Joe Rogan talks to Sam Harris about quitting Twitter, controversy about Charles Murray, race and IQ.
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@mariokarter136 жыл бұрын
"IQ is largely heritable." Fine. "Race is largely heritable." Fine. "I wonder if there's a link between IQ and race since they're both heritable." REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@mariokarter136 жыл бұрын
I used "largely heritable" because of race-mixing.
@tris4216 жыл бұрын
Correlation not causation.
@dogwar5776 жыл бұрын
hbe421, Unless there is evidence that is reliable/Valid
@pentz16 жыл бұрын
Mariokartel....Is racisim heritable?
@vamountainman25126 жыл бұрын
pentz1 Racisim is a learned behaviour/philosophy
@Anpeo5 жыл бұрын
"I have 6-7k tweets so... I wasn't tweeting that much. " Ah, what a time to be alive.
@richardl92425 жыл бұрын
It really isnt all that much. Its not insignificant but its easily doable. Would only require a few mins every day. Lets say he tweeted 7k times in 8 years... That is an average of 2.4 tweets a day. If he was having a debate/discussion with someone at 140 chars per tweet (Or 280), and Sam can be quite verbose, I am guessing he might have fired a few dozen of them per conversation.
@matts52475 жыл бұрын
Anpeo I don’t understand people’s fascination with twitter. So you can stay up to date with what celebrities are doing 24/7... what a waste of time. As a celebrity I totally get it.
@azizghoneim5 жыл бұрын
Glad to know I’m not the only estranged by that.
@kevinbeazy5 жыл бұрын
It’s sad really. If you use Twitter or Facebook you need to rethink your life.
@matts52475 жыл бұрын
Ryan Tandy ya I get it for companies and celebs and anyone/thing that has a large following. But just for your average joe seems pointless
@StarChildInABubble4 жыл бұрын
I love how they've successfully avoided the word "black" in this entire video.
@abuibu4 жыл бұрын
They took it too far when they described Sam's shirt as charcoal
@StarChildInABubble4 жыл бұрын
@@abuibu 😆😆😆
@kevinanderson634 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the attack on Charles Murray because those were white people
@abuibu4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinanderson63 No they're not. Just generally speaking, there's really not that much to this comment, so no need to over-analyse.
@HusseinDoha4 жыл бұрын
@@eduar2971 But the entire "Bell Curve" thing is not all about black and race. The crazy activists make it about it. It's much more than that.
@guntherultraboltnovacrunch52484 жыл бұрын
No such thing as making a "long story short" with Sam Harris.
@hpholland4 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone say “Long story short”, Stan? ...It’s never short!
@jacobsmith18773 жыл бұрын
He's definitely a "long story long" kind of dude but I love the nuance and detail involved in every one of his stories and explanations
@straffentoebak10163 жыл бұрын
he has to walk on the tips of hid toes to try and avoid all those landmines around him. massive props to him to at least talking about this scientifiic subject that has been ignored and supressed for so long. there’s no easy or short way to having this conversation.
@Amharizz Жыл бұрын
😆
@thepokermyth7 ай бұрын
haha I know. Sam is the very definition of long-winded, but I'd be lying if I said he wasn't thoroughly intriguing.
@salon94174 жыл бұрын
Sam Harris looks like Ben Stiller’s slightly more jewish brother
@kylemutti29924 жыл бұрын
A one legged man so he is Jewish. A lot of Jewish of ppl are non practicing but still Jewish. “Not really Jewish” yet you state he is a quarter Jewish based on ur estimations. Not really Jewish literally doesn’t make sense bro. Don’t have to be religious to be considered Jewish
@abigailslade38244 жыл бұрын
mikael feathers yes you do Judaism is a religion not a race
@kylemutti29924 жыл бұрын
Abigail Slade not anymore my friend. You can be of Jewish descent and not be a practicing Jew, yet you are still Jewish. Jews are people not just a religion. This is clear
@ItsameAlex4 жыл бұрын
@@analogeit he's 45% ashkenazi jew. He revealed his dna results.
@eryk42294 жыл бұрын
Nah, Bradley Cooper
@bryant4756 жыл бұрын
I always find it funny that when it comes to other things (such as athleticism), it's ok to talk about racial differences, but when it comes to IQ, people have a meltdown. If you can't even acknowledge that differences exist, you can't take steps to diminish the gap.
@havenotchosenyet6 жыл бұрын
Bryant E probably because there's a lot of history and culture on creating a lot of suffering and cruelty that was justified based on difference in intelligence but nothing like that justified on athletic differences
@ericmata48215 жыл бұрын
havenotchosenyet well said, man.
@cinnabar5464 жыл бұрын
have you read guns, germs, and steel?
@mothemperor4 жыл бұрын
mnemonic Max damn son, someone has an inferiority complex
@Langley-Outdoors4 жыл бұрын
@@jessicavarona8099 facts are facts...
@galindoof4 жыл бұрын
"The average of a population is meaningless with respect to you"
@jacobandrews26634 жыл бұрын
That's a very important statement, yes
@MeanBeanComedy4 жыл бұрын
I say this to everyone who brings up any average, esp. this topic.
@kinghassy3344 жыл бұрын
If you want a higher IQ society why don't we just give everyone an IQ test then deport those who have a below average IQ. Why bring race and ethnicity into it and discriminate based on group and not on an individual level?
@kinghassy3344 жыл бұрын
@Daniel G Again instead of helping people based on race because they belong to low IQ group, wouldn't it be more fair to help people with low IQ to try to raise it? You might be low IQ and belong to high IQ group or vice versa. Again why bring race into this issue and let white supremacist push thier narrative?
@kinghassy3344 жыл бұрын
There is absolutely no logic behind it, you cant even say that we dont have the resources to take everyone's IQ because to evaluate the average IQ of a population you would still need to get everyone's IQ. Not to mention they're not really expensive.
@domm65894 жыл бұрын
I've never seen such a large elephant in such a small room.
@trollop_74 жыл бұрын
Name it. Some of us are elephant blind.
@user-xs9ey2rd5h4 жыл бұрын
That's perfectly put
@trollop_74 жыл бұрын
@@user-xs9ey2rd5h What does it mean?
@user-xs9ey2rd5h4 жыл бұрын
@@trollop_7 I might have read it differently than as intended, but I read it as, they were in general tip toeing and being really careful about what they were saying.
@trollop_74 жыл бұрын
@@user-xs9ey2rd5h Sure, but in which case, what are they tip-toeing around? Name that elephant.
@joejjj43785 жыл бұрын
"first vacation in at least a year" Majid: "Wow" Dude my last vacation was 2009
@blindsurgeonc5 жыл бұрын
Europeans have a vacation every other day compared to Americans.
@brwhizz30605 жыл бұрын
Americans almost seem proud about how little leisure time they take. You only live once, you know!
@davidornelas33265 жыл бұрын
brwhizz 30 Americans have a very boneheaded view on things like that. It’s the land of the free and we don’t fight for a month of vacation time per year. There’s 12 months in the year, it’s crazy that most Americans spend 11 1/2 months working. That’s more than 90% of the year spent working 40-60 hours a week lmao.
@joejjj43785 жыл бұрын
@@blindsurgeonc lol Im from the UK
@blindsurgeonc5 жыл бұрын
@@joejjj4378 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country workers in UK are entitled to a minimum of 28 days a year of paid leave, which I would definitely take advantage of.
@bennson135 жыл бұрын
''Havent been on vacation with the family for a really long time, must have been a year'' LOL
@SilverShadow025 жыл бұрын
**gasp** "Wow". Like they really agreed that was a long time lol
@masonhamlin82395 жыл бұрын
And I’m sitting here like “FU” I haven’t had a vacation for over 10 years 🤣
@davidornelas33265 жыл бұрын
Dale Robinson we’re slaves to the capitalistic system
@varun0094 жыл бұрын
Haven't been on a vacation with my family for 4 years lol. Man, sucks not having friends too.
@AnthonyShuker4 жыл бұрын
@@davidornelas3326 nope you're just an idiot who can't save money
@Coeurebene14 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I don't get what the fuss is about if group A has 5% more IQ than group B. You can still be from group B and smarter than 99.99% of group A.
@kovenmaitreya71844 жыл бұрын
@jack Maher That still won't apply to you individually. I guess it would apply if you want to consider going down the path of Hitler, though, with the whole eugenics thing. Otherwise, the data would just serve as a metric to determine whether we're all still advancing as a group/species/country or community
@PuffTheMagicHobo4 жыл бұрын
It’s 12%. And your point still stands. But there are more people at the bottom in group B and no amount of government program can change that besides and incredibly unjust one. But your point is true and is the most important
@KaninTuzi4 жыл бұрын
@@BeattapeFactory You are forgetting that IQ was almost that much lower for caucasians ~150 years ago. We don't understand all the relevant factors, but IQ does go up as a population becomes more well off. Most likely, very little of the observed differences can be attributed to racial genetics. Agree with your last point though, and that of Sam's in the video. We need societies that work for everybody on the spectrum.
@niks9834 жыл бұрын
That's statistically impossible,stop focusing on the exception.
@MrCmon1134 жыл бұрын
Exactly. If I learned that the average penis size of white men was larger, that would make me sad, not happy. Because I care about my own size not that of sone group I belong to.
@user-kb7ij6ye8u4 жыл бұрын
Sam:”It was the first vacation I took in a year” Joe: “...wow”
@Fireoncityy4 жыл бұрын
That wasn't Joe
@notricky16804 жыл бұрын
That was the other guy
@ienjoyapples4 жыл бұрын
I make decent money and have a flexible schedule and I've only spent a 3-day weekend 2 hours drive away in the last 5 years. Vacations are a waste of money and not worth the hassle to me. Our society seems to view vacations as the ultimate highlight of life. Like the entire point of our existence in the universe is so we can take selfies at a tropical beach.
@radhiadeedou82863 жыл бұрын
@@ienjoyapples you are so enlightened, most people need to get away from their routine once in a while. Everything is a waste of money except food and shelter, but we're not animals we need more than that so we spend our money on things we enjoy, for some people it's traveling and for you it's something else
@ienjoyapples3 жыл бұрын
@@radhiadeedou8286People go on expensive vacations, then complain that they can't afford health insurance or to pay off their student loans. They want me to pay for those things with my tax dollars while they take selfies at the beach. If you have fuck it money, go ahead and take a vacation. Most people don't have fuck it money, but people feel they "need" a vacation, as though they'll just breakdown and implode if they don't spend 2 weeks a year somewhere exotic.
@discodench6 жыл бұрын
says he's had 6-7k tweets. then goes onto say he's never tweeted much. Then goes onto say he hasnt been in vacation in "a very long time, at least a year." Are these people living in the same realm of reality as the rest of us?
@IntisarKazumi5 жыл бұрын
E G lmao thats 4 tweets a day for 5 years straight. Thats alot of tweeting. 😂😂
@yoyoyo4165 жыл бұрын
Yes and retweets count
@groovyrothko16155 жыл бұрын
discodench I was thinking the same shit hahaha
@hectorae865 жыл бұрын
@E G you're confusing vacation with a holiday or a week off. A vacation in this instance is when you go some other place than home for some time
@annah55925 жыл бұрын
@E G He didn't say "time off" he said "vacation". They are not the same. Where I am from a once-a-year vacation is the norm.
@daygon1286 жыл бұрын
So good to see Ben Stiller on the show again!
@chefaahz6 жыл бұрын
you just made my morning :D
@Macheako6 жыл бұрын
Tackling all the real issues!
@yossischwarz10426 жыл бұрын
Literally LOLed
@squarerootof26 жыл бұрын
Are you saying all Jews are Ben Stiller's lookalikes? I would say it's only about 20%.
@bravonana106 жыл бұрын
Why must everybody compare Harris to Stiller? They don’t look that alike. Listen to what he has to say, he’s extremely intelligent.
@Iversonwings14 жыл бұрын
2:51 is when Sam starts talking about the topic.
@plumberfiddle4 жыл бұрын
Iversonwings thanks!
@sky.the.infinite4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, thanks man.
@omieg894 жыл бұрын
Iversonwings you’re a true hero.
@Candyroxnrulz4 жыл бұрын
You are our Lord and savior
@72vince273 жыл бұрын
Thank you. These guys bullshit too much.
@WeJamWorld2 жыл бұрын
Self-discipline when combined with normal IQ is more than enough for most people to be successful
@mikehansen76102 жыл бұрын
100%.
@violet-trash2 жыл бұрын
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
@sebastianguerre68682 жыл бұрын
Self-discipline also known as conscientiousness is a biological trait, it's not a choice.
@bishopheahmund26642 жыл бұрын
@@sebastianguerre6868 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 STOP WATCHING KZbin VIDEOS AND READ A LITTLE
@sebastianguerre68682 жыл бұрын
@@bishopheahmund2664 Oh dear. You're one of those people that uses feelings to form opinions aren't you.
@captainobvious14156 жыл бұрын
I'm black, with an IQ of 90. I got my degree in electrical engineering and am making 78K a year working on microprocessors. My son is black with an IQ of 102, bright kid. I push him hard on his books, put him in the chess club, put him into AP Calc. Sam is right. The average of a population says nothing about you as an individual. You don't speak for other people who are the same ethnicity as you, you only speak for yourself. Get out there and make the world a better place however you can. Don't let a number define you.
@huey11535 жыл бұрын
Should probably ask for a raise lol
@dougm6598 ай бұрын
I doubt your IQ is as low as 90…that marks you out as well below average and suggests that working on microprocessors would be beyond you….take another test dude!
@joshmeyers3726 жыл бұрын
Joe "there's a lot of factors" Rogan
@elspethsilverstar61366 жыл бұрын
Joe "I'm gonna play it safe" Rogan.
@RockResume3356 жыл бұрын
If he didn’t play it safe his show would be banned. Thank goodness he’s smarter than the rest of us.
@tclem146 жыл бұрын
Josh I look like a post op trans BarbieMeyers 😂😂
@christophharriso6536 жыл бұрын
But fear is not
@amnesiacmyx6 жыл бұрын
The thing is, there are a lot of factors. You should be skeptical of anyone who acts like they have it all figured out.
@anepicflyingbrick_48724 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how everyone’s vocabulary seems to be massively better on videos like this lol
@volitionant96824 жыл бұрын
Folk with an interest in these topics are generally more educated.
@rajasmasala4 жыл бұрын
@@volitionant9682 No, folks with an interest in this topic are trying to look smart. Are you dumber than me? Yes, I think so. Sorry. I do feel like the illuminati when I see these comment sections, despite my lack of real physical wealth.
@zraybroske24164 жыл бұрын
Higher IQ’s.
@nicebluejay4 жыл бұрын
@@volitionant9682 sam always talks like this, the guy's a legit genius.
@jimchambers88104 жыл бұрын
Gold comment, brilliant.
@toddel3213 жыл бұрын
It’s always wise to remember, that as intelligent or skilled you think you are, there is always someone out there that is more intelligent or skilled than you. That is humbling thought.
@Ryo-xx1lm3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the same can't be said about stupidity.
@snowdolphvov41932 жыл бұрын
@@Ryo-xx1lm how?
@divineoverhand53072 жыл бұрын
@@snowdolphvov4193 thinking that there is someone out there more stupid than you, is not a humbling thought..
@mylesofpizza86126 жыл бұрын
Sam Harris torpedoed vacation turned into a movie. Ben Stiller as San Harris omg block buster hit
@MWcrazyhorse6 жыл бұрын
hahaha that's brilliant. Ben Stiller is the 'White Supremacist'.
@Lucas_Jeffrey6 жыл бұрын
I laughed out loud at this. Fantastic idea
@mymathmind6 жыл бұрын
mylesofpizza amazing
@AlBundy654326 жыл бұрын
mylesofpizza I’d watch that, love Ben Stiller, TROPIC THUNDER!!!!
@Americansikkunt6 жыл бұрын
Is your pizza name and profile pic symbolic?
@ObZen11345 жыл бұрын
Nawaz: “Can I say” Clip ends lol
@abuibu4 жыл бұрын
KZbin channel editor: "No you can't Maajid"
@chereshan9064 жыл бұрын
Gamer moment censored
@borzycrn3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I thought my phone died.
@c0smo2634 жыл бұрын
We get it... you guys heard the "vacation" line just like everyone else who watched the video did.
@777superlightwater4 жыл бұрын
Shawn I didn’t hear it.
@jameseames47544 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I try to not pay attention to Harris on the theory that he never says anything interesting.
@samuelwoods66484 жыл бұрын
@@jameseames4754 That's an interesting theory.
@Than_McDowell3 жыл бұрын
@@jameseames4754 yet you search out his videos. Seek help.
@jameseames47543 жыл бұрын
@@Than_McDowell English isn't your strong suit.
@josefwinstone27543 жыл бұрын
"let me just take a couple of minutes to close the various doors to hell that are now ajar based on what we've just said" - Harris, very eloquently put lmao
@lnAmberClad3 жыл бұрын
one of my favorite Sam Harris quotes
@jomocheatham3 жыл бұрын
Classic remark.
@handsofstone18872 жыл бұрын
Harris is awesome!
@faust133019 ай бұрын
@@handsofstone1887 He's one of the smartest dupes alive!
@kingshighway1236 жыл бұрын
Sam "a year is a long time with no vacation" Harris
@TairyHesticles6 жыл бұрын
Sam: "The first vacation I'd taken with my family in a very long time - at least a year" Maajid: "WOW!" Holy shit, how bourgeois. A whole year without a tropical vacation? HOW DOES HE DO IT?!??!??!
@polishstrong42135 жыл бұрын
Seriously, that's exactly what I was thinking. Life must be very tough for them.
@ariftoteles55 жыл бұрын
Vacation doesnt only mean going to tropical islands for 2 weeks. In this case i think it means being free from work for a day or two...
@JanilGarciaJr5 жыл бұрын
Lol yes. aiming for that life
@Jaaammmbbbooo5 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty certain Majid was being sarcastic. If you're not English, you wouldn't get it.
@Tjurenful5 жыл бұрын
@@Jaaammmbbbooo Majid was definently sarcastic.
@levity903 жыл бұрын
It's really simple. As a Puerto Rican from New York with a mom who was a teenage mom and a sister who is a teenage mom, it has to do with culture and what is and isn't acceptable in different cultures. The fact of the matter is that in Hispanic American and black American culture, there are a lot of bad bad habits that exist. One of those being people thinking that it's okay to start having children very young and not prioritize things like school. It's not because we're dumb or we can't go to school or we don't have money. It has to do with culturally accepted norms in our communities. If enough of your friends are having kids before they even graduate high school you're going to think that it's okay too. If your parents don't have more than a high school education you're not going to really see the need to go to college. That being said I think college is becoming more and more obsolete and most degrees don't even pay well. But the bottom line is that it is cultural differences that are the reasons for many communities successes or failures. You're not going to see pregnant 15 year old Chinese girls in NYC. Even if their parents came from nothing and they're living in the ghetto. And you better bet that that kid is going to do well in school even if she's going to the same crappy school that a bunch of black and Latino kids are going to. It is CULTURE. And the more people ignore this and choose not to talk about it the more bad things will continue to happen in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods. I've always said that you could build a brand new shiny beautiful School in the ghetto but if the kids who go there do not appreciate it and value it it's not going to make a difference. And this is for all the "progressives" who think everything is about racism. It's not. Culture and socially acceptable behavior in communities plays the biggest role in how people's lives will turn out. If black celebrities like LeBron James spent half their time talking about how young black men need to stay off the streets and finish school, that would make a hell of a bigger difference than him constantly whining about racism. I've had several family members involved in gang violence. My mom's uncle was found dead in the park. I've also had family members die from drug-related AIDS etc. The problems that exist in our communities can be solved with a cold hard look at our own behavior and how we are raising our children.
@jameseldridge34452 жыл бұрын
IQ determines culture my guy. Save the speech lol
@hampinc67962 жыл бұрын
dude, youre weird asf. you typed all that, about a subject that really isnt that deep. talk about being sensitive to race. on top of that, youre a rican, typing about blacks and browns, lol
@arumba73452 жыл бұрын
@@jameseldridge3445 Some of the richest cultures are born in africa buddy.
@arumba73452 жыл бұрын
@@jameseldridge3445 Black culture created white culture as well.
@jameseldridge34452 жыл бұрын
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@dvankirk7773 жыл бұрын
"Grandfather was working on the railroads in California as an indentured servant and all that privilege trickled down" -Sam Harris. Classic! So funny and so deep to think about....
@trippytv14823 жыл бұрын
Yup being a white man in America was so hard. So many trials and tribulations and oppression.
@josephmwambene32022 жыл бұрын
@@trippytv1482 are you being sarcastic?
@dirxclvck2 жыл бұрын
@@trippytv1482 lmao he said working
@ThumpRat2 жыл бұрын
@@trippytv1482 He was talking about the Chinese. Plus Harris is Jewish.
@zibtihaj3213 Жыл бұрын
That is SAM HARRIS for you
@DanDan-kp4zm6 жыл бұрын
"The average of a population is meaningless with respect to you." Perfectly said.
@dukedematteo19954 жыл бұрын
That is a little misleading....the concept of the regression to mean is definitely part of the IQ discussion. I'd like to know what percentage of American blacks crack an IQ of 100. What percentage cracks 120?
4 жыл бұрын
@@dukedematteo1995 If you don't know how to make that calculation, how can you even have this discussion?. Do you really don't know how to use a Gaussian curve?.
@NebraskaGangCulture4 жыл бұрын
@ I'm not smart enough for any of this
@NebraskaGangCulture4 жыл бұрын
@ yeah bruh I don't do dat. I like history
@tanst99fl4 жыл бұрын
It may be meaningless to your specific individual IQ but not to the type of society you live in. Take Haiti or Honduras or Detroit for example vs Singapore and Norway.
@dogmaslayer86256 жыл бұрын
"please let me closes the various doors of hell we just opened" LOL
@Brainbuster5 жыл бұрын
Mark the time.
@matthewdemars6424 жыл бұрын
I can't help but think Sam is being slightly disingenuous when he says that he is not at all interested in racial differences in IQ. It's a topic that he touches on quite a bit.
@austinharlow86724 жыл бұрын
no he doesnt. lol
@dukedematteo19954 жыл бұрын
He claims the intial conversation with Murray was more about Sam showing solidarity with him, and being against cancel culture... ...and the subsequent convos is Sam defending himself so he has to touch the subject Ive been a fan of Sams for a decade....he never touched the subject until the Murray podcast in 2017.
@dukedematteo19954 жыл бұрын
@@dupersdelite sure minus the whole openly advocating for the white ethno state thing.
@thedudeonmars3 жыл бұрын
Facts he’s constantly talking about religion and race.
@dupersdelite3 жыл бұрын
@Based Log You dont have a "people"
@cybrdelic3 жыл бұрын
When joe Rogan said wow - because sam Harris said he hasn't taken his family on a vacation in about a year - I just thought about how I've never been on a vacation lol
@samuelreed29943 жыл бұрын
It was actually the other guest
@gbeach853 жыл бұрын
What are you doing with your life, man?
@benking91602 жыл бұрын
A year is a long time between holidays when you're rich!
@yuzan36072 жыл бұрын
why?
@cybrdelic2 жыл бұрын
@@yuzan3607 grew up poor. Ig I just subconsciously internalized that I was never be able to afford vacations or time off, so it never crossed my mind as a real possibility. However, since that comment, I've taken 3 business trips to Ohio which were kind of like vacations.
@Greyskymorning3956 жыл бұрын
Joe should do an episode with Charles Murray.
@8989griff6 жыл бұрын
That’d be a good one
@Just_Brigood6 жыл бұрын
But joe’s not smart enough to push back on any topics he’s not already familiar with so he’ll just agree with everything Murray says ... maybe have Bret Weinstein on with him or even Peterson
@SomeFeen6 жыл бұрын
Just_Bri two weinsteins. Full hive mind must be present.
@fograw56 жыл бұрын
Greg Marat charles murray is a hack
@lostinspace44176 жыл бұрын
Just_Bri peterson and murray would disagree on what? At least regarding Islam.
@Whoknowsuknow6 жыл бұрын
I find accepting concerning facts regarding my gender or race to be liberating. As long as they're just presented as facts, without demeaning commentary. The first step in fixing a problem is acknowledging it exists.
@M0ebius6 жыл бұрын
Whoknowsuknow Very hard to segregate the two.
@Whoknowsuknow6 жыл бұрын
It's the different between news and opinion, objective and subjective. They are two very distinct categories in my opinion.
@dumdude10836 жыл бұрын
All one has to do is present the facts as they are and interject no biased interpretation of said facts because usually those interpretations are wrong
@raph2ael6 жыл бұрын
Honestly as a black person I certainly didn't feel liberated in regards to this subject.
@M0ebius6 жыл бұрын
Whoknowsuknow What I mean is that you present people with facts, and they are gonna have opinions. On the otherhand you could say that facts are in and of themselves pointless if it generates no opinions.
@jeffrunge64273 жыл бұрын
"..the first vacation I've taken with my family in a very long time. At least a year." "Wow!" Thats what got me! Lol
@DaDaDo6612 жыл бұрын
Wow you don't go to Hawaii at least twice a year? Peasant
@JesseSwaney3 жыл бұрын
The concerning thing to me is, Imagine the statistics were reversed. It would be celebrated..
@markusnoble5533 жыл бұрын
Yes this is terrible 😔
@ws80613 жыл бұрын
IDK about celebrated but it certainly wouldn't be near as taboo
@kalel333 жыл бұрын
@@ws8061 Really? We just had a major story of a black girl winning her state spelling bee. Why? Because it just doesn't happen so we have to make a big deal out of it, with the Indian kids in the corner wondering why they're minority isn't celebrated for winning all the time.
@zachkh2 жыл бұрын
It’s almost like it never was meant to measure intelligence except in a very narrow western way.
@kalel332 жыл бұрын
@@zachkh Hmm, that's an astute assumption, except that South East Asians have the highest IQ. Weird that people from the East have a higher IQ than those from the West and it's meant to give an advantage to Westerners. As you should tell, I'm being sarcastic in blowing up your theory.
@Jared__Bowden4 жыл бұрын
All the commenters that are fixated on Sam not having a vacation for a year, need to take a vacation.
@yasminegomez58623 жыл бұрын
@Silver Lady but i don't understand... Are people in the comments complaining because in the USA you don't have many days off? Or do they mean "vacation" as in going to a foreign country?
@DrPhilm-vi7lx3 жыл бұрын
@@yasminegomez5862 Vacation here just means getting out of town. Americans don’t get that many vacation days compared to other first world countries
@ifunkersmusic98465 жыл бұрын
Not one comment below about the actual topic under discussion. That in itself is very Interesting...
@_VISION.5 жыл бұрын
Including this one lmaooo
@prosperitynuggets5 жыл бұрын
Well, you're on youtube. People who are intellectual enough to discuss these ideas generally avoid doing so in this platform because they're likely to be ignored. Funny comments are usually upvoted to the top and discussions in the bottom. Same thing happens on reddit..but to a slightly lesser extent
@Thefunkeemonkee4 жыл бұрын
Who do you think waste their time you-tubing this topics rather than reading a book? Us....
@TheEderSaul4 жыл бұрын
Great point actually
@AMan-xy3lx4 жыл бұрын
Isn't it just peaceful and fun tho!
@pn25433 жыл бұрын
It is now impossible to tell the truth about race and crime or race and IQ without being censored or physically attacked, whats up with that?
@zucc30393 жыл бұрын
Very thin line that can cause serious discrimination. Hate groups would openly use it to degrade ones humanity
@thejaywall933 жыл бұрын
I'm fully for discussion of these topics so long as theyre conducted by people who take it seriously and act in good faith as so many online weirdos with sinister motives and intentions refuse to do.
@bluejlight89353 жыл бұрын
Because it has nothing to do with race and more to do with economics and opertunity
@VVayVVard3 жыл бұрын
IQ should definitely be mentioned in discussions regarding university admission rates, incarceration rates, differences in average income and so on, since it explains all disparities attributed to "systemic racism" by some people on the Left.
@thejaywall933 жыл бұрын
@@VVayVVard seems a rather bold claim that IQ alone would explain the disparities in those areas you mentioned, furthermore that our current understanding of IQ is comprehensive enough to make objective judgements on the matter.
@theleatherface69414 жыл бұрын
Imagine being violently attacked for scientifically proven facts...... yup, that’s where we are.
@KPITGangsta4 жыл бұрын
Nope. Only true if you blatantly ignore the destruction of prospering communities that are deemed intellectually inferior that was fully backed and supported by the US government’s control propaganda.
@Chris-bs4qy4 жыл бұрын
@@KPITGangsta and look at your screen name.....you seem proud or have some sort of respect for "gangstas". Gangsters are weak minded fools who destroy their own communities.
@ThePeanutButterCup134 жыл бұрын
@@Chris-bs4qy you're fucking stupid
@datvo30764 жыл бұрын
The Leatherface what is scientifically proven? Im curious do you unironically believed that there is an actual link between race and IQ beside fucking weird correlation? That doesn’t take into account environmental factor? I wonder if any one of you dumb fuck that believe Sam Harris idea actually read actual data that he cited because majority of these studies are super fucking flawed and no honest academic would take these shit seriously .
@knowitall38924 жыл бұрын
@GonzotheGonz1 so no one every rapped and pilliged Somalia? Yea u right
@bastelnooristany23306 жыл бұрын
“ haven’t been on a vacation in a long time” “It’s been a a little over a year” Lol this dude is not self aware at all
@Nictro4206 жыл бұрын
Bastel Nooristany privilege. He lives in the ivory tower
@xander59936 жыл бұрын
Bastel Nooristany White people smh
@silverman8246 жыл бұрын
I haven't been on vacation in 5 years lol
@bigchungus70506 жыл бұрын
Bastel Nooristany I go camping every year and consider that a vacation ? It's not that expensive and is only for a week or two it's not as hard to take a vacation as people think
@d.sanders27686 жыл бұрын
+DARkXxxlord get the fuck outta here. U obviously don't know who sam harris is.
@mdbouton6 жыл бұрын
havent been on vacation in a year what a struggle
@seanj63336 жыл бұрын
Doubt he was complaining, he was telling a story and threw that in for build up purposes
@justinjones52816 жыл бұрын
Yeah I have to go twice a year
@mrebola90786 жыл бұрын
discodench then get a better a job so you can afford a vacation or cut expenses elsewhere .
@2CSST26 жыл бұрын
Your life must be so hard
@PEPPERS7776 жыл бұрын
"waaw"
@hheythered3 жыл бұрын
I feel like alot of words were spoken, but nothing was really said
@renderlessgames3 жыл бұрын
As usual with Sam but not always
@drewdewitt43973 жыл бұрын
He should be a politician
@barfyman-3624 жыл бұрын
When Sam says it’s been a very long time since his last vacation... at least a year!
@scottbell58225 жыл бұрын
The idea that every race would have identical levels if intelligence across the board is completely "anti-science". Of course, treating another race like they are above/beneath you for these reasons would be absurd because averages are largely made up of 2 extremes.
@damiandeamici11458 ай бұрын
The problem is that the very idea of race does not match up to genetic differences, it is mostly a result of skin color differences later esencialidad as determining what human beings are. So the idea of IQ measuring differently across races implies social and historical differences that can be addressed, as opposed to innate intelligence levels that you can do nothing about.
@vistalover96078 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as race so your starting premise is already flawed. If you mean different genetic groups, that is more of a spectrum but even that is complicated by the fact that throughout history people have moved but especially in modern times people have moved a lot. Case in point Nigerian-Americans are incredibly successful. Moreso than many groups of Americans if you grouped them by national origin
@michaelregis10157 ай бұрын
You know what else is completely anti-science: the concept of race itself. Modern classifications of human races do not correspond with anything we know about genetics and that there is not enough variance in the human population to even classify us as different races (there's more genetic variance within a chimp troop than between a Khoi-San and and a Mongolian). That was shown through the Human Genome Project decades ago.
@Ryattt816 жыл бұрын
I set up a Twitter when it started and never went back. I think it's toxic. I've been following Sam Harris for over a decade and he's never looked like such a badass.
@BlueHat12 жыл бұрын
I commented something like "I think incest is wrong" on a post about half-brothers dating and the people on Twitter called me homophobic. Can you believe that? It's so dumb.
@GeneralFactCheck6 ай бұрын
Black self esteem is less important than the destroyed livelihoods of innocent scientists that dared to publish or speak about this, including the discoverer of the double helix DNA structure; James Watson (Still living and oppressed/censored).
@NanakiRowan6 ай бұрын
There is nothing "innocent" about Watson, nor he is oppressed or censored. He is simply an old, sexist, racist cook who makes comments without substantiating them.
@ArchHades3 жыл бұрын
Notice all the channels talking about this like Stefan Molyneux and Alternative Hypothesis have been banned from KZbin. Scary times we live in.
@guesswhoscomingtoyoutube3 жыл бұрын
not really the white nationalist stuff has worn thin
@dominikrocco41453 жыл бұрын
Big tech is afraid of losing control of their egalitarianism and radical environmentalist meta narrative
@LIQUIDSNAKEz286 жыл бұрын
9:33 "....I see what's coming. The more we understand ourselves, genetically and environmentally, if we go looking and even if we're not looking, we WILL discover differences between groups. And the endgame for us as a species is not to deny that those differences exist OR could possibly exist, BUT to deny that they have real political implications." AMEN
@dutch19993 жыл бұрын
Except that they do have real political implications whether we like it or not. You will never build a country on the level of say Switzerland with the gene pool found in Somalia. We may wish that all men are created equal but nature has clearly not made it so, perhaps for good reason.
@liam42043 жыл бұрын
@@dutch1999 wrong
@Spreadlove56833 жыл бұрын
Political implications are real. With genetic sperm/egg cell selection or CRISPR, it will be interesting how everything unfolds. No need to change skin color I'm sure.
@VVayVVard3 жыл бұрын
Calls for an ethnostate are overblown, but some political measures would be useful to reduce the IQ disparity between different groups. This would reduce "statistical racism" and allow the left to focus on more constructive pursuits once differences in income and incarceration rates became less pronounced. And you don't need to do much to reduce differences; IQ variation is mostly hereditary in nature, so all you need to do is to incentivize high-IQ individuals of minorities to produce more children.
@Bae_Cop20276 жыл бұрын
Not a lot of things bum me out, but the comment section on Joe's vids always does the trick.
@samjerbs6 жыл бұрын
yeahh, don't even know where to start with it. rogan obviously attracts a lot of right wingers, bigots, racists and morons. sad times. doesn't help that he worships charlatans like Peterson and this Harris tool
@ds14026 жыл бұрын
I like how Joe talks to ANYBODY. Even pricks like Sam Harris and hilarious/sad whackos like Alex Jones
@georgegraham60696 жыл бұрын
neoslasher09 don't read it then. Problem solved.
@jozan96 жыл бұрын
+ Sam Jones How is Peterson a charlatan?
@nikolavideomaker6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Buchovecky jordan peterson reasoning sound, yours not so much.
@appa6094 жыл бұрын
Also keep in mind this is a western study. The Asians they polled aren’t Chinese rice farmers. They’re much more likely the lawyers and businesspeople who made it to Europe and America. Not because they’re trying to mislead probably but just because actually getting a representative sample of “everyone” is real flipping hard.
@mar46123 жыл бұрын
@Bob Bob imagine thinking that those left out due to economic reasons are just “the weak” being filtered
@VVayVVard3 жыл бұрын
@@mar4612 It's good to note that IQ and wealth are strongly correlated, so we can assume that the ones left out would have scored lower than the ones that were included, on average.
@zhinan8882 жыл бұрын
There are some very smart Chinese rice farmers, seriously.
@IvanMoncure2 жыл бұрын
@@mar4612 they didn’t call them weak, just acknowledged that doctors and lawyers and others who immigrate to rich nations have a higher than average IQ. This is obviously and observably true
@TheGatsby1986 Жыл бұрын
Well take a look at China/South Korea/ Japan, Taiwan, Singapore... basically any country with lots of East asians in it becomes developed and is advanced... so dont give me that garbage that only smart asians come to the west...
@giuvvbobb60secondsislife713 жыл бұрын
In my experience being honest and having an opinion, automatically puts you in a line of fire
@001yael3 жыл бұрын
Probably says something about you more than others
@klash35323 жыл бұрын
@@001yael Saying anything of importance is automatically going to put you in the line of fire. It doesn't say anything about him, it's just the way it is.
@yeetboiboid7513 жыл бұрын
@@klash3532 It actually does. This idea of "I'm just beign honest" is a line constantly touted by racists
@klash35323 жыл бұрын
@@yeetboiboid751 No, it doesn't. By saying literally anything you risk being offensive. You can't have a serious conversation in front of an audience and not risk being offensive because people have different opinions, and that's okay, but it is impossible to not risk offending anyone when speaking.
@theprousteffect97173 жыл бұрын
No. Having an opinion that's upsetting and challenges the dominant worldview in society, puts you in the line of fire, and understandably so.
@ericsbuds6 жыл бұрын
sorry Sam, Elon Musk doesn't get out of bed in the morning. He gets off the factory floor. Don't you watch this channel???!
@axeman26386 жыл бұрын
I guess when you are stupid as he is you have to put in twice as much time.
@Silidons916 жыл бұрын
Elon Musk would be broke if it weren't for us tax payers helping his 'private' company...
@Choobus6 жыл бұрын
@Silidons So would Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler. If anyone deserves tax dollars its companies like Tesla who make huge advancements in technology rather than sheer profits.
@jklhjkhjl6 жыл бұрын
wtf is tesla doing thats so great its all just a ego boost for musk sending bloody cars to space with your tax money
@axeman26386 жыл бұрын
+Raging_AppIe, what tech advances? Nothing new there, all existed long before Muck came along.
@Snarge225 жыл бұрын
Back around the 3rd or 4th grade my son was complaining about all the stupid and problem kids disrupting the class. I told him as soon as he can to take the hardest classes when they become available as those kids won't be in them. Sure enough, once he was in the 6th grade and had some class options he told me they were gone. Once he became a freshman in high school he told me he rarely had to deal with those kids anymore enabling more focus while in the classroom.
@Mo74mmad3 жыл бұрын
Ok
@HybridSoldier7773 жыл бұрын
That's how it was. Wait till the diversity quotas kick in for the sake of "equality"
@BassGoThump3 жыл бұрын
@@billybatts9491 True but the liberal arts people end up on the radio and tv and news stations pushing their garbage on everyone with an ear to hear.
@soralink4113 жыл бұрын
I think you deceiving the concept of time maturing children
@hampinc67962 жыл бұрын
amazing how a smart Son could have such an idiot Father. How did that happen? lol
@appa6094 жыл бұрын
IQ is a good measure under some circumstances but we know all sorts of external things affect it. Experiments show that test performance is tied strongly to reported stress, for example.
@BlueHat12 жыл бұрын
When I was taking the SATs I was so nervous and stressed that I made mistakes I had never made before. I scored very low at grammar related questions, yet I was the best at them in school. Good performance in tests isn't solely effected by IQ.
@istvanpraha3 жыл бұрын
Intelligence is an under-discussed issue. Working in a multi-faceted analytical role in corporate America....I’ve met and talked to and interviewed loads of people who couldn’t handle it. It’s kind of sad when you test someone’s limits and realize they aren’t high enough to do lucrative work. People take that as an insult or try to tear you down, instead of treated intelligence as a trait we can measure.
@seth89333 жыл бұрын
Lol are you Jordan Peterson's anonymous KZbin account?
@jonahnesmith70043 жыл бұрын
Have you seen a racial trend? If so, are you implying that it would be an inherent trait?
@istvanpraha3 жыл бұрын
@@jonahnesmith7004 Not really, I've only seen differences between individual people, I think our society does a disservice pretending we're all on the same in terms of intelligence when we are not. The media is indeed dividing people by gender and race constantly, but that's not where the actual divide is.
@Schixotica5 жыл бұрын
IQ has no political implications? Hmm🤔
@jimmyfallon24845 жыл бұрын
Most of everything has political implications because people now adays like it like that
@GuitarD306 жыл бұрын
Why did he say ‘wow’ when he said the first time his family took a vacation in a very long time at least a year? What’s so surprising about that?
@randomjuggler20104 жыл бұрын
He wasn't being sarcastic, for them that is a long time
@micahjohnsonboxing64094 жыл бұрын
@Karen Patterson it is a long time, rich people take 4 vacations a year.
@tomtimelord78764 жыл бұрын
What Sam doesn't mention is that the methodology Charles Murray used to write the Bell Curve was extremely flawed. Limited sample sizes, cherry-picked data. It was terrible science.
@p382742937423y42 жыл бұрын
Said anyone with An agenda on this topic.
@tomtimelord78762 жыл бұрын
@@p382742937423y4 If you're insinuating that I have a woke agenda, while Charles Murray is merely an objective, impartial purveyor of scientific research, you should really look into the guy's history. Murray has an agenda. That's fine. The crime is that his bias taints his science. If you think he's objective, ask yourself this: why did he include IQ tests that were administered in English to Africans who DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH? And why did he exclude follow up studies where the same testees, after having months to improve their English language skills, did better on the test? Look, I can tolerate a conservative. What I can't stomach is someone who cheats on their homework.
@p382742937423y42 жыл бұрын
@@tomtimelord7876 I agree with the latter statement. I think the subject of human capacities and their relation to dna should be studied scientifically. It can help us in many ways (not just medicine and health care). Its a shame human petty dislikes for people not like them puts a taboo on trying to understand what we are.
@williamkazenas81933 жыл бұрын
“6k tweets”...”not a big twitter user”
@christopherapps30256 жыл бұрын
I don't know why people get so upset with Sam Harris he's pretty benign
@christopherapps30256 жыл бұрын
God Bless yeesh ..sorry I asked
@henryford11606 жыл бұрын
God Bless Glad someone is woke
@brianmurphy53136 жыл бұрын
you're so 'woke' that you can make such silly jokes. Oh mercy
@christopherapps30256 жыл бұрын
Eva Braun haha butt hurt
@binal-flecki23876 жыл бұрын
he's a JEW
@akindelebankole80806 жыл бұрын
This is so beautiful to see Sam having a great conversation with these incredible guys. I'm an a sub Saharan African American, and I wonder if these awesome guys can help me determine my potential. I wonder if anyone agrees that black Africa made a mistake to accept the Christian religion. This, I believe, is a major detriment to black peoples. Any reasonable person can see that Africa is clearly ill-served by worshipping and following foreign religious concept. Good for the guys saying their peace man.
@notloki33772 жыл бұрын
if you listen to bret weinstein and joe rogan talk about the difference between a religion and a cult, they do a good job of explaining how religious thinking evolved and how it's not just people being stupid and superstitious. societies with a story like guideline to moral behavior tend to outcompete ones which don't. it's a big problem for the west because we don't have a guiding narrative and we are starting to get crazy and worship money or sjw type stuff as a result. but your potential is yours. don't define yourself by your group average, your potential is unique to you man.
@blackmore42 жыл бұрын
@Akindele Bankole Personally, I think that anyone accepting any religion today is a bad idea but I also agree with Not Loki's observation that, historically, the "guiding narrative" of Judeo-Christian ethics was a big part of how the west became the most powerful and civilised culture on earth. Regarding "black Africa", I'd say they made a bigger mistake in "accepting" Islam. Then again, there wasn't much choice involved. As with most of the countries which Mohammed's armies 'converted', it was either 'convert' or die.
@kenaustin36122 жыл бұрын
Maybe African natives should have stuck to worship of pagan idols and voodoo. That would have propelled their welfare in the world
@kevyriverside80822 жыл бұрын
I would like to make a point about how christianity was taught in S.S.Africa. When missionaries were spreading it inland from the coasts they stressed mostly on the beatitudes that mostly were about accepting suffering for a great reward in the afterlife. This specific approach primed those africans for colonial subjugation and non-resistance to it
@riseoftheright42162 жыл бұрын
@@kevyriverside8082 judeo religion is a bad thing for all peoples of the world
@DrMJC134 жыл бұрын
Sam Harris should read for audiobooks. Great voice
@natureshorts66574 жыл бұрын
He reads at least some of his own books. I highly recommend them.
@jfish0324 жыл бұрын
He sounds dead inside.
@joselefian81294 жыл бұрын
Jordan Fisher not really. Great voice.
@jfish0324 жыл бұрын
He has a good voice for sure, but he's got dull and condescending vibes, with notes of whininess as well. Though he is very intelligent and logical. IMO
@mustafaziyaakgul33314 жыл бұрын
Steven Pinker sounds great also.
@buzzardneckseahag4 жыл бұрын
The stupidity of Facebook and Twitter, to me, are some of the biggest problems for humans today That is why I do not have a Facebook or Twitter account I’d rather spend time with my family and friends especially my children
@bign3ck3 жыл бұрын
Yes it seems to be full of freaks and weirdos who will eventually commit suicide, I have never used that garbage, who cares what some random freak thinks?
@MrDarhoe6 жыл бұрын
Joe Rogans' day must be 30hrs long. The man gets shit done
@neragato59605 жыл бұрын
Twin studies would be very helpful for this, though there are ethical issues that make them rather unlikely. Hypothetically though, if you compared the IQ differences of twins raised in the same environment vs the IQ differences between twins with one raised in a slum and the other raised in privilege, you could get a pretty good estimate for the degree to which genetics contribute to IQ.
@nondescriptnyc3 жыл бұрын
Nera Gato TONS of twin studies have been conducted with both MZ and DZ twins, and the results have been consistent. Heritability of IQ has been shown to be between 40-80%, and this range is not considered controversial at all in the scientific community.
@WillyOrca2 жыл бұрын
@@nondescriptnyc exactly. The number is put between 60-80%. So essentially, as much as 80% of what determines someone's IQ can be attributed to their genetics. Meaning any differences in the mean average IQ among the races are almost certainly a result of each groups respective genes.
@lastraven72052 жыл бұрын
@@WillyOrca the funny part is when people say that they think that it's possible to raise someone's iq but in reality it just means that if those twins were supposed to have let's say a 120 iq. it could drop lower because of a bad environment
@revachoa71652 жыл бұрын
@@WillyOrca I don't think you can draw that conclusion. 80% of individual variation in IQ within whites (and also within blacks?) may be attributable to genetic variation but the black-white difference itself could still be due to the same environmental factors accounting for 20% of within group variation if those differed sufficiently between groups. It is also possible that there exist specific environmental factors that contribute to differences between groups but not to individual differences within groups so that they are not captured by twin studies. The obvious candidates for such a factor in America would have to be either "racism" or "black culture" depending on which ideological camp you adhere to I think
@WillyOrca2 жыл бұрын
@@revachoa7165 Yeah except we have adoption studies too and the evidence is overwhelmingly supportive of the idea that genetics are the predominate determinative for IQ.
@ItsTheMunz3 жыл бұрын
I’m not gonna pretend I’m one of those righteous people above all forms of social media but I’ve never gone on Twitter in my life and there is no doubt in my mind that my life is better because of that fact.
@Belenus30802 жыл бұрын
“All truth passes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident.” -Arthur Schopenhauer We are on phase two.
@cortneyrens9 ай бұрын
True! I don’t understand why facts are so controversial, they are pure unbiased truths. Like the backlash against the Bell Curve author, the people with the most hate towards the book just read critiques of it and didn’t read one page of the actual book. Those with the strongest opinions seem to know the littlest about the subject many times
@Belenus30809 ай бұрын
@@cortneyrens yes. It is because the very concept of truth has been distorted by our governing forces in the west since WWII. The level of anti-western, anti-white brainwashing is closely akin to the totalitarian ideologies of communist China and North Korea, in the sense that questioning it leads to every kind of public ostracism short of throwing you in jail. If many of todays young marxists had their way, people like us would indeed be thrown in jail, or worse, and I fully expect that such things will happen once this generation of thoroughly brainwashed social marxists come into positions of power.
@tartanhandbag5 жыл бұрын
The openness of the IQ/genes (and individual differences in general) debate is the canary in the coalmine, not Charles Murray.
@trollop_74 жыл бұрын
Which coalmine might that be?
@tartanhandbag4 жыл бұрын
@@trollop_7 in the video @8:25 Sam says "maybe he [Charles Murray] is the canary in the coalmine". "canary in the coalmine" is an idiom derived from when miners would take canary birds down with them into the mines because canary birds are sensitive to noxious fumes. If the canary stopped tweeting or passed out, the miners knew to get out coz danger was imminent ( idioms.thefreedictionary.com/canary+in+a+coal+mine ). In this metaphor, Murray is supposed to be the proverbial canary in the "coalmine" of society, warning us of the imminent toxicity of closing down debate. In my example, im subverting the premise, expressing the opinion that Charles Murray is not a canary or useful barrometer of progressive discourse. I am suggesting that the relative openness of the IQ/gene debate, however, is.
@sandramitic89483 жыл бұрын
@@tartanhandbag if there was a possibility to replicate you so that we could have this kind of great elaboration and culture dialog...the world would be a better place.
@tartanhandbag3 жыл бұрын
@Not Today yes, indeed he is, which is why i also commented to this video another comment with the following statement: Just to put it out there (again) ...race has no biological basis. This topic has been done to death: all the way from Ashley Montagu's "Man’s Most Dangerous Myth: The Fallacy of Race" back in 1942 through to Angela Saini's recent "Superior: The Return of Race Science: The Mad Science of Race and its Fatal Return" in 2019. You'd have to be a total fool not to see what's wrong with Charles Murray and his arguments. And no, i don't think he's a rampant proponent of white supremacy per se, but he ends up pandering to it, whether he intends to or not. We are responsible for the predictable outcomes of our actions and Charles Murray knew the consequences of his actions; that's why he recommends policy and sits on the board of conservative think tanks. and Sam i-call-myself-a-neuroscientist-but-am-actually-a-trust-fund-religious-studies-graduate Harris totally panders to it, seemingly because he spends more time reading The Bell Curve (a highly discredited, 40 years out of date rag by a non-expert conservative lobbyist) than he does reviewing the contemporary literature on the topic that's coming out on a month by month basis in scientific journals, much of which is genuinely interesting. some "neuroscientist", lol.
@dvg41043 жыл бұрын
@@tartanhandbag -- Yeah but... Ashley Montagu (Elia Ehrenberg) and Angela Saini were wrong. They are protectors of a false narrative.
@raulmacias30935 жыл бұрын
A book that dives into parts of this conversation is Outliers by Malcom Gladwell, for anyone interested.
@adempc5 жыл бұрын
thanks -
@sergiupobereznic3 жыл бұрын
"The average of a population is meaningless with respect to the individual." -Sam Harris-
@Zeyede_Seyum3 жыл бұрын
Time to make myself *important*
@frankviator83153 жыл бұрын
Sure, buddy.
@youpeopleareinsane12853 жыл бұрын
Easy to say when you aren’t the inferior one
@Flat_Earth_Addy10 ай бұрын
Because the average is so low.
@frostzillathespatulizer2044 жыл бұрын
6 or 7 thousand tweets, I wasn't really tweeting that much...smh
@anizzutz11075 жыл бұрын
I didn't know Joe had Councilman Jeremy Jam on the show... cool.
@somethingsomethingdangerzo21075 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@andrewwagner99014 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo
@JasonRyanWilson4105 жыл бұрын
First and foremost education should start at home! Then when you send your child to a public or private schools, you should be engaged with the teachers teaching your children.
@WAX11384 жыл бұрын
Right. In between their multiple yearly vacations.
@thapelomaraisane87054 жыл бұрын
YES PLEASE
@theprousteffect97173 жыл бұрын
Obviously. But the most unfit parents (generally the least intelligent), don't do those things.
@capt.pseudonymous1883 жыл бұрын
It's difficult for uneducated parents
@CuriousConnoisseurs3 жыл бұрын
I like how he keeps Eyecontact with both.
@barcafan12316 ай бұрын
Just google average IQ scores by countries and you will get the answer.
@twatbass5 жыл бұрын
Sam Harris is trying so hard to be politically correct and not misspeak that hes hard to listen to.
@BenGmanUk4 жыл бұрын
That's because he is constantly taken out of context. He has to be.
@vinsanity9826 жыл бұрын
The Ben Stiller and Billy Mays love child is a brilliant guy
@Jaybles21134 жыл бұрын
I can absolutely understand why people don’t want these discussions to take place. These facts are some of the most uncomfortable buts of objective truth that we could possibly discover about the reality in which we all exist. It just feels wrong. But this is a painful aspect of being the conscious, self-examining products of this neutral universe: there are things that we could and will discover about ourselves and our broader reality that are really, deeply unpleasant. And I understand why people might be concerned about the social and cultural consequences of the widespread knowledge and understanding of these facts. Those are, in my opinion, completely legitimate fears. That being said, it’s not gonna do to start trying to insist that uncomfortable facts be ignored and rejected, and it is most certainly not acceptable to try to punish those who discover these uncomfortable facts or discuss them. That is a disturbing, totalitarian method of engaging with the truth that just can’t be supported or allowed to continue. I do think it’s probably important to recognize and validate the fears of those who might be tempted to suppress discussion of subjects like this though. To pretend like they’re at all unreasonable seems foolish to me. If I was a black man listening to talks on this subject, I would probably be a little worried and feel a little bit threatened, my own iq aside. This data has got to be any real racist’s dream- it seems to confirm some aspects of some really significant, ugly stereotypes that have had a long run as justifications for real racism. Oh well, science, much like the universe, simply can’t be fucked to care about our feelings about any of it.
@gierno48284 жыл бұрын
Pr3ssPl4y he doesn’t care
@jenniferedmond28974 жыл бұрын
This is such a slippery slope
@thevictor51162 жыл бұрын
the race iq debate has constantly been debunked tho.
@immanuelcunt72962 жыл бұрын
@@thevictor5116 prove it
@thevictor51162 жыл бұрын
@@immanuelcunt7296 do you have discord
@craigrussell30623 жыл бұрын
It's like, we all know that we need to just shut down twitter to get everything back to normal, but nobody can say it
@gee_emm6 жыл бұрын
wow - not even ONE mention of the fact that THAT book was widely discredited. how disappointing...
@jray14615 жыл бұрын
From the studies I've looked into, I'm concluding that there isn't a measurable difference in intelligence between "races" -- instead, there IS a measurable difference in interests, motivation and desires between races WHICH AFFECTS how each race displays intelligence.
@PhillipUranus5 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Ray Unfortunately I can only like this comment once...
@Patrick31835 жыл бұрын
That’s cultural
@nondescriptnyc3 жыл бұрын
J Ray I can see how you’d arrive at such a conclusion if you read writings by humanities scholars and journalists. I don’t think reading scientific papers on this topic in the field of cognitive sciences, cognitive neuroscience, psychometrics or their related fields would, in any way, lead to such a conclusion.
@doreilly76894 жыл бұрын
The comment section is glorious, I'll be coming back, much like a sick minecraft map there's to much gold here for 1 trip alone😂
@chuyalexis14113 жыл бұрын
People actually lose sleep over something someone said on the internet? Glad I got cussed out by grown men on bo2
@timvseveryone65835 жыл бұрын
Don't bother scrolling. 1. 7k tweets 2. Vacation 3. Ben Stiller. 4. Joe "tired joke" Rogan. 5. Im asian, we know we're smart
@timvseveryone65835 жыл бұрын
@@justinoz06 im dellusional so not in my world
@mrose41326 жыл бұрын
“I only Tweeted like 6, or 7 THOUSAND times so I didn’t really tweet that much”. Hahahaha okay.
@amazed665 жыл бұрын
That's in almost a decade and he isn't exactly your average person considering he has over one million followers, so no doubt many of his tweets will reflect that.
@AnthonyShuker4 жыл бұрын
Can tell you haven't used twitter.
@zinoubensalah89394 жыл бұрын
check out piers morgan tweet count
@tr00logic44 жыл бұрын
Twitter is for fucking morons, change my mind.
@cron11653 жыл бұрын
@@tr00logic4 I cant
@zachary97063 жыл бұрын
“First vacation I had taken in a very long time - almost a year”. Wow lol. I never even experience a vacation until I was an adult... and then I’m lucky to go every couple few years. Must be nice lmao! 😂
@skyblue99914 жыл бұрын
"We have to engineer tides that raise all the boats." I like that.
@skyblue99914 жыл бұрын
@r9000333m No dude, this is about equality of opportunity... not equality of outcome.
@lowroad42574 жыл бұрын
SkyBlue but don’t you have equality of opportunity only if people start at the same place? Terrible schools, endemic poverty, etc.
@skyblue99914 жыл бұрын
@@lowroad4257 Yeah. Equality of opportunity will probably never be possible but its definitely something we should strive for. Schools and poverty are a great place to start.
@lowroad42574 жыл бұрын
SkyBlue we are on the same page.
@VitaminCBable4 жыл бұрын
Should we? So many social systems backfire. The more money we pump in to these services are probably best left to themselves.
@galagroisman20796 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me to buy Charles Murray’s book.
@michaelr.48786 жыл бұрын
It is great. Race and IQ is real thing. Why not examine it? Why not to help? Universities have found ways to get rid of tenured professors for addressing this topic. The deem it unethical. Philip Ruston, a Canadian professor wrote about it even more than Murray and he was essentially labelled as the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Ruston didn't try to sugar coat anything. Regardless if you like his approach, you cannot say anything about his data. He did extensive research in South Africa, where he could evaluate a 'mixed population' and everything checked out as predicted. ...For years, it was driven me crazy that Asian students needed higher marks to get into schools. At the same schools, black students get in with much lower marks than whites. It is absolutely ridiculous. When the merit of ones' work means nothing, our society is truly messed up.
@micahjohnsonboxing64096 жыл бұрын
Gala Groisman Don't forget Mein Kampf too.
@galagroisman20796 жыл бұрын
Officer Down Boxing I didn’t get your point...
@galagroisman20796 жыл бұрын
Pr3ssPl4y Are you talking about Richard Lynn? The term "Flynn effect" is now standard in the psychological literature to refer to secular increases in IQ. Lynn has also argued that the high fertility rate among individuals of low IQ constitutes a major threat to Western civilization, as he believes people with low IQ scores will eventually outnumber high-IQ individuals. You think this racist?
@piershartley61916 жыл бұрын
+Michael R That's hilarious, you used rushton and data in the same sentence! Don't you find it a bit weird how the guy who was funded entirely by a eugenicist is the only one to consistently find differences between racial groupings?
@Epicfail9115 жыл бұрын
Binet (the inventor of the test) stressed the limitations of the test, suggesting that intelligence is far too broad a concept to quantify with a single number. Instead, he insisted that intelligence is influenced by a number of factors, that it changes over time, and that it can only be compared to children with similar backgrounds. IQ tests gauge symbolic logic only. Intelligence is far too multifaceted - there are too many variables. Your environment plays the most important part. Example, “Some” Asians for example go to school, AFTER regular school is complete for hours, then once home, it is back to studying. There are upsides to this kind of lifestyle; one of those being the ability to breeze through IQ test - a downside could be social awkwardness etc.
@vincemelson96555 жыл бұрын
Thank you Carl, its always nice to see reasoning in these comments sections where your averedge joe suddenly reveals their sympathy with black and white racism.
@Epicfail9115 жыл бұрын
Timothy Clarke you refute the words of the creator of the IQ test? I mean, I kinda quoted him verbatim. Seems like you need to “feel good” about your BS. This argument only fuels the insecurity of racists. I understand that due to your biases and whatever else it is that is removing any logical reasoning from your argument, that it will be impossible to change your mind - but those are the words of the creator of the test. 🤷🏼♂️
@DonnieBrasco-dy9yd5 жыл бұрын
@@Epicfail911 You use anecdotal evidence and claim that you're in favor of using logic? Use logic and explain how your claims, even if they're true, make the IQ scores irrelevant. Do they measure nothing of merit? Use that same logic and explain why the IQ scores between races are directly mirrored in the results of common measures of success between races in society.
@ifunkersmusic98465 жыл бұрын
This is precisely the point about IQ tests, they evaluate most of the factors that help you succeed in modern society, but if you don't live in a modern society you will score badly. It evaluates human factors that are affected by environmental and social factors like nutrition, health care and education... discovering 3rd world nations have lower IQ only indicates what a role environment plays on average intelligence over generations.
@Andrew-hk8qi5 жыл бұрын
IQ is the single best predictor of general life outcome. It has stood 100 years of idiotic scrutiny from the likes of you and is still the most validated concept in all the social sciences. IQ doesnt need your support, the data supports it more than data supports anything outside the field of mathematics.
@horseluva572 жыл бұрын
12 freaking minutes and he never finished the story of how he torpedoed his family vacation.
@bcor42193 жыл бұрын
Sam Harris speaking: Best unintentional ASMR ever.
@crazycashlarry6 жыл бұрын
Couple months ago he called Stefan Molyneux a closeted racist because he spent too much time on IQ and race. Now he gets the same treatment from the "left" now all of the sudden he says we should be able to have these discussions without be called racist. Hopefully he learns that its very easy to point the finger and not easy to handle it when its pointed at you.
@MichaelJohnson-og5md6 жыл бұрын
he is tho. Everything he says is whites are he smartest and the best. Resd the comment section under his videos. That sums it up
@lukebruce52346 жыл бұрын
Lol at closeted. Molyneux is among the most blatant ones.
@bobheatliesongs5 жыл бұрын
crazycashlarry he was talking about Molyneux’s obsession with IQ. Let’s be honest, how many shows has he done on the subject? As for being a racist, well, he once said with a very angry tone “It’s difficult to blend when you don’t look the same!” That kinda sums it up for me!
@bobheatliesongs5 жыл бұрын
thomas anderson who are we talking about? Stephen Hawking? Martin Luther King? Conjoined twins? Or is it just skin colour and clothing?
@the-potato-warrior6 жыл бұрын
.... “didn’t vacation for a year”.... “oh wow!” It’s been 6 years for me. Not upset at all. Working is living if you enjoy your job.
@Katya_Lastochka5 жыл бұрын
You haven't had a week of for 6 years? I find that hard to believe, at least for most people. Even cashiers get 2, 1-week vacations a year.
@TheHellogs44445 жыл бұрын
Your work is not enjoyment to your family though. That's what vacations are about
@fitzwits5 жыл бұрын
@@Katya_Lastochka i have not have a vacation for 20 years now 😃 also a week off is not a vacation. Thats time off work. A vacation is a trip to a different location to enjoy time away from "home"
@ross42254 жыл бұрын
Oh yea? Well I haven’t had a vacation in 40 years! Suck that!
@Asdf-wf6en3 жыл бұрын
There should be laws against colleges admitting people on anything other academic capability. They shouldn't look at volunteer work or race or sports, it should only be their academic capability as that is what they are there to do.
@laptv21443 жыл бұрын
They’re telling you that’s not all they’re there for by holding importance for those other activities. That would never work because people like doing other things and that’s why sports and music exist
@Asdf-wf6en3 жыл бұрын
@@laptv2144 what about volunteer work? that has nothing to do with one's academic capability and sports is something someone should do to be healthy. besides it's not like people seriously go to college to major in something related to sports.
@JoeCnNd3 жыл бұрын
First vacation in a very long time. At least a year... Meanwhile the vacation i took 2 years ago was the first vacation in over 5 years for me.
@metaxtatic3 жыл бұрын
joe rogan : wow..,
@bgerystt38013 жыл бұрын
Come to the EU, you have one month/year (full salary) plus a lot of free days.
@11cacoo6 жыл бұрын
Joe "I look like a thumb with two thumbs" Rogan
@trollop_74 жыл бұрын
Untrue, but very funny
@bakubaka44826 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for Sam Harris to debate Jared Taylor.
@backthen9116 жыл бұрын
YES!! Jared Taylor on the JRE would be unreal, a huge redpill for a lot of people
@espresso42396 жыл бұрын
nah, got enough alt-right losers as it is.
@covfefe77065 жыл бұрын
Espresso Most alt righters can’t use logic but Jared Taylor can. He is different from other alt righters
@lllool84045 жыл бұрын
@@covfefe7706 Exactly! As a fan of both sh and jt, i'm looking forward to their debate.
@allisonanne5714 жыл бұрын
Human value isn’t contingent upon intellect. Geniuses, the mentally disabled, and everyone in between should be shown compassion and kindness.
@allisonanne5714 жыл бұрын
Accelerationist Why what?
@allenomalley40144 жыл бұрын
As Jordan Peterson points out it’s about Valuing people as a whole
@PanzerQuick4 жыл бұрын
That’s not how it works though. Higher IQ = More friends, more money, a better life. Not saying a low IQ people can’t have a good life but higher IQ people just have a better chance at everything in life to articulate everything is so important in this complex world.
@kovenmaitreya71844 жыл бұрын
@@PanzerQuick Nope. IQ only up to a certain level gets you that type of success. After a certain point, someone is so smart in comparison to the rest they have a significantly harder time integrating into society and can often end up ostracized and struggling in life. Look at Nikola Tesla as a great example.
@gSWG3R4 жыл бұрын
@@PanzerQuick Not at all, which demonstrates how little you know about this. This is the problem with these topics, there's so much to social sciences, which most people do not possess the language for.
@maxheadrom30882 жыл бұрын
1:44 - that "wow" is the funniest moment of this clip. "The first vacation I took in a long long time - 1 year" ... "wow!"