Jordan Peterson - Why Hierarchies are Necessary

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[@agrxdrowflow958]

Kids playing on a playground organize themselves into hierarchies in 10 seconds.

[@Simte]

Agrx Drowflow It's to be expected when they have been taught into.

[@josshlegg8647]

Simte Who teaches them?

[@agrxdrowflow958]

Just watch kids. SOMEBODY always organizes it. What are the rules? What's the setting? What roles are they going to play? No rules, no setting, no cooperation, no point, no fun.

[@skipeveryday7282]

Simte who taught them that????

[@agrxdrowflow958]

You can't teach this stuff. It's deeply ingrained just like the Doc said. The alpha of every species (usually a female) organizes the heard/pack/family/flock/murder/etc... And without the alpha doing her job, the heard/pack/flock/murder dies off. There really is no debate about this in the scientific community. To think otherwise is just projecting your own arbitrary social beliefs onto nature.

[@Lev-The-King]

"WRONG" I love it when he says that the way he does.

[@koneezy]

Lev he reminds me of Bill Hicks the way he says this.

[@francescos7361]

Maslow hierarchies are not great and also Little and not dumb but we ahould elimit

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@UreiMiseinen]

Hierarchy is important, but I believe in hierarchy by merit rather than hierarchy by birth systems like the Indian caste.

[@iraniandude2899]

IDW NYA! That's the original leftist perversion, distributing power by birth rights is mucvh more efficient because every identifiable human trait is hereditary, and starting from the scratch every time will be extremely wasteful with our incredibly limited resources. Furthermore dysfunction always fails, so there is no need to break up a functioning system just so we can prevent potential dysfunction, almost all bad kings in history were killed off and not a single hitler or stalin was produced, that's because we're better off betting on an aristocrat than on a shoe maker's son when it comes to ruling. Indian cast system is not about excluding as much as it is but including the right kind of people in the right kind of in group so they can perform the right kinds of tasks. So an aristocracy with a limited mobility based on merit as has always been the natural organizational method of people is the preferred way.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

That is Peterson’s view of hierarchies. Hierarchies are inevitable, so all we can do is make sure that the hierarchy is based on merit rather than power.

[@UreiMiseinen]

Somehow incidents of certain higher caste Indian men raping lower caste Indian women doesn't sound like getting the right person for the right task. Also in the event of a total war, the caste system ain't gonna help much as everyone is in the crosshairs of the enemy regardless whether you are a Brahmin or Dalit.

[@randwhitney6989]

I think I see your point - i believe our system (originally a republic) was as close as anyone has devised but, as Jordan said, it has been taken over by corruption. My thinking is we have been asleep and, as a people let this all happen. Cicero of Ancient Rome said it the best, “...give them circus (distractions) and bread (rare emergent need) and they are yours”.

[@dionysus90]

IranianDude - Aristoracy gave us WW1. There are also the issues of corruption, class isolation and inbreeding. Not to mention social mobility as an engine of human progress. If the caste system is that good - then why is 10% of India wealthy beyond imagination with the other 90% living in conditions worse than sub-saharan Africa. Also I don't exaclty envy the man that has to go to war because two cousins couldn't agree on who should get to fuck the third cousin.

[@coryc.9709]

I've lived as a feral anarchist on communes and activist camps and noted how egalitarian building and art projects with no identified leader tend to be of poor quality because everybody's ideas are considered all the time. The community needs to voice their opinion in the planning phase but a hierarchy based on technical or organisational skill needs to form and somebody has to be accountable. That doesn't mean the lead carpenter is always in charge and should assume control of as many hierarchies as possible. It means when there's a disagreement about how something should be done someone has the last word because they are the one who has to qualify or fix the mistakes. The steel workers union is a prime example of healthy competency hierarchy. The senior person gets the first call and has the opportunity to assume the roll of foreman, but can pass. In this way it rotates mostly among those with the most on site experience. You're not going to be an asshole because you probably won't be the boss on the next project.

[@objectivereality1392]

I think you've also described the Biblical description of of the role of men and women in the home.... Egalitarian-- Equal in the eyes of God-- but when a decision needs to be made, the man's role is to lead the making of that decision. Not because he's superior, but because all groups need leadership, and God chose men for that role.

[@TheAxeaman]

That’s why Marxism isn’t egalitarian. Or other leftist theories.

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@BitesizedPhilosophy]

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[@daisy8284]

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[@valeriea8224]

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[@user-fv3dq3dq7d]

I think there's an error in the transcription at 3:08 It must be somethint like 'The hierarchy can re_______ ' Can you correct that? I cannot understand that bit in this video. Thanks

[@beastmodefiazco1048]

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[@dackjaniels878]

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[@thumbliner]

I listen to Dr. Peterson with a dictionary in one hand, and The Book of Uncommonly Used Idioms in the other.

[@sergiomissaglia6380]

Learn word, learn them all, all the nuances means also the range of imagination you can express through your thought

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@franklinfalco9069]

We need to acknowledge how people in the same hierarchical group treat each other, not just those in different ones.

[@anthonytaylor3219]

JBP seems to speak with such clarity and knowledge that he makes complex issues sound simple, if you take a common sensical stance. A wise wise man!

[@afcans7301]

@Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd WHAT TF HE LEGIT JUST DID ARE U DUMB

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@williamweimian]

“What it has always been” and “what it should be” and “what it can be” are very different…

[@cutecats1368]

Peterson is the classical social darwinist. I have no clue why he makes videos over Christianity too when nature is his only true god.

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@aidenmarshall6478]

I’m a (male) teenager who is currently going to a private liberal arts/classical school and wow. It’s so interesting to see how all the men have a sort of pecking order. From my experience, it is mostly dependent on physical attributes, intelligence, confidence, and work ethic/discipline. Super interesting.

[@franklinfalco9069]

Families are like mini hierarchies.

[@franklinfalco9069]

Cooperation is just as important in hierarchical organizations as it is in non-hierarchical ones.

[@Fit_Philosopher]

I like that he acknowledges the potential pitfalls on both the left and right of Western society in America. Those who only point the finger in one direction doom society. They have their blinders on. Somewhere in the middle, Aristotle might say, is where the best society needs to be to function at its best.

[@NA-bw6pf]

Listening to him then looking at the comments section makes me sad.

[@vivalaresistance2841]

Very disheartening...

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@galaxxy09]

When JP compares things to trees, you know its serious!

[@AkashianRecords]

Damn straight. Without power distribution, no one can win, but everyone loses. With hierachies, people can have goals and great outcomes with some expenses as nothing comes free.

[@cutecats1368]

Hierachy in nature is only there to get more than one women, look at hierarchical species like chimps and macaces and you will quickly understand the principle. There are species which can do quiet well without power distribution, without loosing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2m7i5lripWLoJo

[@mephistopheles9644]

@D. Engelbrecht Without order, nothing can exist-without chaos, nothing can evolve. The mere fact that we have evolved to this state is a testament to that.

[@TheAxeaman]

What does that even mean?

[@AkashianRecords]

​@@TheAxeaman It means that if you don't have a structure for people to follow, no one has anything to follow, which would drive the world into anarchy. The cost of having a structure is that some people can't fit within it, which causes them to naturally want a reformed society. In other words, people are blind and need a guide to help them see a path

[@TheAxeaman]

@@AkashianRecords Oh like vanguardism?

[@pixkid2662]

Hierarchies should be limited not erased. Have the benifits of hierarchies and remove the negatives. That's what the government should.

[@daisy8284]

JP is a treasure. Channel owner, thank you for your uploads and the work that goes into securing permission.

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@john1107]

Always admired Dr. Peterson's ability to view a phenomena such as a Hierarchy from both the right and the left AND being able to live with the inherent tension that such a dualistic perception produces.

[@AlphaKnight70]

"You can't just demolish the hierarchies in the name of some equality of outcome let's say because you blow out the future you leave people aimless and you destroy the very institutions that allow people to make competent progress in the world."

[@slickedge2340]

Literally what’s happening right now I’m America 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@deeh1432]

It is not up to man to give people aim. Those are the top are not gods.

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@thebranchoftheintellect337]

Role allocation is distinct from hierarchical imposition and the pathologising of hierarchies. The purposes and effects of role allocation, if the mutual benefit, do not, by default, necessitate the disproportionality of resources or 'power'; leaders, that may change depending on the demands present, are erected on behalf of the community and its benefit and does not necessarily have to become pathological or produce socio-economic disproportionality -- This is a symptom money, I currently hypothesise. Role allocation occurs by recognition of a common imperative; pathological expressions of a hierarchy are demarcated by the >> imposition of roles (via power) for a discreet benefit. Primordial examples of 'hierarchy' are not the same as modern expressions: "The egalitarianism typical of human hunters and gatherers is never total but is striking when viewed in an evolutionary context. One of humanity's two closest primate relatives, chimpanzees, are anything but egalitarian, forming themselves into hierarchies that are often dominated by an alpha male. So great is the contrast with human hunter-gatherers that it is widely argued by palaeoanthropologists that resistance to being dominated was a key factor driving the evolutionary emergence of human consciousness, language, kinship and social organization" "...egalitarianism was one of several central characteristics of nomadic hunting and gathering societies because mobility requires minimization of material possessions throughout a population. Therefore, no surplus of resources can be accumulated by any single member. " [Source: Wiki] So, though they may have "an eternal nature", as Peterson espouses, there are actually distinct types of hierarchies, distinguished by their origin and effect. Let's not pretend that post-neolithic revolution, into modernity, we have non-pathological political hierarchies; we are so saturated with pathological hierarchies we don't know what a potentially 'sane' or 'intelligent' one may look like. Additionally, I notice other commenters equalising all examples of a hierarchy. This is a crucial error. "Children form hierarchies"...Don't be absurd! They embody roles and organise to form 'games'. They are organically allocated. Then the game changes, and so do the roles and the rules. Not all hierarchies are the same. And they are most certainly not, by default, necessary, sane or intelligent >> all of the time. Edit: The 'voice of the left' is abjectly insufficient at truly addressing the widespread global issue of pathological hierarchies. A voice was never and will never be enough. It's simply an intellectual cavity and political abstraction that has zero interventional capacity.

[@valonarious5399]

I can see what your saying, but Jordan Peterson said there were more than one type of hierarchy. Also, role allocation is the goal of schools to help children get into the type of job they want to be in. In your last paragraph where "...a voice will never be enough..." I disagree with you because in a US government, it's not just one voice trying to change, it's a plethora of voices to try and correct corruption. Even a left-winged politician, that voice of reason, can get elected and help the impoverished people and corruption in the white house.

[@diannalamantia1702]

Well, we know corruption occurs ubiquitously. Illinois you s still struggling with leftist corruption and 30 years ago, it was right leaning power and corruption. Interestingly, the years of right leadership were more organized and productive over all, though laced with that corruption. The current left leadership, also cloaked with a certain amount of corruption (I see a great deal of fraud growing unabated in systems meant to help the greatest in need), is much less organized and their implemented ideas have created a landscape where upper middle class cannot afford to fund the systems and are choosing to move to adjacent states. I am grateful to JP for making clear just what is happened my here.

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@deeh1432]

How about we make value of life from simply living it instead of competing with each other for spoils. He can talk like this because the hierarchy is favoring him. Would he have the same thought process if it was doing him a disservice?

[@zombieboy937]

Competition is fun. And resources are limited.

[@SocialBandit555]

Dee H, you are absolutely right in criticising this man! People deserve rights inherently, we exist in this moment with the capacity to reason, it is a beautiful gift that shouldn't be squandered on mindless competition for territorial or hierarchical dominance. We, unlike the other animals this guy often refers to actually have self-awareness and that is the first step to changing our species for the better! - The key is embracing this aware/conscious side over our egocentric/self-orientated side, we essentially have a dual nature and must transcend our egocentric side to build up a new and better world. 🙏✊

[@Stafus]

@@zombieboy937 peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@Laurenfroment]

4:10 hierarchies mean some people inherently deserve more just because? Genetic lotteries can reward recipients without punishing everyone else in the process.

[@afcans7301]

whats the point of working hard if not for your your offspring family and friends. Plus I doubt that some people are born now and receive power and respect like kings and queens how ever many thousands of years ago. what you receive now is wealth not a imbalance in power.

[@Yetipfote]

@@afcans7301 money = power

[@Yetipfote]

@Lauren that's why we must become moral, virtuous and responsible beings to make life good for us and others. Smart egoism.

[@Stafus]

@@afcans7301 peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@ernestlagasse2323]

HOW WOULD WE KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG IF WE NEVER KNEW RIGHT FROM WRONG… I LOVE THIS SEGMENT

[@CarlosBeo]

Man what day is it? Anyone else binge-watching Jordan Peterson videos?

[@psphacker57]

Thank you for posting all these diverse people bite-sized philosophy! I’m learning so much from all these different people you introduce us to!

[@mmendi1114]

finally I understand the left and right...at least i percieve i do

[@bigbunny80]

I adore this man!

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@Robinson8491]

Good point

[@Oresehpe]

Imagining new and more fair hierarchal systems is totally not out of the question

[@avalonjustin]

Thanks to JP I worked and saved enough money to put my lobster through college.

[@JuanTorres-kz2pg]

Im getting your book sir it’s drawing my attention

[@MLlesports]

Good for you

[@Stafus]

peterson is lying. natural "hierarchies" of competence are () shaped, few at the top and bottom and the majority in the middle, as is demonstrated by the IQ bell curve. pyramid hierarchy /\ few at the top with the majority at the bottom, is a construct of feudalism/capitalism. the reason the left argue against capitalist hierarchy is because it puts too many people at the bottom that don't deserve to be there. peterson and all capitalists know that their artificial system only works if the servants are in abundance.

[@Xx_SupremeNix_xX]

Very nice 👍

[@markfreedman2470]

Not bad! Great analysis.

[@francescos7361]

Is not great Maslow needs

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@heartminer5487]

I have always wondered why the Chinese being students of Marxism persisted on and managed to prosper on its millennial old social hierarchy system as if Marxism did nothing in shaping it's modern political structure

[@p0st-nutclarity]

Welcome back King, OG of JP Clips

[@kellyfontes7757]

In the US there is not clumping at the bottom, only those who are willing to stay at the bottom

[@csingh5128]

Is there a video where he talks about or provides examples of how this plays out in real life (the part of the left keeping the hierarchy in check and the right keeping the hierarchy)?

[@franklinfalco9069]

For examples of hierarchies in nature read Arthur Koestler's "The Ghost in the Machine.

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@magnusangeltveit7252]

We dont need judgment to find meaning in life. In fact, truly being of service demands a lack of judgment. You can argue for your limitations, but it really isnt necessary.

[@Searey07]

Really? So how do you choose what to be of service to? The homeless person or the stick in the road about to be run over by a car? Without hierarchy, the stick gets as much value as the person.

[@TerryHofman]

A straightforward, well articulated view. I wish the media could get a hold of this and broadcast to the masses.

[@TerryHofman]

Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd Not here, it’s only a short clip/interview. You’ll have to delve into some of his publications, or even his lectures on KZbin and his books with references.

[@Stafus]

peterson is trying to fool people by conflating natural hierarchy with socially constructed ARTIFICIAL CAPITALIST HIERARCHY. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve () with few at the top and bottom and the MAJORITY in the middle. eg. IQ bell curve. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact. /\ = artificial () = natural. peterson is a right wing liar.

[@user-bu6nq1ve6m]

For me hierarchy is illusion and not so important after all, and real indicator of that is that rich, famous and successful people also end up depressed and comit suicide because they lack real love (which is based on vulnerability and respect) not based on status, and even if it happens it is hard to them to belive it is because of them and not their status so they dont open themselves and show vulnerability. Only things that matter are love, truth to ourselves and than to others because you cant be truthful to others if your lying yourself and finaly honor you should always let your ego fly, admit your fault and offer appolgy. And big one is not giving people close to you to disrespect you and really shouldnt disrespect them in any case, and for not close peaople you should be first respecting if it is not given back you should turn back to them and dont give a heck. Being high status top of hierarchy wont make your life feel more meaningful, true love within yourself is ultimate meaning of life

[@user-fv3dq3dq7d]

Can anyone tell me the word he said at 3:08? it sounds like 're....fy' 'the right has to take that into account/ the hierarchy can __________.....'

[@maxand.1462]

the hierarchy can rigidify...

[@sergiomissaglia6380]

How the fuck can he say all that with that straight face, he takes truth and lays it out like if it was nothing. I can understand why this man is just unstoppable he truly say what we all in our deep know and understand

[@Stafus]

peterson is lying. natural "hierarchies" of competence are () shaped, few at the top and bottom and the majority in the middle, as is demonstrated by the IQ bell curve. pyramid hierarchy /\ few at the top with the majority at the bottom, is a construct of feudalism/capitalism. the reason the left argue against capitalist hierarchy is because it puts too many people at the bottom that don't deserve to be there. peterson and all capitalists know that their artificial system only works if the servants are in abundance.

[@techmail4668]

Someone please make a script of this 🔥🙃

[@wow-wordsofwisdom5205]

What do you mean?

[@alihammoud5067]

So according to you Jordan , people must put up with the hierarchies even if what they practice is unjust and negative . Plus it is productive but in a negative way . It had produced wars , class struggle , environmental crisis , racism , apartheid, and whatever evil remains . The though of you calling marxists idiots just astounds me . What do i have to gain as a leftist . The fight that i choose to have is a struggle for the people and for their rights . Many things were considered a fantasy in science and became reality . The same should happen in economics and sociology . This is the Everest of our existence to adhere society towards utopia . Not be fuckin stuck trying to give people basic necessities and rights , we should be over that by now .

[@felipecruzlima837]

I feel like he addressed all of your points. In any case try rewatching with an open mind

[@freshwilly4585]

Perhaps you need to re-listen to what he said because he does not say what you accuse him of. Listen more carefully :)

[@davidw4116]

Once again, brilliant!!

[@pjlk00]

The title is wrong. Hierarchies are inevitable.

[@_bob9740]

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[@tidragos]

does hierarchy produces monopolies? (like.. companies, central banks, etc)

[@diannalamantia1702]

Of course! The best rise to the top and keep rising. These monopolies in the US are split by the gov when they forget about the ones they serve. It is the “tension” between success at all costs and virtuous, responsible management of that success that makes any hierarchy beneficial at large.

[@billy-deangonzalez9979]

how do we maintain the hierarchies then?

[@user-lg6qg2cf6x]

Well according to JP, we maintain them by making sure they don't get rigidified and deteriorate. Implying that while hierarchies are necessary, they must be flexible, and evolve through social discourse.

[@Stafus]

@@user-lg6qg2cf6x peterson is lying. natural "hierarchies" of competence are () shaped, few at the top and bottom and the majority in the middle, as is demonstrated by the IQ bell curve. pyramid hierarchy /\ few at the top with the majority at the bottom, is a construct of feudalism/capitalism. the reason the left argue against capitalist hierarchy is because it puts too many people at the bottom that don't deserve to be there. peterson and all capitalists know that their artificial system only works if the servants are in abundance.

[@YwY-ct5yq]

Yes sir, The left and right need to work toegtehr or argue more productively.

[@andrespauloriquelmeshakur6283]

Good video but please put the subtitles in spanish,i dont understand english in all

[@aaronenglish1236]

Hmmm, are all hierarchies necessary?

[@TornadoOfSouls777]

I get high on Hierarchies

[@user-vw6xp5nl6t]

groovy.

[@morbidgirl6808]

I find truths in it.

[@Yetipfote]

could be a Key&Peele sketch: "High on Rarchies"

[@TheHollandHS]

Hierarchy is an extension from groups in order to maximalize groupwork efficiency. And groups are made with to maximalize individual efficiency. If hierarchies do not serve each individual needs well compared to society without groupworks and eventual hierarchies. there is where hierarchies are a pain compared to an equal and individual situation Are hierarchies necessary? Well not always. It depends what things want. But I wouldn't exist without an hierarchy to be a human. But does that mean humans need to form hierarchies for that realization?

[@BBBarua]

If the hierarchy system is necessary and effective, then why do engineers and entrepreneurs don't give in to the Corporate hierarchy system and instead started their own businesses?

[@justanothervote]

They do, they just make themselves the top of the hierarchy by being their own boss and working for themselves.

[@thiagooliveira9639]

The hierarchy should be in constant motion of struggle, and those at the top should always be challenged by adversaries, even in nature. One will always fall out of the top of the ladder, if not by others, by their own mortality.

[@BBBarua]

@@thiagooliveira9639 It is necessary to challenge all kinds of hierarchy. Otherwise, life is going to be too boring.

[@rubinsaffy]

SIR JORDAN OF PETERSON, I beg you sir to give us your analysis of what was going on mentally with Richard Russell. This was the man that stole the plane in Seattle a few weeks ago. He ended up killing himself but there was a lot of conversation between the ATC (air traffic controller) and his self before it ended; a lot of the things he said are up for debate as to their intended meanings. Anyways, I'm sure everyone would like your thoughts on this.

[@monkula84]

Didnt know slugs have hierarchies.

[@ingilizcehazrlk9134]

That does not make sense. Why do you need hierarchy to aim something? Why do you need someone to command? You can aim whatever you want and do with other people but if they want to do it and therefore your aim would be protected. Isn't it? By the way you talk like a commander not a philosopher

[@radusi12]

İngilizce hazırlık I'll try to give more of a general idea, it's just my intuition, maybe it helps. I see it as an organized way to position yourself somewhere in society. Why ? Because at least you have an "orderly" trajectory to the "chaotic" path towards your aim, otherwise you wouldn't know if you really achieved your aim or not and also the hierarchy (corrupted or not) and the commander part is needed and detailed in his book with the lobster part. You need someone to show you a way, otherwise we cannot progress and you will go to many places, deviating from your whatever aim. Start looking from your friends or family, there is a boss or a leader "now we do x, y,z in order to x", it moves you forward from a standing still point. Hope it helps

[@henryhomes2664]

Lobster philosophy!

[@yuyue8215]

His flow of thought is absolutely sublime. It's as if we all want to say his ideas as eloquently as he does but we just are not on the same level as him. How he comprehends and expresses these so well I really am quite baffled.

[@fraudcakes]

He's a fool and so were you when you wrote this. Hopefully you've grown in the meantime.

[@franklinfalco9069]

Maybe we can make hierarchies look more like a sandwich instead of a pyramid.

[@afcans7301]

I was thinking more of a yin and yang like to marbles colliding in the middle

[@douglasbuck3518]

The reason Ricky Gervais' 2020 speech at the Golden Globes made such an impact is because the people at the top of the hierarchies of the entertainment industry have too often forgotten that their job is to provide the most excellent entertainment they can, and not to corruptly lord it over their customers, the consumers of their product -- those who sometimes kick mud off of their shoes.

[@montag4516]

Ricky's presence and speech is controlled opposition, that's why they keep inviting him back.His role there is to ruffle a few feathers and toss a few insults at the actors (tools), but not much more than that. His success is from the same industry, he's part of it, and that's why his speech is all over the media. The microphone and cameras would've been cut had he gone for the throats of those at the very top. He did what he was paid and expected to do.

[@skipeveryday7282]

Does Peterson know of the Venus project? I do wonder.

[@adamromero]

He would reduce it to "communism = bad". The guy is dishonest and/or ignorant when it comes to addressing legitimate criticisms of capitalism.

[@apt3810]

And hierarchy also means war. Always. I claim that a hierarchy involves dopamine rather than serotonin.

[@allenzhou12]

Isn't enforced monogamy the solution for hierarchies?

[@soggymarshmallow]

Interesting that even a competency hierarchy requires different competencies as one ascends the hierarchy. Almost as though the hierarchy becomes more committed and specialised towards preserving itself, rather than providing whatever "competencies" it supposedly provides.

[@RockCh4lk]

I have always struggled with the left/right paradigm. If the right is for hierarchy, and the left warns of it's downfalls, where does this put libertarians (classical liberals)? Libertarians very much support a hierarchy, but also recognize the dispossessed at the bottom. They believe that human nature is good and thus a natural hierarchy, without government intervention, will properly take care of the dispossessed at the bottom.

[@ZAck56100]

Libertarian socialists are for democratic structures.

[@ryanscaggs1674]

Human nature is not inherently good and that will always be the pitfall of libertarians

[@aaronenglish1236]

Since the human prefrontal cortex evolved less than 2 million years ago it seems like Jordan Peterson is claiming that abstract thought processes have no bearing on our behavior.

[@dannahzakharovapaserk6138]

You can't give equality. You are either an equal or you are not. Equality is a state, not a tangible commodity. One is either is or isnt.

[@harshrana3518]

The million dollars question is Can everyone be a NO 1 🦞?

[@harshrana3518]

saganist in Switzerland people at age12are told whether going to college or not

[@Mical2001]

I need citations for the science Peterson is talking about (how hierarchies are more ingrained into our nervous systems than trees, those things). Anyone have them?

[@Tim20461]

They don’t exist. His viewpoints are nothing more than endless unscientific opinions pulled from his arse.

[@wister8528]

lmao he's acting so confident as if that made him right

[@zanenzeller4885]

He's a clinical psychologist, I think he knows a LITTLE bit about hierarchies lol

[@wister8528]

@@zanenzeller4885 being a psychologist doesnt make his political takes good

[@zanenzeller4885]

@@wister8528 hierarchies are political?

[@wister8528]

@@zanenzeller4885 yes, everything is political, and hierarchies ESPECIALLY. rightwingers love to point at hierarchies as a natural part of life in order to justify their ideology that serves to uphold the current hierarchies or roll them back to a previous state. i don't disagree that they are an omnipresent and natural part of life, but i don't feel like it needs to be said because everyone feels them on some level, and peterson in particular loves to justify many awful things by just saying "hierarchy bro it's natural lmao"

[@zanenzeller4885]

@@wister8528 i see your point. i don’t agree that everything is political, nor should it be. I don’t see Jordan as right-winger. I see him as independent but leaning right. I feel that the idea of hierarchies does need to be said so people realize that it is how they work. What awful things is he justifying? The idea of government? Family?

[@l_poli7339]

There was never any rationality is equality of outcome it was always equality of opportunity

[@dannahzakharovapaserk6138]

Hierarchy is good.

[@dmo4scho364]

Life requires structure. Structure requires balance: Balance requires cooperation: Cooperation requires willing individuals: Willing individuals require a structured life. If the system is thrown off it creates a ever speeding loop of chaos.

[@juanpablograjalescanseco28]

Well... How about hierarchies of perception, and of competences, but NOT of distribution of capital? We don't have to abandon every hierarchy to achieve positive social change. What's more, we should be constantly critical of the hierarchies we do establish. Anarchy isn't about the abolition of all hierarchies, which is how you seem to be painting the entire left. It's about the abolition of unjust hierarchies. Of course, the construction of justice is in itself hierarchical. But that shouldn't stop us from using the intellectual and philosophical tools we have to disrupt the hierarchies that hurt us.

[@thedrunkmarxist]

Hiearchy by wealth is the worst. So is hiearchy by birth. People should get to the top by working hard for it. Hiearchy is important in governments.

[@kratosboy5557]

Address the English question

[@numinous2506]

I canceled KZbin red today and left feedback about censorship. I am now on bitchute and gab .ai I will no longer be getting my content here. I hope to see you on those sites. I suggest everyone leave feedback and make the switch. The only true voice we have is through a mass exodus away from corporate fascism. God bless you all.

[@TheHollandHS]

Emos and jocks probably need each other at high school for a healthy and fair class

[@Kyavata]

Sacrifice. Of self, of emotion, of desire: it's the basis of SJW rejection, and it comes from a lack of self-control.

[@ronbocanegra2662]

ANTS

[@Ronnie7X]

I like how he's like "well it's not really my opinion it's just a fact"

[@psychcowboy1]

Let's punch in to Dr. Pretend Smart guy at about 3:00 in 'Why Hierarchies are necessary': The Left says hierarchies tilt towards tyranny, fair enough, it can be corrupt. Hierarchies have to be maintained so they don't degenerate, ancient wisdom. The Left says 'how about no hierarchies'.. how about not? If you flatten out the hierarchies then you can't organize your perceptions, you can't perceive the world without a hierarchy of value...the Left can't demolish the hierarchy in the name of equality of outcome, we have to agree to live with the tension, the necessity of the Left to speak for the dispossessed.' [Peterson's banal point here is that competition based on competence is good, but you don't want a level of inequity that is too steep, basically, society cannot be completely equal or to radically unfair. This is an obvious concept every third grader gets arguing for fairness on the playground. Peterson dresses it up in big words to look fancier than it is; tyrannical, hierarchy, pathological, organize your perceptions, etc. Notice how he frequently rails against some mysterious Left or Post Modernists, and those arguing for equality of outcome. He never identifies who they are, because they do not exist. He props up a straw man -- e.g. some non-existent entity arguing for equality of outcome, so he can blow it down. His gullible fans fall for it. Thanks Dr. Pretend Smart Guy. At least he acknowledges that too steep a hierarchy can become too tyrannical, fancy words for too big of an inequity gap between rich and poor is bad. Too bad he never has a solution to anything. Just a guy who loves to hear himself whine as a pretend intellectual.]

[@crayondude8014]

He only has to articulate the point because the left makes claims that hierarchies are evil and shouldn’t exist. Also if he was a pretend intellectual he wouldn’t have been lecturing psychology at Harvard

[@psychcowboy1]

@@crayondude8014 show me any Left leaders saying hierarchies are evil? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIbJi5qDmN6am8U

[@crayondude8014]

@@psychcowboy1 Carl Mark pushed forward the idea that anyone who is at a lower point In society is there because of power inequality and tyranny. 40% of professors in the humanities at university claim to be Marxists! That is a significant amount of people

[@psychcowboy1]

@@crayondude8014 What Left are saying how about no hierarchies? That's Peterson's claim. It sounds made up. Paste a link to some Left leader saying no hierarchies. It is just one of Peterson's brain dead straw man arguments. But prove me wrong if you can. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIbJi5qDmN6am8U

[@crayondude8014]

@@psychcowboy1 www.academia.org/self-identifying-marxist-professors-outnumber-conservatives-as-college-professors/

[@bigtitus4602]

This guy’s a dead beat dad that is addicted to benzo’s

[@franklinfalco9069]

Small-scale non-hierarchical communities work well within state societies.

[@BOBOUDA]

As if the left was concerned with hierarchies of VALUES. It doesn't have much to do with that, it's about hierarchies that are *and just for the ones that are indeed that* unjust between human beings. He would disagree with that as well but he's making a strawman out of the goal of the far left.

[@cricket12ish]

If you go to McDonald's the big Mac is always above the other hamburgers on the menu

[@pedroheberle6665]

Dr. Peterson (probably calling you doctor because of the subject-matter): 1) you are way better than reducing the whole of Marxism's proposed solution to a bunch of "idiot marxist" babble; 2) "then down with hierarchies? Wrong." That's exactly what marxists told the anarchists. It was exactly that: the rectifying (of itself, too, as I see it), the nature of the debate, everything - "neither taking, nor giving," as we put it in Portuguese.

[@md_0519]

Yup I believe difference is necessary but not discrimination Wtf is discrimination between religions, castes, sex, color,birth of place etc We are humans man!

[@sarahmauser3687]

#ireland

[@hasbroslatestglitch]

I don't agree with what he's saying, hierarchies don't have to be unequal??

[@crayondude8014]

How can a hierarchy be equal? The whole point is that some are higher and some are lower

[@vivalaresistance2841]

@@crayondude8014 exactly! Nature it self have a natural hierarchy in the animal kingdom... you don't see a rabbit telling a tiger we're on the same level so you can't eat me.

[@magnusangeltveit7252]

Fair enough, hierarchies are inevitable. A civilized hierarchy however, would reward competence instad of aggressive domination, and sharing instead of hoarding. Just like "enforced monogamy", we could have enforced hierarchies, like meritocracy and technocracy, yet we don't. We reward the psychopath instead.

[@dackjaniels878]

Which psychopath, exactly?

[@magnusangeltveit7252]

@@dackjaniels878 The one that value profits over people.

[@cfirstnametlastname1710]

How much stronger is any human being compared to another human being? How much competent is the most competent of human beings to another human being in his very same area of expertise and knowledge? Ordinarily, Can one human being be evidently superior (as in the sun is bigger than the earth) to another human being? the response is no! the minute differences among human beings (some inches in height, some pounds in mass, a little bit more iq for this or for that, more muscular force, etc) are, in reality, not enough to establish superiority. The problem is that we create competence so we may exalt those little differences and make them look as if they were big, but there is no way one ordinary human being is superior to an entire nation of individuals, leave alone to an entire species (in the case of a global leader). The problem with all of that is religion. Individuals are taught to believe they are inferior to those that hold high social status, when society and status are man made hallucinations that don't exist in reality. Until we human beings don't take the chance on becoming a better and superior version of ourselves (individually) so we can later on work together in favor of the collective objectives of our species (among which should be found the sustainability of our biological environment, that is this planet) we won't release ourselves from the burden of the master-slave paradigm that sees today billions of people with no proper cleaning methods, no food supply, no higher life purpose. A semi hell on earth.

[@joyclayton1771]

Always existed, differences in abilities, powrr, charisma, perhaps luck drawing or serendipity. I think chaos without it?

[@valonarious5399]

100%, and a government without it turns into monarchies and tyranny.

[@GuyLakeman]

wake up !!!! a hierarchy is not a team activity .... hierarchies destroy teams !

[@thejam7129]

Why does this video not have 5 million views?

[@WhenAphroditeSpeaks]

I LOVE THIS MAN!!!!! WHAT A TURN ON, JUST LISTENING TO HIM! SUCH INTELLIGENCE AND WISDOM!!!

[@zenonelealainen3750]

Guy talks about masonic hierarchies and that turns you on? Seriously? You goddamn bimbos.