John Lennox on science, faith and the evidence for God

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Justin is joined by Prof John Lennox to talk about his debates with well-known atheists and to introduce a new online apologetics course: 'Science, Faith and the Evidence for God with John Lennox'.
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[@Comicus8102]

John Lennox has a permanent look of joy on his face that could only come from a lifetime of doing God’s work.

[@GodlessGubment]

or eating too much

[@rj_corvo]

He naturally has that look of happiness that artists attempt to portray Buddha to have.

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

He smiles every time one of his gullible followers buys one of his silly books

[@rj_corvo]

@@zhengfuukusheng9238 ever read one of them?

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

@@rj_corvo No need; I got enough of a sample listening to his debates to figure out what he was all about

[@jjcm3135]

The Catholic and Orthodox churches should publicly honour this man. Not just Protestant Christians. He is a jewel. Catholic and Irish here.

[@marcocortes9968]

The knowledge God has given to Lennox is incredible. I want more people to know about the work he’s done. My faith in God and Jesus has grown and his books and debates have helped me do so. Mexican here

[@oliverastankovic7009]

Agree ❤

[@jay4christ]

Amen brother, I was catholic irish but freed from the shackles of religon and John Lennox played a part In that

[@peacehope7365]

That's lovely to read. Lovely to see Irish Catholics and Northern Irish protestants united as the family we are ❤ I was born in Enniskillen to a Presbyterian father and Church of Ireland mother. Brought up Anglican. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters 😊

[@raymk]

Listening to Prof. John Lennox is a total delight 💖

[@AtamMardes]

Prof. John Lennox is delusional.

[@donnamibusart]

Agree!

[@timthomas924]

Totally agree!

[@ramonfabular1022]

@@AtamMardes As eloquent as Prof John Lennox, you call him delusional. I am so eager of hearing from you. Who are you? Still hiding from your sin? Jesus bless us ✝️🙏🥰

[@AtamMardes]

@@ramonfabular1022 Unfortunately you're not saying anything intelligent by thinking properly & honestly. You're only parroting what you've been indoctrinated with - obviously without the benefit of your intellect.

[@dolorescunningham4816]

Love John Lennox!! Bought so many of his books and learned a lot. What a wonderful man of God. 🙏🙏 For his health

[@GodlessGubment]

lol 🤣

[@martarico186]

That he is. Amen for his health

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

Lennox: A complete charlatan who lies to keep the faithful stupid

[@justin10292000]

@jameslindon9068 Why are you laughing at yourself?

[@Enzo_213]

“Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a Creator. It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second” - John Lennox PhD in Mathematics and PhD. in Philosophy.

[@gardenladyjimenez1257]

Thank you both! Dr. Lennox, I will pray for your writing, your daily life, and your health. Your outreach, both of you, is so important and will continue forever!

[@GodlessGubment]

maybe he will let you touch the hem of his garment

[@gardenladyjimenez1257]

@@GodlessGubment Not sure how you intended this? Sarcasm?

[@justin10292000]

@@gardenladyjimenez1257 Methinks "jameslindon9068" is a troll. Don't feed him.

[@patricksteel3822]

This is the first time I have seen the name 'Jimenez ' outside of pro golf. A golfer from Spain who is now on the Seniors tour " PGA 'champion's ' tour.

[@AtamMardes]

Prof. John Lennox is delusional.

[@jestanuthername]

Thankful for having opportunity to listen to you, bringing reason to an unreasonable and crazy world. And bringing a sense of sanity and peace to my life. Thank you!

[@rajeshshetty4862]

I pray for this godly man . May God bless both of them 🙏

[@firangele8094]

May God bless you both and your families. Thank you for your hard work. 🙏🙏🙏

[@pauldoogan903]

Dr John very proud of u here in Ireland

[@gmcq8623]

A wonderfully uplifting and spiritually invigorating conversation.

[@michaelhyde9070]

I love this man ❤ he has helped me so much over the years 🎉😊 Il be getting his books ❤

[@paulmcgrew2932]

John Lennox, thank you for your humility and wisdom, qualities that SEEM to be in short supply amongst many of our Christian brothers in the public eye.

[@Anna-mc3ll]

Thank you very much for sharing this amazing conversation! Thank you!

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Pls Pray for Prof John Lennox that God heal any occurring setback cause by the stroke!

[@nickrhodes9031]

It is refreshing to hear someone openly declare the equivocation in their approach to their application of the word 'faith'.

[@juanpelaez5435]

Honorable man trying to explain christianism and do good to other people.God bless him.

[@gregjones2217]

What a nice man. Cheerful and friendly, and an excellent orator. I wish him health and long life. It's sad that he is wrong.

[@justin10292000]

@gregjones2217 YOU are wrong, but don't take MY word for it: you will find out for yourself soon enough!

[@keeganmet257]

Great discussion, John Lennox is the best!

[@Indorm]

Thank you to both of you for the amazing work you've been doing.

[@rep3e4]

J Lenox is awesome

[@peterboos930]

Wonderful discussion. Two of my favorite Christians who encourage me in my own faith struggles. Thank you both.

[@davethebrahman9870]

Why do you think it is such a struggle believing these things? It’s no struggle at all to not believe them.

[@justin10292000]

@davethebrahman9870 Of course not. You are spiritually blind to Truth. Trying to explain spiritual Truth to an unregenerate person who God has not given the gift of spiritual insight is analogous to attempting to explain a symphony orchestra concert to someone who is deaf and blind.

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@justin10292000 Oh, that must be it. Nothing to do with you being too weak to face reality, right?

[@mariusciolacu9820]

​@@davethebrahman9870how so? reality is the same for everyone, so I'm not sure where you get the "weakness" argument from. Maybe you're weak, thinking suffering has no purpose and we're all just damned to suffer for a blink in the eyes of existence. Or maybe some people have life experiences and they know more than you do, but nooo, they're weak for sure..

[@axisofbeginning]

Earth is where the Biblical story begins. Salvation is what the story is about, and Jesus, the Word of God, is the story’s hero.

[@afsar_gunner5271]

God bless John Lennox. what a gentleman

[@murphyorama]

Thanks for that lovely discussion with John Lennox. Great stuff.

[@shelleyhender8537]

I wouldn’t say Dawkins has “mellowed”. After seeing him mock and say very disgraceful things about Prof. Lennox in an online interview with a Danish atheist KZbinr (and others on different occasions)…I lost all respect for Dawkins! I have people in my family and dear friends that are atheists, but we still show one another kindness and respect! Christopher Hitchens’ brother gave an interview after his brother’s passing stating that he still held to his atheistic beliefs. Thankfully, they reconciled before his passing, but you could tell his brother was still hurt at the thought of Christopher departing from this world without knowing our Lord and Savior! I also saw an interview with C. Hitchens stating as much, even though he did mention that he certainly did contemplate faith after getting cancer. But, as Dr. Lennox points out…we can never know what truly happens just before someone passes from this world! I certainly believe we need to be kind to one another. Forcing our views down someone else’s throat is only going to galvanize them against Christ! God gives us a choice. He never forces us to choose…quite the opposite…He gives us free moral agency to choose for ourselves. As a Christian, the righteous path is to be patient and allow the Holy Spirit to work - even if we disagree with another. We need to try even harder to befriend those of differing beliefs. More often than not, we share far more in common, just as Prof. Lennox and Justin stated. After all, Christ was kind to the very people who crucified him! I could only wish to hold even a fraction of such compassion! MERRY CHRISTMAS to all!!🎄🇨🇦🎄

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

We have evidence on YT that Lennox is a liar and a charlatan. he misrepresented Dawkins, maybe thats why Dawkins was uncharitable. As for Peter Hitchens, the archetypical slower younger brother, and IMO a complete buffoon

[@shelleyhender8537]

@@zhengfuukusheng9238 Hi Zheng - I never start these messages, as a “debate”! I only made the point that NO ONE should “disrespect” one another! I love my family dearly - including those who choose to be Atheist. I LOVE them just as much, even though they believe differently…otherwise…I/We wouldn’t have very many friends or family, if we expected them to believe as we do! As for Dr. Christopher Hitchens, I believe he was a far different person amongst family and friends (like many people - myself included), there is the persona of what the public perceive and hare privy to, and the “personal” side to any public figure. I think it’s only fare ! However, I think It’s unkind and unfair to say such rude things about Christopher’s brother! They patched things up and reconciled in the end, which was important for them both! So, I’m happy his children will know their uncle and be able to be a part of their lives! Sometimes, it’s unfortunate, but illness and death brings the important aspects of life into focus…as it did for both brothers and family! The following has no religious overtones- I simply want to wish you, and your love ones a very MERRY CHRISTMAS🎄and a prosperous, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!✨☃✨

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

@@shelleyhender8537 I agree with your sentiments on the whole. But here's the thing; I have buffoons in my own family and I still love them dearly Being a buffoon doesn't preclude one from being loved. One can be a "loveable buffoon" I firmly believe Peter Hitchens talks a lot of nonsense (in spite of being a diplomat to Russia for 17 years, he believed they would not attack Ukraine ....just one example) But I'm sure he's "morally" quite a good person. If I met him socially I'm sure we'd be able to engage in a civil convo. No, my opprobrium, in reality, is directed towards con-artists, murderers dictators liars etc etc. In this respect I have higher regard for PH than for Lennox whom I consider to be a bad faith actor Hope that clarifies things a bit. Happy festive tidings and best wishes

[@robertmcclintock8701]

God was crying for years. It sounded like a squeaky wheel that sounded like a bird. It didn't make me feel mentally ill and was kind of comforting not being alone. I didn't think of suicide the whole time God was crying. That was probably it's purpose. He probably saved my life.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

I don’t think atheism is a problem. I think the biggest problem is the “I don’t care”-ism, “cultural-christianity” and of course christian nationalism.

[@wessexexplorer]

A very pleasant conversation.

[@Gladi80r]

Inspiring to see John reaching out to atheists ( suggest he looks at the Sabbath truth connecting the immutability of the Decalogue)The Ten Commandments were kept in Garden of Eden and then codified at Sinai

[@juliemorgan-bullock6149]

The first time I heard Richard Dawkins I was excited to hear a so called good speaker challenge my beliefs on God. However, I was sorely disappointed when all he did was ridicule Christians . He offered no intelligent argument at all.

[@davethebrahman9870]

Have you listened to more than one clip, or perhaps read one of his books? I remember reading Dawkins’s book on evolution, ‘The Blind Watchmaker’, and it was as though a dark room were to be suddenly illuminated. Everything made sense, although the facts weren’t necessarily very pleasant.

[@johnsalamito6212]

@@davethebrahman9870Nonetheless it is true that RD does put a lot of his intellect into insults.

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@johnsalamito6212 Can you give examples? Could it be that he criticises ideas that you like?

[@johnsalamito6212]

@@davethebrahman9870 Oh don’t tale it is an insult, or a resistance to RD’s ideas. I just think it is fair to accept - like many polemicists - that he is condescending at times, which makes him neither right nor wrong. I don’t have a library handy as I am on a train, but I am certain he has in print labelled believers as infantile and unthinking. Saying such things can fairly be interpreted as ridicule, which is the first comment above you challenged (and I think is not unteasonable).

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@johnsalamito6212 OK. I don’t think ridiculing ideas is the same as ridiculing those who hold them. I have also heard him ridicule my own political views. It isn’t pleasant, but it does seem that people take his manner as an excuse to ignore his arguments. I’ve never seen any of his opponents even begin to confront them.

[@ramonfabular1022]

So many lost souls in this thread. 😢 Believing in themselves, evolutions, hiding in sins, etc, with their soul, which became the very foundation of their lives. Very eloquent in talking, thinking that they are more than God. I am praying for you all. Repent and their is still hope and salvation for you. May Jesus bless all our journey to Him.✌✝️🙏

[@johannaquinones7473]

Your show is so enjoyable❤️❤️❤️

[@timb8970]

Can’t wait to see this! Reading John’s books have brought me back to my faith in Christ!!

[@theairsoftcorps]

Exciting news, Tim. God bless.

[@davenchop]

keep living the fantasy... here what you want to hear... make believe is much better than reality...

[@theairsoftcorps]

@@davenchop (sigh)

[@davethebrahman9870]

If you can believe on the basis of these terrible arguments and it makes you happy, good for you.

[@immanuel829]

@@davethebrahman9870 Your free will alone shows: the self that is looking through your marvellous eyes cannot be reduced to physics and chemistry. "This conclusion strongly reinforces our belief in the human soul and in its miraculous origin in a divine creation." John Eccles, neuroscientist and Nobel laureate

[@stevenboyd593]

There be trolls hereabouts...God bless them one and all, tis a slippery slope and they fight and claw to right themselves but God is bigger and His love is greater than their vitriolic rants, the argument is won by Him in the end. Baruch atta Adonai!!!

[@grahamblack1961]

What do you mean by a troll? Someone who says something you don't agree with?

[@alexnorth3393]

God doesn't exist.

[@johannaquinones7473]

How wonderful❤❤❤❤❤

[@bakacs1n]

Definitely this type of content has an extreme value. Imagine you guys being there where you are and in the meantime you are communicating and reaching out to a young person seeking truth somewhere on the other side of the world. And this happens again and again, daily. This is like spreading the good news with a machine gun. It's extremely hard to find reliable quality content, so keep it up, it is more important than anything right now.

[@alexross9355]

Celtic men like myself and John maybe need to find more time for exercise fasting and reducing to live longer .Let's hope John can go on for as long as Noam as he is a delightful man

[@junevandermark952]

The problem with being stuck in any religion, is that you will always make your perception of science, fit into sync with your religious persuasions … as your faith in your religious dogmas will always take the dominant role. For instance, back in the day, people were certain that disease was caused by the creator being angry at evil human behavior. It wasn’t true … but that didn’t matter … because the people had complete faith that it WAS true. Another example: If a scientist is asked the question, “Do you believe that the universe was created?” … and the scientist says “yes” … that is NOT science. That is religion trying to OWN science. People in religion don’t believe that religion and science should … or even could be … separated … because the need … the absolute urgency … to believe that a creator exists that aligned science to the creator’s own purpose … is inseparable in people that have faith in the “existence” of a creator.

[@lisaalexander1824]

When quantum physics proves psychic abilities/mysticism/ shamanism to be true, then I'll start believing the bible..after all, every religion is BASED on that side of human existence...😊

[@junevandermark952]

@@lisaalexander1824 So, right now, are you an Agnostic, or are you an Atheist?

[@timw4383]

Maybe i missed something but I didn't hear anything on the subject about evidence for for God. There is no evidence.

[@JesusIsKing373]

💙✝️

[@juliobow3232]

I love John Lennox! PhilleeColOH

[@axisofbeginning]

How can materialism establish laws of morality without first having the ability to discern between good and evil? Sin brought death, and science calls it "evolution."

[@juan_martinez524]

reality is an extension of our minds. we create reality. there is no need for a god. we are the creators.

[@justin10292000]

If there is no Creator then your mind is a non-programmed non-guided accident. Why do you trust your mind?

[@melissawalker3888]

I am curious how much the course costs? It says 50% off, but it doesn't say what the original cost is.

[@fredrik.claesson]

15 euros (standard price 30 euros)

[@axisofbeginning]

God formed man from dust and breathed the breath of life, consciousness into him, and man became a living being, made in His image and likeness, with the potential to be moral and free will to accept or reject His salvation. What rewards would there be to force your child, your wife, or your friend to love you?

[@Californiansurfer]

Faith is trust and love..

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Excellent comment!

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

I thought faith was what you resort to when you have no evidence to back up a wild-ass assertion. Ho hum. I guess it’s changed again.

[@MoNtYbOy101]

Faith is a poor man’s substitute for knowledge

[@Tzimiskes3506]

@@GayorgVonTrapp I thought atheism was just another belief and lack theism. Guess it's changed again...

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

@@Tzimiskes3506 No you thought wrong then. Please tell me you understand the difference between the following two simple statements: 1. I am not convinced of the existence of any god or gods. 2. There are no gods. Do you understand the difference, yes or no. It’s not a trick question.

[@jeffmilum9001]

Sales. What more can I say?

[@justin10292000]

Do YOU work and get paid or are you a welfare queen?

[@atheistcomments]

Wow, his arguments that have been used countless times over decades are simply amazing. I get a "boy who cried wolf" vibe.

[@kimmyswan]

Premier Unbelievable - it’s been awhile since they’ve hosted an atheist on the show. Also, maybe bring on someone from Purdue University (Graham Cooks) to discuss the new discovery relevant to origin of life???

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

What new discovery are you referring to?

[@theairsoftcorps]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Kim is referring to the formation of amino acids from water. However, that’s a long long long way from flagellar assembly. The amount of genetic information required to do that is an impossible hill to climb without a source for the code. Where’s the source? Not only that, how was the mechanism that provides the ability to read the code built into the cell? The amino acid thing has been done before. Nothing new to see, just another desperate attempt to remove the catalyst necessary to get life from non life.

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@theairsoftcorps Your claims are false. Cook’s discovery effectively removes the ‘hydrolysis problem’ so beloved of creationists. When combined with the evidence we have for spontaneous formation of lipids, cellular energy production around thermal vents, and spontaneous RNA template formation, we begin to have a very possible pathway for the natural production of very simple organic cells.

[@theairsoftcorps]

@@davethebrahman9870 nothing simple about a cell. From where did the information come?

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@theairsoftcorps Depends what you mean by ‘information’. Do you mean ‘Shannon’ information or the DNA ‘code’?

[@rizdekd3912]

Re his firm conviction about Jesus. But what would God think if he actually had NOT revealed himself in Christ? What if Christians are wrong? Sure there is a lot of circumstantial evidence for that...lots of writings the details of which can't really be confirmed beyond the writings themselves. But it seems no Christian...or at least not many ...actually ever entertain the serious notion that maybe they're wrong and have put too much emphasis and relied too much on the religious pamphlets and tracts known as the NT gospels and letters. Those are written specficially TO promote a specific religous view and the authors might have strongly believed what they were writing, but many write things they strongly believe but that are rejected by Christians because the Christians are sure their strong beliefs based on their interpretation of what they've read/observed are mistakes. The most common rsp to 'what if you're wrong' from Christians is 'so what, if I'm wrong, I'll just die and I've lived a better life as a Christian than I would've as an atheist.' But that assumes only two alternatives...Christianity vs Atheism. What if both are wrong? What if there is a god but not the Christian God?

[@rizdekd3912]

Oddly enough, it may be that the God of the bible may be as concerned with physical defects...ie 6 fingers vs 5 fingers as he is about rape or any other sin. In Leviticus it appears to suggest that anyone with a deformity (and it lists a few) may not approach to offer the food of his God. Why would there be a distinction between who can make offerings if God didn't notice deformity and have an opinion of what it says about the person? Of course the initial response is that no one can choose to not be deformed but they can choose not to rape so it wouldn't be fair to punish folks with deformities. But is making things fair something God is concerned about? Humans think fairness is important, but since God is the arbiter of all values/morality, then God can say whatever he wants about 'fairness.' But the fact that I imagine Justin would firmly believe fairness was important would lead me to believe that Justin and other Christians believe there ARE good reasons that rape is wrong, ie it isn't fair to force sex on someone, and that there are no good reasons to think the number of fingers (potential deformity) is wrong. It is those reasons that mean rape is wrong, and not just the God said so. And presumably even a god has to have reasons why something is wrong and can't just arbitrarily make one thing wrong and another thing right without any reasons. I mean a god could, but then what would make that god good?

[@rizdekd3912]

Re his discussion of Jesus at ~25 minutes. So, life had no meaning before the time of Christ? It seems as if Christ himself were all those things, then why wait thousands of years produce him and disclose this aspect of his persona? Why drag the Hebrew Children through hundreds of years of deficient animal sacrifice while holding Christ back?

[@spatrk6634]

i doubt that if god was real and wanted us to know he exists, that he would depend on people like lennox to prove his existence by debating evolution.

[@rizdekd3912]

No wonder he thought he caught Dawkins 'faith.' There's a word for 'evidence based faith.' It's called trust. You build trust on repeated consistent observations. SO if you think you believe in a god and depend on it because of repeated evidence, then you trust in god. It would seem there's no need for faith at all.

[@timw4383]

But that is evidence that is relevant only to the individual. It cannot be shared or substantiated.

[@rizdekd3912]

@@timw4383 I agree, but don't necessarily see that as a problem. Don't you think there's a lot about the world we can only know and prove to ourselves? Now...as to using that kind of evidence to convince someone else...that's a different story and probably why there are so many different kinds of world views.

[@timw4383]

@@rizdekd3912: regardless, that cannot be declared publicly as evidence because it only serves the individual who experienced it. To say to the world that because you had a dream to come true that the dream is evidence for the existence of God is ridiculous.

[@rizdekd3912]

@@timw4383 I agree but they're all happily doing it and some make boatloads of money making others think their dreams and imaginings about God mean something.

[@ketesafewyalefemedia2378]

THIS IS THE LAW BY WHICH ALL UNIVERSAL CREATION SHOULD FOLLOW. All kinds of things to live. They need a bridge to connect them. 1) When the Creator created the universe (Space-Time and Matter), he connected space and matter in time. Without Time to connect space and matter, the universe would collapse. 2) After God created man in his image (Spirit, Soul, Body), if there was no soul to the bridge that connected the spirit and body, man would not be alive. That’s why, when a person dies, the body returns to the soil because the human soul is a bridge, leaving the human body. 3) When the Creator first established marriage in the Garden of Eden (Male Love Female) if there was no invisible thing called love, the thing that binds two different sexes together, they would not have lived together. That is why when the bridge of love between husband and wife breaks down, husband and wife are separated and divorced. 4) If the Creator had not used the cross as a bridge to save the man whom the Creator had expelled from the Garden of Eden and bring him back into his presence, (Jesus + Christ) as a bridge, man would have been lost forever. 5) Until a bridge is formed between (the two cities) divided by the great sea and the river, these people would not meet and cross the water to do their business and living together What can we learn from this? Everyone on earth will end up without him unless he comes through the bridge of life that God has prepared for mankind to come to him. They will not reach because Jesus Christ is the only bridge (hypostatic union) of life that leads to the abode of God after death. Another bridge (Any religion) does not lead to heaven, because it is a broken bridge. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:5)

[@KKKaTTT123]

Thank you 💓

[@ZahraLowzley]

Theists believe in God, Athiests believe in "subconscious motives", both are adopted without evidence (lexical-based motive theories are far less congruent with reality than most religious accounts) . Athiests often excuse a profound degree of missing causal information with magical thinking possessing no explanatory power . Iv never encountered a rational theist or athiest , they are precisely of the same tribalistic mentality and astounding delusions of insight. Athiests often assume I'm a theist, which illuminates their existence as mere automata incapable of assessing evidence. Belief in God is irrelevant, unless upon entering a building you frantically seek it's architect, I don't care how old the Universe is or how it began as it has no bearing upon this limited span of life I have and I'm not arrogant enough to assume I'd understand it , assuming a God or an absolute constancy in adherence to our limited perceptual differentiation defines mindless automation.

[@mowm88]

Lenox is cool. Not that familiar with him.

[@tomato12terra]

nice guy - deluded though despite being intelligent; religious thoughts can be quite controlling it seems

[@charliepershall5956]

Nothing Can Survive Singular It is only in a huge Mass form can anything survive and succeed. The Great Creator and the Spirit Energy Source. This Is For Those Who Are Honest Proof is only understood by the Honest. Honesty is the beginning of wisdom. The Great Designer and Creator, The spirit Energy Source, Matter, Knowledge, Energy, Time and Space Has Always Existed. All are Without Beginning or end. Beginning and End only reveals an absence. However the Universe did have a beginning. It is a very complex and Intelligent Designed. And the Universe is very old. Creation is only the rearrangement of matter as Matter does not evolve from nothing. Truth is All That Truly Exists Other Than Truth there is Just The understood Concept of An Absence. Lies with intent to deceive or not is fantasy. Lies remain in the nonexistent realm. Nothing is created without Intelligent Design. Your cell phone did not grow on a tree. And you did not create yourself. The Great Creator is far more Massive and complex than the God worshipers realize and understand. The Great Creator is not a being somewhere in space. The Great Creator is a huge mass of spirits in perfect unity. And with the same care and love for each another. It is the complex intelligent design of creation of the Universe Where in we Live That truly proves Intelligent Design of Life. The Universe was Designed for life on this Earth. Love and Care for All Other as You Would Like to be Loved and Cared for. It is the basic of Justice. It is the only success for humanity. Truth is not freedom. Truth has absolute boundaries'. Justice comes only by the truth. Freedom has absolutely no boundaries', freedom is chaos. Gods Are Imaginary Personages Of Worship Gods are not creators. There are Hundreds of Gods that the human has worshipped. Fathers are not creators. It takes both father and Mother to create a child and the mother has more to do with the creation than does the father. The child is attached to the mother for nine months receiving nutriments for the creation. Religion has refused to give Honest respect to the female. And they have exalted the male, with the Lie that the Father is the creator of the child. Science Lacks Understanding The Spirit Energy Source. Spirit Is The Highest Energy Source. The basic principles of Christianity is corrupt and promotes Injustice. sentencing and Executing an innocent man for the crimes of all humanity. and they promote Cannibalism by a ritual that they pretend they are eating Jesse's flesh and drinking his blood. Jesus: The man Christianity worship refused to kill any Human and taught to love and care for all humans by in the book they worship. The Great Creator performs Justice. You all will face your own consequences for your corruption and crimes. You will not pin them on an innocent man. Most would understand better if they had experienced the many Miracle in my 90 Years on this earth. The most outstanding was George Neigh and his Daughter that had a special spiritual gift of filling hollow teeth with gold or silver. five had a diamond imbed in the filling. His Daughter would invite people to watch the metal pour into the hollow tooth. However, The gift of filling teeth as George and his daughter had, is no greater than the technology that the Gifts humans have received from the spiritual realm of the Great Creator; in the medical professions and communication. A great many lives have been save by the gift of the medical professions. The Gift of Understanding Knowledge is far more practical and beneficial to Humanity Than Georges' Gift of filling teeth. In fact George was very upset with people trying to use him as a Dentist; Coming to his house asking to have their tooth filled. His gift was only to show the spirit energy source; Not to take the place of a dentist. Honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe. To accept other’s opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing. We must understand to believe. Truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves; those problems will need no help. Have a great and a meaningful life if it is at all possible. Just whispers, of the Ghost of Reality.

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

Mungo, Dungo, Bungo

[@frederickanderson1860]

You can't prove God his ways and thoughts. Are not like ours

[@larrylaye9276]

Go plant based and practice fasting.

[@jonfromtheuk467]

Faith does have 2 meanings. and not the ones John cites. One is religious as in Hebrews 11:1 which rather daringly asserts you need to believe even in the absence of any evidence, and then there is justified expectation based on induction and deduction such as if I drop the pen it will fall, or the chair will support me. Atheist do NOT have faith in version one and the same as everybody else in version two. No atheism isn't something you believe, its a lack of belief in theistic claims made by others, so John's Gotcha moment is nothing of the sort.

[@richardwilliams473]

Just reading the Bible turned me into an atheist. I mean a TALKING SNAKE in the Garden of Eden????

[@timw4383]

Did you ever figure out, or learn, why there was a talking snake in the Garden? If not, you have not progressed beyond the point where you left religion behind.

[@iainrae6159]

Although there is scant evidence for a supernatural God type being, it give some people comfort. Wisb John Lennox well

[@Tzimiskes3506]

Typical average internet atheist coping mechanism...

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@Tzimiskes3506 That’s an unfortunate response. Didn’t you hear that this ‘apologetics’ channel now wants to move away from apologetics? Do you think that could be because Christians have no evidence for their claims?

[@MoNtYbOy101]

@@Tzimiskes3506 what is there to cope with? Most atheists would love for their to be a god. It’s not our fault there isn’t.

[@Starrboy94]

How to be an atheist, 1) assert there is no evidence for God. 2) don’t look for evidence outside the statements of clearly unimportant fools. 3) reject all evidence given by truly educated people as “not evidence.” 4) repeat steps 1 - 3.

[@thebacons5943]

It’s not something you believe exclusively on the evidence, it’s something you make sure at least can be reconciled with the evidence before you in a rational way

[@robertmcclintock8701]

If physics of the universe is social it's certain to produce a God then us.

[@Bugsy0333]

How would one ever prove that an Invisble Supernatural Entity is real ?

[@ChristAliveForevermore]

That Entity's effect on a person's life is how. A persistent drug addict's sudden sobriety "by the grace of God" is very telling. A serial womanizer and sexual debaser becoming chaste "by the grace of God" is very telling. A sociopathic murderer in prison suddenly finding a broken heart within himself and starting a prison church "by the grace of God" is very telling. These are modern miracles. Evidence of God.

[@Bugsy0333]

@ChristAliveForevermore An honest to goodness miracle, shown to be true through testing, scrutiny, and peer review, and it holding up, I'd say, sure. The problem is, there has not yet been one ever shown including your comment.

[@302indian]

You can’t see me so for all intents I am invisible to you yet you can read evidence of me through these words. Sure God is invisible.

[@Bugsy0333]

@@302indian how do you communicate with an invisible deity?

[@Bugsy0333]

@@302indian We know that you’re not invisible. let’s stop playing stupid now. How do you communicate with an invisible, supernatural entity?

[@robertmcclintock8701]

Flint printed life they knew since Flintstones cartoon. That is yaba daba do.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

A human body is burly, gnarly and surly like a fractal.

[@matthewpaul1111]

I too had a stroke and it was fairly serious but luckily I was grocery shopping (I live alone) and they called an ambulance after I told them my symptoms were what I had read were classic signs of a stroke. I was wondering if Professor Lennox has done some study on supplements or treatments that help prevent another stroke as I admire his ability to study and make logical conclusions from the evidence. I spent 5 weeks in the hospital, my left hand was completely paralyzed the first few days but now is almost as strong as my right hand. My mind was scrambled, eyesight was not able to focus on things to the left of me. Bumped into a few walls in the hospital the first week or 2 hehe. I'm still having trouble with reading comprehension and memory and steadily but slowly improving. I also have AtriaI fibulation of the heart that likely triggered the stroke. Asked my family doctor if I should take Nitric Oxide because what I read made it seem promising to help clean out blockages of my arteries, but he said he doesn't recommend taking it. I've got an appointment with my stroke doctor to get a 2nd opinion. Guess i should find Prof. Lennox's email if he doesn't read these comments. Or if there is someone with experience with stroke prevention reading this I'd really appreciate some advice. Thank you.

[@davidlara993]

I would really stop talking about inferior pseudointellectuals. Even, and especially, among atheistic philosophers and groups, that strawman-maker has no respect (nothing, and they have explictly published about his mistakes, like Michael Ruse). So what is the point apart from being "popular"? Are we supposed to clinge to stupid claims and ad hominem(s) made by Gervais because he is famous? Waste of time.

[@mitchmomlc]

I can never fully understand any type of logic to religion. Now people who believe in some type of disassociation with the universe, think the logic we use, as humans comes from god itself. However religion has absolutely no logic. There are billions and billions of stars in our galaxy alone. There are billions of galaxies, some bigger than ours. Its a vast enormous place. And religion thinks this vast enormous place was produced by someone who looks like me and you. What is the point of having a heaven. If some type of higher being exists, why did he invent earth, why is heaven a beautiful place and earth not quite so with its wars and diseases. Why didnt all us guys just learn from the great master himself and all stay in heaven. you insult the non god you came from.

[@Tzimiskes3506]

You are a victim of Hitchenism/dawkinism in other words...

[@DiscoverJesus]

You've got lots of good questions there and the Bible has lots of answers but and Atheism has precisely none

[@davenchop]

@@DiscoverJesus bible has no answers to anyone with their eyes open.. complete nonsense for simple minded minions who cant think for themselves

[@michaelhowell2609]

And there it is. Christianity when done right will at the very least give you a moral code to follow where you don’t find it pleasing to denigrate another person just because of their different world view.

[@risenchurchbrisbane]

Hmm... but there is a supposition in your questions that needs answering. Where did logic come from? Can we trust in rationality if it arose in an accidental universe and arose in our minds from the accident of evolution? And even if it exists what enables our minds to grasp the universe? The book Mind and Cosmos written by Thomas Nagel shows some of the deep questions that need answering here. He freely admits, while not being a Christian, that a Creator God supplies all the intellectual answers to these questions.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

Water is vigor. Oxygen is stark. Carbon is bleak.

[@haydenwalton2766]

an outrageous slandering of a dead man. hitchens made his thoughts crystal clear hundreds of times and it's all on the public record. to insinuate that christopher may have thought privately what he never stated publicly his whole life is both ridiculous and despicable. a telling insight into your morals and thinking

[@spatrk6634]

thats what christians have always done. wait for their opposition to die and then claim that they converted on death bed or whatever.

[@tomplantagenet]

Despicable? Really? I thought his implication is that we have to be careful making judgments about people because we cannot see into their hearts.

[@davethebrahman9870]

Yes, it was really unfortunate on Lennox’s part. It is also revelatory of the Theist thinking process. They look for authorities to tell them how things are, and they assume that Atheists proceed in the same fashion; it is therefore important to them to discredit those they see as ‘atheist authorities’.

[@tomplantagenet]

@@davethebrahman9870 now who’s questioning motives?

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@tomplantagenet I don’t think I’ve gone beyond the evidence, as Lennox does. It frequently appears to me that Christians in particular merely want to have someone who sounds ‘clever’ affirm their beliefs. What do you think?

[@robertmcclintock8701]

If you know evolution it just makes you a baby doctor. That is the intelligent design.

[@cnault3244]

And this evidence fog god is ??????

[@togbourn]

The obsession with Dawkins continues.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

Art is kooky. Science is weird. Organized crime is crazy. Kooky worlds best intelligence. Lucille Ball was kooky. God revealed himself as a kooky baby. It was real nice but it wasn't appreciated they thought it was mentally ill.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

String theory is imagination. The imagination of the universe is anarchy poems that nice. I had temporary ability to make them. We got enough to study. The artists have a room in their imagination to play in that the scientists don't have yet. They wanted to explore the universe without it because they think everything worth doing once. Now we done and the scientists can have a room in their imagination to play in. The room in my imagination has hell in it that makes paranoia beautiful God's greatest gift.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

If you love the universe the birds will make you mentally ill so you fight with the environment to make it intelligent. Your supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God needed. God has been liberated and he is fully capable of evolving himself without any help. God don't want your worship he just wants to get married. Royal weddings is most watched thing on television. We fixed the video and audio for best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.

[@markmckeen5124]

Not a Lennox fan. Couldnt get thru 5 minutes . For me, your show is enjoyable when a mix of skeptics and Christians are on, not so much with solo guests like this. Thx for listening.

[@walterdaems57]

If god existed, there would be no need to prove his existence

[@hwd71]

If God didnt exist we wouldnt have a concept of God.

[@walterdaems57]

@@hwd71 I don’t have a problem with concepts of Father Christmas, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, leprechauns or god(s) for that matter. They can all exist under the skull of the one who wishes to harbour them, bound to dissolve in thin air the moment they escape these very limited surroundings :)

[@Jewonastick]

@@hwd71 So if theres a concept of something then that something is real???

[@hwd71]

@@Jewonastick if a maximally great Being exists in any probable Universe then He exists in every Universe.

[@Jewonastick]

@@hwd71 The Ontological Argument...... That is such a nonsensical argument

[@johnhammond6423]

John Lennox, lots of bloviation but no evidence for his God.

[@Tzimiskes3506]

John hammond, lots of bloviation but no evidence for his atheism...

[@johnhammond6423]

@@Tzimiskes3506 Lennox isn't an atheist, what are you talking about? And atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief.

[@hwd71]

@@johnhammond6423 So your belief about atheism is that it is a lack of belief in God? Is that your belief? Or do you have scientific evidence to support your belief?

[@johnhammond6423]

@@hwd71 Its a lack of belief and the scientific evidence is there is no scientific evidence for any God or anything supernatural. [hope that makes sense?]

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@hwd71 Sorry to butt in, but it is the one making a positive claim, not a denial, who has the burden of providing evidence. There are a great many things that cannot be disproven. We don’t have to disprove that the universe is actually a giant banana, we have merely to indicate that there is no evidence for such a proposition.

[@AL-ri6bk]

If ur good at science. U should know God or have an idea at least. Ur just suppressing the truth or ur unwilingness to believe… Or…. Hmmm For unbelievers

[@therick363]

So if I don’t believe in a god…I’m not good at science?

[@T_J_]

Lennox displays typical theistic cowardice in his suggestion that Hitchens may have converted on his deathbed. Thankfully, Hitchen's son, Alexander, is on hand to utterly dismiss that lame notion: _"On the deathbed conversion - I spent my father’s final weeks and days at his bedside and watched him draw his final breath and die, and can assure you that there was no hint of any sort of conversion (as I’m sure you have already guessed). In fact, we barely spoke about religion at all except for joint expressions of frustration at the god botherers who made the rounds in the ICU and other units where dying people could be preyed upon by vulturous Christians."_

[@davethebrahman9870]

Just the same old long-exploded arguments and rhetoric. It’s sad that Theists no longer want to have their beliefs challenged. He seems like a nice old man, but his claims are mere pabulum.

[@mariomessiha]

funny…same could be argued about atheists^^

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@mariomessiha Then why are Christians becoming so reluctant about arguing for their position, as this show used to do? Now it’s all about fluffy stuff like ‘meaning’.

[@Benjamin-to2zq]

What specific claims in particular?

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@Benjamin-to2zq Pretty much all of them. He doesn’t understand that naturalism is a conclusion, not a presumption. He doesn’t know that evolution by natural selection is still the fundamental concept in biology, the actual furnace of adaption; while other factors such as lateral gene transfer, unknown to Darwin, are important for the spread of mutations, it is natural selection that forms the anatomical structures suitable to the environment. He is mistaken in thinking that any belief system is a faith; in fact sensible people align their beliefs to the extent of the evidence, a process which requires no faith at all. He is wrong that Christian experience is a relationship; the truth is that many believers of all stripes come to accept that God doesn’t exist, something that never happens to a person in an actual real relationship. One could go on.

[@vladislavstezhko1864]

@@davethebrahman9870 it requires faith in scientific method

[@JD-ro7xe]

Yawn. What is there to discuss? There is no verifiable evidence for a god. Wake up, people.

[@theairsoftcorps]

If you can verify that you actually exist, that seems to be verified evidence that a contingently existing being exists. If that is right, then that means you didn’t have to exist, similarly the contingently existing universe didn’t have to exist. So, the question is what is the best explanation for a contingently existing universe, which includes you (life from non life), that didn’t have to exist and hasn’t always exited. If ever there was a time that nothing (no thing) existed, why is there not still nothing? Definitely not yawn type questions. If you have empirical evidence that avoids a necessarily existing being beyond matter, space, time, and all the rest in order for there to be a contingently existing universe (including you - life from non life), then please feel free to present your evidence for our consideration. We would be grateful.

[@borneandayak6725]

Yawn. How do you know there is no God? Wake up atheist.

[@borneandayak6725]

@soldier of God Islam is redicilous. I'm from Malaysia.

[@borneandayak6725]

@soldier of God btw, there is no Islam at all. What you call "Islam" today, is Sunni. Sunni is not Islam. Islam never existed in real world, only existed in manuscripts.

[@JD-ro7xe]

@@borneandayak6725 If there was a god, we wouldn't be even discussing the topic. Have you heard anyone discussing the existence of earth, moon and stars or concepts like love , hatred or democracy?

[@JohnCook-om3iq]

If John Lennox was s honest person he would be honest to himself. He would realise that instead of seeking fame, he should try a less fun consuming food routine and a good exercise regime. John is a man who should change his philosophy of life, because his current one is not working for him and his family.

[@grahamblack1961]

Lennox is a prime example of how a person can be highly intelligent in one area of life, and a wilful idiot in other areas.

[@justin10292000]

Yes, atheism is absurd, ridiculous and idiotic.

[@rep3e4]

What?

[@grahamblack1961]

@@rep3e4 Lennox is a prime example of how a person can be highly intelligent in one area of life, and a wilful idiot in other areas.

[@arthurmetaxas4653]

Give up now john

[@robinrobyn1714]

Richard Dawkins. A man who earned his Ph D in Evolutionary Biology, to go on to pathologically rant against something that doesn't exist according to him. Something that doesn't exist according to Dawkins has his unremitting anger and attention,so much so that Dawkins has written entire books against it . That's extremely interesting 🤔

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

His focus is not on that which doesn’t exist, it’s on the twonks that believe it does. I was going to say ‘good try’, only it wasn’t.

[@robinrobyn1714]

@@GayorgVonTrapp You mean the imbeciles who don't believe it exists.

[@robinrobyn1714]

@@GayorgVonTrapp You must not know who Richard Dawkins is. Richard Dawkins is so pathologically unhinged against something that doesn't exist according to him, he has written entire books against it. In fact, Dawkins is quite famous for an infamous quote from one of his books, where Dawkins refers to God with a whole list of insults. You must be an ignorant af pos.

[@davethebrahman9870]

Theism gives him a strong sense of intellectual annoyance. He is amazed that people still believe such nonsense, and he isn’t alone.

[@markh1011]

@@robinrobyn1714 _"You mean the imbeciles who don't believe it exists."_ You complain about Dawkins ranting but you're doing some pretty good ranting yourself. So you insult everyone who doesn't' agree with you?

[@mcmanustony]

Dawkins was perfectly clear. Why is Lennox dishonestly pretending otherwise. He does not lend credence to creationists by "debating" their idiocies.

[@alexnorth3393]

Lennox is sadly deluded.

[@justin10292000]

And you have faith in your unprovable assertion? Why ?

[@rep3e4]

Yes, he is deluded that Dawkins is reasonable

[@bryanfrancis3356]

God and science are about the two sides of the same coin in the sense that they're both concepts of the human mind...designed and developed with seemingly opposing and conflicting views as always ...depending on which side of the coin you're looking at ! As humans , we're a overconfident and proud lot BUT the reaity can , and I believe, be totally different and impossibly concievable by a simple human mind...we arn't that powerful ! 😎

[@majmage]

Weird way to put it. Science is concerned with what's _true,_ which doesn't seem to be a major focal point of theists in my experience (ie when you ask them for evidence of a god and they provide an illogical argument and you explain the bad logic to them, they basically always ignore that, and that's my basis for saying they don't seem to value truth). So religion doesn't seem to be the same coin at all to me. Feels like science is trying to look at the coin (reality/truth), while religion is holding up a paper in front of the coin and repeating what it reads in a book, but those statements don't actually seem to match reality.