You are the Target | James Lindsay | EP 367

Ep. 367
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. James Lindsay break down how Marxism evolved from a singular ideology into a genus, spawning many oppressor/oppressed dogmas across modern culture such as equity, critical race theory, and queer theory. They trace these sub-Marxist doctrines back past fundamental narrative into the theological realm, and detail their utility in the acquisition of power. Dr. Peterson and Dr. Lindsay also discuss the Grievance Studies Affair, of which Dr. Lindsay was a co-author and which casts a spotlight on the Marxist capture of our academic and scientific institutions.
An author, mathematician, and political commentator, Dr. James Lindsay has written eight books spanning a range of subjects including education, postmodern theory, and critical race theory. Dr. Lindsay is the founder of New Discourses, an organization dedicated to shining the light of objective truth in subjective darkness. Dr. Lindsay is the co-author of “Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity―and Why This Harms Everybody” and the author of “Race Marxism,” as well as, “The Marxification of Education.” Dr. Lindsay has been a featured guest on Fox News, Glenn Beck, Joe Rogan, and NPR, and he has spoken at the Oxford Union and the EU Parliament.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:32) Intro
(1:30) 175 flights, the life of a public speaker
(4:00) The EU speech
(5:06) Why “Woke” is Marxism
(6:27) The relation of Postmodernism and Marxism
(10:14) Marxism is a genus
(11:27) The fundamental core, prince of power
(12:49) Gnostic heresies, the inversion of praxis
(15:24) “There is always a power dynamic”
(20:05) The undercurrent of resentment
(22:31) Cane and Able, second rate sacrifice
(25:41) The demi-urge
(29:42) When the world doesn’t unfold at your feet
(31:17) God demands humility
(32:38) Bitter times
(37:09) Becoming a massage therapist
(41:42) The New Atheist Movement
(42:59) Getting beat by life
(45:08) The Grievance Studies Affair
(48:23) Counting arguments, proving what’s true
(52:15) How a STEM mind aids philosophy
(57:22) Unconstrained creativity
(58:46) Getting around authority, PhD equivalence
(1:01:12) Why provoke academia?
(1:03:43) When an entity stores up value…
(1:04:38) False narrative of antagonism between science and religion
(1:07:54) The power of axioms, the axiom of infinity
(1:08:57) Replacing credentials with DEI statements
(1:11:47) Since publishing the Hoax Papers
(1:13:42) Gratitude is the opposite of bitterness
(1:15:19) Rank ordering students into a privilege caste
(1:17:02) The best camouflage for serpents is compassion
(1:17:43) Measuring predictors of left wing Totalitarianism
(1:20:07) The case for segregating the anonymous online
(1:22:03) Jonah, holding your tongue when you need to speak
(1:26:09) The natural progression of the Marxism genus
(1:29:09) Starting with critical race theory
(1:30:02) Who “they” are behind these movements
(1:31:19) The WEF, the Great Reset
(1:34:40) How tyrants use fear, how to tell a tyrant from a good leader
(1:37:37) The Great Narrative for a Better Future
(1:39:39) Why you can’t have 170 priorities
(1:42:23) What the peasants get
(1:44:23) Cosmic jokes and evil clowns
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[@gufbrindleback]

Today I watched a discussion on Marxism, by a mathematician and a man in a lobster suit, and it was the best thing I'd seen all day.

[@thomasreaves588]

You watch a discussion between a professional liar and a schizophrenic.

[@yarpenzigrin1893]

@@thomasreaves588 And yet these two are still more sane than the leftists.

[@odetoazam]

Just all day?

[@thomasreaves588]

@@yarpenzigrin1893 No they are not!

[@gg_rider]

@@thomasreaves588 you're on a mission!! We need to get a law passed that makes it illegal to read Marxist tracts and books, word for word, for anyone who refuses to embrace and celebrate Marxism. How about a death penalty for criticizing Marxism? Oh, Red Terror has always been a core part of Marxism. Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin agreed. I think Marx favored mass killing too.

[@copitoh]

The fact that these kinds of conversations are available, for free, one click away, is just astonishing. World-class wisdom at hand. Take it or leave it, but you can't say you don't learn hearing to this. Universities do really have an existential challenge.

[@Liktur]

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[@daveonezero6258]

They told you at the beginning the basis whole conversation is the Bible; The True Story of Jesus. Initiating a conversation with God and he will let you know all this. :)

[@capitalist4life]

Peterson insisted on retaining the right to publish free content during the negotiation of his DailyWire contract. DW would’ve been thrilled to have 100% of his content behind the pay wall.

[@brianmeen2158]

Agree but one thing I find frustrating about Jordan is his almost constant interrupting his guest mid-point and then going on a very long winded explanation of his own thoughts or ideas. Please Jordan let your guest finish their thoughts as then add your input

[@ronfox5519]

Thank you for an excellent reminder. I had fallen into taking such things for granted.

[@halbodb]

Jordan and James you are the beacons of sanity in the world of clowns and pure evil! Please continue your conversation again and again. 👏👏🙏

[@ziggystardust3060]

Ah, I love this analogy! 'beacons of sanity in a world of clowns'. I'm going to keep that one! ❤

[@freethebirds3578]

I'm a Christian and a conservative. I love these conversations, because there are not enough people explaining how all of these ideas mesh and affect our world.

[@marciadroeger4434]

It's very concerning.

[@lewiscraw8294]

​@marciadroeger4434 A concern? It's more than a concern. What's coming is gonna be nothing compared to this

[@bbgun061]

@@lewiscraw8294 I don't know what comes next, but I know how it ends. Jesus wins.

[@LarsTragel-zh7ei]

The two clueless clowns in the video are funny.

[@WavveBoi]

​@@bbgun061Amen

[@kristideeley]

I had no idea how badly I wanted this conversation to happen until just now. I am so beyond pleased.

[@dalelerette206]

Keep in mind that narcissism is when empathy is replaced with entitlement. I suppose one would think of a devouring parent when pathological narcissism sacrifices their own children to the glorification of their compassion - example: “Saturn Devouring His Son” by Francisco Goya depicts the Greek myth of the Titan, who fears that he would be overthrown by one of his children, so he ate each one of his children upon their birth." There is probably even a connection between the Satanic Poetry of Marx and the goals of the adversary, who seems to be the ultimate narcissist. Even the similarity between demons and narcissists probably has a common origin. Perhaps Marx's satanic poetry had something to do with power acquisition related to the adversary's rebellion in the Garden of Eden? You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Ezekiel 28: 13-15 (NIV) A tyrant's cruel treatment of citizens is evidence of wickedness, while literary antagonists like Shakespeare's Lady Macbeth and Voldemort from the Harry Potter series display their wickedness through many vicious actions. Wickedness is generally considered a synonym for evil or sinfulness. Among theologians and philosophers, it has the more specific meaning of a profound evil committed consciously and of free will. It can also be considered the quality or state of being wicked.

[@Noxictyz]

This was indeed a treat. There is some hope in the world.

[@13kika131]

HE will not accept my reply.

[@bradpaynedesigns]

I literally rewatched 4 hours of james talks about gnosticism last night and wondered "i wonder when jordan is gonna interview him"....and I woke up to this!

[@Liktur]

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[@michellet.2432]

Please, PLEASE have Dr. Lindsay on your program again! In the same room, if you can... this was beyond enlightening, it was important! You communicate together so well... it's exciting to hear your thoughts and ideas. Many blessings to you both, and thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing your knowledge with us all.

[@JMo-uh5cd]

Yes! I dont think Ive ever heard a guest that can follow what Dr Peterson is saying so closely and continue to push the conversation along. Great chat to listen to!

[@gloriaordaz3847]

⁠​⁠@@JMo-uh5cdexactly. I loved this interview because of it.

[@maximusf3063]

This was a great discussion, James is so damn brilliant. His ability to connect ideas and recall things with specificity is absolutely incredible to me.

[@leemartin5734]

he has the answers to everything

[@AngloAustralian]

Two neo-liberal shills subverting western culture

[@dorothysay8327]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

@@dorothysay8327 *Is that supposed to be a counter argument?*

[@beatrizcorrea5618]

I feel like we need a part 2 of this episode 😂 there were so many things they talked about and I just wanted them to continue. Hopefully we’ll see these two together soon.

[@millennialmadness5138]

I bet we’ll see them partner up in the future. You can tell Dr. Peterson was excited during this conversation. He just made a new friend.

[@halbodb]

I agree 100% If we can convince them to have a regular talk show. It will be fascinating!

[@astraldog3359]

I feel i can't keep up with these two brilliant minds talking together 🤩

[@km5449]

Whenever I grow weary of being a victim of "gaslighting" in this present culture, I go away, find a quiet place and listen to these 2 brilliant truth tellers. Thank you, gentlemen. Please keep up the great work! The world desperately needs your brave, informed, honest teaching.

[@warmongersCantBeTrusted]

What is gaslighting?

[@marksevel7696]

Well said. Very scary/abusive these people

[@katadam2186]

@@warmongersCantBeTrusted another way to say it is “ blowing smoke up your azz” . Sorry about being so blunt! Other description lying, twisting the truth, making people believe total nonsense etc .. remember anyone could do this towards you from a jealous co worker, teacher, politician, parents, societal narcissist etc etc.. Best thing to do is know what reality is in real time so doing hobbies and gardening, fix your room .. real things

[@ricksanchez9798]

@@warmongersCantBeTrusted gas lighting is how you start a bonfire....

[@catatafish22]

@@warmongersCantBeTrusted 😂

[@kunipeg8706]

These two men... they just finish each others thoughts and sentences. Just studying both of their work is already a life's work. This need to be a regular podcast. They're providing the tools and weapons to fight this modern insanity.

[@jamesbaker3153]

​@@user-sx8lr4kv1y Okay Zoomer

[@JimJamJuicy]

@@user-sx8lr4kv1yhaha ya ding dong

[@hdca18]

AAA+

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

@@KZbinmusic-oc2yq Keep spamming and stay mad lol.

[@postalizeMike]

​@KZbin music That gives us something to think about! How can we recognize our own problems???

[@H4ymaker]

I have learned so much listening to this conversation. I have had to stop multiple times and go read and get a firm grasp on post-modernism, which lead me to univocity of being. I went and watched videos of people explaining epistemology and what knowledge is and ideas or subjects that we can or cannot be certain of. Then coming back and listening to this conversation again and again, it just opened up my mind. It was refreshing, like breathing pure clean oxygen, it opened up my senses like smelling salts.

[@BrennanWayneLuther]

That’s exactly how we stop western civilization from being destroyed by these ideas. Ordinary people taking the time to read and learn. One of us at a time. We all just have to say no to collectivist tyranny.

[@millerjarrell]

I hope they do more together! Jordan seemed to be enjoying himself a lot during their conversation. Tracing everything back to Hegel and then gnosticism is extremely interesting.

[@gaussminigun]

Its funny how a "extreme right winger" the left claims jbp to be understands hegel way better than those silly left cucks

[@nisonatic]

His joy at the absurdity at 1:09:50 is infectious.

[@darrellfuller8078]

This is one of the most inspiring interviews from JP. So many lessons on adversity and courage packed in this interview. I need to listen again.

[@hegemonycricket2182]

Back to hegel in this conversation, but it goes back further through Kant and Rousseau. Lindsay has spoken at length about the through-line from Rousseau to marx and our current marxist derivatives. Fascinating stuff. His podcasts about gnosticism and hermeticism are really interesting, going back even further.

[@newsound7945]

Im really happy to see Lindsay getting more and more exposure. There are not many people that know as much as him about marxism, gnosticism, wokeism etc.

[@nothajzl]

Agree, dude’s underrated

[@energeez]

im sure he keeps busy, not a lack of offers

[@The_Rude_French_Canadian]

Funny story : I’ve know of him since he went on rogan but only put together that he was that guy recently even after listening to new discourse for more than a year 😂

[@earthling99yt]

He doesn’t understand Gnosticism at all. He simplifies a very complex and broad school of thought that has been valued by many cultures and societies spanning thousands of years, most of which were destroyed by Roman Catholics or Crusaders simply for thinking differently. Sound familiar? He’s no less judgmental than the woke folk

[@publius5128]

​​​​@@UpperclassHomosexual It makes the state a God. You need to read more, and think even more. It cultivates a religious mindset via a Trojan horse. They knew very well that what they explicitly stated, cannot be achieved, and the attempt would bring about something different. This was intentional. Moses Hess taught Marx and Engels well.

[@mouse9884]

I LOVE how Mr. Peterson has kept his interviews so casual and more like an actual conversation than an interview. Just a pleasure to be a fly on the wall while two intellectual individuals have a profound discussion on topics that actually matter to the future of humanity, and offers a deeper understanding of the human condition. Thank you.

[@foxtrotjulietbravo5536]

Dr. Peterson is a gift he shares with us.

[@Liktur]

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[@NovasYouTubeName]

Well said I agree

[@JC35257]

*anti-intellectual individuals, FTFY

[@brianmeen2158]

I love Jordan but I wish he would let his guest speak more! Jordan constantly interrupts and goes on long winded explanations. It’s frustrating

[@Maridu01]

There is nothing James Lindsay has said or written I haven’t devoured. He is a genius and is changing the world and ridding it of woke one mind at a time. I am eternally grateful to him as I am to Dr. Peterson. This talk was a real gift. They just keep on coming and like that evil will be defeated.

[@jeffscottkennedy]

One of the things I love about JP’s interviews is that he always ends up being his own guest 😂

[@jeannestewart3636]

Yes!

[@HalMan]

So true! I’m still trying to work out if it’s part of his therapy technique or lack of interviewer self awareness… he interrupts a lot too… don’t know what I think about it 😅

[@jeffscottkennedy]

@@HalMan I think it’s that he is so excited to be chatting with another intellectual, he can’t wait to share what he’s learned.

[@doctordapp]

His interviews are talks on a higher level. No name calling, just thoughts and conclusions. Like your brain should function.

[@jimiboi87]

He’s the anti-Rogan in that way lol

[@stefaniecolapinto]

I’m just a simple seamstress from Belgium, so I don’t understand all the terms, but these conversations hit me so hard because I do believe in God, and seeing that these extraordinary smart people are trying to get to the core of the worlds problems are -to their own surprise- finding that when it comes down to it, we can’t get around God and that His guidelines are actually something to consider to make this world better, to me is such beautiful proof of Him inbedding His wisdom in His creation. It’s also proof of both of you seeking true righteousness. God bless both of you and your families.

[@inyoungchoung]

James Lindsay is so underrated!! He should be more everywhere!!

[@TheMary0831]

Let's hope he will be.

[@Violet_Lotus_]

he's gettin' there.

[@TheMary0831]

@@Violet_Lotus_ It is amazing how far people can go when they tell truth to power in a time when people are desperate for it.

[@DonBelial]

He was so good in the EU parliament. I love that the conservative political institutions in Europe start to understand what's going on

[@vanessadowney3593]

Recently found Dr James and he is top shelf!

[@defaultytuser]

Whenever I listen to James, I hear a man who is walking a path of wisdom. A journey not without pain, tears and fears, that nonetheless grounds the pilgrim in the peaceful state of presence shared by all who pursue the noblest of causes: truth. May that journey take him to safe havens!

[@garagavia]

I'm not a Christian nor a conservative. This kind of conversation is very important to me. We have the responsibility to do what we can to help. We can make it better if we work together, and speak the truth

[@viperlux]

It really clicked for me when Lindsay said Marxism may very well be an heretical offshoot of Christianity through Hegel and in turn through Marx. That's the religious aspect I've felt all along through these post modern ideologies. I've been learning so much since 2020 and can finally understand and follow these conversations fully. I often get the side eye when I go into these topics because Marxism is very hard to explain and discuss with people without sounding like a lunatic. This has freed my mind.

[@paradigmshift7541]

i still struggle to explain marxism, didnt learn much about it in school

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

Marxists love to be misunderstood because then they are not held accountable for what they say.

[@sanriosonderweg]

@@paradigmshift7541 because it doesn't matter, the footsoldiers don't read it either, and James cannot acknowledge his beloved civil rights regime along with disparate impact are the root of the problem.

[@ericthegreat7805]

Marxism is basically Christianity without having God or the fall of man to limit humanity from what is possible. Ironically, it is the fall of man which came back to bite Communism in the USSR and China.

[@diegocolomes]

Look for author Nicolai Berviaev, he was maybe the first to say Marxism was a Christian heresy (in the sense of the Christian heresies of the Middle Ages)

[@aaronb.4861]

I cannot state enough just how happy I am to see Dr. Peterson in such a healthy state. This was an absolutely fascinating conversation, and incredibly deep, and he looks to be at the top of his game! :)

[@Eric_Blair]

200% agreement with your assessment.

[@alexlimion2624]

Love the lobster jacket

[@ClayboyBR]

It is alarming how many people have given positive feedback, without the need to be specific of the praise. Makes my skin crawl to see that man slither around in that shell of a human.

[@ClayboyBR]

So many people still don’t even realize what dr Peterson is doing. Dear God, give these folks some critical thinking skills. Whew.

[@gussygrom8047]

@@ClayboyBRwhat’s he doing ?

[@stefanielozinski]

I’m so glad James Lindsay is getting more exposure. I have known of him from Twitter for a few years, but never dug into him seriously. A friend from church urged my husband and I to listen to him and I am so glad I listened! He’s brilliant. And I hope he finds Jesus and His Holy Catholic Church ❤

[@frigoff1841]

I hope he gets to know Jesus, but steers as far away from Catholic Church as possible.

[@patriciatehaate236]

​@@frigoff1841definitely 😅stay away

[@meredithtwiss6037]

@@frigoff1841in the creeds, catholic means “universal”

[@SeraphsWitness]

@@meredithtwiss6037 Well yea, I'm not sure that's how the OP meant it.

[@wendellbabin6457]

Have you J. Lindsay's podcast on Fereira about the woke infiltration of same Catholic Church via Vatican II, I think it was. Connections to the Red Bishop in the 60s as well as Uncle Klaus and the WEF "crew?", "cartel?", "Supreme Soviet?", "Politburo?". Still not sure which name fits them best. Evil horde maybe? Barbarians INSIDE the gates? Or maybe as JBP called them out "Legion". I guess they escaped their Herd of Swine.

[@josephl6289]

This man is a great example of what Peterson has been teaching since I can remember: Be a person who takes on your burdens, with responsibility and see what happens. What an awesome success story.

[@dandee6331]

What a discussion. It's poetic that these conversations are happening on alternate media where as the McDonald's fed legacy media provides absolute nonsense on the boob tube.

[@ronfox5519]

For sure. TVculture is dying and with it goes a major chunk of the globalists power.

[@nickyredfern5481]

James Lindsey, & Jordan Peterson are outstanding.

[@robertohlrich369]

Most of their conversation is way over my head. What I do understand is brilliant.

[@richardlee985]

These gentlemen are intelligent and highly respected for waking up America 🇺🇸 to truth .

[@locutus2962]

Wow, these two are really great together. I've followed Jordan and James for years now, but this is the first time I've seen them have a conversation. Their respective expertise really compliment each other. Very interesting discussion.

[@Liktur]

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[@samhand8270]

OK, I need much much more collaboration between these two! This is probably my favorite podcast in years!

[@zengokigyh]

No way man, the somewhat recent cosmology one is the gem.

[@T_Fizzle]

​@@zengokigyhI'm very curious. Could you please tell me what episode you're referring to?

[@jesuschristislord7754]

Same.

[@ty2]

@@jesuschristislord7754one more haha

[@giaatta9303]

Me. And I understand the words of the intellects.

[@PlainsPup]

So glad to see Jordan Peterson and James Lindsay in dialogue now. Both are phenomenal.

[@gggumdrop3335]

Great discussion. I remember James speaking about the feminist/environment years back because it reminded me when my son had to endure this exact "theory" as a "lesson" once for his science class. When he came home and told me this "fact" I spoke to the teacher about bringing in the opposing view to this for the kids to discuss what they think and can this be qualified as true. I was pegged that I was an advocate for misogyny! That wasn't my position. I was just so baffled that this was being taught as science!

[@dannybrown5205]

This discussion needs to be continued. This is a potent combo

[@billboyd03]

That is a great idea.

[@valgerurjonsdottir1096]

Do another interview with Dr. Lindsay ... Please, and let him tell us more

[@rogerdodger1790]

Very

[@LarsTragel-zh7ei]

Impotent.

[@skipdreadman8765]

​@@LarsTragel-zh7ei Tell us you're a malignant narcissist without telling us you're a malignant narcissist, Lars.

[@vickils9571]

❤This conversation was spectacular, the chemistry between Jordan and James was electric, they seem to have similar humor, and I got the sense at times they were each filling in the knowledge gaps of the other.

[@SnoWhite2420]

I don’t want it to end!!

[@666atyler666]

This conversation should be the opening class for a new discipline taught to all high school students. Imagine the intellectual trajectory we could create.

[@richardlefaive1944]

They are probably the two academics who have read the core literature and history behind critical theory mostly deeply. They understand it best and can call out its BS most clinically and fully. They seemed to spiral and feed off each other. There is a great Oxford discussion between JBP and the late Sir Roger Scruton.

[@grandwizardnoticer8975]

​@Jason Hardin *totalitarian internationalism, more specifically, with totalitarian nationalism being a subset.

[@weirdmosquito9539]

Thanks Dr JBP for this stunning piece of intellectual work! Keep up the good work !

[@vanthdreadstar8039]

They started implementing mandatory DEI training at the place where I work. My anxiety was through the roof and I had a hell of a time getting to sleep the weekend after it was announced. I can identify with James' reaction from the journal that posted that article about glaciers.

[@armadaministries6283]

As a former hermetic gnostic I can attest this argument is absolute truth. I first observed this truth when converting to true Christian faith after a near death experience during which I encountered Jesus Christ. After my conversion I instantly saw the world without the scales over my eyes, and the obvious spiritual battle that has been taking place for hundreds of years is constantly repeating. That which has been done will be done again, and there is nothing new under the sun.

[@biblicalworldview1]

James has been such a blessing in helping me understand the source and philosophy behind the various facets of wokeism (critical theory). I love Jordan, but I get annoyed when a guest is saying aomething good and he interrupts. I'm so glad James is doing well financially, because his work is priceless. I'm happy to be a supporter and encourage others to join me.

[@blujay9191]

I know what you mean.. Dr P does nterrupt his guests a lot but I give him a pass since his interjections are always relevant and usually some of the best parts of the dialogue.

[@sagegallagher]

Did you catch that James said when he was proposing that the privileged be sent to the back, that they would talk over them and not let them finish their sentences. I think he was trying to subtly signal to JP to stop doing it to him!

[@newutopians]

I made this point in a separate comment: this is the first time with the many JP interviews I've seen where his interruptions really are a drag on the whole conversation. Sometimes his interjections expand the talk but most often in this case it's just him dragging a fascinating conversation back down to his typical interests, logos, religion, axioms. Poor JL - who we've all come to here to see - has to sit patiently and wait till he can speak again. Just like us. I wish JP had been more respectful. And silent.

[@domusardet4961]

My impression of the podcasts is that they're intended to be conversations more than interviews. At times I even find myself wanting to jump in, lol

[@mc.8391]

I feel the same as you. No matter how great Peterson is, he has this tendency to overspeak others. James Lindsay is articulate and leaves space for others....

[@scottlarson8364]

This conversation isn't just a lot of food for thought... its a seven course meal of analysis, served-up in heaping helpings of insight, clarity, expertise, history and experience, with a whole gravy-boat full of knowledge slathered on top. Compliments to the chefs!

[@cindihunter9119]

Well stated... ❤

[@llloydhoffman3431]

I agree...problem is now I'm hungry😎

[@TerrellWillams]

Great comment! I’ve was thinking something very similar.

[@JP_AZ]

😂😂 👍💯💯

[@johnmadden526]

I told my son just a few days ago that everything is math. However the end of this interview becomes increasingly informative/alarming with each passing minute that I am leaving a comment. I am wondering what we have to do to return this world to a place where our children will be able to discern the truth from the dogma that is fed to them.

[@kevinc9597]

I wouldn't say everything is math but I would say that math is the logical and objective abstraction of humans which has the capability to describe anything.

[@thenarrowpathoftruth9443]

This was absolutely amazing. I was riveted the entire time. Not one single boring moment.

[@ambition112]

0:00: 📚 Dr. James Lindsey discusses the evolution of Marxism into various oppressor/oppressed ideologies and its influence on modern culture. 9:32: 💡 The conversation explores the relationship between post-modernism and new Marxism, highlighting the skepticism of meta-narratives and the focus on power dynamics and oppression in social interactions. 19:24: 📚 The discussion delves into the relationship between power, gnosticism, and the battle between Cain and Abel in the context of the culture war. 30:00: 👨‍🎓 The speaker left academia after completing a PhD in math and chose not to apply for academic jobs due to the university's focus on student retention rather than merit. 38:05: 📚 The speaker shares their journey from being a massage therapist to getting involved in academic activities. 46:46: 📚 The speaker discusses their project of using GPT to write academic papers and their background in mathematics and the humanities. 55:42: 📚 The speaker became motivated to criticize the corruption in academia after reading a paper that attacked scientific methodology and promoted feminist perspectives in glaciology. 1:05:07: 📚 The scientific enterprise is embedded in the Judeo-Christian project, and the axioms of a conceptual system are fundamentally religious. 1:13:26: 🗣 Jonah's story is about how God warns him about the people of Nineveh deviating from the straight and narrow path. 1:22:17: 💡 The speaker discusses the importance of speaking up and not holding one's tongue when called upon to speak. 1:31:27: 😱 The speaker discusses the idea of a 'great narrative' for a better future, which involves centralization of power, transformation of society, and global cooperation, all managed by elites. 1:39:44: 🤡 The speaker discusses the concept of Net Zero and the absurdity of having 170 goals, highlighting the lack of cost-benefit analysis and the negative consequences of certain environmental policies. 1:48:48: 🗣 The importance of humility and gratitude in resisting becoming monstrous and prideful. Recap by Tammy AI with useful time stamps

[@joonasmakinen4807]

Great work! I hope this gets sticky!

[@cristinacidade31628C]

Thank you 🙏

[@markmajkowski9545]

NICE timestamping for others. I understand Lindsay is a mathematician who as an exercise tried to reverse engineer academic papers and wrote many “fakes” successfully. Almost like “mapping” the content of what get approved-then he determined which “words” meant pretty much the same thing - almost like a linguistic factor analysis that takes language and tries to treat the concepts as factors - I think a factor analysis model is more apt than “genus / species” but there isn’t really a way to map English to math - yet - which AI might “try”. Key issue between math and English - I say is no mathematicians argue about what an “=“ is - but the powerful will negotiate what “is” is to its benefit. Control the language. I disagree that it’s a theological infrastructure - it’s a “POWER” hierarchy - not a COMPETENCY one. Maybe a theological infrastructure implies DOGMA you cannot question but behind that is POWER decides - not “you”

[@miltonwelch4177]

So true! Remove Marx and we all be back enjoying the 50's US life style.

[@kamw8860]

Wow. Thank you.😊

[@leroyrodgers6089]

I cannot believe this is for free on the internet. Bless both of you. Just incredible, high-level conversation. Made me feel smart that I understood most of this!

[@theresehengst9234]

I can relate to Dr. Lindsay's journey so much ... 43:30ish.... getting beat up by life..... It can make you bitter (or break your spirit, give up, etc).... This is where i am exactly!!!!

[@rodneychristian9834]

It's interesting that the author and Fabian Society member, H G Wells, wrote a book called "The Open Conspiracy", which laid out the vision for a socialist society by gradual transformation. I am sure he would be well pleased to see his vision becoming reality.

[@Hugothester]

I love how KZbin has allowed us to listen to these impressive intellectual exchanges from people living in the opposite side of the world.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Only if you don't contradict youtube's Woke-Marxist misgendering ideology.

[@LtColwtf]

It is a bizarre world we live in. Thank God.

[@eswn1816]

Yea... I'm in SW China...

[@parkloqi]

KZbin is provisionally allowing this conversation until they decide to further tighten the screws on “trust and safety.”

[@dogg92]

Don't give KZbin too much credit. They'd censor him if they could but luckily he is too big to cancel.

[@lorirwilson]

This is the conversation I’ve been waiting for.

[@2GunRock]

Me too. For months I've been hoping JP and James Lindsay would finally have a meeting of the minds.

[@yolandasteinke6306]

So interesting and entertaining. Thank you both. I feel smarter just by listening to these two gentlemen.

[@supercrusader1655]

These are the two most important voices in the western world. I want them to take a room together and broadcast their daily conversations. You guys up for that?

[@Alacard0malley]

The conversation that's been the longest time coming. Finally

[@RafeKelley]

Absolutely

[@haroldfarquad6886]

It's about time these two got together, should be a great discussion.

[@radix133]

I was about to say the same thing. I love these guys.

[@dansaber4427]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@OccamsRazor393]

He's been on before, but it's been a bit. That was also a great discussion. I think JP has it titled under (The)Hoax) (Papers.)

[@MrHorsesongs05]

Been waiting for this forever. Bring on the gnostic talk!

[@JesusisGod-yk4th]

Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ and become a new person in this life. Don't take the mark. John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew 4:17 KJV From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV - Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

[@solagracia777]

As one who left academia, I can relate to this-the bitterness and imposter syndrome aren’t good for the psyche. This discussion was helpful in working that out

[@edmundhalley5087]

This conversation between Jordan and James is more exciting than any summer blockbuster movie.

[@tammys8711]

Only 25 minutes in and I realized…gonna have to listen 2 more times! Truly thankful for James and Jordan.

[@jamescollier3]

yes. high level coming for sure

[@oambitiousone7100]

Listen to Jordan’s Genesis lectures. It’s brain carbonation! I sometimes felt out of my body, so deep in thought.

[@alaia-awakened]

These 2 are completely aligned intellectually, what a pleasure to watch!

[@petesake1181]

Is this irony? Not sure

[@wowser44]

It’s like watching 2 of the best frozen yogurts trying their best not to melt to remain punching us with hard cold truths lol

[@freddieoblivion6122]

This was the one - f*cking unbelievable.

[@imogenrex6286]

Yes, but they're sitting uncomfortably close - awkward to watch - I wonder why?

[@wowser44]

@@imogenrex6286 like watching chemistry and other elements being alchemized in the flesh. I wonder what would good ole Manly P. Hall would say if he was was in the middle of this conversation. Rip MPH 🙏🏼

[@Orson2u]

Re-listening to this intense and super well-read interview and dialogue is stunningly bright. Mount Olympians unite!

[@christiancook5738]

James is perhaps the only intellectual that interests me to a similar degree as Jordan Peterson does. Not only that, he seems to be able to contend with JP in intelligence as well as having similar interests. Those two things combined seem to maximize their productivity in having their discussion. I love listening to both of these guys specifically because I experience great edification regarding truth and reality.

[@fee_in_the_shed]

Please do this again 🙏🏻 I’m not on your intellectual levels but I followed everything perfectly 👍🏻 thank you

[@blountl]

Maybe that means you are.

[@thescalemodeldad]

If you followed, than you understand the magnitude of what's at stake here, which means your intellect is absolutely perfect. Those that click dislike, know nothing or even care of the upcoming events, what we call blind ignorance, these are the ones of a lower intellectual level.

[@mysterion9686]

What an enjoyable coversation. Great to see Jordan light up when these two find suprising overlap in their work. Although it is not surprising in a deeper sense, because these two are honest truth seekers that occupy the same world; this clown world.

[@melissaradaker1128]

So right!

[@jkturtle]

James Lindsay is among the few who has the memory, ability and suave to continue and finish a thought that was, as is usually the case, interrupted midway by Dr. Peterson😅👏

[@elffeh]

What a wonderful conversation between two brilliant men. Gives me hope to hear this rational, yet scary, conversation.

[@leahhanderson3737]

It warms my heart to hear these two speak. I am so proud of James, my fellow Tennessean.

[@foxtrotjulietbravo5536]

Go Vols!

[@tedsess3106]

Two of the best thinkers of the 21st century together! It was excellent. Nearly two hours and it seems like they were just getting started. I hope they will do more together.

[@mikeroberts314]

😊😊😊

[@keithremedy]

James seems to be the only academic to talk about hermeticism and alchemy being intertwined with globalism & the philosophy of the bourgeoisie/elite

[@kimchiwasabee]

Best question ever: "HOW DO YOU KNOW,YOU'RE NOT JUST CRAZY??"

[@millennialmadness5138]

Dr. Peterson is pretty excited in this interview. It’s not everyday that he talks to someone of equal intelligence, shared knowledge, and similar conclusion. I’m sure he found comfort in this conversation- knowing he isn’t crazy. I enjoyed this interview. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear they partner up down the road. When Dr. Peterson asked Dr. Lindsay if he had friends, he might as well been asking “Want to play with me?” This was the start of a new friendship.

[@shareeburbank2836]

I know that I already said this about the Jordan Peterson's interview with Jeff Sandefer, but This episode with James Lindsay was the best that I've listened to, to date. Thank you, Doctors Peterson and Lindsay for all that you do.

[@philosopherking3764]

Now *that's* legitimate pluralism!

[@leroyhayes3251]

I have to agree, quite possibly the best guest yet.

[@headrowacademy5181]

Agreed

[@TheHumbleCarpenter]

This is one the most compelling and thought provoking interviews I’ve seen yet. James Lindsay is highly underrated as a modern day intelectual. The man is extraordinary. Of course, Dr. Jordan Peterson is and will always be #1 in my heart. Thank you, Dr. Peterson, for conducting this interview. I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact, I just finished listening to it for the second time. God bless you both.

[@johncassidy3071]

The Hegelians and the Marxists have long had the franchise to determine what is "intellectual" and what is not.

[@stephencirving]

I am grateful there is a platform for intelligent people to thrive and share their message.

[@gigigiggs11]

but he’s not a real intellectual because he’s not a marxist! 😅 /s

[@MisSkeeto]

L

[@MisSkeeto]

.. L oi

[@alexreal2499]

"The serpents camouflage themselves with compassion" - Jordan Peterson

[@timothybetts8840]

I have never seen Jordan Peterson so intellectually stimulated! He could barely keep his seat. Amazing discussion. I think Peterson and Lindsay are peas in a pod.

[@SyringeSem]

We already need a part 2 of this. James is special

[@Jackjohnjay]

James is incredible. Rarely is Jordan matched, even surpassed, in pure intellectual ability.

[@jamescollier3]

yeah. I expect a high vocab discussion

[@leonardticsay8046]

@@jamescollier3sure. The opposite of the theoretical jargon offered up by the magical-thinkers.

[@tensevo]

I think you are correct

[@m.thousands1848]

I wouldn’t say surpassed…

[@jamesarkanovi9038]

Except when Jordan talking about Marx or Foucault which is always painful to watch 😂

[@jeannestewart3636]

2 kids happily playing in a very deep sandbox. Waaay over my head, but I appreciate their intelligence and joy. Amazing to watch.

[@davidcmcclendon]

Gripping. I’m absolutely floored. Is the end inevitable or can we do something about it? If it is inevitable then we should fight the good fight anyways. This is what seeking and speaking the truth really looks like. I’m grateful for both of these men!

[@rose-mariemukarutabana9001]

A brave man, is Dr Lindsay. We need many more like him. Thanks to Professor Peterson for bring him on.

[@Reshalock]

While I agree, I think the reality is that we need more people like you or I, and for them to be honest even though it's scary. It's great to have public intellectuals who speak sense again, but it's not enough to just have public intellectuals. They can only lead us to water.

[@ThePontificatingAHole]

I'm trying, but my voice is tiny, and no one is listening...

[@yourheinness9275]

Hey never ever let go of the truth. You keep on telling the truth you thing nobody is listening but you and me make a lot of other people come out and speak the same truth. I feel like you too. But the more I have shared this with people the more I realise that the majority of people think the same but don’t say it. Just keep on saying it.

[@madness9070]

Two of my favorite people together! I learn more every day from each of you.

[@radagast7200]

Me too. Love these guys. James has definitely helped me to understand the pathology that is leftism.

[@codyrockall6978]

This is one of my favourite interviews of Jordan’s. 👍

[@CedarRose7]

3rd time watching this. This conversation was on fire. The flow was a beautiful thing to witness. Please have James on again soon.

[@Apenokillape]

It is emotional when you hear the truth from people who genuinely seek it.

[@glennjohn3824]

It's emotional because you're living in a shallow egotistical world... you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free 🙏❤🇺🇲

[@cryptogymbro]

​@@meatrackgamesroflmao you are a uncleaned room troll here with 0 specific detailed argument😅

[@irynasakharchuk7044]

agree

[@christinapierson4264]

This was one of the very best conversations I’ve ever listened to - I’m now a James Lindsay fan and will be delving into his work. I’ll be listening to this one again!

[@slickmechanical]

Dr. Lindsay has a huge rabbit hole to go down. I think the most important ones to get as a foundation are the explanation of Hegel, Marxism as religion, and his series exposing how both are Hermetic and Gnostic, and what that means practically. That's 20 hours of listening right there. After you get that down everything makes more sense

[@christinapierson4264]

Thanks for the tip.

[@christinapierson4264]

Thanks for the guidance; I’m listening to his recent address to the European Parliment right now.

[@natashamiller4860]

@@slickmechanical I would say that you are spot on with your synapses of the most important points to focus on.

[@spirogiannaki]

You should not be fan to a person. Be fan to Jesus, to God to Holy spirit. He gothers money.

[@tonyjunghans7767]

It's immensely refreshing to see JPB doing the podcast in person. You can see how he lights up when he's present with his guest. James Lindsay-please speak with Bret Weinstein about going on his show. You would add so much to Bret and Heathers' somewhat stale discourse on wokeness.

[@jamesmasuda8542]

I really love the direction Jordan Peterson is going in tbh , it's amazing to watch his mind live . The questions he asked for confirmation is right on point , well for the way I think atleast

[@alandestephano7606]

We should all be grateful to dr. Peterson for continuing to do this. I know it must be hard on him and his family to continually put himself in the front lines of the culture war. Thank you JBP

[@dimitriosfromgreece4227]

I have 100% RESPECT for jordan peterson 🙏❤️ love from sweden Stockholm

[@RosetheHat23]

What a treat to see these two minds together! Thanks gents!🙏

[@stvbrsn]

This randomly popped up in my feed, and as a regular listener to this channel I thought, how on earth did I miss this when it came out? Then I saw the date, June 15… On June 8 I was involved in a bit of an ordeal which involved skiing down the wrong backcountry drainage and spending the night tending a fire on the side of a mountain… and then after finally getting back to my car, I drowsed off and drove into a ditch on the side of the highway. Lucky to be alive. But I missed a couple weeks of everything… including this video. I’m glad I stumbled across it, I love James and JP has been uploading so much recently, I never would have found it on my own.

[@tonteurlings2064]

Two very intelligent and well informed people, who have the courage to tell the truth. And besides that they have a great sense of (dark) humor... God bless them!

[@kellyhorsley3229]

Dr. Peterson, I LOVE your suit! So glad your health has recovered and you're back tackling life's biggest issues. Keep up the good work!

[@andrewharchar891]

is that lobsters on his jacket.

[@adriennewright7697]

An amazing conversation between two people willing to ask the hard questions.

[@Sanity-sv1gm]

4576 comments, wow!!!! So many smart people, so great!! I have listened to Dr. Lindsay's lectures (about 6 of them so far) this is the first conversation I have heard of him and also Jordon.....What a skilled interviewer Jordon is and also participant. It sometimes felt like a therapy session for James. These guys are off the charts. Sharing this book: The Great Partnership: Science, Religion, and the Search for Meaning by Rabbi Jonathan Sacks (Chief Rabbi of England, may he rest in peace). This book is absolutely a must read! It is a great addition to this conversation.

[@lindajames7759]

The EU speech was incredible. I actually now understand the origins of Wokeism. Wow, it is huge and terrifying and perfect in its construction. You two are awesome 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@microcolonel]

This conversation is the most effective therapy I have ever received. I too am getting my ass kicked by life right now, and I am terrified to see myself in Cain, even just a little... I have also been a coward and stopped defending the truth in public because I've been trying to get hired by other cowards. It stops today.

[@danarnold8760]

Wow, what a transformation, good luck in your new found determination.

[@kylecoleman1281]

Cheering for you

[@ellenpereira9521]

Amen! May God give you strength and courage to go against these cultural waves. I was in a similar place of what you've described and am slowly changing. Things are really different now, for the better. I no longer feel intimidated or confused or in doubt. Cheering for you too 😄

[@charlesmichaelhunt9935]

Wow, Marxism comes up in job interviews? I wasn't aware, thanks.

[@jeffreyphillips9121]

This is now my most favourite episode! What an awesome discussion. such clarity and so engaging. I was so sad when it ended. Thank you James (and your wife) for listening to that internal voice that invited you to take the path you’ve taken. You’re message is powerful and so needed. Jordan, please have him back again! Listening to you two talk back and forth was like hearing an improvised jazz masterpiece. More

[@beirbua3968]

MOST FAVOURITE

[@maggiehammer9729]

I found your episode while recovering from surgery. I was a little fuzzy on some points but the evil clown idea came through very clearly. I've seen 2 since watching your program.. I prayed about weather I should share this. I did share it with my husband. I'm very glad that I am old and that I have a rock solid relationship with my Heavenly Father. My suggestion is that you pray a lot and don't be afraid. You don't have to be afraid of anything!!! Love and Blessings to you both.

[@Amanda-yf7vj]

What a treat!!!!! 2 great minds coming together to discuss the battle of good and evil. A battle that won't end until Jesus Christ comes to rule and reign forevermore

[@RetroGameRepublic]

I loved James's speech to the EU parliament. I recommend it to everyone who wants to know what is going on in the world at the moment. It explains the culture war and Wokeness so perfectly and so succinctly.

[@ed379]

By and far the best podcast Jordan has done in months.

[@jeffpir5166]

The end was pretty chilling. The nietzsche quote in the end really is true. Thats why jordan and james not only require sane family and friends but also a sane audience that can keep them sane, and just like we need them. And its also because the fight that we are fighting will make you a monster when you deal with the monsters.

[@oh2887]

Thank God that Jordan Peterson and James Lindsay brought their knowledge together here.

[@jiwoo-k]

What a conversation, I cannot believe this is true. Peterson's crew, Mikhaila, the agents of both, please make more collaborations between Jordan Peterson and James Lindsay. I am so grateful for everybody who made this a reality.

[@odetoazam]

Yeh but PETERSON should let him talk more before interrupting.

[@melissaradaker1128]

These two are a true force. The knowledge, forthrightness, and humility are fresh and astounding.

[@JimJamJuicy]

@@user-sx8lr4kv1yyou’re a ding dong haha

[@BBrunswick]

@@KZbinmusic-oc2yqyou keep posting the same stuff. Curious. Why should that be ok?

[@JimJamJuicy]

@@Rocksteady246 nobody cares about your slander 😜

[@JimJamJuicy]

@@Rocksteady246 you’re an NPC with nothing better to do who’s obviously jealous of Peterson’s success. Work on your own life. Clean your own room if you will lol

[@BBrunswick]

@@Rocksteady246 you know fine well. Besides why should anybody be without fault? But character assassination is much easier than actually refuting what either have said so why not give a shot? Peterson taught at Harvard University and Lindsay is a mathematician with a PhD from Tennessee university. These are impressive academic credentials, moreover Lindsay with Pluckrose and Boghossian authored the so called Sokal squared hoaxes which showed how corrupted certain fields in academia have become (the grievances studies). Their conversation was fascinating since Lindsay has evolved from the new Atheist movement to critique the degeneration of the left with its obsession with identity politics. A new totalitarian impulse has made its way into the mainstream - just look how JK Rowling or Kathleen Stock have been treated. If in doubt listen to Konstantin Kisin Even in my field (dentistry) I have seen the infiltration of CRT.

[@michaelandrews5499]

Best conversation I've heard in a long time.

[@JLo_cke]

FINALLY. I've been waiting for these two to talk for years now!