new innovations to proceed them. But yet in actuality we've seen entire industries undergo rapid consolidation in the last 20 years especially (after that dot com bubble burst). Human's are greedy, yes. But this is not entirely a bad thing. Greed is, after all one of the driving factors behind all the progress humans have made in our history. Capitalism works because it harnesses that greed to fuel productive industry so society benefits. The only stipulation is that *anyone* should have as good a shot at success as anyone else. And those content to simply "get by" should be able to contribute and live as comfortably as they want. But redistribution of wealth wrecks *everything*. The poor should *only* be poor because they *choose* to. Granting them the fruits of other people's labor ruins society.

[@crithon]

ahhhhhh neogaf. It's amazing how they aren't considered 4chan in the past 10 years, but they are still just this problem with their own subculture.

[@mohamedbeard]

People need to get a grip seriously lol

[@SkeletonModel91]

"Pre-determined patterns of behavior" If I had a nickel for every time Joe said that...

[@tcgwarrior]

It's funny watching this now and seeing Joe say what does Hollywood want inclusivity quotas for movies & TV Shows? The answer is yes 😅

[@trademark310]

Can we work on not uploading a clip that starts mid word? Maybe a little bit better editing?

[@adamgorkawastaken]

Another interesting, and to a certain degree ironic, thing about the Witcher series and the issue of diversity is that discrimination and racism are a big topic in this universe. However, Mr Sapkowski, the author of the original book series, and CD Project Red are depicting it using humans, elves, draws, etc. instead of actual human races. I am afraid that the same people who accuse the Witcher series' developers of racism, would not find anything wrong about, let's say, the original "Planet of the Apes" just because one of the protagonists was black, even though he was killed early on in the film. Yet, "Planet of the Apes" is a highly racist and conservative, in the evil, nineteen-sixties, anti-civil-rights, meaning of the word. This could constitute an onset into a larger conversation, but I just want to say that I am sad that people who only look at the surface of certain issues and refrain from a deeper analysis of works of art are so vocal. I am also very disappointed that these same people self-identify as representatives of the political left, which undermines the entire wing of the political spectrum and damages all the great ideas associated with it. Not to even mention the harm done to the public debate in general by seeing the entire world as black and white.

[@charmingpeasant9834]

Year is 2022 and many video game stories now serve for the ''diversity'', not the other way around. Even the Polish CD Projekt Red has embraced Californian ''progressive'' culture.

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

More and more I realize Joe really isn't too smart. He keeps stumbling around the idea of "ideologies" and how they relate to political positions or orientations. And he gets really loose with his use of "the left" and "the right." He seems to recognize the variations on the right, but he thinks the left is homogeneous and dogmatic. No, you must only be listening to the loudest ones and the ones on the TV. People on the right aren't the only ones speaking out against the treatment of Milo, against social justice witch-hunts, against government overreach, etc. Pay attention and you'll find plenty of variety on the left. They're not all of one mind as "the left."

[@opannefrank1986]

Can you show me where the left is defending Milo and speaking out against government overreach. I am being sincere. I haven't found too much dissent on the left.

[@Iggsy81]

What's the website with the 120 page thread on him?

[@mountaindewslave]

Neogaf

[@Iggsy81]

cheers yeah i guessed as much

[@cairosantos8177]

This is why bf5 is dying

[@jovialvibes5962]

anybody truly on the side of being actually progressive are not going to be backing affirmative action-type diversity.

[@user-lj2cb2pj8j]

how is being a nationalist in a country that, on paper, wants equal human rights for all a bad thing?

[@TheJosephPrice]

Progressivism is a broad philosophy. They're many ideologies within in. When Americans refer to liberalism, they're referring to Modern American liberalism which derives from Social liberalism. Social liberalism is very much progressive. The problem we have run into, is we have our own crazy wing that calls everyone and everything racist or sexist if they disagree with them. But that is not the vast majority of progressives.

[@alexhenkell-malespin6585]

just like battlefield 1

[@SimMaster]

Joe Rogan: "Alt-right is a Reddit thing"

[@Yesornoization]

I look at this and sometimes wonder (not knowing backstory), how do Joe and Colin actually know and dig each other (because Joe's been commenting on Kinda Funny extensively. Mutual podcast love, perhaps.

[@LinV24]

lol fallout 3

[@GrumpDog]

How does this relate to the gaming industry? I don't see that much "liberal" stuff in games.. Maybe on certain media sites, but not the industry itself.. O_o This seems like an odd non-issue to bring up/create. I think all this labeling and generalization is really counter productive.. If you don't like certain media sites.. stop reading them.. They don't reflect the whole industry, and bad liberals shouldn't make progressives look bad, they're different things.

[@shelbykate6195]

smlifyrasor Gaming press.

[@joshwhite5407]

So do do do do do do do

[@MeCrazy516]

lol, love the myth that low taxes will save small business...we had more small business before Reagan...small business is fine in places like Norway or Denmark....If nobody has money to spend small business will die, if nothing is done to save the working and middle class small business will not make a comeback. the bottom needs to be invested in to increase demand...people need higher wages so they can survive and actually buy things....true progressives are like FDR, JFK....whats happened since Reagan is we have been indoctrinated with neo-liberal/neo-con Id politics because they are necessary to keep people divided.....they are describing neo-liberals not progressives

[@skat26onPSN]

Six days in Falluja is mentioned lol

[@stevemorales4098]

"The right is much more tolerable to gay marriage, the right . . . I mean you can just fill in the blanks." C'mon Joe, are you serious? The right has actually elected politicians who legislate their intolerance and ignorance.

[@dangelahusek3986]

Really? I am on "The Right" and while there are some vocal idiots, most don't care about gay marriage per se. What the right sees is the inevitable. You don't want to make a cake for a gay wedding? Fine. What the left does is to not tolerate dissenting opinions. In more direct terms, the Right does not care if that baker wants to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but the Left cannot handle that some baker may not want to. The modern left is becoming the true definition of the thought police.

[@puffball4484]

Ok but here's the thing. I hear a lot of public figures (on the right and left) coming out and saying how they are so upset by people misinterpreting them on the internet. Well, you know what? That's what happens when you put yourself out there on the internet. People pick and choose what they want to believe about you and its really easy to twist things. If that upsets you so much KEEP YOUR PERSONAL SHIT OFFLINE. It is possible to just have a professional presence on the internet. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

+Puff Ball how would you like it if I doxxed you and then called your business saying you're a racist so you'd get fired because I disagreed with that comment? Because that's what's been happening, you can't keep personal shit offline because people will doxx your and try to ruin your life simply because you disagreed with them. No. "What happens" is people calling you a f-g in online games, angry exes posting mean comments on your facebook, yadda yadda comes with the territory. This is not about being upset. This is about people using life-ruining tactics and isolating people from their friends by painting them as sexist, racist, etc.

[@omgurSOromantic]

ughh i hate calling myself a gamer cause of u ppl 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@ewanjrobertson94]

How cute joe rogan the college dropout thinks he has any chance arguing Richard Dawkins, a prestigious evolutionary biologist. Just shows how delusional he is.

[@jimlockeyarchive3198]

With all the love I can muster Colin has lost his mind if he believes he has been targeted and railroaded for his political beliefs. He received some criticism for a bad joke and chose to turn it into a cannon he'd use to propel himself to the centre of the 'libertarian' echo chamber.

[@dufmobz8953]

I was thinking the same thing. I suspected he may have done this to himself on purpose so that he could do things like appear on JRE.

[@jw7256]

I really agree, because if he neve quit KF none of the major publications would have picked up the story. He made the issues way bigger than any of this had to be.

[@jimlockeyarchive3198]

j w yup, it would have blown over in a day, but it's been fed into an outrage machine, talk about irony

[@jw7256]

I'm not saying that I believe this but if your a conspiracy theorist you could almost think that Colin orchestrated the whole thing! He's not a stupid guy he knows that people overreact to everything , he was just talking about the outrage the over HZD nonsense. Also if you watch the last KF gamecaset b/f the tweet you can see his complete boredom on his face when talking about video games. So if you want to be super suspicious you could think that Colin used this whole situation to his advantage. I totally believe that the overreaction is just as ridiculous as the over support he's getting over this tweet.

[@redneckfit7970]

Why is it so hard to believe?the left look for targets to break down because they need an enemy to keep going.just ask pewdie pie of all people.lol

[@bmosley45]

Aww, poor guy haha

[@j.b.9334]

This guy sounds so disingeniouse ... a cat calculates his pounce.... really fast.... lol

[@israelgirmay5110]

7:47

[@williamphillips2671]

Oh man no one is defending him boohoo

[@bianFU_XIA]

Aaahhh love Colin but... ...it seems he's being disingenuous re: his stance on social security. In the past, he has been on record stating that it was crazy that social security even exists - paraphrased btw. If he's changed his stance and skewed more center-right on social security, that's fine - ppl change their opinions all the time in the face of new information. ~Just be up front about it.

[@Ibalnaif]

I've always thought this guy was a prick, but he doesn't deserve all this hate, but don't try to make it seem like people are out to get you, you had a senior position in one of the biggest gaming websites on the planet, if people had it in for you, no chance in hell you would achieve that! Don't try to market yourself as a martyr for freedom of speech!

[@johntaranto29]

People were out to get him after his twitter post. Now hes leaving his youtube show.

[@howardwolfsley9895]

I feel like he should only be embarrassed for how hackneyed that tweet was.

[@theroseexperience]

Grow up.

[@go4damo]

This is his most nervous guest I've heard thus far!

[@go4damo]

@@jeanlepage4264 very politely starstruck

[@JeremyDezso]

I agree. I'm a fan of Colin's so I've listened to this twice and he was very nervous lol.