Joel Turner | Open & Closed Loop Systems

[@JustShootYourBow]

To see more of Joel Turner and what he has to offer, please visit his website ShotIQ.com

[@jackbuendgen389]

LOVE the bow only outdoors clips! They're such nice guys!

[@DavidBridge-u8d]

That didn’t tell me a whole lot My main concentration is letting the pin circle around the point of aim as small as possible It’s never 100 percent still The rest of my form is automatic almost I think about it step by step but I’ve been shooting rifles so long I don’t notice pulling back on the bow I concentrate on squeezing the trigger no matter what release I use I automatically squeeze not pull

[@JustShootYourBow]

I recommend actually doing Joel Turner’s course on his website ShotIQ.com … completing the course will provide way more context and support then this short clip. Good luck 👍🏾

[@JustShootYourBow]

I also put together another compilation video kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKnSoYmMjLKtY6Msi=F2AOvBjt9TdH1Dtf However I still recommend just doing Turner’s course on ShotIQ.com

[@DavidBridge-u8d]

@@JustShootYourBow Thanks I’m battling a bad shoulder right now anyway but I’m on my way back

[@ajbholsters2035]

"The only thing you're getting more efficient at is bracing for recoil". "Shooting is the only thing where the more you do it, the worse you get". Joel has some good info on technique and breaking down shot execution into steps, but he's wrong on these points and it makes my eye twitch when I hear him say that. There's a thing called sensory adaptation where your nervous system becomes less sensitive to stimuli with frequent exposure, and he doesn't seem to acknowledge that this is part of becoming proficient. The more you expose yourself to a certain stimuli, whether it be shooting a bow, gun, cannon, or something else that would create a loud noise, eventually your body will adapt to the stimuli and no longer respond in the form of a flinch. There's a reason none of the archers on the screen were blinking or bracing up when they release their arrows. They have become adapted to voluntarily creating an explosion by continuous exposure (i.e. shooting their bow frequently).

[@JustShootYourBow]

Thank you for watching and providing a response to the video. I sincerely appreciate it. You said, "The more you expose yourself to a certain stimuli, whether it be shooting a bow, gun, cannon, or something else that would create a loud noise, eventually your body will adapt to the stimuli and no longer respond in the form of a flinch." With that said, how do you explain Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? Many individuals that suffer from PTSD will flinch from the mere thought of a possible "bang".

[@ajbholsters2035]

@@JustShootYourBow PTSD is an anxiety disorder that results from a traumatic experience. If anxiety or panic attacks associated with PTSD are triggered by sensory stimuli, the treatment is usually Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). CBT involves systematically exposing the sufferer to the stimuli that triggers their symptoms to progressively desensitize them to it. Eventually, if the treatment is successful, the sufferer is able to expose themselves to full stimuli and is able to control their symptoms without additional anxiety or panic attacks. Getting yourself accustomed to impact or loud noises in a controlled environment is not the same as dealing with anxiety associated with a traumatic experience. Technically the approach to dealing with them is similar. It all involves systematic desensitization. That said, if someone is suffering from excessive anxiety or panic attacks from loud noises, then there are other issues they should address before they try to develop a new shooting skill. The loud noise itself is not the cause of the problem. It's their body's conditioned response to it.

[@JustShootYourBow]

@@ajbholsters2035have you considered writing a book or essay to retort Joel Turner’s shot process course?

[@ajbholsters2035]

@@JustShootYourBow I may do that at some point in the future, but I'll have to buy the actual course and go through it to make sure I'm giving it a fair, accurate analysis. From what I've heard him say in interviews, the actual mechanics he's trying to teach don't seem bad. His framing for why his method is better is flawed, and he surrounds it with unnecessary technical jargon to make it sound like his advice is worth the $250 (e.g. visual proprioception, which I have yet to hear him provide a definition). So it may just be his sales pitch that is the issue, and his material is good. If I have the time and an extra $250 to blow some time next year, I will absolutely take his course and do a deep-dive review of it on my channel. In the meantime, I'm writing a script to do my own series on Archery Form and Shot Execution. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comments 👍.

[@tonyallen8626]

​@@ajbholsters2035honestly makes way more sense than what Joel was saying

[@Fitandover40]

I agree with most of this, what I do find on the other hand is that the tendency towards open loops is not "innate" or "the nature of the brain" but it is in nature of the belief system and cultural environment of individuals. From the moment westerners see time as an straight line, it gives way to a tendency towards open loops. But if the ideology was circular or cyclical, as older tradition did, the brain will tend to close loops.

[@jasonnester9514]

I didn’t understand a thing he just said

[@JustShootYourBow]

🤷🏽‍♂️ Alright.

[@jasonnester9514]

@@JustShootYourBow just aim and shoot

[@missionman4539]

Absolutely made 0% sense .

[@JustShootYourBow]

Which part? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@jasonnester9514]

I’m with ya bro