Jordan vs Lebron -The Harsh Truth About the GOAT Debate REACTION!!

[@thesauce2477]

Would you rather have 14 perfect years of life, or 20-25 years of an almost perfect life. I'll take my 14 years please.

[@narcisorivero5893]

Honestly even if LeBron played 5 more years wouldn't make him better than Jordan. It took LeBron way more time to do those things which makes Jordan greater since he achieved more in less times.

[@31olegna]

Sustained greatness is more difficult. You need to dive deeper into why LeBron's "things" took more time. Like scoring for instance; Bron was also generating assists while scoring at an above average rate. What would his numbers truly look like if he was going out there to score every night. 7 years in Cleveland vs MJ's management and coaching in Chicago. Michael's the greatest ever as of right now but What James is continuing to do is something nobody has done

[@narcisorivero5893]

@@31olegna yeah but it not a plus if he isn't winning

[@archerbluth]

@@31olegna your argument is flawed, and here’s why. 1) Sustained greatness is easier to maintain today. Better medicine, better transport, better scheduling. Even then Lebron has only played one 82 game season, plus several 70+ 2) LeBron and many other player these days are essentially greenlit. It’s easy to rack up numbers if the ball is in you hands the vast majority of time. 3) LeBron being a pass first player is a bad narrative, he’s never been a pass first guy, his offence is dependent on him getting to the rim, with the dish being secondary, he has always been shoot first pass of the option isn’t there. 4) his sustained excellence hasn’t accounted for winning these past few years, so a lot of his numbers are empty, it’s easy to stack up numbers when you only play one half of basketball. 5) he has spent a great deal of his prime with talent who can take attention away from him, this leads to him scoring more. LeBron is an amazing player, definitely top 3 with his skill, he just isn’t the GOAT. I’m certain we’ll have someone top MJ but LeBron just isn’t that guy.

[@yourchannel7931]

wohooo sustained excellence my ass how about the upgraded version of health benefits meds peds etc how about playing GM wtf how could you say things like that and left those things we might could think of. lets face the facts that's all i can say they're both great but one is greater the end.

[@seantyler7401]

10 scoring titles. 9 all defense. Just stop the debate. MJ peak was way higher! And 10 years is pretty good sustainability. Not to mention, this dude played all 82 most years. Lebron could never

[@jaredslabaugh3181]

LeBron is still dominating. He’s getting ready for his 20th NBA season. And he still averaging 30, 8 and 6. MJ could never.

[@illwill933]

If Lebron had load management then of course he can play longer. Jordan played 82 games 9 seasons out of 13.

[@mannyneva1760]

Longevity has nothing to do with being the best. I’m taking Bo Jackson as my back off if the peak he reached. MJ is head and shoulders better than Lebron at playing basketball and he ain’t the only one better.

[@jedtraq264]

if bron played in MJ's era, he wouldn't have lasted a decade because he wouldn't survive MJ's opponents

[@lilnug746]

Ok oldhead...sure

[@pureawesomeness7431]

I mean, he would have Pippin and much help. But could Michael Jordan carry the Cavs to a Championship against the ARGUABLY BEST TEAM EVER… Warriors.

[@jayric28]

@@pureawesomeness7431 That's because "Getting to the top" and Staying on Top are two different things. Yes you are right, Michael has never faced an opponent quite like the Curry-Durant led Warriors who were Juggernauts. That's because back in the late 80s to the late 90s Michael and the Bulls were the Juggernauts. They were the ones winning 72-10, they were the ones who kept winning championships. Year-after Year after Year and another Year after Year after Year. So what do you think is harder to accomplish: Staying on Top Consistently or finishing Runner Up? And the only reason why the other teams cannot win championships at that time? is because of Michael Jordan.

[@vladtheimpaler9390]

Sorry not sorry but he wouldn’t of survived the 80s and 90s he plays in a era where there is no defence

[@pureawesomeness7431]

@@vladtheimpaler9390 Huh?

[@sixty6conv1]

For me its MJ and Bron cant change that. Its more what you did do while you were playing and not how long you played. Name one thing Bron is the greatest at or in top 3? Its not scoring, defense, passing or rebounding. If Jordan played longer his stats would be crazy, Jordan decided to stop playing its not cuz he had nothing left. MJ's game was beautiful to watch, Bron is boring, Larry Bird was more exciting. Bron fans like bringing up things that only apply to Bron like all these stats and longevity, but when Jordan fans bring up things like 6-0 in Finals, 2 3-Peats, DPOY they disregard it since they know this is something Bron can never achieve.

[@lilnug746]

Ur saying that birds game was more interesting than brons. U need to lay off the Adderall. Lebron is a more complete player than mj, so while not being the best at the one thing he is top 3 in like every category damn near. How dumb do u have to be to exclude longevity. Mj would not have done nearlyyyyyyy as good if he continued playing stop playin. What lebron is doing is hella impressive

[@sportstalkonly1442]

Competition matters

[@sportstalkonly1442]

6-0 in a watered down Era facing weaker competition is not greater.

[@sixty6conv1]

@@sportstalkonly1442 And you would know if the competition is better now, there is no defense

[@sportstalkonly1442]

@@sixty6conv1 finals and playoff competition. Lebron faced steeper competition. And zone defense my guy. I grew up watching Jordan and watched his entire career. It's not as simple as threepeating twice. Or going 6-0.

[@kevins1718]

Lebron defense is poor. Not all about chase down blocks every now and again. He dont stand in front of anyone to take them no. Now we have him taking nights off to not play against tougher players lol. He is NO GOAT.. he's resume is dented so bad he cannot pass Jordan OR Kobe

[@jackastor5265]

Jordan is better than Lebron in virtually every way that matters.

[@gregorykelm6693]

Longevity is all lebron has

[@Philthorn]

Honestly where most of his statistics hailed from

[@fluff975]

@@Philthorn cap

[@gregorykelm6693]

Would lebron be playing this long at this level in a physical 90s era. Jordan rarely missed games and played more games in a season than lebron.

[@UC_Howdee]

It’s not rocket science and I really don’t understand why people are so ignorant. Fact’s vs feeling: Who has the most accolades in NBA history? Michael Jordan has the most accolades in NBA history. The greatest player of all time collected 22 trophies during his career including 6 NBA championships and 5 MVPs. Understand that you don’t get a trophy for getting 10,000 points or having pass Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for the most points ever scored in NBA. Fact is MJ accomplished more then anyone ever to play the game in there whole career. Think what ever you want but MJ played the game individually better then anyone ever to play and the evidence is what he accomplished in his whole Career. It’s simple kids the kid in school with straight A’s doesn’t mean he will be more successful in the game of life. shit what did you accomplish? What did you accomplished!? P.s MJ is the only player in NBA history to win the scoring title and defense player of the year. Do you understand!? Basketball Consist of offense and defense and no one in the NBA in the history of the NBA -only Michael Jordan has ever been the best offensive player and the best defensive player at the same time in the same season no one ever has done that!

[@sergio.ea.gaytan]

Guy on the video said take away the rings. What! rings play a part of being the 6-0AT not the main thing but plays a part.

[@benitoville0073]

Come on DEFENSE is not hard-core like it used to be.. LeFlop has it easy

[@jedtraq264]

stats is nothing, MJ did everything in way less time and bron is still chasing MJ, please forget the comparison, it doesn't even exist.

[@lilnug746]

It's almost like ur to stupid to comprehend what the vid said

[@jefferymojo3761]

Lebron Defense is lazy bro... He had a few years in between where he was a good defender for his position but he was never "THE BEST" on Defense to win DPOY. Lebron will go down as the "Stat GOAT" cause he has spends $1mil a year on his body. Training and condition in the 90's is not what it is in the 2000's which makes the difference for a longer career. Lebron is "Respected" in the league but he's not "Feared" by any players and never was, those things matter. I watched Jordan's whole career and Lebron's thus far and LeBron isn't better than Kobe in my opinion having watched his full career was well. Lebron's biggest fault was/is his mind set. Jordan,Bird,Magic,Kobe they all had that killer instinct from day one and Lebron never had it. It's not just numbers but attitude ,presents of mind, performance in the clutch (wanting the ball when it matters most) then the stats have meaning and context. That just what I think anyway.

[@whenisdinner2137]

Longevity does not make up for accomplishments and statistics. It's a horrible Point. Longevity is just one part of the equation. He completely disregarded winning, statistics, and achievements to Hype up longevity without talking about any of the counterpoints the Longevity. If you played longer why don't you have more wins? If you played longer why don't you have more accomplishments? Also these stats are not nearly as close as they make them out to be. LeBron isn't even second place in a lot of these

[@narcisorivero5893]

Lebron is playing on a losing team at this point so that comment on Michael playing on a losing team putting up stats doesn't make sense. Also LeBron change teams like crazy to win championships so if Michael did it wouldn't be a problem because it a wasn't a problem when kd or LeBron did it. Michael Jordan will be the Goat 🐐 because he never had to change teams or create a super team to do so and neither did Kobe Bryant.

[@lilnug746]

Bruh ur smoking something. Mj had a organization who was willing to build around him. They gave him pippin, Rodman, even Kerr. The bulls put in the work to make the team work. Lebron was with a franchise who had legit nobodies for 7 seasons and still brought them to the finals. I cant believe people can't process that. Lebrons career was going nowhere if he stayed. Also don't bring Kobe into this(rip) he had a top 10 basketball player of all time in his corner to bail him out so many times

[@brentw0681]

Kobe was drafted into a superteam and had the best team in the nba from 1999 to 2004 so this point is invalid lmao

[@narcisorivero5893]

Kobe Bryant wasn't drafted on a super team with the lakers only only someone who's talking out of their ass would say that, no one has every call them a super team. Kobe and Shaq are one of the greatest duo's to play together, so stop talking crap.

[@youngcactusjack]

Man foh bron can have over 70k points 30k rebs and ast and he would still be light years behind jordan it will never be enough he might as well give on it and maybe just look forward to playing with his son that’s it for lLeGM

[@BaffourHD]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelwhite3607]

So then with more career assists….Stockton is the GOAT PG over Magic??

[@reunion_k9375]

exactly ! :)

[@pointsur67]

I'm an old hat that has watched all 3 of them play. If I were to go by the eye test such as yourself, it's definitely Michael without a doubt. No one could do the things that Michael could do on the court and only Kobe Bryant comes close. What LeBron James will do is fill up the stats book. For me, it all comes down to who do I want holding the ball at the last second. Out of these two it's MJ.

[@derekjuarez9762]

On the awRds and accomplishments list he left out SCORING TITLES Jordan has 10 Lebron has 1..

[@michaelwhite3607]

Oh, and that graph…..with Jordan’s line, it goes straight down on two of the years he didn’t play between Chicago in ‘98 and Washington in ‘01. He’s counting Jordan as having virtually 0 PTS, RBD, AST in years he didn’t play. 🙄

[@Motorata661]

Thats not how graphics work, you link the points where you have data so he linked the 98 point and the 01 point, its just that it was a downward line

[@edmatopatriot8874]

Lebron is inconsistent. He whines too much and is nowhere close to GOAT status

[@creed200569]

Lebron will NEVER be the goat. He has way too many blemishes on his record from his own personal doing.

[@tperfect7241]

Eye test Mike wins hands down

[@kenyowright6719]

Jordan do all that in six years lebron got 19 years and he steal dont have Jordan record

[@michaelwhite3607]

You are the first reactor to this that I’ve seen take a second look over the career stats. MJ still has 300 more steals? Not to mention LeBron started putting up numbers towards his total numbers at age 18. Jordan didn’t start until 22. He missed all 18 games in his second season and the missed almost two entire seasons in his prime. These things aren’t Lebrons fault but I think it’s fair to say that MJ’s scoring numbers would be much closer to Kareems. Not to mention at 6’6 those blocks are STILL really close. Kobe has only about 1,000 points on MJ and also started at age 18. If you think about it, Kareem didn’t even start playing until 22. It’s hard because it sounds like I’m ragging on LeBron. He still has so much athletic skill at his age but to say his “bag” is bigger is just simply not true. He has the same footwork as he’s had for years. It’s almost a three or a dunk. His defense has become almost non-existent. The difference between him and the other players like Kobe, Wade, Carter and Dirk is that they all either played close to 82 games every season and other than Wade, LeBron is the first of those who started playing with “load management”. That’s going to take some tread off. At this point LeBron is a scorer. That it. His assists are down 1.5 from last year and almost 2.0 for his career. Again, this wouldn’t be a huge deal at his age but the media just thinks it needs a GOAT debate to drive up ratings and “all time better stats” is the only thing it feels it has left. Stockton has more steals and assists than Magic. So then Stockton is the GOAT PG?

[@tfyahct]

So if kobe is Jordan copy did you just choose lebron over kobe, plus Jordan is the better player so chances are you might lose that game. Kobe is my boy tho but Jordan is the goat, great video.

[@narcisorivero5893]

Also if one day someone plays longer than LeBron and only pass LeBron because he played longer does it makes him better than LeBron I don't think so.

[@artten5002]

Man that video's take i disagree so badly! Kareem even tho had less points input but still reached 2nd team defense Lebron doesn't play defense for years now and now just tries to get the scoring title, we litteraly see that when he's still on the floor on the 4th quarter and being just gassed ou until he gets his 30p. Also the guy saying that if Mj continued playing would tarnish his reputation yet... Most likely would've succeeded in ring chasing and for sure pass kareem in all time points probably up to 40 0000

[@lilnug746]

Jordan was washed on the wizards what are u even saying

[@archerbluth]

@@lilnug746 washed by what metric? Dude was still averaging 20 Poh when the league was at its lowest scoring….

[@lilnug746]

@@archerbluth washed on the fact that he was a shell of his former self. And that he wasn't playing as good at that age as lebron is now. Also the scoring doubt isn't an excuse for every player

[@archerbluth]

@@lilnug746 he was three years older than Bron playing both ends of the floor, TF are you on about?

[@markthespark2909]

LeBron’s era has zero physical defense. So easy to drive to the ring when the “big” guys play like soft kids. Kobe was Jordan’s heir….Jordan is another level and by far the goat. Fact can’t even count on LeBron to close the game or narrow the gap cause of terrible free throws in tight games in the 4th quarter. No killer instinct mentality.

[@brentw0681]

Lebron has 5 playoff buzzer beaters and second most game winners all time hes actually one of the clutchest players ever.

[@adamjones8677]

My top 3 are MJ MJ MJ

[@armexpf2]

If you fall for this garbage good luck! Never go to a barbershop.

[@shaheempashua6924]

Michael Jordans rookie season numbers are the same as Kobe's rookie season numbers Also MJ scored more 40 and 50 point games than the entire Chicago Bulls roster combined in it's history in the NBA

[@jedtraq264]

truth is bron ain't in top 5 of all time....period, don't care what anyone says

[@jinwoo2024]

u can’t be serious rn💀💀😭

[@edmatopatriot8874]

Look at the stats...and Jordan did it in less time than Lebron. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2WnoVsmtR4l5o

[@Says_me]

This guy is making shit up now.

[@davewilson6548]

one thing to look at is the level of talent did they play against. Could they compete against Bird, Jordan, Colby or Magic at that level.

[@Woody-fv7uu]

MJ >Kobe>Lebron My view on this someone isn't better cause they play longer. For me MJ played at a 10 for 10 years. Lebron has played at an 8 for 15. There is no way you are better then someone when you never reached the peak that someone played at for 10 years. And apparently I don't belive James flame is 95% as bright as Jordan it's about 80%. Look at the numbers at same amount of years. The Bulls were just as bad as the cavs were when James got there.

[@willieluncheonette5843]

seems like no one here ever heard of Wilt.

[@creed200569]

Pistons were not fading away. Their star players were still in their 20’s lol

[@gabrielw7773]

I think if you are the best offensive player and defensive player that makes you the best. Longevity never makes you the GOAT. Sorry and blaming others for your losses doesn't make you a leader either.

[@brando8770]

MJ, Kobe, …and I guess Bron. In that order.

[@-tu1lj]

All you have to ask yourself is imagine MJ in this soft a$$ league of today🤔. It wouldn’t even be close in favor of MJ… cased closed. BTW the longevity argument is overrated as players are simply playing and having longer careers now then ever before. Giannis or KD will blow all of the statistical numbers out of the water by the time their careers are done.

[@lilnug746]

Mj would not adapt as well as u think in the league. Unless he plays like derozan he wasn't that great at threes. God damn ur dumb...how u finna say longevity is overrated, and say that players now last longer, so???? There are a ton of players lasting as long as bron and playing a fraction as good. Lebron isn't just lasting a while, he's doing it while being a top 3 player

[@archerbluth]

@@lilnug746 he was shooting 3s at the league average at the time, and Lebron is below average now , you’re on dope if you think MJ wouldn’t shoot at or above clip with the added volume, he had a better shot mechanic than Bron, the proof is in the free throw my guy..

[@lilnug746]

@@archerbluth no the proof is I'm the 3 point percentage my guy. Which lebron has a higher career one

[@archerbluth]

@@lilnug746 all those words to say you don’t know what you’re talking about g….

[@archerbluth]

@@lilnug746 both lebron and MJ had their lowest 3pt pct when shooting the least 3 pointers in their career, when the volume increases so does the accuracy, this is the case for everyone but Brodie…

[@stevenclarke4067]

None of this has any context. Like the fact that most of his points are from 0-5ft...by far...and why not..How many people are in the paint nowadays? Jordan had to shoot farther than 5ft because there was what..5-7 physical people in the paint back then that weren't getting fouled for touching someone. Sometimes literally getting thrown to the ground..which I'm sure would affect the length of someone's career also. Yall need to look at the stats vs the rest of each of their position ...cant fault a shooting guard for not getting as many rebounds.

[@yepitsme7237]

If you went off eye test You would be with MJ Fcken cap. Lol He bais af for lebron That graph was pretty crazy but diff time Diff competition

[@brentw0681]

How is kobe the goat if he wasn't even the best player on his own team for half of his career? lmao Jordan 10x better than kobe.

[@illwill933]

Jordan was not as big should be more impressive than Lebrons size

[@954roof]

When was the last year lebron played defense? I can’t remember

[@sergio.ea.gaytan]

Jordan better offensive player better defensive player what's there to debate

[@mannyneva1760]

Lebron efficiency outside of 3 feet is 💩, 2005 rule changes made Lebron

[@nicsundberg8505]

O boy gotta get his facts str8! He tilted the scales a lil to favor Lebron..

[@irresistablegraceinchrist6690]

Lebron is not 50% the player Michael was!

[@zipo1039]

Whatever they say about stats i will never have lefraud for a Goat,He is a passive guy,full of himself,quits,whines ,flops when it doesnt go his way,no killer instinct. If he claims to he the Goat then he should do great thing ajd live for that moment but he chokes in the end so who cares about his hollow stats.most of his dunks are even uncontested anyone can do that.does he even have an iconic shot durin finals.i know ray allen has kylie irvin has.pfft.

[@c.dottjr2]

HESSSS BACKKKK🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@derekjuarez9762]

Lebron is a horrible shooter outside 3ft, Jordan was lethal At that range

[@fluff975]

bro its crazy every reaction i see to this vid its nothing but bron haters in the comments lmao. i think MJ the goat but its a lot closer than yall like to pretend

[@KoufalKoufax]

MJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LEJOKE

[@questionmark8252]

if bron plays in mj's era he will flop alot he will be the greatest flopper of all time

[@davidvasconcellos6858]

Both legends no doubt!!!

[@fluff975]

bro u are a diamond in the rough

[@davidvasconcellos6858]

@@fluff975 Thank You!!!

[@alexlanza79]

Great reaction to a great video! In my opinion LeBron had to endure a expectations nobody in the history of the NBA had to face, not even MJ, plus the many disappointments culminating with the 2011 finals made the media kill him, so the fact he was able to endure that and became the great basketball player he is, it's amazing, but we can't consider only the post 2011. Some are impressed by his longevity, but still he is and was since his first season big and strong, but being as he is, it's quite disappointing that he was named in the defensive 1st team only 6 times, compared to MJ 9 in 13 seasons with the Bulls and Kobe (who was a much more fragile player with so many injuries) with 9 time defensive first team and 3 time defensive second team; this shows LeBron is not a great defensive player and if that's not enough one can watch him play and notice it has been many season that LeBron rest on defense to be more effective on offense, but neither Kobe nore MJ were accused of rest on defense, not even at the end of their career. To me one to be the Goat in basketball must be consistent through his entire career in both offence and defense it's not enough to put huge numbers or to be high in totals, numbers don't tell the truth, eyes do!

[@Says_me]

Then you agree… it’s MJ.

[@TheOneAnderson]

U can tell u never watched Jordan’s highlights lmao how do u say the eye test proves Kobe is better than Jordan when u never really even watched Jordan cuz if u did and seen his hang time and all the people that came at him trynna tackle him with way harder defense and was still going to the hole on everyone and was jumping higher than lebron even tho lebron is taller and so was Kobe by like a half inch lmao it’s not even close 😂🤦‍♂️ the shots and dunks Jordan made were wayyyyy tougher and longer hang time than both lebron and Kobe 🤣💯 like just watch “ Michael Jordan greatest KZbin video” and it will show u why Jordan is way more athletic and could jump higher farther and longer than Lebron and Kobe💯 Jordan’s shot was perfect and wayyyy more pure Jordan had lock down defense on him 24/7 and was still making tougher shots and dunks idc until u seen that video and Jordan’s “rare palm voyage Jordan video” until u seen these 2 videos don’t even sit on ur KZbin channel acting like u know Jordan and thats not including Jordan’s hundrens and thousands of highlight videos those 2 videos alone will show u why Jordan is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME PERIOD!!! of Jordan’s highlights it’s hilarious u get so hyped on this video for lebrons simple dunks and shots when u clearly haven’t seen Jordan’s highlights like that 😂👌✌️

[@G_Demolished]

It’s Mike.

[@stevenclarke4067]

Watch the one by dangerproduction..that one adds context

[@goatjames328]

Legoat 👑 🐐! It’s inevitable! And once he gets Kareem’s scoring crown (a record once thought untouchable) there will be no debate!

[@imspyy]

90s were easier as the game develops everyday.

[@Says_me]

Baseless assertion. What evidence is there for that?

[@TheGreatestEver2doit]

Lebron at 3 is crazy ngl 🤣🤣 he number 1