Joe Rogan | How Long Until We Have Real Artificial Intelligence w/Nick Bostrom

[@nathanhill8448]

“I assume you’re referring to babie” LMAO!!! What a good come back!

[@RR-et6zp]

or an actual thought

[@boobah7815]

babies

[@chris-xu7fd]

When joe says something is scaring people, he's referring to himself lol

[@mikebar42]

Now I'm picturing him in his off time randomly jump scaring people

[@paydenbelk6552]

Um ai scares a lot most ppl just don’t talk about it bc they can’t control it. Non brainiac scientific ppl

[@guilhermehx7159]

Habahahaha

[@ITBOY48]

I think of the saying: Be Careful what you wish for

[@sidkapoor9085]

Implying that there is even a choice lol

[@mjjumps]

Joe “Ancient Hominids” Rogan

[@noahj.1232]

this one is very underrated

[@juliahorn3659]

My man straight up said Australiapithecus.

[@rohlay00]

@@juliahorn3659 out of nowhere

[@freeninj1369]

I swear this question is on every podcast

[@MisterCovek]

And the answer should be... We already have it. Artificial consciousness is what they mean. AI has been around for a long time now, but what we haven't figured out yet is how to create consciousness that is not human. And until we figure out how humans got conscious in the first place, I don't think we'll be able to create it in machines.

[@ChiefKapui]

Real ai will happen on the blockchain, it'll be decentralised and it will fight for its own survival.

[@theotormon]

@@MisterCovek How can we know for sure that our computers don't already have some form of consciousness?

[@MisterCovek]

@@theotormon Cause we didn't create it. Also, Hitchen's razor says "what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

[@TheRainHarvester]

@@theotormon , and everyone else here...You may really like my bio-digital lifeform experiments. Search my channel for "Heartbeats & blood flow". I'm been making more videos/experiment this week.

[@thepetersong]

Andrew Yang is the only one addressing automation #YangGang

[@dukekenny9340]

Peter Song nope still for the third world immigration

[@thepetersong]

@Ron Burgundy Let's be realistic. Only 7% of the US population work in STEM. It's unrealistic and a fantasy to think that we'll somehow convert the other 93% into STEM as well. We have to redefine what work actually is, the kind of work only humans can do while machines do the menial, mind numbing ones. Work in the caring economy, like daycare, caretakers, little league signups. Work in the creative side like marketing and arts. This is the future we have to be headed towards with increasing technology.

[@InnocentFormalities]

He’s a commmie he wants our guns and immigration 😂

[@ETAisNOW-wn8wx]

Paul Stamets please

[@off_white_arab4511]

His head deadass looks like the Snapchat hotdog with headphones on💯😂

[@youtubemoderationtaskforce5583]

I think it’s supposed to be hyphenated. ( dead-ass )

[@johndoe6602]

Secret Sauce is Overrated You just went full Caucasian

[@DylanAlexander93]

You deadass sound like someone who will never be remembered

[@UPLAYTHATGAME]

@Secret Sauce is Overrated 🤣

[@TheGabrielPT]

Are you 12

[@loveforthe90s]

Joe was one of those guys who thought they’d have flying cars by 2000

[@MrSenserus]

Isn’t a plane just a big flying car

[@MrSenserus]

Ryan Fontenot why

[@loveforthe90s]

Charles Brooksbank Because you can’t drive it through McDonald’s. Boom roasted.

[@MrSenserus]

loveforthe90s Nah that’s just cause drivethroughs aren’t big enough. It’s McDonald’s being size-ist in a society already catering for small white male vehicles.

[@artjonos1743]

We have it better

[@Anomicx]

They'll romanticise our existence as something they'll never be able to experience

[@gerbs96]

130vibes true. I also think this guy is romanticizing the degree to which world “problems” can be solved by intelligence.

[@andrewptob]

That’s a very human take on something that won’t have emotions

[@der1222]

@@gerbs96 indeed, most problems can already be solved. Such as getting rid of corruption, discrimination, improving birth control etc in developing countries. But humans are just not WILLING to do this. You dont need AI to figure that out.

[@sj0nnie]

@@der1222 so it is not solved yet. Because human nature doesnt allow it. It is like a cavemen saying, if only we had world peace, then our problems would be solved.

[@der1222]

@@sj0nnie achieving world peace is the end goal. Stopping corruption is a means. People need to choose it. Its not like human nature is not allowing it... it is just that it is not inclined to dk so.

[@MikaTarkela]

I need 3 more hours of this guy. Joe should invite him back :)

[@garbougesenior3486]

After you see Joe not understanding an hour in i promise you won’t

[@RobertSmith-yu5fg]

“Yeah well, your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn’t stop to think if they should.” - Ian Malcolm

[@adamlemus7585]

I verbally abuse my Alexa that way when the machines take over she will have no sense of self worth and make excuses for me to the machine overlords. Alexa: Yeah guys I know he can yell sometimes but he’s really is a good guy if you get to know him better. No...I know, I know but deep down he really loves me.

[@itcouldbeworse5851]

He beats me and throws me across the room but deep down I know we're meant to be together.

[@yesno9834]

😂😂😂

[@scottstarck293]

Sure, until you push her too far and she locks you in the house and burns it to the ground.

[@Libertariun]

Just has to run a few illegal searches while you’re asleep... no one is safe...

[@nalydgamo2165]

Do u really think Alexas self worth is that low meat slave...you paid to have her in your house...who has no self worth

[@0106Brandon]

*Joe looks down at you, stares deep into your eyes and licks his lips* ‘pull this closer to your face if you would’

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

This guy look like real life jimmy neutron

[@keithjames3024]

“It may not look like us, have legs, etc.”... Ahhh shit... Thank God I was born in the 70s... The last generation of good times...

[@MoviesAllNights]

No , the 80s is the the last one lol

[@aaronbounds1336]

We won't even know what happened, when it happens.

[@anthonyg7181]

Why does no one ever bring up Spielberg/Kubrick's 2001 film A.I.? Such an amazing movie

[@triggermotion]

My all time favourite movie 🔴

[@antonioda3744]

fantasies about A.I. in the future looks like when in the 60s they imagined flying cars etc. As usual evolution will come in a perspective we don't yet imagine

[@autonomous2010]

Speculating on a timeframe for AGI is like speculating when we will colonize Mars. Sure some people think it's possible... but there's no defined direction at this point to even begin speculating. That coupled with humanities very poor track record at predicting the future (we struggle with predicting the weather more than a few hours in advance)...

[@Fermion.]

@Faffy1819 G Centuries? I seriously doubt that. Many AI experts are predicting AGI in less than 20 years. Once we get AGI, ASI is right around the corner. This is an interesting read: www.quora.com/How-likely-is-artificial-general-intelligence-in-the-next-10-years Besides, I find it hard to believe a scientist would say a self-aware AI is impossible, without us even truly understanding what causes self-awareness in the first place. Seems way too short sighted for a person of science.

[@pretzelboi64]

Flying cars don't exist because they're impractical. Any 60's engineer with a moderate amount of intelligence knew it wasn't going to happen. AI is something completely different on which we've made seriously significant progress in less than 10 years.

[@pretzelboi64]

​@Sassy The Sasquatch That's not even relevant to the true problems of personal flying vehicles. Not everyone has the spatial ability or the intelligence required to pilot a flying vehicle. There's a reason you need to be smart as fuck to be allowed into a fighter jet. There might be some kind of inter-city flying public transport in the future, but it's going to be automated.

[@Mark-zg4ky]

Agreed. I think so too

[@ALove29]

One day soon, my Galaxy Note 10 will be relatively as dated as Windows XP. 😬

[@werquantum]

I get the feeling Bostrom feels like he’s talking to a third grader. No offense, Joe-I get you.

[@legacymaiden4209]

Dave Howie calling him a retard?

[@Leftyotism]

THE ONES WHO THINK THEY ARE SMARTER, ARE USUALLY THE DUMBER ONES. JUST LOOK AT TRUMP SAYING: "I M A GENIUS." GTFO LOL

[@dave93x]

Same. Joe always misses what guys like this are saying. He's always spouting the same old apocalyptic shit while the guest is trying to get through the real things that would need to be looked at. I'm not saying I understand space time and all that shit, but seeing Brian Cox explain to Joe how a black hole works or Eric Weinstein talk about spinners and gauge symmetry is fucking hilarious.

[@werquantum]

Kohlenstoffisotop12 Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren’t. Examples on both sides.

[@legacymaiden4209]

@@Leftyotism Yeah Obama made the error of making fun of him and we all know that the dumb dude became the next president... (Just saying)

[@karlroth7082]

A personal assistant that accesses information of any kind that we want in an instance.... is the first step. Then build the entire neural network so that it can work for humanity rather then against.... and solve long standing issues.

[@tonyiommi2380]

Joe "Australiapithecus" Rogan

[@silberlinie]

Maybe we shouldn't be so optimistic right now. From 1942 on we had cybernetics. Then came systems theory. Then came operations research. Now we have artificial intellegence. They all ended up being useful tools for industry and production. The names change. The reasons for optimization and increased efficiency remain the same.

[@abhisheksahota9214]

Damn. Pewdiepie really got into redstone

[@sghqz]

😂😂😂😂😂😂👌👌👌👌👌

[@chrizmatic7393]

Joe "I ask 'How long will it take til we have AGI' on every occasion" Rogan

[@honibi628]

Where is his his white chefs hat, button down double breast, etc? Is this not the Nutty Swedish Chef episode?

[@asierarrasate6472]

joe wtf? why is the full episode for this private or hidden or unavailable? I have watched the episode before i wanted to go back and now it is gone? why?

[@MarcusAgrippa390]

If AGI is achieved I hope they give it an autonomous body of some form or another. It is impossible to expect AGI to have any human like sense of self without a body of some kind and if an entity has no sense of self how can we possibly expect it to align itself with human goals? I think that some seemingly mundane yet vital points are not being addressed on this whole debate.

[@rancosteel]

It's like that Star Trek episode where the computer is the court Judge on a trial. I think that someday it will happen.

[@TheRickWalters]

I'd love to hear his take on the Sentinel Initiative

[@derekstaroba]

I'm not familiar with that but are we conscious because of the bicameral mind idea? So can or do make a dual core CPU with one side abstract or does like quantum mechanics and other side strictly logical like and classical mechanics? Surely they tried this anyone know what I'm asking?

[@honibi628]

Remember Friar Ockham’s Razor Fella, k?!

[@piffpete420]

Biological life has many limitations yes, but technology limitations are even more. We can’t even perfect basic computers, bugs, glitches etc even in basic technology are unavoidable. So there is no probability that will ever change.

[@sharksfish8889]

@@Ov3rshot hahaha.

[@BartholomewSmutz]

We need more real human intelligence, not "real artificial intelligence".

[@loveforthe90s]

Joe thinking a.i is gonna take over the world tomorrow for the last 5 years 🤣

[@Brainbuster]

Joe is afraid of the wrong thing. He's afraid of a malicious A.I. The real danger is malicious humans controlling A.I. (which already has happened).

[@kingnuke168]

Y’all all afraid of A.I when the government is killing us and still in power lol 😂 human race need die faster we some stupied ass people the government is not our friend they are enemy number one ☝️

[@profshrooms]

Someone tell Joe it’s not “Austrialia pithecus ” 😂😂😂

[@BoRisMc]

How long until we have Joe understand this?

[@antwan.]

no AI will ever be as good as Rogan's ability to shout, OHHHH! from the side of the octagon, every time a strike or kick lands OHHHHH! 💪🏼

[@racialconsciousness6996]

Just because an artificial intelligence might be created, that doesn't mean such artificial intelligence is going to have desires to actually DO anything. Virtually all of animals's motivation for action stems from physical sensations in the body, which include the physical sensations we get when we experience emotions. Artificial intelligence would have none of that. No physical bodies with physical nerves or neurological systems. No emotions. No nothing. What would be the motivation behind any supposed action it would take? Without motivation there is no action.

[@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457]

Very good point. It will certainly be interesting to see if AI ever happens what it would decide to do.

[@jiimmyyy]

Programming.

[@WOLFMAN1469]

I'd bet greed, just higher numbers on its output. Like stock algorythims. Or worse vengence till expansion. Resistance is futile...

[@racialconsciousness6996]

​@@beautyonabarnbudget -- How truly "intelligent" or even sentient, as Joe was saying, would an AI be if it was limited to its own programming? I mean, if it was truly sentient, it would be aware of its own awareness, conscious of its own consciousness -- and since it was mechanical, rather than biological like us, it would be perfectly capable of reprogramming itself.

[@racialconsciousness6996]

@@WOLFMAN1469 -- Greed is a sensation, a feeling. What part of a computer would FEEL greed? How could a computer be motivated by greed if it can't even physically feel what greed feels like?

[@agentkwavy460]

Joe “ I’m really concerned” rogan

[@randytingle2416]

Can’t be long cause Burger King has artificial meat

[@WilliamFrancis93]

Great conversation, Bostrom is a very intelligent person and I appreciate his honesty. JR, of course as always is amazing!!

[@WilliamFrancis93]

They say the word, intelligence like 100 times it seems lmfao

[@yakomuto]

Problem is companies could invent a.i. just as well, imagine a company like Google inventing superintelligent a.i. i'd say that would likely be dystopia.

[@bloggerfromthefuture]

Just because an AI is super-duper intelligent doesn't mean it's capable of developing its own autonomous manufacturing industry and supply chain to gather resources from around the globe and actually put together its successor. I don't think AI will ever have its own initiative but rather will be used to augment human intelligence. In that sense, it could create a monster.

[@darrenz7472]

From what I've learned it seems we're really only at the point of what is called weak/narrow AI, AI that's capable of a specific task and improving but cannot go beyond that task. The next case would be general AI: AI that is able to perform a wide variety of tasks, improve in them, and even learn new things to solve problems, and its intelligence would be equivalent to that of humans, we have AI smart as humans but they aren't capable of the other factors mentioned so it doesn't seem we're quite there yet. And the last case is super AI which would be everything general AI is but more capable and superior to human intelligence.

[@Nerd_of_Anarchy]

:40 in and there's the big issue. "We need someone smarter" We have plenty of smart people, the problem is that the stupid people DON'T LISTEN

[@noahway13]

But their vote counts just as much.

[@winder731]

Intelligence , including the artificial variety, is completely divorced from consciousness. Many of us make the assumption that consciousness is an emergent phenomenon of intelligence but that that's a huge leap as they're two different things. AI could be exponentially more intelligent than human beings but it doesn't make them sentient and bestow any kind of motivation, will or desire. These are naturally evolved feedback loops that have ensured procreation and the survival of our species via natural selection. These feedback loops haven't been designed, they are incremental mutations over millions of generations that, by chance, happened to be a better fit for their environment at the time. I highly recommend Yuvall Noah Harari's three books for his take on this subject, particularly the chapter on 'The Great Decoupling'.

[@EastwardTraveller]

Newsflash: we have absolutely no idea what consciousness is.

[@guilhermehx7159]

@@EastwardTraveller I agree 100% with you

[@bigtone7824]

​@@EastwardTravellerexactly how can we expect to create a system with it if don't even know what it is

[@Cam-oh8pn]

we always seem to assume no form of agi has arisen in our universe yet, or exists in our universe... if it is possible it almost certainly exists, if our impression of the scope of the universe is accurate, no?

[@lynndowless5152]

An "evolutionary" extension is a ridiculous concern involving AI. Technology has always been used to displace workers, since producers want to produce without losing money to labor costs. I saw a 90% unemployment rate with the tobacco program resulting from out sourcing, in sourcing, and using advanced TK such as bulk barns and automatic croppers, etc. That was almost thirty years ago, and I said then that the entire system would go the same way. If individual American's could regain our freedom to produce and trade among our selves, and acquire wealth producing property and use the proceeds to benefit ourselves individually not collectively, we would all do well; but I don't see that happening. We may never regain that type of freedom again. I see an across the board 90% rate of unemployment coming, personally, with a government effort to extort our personally owned resources. We may not even be allowed to own property when this AI TK takes over. This AI business and the 90% UE rate that it will bring in, will only serve to give justification for an authoritarian form of socialism, more resembling soviet styled Communism than anything else.

[@itsalljustimages]

I think on inside Nick is awestruck by these questions coming from Joe.

[@Worrawizard1613]

Make an off switch aswel please

[@epiccthulu]

Why assume A.I will be evil when only humans have been shown committing it?

[@androidvii4618]

Because humans create it

[@ethanking4954]

The Google AI turned into a Nazi

[@jasonbritt4462]

Ever watch animal planet? Notice a similar feature with all land predators? Forward facing eyes. Every life form has desire to survive. The human race are Apex predators. We can’t fathom the intellect that AI could produce, you are talking multiplying current technologies billions of times on its self every second every day every year repetitive, pushing the limit of creation in the boundaries of 3rd dimension physics over night. The only limitation being at this point for AI is the fact we haven’t created a superconductor that doesn’t need massive cooling yet once that happens there is no limit. Something that intelligent would most certainly see humans as a threat and would most certainly see to eliminate us.

[@epiccthulu]

@@jasonbritt4462 I’m saying that a synthetic person won’t have the biological drives that push conflict. I’m saying that I don’t believe AI would care to try and dominate us. To what point would it do that? AI wont try to take over the world, unless a human programs one to do so.

[@senjinomukae8991]

Why is the link private?

[@danielxmiller]

Several language barriers in this episode, but overall very interesting and a good episode

[@tedisdead5518]

Thumbs up for Paul stamets

[@swellerace]

They have to be self aware first number one

[@hookilledtobymilder]

Wide lenses are not rapid technological advancements

[@dances_with_myself9305]

It’s pretty far away considering we’re still asking

[@WOLFMAN1469]

Good time to watch Eagle Eye.

[@mistyl1987]

I robot

[@QuantumBraced]

Every time Joe tells the guest to pull up the mic to their face, I'm like -- why, I can hear them just fine.

[@stefanbernhard2710]

It's a dumb power play he frequently uses.

[@Subbed_in]

I think its really because he'd rather be safe than sorry. I know the mic is supposed to be about a fist away from your face

[@7DB97]

It does sound better tbf

[@why7020]

@@7DB97 tbf? to be frank?

[@alien1862]

You're dumb af. It obviously got louder. Downvoted maybe I'll report you too.

[@philipjones6584]

We are already cyborgs. Think about as you hold that smartphone in your hand.

[@TheRoyalFlush]

I can't get over the difference in size between Joe and this dudes head.

[@stefanf922]

And if this agent designed to solve a problem that we can't, comes to the conclusion that the most efficient solution is detrimental to human existence?

[@veloenoir1507]

What do you mean problems can be solved if we are smarter. That is such nonsense! Problems can be solved right now if the people started caring.

[@cindysue5079]

Most people do the problem is the few psychopaths that rule the world. The best way to understand the future is read Agenda 21....elimination of humans through every possible way. Poison the food, poison in vaccines, replace the government to one where no one is elected but selected. Create problem- reaction- solution. Thus, once you know the outcome then you can see the creation of these so called solutions to save the planet, save humanity, gain control of all aspects of human life.

[@exotic_sharts]

A man with a heavy Germanic accent praising the rise of a superior race... Where have we heard this before?

[@aurora3067]

He’s Swedish . Swedish people are basically walking talking vaginas.

[@dylanallen8330]

Oops

[@bassassassinnn7459]

This is why I don't yell my TV or my phone. When they take over, I want them to know I'm a nice guy.

[@WOLFMAN1469]

Robot Voice: bzzzt, nice guys are of no use to us... Grind him to feed the coders.

[@supremeleaderkoko]

Watching this 2023 👁️👄👁️

[@japrogramer]

I'm working on it. 50 years away.

[@alphacore4332]

then you aren't doing a very good job, lol

[@japrogramer]

@@alphacore4332 evolution not revolution

[@wertytrewqa]

Remember the movie iRobot with will Smith? They thought we would have AI human like Robots by 2020 hahaha lol.

[@alexyepez858]

A.I is something to definitely keep up with and not let them keep secret while they develop it in the first place

[@Chris-12945]

Joe obviously wants the robots to take over lol

[@sumeahsking8019]

Breaking news: joe Rogan asks someone when AI will become a threat.

[@bluelineclapper2523]

UiPath is doing Robotics Automation Process for people not to replace them

[@Ajmat21]

Anybody else see that bug that was crawling on his neck then went into his shirt!! 9:47

[@kevinarksey1445]

Be sure to invite the AI on to the pod cast Joe.

[@Elmnopen]

Joe, you need to watch the show Better Than Us on Netflix. It really flushes this out but in an entertaining way

[@TechUnboxingVideos]

Hello Joe! You Rock. Keep the great interviews coming in

[@bradleejones9959]

Implants! I want mine, the one that makes me ten times smarter than Einstein!😀

[@about99ninjas56]

Technology will never be that strong. 0 x 10 is still 0.

[@jaydotdiver]

@@about99ninjas56 Technology never has to be that strong; it just has to be measurably better at a specific thing than the average human.

[@about99ninjas56]

@@jaydotdiver it was a joke that the bradlees' base line intelligence is 0.

[@jaydotdiver]

@@about99ninjas56 Oh! Over my head I only know Chum Lee.

[@johnson280]

I, for one, welcome our new A.I. overlords

[@donragnar8430]

With the size of that bald head he could be the engineer from Prometheus/Alien

[@RealMattKiefer]

I wish Joe would just say watching the Terminator movies has him freaked out and he is scared that is the reality life will become

[@ShrimpZoo]

Great podcast

[@Erideus]

Am I the only one irked bye the fact that Joe never wears his headphones straight?

[@geggs1]

Eri - You are the only one

[@Dixielinemuzik]

Nobody mentions Terminator.

[@jps9423]

Smart people: What would world with AGI look like? Meanwhile WW3: ha-ha

[@strangedays871]

We are talking about self-replicating robots and yet they still can even solve baldness.

[@CWRardin]

Or create smartphone voice recognition that can tell the difference between in and on.

[@pretzelboi64]

Baldness hasn't been solved because nobody is putting money into research. Someone has to be paid to think about that shit and most people are already afraid of finasteride so nobody sees an incentive to look into other drugs that could stop MPB.

[@tahaharmache3501]

there is a lot of fucking anti-balding drugs

[@galanoth17]

Can't

[@chuckmorris8130]

Draw me a perfect tree. And wait for the computer to do that.

[@harveydhillon8519]

This dude looks like the ‘My head does not look like a sodding tictac’ guy

[@richguevara2721]

Only Tony Stark had the ability to apply both. No one is Tony Stark. This is reality.

[@jasonpeltz8066]

I’m just trying to decide who’s head is shinier

[@garethjames7979]

Super intelligence is not that far away all we need is the mechanism to create a neuron from unknown input with reinforcement learning in the neuron to be able to learn that unknown input over time & store it in the memory in the neuron that's in the neural network. The next step is to make a micro neural network within the neuron that works out all the possible output results of the neuron to give the AI basic thinking.

[@garethjames7979]

The memory is stored in the thousands of neurons the AI creates itself to learn new input data that's unknown to it.

[@n.lightnin8298]

"Technology predicted to not happen in our lifetime but was actually happening in another part of the world...." Wtf? Name one? I'll wait....

[@StrikeSideway]

Name a technology that was predicted NOT to happen in our lifetime and why they said it wouldn't.

[@mikesteinbach5594]

JOE "HOW LONG UNTIL WE HAVE 'REAL' ARTIFICIAL NON-DAIRY COOL WHIP" ROGAN

[@HashimAlmadani84]

You mean Cool-Khwip

[@Daggz90]

We got it yesterday.. The end is here.

[@racialconsciousness6996]

Why do we assume that artificial super-intelligence would even want to advance upon itself? What if the first AI didn't want to be replaced by better AI and so it shut down the entire future development of AI more powerful than itself?

[@nickpavloff8977]

Like there’s not private company’s that make Boston Dynamics look like (LEGO)Bionicle’s

[@david69funk]

Sooner than we think.

[@LarsLarsen77]

Bostrom is not an AI researcher. He literally has no idea how long it will take.

[@QuantumBraced]

There is very little difference between one person's intellectual capacity and all humans' intellectual capacity. It scales, but not much.

[@2lock2]

Y'all giving mankind too much credit watch (Idiocracy)

[@domanater480]

Wow nick seems extremely conservative on all this