John McDougall, MD Interview with Michael Klaper, MD

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[@Janet_Price]

WFPB for nine years and how did I not know about this sooner??? I'm forever grateful and wish more people were. I have a friend who is obese, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, Type II Diabetes and a smoker........ All he has to say is "we're going to die anyway, eat what we want." I am going to die..... someday, but I don't want to die SICK. I'll be 70 in 8 days and I'll be running my first marathon this year! No, sickness is not for me. I'll have more potatoes please........ Janet

[@sandray7609]

I worked with someone who said he couldn't give up rich food, meat, etc because that wasn't living. He would tease me and roll his eyes. He was obese and died of a stroke before age 60. I could never understand his POV

[@RiDankulous]

5 years WFPB here. I think a big part that got me in trouble is the moderation part. I couldn't do it and that was the case as a child, all the way to age 48. I found what worked. I'm just thankful I saw the light eventually, anyways! :-)

[@Janet_Price]

@@sandray7609 - My older sister is of normal weight and exercises. Sadly, she is a retired nurse who swears she needs her "daily dose of dairy" to build strong bones! My two younger sisters are "fat, sick and nearly dead." They swear I got the "good genes" in the family. I'm forever floored by the willful ignorance of others. Thanks for sharing - the sick do die young(er).

[@Janet_Price]

@@RiDankulous - Hi Joe ~ I love knowing I can eat enormous sums of food provided it's on the lower of the food density scale. My salads are huge and I proudly eat them. People tell me how unhealthy potatoes are. When I inform them I eat 1-1.5 pounds of potatoes a day, they are amazed. My problem is I eat too fast.......

[@sandray7609]

@@Janet_Price Everyone in my family is taking pills and suffers from chronic diseases - I try to show them the way, but they look at me like I'm crazy. When I see extended family they always ask how I stay so trim and look like I never age...it's definitely the closest thing to the fountain of youth! I finally figured it out at age 50, I wish I started sooner. Like Dr McDougall, I started eating this way for health, then the planet and the animals. I will never go back. I just wish everyone else would wake up!!

[@dianegkika8411]

I'm 75 and going strong thanks to you both

[@lindamaturan2134]

Thanks to Dr.John McDougal & Dr Michael Klalpper . I always appreciate the information you share and impart to us. Please continue the good work

[@paulb4496]

Such passionate hard working selfless doctors. I had hay fever, asthma diverticulitis, hemorrhoids, arthritis I was tired all the time and just felt like crap.Three years ago I went on the McDougall diet. Now I have oatmeal with blueberries for breakfast, potatoes with sauerkraut and beets for lunch and spaghetti for dinner. I went from 215 pounds to 165. It took 2 years for my digestion to become normal but was worth the wait. I watch videos) by these two pioneers in the Whole food plant based food movement ) to stay Motivated. IT'S THE FOOD, IT'S THE FOOD, IT'S THE FOOD!!! WE LOVE YOU JOHN MCDOUGALL AND MICHAEL KLAPER YOU ARE AWESOME!

[@smallfootprint2961]

Thank you for talking about consistency.

[@jgrysiak6566]

Love Mashed potatoes with sauerkraut mixed in over Ezekiel toast. It's an easy version from an old Ukrainian recipe!

[@jgrysiak6566]

Dr. Mcdougall, Dr. Esselstyn, & Dr. Barnard all saved my life. Now I won't go out with heart disease like my whole family did!

[@teenanguyen5581]

I became a Vegan in 2020 because of you Dr John McDougall. Your slides on "food poisoning" tipped me over the Vegan world. I lost 26 lbs along the way.

[@catherinegoodman7735]

Interesting, what slides on food poisoning?

[@joanie9923]

Two of my favorite doctors!! Thank you gentlemen for making such a HUGE difference in my life!! The education that I've received from both of you over the past few years is absolutely priceless!! Much respect and love!! 💚💚 From the starch-atarian in Pennsylvania! 😊 🥔🥔🥔🥔 Potatoes are Life!!!

[@joannadee3565]

I agree! Joanie D.

[@whenifeellow]

A meeting of 2 legendary superstars

[@abideenturky]

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[@jgrysiak6566]

PA starchivore here!

[@sk.n.9302]

Have been following “high starch” whole foods plant based diet for 3 yrs now. Lost 20 lbs, cholesterol now 176 (from 273, mo meds). Being able to eat good carbs is very filling & satisfying, helps make diet easy & sustainable.

[@albertojosetimbol5441]

Two nutrition heavyweights in one show!!! I have never set foot in any of your clinics (I live in the Philippines) , but believe me - your tips have saved me. Being a stroke victim several years back, you have helped bring back "real" life in my lifestyle.... "It's the food!!!." - our battlecry, continually reminds me how we should tackle day-to-day nutrition. God bless you both! I hope you both continue your crusade for saving lives!

[@jgrysiak6566]

Phillipines eat lotsa rice! Glad u went back to eat like your ancestors did!

[@dawnwalsh296]

You are So compassionate Dr Klaper. Thank you both for all you do and spreading the word and taking so much time to help everyone and everything around you.

[@OkieGal2]

Dr. McDougall, you saved my life. The Starch Solution saved my life.

[@RiDankulous]

Gratz! You did a lot of the work yourself, too, though.

[@smallfootprint2961]

I found you both in the early 80s too. So grateful.

[@RiDankulous]

That's a long time knowing and using their wisdom. I only have been with it for 5 years, but it is life changing. I'm 53 now and it would have been better had I started 5 years earlier. Still, I am in good health now. I hope you are.

[@smallfootprint2961]

@@RiDankulous ... Doing ok. Thanks Joe.

[@jgrysiak6566]

Wow, wish I had!

[@sw8536]

Two legendary pioneers in health and well being. I'm thrilled they are including their new "patient", planet earth in their quest.

[@darcey55]

Thank you both for speaking out for the planet!! 🌎❤

[@valerietomsic8454]

ALL RESPECT to these 2 medical heroes! Trying to GET THE WORD OUT that PLANTS will SAVE us....THANK YOU BOTH!

[@ssusan3]

You are both my heroes thank you for all you do

[@lbazemore585]

These two!! It’s a pleasure to hear this good news-over and over again!

[@debk6161]

“Without honor in my own home.” I live that sad nightmare every day. Over 53 years of trying to get my family to listen. It’s so depressing to watch the disease processes in each of them, particularly my husband who still refuses to watch a single video or read a single article or book. He says he will never give up meat and dairy. Our calendar is crammed with medical appointments and our budget has been devastated by the expenses. Because of his medical problems we have had no sex life in over 30 years but he would rather take lots of medications than change his diet. Among other ailments he already has I see prostate and colon cancer and Alzheimer’s on the horizon. Worst of all, he has convinced our children and grandchildren that I’m wrong about the values of a plant based diet. At the age of 70 I am seriously considering divorce.

[@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder]

Good idea.

[@larrymcmanus4651]

Thank you both with gods love

[@jgrysiak6566]

I'll bet he has lotsa erectile dysfunction! Lol He probably already got a prescription for viagra! Lol

[@noralim1330]

Thank you for kindness n willing to tell the people to take care of their health❤❤❤

[@noralim1330]

God bless you,alway happy😊

[@karenchapman6126]

Absolutely ♥️ These two wonderful humble doctors

[@elaineateoate1020]

Love both of you!!! Thanks so much for all you do.

[@RiDankulous]

I have been whole food-plant(WFPB) based for 5 years now, and I feel very good. I am on the Mcdougall program and have weight and cholesterol levels that are ideal, as well as a healthy heart rate and a slightly high blood pressure, although I am working on that by trying to stay with regular walking. All those characteristics where much worse previously, but they had been changed to healthy, also coming off blood pressure medication with doctor supervision. My heart rate is below 70 today =D. I have been walking regularly for a few weeks now. Not sure on blood pressure which I have to check, but I'm not worried very much about it. I am very confident being strict WFPB.

[@vinwillcock612]

Question? Do you think that a well informed vegan, knows more about health than the average medical professional? It seems that most doctors are on the pharmacy payroll and are clueless about good health. Respectfully, a fan.

[@missiris1234]

These two men are legends. I can listen to them forever. They have so much charisma too

[@kjfacilities-maint]

two of the best experts on this topic out there! 👍

[@brookelopez3068]

Soon the world will see! Thank you so much for saving my life! I shout it to everyone I know. Soon ppl will wake up! Thank you both! 💞

[@i123456987654]

Lol I’m so interested in the stack of books behind Dr. Klaper...I only recognize, how not to die, and of course I’ve read it

[@kotamrajuprasad2742]

Magical space ship!! Both could give right directions not only for preserving the health of human beings but also for preserving the whole eco-system.

[@Eliaalonsodiaz]

Thank you both for sharing so much education on this subject. I’ve been following you both for about two years now and I’ve learned so much. Thanks in part to your videos I’ve become Whole -food, plant -based. My health is so much better. I agree with you when you say, “why aren’t people lined up for miles to be cured with this lifestyle “! I get so passionate about the benefits and most of my family & friends don’t want to hear it. Let’s keep spreading the word! God bless you both.

[@11235Aodh]

A talk between 2 of my favorite doctors.

[@kenparker7864]

I try to encourage "plant based" eating to family and people I know, most people will not change unless they have a medical scare.

[@sandray7609]

Even then they don't change..they would rather take a pill

[@jgrysiak6566]

They have to have a reason to do it. Like they have heart disease or cancer or want to save the animals. My whole family died from heart disease & that was the reason for me!

[@sandray7609]

@@jgrysiak6566 My brother has angina, in pain...still eats burgers and ribs. I've sent him the info...even with a reason, and grandchildren, he won't consider the alternative. Another brother who can barely climb a set of stairs, arthritis, gout. He rolls his eyes when I tell him to eat more fruits and veg. You can take a horse to water, but you can't make them drink

[@jgrysiak6566]

@@sandray7609 , u have to be the influence & the appearance of u healthy, slim & trim is the best advertisement!

[@sandray7609]

@@jgrysiak6566 I am all of those things but still can't get them to change...or even believe what's possible

[@ziolove]

Brilliant! Thank you so much for this. Spot on, every word. If people could only find out how fantastic they could feel eating real, whole food, it would take hold in them and the benefits are boundless--for the planet and all creatures. Keep spreading the word, all. Peace

[@annieprepper602]

I love you guys! Keep it up. You're so encouraging.

[@dianegkika8411]

Hello to my favorite doctor from Greece

[@leespaner]

great video we need more of these.

[@i123456987654]

Right, I sleep well at night with a clear conscious because I’m not contributing to the unnecessary cruelty of animals

[@sk.n.9302]

Very few are aware modern animal farming (big AG) is a main producer of CO2! These products are not only unhealthy for us, but their production is terrible for the environment. Thanks for being spokesperson!

[@pinetree909]

Wonderful interview!!

[@darrell293]

You guys put your heart where others doctors just want the money. Thank you guys. Society needs to change not just to create a life but to enjoy life.

[@rebk5331]

Love you Dr Klapper

[@trishmarck7798]

Food is Climate was a wonderful read. Highly recommend!!

[@Bluegrassman12]

Love you both . Dr klapper , I hope one day I get to talk with you and tell you how much I appreciate you and your peers

[@TeaLaRee]

Not all superheroes wear capes...they eat potatoes lol. You guys are brilliant 🥦💜

[@i123456987654]

I can’t wait to have a wall of degrees behind me like Dr. Klaper

[@RiDankulous]

Good luck in your studies. :-)

[@lubavukadinovic5752]

With respect to diatery problems, we have to increase awarenes of INTEGRITY AND CONGRUENCY. Teology is failing because is not applicable. Truth is truth only if can be pruved. We do not need to know that Mother Mary was virgin. It is enough that Jesus was borne.❤ It is the truth that we have to focus on the plant food: 1. BUT IT must be organically treated, pesticides are 100% carcenogenic, and bio toxic for us and insects who polenate plants. 2. It is such NAIVITE to accept that a metan and CO2 coming from animals; It is only 10%. Baisic science knows 200 big REASONS coming from the oceans and lack of trees; dirty oil industry....chem- trails blocking sunshine> we do not have blue 🔵 sky, water is poluted and toxicly injected; drastic weather manipulations; mistreatment of farmers $ and GMO As well galactic climate is increased with radiation from Black Holl . People do not want to listen to info that reptallions control our mind by microwave that can eat us and Ananaki desmentaled our DNA after BigFlood to use us a slaves. WE DO NOT WANT TO OBAY ANYBODY ELSE. WE HAVE EXPERIENCE AND FREE WILL BY CREATIR TO FOLLOW INSTINCT. JUNK DNA STIL PROVIDED COMON SENCE TO WAIKENING ASCENSION AND SAVE THE ESSENCE OF GOD!

[@RealLifeMassMultiplayerRPG]

Its the fooood

[@jenniferwicker9701]

My two favorite plant based doctors 💚 looking forward to this

[@rbaleiro]

I truly appreciate the interview. I would like to support the work of McDougall and others to translate their main books. I guess also that the concentration of this kind of information in English is also limiting the spread of the information. Although Americans and their lifestyle is massively imposed in our countries towards their imperialist view of the world, if we wait till the most conservative government in the world to change their guidelines towards health and medicine we will need to wait for another century till the other countries start to follow it.

[@jasonb4321]

33:50 Get questions on Medical Board exams about plant based nutrition 👍👍👍

[@esotericone9101]

Good interview. Restarting starch solution after time away. I’m the “fat vegan” I have been obese for the past ten years and I’m really worried about myself…. No problems just yet but I know they are coming if I don’t get this weight off and get back to my active lifestyle. I’m hopeful and ready. 😊

[@tanyaparker6296]

Love you guys message. I do hate telemedicine.

[@davidnayback5205]

Give it time, it will happen.

[@sk.n.9302]

Tony Seba from think tank RethinkX has a nice piece on the advent of new high tech foods. Nestle is also a good example of a company starting to implement plant based substitutes.

[@jackiesesthetics88]

Wow the plant based telehealth sounds so cool! Do you guys hire RNs?

[@trishmarck7798]

How about paying the specialist less ??

[@Jewels64]

Did Dr Klapper find out more about EPA/DHA is it safe ?

[@abideenturky]

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[@abideenturky]

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[@cantstoplion]

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[@Luciane5]

People would be ''outside lining up outside my door for miles'' if there were more plant-based doctors that accept health insurance. I have RA and need to see a rheumatologist every 3 months for check-ups and can't afford paying $200 to $450 per consultation, versus the $40 copay. A lot of Americans cannot afford plant-based docs.

[@jmichelej1998]

Because of the insurance world that we are in, do you all take insurance?

[@trishmarck7798]

Incentivized medicine keeps their pockets full. Why would they want to give that up ?? I believe if docs really cared they would spread the truth

[@Janet_Price]

Anyone who is smart enough to get into medical/dental school should go for FREE.........

[@trishmarck7798]

If they didn’t have government subsidies things may be different

[@dollbarinc.3056]

Sweet Potato’s for the WIN!

[@davidnayback5205]

Mother’s know something is wrong with the food. They are who will change this word.

[@dianadesilva4877]

I love these doctors! I have a question, though. Why when I start a whole food plant based diet, do I gain weight if I don't watch my portions? I always hear, we can eat as much as we want to be satisfied, but that doesn't work for me. I have to eat a small amount of oatmeal, rice, potatoes or pasta with veggies and a couple pieces of fruit a day. I follow the diet, without added oils, avocado, nuts or seeds. When I gain weight, when I'm trying to lose weight, then I get discouraged and won't stick with it, for this reason. Plus, I'm hungry, because I can't eat enough to be satisfied.

[@ssusan3]

I wonder if you are not eating enough, too few calories can cause your metabolism to slow way down and burn calories very slowly. Keeping eating healthy you will find a balance

[@dianadesilva4877]

@@ssusan3 I don't know about that. Years ago, when I first went vegan, I had the same issue. As soon as, I up my portion size, my weight went up. So, it's upsetting to me, when they say, eat as much as you want, until satisfied. Because, it doesn't work for me. It feels like a diet, not a lifestyle. So, I don't understand why I can't eat a little more, so I'm not so hungry.

[@jinshark9078]

Gaining weight muscle or fat? You can eat more by adding more veggies less carbs. You could be the proof carbs get you thicked but not fat.

[@dj-fe4ck]

I eat as much as I want on a high carb very low fat plant based diet, anywhere from 500-1000 grams of carbs a day, and my bmi is 18.5. I don't even work out now. I eat as much as I want until I'm not hungry anymore.

[@dianadesilva4877]

@@jinshark9078 it would be too soon to tell. Over a year ago, I had surgery for bowel obstruction, so I was put on a low fiber diet. Before going low fiber, I was fit & slim. After eating unhealthy low fiber foods, I gained weight quickly. Now, I'm allowed to eat my healthy plant-based diet, again. After only a week, I gained weight, so I got discouraged. I am an avid runner, and I don't need added weight on my small frame, but I also know that I need better nutrition for performance, than the crab I've been eating. I'm wondering, if my body just needs awhile to adjust back to the plant-based meals again, and then normalize. But, like I said, I always have had to control my portions.

[@yukonnoka]

What is your opinion about shell fish like oysters and clams? Some people say they are good for the environment and are healthy.

[@jgrysiak6566]

They are the scavengers of the sea. Don't eat, dirty!

[@greywhite8832]

lost 40 lbs since going mcdougall.

[@jgrysiak6566]

I lost 50, but had to do intermittent fasting to lose the last 25. I was simply overeating & snacking 6-8 times a day!

[@sharkair2839]

how do you deal with the high glucose when eating carbs?

[@OkieGal2]

Hi, shark air. For your question about glucose and carbs, please check out KZbin channel Mastering Diabetes. Cyrus Khambatta, PhD Nutritional Biochemistry and Robby Barbaro, MPH.

[@jasonb4321]

I was going to recommend the same as OkieGal. The guys at MasteringDiabetes have dealt with this 👍

[@sharkair2839]

@@OkieGal2 ok thanks, i will check that out.

[@RiDankulous]

From what I understand, it's whole plant food carbs that are very healthy. You can always have your doctor watch what you do closely and you can do a slower switchover to the foods. It's the bad carbs, like those with simple sugars and ones that have oil or are heavily processed, that gets people in trouble.

[@whisper2162]

Why do both men look and sound so frail and weak? Dr. McDougall died (sudden death) on 6/22/24. My condolences to Mary, the rest of his family, close friends, and the McD team. I would like to know the cause of his death. Maybe, the family will reveal this after the grieving period. 🙏🏻 I am now questioning the whole WFPB diet I have been eating over a decade now.

[@cactusannie738]

Lost me at the political speak. Agree with the plants, but celebrities and politicians are NO idols to be aped.

[@jackiesesthetics88]

Y’all need to get Elon Musk on your side.

[@trishmarck7798]

Gotta attack from the top and the bottom

[@anthonyromano8565]

I have never met a vegan and I live in CA.

[@lukececrle2944]

You can tell a vegan just by looking at them? I’m sure you’ve met plenty.

[@abideenturky]

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[@g.e.boroush5176]

I've been WFPB-Vegan for over a dozen years and most of my friends don't know. I don't mention it and it doesn't come up. It's not like we go around advertising it anymore than you go around advertising what kind of diet you might eat.

[@anthonyromano8565]

@@g.e.boroush5176 The rub is I am plant based so that should increase my odds, except I think all plant based people are rejected from society. I never had a friend that wasn't hungry at some point in time.

[@gregorystevens5173]

I'd caution John, that you and Michael are not climate scientists. In the related section of this interview, it's obvious that you both are wading into an area far outside your respective scopes of expertise. If your goal is to advance a food-climate-nexus advocacy, bring on on expert in that field. Michael's overly enthusiastic book recommendation ("Food Is Climate") diminishes his credibility and consequently (for those of us who've actually read it) he comes off as someone who has suffered temporary amnesia of basic critical thinking skills and succumbed to nothing more than pat confirmation bias. For those interested, read the book and you'll see what I mean. I also don't find that using your grandchildren to justify your new role is particularly compelling. Quite the contrary.

[@KinaStaru]

Amazing people! So smart and I'm really happy to have met you. You absolutely helped me change and guided my way to the right path of healthy living not only for myself but for my family and the planet. I can't express how grateful I'll be to you guys forever.