jojo siwa defends colleen and calls me a liar

[@AdamMcIntyre]

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[@yoshe2]

“and at the bottom of the pyramid…”

[@Olivia_M09]

@@yoshe2” JoJo , you were fifth in the competition, you’re fifth on the pyramid, sometimes you act like a five year old. Maybe fives you’re lucky number…. or not so lucky number.” - Abby Lee Miller (season 5)

[@yoshe2]

@@Olivia_M09 “YOU DESERVE NOTHING!“ -Abby Lee Miller, queen herself 💅

[@DirgeHole-2866]

Oh god it’s from that terrible Dance Moms show.

[@cocosfilms]

we love you adam!! i really hope you are feeling okay after this. 💕 i know how frustrating it is to have your SA experience constantly minimised

[@circaoak343]

The fact jojo's audience is minors and she's condoning Colleen's behaviour is VERY concerning

[@PeaNutttyyy]

Yes, I agree. I think it’s concerning too.

[@TheWobblyQueen]

She had a grooming allegation herself earlier in the year after her dance troupe of minors split. No evidence of but financial abuse and over working the girls the kids have receipts.

[@ellaelliott4415]

She's friends with James Charles and Abby Lee Miller so I'm not surprised that she's targeting victims

[@victorlannister5606]

Now I’m not in favor of jojo at all but she was basically raised on tv then was continuously in the spotlight bullied by adults for acting childish even though she was a child and she was constantly around people like Shane Dawson and Colleen! I just feel like this is more a victim not recognizing that they too had been exploited because she’s been exploited for basically as long as she can remember! I don’t think what she said is ok in the slightest but her condoning Colleen’s behavior could be a reflection of how normal this behavior was around her as a kid. It’s not good and I’m sad disappointed and angry by what she said just wanted to talk about this.

[@shainaverbaan7299]

@@victorlannister5606 exactly this! Hollywood and “the industry” is FULL of disgusting behaviour like Colleen’s. I’m not saying her feelings aren’t valid, but her opinion on the allegations is not based on a healthy reference. I hope she can see the situation from another point of view at some point

[@ezziebee8998]

It's just so crazy for someone to be like “do you support this child groomer” and the defense is “yes, because Ive known them since I was 12”

[@marcusamirite]

Wow this comment is spot on 🎯

[@ashleyeverafter2827]

Further proving the grooming point 😂

[@aure3327]

It's like ashton and mila's drama about danny masterson "but but he was nice to meee"

[@Cairo198]

Jojo was brainwashed by DanceMoms before she met Colleen..

[@georgia840]

I know! It did not sound good when Jojo started off by saying “I’ve known Colleen since I was 12”

[@rluciano287]

Jojo Siwa is an unfortunate example of "successful" grooming. She'll understand how bad this is later in therapy.

[@brenda4085]

She talks like she's brain washed.

[@BabyBoy_Milo]

My thoughts exactly. She’ll probably realize it mid-late 20’s when she’s still younger than Colleen was but wouldn’t be able to imagine herself befriending kid content creators

[@ghostie7790]

exactly what I thought!!

[@cici8458]

I think she's desensitized to being surrounded by groomers long before she met Coleen :/ I feel like she's in denial because for her, adults were befriending her from such a young age and she was literally always put in spotlight for adult's amusement on top of also being used to being berated by adults. So to face Coleen as a problem would force her to face all the other adults that have taken advantage of her as a child...

[@kory_misun]

A therapist or ten should help un-brainwash her, but it will take years.

[@elletea8298]

I’m a year older than Colleen and I cannot imagine befriending a 12 year old when I was 28! I couldn’t even imagine being friends with a 12 year old at 15 years old. It’s beyond bizarre that she had friendships with kids/teens. Being kind to them at shows or having a one off conversation when meeting them is fine but joining chat groups with them, sending them panties, discussing and doing inappropriate stuff is just so disgusting.

[@OReily08080]

Exactly

[@raeechil]

Yeah I'm 27 and have a 12 year old cousin who I don't know how to have conversations with nevermind befriend, I'd love to know more about how that even works. Do you need to have the emotional intelligence of that age range for that to feel comfortable in her case? For her to not consider it predatory I feel like theres emotional immaturity involved, but also the content isn't innocent either. At the same time that age range is full of out of place se xual jokes so idk the topic of predators gets intriguing causing I think they're all emotionally suppressed and that leaves them relating to people who are emotionally at the same level as them which is largely children. You might find an adult that's a match and have a relationship there but still have an attraction se xual or platonic with children.

[@unstablymental1796]

I'm 16 and I'm not even that "friendly" with my 11 years old cousin. I love her but we have nothing in common....I'm confused on what a 28 yo has in common with a 12 yo..

[@OReily08080]

Fr, I'm 20 and don't even have my 16 yr old cousins' phone numbers. Once it's college worrying time, then yeah I'll give em advice and support if we text. Other than that if I wasn't already in the situation like a tutor, coworker, I wouldn't talk to someone in a completely different age group outside of that environment

[@CherrrrBear]

EXACTLY I was born the same year as Colleen and wtf was she doing being besties with a 12 year old? What do you have in common other than Colleen having other “children friends” which is suspicious!!!!!

[@Sofia6261]

It’s crazy how jojo says this is a sensitive topic when the person she’s defending addressed these sensitive allegations playing a ukulele song.

[@Hey_Mrs.Reddit]

So true

[@ZinniaGulden]

Literally omfg like my head hurts with the level of hypocrisy

[@Sofia6261]

The victims deserve an actual apology. I hope they know that many of us are on their side and support them!

[@jelenapo_13]

All aboard

[@laurah674]

Says it’s a sensitive topic and then does everything to characterize what the victims are saying as lies. I barely understood anything she was trying to say other than that tbh

[@gnat559]

She literally says "it's important to not blur the friend/fan line" and then the next anecdote is about how she met Colleen because she herself was a fan initially... Cognitive dissonance

[@Amber-bo5so]

It’s Stockholm Syndrome 💯

[@valeyard6650]

I think it’s important to note Jojo herself has dated people who are fans of hers. She probably doesn’t understand power dynamics and how easily someone can lose their agency when the person with power in the relationship wields that power to gain some type of advantage that only really benefits them.

[@TheTinFoilTiara]

She'll get it eventually. Her discomfort with this interview speaks volumes.

[@heyitsalannaluv]

​@@valeyard6650she must of got that from James Charles lol..I didn't realize she used her fans as a dating pool

[@Sasha75995]

​@valeyard6650 The only person who was a fan of hers was Avery and Avery is three years older than Jojo.

[@bioshockfreakna]

Jojo has been groomed for years by multiple people but that doesn't excuse that she is trying to tell OTHER victims THAT THEIR STORIES ARE LIARS!!!!

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

As a victim, I've been attacked by other victims. Some people only care about their own protection and their own trauma. I agree, no excuse.

[@personincognito3989]

Bioshockfreakna, I feel your anger.

[@alexb7092]

100%

[@Astrid_2016]

Exactly 💯

[@BsTheLadynred]

She's calling other victims as liars because of her grooming. That's part of it!!!

[@Mooseinclusivity]

Jojo: “this is sensitive” Colleen: “IM NOT A GROOMER JUST A LOSER”

[@Ivory_lowkey]

Lol 😂😂

[@juliaschramm5538]

Just because a groomer was kind to YOU doesn’t mean that they didn’t groom other children. Just because an abuser didn’t abuse you doesn’t mean they didn’t abuse other people. Jojo needs to understand that. Hopefully she does someday as she probably has many child fans and the message she puts out there is very harmful and disgusting tbh.

[@JosiahCS]

yea, Jojo for the most part was more famous/successful than Colleen at that time so obviously a narcissist like Colleen would view her as a valuable asset and prioritize being nice to her

[@Myarose2000]

Gives me Ashton and Mila vibes 😂😂

[@Myarose2000]

​@JosiahCS understand that narcissism is an actual diagnosed mental illness. She's toxic, not narcissistic 😊

[@juliaschramm5538]

@@Myarose2000 same here!

[@juliaschramm5538]

@@Myarose2000 VERY good point ☺️ when we throw around such terms so lightly they loose all meaning, especially when used incorrectly and without understanding the actual meaning. Thank you for pointing that out!

[@leoaranzaa]

Jojo has been groomed her WHOLE life, by her mother, by her former dance teacher and by Colleen. She’s so wrapped up in it that she’s not going to realise for a long time.

[@rluciano287]

It's sad but true

[@NotAsh_8]

it’s actually really sad because she thinks these things are normal :(

[@JOvalle135]

Yikes, I didn't even consider that.

[@alpaca6462]

​@@VampyBlood17she's physically 20 not mentally 20, she's probably like 5 years behind because of how much she's been groomed by all the adults in her life

[@maiganmattson5836]

Could not agree more with your comment. By the sounds of it it appears JoJo might be one of the tragic cases where the abused become the abuser. It is heart wrenching and upsetting the messages she is sending to all her young fans simply by supporting and standing by the people she does.

[@slinky5827]

Man this disgusts me considering people such as colleen have had access to her since she was a minor. Sadly because of JoJo being groomed by all of these monstrosities, she's just in denial :/

[@LawNerdAmber]

I was trying to figure out a way to say it. You said it so well. Not forgiving her by any means, but this is the other side of the coin from Adam. He knows what happened to him, she doesn't see it and instead defends it.

[@00zero000zero00]

It’s how victims become perpetrators unfortunately

[@Troubled_waters]

Jojo is already grooming her own crew of young girls :/ she has a grade schooler group performing for her already.

[@aduckofsomesort]

It reminds me of Maddie Ziegler

[@paulafamularo5001]

Don’t feel sympathy for JoJo!! She’s laughing her way to the bank!! She was exploited, and is now an exploiter. Her choice!!!

[@psyduck2250]

Someone in Adam’s live chat said “Jojo has too much hairspray absorbed into her brain to see the red flags” and I found that so damn hilarious 😂

[@heatherbop2946]

Oh lawd did she just ruin her career for Colleen!? Like nooooo!

[@lilmoonlightbear]

she already ruined it in my opinion by saying lesbian was a dirty word

[@Selene_Dragon]

She’s been problematic since she defended her racist friends

[@vanillawaterfae]

She’s always been creepy close to Colleen. It’s disturbing.

[@humblenugget]

@@Selene_Dragonand James Charles even after he admitted to his actions

[@azalearose1917]

LETS HOPE SO🤢🤢

[@rachael8646]

A big part of the problem is Jojo was raised in the most extreme version of the family vlog culture and has been treated as inappropriately too adult for her age for her entire life. Colleen to her is much less extreme than the extreme situation this young person was put in as a child. Victims aren't always the best advocates because certain inappropriate behaviors and patterns have been normalized to many victims.

[@Wheezyem]

This comment!

[@nuclearclarity3778]

that’s a very good point, her mom was bleaching her hair and putting her in pageants since she was 2. she’s been through it all

[@Struudeli]

It's really sad. And as a victim I agree - I have not always been the best advocate due to my own trauma affecting my views. After years of therapy I've come out at the other side, and luckily had good and gentle people around me to help me to grow.

[@KaliDurga108]

@@nuclearclarity3778 i believe jojo chooses to ignore the bad behaviour from her mother bc it got her fame and money.

[@SideCharacter12303]

@@KaliDurga108she could also be choosing ignorance, to an extent, because she’s her mum. The attachment kids have to their parents is biological. Sometimes a parent can be horrendously abusive in every way but a part of the child still loves them, and sometimes if they haven’t unpacked their trauma yet- their mind will choose to hide from the abusive aspects if that makes sense. For some people, they’re still at the stage where they can’t even touch the idea of their parent being abusive because that means they have to confront the trauma. Jojo’s still young, I really hope she can start a journey of self discovery and grow

[@Michelleistyping]

Jojo needs extensive therapy so she can realize that she,too, is a victim. If self destruction was a person,it would also be repulsed by Jojo’s response.

[@chika2724]

Jojo’s also super engaged into the same kind of content as Colleen, minus the grooming and everything else. Her entire audience is marketed to kids, and she’s remained dressing, acting, and making dozens of products directed towards kids. I think she doesn’t want to accept it not just because of Colleen’s grooming of her and their ‘friendship’, but the fact that it would also direct Jojo to have to look at her own content and who she’s directing it to. Specifically regarding her continuous platforming and public friendships with James, Shane, and others.

[@whimsikal1632]

@@chika2724I think what makes JoJo different from the other people you named is that JoJo really didn't choose to make children's content, she was child when she started making content. She also really tries not to make appropriate content for her audience and that also included her waiting to come out until her Nickelodeon contract expired. So I don't think it's really fair to group her into the people she's supporting, because she's not.

[@eevesjunkyard]

@@whimsikal1632but she is the same. Her start was different because of the circumstances, but she is still defending and actively being public friends with people that have been proven to be child predators and/or problematic people. She publicly defends and hangs out with Shane, James, Colleen, Tana, and so many others. Her still making videos that pander to a younger audience is a problem considering the company she keeps. If she truly wanted to separate herself from her child audience she would start a second channel and in the announcement make it clear the content is not directed towards children. She is still very much part of the problem regardless of how she got there.

[@Poopiepies]

“Forreal grooming is such a sensitive thing” oh, that’s so telling. She doesn’t believe what Colleen did was real grooming and that quote says it all.

[@veepersart9625]

Literally

[@LavenousForever]

This isn’t the first time Jojo has sided with a child abuser. She has publicly sided with Abby Lee Miller because what she did to her “wasn’t that bad”. Meanwhile there is DOCUMENTED abuse all throughout the show as well. She went on a rant on social media when another mom said a different teacher mistreated her kid. Jojo only sees her experience as valid

[@katiepaniccia7719]

It truly is the same thing!! Jojo is indeed the only girl from dance moms who keeps in contact with Abby while many of the other girls have opened up to the public about the abuse that they had endured, and yet Jojo will defend Abby to the ends of the earth…

[@brenda4085]

Yeah, that's like being in an abusive home where a parent only targets certain kids and since not everyone is targeted then the parent isn't so bad.

[@nerdybrooke-lyn4565]

She also sided with Shane Dawson and James Charles. I think she has a blind spot when it comes to groomers and predators.

[@ketameanii]

either she’s going to grow up in denial or she’s going to have a HARD realization when she gets older

[@j-rodthelibrarykid1166]

Abby likes teenagers too

[@sandiecooke1465]

Sadly.. JoJo is probably used to people like Colleen and sees it as normal behaviour

[@Madame_Butterfly_13]

🎯

[@ricocobasilik1654]

💯

[@ljb5163]

Didn’t she collab with Shane Dawson recently?

[@personincognito3989]

Yes, she thinks this is normal. Yet there are videos of the C@@//&&N creature with jo jo saying and acting inappropriate when she was 13

[@cherriblossom0825]

Yea honestly

[@crowpen]

If your response to predatory grooming allegations is basically “it’s not true! I’ve been best friends with this adult woman since I was 12!” then the grooming tactics have 100% worked. I bet Colleen paid Jojo to defend her. Or at the least manipulated her… ya know, as she does

[@CrystalCat24]

i dont think she paid her, at all.

[@lesabri]

Colleen paid her in Cheese balls from her crack

[@crowpen]

@@CrystalCat24 true, she probably can’t afford it after all the money she’s losing from a decline in viewers and sponsor pulls and tour cancellations

[@TheTinFoilTiara]

💯💯💯

[@TheTinFoilTiara]

It definitely wouldn't surprise me though, if Colleen somehow put her up to this.

[@Fiemus9]

Theres something so peaceful and nice about the back and forth between Josh and Adam, it makes you believe in the good that humans can posses. Josh is the most beautiful example of what my mum always used to say "its not the mistake that counts, its what you do afterwards". It might sound cringe but we all really do mistakes, you never know what youll do when you get put into different scenarios. What makes you a good person is how you handle it afterwards

[@cheesebread3]

“How do you floor the most media trained child of all time? That’s how hard it is to defend Colleen Ballinger right now.” 💀💀💀 well said my friend

[@Chatcher14]

For reeeeaaaal 🤦

[@vanillawaterfae]

It is never okay for an adult to constantly “hang out” with a 12 year old. Of course colleen was kind to her….that’s how grooming starts. Jojo is old enough to understand that Colleen is a groomer.

[@lukebeanstalker]

This! It’s not normal for 27 year olds to be friends with 13 year olds hello 😫

[@hagathachristie]

Sometimes it takes a long time to unpack and process the grooming. I have sympathy for her, but what she's saying is completely out of line and ignorant. It's even worse that she doubles down to defend and support other awful people.

[@tasmeenbaker9912]

​@@lukebeanstalkerFr, I'm 18 and even I wouldn't be "besties" with a 13 year old. I'm at a point where I view anyone under 16 as a baby.

[@milouiscool]

she also still loves and supports abby lee miller while all the other dance moms girls haven’t been in contact with her for years since she traumatized them

[@meganw9380]

@@tasmeenbaker9912SAME. i’m 18 and could never imagine enjoying spending time with somebody 16 or under unless i was babysitting 😂

[@goblin-alley]

watching her squirm her way through this line of questioning is EXCRUCIATING to watch. if you're going to defend predators, girlie, at least prepare a statement first.

[@philstrachan]

100%

[@EmeraldEyes3713]

And the questioning was *very* gentle by Howie. He gave her multiple perfect opportunities to have a good take and….well this is what happened

[@tlangeeful1747]

@@EmeraldEyes3713 first time im watching a clip of howie's podcast in totality and he is a surprisingly good host and interviewer!! he was top tier here imo

[@EmeraldEyes3713]

@@tlangeeful1747 he also definitely learned from his Scandoval fiasco, he’s learning to gently push back and ask the important questions!

[@tlangeeful1747]

@@EmeraldEyes3713 for sure! we love a creator that actually learns from their mistakes. the way he carefully prodded jojo here was seriously hard investigative strategy not everyone can do I'm like so impressed lmao. good for him fr fr fr!

[@jmae3263]

Jojo’s ramblings screams someone who doesn’t want to lose a friend in a high place but also wants to keep their hands clean

[@HopelessnessEnsues]

obviously, she is.

[@Brattybat]

Just like with Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis, IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW THEY TREAT THEIR FRIENDS!!! THEY COMMITTED CRIMINAL ACTS AND THAT’S THAT

[@keyfiender799]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@indiashante1560]

💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@maryannappiagyei4277]

So true 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@honeysweet4804]

yes i was thinking the same thing

[@loll1165]

Wait sorry I’m not aware what did they do?

[@dollassassin00dolly26]

Colleen use to say “I don’t understand why I’m nominated for the kids choice awards” ….. as if she didn’t know 90% of her audience were children!!!! Like bye

[@raigenhuss7030]

People call her young because she has feigned this super young innocent character her whole career. Which makes her friendship with Colleen even creepier. She targeted her because of her little girl persona. Of course the ballingers have always been nice to her…she’s a millionaire. They’re not gonna be rude and ruin their platform of children who love Jojo.

[@bobtheball5384]

I mean- I think it's also due to the fact that the majority of her own career has been her being a minor. She's not even past the drinking age yet

[@thephoebechannel]

literally

[@BsTheLadynred]

They all use each other to claw their way up.

[@Panda-gx2rs]

Yeah but I would say her persona was true to her, it's not like she's was an adult having a persona, she herself was a literal child most of her career, like she was a little girl that is why her persona was like that but rest of critique I agree with.

[@Cairo198]

@raigenhuss7030 Jojo was brainwashed since the beginning by Dance Moms before she even met Colleen...

[@kaylinelisee]

take a shot every time adam says “you’re SOOO close to getting it!!!”

[@TheSaltySunflower]

Jojo has been groomed from a young age and is now parroting the same garbage she was brainwashed with. So this absolutely doesn’t surprise me.

[@philstrachan]

100%

[@cheekybabe666]

To me she sounds like a younger then her age person being asked to give an 'off the cuff' personal statement that will be attached to her, her 'professional self', and it will be used against her, so she's giving the best 'middle ground answer' she had - which is possibly not as immature as ~you'd~ think. Life is complicated. People are complicated. She's a young person that 'grew up' with this adult she trusted. She's still somewhat an outsider, looking in. People think it's easy, and expect OTHERS to pick a side. To know what's right. Like demanding a 12 year old pick who's 'right' in the divorce because one is 'no fun' and the other cheated, pick which one they love. It's easy for YOU to demand it, you think and possibly do have all the facts, and adults understanding. And at that stage, you're lacking empathy and understanding for them, and almost objectifying them, treating them like a pawn. See, they chose are side. Life and people are not simple. We observers need to remember we are only reacting to what we are being told and show. There are the three sides to every story. Her side, his side, and the truth, as they say.

[@lc360]

It's so clear. She said on another podcast that she feels way older than people her age. I'm sure she believes that and I'm sure adults have told her that exact sentiment. She definitely has a lot of adult responsibility but she is in no way at a level of emotional maturity required to assess issues like this. Her judgement is clouded by years of grooming. It's frustrating to see from the outside.

[@spacecat7864]

She’s literally been surrounded by the most toxic adults since she was 12 and it’s been wild seeing how warped her world view is. She’s at the age where you start to unpack stuff like that or squish it down forever and become one of the shitty adults herself. I hope she takes the first route even though it would be a very unpleasant journey to take.

[@cheekybabe666]

@@spacecat7864 Honestly, it takes a lot of people even longer then that, so give it 10 more years when people start having kids and the realisation of age and mortality sets in.

[@KaseyNlopez]

JOJO was groomed at such a young age to be who she is since her time on Dance Mom!!! She may love what she does, but she is still groomed by her parents. Colleen became friends with JoJo for younger fans. Jojo is struggling to defend Colleen because she knows it's true. Jojo is a fast talker, and if she highly believes it's all lies, then she would be her normal self instead of masking her emotions!!! I have to make an edit regarding my post. I was wrong in the words I used to describe JOJO being groomed by her parents. She was exploited by her parents, not groomed. I appreciate that someone was able to help me see the difference between the two. I appreciate anyone's feedback and love seeing everyone's thoughts and feedback. Stay safe online🧡

[@attackfox]

I fear Jojo really doesn't know what her normal self is. She's used to being on camera nonstop (she posts snapchats all day as that's her main source of income, I imagine) and she is constantly working.

[@yoshe2]

I’m sorry but how are you groomed by your own parents- am i just dumb?

[@vanillawaterfae]

She has always been disturbingly close to Colleen. I always thought it was super sketch.

[@00st307-m]

@@vanillawaterfaeSAME

[@00st307-m]

@@vanillawaterfaeit took me hitting the age of the adults in my life - to realize that our “friendship” was inappropriate. These people need to get friends their own age. Feel like it will hit Jojo hard later…

[@lilypowder1]

It kills me when people dismiss other people’s experiences just because theirs wasn’t the same. It’s like when someone is accused of SA and the people around them are like “I don’t believe it. They were never inappropriate with me/around me.” Aaah yes, because everything is dictated by you. How dare you! JoJo should’ve never been allowed to be around CB, but this doesn’t excuse the crap she’s spewing

[@caesarweasel]

I've been dealing with this exact same thing for a decade and still hear this response when I warn others of those I know to be dangerous

[@marliewarhaft]

She did the same thing awhile back when Christi from dance moms (I think?) made a TikTok alluding to Abby being rly nasty towards her and Chloe on purpose with the intent to cause emotional harm and so on, and Jojo made a TikTok in response basically being like "well I didn't have that experience so it mustn't be true" or some bullshit like that. I was never a fan of Jojo, but I always kinda rooted for her and her success, but that was a huge turnoff

[@lilypowder1]

@@caesarweasel😢🤍🤍🤍 wishing peace & love for you

[@lilypowder1]

@@marliewarhaftWooow. I never watched the show. Every clip I will saw had that lady yelling at the kids, so I refused to watch. Given her response here, I can’t say what you said is surprising.

[@lilypowder1]

@@Raya-ir4tmFrom the clips Adam showed, I wouldn’t doubt it either, but going out of your way to denounce the experiences of others that you know deep down are true…. It’s terrible. It may be an explanation, but definitely not an excuse.

[@TaughtHail55]

“We became friends…she became somebody that I idolized” JOJO YOU ARE EXPLAINING GROOMING WTF 😭😭😭

[@humblenugget]

Noooooo she just keeps falling further and it’s so sad. Stopped following her when I saw she still defends and supports James. But this is gross

[@absoluteli.0]

who is James?

[@BopperLIVE]

@@absoluteli.0james Charles, another groomer

[@trishapaylessvevo8260]

@@absoluteli.0James Charles I think

[@poorninarayanan4833]

She defended JAMES CHARLES😭?

[@priyamanobal]

@@poorninarayanan4833James Charles, Abby lee Miller, and still hangs out with Shane Dawson…she’s always sided with the wrong people

[@ginbug7061]

It’s so frustrating because all this proves is that Jojo is just another of Colleen’s victims. I just want someone to ask her “as a 20 y/o today, would you entertain a deep emotional relationship with a 12 y/o? Would you tell them intimate details of your romantic and sex life?” Because atp that seems like the only thing that will snap her out of this.

[@ginbug7061]

And don’t even get me started abt the story on how they met. In what world does a private sit down lunch with Colleen out of character “make up” for Jojo missing a party where Colleen was in character as Miranda? Wouldn’t a much more appropriate compromise be free tickets to a live show, with meet and greet before? Definitely sounds like Colleen used the lunch as an opportunity to manipulate Jojo and exploit her for the heinous collabs she did. Absolutely repulsive.

[@tramsexual]

0p

[@heatherspenshaw]

Jojo has a group of young girls that she teaches dance so who knows

[@jennj6107]

​@@heatherspenshaw her group went from 7 members to 3, allegedly because of Jojo and Jess love-bombing. So they are basically manipulating young kids.

[@johnnylego807]

I personally think she will follow the exact same footsteps as James, Shane Dawson, and Colleen that she so readily defends. She will end up becoming one herself!

[@tegantalks9612]

I think Inabber made a really good point in his latest video when he said that Miranda Sings isn’t really a character, it’s just Colleen’s excuse to get away with saying things that are not acceptable and behaving in ways that aren’t acceptable.

[@omgmo1962]

Colleen has literally admitted that! I think it was an interview with one of the Jimmy late night hosts

[@adonahigutierrez1016]

Jojo has been manipulated by so many adults its sad how she thinks these behaviors are normal

[@lillikoi-]

I literally just watched the tiktok and holy shit i was infuriated for you. Why are people willing to defend literal PREDATORS?!

[@fallenbee]

I'm not surprised, she did a collab with James Charles recently.

[@lillikoi-]

@@fallenbeenot surprised one bit. i just feel like these KZbinrs are closing ranks for literal predators and i don’t get it at all.

[@fallenbee]

@@lillikoi- me either 😅

[@brenda4085]

Because unless they're having sex with minors they don't care. Many people don't even consider this being a predator.

[@kerri6011]

@@fallenbee Shane Dawson too

[@uninvincibleete]

"We became friends when I was 12 and I idolized her" is one hell of a defense against grooming lmao I feel like I'm waiting for someone to pop in from out of frame and go ¡attenzione pickpocket!

[@xoyouaremysunshinexo]

She doesn’t even realize how that sounds….

[@twistedwonderland1043]

@ultimatebaddie No, but if you are talking about grooming allegations and your defense is, "But I've known her since I was a child," it sounds really bad. Also, there is a difference between spending time with a minor and being "best friends" with a minor.

[@CherrrrBear]

NO but if you have her history and all of a sudden find out a 12 year old jojo was besties with a 28 year old Colleen?? What the fuck do you have in common with a 12 year old

[@stard9864]

You just answered the issue...JOJO. If you idolized her ..how do you think she would be able to manipulate a child? put two and two together you fool

[@stard9864]

@ultimatebaddie Common sense.. please use it. If youre a random adult (thats not a family member or an guardian ) and want to be best friends with some random kid at the park.....(in this case if you are 10 and you saw idk some popular tiktoker thats in their 20+ ...) then wants to be friends and spend time with you...doesnt that sound creepy? tell you about all their relationship drama etc...nothing right? that doesnt scream strange.

[@jomurphy65]

It’s taken me about 15 years to recognise just how bad things were with the guy I dated when I was 19 - he was 38. After things ended, I would always say he was my best friend etc. It can take time. I hope JoJo gets to a place where she can accept that even if her experience wasn’t “bad” it was likely still inappropriate, and part of a larger pattern of behaviour.

[@HayleyWalker-yw9tt]

Snap, took me until I had my own children to realise how wrong it was for him to chase after me he was 41 I was 18 😢

[@rluciano287]

I completely agree. Time will tell, and we'll be here when she figures it out. I'm sorry to you and everyone that have gone through confusing situations like this.

[@BatshtPassionate]

Yepp when I was a teen I thought old adults were my friends.. employers that gave me a job for reasons by their agenda and trying to get me closer and teach me things that weren't right. Glad I learned about my intuition and got out sooner than later. Too many nut cases out there taking advantage of young, ignorant minds

[@charlottegordon8959]

‘Maybe there be some boundaries theerree’ had me rolling 😂😂

[@belikereepicheep]

I don't think Jojo has dealt with her own grooming traumas or even realizes that's what happened to her. It's kind of like the child who was abused by their parents and grows up to defend the parents. They can't face what happened to them as a negative the impact it would have on their world view would be too hard.

[@milouiscool]

i agree. must also be the reason why she still loves and supports abby lee miller

[@WeiYinChan]

It’s crazy that Jojo rarely does anything problematic on her own but keeps defending irredeemable people around her. She needs to grow up and just accept that those grown ass adults who befriend her as a child were creeps

[@snake.puppet]

She's actually become very problematic lately.

[@grey6703]

@@snake.puppetreally?

[@Dells16]

​@@snake.puppet😮😮 I'm not on social media much, do tell

[@laurelclark8203]

​@@snake.puppetlike what??

[@pde8444]

She’s a victim herself in denial i believe

[@morganhatton8366]

the problem with jojo is she knows it’s wrong, and if it wasn’t colleen she would acknowledge it’s wrong. she wants to make any excuse she can for her friend but when she’s making the excuses she catches that she’s defending things she knows are wrong. it’s giving “i’m an advocate for victims”, “i believe all victims”……. ”until my friend is the perpetrator”

[@larissabrglum3856]

You can tell there's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on in the way she talks

[@TheWobblyQueen]

We still talking jojo or have I fallen back into kutcher & kulis chat.

[@fanime1]

​@@TheWobblyQueenit's funny how both of these events happened this week

[@karliestein4005]

I’m proud of you for continuing to fight for the countless kids out there that may be or have been targeted by adults such as Colleen. There are so many influencers out there that may be using kids and it’s time someone begins to try and protect the youth ❤

[@nabilk46]

JoJo is so out of touch she has no idea what its like to be a person who could be taken advantage of. This is shocking to watch, JoJo has absolutely no idea what colleen has been accused of nor is she aware of the gravity of the things Colleen has done. Man, imaging ruining your career for...... Miranda Sings.....

[@littlebird7590]

The sad thing is she's been groomed since a child to do agree inappropriate things, it's her reality that's being challenged. I feel sad for her.

[@DrBitchcraft.]

Its that she is the person that she has no idea about. Literally a victim of grooming but too much in denial

[@haruhwa]

i think this is happening because she is also a victim. the problem is that jojo has been groomed by EVERYONE in her life.

[@nabilk46]

Yeah I didnt consider how she had been groomed when i made my comment. She is a victim too but she has the money and resources to keep pushing herself towards denial instead of facing reality.@@haruhwa

[@philstrachan]

👏

[@Hushacry]

It’s so sad. She’s been surrounded by groomers for so long. Colleen, James Charles, Shane Dawson. It’s not going to be easy for her to realize none of that was normal or okay.

[@RT-dm4bi]

Let’s not forget her OG and biggest groomer who she STILL defends to this day…. Abby lee miller.

[@bordosense]

And now she is becoming one.

[@EmeraldEyes3713]

@@RT-dm4biSeriously, being a groomed show pony for her entire childhood definitely led her to this point in her life where her public friends are all extremely questionable, if not criminals. When you’re raised by questionable individuals, your worldview becomes questionable in turn, unless you do the very painful and difficult work of questioning those beliefs.

[@princessbeaniewiggle]

This is literally how abuse works. The abuser isolates the victim so they don't get to see what's normal, to the point where the victim essentially becomes blind to the abuse and think it's normal. When it's not.

[@LynZ1996]

As a 29 year old. Going to be 30 in 2 months. I can’t imagine befriending anyone younger than 25. I don’t know how this woman did it. It just isn’t right. Being friendly is one thing, but to considering yourself “friends” with a 12 year old when you’re 28 blows my Mind.

[@letsvibemusic]

I am so happy josh feels cared for. As someone else in recovery, I understand the struggle and shame behind that aspect. Not to mention the massive amounts of trauma he experienced from Colleen, Johnny, and the entire Internet. For him to still be here, sober, is a miracle. I wish the best for him. Thank you for speaking about him Adam.

[@vanniwalezka342]

my opinion is that Jojo is deep in denying because admitting that the situation is real would imply that she was groomed as well, and maybe she doesn't want to confront that. It's complicated it because at this point in time she may actually believe that all are just lies, and she's going to need a lot of therapy when she finally realizes how the adults that surrounded her truly took advantage of her. And for her is not just Colleen but like her hole situation is traumatic, having her childhood display and capitalize.

[@foreverNwonder]

Good point. If she accepts Colleen *is* this person… than she has to rationalize away how she herself was “befriended” at age 12. It’s easier to just keep it going and not stop to question whether these allegations have any merit.

[@foreverNwonder]

Also, tbh, I didn’t realize how inappropriate many “relationships” w/ adults I had as a young teen were until I was in my mid-to-late 20’s. I’m still struggling with blaming myself for getting into relationships with much older men as a teen. You feel like a fully grown person during that time. So much arrogance… it sickens me to think about how these literal predators preyed on me.

[@vanniwalezka342]

@@foreverNwonder unfortunately, I can relate.

[@annataymond9529]

She’s been surrounded by users and abusers her entire life, it’s not surprising she doesn’t understand how weird it all is. It’s all she knows.

[@Hcarslays07]

I thought it was weird that Jojo still supports Shane and James, but now Colleen too? I really don't think it's just an innocent mistake at this point.

[@theanxiousavocado]

Take a shot every time Adam says “JoJo, you’re so close to getting it” 😭😅

[@gemmamartin5157]

I honestly think that Jojo is a victim too but is so totally taken in and brainwashed that she thinks the disgusting things are 'normal' for her.

[@thephamilybusiness9485]

She went from her parents to Abby Lee Miller to Colleen and I can’t tell if I feel sick for her or if I’m mad that she refuses to see what is wrong. I am a victim of abuse and it is very easy to go in circles but she has been given so many facts and resources that it feels like she’s being purposefully ignorant.

[@anonivan]

^this. it's so hard to go in circles until you either realize how fucked up it is, or you stay in it for so long, it's almost impossible to break the cycle. i have only as recently as last year got out of that loop. i hope you are healing from what you've experienced

[@smrd2564]

Missed the part about from Collen to Collen's sister to James to Shane from what I've been reading C's sister had a very strange relationship with young Jojo and when she turned 18 boom

[@Dave102693]

@@smrd2564Rachel is being even weirder with Siwa now more than ever before.

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

I'm a survivor too, and many celebs will just defend their allies and friends knowing full well they are bad - like Danny Masterson's friends protecting him. The entertainment industry is a mess.

[@elizabethdillon2162]

Defending someone like Colleen after all the evidence is so stupid and career suicide 💀

[@ckbb7536]

Getting that validation after so long makes your emotions spill out. And most of the time that release is through tears. Raw emotional tears.

[@alyssa.simmons]

why are people still defending colleen after everything that’s come out? it’s actually BAFFLING that people can be so blind to the truth.

[@TDoThis]

To be real with you, I don’t even think they’re blind to it atp - the noise was loud enough to reach damn near every corner of the internet but it seems like some people just don’t give a shit about the truth and are waffling about bullshit now…

[@SilverDusk1]

Becausee they share the same nature. It takes a special kind of demented to still stick with her.

[@mariya_tortilla]

birds of a feather flock together.

[@MyDuckSaysFucc]

Yeah, there’s literally video evidence of her sexually abusing kids on stage. But people refuse to accept it. Disgusting.

[@juliek2603]

I’m just 😦 and 🤢 there is absolutely NO defense for Colleen, James Charles or Shane Dawson….and Jojo hangs around with all three of them!!!! So disgusted that people with a following of young kids are jumping up and down to protect predators!!!

[@Emzzz78]

Please take Shane out of this. He has never groomed a child. He made crude jokes when it was popular to do so. He broke down a few years ago and stepped back. He’s done nothing to hurt or harm children ever. With regards to Colleen and everyone digging into her past, that’s also unfair. What she did recently is enough. There is no need to go back to the early 2000’s and pick at content that was popular back then.

[@couchpot1298]

@@Emzzz78​​⁠​⁠Shane Dawson has kissed a minor fan on the lips, sexualised a child Jaden Smith, asked minor fans to twerk for him on video chats, asked minor fans to post photos of their 'o' faces and giving birth poses, called a 6 year old "sexy" and made an entire series called "hey millie" with the fine bros about an 8 year old child who was constantly being put in sexual situations and sexually harassed by older men in her life. Shane Dawson has done the same thing, he should not be left out of this whatsoever.

[@user-oh3wn4jg5x]

@@Emzzz78he also sexualized his little niece and did hella black face

[@BeanieBabyXx]

​@@Emzzz78damn I feel bad for all the kids in those videos he made where he told them to "shake their asses" and do other weirdly sexual things cause apparently they don't exist anymore.

[@Raven56613]

How many years ago was that? He's changed. James, Jojo and Colleen never did. Shane's gonna be a better parent than Colleen is. At least we know that Shane hasn't f*cked a minor. Colleen probably has and James definitely has

[@roseamelia6592]

The mental gymnastics that she had to do to try to come up with an answer to defend her is just so disappointing

[@Harajuku3000]

💯 She doesn't even see she has been groomed to be a defender for this woman smh

[@johnnylego807]

Because she’s a groomer herself. Birds of a Feather Flock together

[@allenfarm]

So Colleen was 28 being besties with a 12 year old?! I'm 26. I can't IMAGINE being friends with a 12 year old. Two years younger than Colleen was. The immaturity of 12/13/14/15 year olds is not something I could deal with daily as 'friends'. I can't even imagine being friends with someone who is 18 at 26 years old.

[@rayfitz4055]

I'm 21 and couldn't imagine being ‘besties’ with any person younger than 18/19 at least, like, being 28 and a bestie to a 12 yr old is unsettling at the least and just worsens when there is a power imbalance 😖.

[@jademaldonado9247]

I’m 26 years old and don’t even think I’d be friends with anyone younger than 23. The mindset is simply not the same, and the age difference creates a space where there is genuinely no way to relate to that person. The obsession Colleen has always had with young children is incredibly alarming. I get hugeeee huge huge pedophile vibes from Colleen. Grown adults do not personally befriend young children. They prey on them because they are easy, innocent, and vulnerable targets. Colleen is not a safe person for children to be around.

[@HPOL001]

The way Jojo is literally the most public display of Colleen grooming children is so wild to me seeing as how absolutely brainwashed and in denial she is at this point. Give her ten years maybe and she'll grow up and realize that she is the poster child for grooming and Colleen did it to her (if not even more intensely) than all the other children she spoke to as a full grown adult woman. She's not an exception to Colleen's behavior because they're "friends" because in reality she's actually just the standard of how Colleen behaves and treats children.

[@talonhammer]

Yeah I remember seeing a clip of them collabing and it was basically Weenies IRL. 😰

[@Maybe_Roo]

I wonder if as a child star there was a lot of grooming going on as she was growing up that it’s hard to differentiate between what is and isn’t grooming. I don’t mean like sexual grooming, but similar to what Colleen did.

[@morrighvnjvy]

adam and jojo are truly the perfect examples of educating yourself vs willful ignorance. i hope this changes for not only her sake, but her fanbase as well. the company she keeps is very telling and it’s sad that her environment growing up has allowed and encouraged it.

[@whatcanidooo]

Also good parents vs bad parents. Adams parents were very wary about Colleen where as Jojos mom actively pushed her towards adults like this her whole life

[@morrighvnjvy]

@@whatcanidooo absolutely accurate. a product of their environment. i think that’s why i’m struggling with all the jojo backlash because what she said was awful but then again..she’s a victim too, she just doesn’t realize it yet. it’s very sad.

[@jessicastacey9058]

@@whatcanidoooso wary they took him to meet up with her, buy mech and tickets for her shows 🤔

[@whatcanidooo]

@@jessicastacey9058 he’s talked about how they were cautious when he actually met up with her and started voicing concerns when they got more info on what was going on. They were doing their best and it was a hell of a lot better than Jojo’s parents

[@jessicastacey9058]

@@whatcanidooo are you kidding - JoJo has achieved everything she set out to achieve - fame, fortune, success, happiness and the full support of everyone to come out and be accepted - she has referred to her relationship with Colleen & Rachel for years as being just like sisters, she can say, do and be who she likes around them - I think we should spend our time worrying about kids being abused & killed, women & men suffering domestic violence, the horrific abuse of animals - I don’t know, maybe even throw some original comedy in there - all KZbin seems to be is a vitriolic bit h fest - long gone are the days of Grace Helbig, Miranda Sings, Lily Singh, Hannah Hart, Mamrie Hart and the rest. Trust me JoJo will be perfectly fine, worry more and do more for things in your community that you can change 👍

[@QuestionableArt444]

Not to take away AT ALL from the seriousness of her defending Colleen, but I am in shock that she’s actually saying that Miranda Sings has “changed the internet” and is this big valuable character to the online community…MIRANDA?? The character making “creepy uncle” jokes and the laziest grossest innuendos as “comedy”??? Even if Colleen hadn’t done all the illegal horrendous stuff, I’d be shocked that anyone implies that her comedy is monumental in this way

[@Herewearenowentertainus]

I find her content to have zero value.

[@aliciawistrand2014]

Josh seems very empathetic. And my heart aches for him. He suffered in silence for so long because of what Colleen was doing to him. I hope he can heal now. 😢

[@strawburri420]

the fact there were LITERAL SCREENSHOTS of colleen being creepy towards you and other fans who were also minors. the fact jojo had the audacity to defend her "bEsTiE" is sickening. i'm anticipating the day colleen goes to court for her disgusting actions.

[@whatever7959]

The only way it makes sense is if she's stayed willfully ignorant. It's nuts how much evidence has been documented and shared and to brush it off as "lies" and "cancel culture" is flat out insulting. Given she associates with James Charles though, it doesn't seem like the knowledge would deter her anyway.

[@m0L3ify]

If JoJo was also groomed as a child - by anyone - she's going to see it as normal behavior. It might not be audacity so much as a warning sign about JoJo's own childhood.

[@strawburri420]

@@m0L3ify in all honesty tho, i do hope she cuts off ties with those trying to take advantage of her and gets therapy. i wish the best for her

[@m0L3ify]

@@strawburri420 same

[@Aniram789]

She pretty much went from being groomed to being an enabler. That's a sad pipeline. I hope she realises how messed up all of this really is and takes some time to address her own experiences.

[@j-rodthelibrarykid1166]

What if she's one of them.... snitching on herself cuz no one defends ppl like that without being a weirdo themselves...

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

This, I think, is a perfect case of how abuse is cyclical. We have someone who was systematically violated on a boundaries level as a kid now cozying up to people who do those things while allegedly beginning to engage in the same toxic behaviours as young as 20.

[@MuzikFreak161]

Jojo has literally aligned herself with the holy trinity of people to stay tf away from

[@ThatKensieGirl]

I cannot stand Jojo. With her defending and excusing Colleen I feel it’s only a matter of time until we hear what she’s done. She spent a good portion of time this year pretending to be pregnant and it pissed me off. She’s old enough to know better than that.

[@twocathome399]

YESS the pregnancy thing was so damn annoying i couldnt imagine what someone going through infertility must’ve felt with her doing that as a joke.. i’ve always found her annoying

[@cuddlingmycat29]

​@@twocathome399if you get easily offended over something out of your control it's really lame, infertility isn't even that bad, there's adoption etc nowadays ☠️ and we're overpopulated anyway

[@twocathome399]

@@cuddlingmycat29 i wasn’t offended 🤦🏻‍♀️ i was just saying it was stupid and how people who DO have a lot of emotions tied to infertility must feel. infertility isn’t that bad to you but it is to people who want to be parents

[@alleylewis7150]

⁠@@cuddlingmycat29 Women in infertile relationships, in particular, frequently face violence, divorce, social stigma, emotional stress, sadness, anxiety, and low self-esteem due to infertility, which has substantial negative societal effects on life. I personally have made the decision to not have kids, but that doesn’t mean I should downplay the risk, emotions, and trauma that is associated with miscarriages/infertility. Please be more empathetic

[@ThatKensieGirl]

@@twocathome399 as someone who is dealing with infertility struggles, it was absolutely sickening. Every month seeing that negative test and then having Jojo pretending for attention shoved in my face everywhere I looked… enraging doesn’t cover it.

[@tanithschneider3051]

I’m really impressed with Josh. He’s a decent guy who got caught up in the whirlwind of Colleen’s rise to fame. He paid the price, apologized and is trying to be better and grow.

[@cocosfilms]

i’ve always sort of given her the benefit of the doubt whenever she’s worked with predators (like shane dawson, colleen, james charles) because i know she’s been groomed by these people. BUT for her to deny and minimise someone’s SA experience? to call them liars? absolutely disgusting and imo it’s unforgivable. i honestly hope she gets help. she needs a lot of therapy so she can realise that she too is a victim of these people

[@xylo795]

Amen 👏

[@spaceunicorn6000]

I feel really bad for Jojo. You can tell she's clinging on so hard, trying to be a loyal friend to someone who doesn't deserve it.

[@MissAllspice]

I don’t feel bad, she’s grown. You know when it’s time to cut someone off or distance yourself. She’s in denial and being ignorant and I don’t believe she’s done a lick of research about the allegations, which is why she’s stumbling so hard through thisz

[@DanielleVlog365]

Nah, she is profiting off of pushing these people onto more kids. She's turning around and continuing a cycle of child endangerment.

[@blakewhite3131]

I mean yeah but the responsibility for an adult to not condone child predators to their child audience is more important

[@horroradorer]

She knows exactly what she’s doing by defending predators. Otherwise she wouldn’t make excuses for Shane Dawson and James Charles too.

[@MissAllspice]

@@Amarata67 I’m saying it about a person who is defending a groomer. Especially someone whose platform is directly targeted towards children. Just because someone’s a victim of grooming doesn’t mean they can’t and shouldn’t be held accountable for conscious decisions they’re making as an adult. I was a victim of grooming too and you don’t see me out here defending predators. My main point was that she doesn’t come across as having actually taken the time to understand the allegations and speaking on it, which is doing more harm than good.

[@poetryclub1117]

i swear, the legitimate only reason people hate you is because you keep it honest and you keep it real 100% of the time and they cannot handle it at all.

[@littlekitsune1]

"She and her family have always been kind to me." Honey, that's cuz she's a groomer. That's the point.

[@Dave102693]

The Ballingers are groomers

[@tasmeenbaker9912]

Most people don't automatically start off mean or bad when you first meet them. I feel like every one puts the nice filter on when you first meet them.

[@Emzzz78]

@@Dave102693right? I’m shocked the whole Trent thing didn’t blow up like it should have. He was literally being gross with a minor female. Probably many more too!

[@isabellacani0102]

This hurts my heart so bad knowing how much Jojo has been gaslighted, abused and groomed since she was a child she genuinely sees nothing wrong

[@HannahRose19960]

Yeah she is really brainwashed stumbling so much which means she is just making up answers

[@NinjaMaxHaven13]

If Jojo's mom were a normal parent, she would have protected Jojo from all the creeps. Jojo needs major therapy

[@andyboom2004]

Oh. My. God. JoJo Siwa literally is like "This adult woman wanted to hang out with 11 year Olds, which is completely normal!"

[@maddirachael6362]

“I met her when I was 12” BONK 😭

[@Atan55555]

BONK

[@Caitlyn9]

Oof, I have mixed feelings. This take is total career suicide for her but simultaneously she is a victim of Colleen and totally in the thick of her grooming/ abuse. This is a hard one.

[@jademaldonado9247]

She’s still a piece of shit though for invalidating everyone else’s experience with the pedophilic Miranda. Denial or not, you don’t speak for others. She should be speaking on her own personal opinions of Colleen’s. Not invalidating those who Colleen has sexually abused and groomed. Jojo is a TWENTY year old grown adult woman. She’s just an immature piece of shit, it doesn’t mean she shouldn’t know right from wrong yet. She is a grown adult woman. Not a child.

[@astralove8179]

Also she has always been around people taking advantage of her I don't think she knows this stuff is bad because it means knowing bad things happened her that shouldn't of

[@annataymond9529]

Its just so sad all around.

[@AikoFox]

I'm not surprised that JOJO is like this. Whats most disturbing to me is the influence she has on her very young audience being such a huge predator protector of numerous people. That is so damn scary.

[@Lysssa-ex7oc]

It actually hurts listening to her try to defend all her predator friends, on one hand I definitely side eye her for it and on the other I kinda feel bad

[@walkingthroughthewaves]

As someone studying psychology, this interview FASCINATES me. I could write at least two full papers about it. It goes without saying that this speaks VOLUMES about Jojo. Another commenter said that perhaps Jojo acknowledging Colleen's grooming behavior would mean that Jojo would have to confront that she herself was groomed. Something to keep in mind for sure. I find myself feeling conflicted over all this-- on one hand, I feel bad for Jojo. She's been in the public eye from SUCH a young age, and she had undoubtedly been taken advantage of by pretty much every adult in her vicinity for most of her formative years. I believe she is one of Colleen's victims. However, as she comes into adulthood, it is harder to excuse her behavior, especially when she has such a young audience that she can/will influence. At the same time, I resent the idea that any timeline should be put on people realizing that something they went through wasn't okay. It's an interesting mental tug-of-war for sure. A few specific things stand out to me through this video and this situation in general: - "You were able to do things years ago that were okay, and now that we've grown and we've matured we've realized that they're not okay." ---- Outside of the whole Colleen situation, I think this says something about Jojo. These things were never okay. This is her justifying things Colleen used to joke about. She's doubling down on awful shit just to keep Colleen out of the line of fire. - "I see that... this is a sensitive subject..." ---- Yes. Yes, grooming is a sensitive subject. This is an INSANE way to dance around the topic. It feels detached as hell, to a disturbing level-- perhaps partly because she is trying to distance herself from a situation that she's also experienced to a degree, and maybe partly because she's working overtime to defend someone who doesn't deserve defending. - The whole "real grooming" comment ---- This is a horrific thing to say and I won't expand on that. Come on now. It also makes me suspect that Colleen could be pushing an "I mean, there's what I did, and then there's REAL GROOMING" narrative to her remaining inner circle. Like, "Sure, what I did was kinda weird. But it's not REAL grooming. I wasn't getting 'gratification' from it." - The OBSCENE amount of stuttering, pauses, restructuring of sentences mid-speaking them, avoidance of the questions ---- As Adam stated multiple times, Jojo is VERY VERY VERY VERY media-trained. All the Dance Moms girls were, and Jojo probably even more so since she's remained very much in the public eye due to her presence on KZbin and her singing career. That makes her pausing and speech irregularities a crazy indicator of what kind of mental gymnastics she's doing in real time. She's likely given a lot of thought to this topic (though not very good thought, considering what side of the fence she's ended up on), and yet the line of questions threw her so badly that her brain couldn't even process her rationalization when attempting to speak it out loud. The blind trust she is putting in someone who *admittedly* distributed another person's nudes, to her friends, close fans, and MINORS, is nuts. She must know at some level that none of this is lies. She wouldn't struggle so badly to answer such simple questions otherwise. - "A lot of it is based on lies" ---- This says so much about how Colleen's inner circles must be functioning right now. I don't know how ANY human being could look at one piece of evidence in this situation and say that Colleen was in the right or that it's all lies, let alone when there are too many pieces of evidence to count. REAL evidence, like videos and screenshots confirmed by multiple people. Not one person who's repeated the whole "it's all lies" thing has been able to identify WHAT specifically has been lied about and HOW the lie was perpetuated. Invalidating all of the victims like this is disgusting. Colleen has to be doing some insane damage control with the people still remaining by her side. I don't see how anyone could defend her, even if they previously loved/still love her. You can love someone and they can still be in the wrong. - The fact that Jojo is publicly friends with who I would consider the big three controversial KZbinrs of this generation of the internet (and they're all groomers lol) ---- This speaks to both the personalities of these KZbinrs (James Charles, Shane Dawson, and Colleen Ballinger all exhibiting EXCEPTIONALLY inappropriate behavior with fans and underaged people in general, so it makes sense they would seek out a young person with a platform to capitalize on the weirdly close relationship they could form with them) and to Jojo/how her upbringing may have impacted her (seeking out adult 'role models' who she looks up to who can take her under their wing, similarly to how Abby did). The combination of these creepy-ass KZbinrs and Jojo automatically being more 'tolerant' to a certain dynamic with adults has led to her being, for lack of a better word, brainwashed.

[@Carriekiedis]

I’m not studying anything and I could write at least two full papers 😮it’s really scary that these people are all aimed at kids !!

[@shaniavázquez]

Such a great analysis of the situation 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@sandelion415]

Listening to jojo talk about this is like watching a blindfolded person take a jog around the edge of a pool. They know the pool is there, they’re avoiding it, but it’s only a matter of time before they take the plunge

[@tessmiller7943]

Im in love with this simile

[@unknown_8555]

jojo is the type of person to gaslight you.

[@gratismahlzeit]

She's kinda gaslighting herself.

[@ripi-si3102]

I feel sad for her. She's not living in reality. She's been groomed by every person in her life. When she has her own kids it'll hit her. I dissociated most of my life, when I had my daughter I went into a massive depression because it made me look back on it all and realize. She knows but she can't admit it yet. She should have just kept quiet.

[@SimonkaShow]

Isn't it strange the only person Defending her is a child that was groomed by her... also Josh stopped talking to Jojo post divorce bc she was a minor and once removed from Colleen's toxicity came back to his senses

[@justpeachy97]

Poor Jojo, I genuinely feel sorry for her. She is beyond brainwashed and has been since a child. Her mom stood by and let her be abused for fame, and has never had her best interest at heart. So of course she doesn't know any better and doesn't see Colleen's behavior as harmful. I honestly feel bad for her and hope she eventually gets therapy and realizes how she still is letting herself be used for fame to this day.

[@Organized_Chaos]

Her mom not just stood by and let her be abused, but thrust her into it. Groomed her for stardom since toddlerhood, started with bleaching her hair at age 2. She is not at a point where she recognizes that any of that was wrong/how abnormal her upbringing really was.. I do feel sorry for her also, and agree about therapy.

[@justpeachy97]

​@Organized_Chaos that is sooo heartbreaking 😢

[@pinkfeet518]

i also think her publicly defending abby lee speaks volumes as well. it seems like she doesn’t want to talk bad on anybody, even if they are in the wrong. she’s been manipulated since a child and i hope people give her some grace. she is a victim of grooming and her defending colleen proved the manipulation tactics worked.

[@1specified]

Howie literally gave her an out too; "we don't have to talk about it". All she had to say was "yeah, let's not" and it likely would have moved forward, but she just had to not only talk about it, but actively become accusatory.

[@laureng2820]

She gives me a huge ICK. Not only has she invalidated the trauma that the girls from dance moms had to endure, she is now defending a groomer. She is also just very annoying to be honest

[@screwyou1199]

I think she’s just in denial and doesn’t want to face the fact that what she went through wasn’t right, cause it’s easier to pretend you’re okay with it than realize everything you’ve thought was okay wasn’t really what it was.

[@sewerwat3r]

@@screwyou1199she could be in denial but are we forgetting that she is 20 years old now? Time for miss Siwa to grow up. She seems to be ignoring the fact Colleen admitted to sending minors Trisha’s nudes, and Jojo is still friends with James.

[@vibez4me]

I have never and will never allow my children to watch jojo siwa. I remember when my daughter first became aware of her existence. From the first moment I watched 1 show with her in it I was like no, same with Caillou. She was always a loud annoying child and I didn't want my daughter to mirror her.

[@screwyou1199]

@@sewerwat3r I just think it’s clear Colleen’s grooming was successful. It’s strange that she isn’t questioning things more with everything that’s been admitted, and I imagine she will in time, but at the moment it’s clear this young woman isn’t ready to face it all. Her words do carry weight though, and she should be more responsible with the false info she’s spreading,

[@andin916]

@@screwyou1199they also take a vow of silence 🤫 in Hollywood not to ever speak of what they see or what’s wrong, which is probably why all of these celebrities are defending their creepy friends.

[@ava4h4a4]

her sitting there just stuttering is actually the funniest thing ever

[@donnapecoraro3126]

12. she was 12. as long as C found people to laugh at her lame innuendo she didn’t care if they were 12, she had her audience. and what a great promoter jo jo is, that was a very profitable friendship.

[@pleinairlizfair]

“How do you floor the most media-trained child of all time? That’s how hard it is to defend Colleen Ballinger right now.” - Adam, this is the perfect intro quote for someone to write the next hit piece on Colleen!

[@shanel4294]

She really is the most media-trained child of all time, ever since she was a child she’s been trained for the media 😭

[@alexiszimmer]

She is still friends with James Charles. Not surprised she defended Colleen. Also, I hope they talk about this on the H3 podcast.

[@mirrortarget5729]

I love the fact that Adam hasn't memorized the lyrics to Toxic Gossip Train; it shows how unbothered he is by Colleen's shenanigans

[@avasilvestre3844]

It’s crazy to me how she gained so much fame and money at such a young age and now she’s ruining her career by getting into so many scandals and now speaking out in support of Colleen. You’d think she would be smarter with her choices or at least hire someone to look over these kinds of decisions Edit: not blaming JoJo entirely, I know Colleen grasped onto JoJo and groomed her, just saying she’s old enough now to change her opinion and do some research

[@buttercup86900]

Colleen made JoJo believe that she was innocent and gained JoJo's trust

[@nailinthefashion]

She legitimately follows the dollar lol if Adam was the richer one she'd advocate for him instead. LWF she just collabed with James Charlatan

[@littleekellyy]

are we really surprised? she was hanging out with shane just a while ago and still publicly supporting james charles. also tana.

[@buttercup86900]

Also, in one of Colleen's videos, i have seen Colleen asking JoJo (who was 13) “Have you ever taken the pants off and seen what's inside?" Even Google confirms that this is true. People have been calling out Colleen years ago but now it has all came into light more. JoJo was groomed by Colleen and many adults when she was a child and teenager

[@paulafamularo5001]

JoJo, is a has been! Totally irrelevant.

[@lilyhagen]

The way my jaw DROPPED after her saying all of that... surprised yet not at the same time

[@TheWobblyQueen]

The quote from Colleen saying she wanted to love on the dance mom kids “ not like creepy babysitter “ and watching this interview realising she actually had access to them is 🤢

[@itsolkingcol]

I'm so glad you've been supporting Josh. I bet it is such an enormous relief. He was victimized by colleen & then not believed as a man in a relationship with a woman who was seen as someone who could do no wrong. That must have been really scary, women endure that kind of fear constantly every day. It definitely must be a unique experience to be the man who isnt believed, because sadly women can do these things too, I have seen the evil in my own mother. No one believes a woman could be capable of being so evil when they don't witness it, it's an unfortunate truth. He is probably so thankful for your patience & understanding surrounding his responses, and must have been really scared to speak on all of this just like you were. Thank you both for your bravery even if you don't see this.

[@Pandaa326]

I’m living for the respect/support Josh and Adam have built for each other. People tried to silence both but now they know they will not be ignored.

[@CWazBroadwayBandGeek]

What the hell are people sticking their necks out, protecting a predator….when Colleen would certainly not protect them if they were in her shoes? And it’s rather sad to see Jojo protecting her own groomer because she doesn’t even realized she was probably groomed by Colleen as well.

[@toothcruncher]

that’s what grooming does. it makes you stick your neck out for your groomer to protect them no matter what detriment you might suffer over it. the colleen situation is such a good example of grooming, not for sexual gratification, but rather for undying adoration, love, support, and protection

[@rhflop]

Reminder: Jojo is friends with basically anyone you can call a shit person. She's friends with Shane and James, STILL. Are we even surprised atp

[@deadsetondreams1988]

I literally found that out BECAUSE Adam posted this video. I didn't even know she was friends with those awful "people."

[@skylarjohnson7779]

She’s still friends with her own abuser.