re Mt. Itoi, "Was this area even playtested?" Nope! Apparently they ran out of time during development and had to shove it out the door.
@glitchphoenix22428 жыл бұрын
And sure as shit it's brutally difficult.
@OneTrueBelmont8 жыл бұрын
I think the creator apologized for that part.
@NaXEthan8 жыл бұрын
lol
@justinjanicki65618 жыл бұрын
Elaine Wang Thank god for EVE(the robot party member that one shots everything until boss fight )
@MBison-im2qy6 жыл бұрын
that explains alot
@RaitoADV8 жыл бұрын
13:38 Fun Fact: Shigesato Itoi and his team didn't tested the last part of Earthbound Beginnings, this was confirmed when someone talked about this at a Mother 1+2 promotional event, Itoi humorously stated, "When we got to fine-tuning the difficulty there [Mt. Itoi], I was like, 'Whatever!'"
@Gokuvsnaruto227 жыл бұрын
ok this was like the 50th time someone said that
@seank.cunningham3841 Жыл бұрын
@@Gokuvsnaruto22 Tell that to everybody else who said this. Not all of us have time to read the comments section like an encyclopedia. And besides at least this one includes the quote.
@DDBurnett18 жыл бұрын
There was an interview with the creator where he was asked why the last area was so touch, and, yeah, he basically confirmed your suspicion. There was no playtesting.
@TheFuzzyPickle8 жыл бұрын
John, Mt. Itoi was actually NOT play tested in fact...
@ripleyandweeds12886 жыл бұрын
why would you not playtest any part of a game?
@namingisdifficult4086 жыл бұрын
Mrpikalink interesting
@Matthew_Klepadlo6 жыл бұрын
TheFuzzyPickle GREAT game design! 10/10!
@everythingpony6 жыл бұрын
Mrpikalink not sure what your talking about, can beat that area at less then level 30?
@everythingpony6 жыл бұрын
TheFuzzyPickle mt ltoi is easy, just dont have pippi
@NitroRad8 жыл бұрын
Mother 1 is such a tedious grindfest, but there's something charming about it I'd argue the other games don't quite have. Obviously I think Mother 3 and Earthbound are better games by a longshot rivalling infinite, but I really enjoyed playing Mother years back. Maybe it was the music, maybe it was that it looks like Peanuts, idk man.
@Nitro_09996 жыл бұрын
Nitro Rad infinite?
@roguegoat97566 жыл бұрын
Rasmus Krogh-Jensen Infinitely better, is what I guess he meant.
@jackshoggoth6776 жыл бұрын
Big fan of your channel Nitro!
@MrDSkinny6 жыл бұрын
KZbin didn't give you a verification check yet? What madness is this!
@judgemario6 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed Mother 1 too.
@PKSparkxxDH8 жыл бұрын
0:34 - How many times did you have to redo *that* line? lol
@SomecallmeJohnny8 жыл бұрын
+PKSparkxx DatHottneSS Only twice, actually!
@aakashramaswamy15518 жыл бұрын
+SomecallmeJohnny So Johnny, any clues on the bonus video? Please let it be Undertale.
@dickfart65018 жыл бұрын
+Aakash Ramaswamy i think it's gonna be sonic chronicles for the ds cause in his moving video, he said he was gonna give that game another look cause he was way too nice to it
@justinwillis90478 жыл бұрын
+Eli Cohen it depends upon you really. if you like games with maps and tells you where to go most of the time then I recommend metroid zero mission. Now if you like a challenge and want to figure it out for yourself then the very first metroid on the NES is where I would start. you can't go wrong with either one though but start in the beginning of the series and work your way up.
@justinwillis90478 жыл бұрын
+Eli Cohen fusion is a great starting point. fusion and prime 1 is how I got into the metroid series. you will be confused story wise though since it is the last game in the series
@trueblueryu57138 жыл бұрын
In case everyone wants to try this out, here's some tips to make grinding less difficult: (Spoilers, I guess) -When you briefly have Pippi in your party, take her to the Zoo gate. Zoo monsters will spawn and they give way more Exp than the graveyard monsters and I think even slightly more than the enemies in the magicant overworld. -Get the Onxy Hook from the pit with the fish boss in the Magicant cave. Use Defense up IMMEDIATELY or you'll get destroyed. -Use the flying men as help when you first get to Magicant. They die after I think ~50 damage and there's a limit of 5 but they speed things up a bit since they don't take Exp. -NEVER fight Sky Yeddets or Read Yeddets that are spaced to the side (they can spawn the Sky Yeddets if they're to the side, in the middle is okay). Sky Yddets have a move that can do over 150 damage. -DO NOT fight cars and trucks until you have Lloyd in your party; Asthma can basically make you lose instantly if you're fighting alone. -NEVER fight battles where it's a robot and an energy generator. The generators heal the robots and once they're destroyed they blow up and do massive damage. -When Teddy is in your party and you're on the way to Mt. Itoi, you might disagree with this method, but hear me out: Let Ninten die and Teddy and Anna will increase Exp gain by 50% each. Teddy hits WAY harder than Ninten, especially if you have the Sword from Magicant as his weapon, and Anna will quickly get moved like Beam Gamma and beyond. After only a rough hour of doing this I could actually win battles in upper Mt. Itoi, and I didn't even have a problem against the final boss by this point. You have any other tips, add them below:
@yeez133 жыл бұрын
Started this game a few days ago and can confirm all of this! One thing I would add? The Zoo Animals outside the Zoo before getting that melody from the Singing Monkey give AN INSANE AMOUNT OF MONEY for early game and make saving up for Ninten, Lloyd, Ana, and Teddy’s armor pieces easy as long as you’re willing to grind for a couple hours. Elephants and Tigers in particular are great for Money and EXP Also, Teddy pretty much makes everything except Ana obsolete.
@BlazingDiancie2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say you could do the same thing to the generator+robot combo as you do with Atomic Power Robots in Mother 2, but then I remembered: "Oh yeah, no rolling HP counter."
@awsomkid37354 ай бұрын
Use repel rings. A lot of repel rings, especially when backtracking or exploring new areas. Sigificantly reduces the encounters and prevent you from encounter enemies weaker than you. Highly recommend using them in mount Itoi. Speaking of Mount itoi. Once you find eve, exploit the heck of her high attack stat to grind for easy levels. She can one shot EVERYTHING on there. Just don't backtrack to the healers house or go to high up the mountain or else you'll fight a boss and lose her because she sacrifices herself to kill it. Save state if you have to if you don't know where that boss will spawn. Also have Anna know PK life up ♎omega before fighting gygis. It helps A LOT in keeping everyone alive as his attack hits everyone for a lot.
@AragornRespecter8 жыл бұрын
If only it was Month of Mother, or MoM
@Monstermania1017 жыл бұрын
Pyrus I like that.. a lot.
@marinanicole56937 жыл бұрын
Very clever
@namingisdifficult4086 жыл бұрын
Pyrus Marathon of Mother
@ExquisiteTaco6 жыл бұрын
BeeSquared has a series named that now!
@theluigifan18 жыл бұрын
Through my best friend, I finally got around to playing EarthBound sometime around late 2014 and I fell deeply in love with it. I didn't play Mother 3 until around the summer of 2015, but when I did, hoo, boy... All I can say is.. It definitely gets better from here, Johnny.
@isaacplayer42688 жыл бұрын
+theluigifan1 Unfortunately, he's also doing Undertale for this marathon. So it gets better...only to drop like a rock.
@theluigifan18 жыл бұрын
isaacplayer42 What are you trying to imply? That Undertale is bad? If so, why? Don't even mention the fandom. Every fandom has bad apples. Even the Mother fandom does.
@theluigifan18 жыл бұрын
Adresadini Honestly, EarthBound. I've found myself struggling with Mother 3 more, especially around Chapter 6 and Chapter 7. The rhythm mechanic it implemented into battles also made things even tougher on me. It wasn't impossible or TOO frustrating, like Mother 1 is with its excessive grinding and INSANE difficulty spike around Mt. Itoi, but it was definitely more difficult than EarthBound. EarthBound was pretty easy, especially around the time Poo joins your party. (Thank you based PK Starstorm + Brain food lunch combo) You just needed to take advantage of various equipment, grind for enemies, and make sure Paula doesn't die in battle. (As she's the PSI powerhouse of the group but has VERY low HP) Heck, I'm replaying EarthBound on the Wii U Virtual Console and I already have over $190K in cash from beating up so many enemies.
@isaacplayer42688 жыл бұрын
***** Boring gameplay that doesn't know what it wants to be, bland story, cringey characters, and it pulls the "you did this in a game you bought with money, now it can never be undone!" bullshit with the Genocide route.
@theluigifan18 жыл бұрын
isaacplayer42 Hmm, well, I personally think Undertale is a wonderful game. Your statement about how the gameplay being boring and "doesn't know what it wants to be" doesn't make sense. Elaborate on that, if you will. It's just another game that uses bullet-hell mechanics and simple RPG mechanics from various games. (i.e. the very reason it's going to be included in this marathon, Mother) And it sure as hell isn't boring. Every boss fight, heck, even the ENEMY encounters are all unique. The most unique boss fight I might say is Mettaton's. The dude is basically two monsters in one. The story isn't something I would exactly call "revolutionary" or "innovatively fresh", but for what it was, it worked. It wasn't trying to be overly ambitious or trying to be super creative, it just wanted to tell a story. And it worked. When you take into account literally almost every detail you find, the story certainly isn't "bland". (Hell, even the soundtrack does a great job telling the story. That's why so many songs reuse many leimotifs. It wasn't Toby being "lazy", he was using his music to tell the stories of characters all throughout the game.) You have very peculiar tastes, my friend. Also, I'm like this close to throwing my laptop out the window if another person uses the word "cringe" to describe even a SINGLE aspect of Undertale. That word is so overused that it's lost all value at this point. Just say grating or characters that didn't really click with you. That's a better and more detailed way of putting it. And that last reason is really not a reasonable gripe with the game. It CAN be undone. You just never bothered to figure out how to do it. Also, it's a CONSEQUENCE for choosing a path as horrible as the Genocide Route. The game didn't TELL you to choose that path. YOU chose that path YOURSELF. Honestly, it's a very fitting punishment for what you do in the game. (I'm guessing that's the only route you chose, since you seem to despise it so much. If I'm jumping to conclusions here, I apologize.) Lastly, that final sentence is implying that it cost you a fortune to play. It's only $10 on Steam. Chill. Now before you argue all my points, I'm not saying you should love the game and that if you don't, I'm going to assume you're a terrible person or insult you in the worst ways possible. Not at all. We all have differing opinions and different tastes. But give better insight and reasoning as to why you dislike it as opposed to using buzzwords like "cringe" or giving abridged answers like that.
@DarkLink1996.8 жыл бұрын
Yeah... Tomato's translation of the GBA version is considered the definitive version for a reason.
@ziro63195 жыл бұрын
yeah, if you can stomache the gba butchering the music, i couldn't so i just play the earthbound zero improved hack
@expio42574 жыл бұрын
@@ziro6319 Only the EB music is butchered. Mother 1 music is fine.
@ziro63194 жыл бұрын
@@expio4257 no it isn't
@ziro63194 жыл бұрын
@@expio4257 probably a me problem but after mostly playing the nes version the gba higher notes hurt my ears
@muffet15364 жыл бұрын
I do still perfer the nes translation
@ryukahr8 жыл бұрын
can you imagine how much Johnny's life would be GG'd if he had to review the Final Fantasy franchise?
@millieman768 жыл бұрын
If you want a review once every month or two for them to come out.
@jherinstamps68744 жыл бұрын
It's coming soon...👀
@king_fresh274 жыл бұрын
Holy shit hi Ryu
@Doomshroom83 жыл бұрын
Welp
@Jamie-sg5in3 жыл бұрын
Uhhh I got news for you
@OneTrueNobody8 жыл бұрын
The issue with the diagonal movement in Earthbound Beginnings as opposed to other games is that your motion still isn't entirely freeform as it is in other games that introduced diagonal movement much later. Like four-directional games, Mother 1 is still very much locked to a grid, so even when you're moving diagonal, you're moving one WHOLE SQUARE diagonally, whereas later games would drop grid-based movement and allow players to move with complete freedom, pixel by pixel, as precisely or imprecisely as they want. In Mother 1 your direction control is always locked until you complete your move to the next square, which for a game with diagonal movement is very unusual and tough to adjust to.
@tyratooOP8 жыл бұрын
As a person who likes his movement usually quick and freeflowing, or at least loose enough that I am comfortable, that sounds incredibly frustrating. I have quit other games due to similar structured movement as well.
@SmashTheOni8 жыл бұрын
+The One True Nobody! I don't remember having too much trouble moving in the game. Granted, it was on an emulator with a GameCube controller using a control stick, but still. (Also, yes. I did buy the game legally)
@OneTrueNobody8 жыл бұрын
Quavion Deering It's only frustrating in the sense that we've had better implementation of eight-directional movement since. For an overhead game at that time, diagonal movement was exceedingly rare.
@tyratooOP8 жыл бұрын
The One True Nobody! That definitely is true
@Yayofangamer165 жыл бұрын
Oh look. First time in weeks I agree with a Trump Derangement Syndrome victim!
@demi-femme48216 жыл бұрын
The name Mother's significance ties back to the actual song. "Mother" is about how John Lennon's father was absent for most of his life, something that is also true of Itoi. As such, Ness/ Ninten's father is never actually seen in either of the first two Mother games.
@NightNinja19984 ай бұрын
Okay, now it makes sense... Especially with the significance of how the queen of "Magicant"(? Hope I'm spelling it right) being the grandmother to Ninten I suppose too, perhaps also how Maria was practically an adoptive mother to Giygas as well and how significant her disappearance was in the storyline too.
@marplatense318 жыл бұрын
Enemies do a lot of damage to you? It's almost as if sending a kid to do this job was a bad idea or something. THANKS DAD!
@marplatense314 жыл бұрын
@Ahmad and skeleton Yeah, but in Pokemon, the kids have the technology to brainwash animals to fight for them.
@marplatense314 жыл бұрын
@Ahmad and skeleton Don't look at me. I didn't make that up.
@marplatense314 жыл бұрын
@Ahmad and skeleton Not sure how they got away with it. But somehow people overlooked that Pokemon is basically cock fighting the game.
@junkospace75733 жыл бұрын
Kamen rider ichigo
@ZyxKatanaLXIV8 жыл бұрын
I think Itoi himself confirmed in an interview once that Mt. Itoi actually never got proper play-testing because the developers pretty much ran out of time by that point.
@Morgil276 жыл бұрын
Recently, I started getting into the Dragon Quest series, and in particular, after playing Dragon Warrior II on NES, I've gained a much greater appreciation for this game. I feel like my eyes have been opened to a lot of the finer details of just _how_ this game is supposed to be a parody of the genre at the time. Before, I was always subconsciously comparing it to the SNES sequel, but now I realize the true genius of the game can only be truly grasped by ignoring later games and putting yourself in the mindset of when the game was made and comparing to other NES RPGs at the time.
@jsh3578 жыл бұрын
Mother 1 has certainly aged poorly. This is a totally fair review. It has some interesting concepts (Magicant is particularly cool; there wasn't anything like it in RPGs of the time) and a great soundtrack, but it's missing so much of what made the next two games special. Even if they aren't your thing, hopefully you can recognize the qualities that have endeared the games to fans over the years.
@Yayofangamer165 жыл бұрын
My excerpt from a comment I just posted. Go check it out! Johnny. I have several issues with this review and I believe that maybe this wasn't your game AT ALL. I am deeply unsure as to why Itoi didn't make the game less rushed or if it was Nintendo to blame in this. BUT... this game is still a classic. Or at least a Famicom classic. The game was advertised in Japan as a MASTERPIECE. Better than whatever the fuck Nintendo allowed in America for the SNES sequel. Both games happen in the same universe, or in this scenario; planet. This game is barebones in character interaction between the protagonists . But I feel it was done in purpose. Especially Ninten' s lack of dialogue . Except in the credits where he just wants to rest. Ninten is like Link. They are US. I also feel like you failed to mention how dark this game REALLY is. George wasn't arrested because they LIVED IN A RURAL TOWN. I don't think no one acknowledged their disappearance . Or at least anyone that wasn't from their family. The story begins in 1900's America and continues in the 80's. The game showcases character development WITHIN the Ninten family and how much Maria loved Giegue/Giygas. Plus, I believe Itoi didn't take us as stupid to connect the dots in relation of what was going on. Giegue's forces were causing the poltergeists, the zombies, the actual invasion and the kidnappings. For fucks sake Johnny . In the same town you learn Teleportation, you learn the entire place is full of lonely, crying and desperate children. Even one girl asks you to HOLD HER. They are scared, sad and want their parents back . The pseudo hotel in the same place is managed by a teenager that just... feels lonely. He states it too, hoping you come back to rest in his home. Ana was foreshadowed to have powers before you met her, making her even an icon in her hometown. She was the daughter of a ... priest , too. (NOT JOKING. Official info also says that she reads the bible a lot). Lloyd states why he is so reserved in everything and why does everyone pick on his looks and feelings. His parent doesn't treat him any better. Ninten is a hero in and out because most children playing Fanicom would like to do the right thing. We kind of all were (in less you were born a psychopath or a sociopath. Yikes. ) Magicant' s inhabitants foreshadow the true identity of Mary and I am unsure as yo why you don't acknowledge this. They even foreshadow Mary being your great grand mother. Everyone there LOVES YOU. Even if they don't know you. That's because they already know who you are. Which is why one of the inhabitants is (CREEPYLY SO) capable of mimicking a phone and Ninten' s father voice. Similar to another one of them able to sent STUFF YOU DON'T WANT to your sister. Johnny. Holy fuck. Come on. You can be better than this. Mother 1 may not be a MASTERPIECE compared to Mother 2 or 3. But it still has the same topics of discussion and story. Mother's love. The 8 melodies are said to have a secret power BECAUSE they do. It was a lullaby sang by Maria to her (forcefully) caretaked "son". Giegue/Giygas. She may or not have lived about Giegue/Giygas hating the song BEFORE she died and he got brainwashed in order to invade Earth. But she was correct in him NOT liking the song. It reminds HIM of George and Maria! You beat him by causing him to REMEMBER the humanity he once achieved with a human couple by his side. He SURRENDERED, we never really beat him. P.S. Ninten's favourite food is Ribs. I would get along veeeery well with him. I like Ribs too! But I prefer sushi.
@EpicOdysseus4 жыл бұрын
@@Yayofangamer16 It's very weird that EB0 and EB are considered to take place in the same world, because the locales would have you thinking otherwise. It's confirmed that Giegue/Giygas in EB0 and Giygas in EB are the same villain, yet EB0 takes place in rural "America," a real place, while EB takes place in "Eagleland," a parody of America (which, y'know, is a real place in EB0). I always thought that very odd. All of that coupled with the fact that the three (main) characters of EB0 are almost "remade" in EB0 as the first three of the main four, it almost seems like EB is a reimagining of EB0, yet we have the Giegue/Giygas connection, which is confirmed. It's all very strange.
@eatingmytoesrightnow36274 жыл бұрын
ClausMystery you never even talked about the game play if the story is great make a book
@jsh3574 жыл бұрын
@@eatingmytoesrightnow3627 I don't see what this reply had to do with mine from years ago, but it's also a stupid sentiment. Should movies not have stories either?
@eatingmytoesrightnow36274 жыл бұрын
I’m not saying that I’m saying the major point of a game is to plaaay if the game I’m playing isn’t fun what’s the point
@ziro63195 жыл бұрын
beginnings is actually my favorite mother, music, story, artstyle, gameplay, i dig it and its my favorite nes game, although i'm not gonna say it's good objectively i can find satisfaction in it
@MegamanNG8 жыл бұрын
It has begun. Yep. Welcome to the Mother series.
@picklejar72366 жыл бұрын
MegamanNG Are you a real bird?
@thecosmic82483 жыл бұрын
Man I remember when this marathon was still coming out. 5 years fly by fast man.
@Medachod7 жыл бұрын
The first entry has a lot of charm and I still find the dialogue hilarious to read. Watching one of my buddies play it and stop rather quickly was quite funny, to say the least. It's definitely a video game that demands patience, though. I would not want to play it again, but I will always watch a Let's Play of it whenever possible.
@azrieldreamer8 жыл бұрын
"get out your wiius" *plays Mario KART 8*
@breloom6578 жыл бұрын
I actually like EarthBound Beginnings a lot! The story wasn't much, but compared to other NES games at the time, at least it had one, and it was really cute for what it was. As for the gameplay, yeah it has its issues. The enemy encounter rate sucks. Like really badly. The battles are actually kinda fun once you get the hang of things. I don't do much grinding in this game; just a little in the beginning until I learn Lifeup and then that's it, the low level party members actually level up super fast. You just gotta know what your PSI does and how strong your enemies are: Weak enemies = Regular attacks to conserve PP Strong enemies = Use your non-offensive PSI to raise defense or inflict status ailments! You get some REALLY useful skills in this game! You even get the infamous PK Beam Gamma by the time you reach Mt. Itoi. The terrible inventory system is an issue, as is the lack of an explanation of things, but this is an NES game; they kinda just expected you to explore, get your ass kicked, and learn from that experience. I feel at worst, it's right in par with other jRPG's at the time, but with really catchy music, a very unique setting, and really great writing for the time.
@SoLinkSmash8 жыл бұрын
I'll be honest, I adore this game's story. Why? I really don't know how to explain it. Something about it is just inspiring and gives me so much emotion...
@AKAProm8 жыл бұрын
Something about Mother as a series gives me tears in my eyes. These games have had such an emotion impact on me that I get a little teary eyed whenever I think about them and what they stand for. (Doesn't help that they also remind me of Iwata.)
@superstarm3048 жыл бұрын
I think the real issue of Mothers story is that it only becomes interesting. When you connect it to Earthbound since Giygus has a much bigger presents there.
@kenisu30008 жыл бұрын
Holy moley. I've been waiting forever for your EarthBound review, but I didn't think you'd ever review EB Beginnings (my favorite in the series). This game definitely deserves its fair share of criticism, but reviews like these remind me of just how glad I am I first played it 16 years ago. I don't think I would have given it a fair shot had my first experience with it been its VC release, after tons of negative reviews and haters had come out of the woodwork. I think MOTHER 1 is one of those games that appeals more to my kind of person - the creative type who gains a fondness for a game and its lore *after* completing it, even if it was tough as nails and an absolute nightmare to beat - than a gamer who just likes to game. I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn I actually rarely *play* MOTHER 1, but it's still my favorite, because I'm utterly fascinated by its world and lore, as evidenced by my translations of the MOTHER Encyclopedia. The fact that it's so bare and open, and leaves so much to the imagination yet offers just enough information to give way to deep speculation, is in fact its main draw for me, and that's why I started writing/illustrating a comic for it. Plus, the limited graphics and sound design, which gave it an (unintentional?) spooky vibe all around (not just in the "spooky" areas), definitely helped feed my imagination. So I guess yeah, it's fair enough to say it's agony to play through, but for someone like me, it's a sheer gold mine of thought and reflection. And BTW, you're completely right; there's an interview somewhere in which Itoi admits his team didn't even bother evening out the balance of the final area.
@Jose-se9pu8 жыл бұрын
I really dont care about this marathon, but came to give a thumbs up because of the hard work Johnny puts on these videos.
@millieman768 жыл бұрын
Oh, congrats, have a cookie.
@Jose-se9pu8 жыл бұрын
+millieman76 Thanks!
@welon174 жыл бұрын
I am not blind to this game's flaws. And I still love it.
@monkeykingw8 жыл бұрын
Earthbound is your awesome mother who loves you and gives you candy. Mother 3 is your badass sister who is pretty awesome and while acknowledging that you're old enough to hear some of life's harsher points but let's you know that it will be alright. Earthbound Beginnings is your racist grandmother who is way too strict, but does have a kinder and more quirky side.
@destroyerblackdragon8 жыл бұрын
+Cascade Hellsing how racist?
@donnelwaddledee9658 жыл бұрын
+Loga Soba More like she still tells the African Americans to sit at the back of the bus.
@destroyerblackdragon8 жыл бұрын
its kinda hard to give a racist redeeming quailiteys
@monkeykingw8 жыл бұрын
Addison Thompson It's mostly age, which is where the main comparison comes from. A lot of problems from Beginnings can be summed up with what era it came out in. Does that make them okay? Not really, but it's understandable to see where it came from.
@namingisdifficult4086 жыл бұрын
Cascade Hellsing interesting
@Morgil278 жыл бұрын
10:36 that is precisely why I like the Wii U's off tv mode so much.
@flamethefox85418 жыл бұрын
Me too because I don't have a tv in my room
@NonstopRam8 жыл бұрын
If it weren't for that, I would have not beaten this game :P
@ChaosShadowZero893 жыл бұрын
Props to you for beating this game without cheats, and I agree grinding sucks! Brings the story and game itself to a stand still.
@hush84696 жыл бұрын
Hey Johnny happy new years. I'm just going through your whole VS series because I'm currently battling depression and your videos are good a distraction for my shitty life. Thank you for what you do and also this video was dropped on my bday
@SgtTwilight8 жыл бұрын
This is actually one of my all time favorite games. The charm lies in its simplicity, sure its aged horribly and the gameplay is grind happy, but I just cant stay mad at it.
@thatgamingauthor8 жыл бұрын
+Jordan DeHart Same here! I actually love this game a lot. A few years ago, I spent quite a few nights playing this game for hours. It can be difficult and frustrating, but I love it. :)
@austinp85998 жыл бұрын
+LordChrom me to guys. I love the Mother series. It's my favorite game series of all time.
@KidSnivy698 жыл бұрын
You have more tolerance than I do
@namingisdifficult4086 жыл бұрын
Jordan DeHart interesting
@autoexe26958 жыл бұрын
I've noticed you can usually tell what Johnny's final thoughts on a game are gonna be like judging on his general tone of voice throughout the review
@superbusstarodub8 жыл бұрын
Mt. Itoi is infamously unbalanced at the level that they didn't even bother.
@jclocks21578 жыл бұрын
13:30 lol, it actually wasn't playtested. Literally, Itoi basically went "fuck it" because the game development had hit such a tedium. (Not in those words, mind you.)
@azuraracon64068 жыл бұрын
I actually think he said during a Mother 1+2 event that when it came time to balance the last area, the entire dev team just said "whatever" and left it alone, so you'd be entirely correct
@anansi48498 жыл бұрын
Duuuuuuude, you had it right at 5:47 - 5:57. Itoi wanted it to be an open ended quest with different interpretations for every person. It was supposed to release the inner child in all of us. Unfortunately the gameplay is the worst I've ever had the displeasure of going through. But the narrative is pretty genius.
@KHLovergirl138 жыл бұрын
I actually like Mother 1; it's my second favorite out of the trilogy (Mother 3 being first) mostly cause of the story, interesting lore and humor which is what's most important to me in a game. As far as the review goes, I agree, Mother 1 hasn't aged well and that's to be expected because lots of early NES games (mostly in the RPG genre it seems) are very difficult and archaic, but they have their charm. When I played this game I knew going in it was gonna be hard so I turned to a guide so I could enjoy the story and "100%" complete it which I could never do on my own and as a result, I had no difficulties. Much like the original Legend of Zelda, you need a guide in order to make this game comfortable (which I also did with that game and had the same result). So as far as recommending this to the average person, it definitely would not make the cut, but if you're curious and: a) like old JRPGs and b) like the other two Mother games, it's definitely an experience that you should play even if it's just once. The only thing I would say is you really glossed over the story which there actually is a bit of, so it came off as a bit unfair. Overall, good review and I hope you like the other two more! Earthbound in particular took this game's blueprints and improved on them; basically Earthbound is what Mother 1 was trying to be for the NES and it has flaws like anything else but it's still a good game for its time. Thanks a lot Johnny!
@KHLovergirl138 жыл бұрын
+KHLovergirl13 Also in regards to the easy patch: that was for Mother 1+2 version and not the leaked Earthbound Zero (which is honestly the same as the rerelease we got on vc). So while it does make the game more enjoyable on its own without the use of a guide because it cuts down the encounter rate, doubles exp and money, it horribly botches up the music which this a huge good part of this game and it really sucks! ):
@original40464 жыл бұрын
Mother 1 was the first game I beat so it has a special place in my heart
@RedAvient8 жыл бұрын
"I am out of fucks to give" ~Johnny, 2016
@holylolydiver8 жыл бұрын
This is why I feel like the MOTHER 1+2 fan translation is the definitive version. -Better, more faithful translation that gives more tie-ins to the other two games and makes the world a bit more interesting. -Literally less grindy than Earthbound or MOTHER 3 (I didn't even have to go out of my way to grind) -Lowered encounter rate -Free movement that isn't locked to a grid and is much more responsive I would highly recommend anyone watching this video to give that version a shot if you want to experience this game, it's practically a must.
@genericfirstnamegenericlas64906 жыл бұрын
That lag is actually in the games mechanics, I've emulated Earthbound begginings and i noticed the weird movement too
@iregretsomeofmypreviouscom32848 жыл бұрын
Yes Earthbound Begginings/Mother 1! Liked that game even being too antiquate and aged badly. I always wanted that you reviewed the trilogy. Thanks.
@cupriferouscatalyst37088 жыл бұрын
wow the way he dissed the story was painful... they are all fair points, but damn it hurts to hear as it is my favorite video game story ever, and one of the few ive been really emotionally invested in. i love the way your adventure starts out and how you just go around exploring the world in the way you want to rather than in a linear way. each area has its own story told by NPCs and enviromental details, there are even some hidden side stories. a lot of it is in your head though. itoi made the game as a message to his young children, so youve gotta put yourself in the mindset of a young child with a vivid imagination, interpreting every little detail. the characters are all sort of based on western movie archetypes, so you can imagine a lot of the dialogue that they couldnt fit on the cartridge, and make it up in your head. it does mean that the story is very different for every player though, and that can absolutely be a negative thing. one thing that shouldve been brought up in the story second though is the semi-canon tie-in novel, the vocal soundtrack with lyrics to most songs in the game, and some important story details he missed. the motivation for giegues rage is caused by mary dying before the game starts. she and george raised giegue as a son, but she died when he was still young (possibly while trying to escape). giegue, who lives in an alien world without mother figures in their culture, and was raised to be a warlord taking control over other alien raises through fear, got very attached to the motherly love maria showed him, being otherwise non-existant in his culture. as to why he kidnaps humans it isnt explained in canon, but one can draw their own conclusions from his backstory. mine is that hes looking for a suitable replacement mother, as he is longing for love and kindness on a planet otherwise ruled by discipline and fear. also teddy possibly dying (recovering in the american version, implied having died in the japanese one) is a pretty important plot point. mothers, motherly love and the effects of lacking a mother are also a recurring theme in the series. thats another reason its called mother. the teleportation is a reference to back to the future, but yeah its kinda annoying. also, youre right, the final area wasnt actually playtested. they ran out of time lol. thanks for reading all my disjointed comments if you made it this far. i love this game, it probably shows. more than mother 2/earthboung and MUCH more than mother 3, which is still good but really mediocre and pretentious compared to mother 1 and 2.
@cupriferouscatalyst37088 жыл бұрын
+Vin Lark. pretty much. unless u mean earthbound as in mother 2
@KidSnivy698 жыл бұрын
You talk about Mother 3 being pretentious after you long winded love letter to Mother?
@cupriferouscatalyst37088 жыл бұрын
KidSnivy69 yep
@KidSnivy698 жыл бұрын
Cupriferous Catalyst then your a hyporite
@Bramhallthefifth8 жыл бұрын
i agree it was irresponsible of him as a critic to treat the story as such an afterthought, but the game is so broken and frustrating i don't blame him for not having the patience by the end of it.
@Jordan3DS8 жыл бұрын
As I walked home from school today I thought about this game for the first time in months, remembering the fun that I had with it... then I got home to find this in my sub box! It's the little things that make life great.
@safiahussein97854 жыл бұрын
"And that's after all that fucking grinding!" SomecallmeJohnny, 2016.
@albertothealpaca56828 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I remember that strawpoll from 2 years ago! Oh god, that was 2 years ago...
@manidavis41268 жыл бұрын
REALLY 😮😱🙀
@manidavis41268 жыл бұрын
REALLY 😮😱🙀
@albertothealpaca56828 жыл бұрын
+Mani Davis Um...the Super Mario RPG/Chrono Trigger/Earthbound one, yeah.
@FreezerBurn908 жыл бұрын
+AlbertoTheAlpaca No? it was the one from his mario maker review where you decided from Metal gear, earthbound and star fox
@albertothealpaca56828 жыл бұрын
+FreezerBurn90 I know. At the end of the video John talks about how long Mother fans have waited for his Earthbound review. The one I brought up was the first strawpoll with EarthBound as an option. I still remember when that strawpoll was up for vote ...
@dylanmaycry22118 жыл бұрын
Pollyanna gives me life
@saedt6 жыл бұрын
Johnny there’s a nice calming thing watching your vids. You’re a very entertaining dude. There is no fun in watching reviews if you think about it really, but it’s the reviewer that makes it fun. It’s nice hearing someone talking about things you’re interested in. Never played mother but this is a good vid. You’re commentary is fun and interesting. Thanks man.
@JonnyJinx048 жыл бұрын
You may know this/have been told already, but you asked if Mt. Itoi had even been playtested, and it seems like it actually wasn't. In an interview from Itoi, he said "What I get most is, “I’m at Mt. Itoi now, help!” That place is just crazy. When we got to fine-tuning there, I was like, “Whatever!”
@GiordanDiodato8 жыл бұрын
+JonnyJinx04 I still find Duncan's Factory worse. With Mt. Itoi, it's at the end of the game so it's gonna be pretty tough. Duncan's Factory? It's barely halfway through the game.
@moistfarticles62118 жыл бұрын
+Giordan Diodato Man, I hated Duncan's Factory.
@ArtemyMalchuk5 жыл бұрын
@@GiordanDiodato So, after getting Lloyd, does that mean I'm already halfway through? Boohoohoo, thought there was more to do.
@judgemario6 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed Mother 1, more so than Earthbound. I've actually tried to beat Earthbound three times and never finished it. I liked the story in Mother 1, the tunes, how fast the characters walk, and I just generally have more patience for grinding in NES games than others.
@ChaosMetroid90008 жыл бұрын
I actually really liked this game, sure it was limited by the tech but I was so surprisingly moved by the story in this game and I think that most of it is told through simple visuals and excellent audio.
@blindingblade8 жыл бұрын
MOTHER THERE IS NO OTHER LIKE MOTHER SO TREAT HER RIGHT
@TheDiego9088 жыл бұрын
*cue singing kids* MR T TELLS YOU TO BE SOMEBODY AND NOT SOMEBODY'S FOOL!
@blindingblade8 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Ortiz Why is this comment flagged, this is amazing.
@namingisdifficult4086 жыл бұрын
High quality stuff
@toyotacamry24146 жыл бұрын
Mr. Mister Mister TREAT YA MOTHER RIGHT YA MOTHER RIGHT
@michaelrhett49586 жыл бұрын
TheDiego908 ITS A CRACK BABY FOOL
@wesleybcrowen8 жыл бұрын
I guess it's one of THOSE first games in the series that bring the idea and bare executive of a concept.. and is eclipsed nowadays with how the sequels improved upon the foundation. Kinda like.. Metal Gear, in a sense.
@millieman768 жыл бұрын
Very well put.
@westide30508 жыл бұрын
NINTENS FACE IS A QUESTION MARK, look at the Sprite you will never unsee it
@Paranoiasonik8 жыл бұрын
You might see what I see, You might not, all in all I just hope you enjoy them. Great review.
@eithanknife8 жыл бұрын
HI Nathan
@jdfalcon088 жыл бұрын
After coming home from a long day of work, I was happy to see this video.
@sme238 жыл бұрын
Don't worry. MOTHER fans are incredibly accustomed to waiting. You could have announced this marathon in 2003 and we would still have been waiting patiently for it today.
@d3structi8 жыл бұрын
+esahig15789 That's a cruel joke.
@LvlGenesis8 жыл бұрын
Finally, a video to surpass metal gear. In all seriousness I'm so happy you are doing this series, they are some of my favorite games of all time.
@ShadyKnight98 жыл бұрын
Did you know, John? During development, Mt. Itoi was actually harder. One person told Itoi that maybe they should tone it down a bit, and Itoi's response was "Whatever."
@elgoochadore10868 жыл бұрын
God bless you Johnny, you are an amazing content-producer and reviewer, and you are quite well-spoken. Keep on keeping on, man!
@ya-kiri7948 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I believe, if it could happen, that this game deserves a remake or re-imagining on the 3DS that fixes all the issues the original had. It could add the innovations, visuals, and elements the next two games introduced and it could flesh out the story and characters and address some of the balancing issues. Does anyone have anything else to add?
@rileygay11658 жыл бұрын
If like to see all three Mother games remade/remastered
@seank.cunningham3841 Жыл бұрын
Honestly my favorite thing about this game is the backstory behind its final boss and why he hates you singing to him in the first place. Tragic AF, especially considering his state of mind in the sequel.
@sunnyta19908 жыл бұрын
i literally only bought earthbound beginnings because i want nintendo localize mother 3 the game itself is god awful BUT MOTHER 3 THO... that game is pure magic
@slashingkatie78728 жыл бұрын
Git gud
@donnelwaddledee9658 жыл бұрын
Why not Mother 2/Earthbound? It's a much better game worth its price
@regularrandomperson71088 жыл бұрын
+Pikachu Thirteen *Assuming he hasn't done that*
@donnelwaddledee9658 жыл бұрын
+Regular Random Person Wait, the way he phrased it only refered to Mother 1. My mistake
@edwardwisniewski53758 жыл бұрын
it's a decent game
@viola84225 жыл бұрын
ana's crush on ninten comes from watching him on his adventure with her psi powers
@notaducc6 жыл бұрын
My whole Mother 1 experience went like this. Get stuck in Magicant. End up grinding up to the heavens unintentionally just trying to leave. Aside for my other partners, I was able to absolutely destroy everything in the game once I finally found out how to leave.
@Morgil279 ай бұрын
"This can all be justified if you look at the whole thing as a parody" _Ding Ding Ding!_ You hit the nail right on the head!
@Inezh3588 жыл бұрын
Good video Johnny! Looking forward to the rest of the series.
@FutureTrunks723 жыл бұрын
It has been 5 years and 5 days since this video came up and today I beat EarthBound Beginnings for the first time
@kylecampbell5658 жыл бұрын
13:35 I kid you not Johnny it actually wasn't they ran out of time to do so before the Japanese release and I assume either Etoi wanted to keep the difficulty for the English version or the English release was canceled before they had a chance
@idkwhothisis3478 жыл бұрын
+Kyle Campbell I was about to say that, yeah. Johnny has a lot of legitimate criticisms, really. But in the end, call me a fangirl, but I still love MOTHER 1 so much. It's a very important game to me.
@Chilidogs-ku9ql4 жыл бұрын
13:38 I know there are alot of comments about this, but actually no, the game was super close to release date so they couldn't playtest this spot of the game, though, surprisingly, they didn't polish it's balance in the re-releases...
@theelephant21178 жыл бұрын
Mother 3 is my favorite game ever, WOOT
@westide30508 жыл бұрын
I know you're a Mother nerd b/c that's the Mother Universe icon, I know I'm a Mother nerd b/c I know about the Twitter page
@BahuschBahusch8 жыл бұрын
+The Elephant Mine too.
@josephcross84648 жыл бұрын
I just got up of the bed, turned on my PC, saw this video on my subscription feed, and I knew this was going to be a great day.
@Bluedino1528 жыл бұрын
The Pokemon comparisons are interesting. This and Pokemon actually shared some developers, and gigue/giygas looks a lot like Mewtwo.
@SmashTheOni8 жыл бұрын
Mewtwo is basically what you get if you combine Giygas with Frieza
@quadpad_music9 ай бұрын
You don't have to grind if you talk to your sisters at the beginning. They can give you OrangeJuice, which is pretty much a full HP restore by that point, making the trek to Podunk a breeze. Once you reach Podunk, don't go to the Cementery inmediately. RPGs of this era would typically signpost what areas you were meant to go to via the strength of the enemies. Listen to what the game is trying to tell you and head somewhere else instead... such as Canary Village, which is strongly hinted at by at least a couple of NPCs. There, you will get a mission to bring Laura the Canary's daughter back to her. By the point you've done this, you should have more than enough EXP and money to buy a slingshot and some burgs. You will also unlock LifeUp, thus giving you the ability to tackle the Zombies up ahead. So long as you don't mash Attack and you actually stop to think about when you should heal, you'll be fine. The cementery is also fairly large, so by the time you've found Pippi you'll be about level 7, thus unlocking DefenseUp. This literally DOUBLES your Defense, so if you're using it you should be fine. It's also worth pointing out that old RPGs actually want you to consider running away from battles as a strategic option and not just a nice convenience, so do that too. The rest of the game follows suit - it gives you tons of options, so use them and you'll be fine. Even the ones many call 'useless' are great in this game. For example, if you buff Loid and Ana's defense when they're new to the party, and have them guard every turn, they will level up naturally. No need to go out of your way to grind. But of course, guarding in turn based games is 'useless' and 'only there for decoration' so no one even begins to consider it as a worthy tool for two seconds. I find this game was really hurt by the fact RPGs weren't popular outside of Japan for the longest time, meaning most players in the west don't quite understand the genre's difficulty design and just assume hard = grindy. tl;dr: skill issue.
@SaXor_the_Nobody8 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Mt Itoi actually wasn't tested since the programmers were nearing their deadline.
@jimmyeddy8 жыл бұрын
In the English version it was modified and most certainly tested but I buy that the Japanese version is untested
@angelzavala22546 жыл бұрын
No it wasn't.
@AlexLaTerreur8 жыл бұрын
I played this game when it came out. It was pretty fun and not too hard. My favorite moment was getting in the tank. The music was insane for no reason. There was also a bar that you can get in and if you drink, you get caught by the police and they confiscate your weapon. You can talk to another police officer and he's like "Hey! Check out this new weapon that I found" and he's selling your weapon LOL
@viola84225 жыл бұрын
this game is flawed but it's charm will always make one of my fav games
@jiub7608 жыл бұрын
ive litteraly screeched when he uploaded.... love you man
@senabea8 жыл бұрын
I can't explain why, but I actually fucking loved my playthrough of this game. It was really hard, but for some reason even through all the samey grinding and bs I was still having a really good time
@itsasecrettoeverybody8 жыл бұрын
This game is magical... I have a great time playing it too.
@nintendo1889x7 жыл бұрын
The 25th or whatever anniversary ROM hack makes this game so much better. I highly recommend it over the vanilla version.
@Nyug3r8 жыл бұрын
Did you know Johnny. In the Japanese version. Mt.Itoi even wasn´t in the game technically. It wasn´t a dungeon. It was pretty much a straight shot to Giygas. That´s why it feels so hard and unfinished.
@DarkDemonSide8 жыл бұрын
Woot, my favorite youtuber covering the earthbound series, thank you!
@amphicyon43598 жыл бұрын
Johnny, when you eventually get to the handheld sonic series, I implore you to always look to the master system version as the definitive version of the game. And for triple trouble, really try hard to get a master system reproduction copy or emulator look, because from my experience, it rivals Sonic 2 in quality when you can see more around you
@0730bcorm2 жыл бұрын
Mother 1 got its name due to Maria being the “mother” of Giegue
@MishKoz8 жыл бұрын
Also, Mount Itoi wasn't play tested fully. They rushed it because it was the final area.
@snessy8 жыл бұрын
+Bob Thompson also not to mention this that this is an prototype.
@symphomaniac8 жыл бұрын
+Snesbox Yoshi ...uh no it's not exactly a prototype. It was this way in the Japanese original. Hell the Japanese version was actually worse. It didn't even have a run button
@homeslice19986 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this as I go on my 4th Grind Session... LOL
@HoudiniFontmeister7 жыл бұрын
Although he did name the game after the song Mother it also has a deeper meaning within the game story if you think about it Maria was giygas's Foster mother and the climax centers around this with her song being a mother's lullaby being what actually defeats giygas. Some deep shit brother. Currently working on my reviews of the series beginning with this game of course. ^_^
@dey69427 жыл бұрын
Houdini Fontmeister i never thought of it that way wow that's actually pretty smart though
@gameovernate7 жыл бұрын
Take a melody Simple as can be Give it some words and Sweet harmony Raise your voices All day long now Love grows strong now Sing a melody of Love, oh love Love is the power Love is the glory Love is the beauty And the joy of spring Love is the magic Love is the story Love is the melody We all can sing
@professionaldaft74038 жыл бұрын
Anyone notice that on box art Ana isn't wearing a hat but in gameplay she is.
@FakeHoldenCaulfield8 жыл бұрын
So happy we're finally dealing with the Mother marathon since I had only just barely begun the first MGS when the review came out, and, whoa, spoilers abound, haha. Looking forward to the next two reviews!
@joshuabradley61108 жыл бұрын
I actually really enjoyed this game. I agree with most of your points, however. I found that the unique charm was enough to salvage the experience for me. Mt. Itoi is bullshit though, no doubt about that.
@MatthewDadoun8 жыл бұрын
You can actually reduce your encounter rate by opening the menu every step as it restarts every time making Mt. Itoi a breeze
@CitpostShentral8 жыл бұрын
but that's annoying and we shouldn't have to do that
@scrappy20826 жыл бұрын
Citpost Shentral not really
@Dracobyte2 жыл бұрын
Earthbpund and its prequel are now available on the Nintendo Switch!
@BigMacOrange2 жыл бұрын
Finally. I'm glad I have the wii u version but the switch emulation is so much more crispy.
@lurpi56316 жыл бұрын
the modify Mother version doesn't have that much of grinding indeed, but still has it
@azuraracon64068 жыл бұрын
Honestly I've gotta agree with pretty much everything you've said. EBB as a game has not aged very well at all, and everything it has going for it is in its world, characters, and the limited story presented. That said, those three things have made it far more tolerable than any other NES era RPG for me, it being the only one I've ever brought myself to finish
@jebraxas52336 жыл бұрын
The final area of the game is so difficult because before the game finished development, the devs were running out of time so to get the game finished and ready for release, Itoi literally said, "whatever" to the question of how hard to make the final area. So to answer your question, no, Mt. Itoi was not play tested
@ryankfbro8 жыл бұрын
At least it gets better from here.
@timidalchemist84758 жыл бұрын
+DeadeyezRy which is rare for a game trilogy to do...most tend to have the first game being the best or it's sequel while the third is when it all goes downhill.
@MuseZach8 жыл бұрын
Seeing this upload as a notification on my phone made the rest of my school day that much more brutal.