The Humorless Fundamentalists of Social Justice | Andrew Doyle | EP 373

Ep. 373
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Andrew Doyle discuss the intentional irrationality of far-left doctrines using religious rhetoric despite the absence of God, their paramount desire to dismantle societal structures, regardless of need or merit, the argument for transcendence inherent in the pursuit of art, and how woke culture stifles genuine expression, forcing dogma in the place of fundamental truths.
Andrew Doyle is a writer, broadcaster and comedian. His latest book is The New Puritans: How the Religion of Social Justice Captured the Western World. He is also the author of Free Speech and Why It Matters, and has written two books under the name of his satirical character Titania McGrath - Woke: A Guide to Social Justice and My First Little Book of Intersectional Activism.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:25) Intro
(1:49) Do “left” and “right” wing mean anything anymore?
(4:27) Activists or caricatures?
(5:49) Left wing authoritarianism
(12:55) Hitler’s temperament, everyone pays
(13:37) The spirit of Cain
(17:21) All the hallmarks of a fundamentalist religion
(20:35) Lens of presuppositions, in the place of God
(25:24) Milton’s Satan, power claims
(28:47) Querying society, emotionality and whim
(35:20) Teaching students to protest, the infantile world
(38:10) Where does the left go too far?
(44:05) Outsourced thinking
(45:20) Dawkins, the aftermath of the death of God
(50:00) Why the “woke” movement appeals to academics
(52:08) Do the arts move us toward a unitary spirit?
(58:54) No great art has come out of the social justice movement
(59:45) Balancing the need to survive with honest expression
(1:04:36) An artist must submit to their muse
(1:05:29) Most people are not great artists, functional hacks
(1:06:26) Sacrificing the ideal, theorists of resentment
(1:10:08) Losing the point of Shakespeare, the power of Macbeth
(1:13:44) The greatest form of tragedy, why the Passion is so impactful
(1:16:11) Harrowing hell, realizing our own malevolence
(1:20:18) The refusal of understanding
(1:24:03) When you bring the margin to the center, the snake that eats its own tail
(1:27:40) Sex reassignment is an affront to the gay community
(1:31:28) Gender ideologies have taken control
(1:34:07) The unnecessary expansion of Pride
(1:35:50) This is a spiritual battle at its core
(1:38:04) Kids pushing back through parody? Identifying as a moon
(1:40:46) This fervor might burn itself out
(1:41:30) The sudden end of COVID panic, the Canadian Freedom Convoy
(1:42:48) Will today's politicians look back and regret their role?
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[@russellsharpe288]

Andrew Doyle: "When I was studying as an undergraduate for English literature, you basically got the highest marks if you problematised texts: if you went through a play and teased out the homophobic elements, or the racist elements. You'd get rewarded, almost as if you were a kind of moral detective" Or a pet dog, performing tricks for treats.

[@DeltaShadowbanned]

good point, like 'positive reinforcement' even when performing negative acts

[@synaesthesia4183]

Why I refuse to go back to school for a Masters. I'm not paying tens of thousands and breaking a sweat for years for some woke indoctrination garbage!

[@DieBieneFranz]

Yeah, both

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

@@oliakrist8648 why the kidding? is that not the exact literal breakdown of, in addition to being an organic display of the original comment?

[@spartiate567]

When Communists try to denigrate soldiers of non-communist countries, they used to call them "running dogs." Look at the noisy student protestors working to silence any opponents of wokeism. Good little attack dogs. Good doggies!

[@SirGalaEd]

"The adults have capitulated to the screaming children" Andrew Dolye. Likely the best synopsis of the current world.

[@zacharyshinder940]

What's worse is many of those so-called "adults" are actively encouraging children to scream their imaginations as reality and then have the audacity to believe that that powder keg won't blowback on them.

[@priceisright1580]

Great dialog here ..

[@donnajohnson3334]

​​​@@zacharyshinder940 true, that !. As a child I was taught "Where breathes a man with soul so dead, who never to himself hath said "This is my own, my native land ?". Whose heart hath ne'er within him burned as home his footsteps he hath turned from wandering on a foreign strand ?. If such there breathe, Go, mark him well. For him no minstrel raptures swell. High though his titles, proud his name, boundless his wealth as wish can claim. Disspite those titles, power and pelf, the wretch, concentered all in SELF and doubly dying shall go down to the vile dust from wince he sprung, Unwept, unhonored and unsung !." Kids are not taught the great works now.

[@sawdust8691]

​@persnipoles So late stage that its not liberalism anymore, but in many major ways the opposite.

[@mr_b_hhc]

Absolutely. And it will make a generation of unhappy, unsure, wrong footed adults because all children crave authority and to be directed, to feel safe in a known world, they do not want to be in charge, no matter how much they may profess otherwise.

[@Duncanate]

"They don't want to think, thinking is the death of ideology. " Love that!

[@digitalis909]

One of Dr Peterson’s best recent conversations. Andrew Doyle is more than able to keep up with Jordan’s ideas AND push back, off the cuff, with new ideas that move the conversation along in ways that few of his interviewees can achieve. I feel I could watch this one again, which is rare.

[@paunaic5460]

It felt fresh to see this little pushes from the guest. Quite pleasent, and more dynamic conversation.

[@stevenwilliams1805]

That's the mark of good conversation.

[@bowemarch8239]

Couldn’t agree more. I’ve read the New Puritans which is great…but this conversation has really given me even more respect for Andrew.

[@annal2740]

Doyle is streets ahead of Peterson, intellectually.

[@sharonalbanese8084]

Totally agree. Andrew Doyle is brilliant, so well read and articulate.

[@harryaarrestad583]

I’m from the UK , and I’m very proud of Andrew Doyle !

[@frankgradus9474]

Andrew Doyle is a real gem.

[@oambitiousone7100]

You give us Doyle. Douglas Murray, Russel Brand, Ricky Gervais, John Cleese…

[@frankgradus9474]

@@oambitiousone7100 Brendan O'Neill, GB News, spiked podcast

[@toothgrinder2760]

@@oambitiousone7100 ​​⁠ ​​⁠ But they also gave us John Oliver, Prince Harry, and James Corden. Guess ya gotta take the good with the bad, the really, really bad.

[@danceswithgoths]

Plus Kelly Jay Keen, Helen Joyce & Kathleen Stock.

[@joshotey2967]

"Thinking is the death of ideology." - Andrew Doyle

[@kimdejbjergjensen2201]

If you think about it, this is a stupid claim

[@stvbrsn]

@@kimdejbjergjensen2201aaahhh, I see what you did there…

[@thesinfulyogini2073]

I definitely wrote this down too. So simple & profound

[@peterp5889]

Thinking is the end of any system=any ideology that serves a particular purpose of the system rules subjugation of humanity and individuals for material benefits=exploitation and oppression {thereby any system be it communism, Fascism or capitalism, serves as an utility of rule, exploitation, abuse of Humanity, and oppression}¶∆

[@criticalcommenter]

​@@kimdejbjergjensen2201agreed. Dumb comment from a not very thoughtful man. So sad that people think that insightful

[@johnhood9567]

This is a terrifying dialogue that is critically accurate in the way in which it identies the dreadful pathologies of woke culture; we badly need to have more discussions like this.

[@SHelob31]

Thank you for articulating exactly what I was thinking!

[@mattfoltz7752]

The thing about "woke" culture is as soon as you push back, they reveal themselves to be nothing but petulant, spoiled brats.

[@frankgradus9474]

I thoroughly agree.

[@MrGreasem]

Woke culture, and especially its inclusion into the LGBT scene has only made everything worse. A psychopath or sociopath across the alley appears to have been adopting cats from a local shelter and killing them to satisfy his extreme pathological insanity and he is shielded because he also engages in gay sex. My prescience tells me he'll be lynched soon.

[@dalelerette206]

Anyone who claims ‘evil is necessary’ is a victim of the Manichean Heresy. Evil was NEVER necessary. Evil was CHOSEN by the devil. And this choice the devil made has led to the sin of some people being more afraid of the devil than God.

[@Serraainc]

I’m a 26 years old Iraqi clinical pharmacist. My name is Serraa Khaphají. And this is a message to Dr. Peterson. I’ve been a student of your teachings since 2017, and I cannot help but agree with the majority of what you teach, share, voice, and believe. The reason that got me to comment today is this: I’ve overheard my parents watching an Iraqi interview between a tv show host and an activist, discussing the concept of the ‘social gender’, and the conspicuous opinion -now- that gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of both biological genders and ‘supposedly’ other gender-identity. This ideology is being openly discussed here in Iraq, on the political front, but not yet socially. We Iraqis have the not-so-intellectual attitude to care about ‘trend’ a little bit more than necessary, and to be entirely honest, I am terrified. Iraq has been the closest thing to the host of multi-angled totalitarian despotism ever since 1978, or maybe before that. Politically, religiously, and socially, Iraq has been abused far more than what’s imaginable, and it is not getting any better, not with this. Why? Is the Left absolutely scared of their ‘theory’ falling out of proportion to the point they have to push it to another country to support it? Why this? People here have been confused as it is about raising their children since the 80s, and I know it never looked like it was getting any better (at least across my personal lifespan), but this? This where our politics still doesn’t accept homosexuality? I always agree with your notion about specifying a place to stay the hell away from, I never thought though, that this place would be my country, not to this extent. I hope this gets discussed by intellects like you, who search and seek the truth, and I hope you see this, because truly, never have I felt before to this degree, that things are spilling uncontrollably out of hands. Thank you…

[@susannefiore4338]

It is absolutely concerning and needs to be pushed back with strength of intellectual common sense

[@drewid0847]

I am so thankful for people like Andrew Doyle and Jordan Peterson. We all have to find the courage to articulate our views thoughtfully and fearlessly. What is happening now is more grave than many people can fathom.

[@John-uh8kl]

.., than anyone can fathom. 100%, passing over woke self district disorder, ch--a, Putler, those of a 'certain rel-----s so called faith', when th dumb acceptance of AI arose, ... ..., what was a 50/50% chance the current entire global human civilisation could survive, it all went a bit abstract. Hm, keep the faith! 🇺🇲🇬🇧🌎🌍🌏

[@user-vh5np3bl2b]

use you briain

[@rs.7610]

You dont need courage you just need a brain and truth

[@drewid0847]

@@rs.7610 well a lot of people are not speaking up and a big part of that is lack of courage.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Well said

[@vintagekory]

Andrew’s book The New Puritans was the single best and most accessible distillation of our current cultural milieu. Just imagine having teachers this good.

[@Oceanfoxy]

Reading it now can’t wait ..

[@drewid0847]

I read that one so quickly. I would add The Parasitic Mind by Gad Saad, I read that one in 3 days. I usually read several books at a time as I have a short attention span but I read that one straight.

[@mrt2this607]

So not like the growing general #'s of those at places like berkley? If so yes, it would do immense positives for society if more centrist, with leanings one way or the other, teachers & professors were to push out the insanity-only types. Hell, even self-defining conservatives can and do have somewhat open minds about supposed controversial topics. Might not go in totally but will often agree to a compromise. Imo, too many compromises have been either given or bought and things just kept going farther left. Now, finally some are saying No & having No compromise to offer. Can't blame though, there is a too-far on some things. As in the left's insistence of including adult hookup apps and illustrations in the sex-ed books pushed into kindergarten children's libraries.

[@criticalcommenter]

Is his display in this interview indicative of the level of his book?

[@dominicscott9145]

Agreed. What’s Our Problem by Tim Urban is also fantastic!

[@aranisles8292]

Andrew Doyle supremely exemplifies what a good liberal arts education was supposed to do. He makes a fantastic interlocutor for Jordan Peterson.

[@beattherapydotcom]

I wish Jordan wasn't so willing to interrupt him at every turn. Brilliant chat though.

[@ColonelHoganStalag13]

Yeah but the failure to pursue critical thinking think philosophy and a thorough grasp of history. Literary fiction and poetry are more hobbies than an actual education. Doing a minor in one of those subjects would be fine, but pursuing a PhD in Renaissance Literature or some such degree, it an immense waste of time.

[@aranisles8292]

@@ColonelHoganStalag13 Says the ultimate philistine.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

@@ColonelHoganStalag13 It sounds like you’re saying the study of Art is a waste of time. And you’re totally wrong.

[@spidgeb3292]

There is not enough praise to heap upon this podcast and the brilliant conversations that result. Watching two very smart, very well informed scholars discuss vital issues in a free-form fashion is among the most fascinating thing I've experienced. This is one thing I thank big tech for bringing to us. For all its faults, social media has been, in my opinion, a tremendous benefit for bringing these amazing conversations to the masses, and for generating debate about what social media gets wrong and why..

[@sundara888whelan5]

So true! Jordan and Andrew are are treat to listen to. We are richer for them being around! And Thankyou too for your comments.

[@adriennew623]

One thing, I’m a scientist, I do research at a major university in the US. I know many other scientists who think as I do. We will not let our professions go down without a fight

[@JaneA544]

Good for you

[@alescolamar1945]

One honest scientist is too many Keep up the good work, be truthful always It brings so much hope to humanity and existence

[@markparris3890]

Make it a good fight, whatever you do. Good luck

[@DrDeuteron]

It’s already over for science.

[@farid4483]

This is gold for the intellect and common sense. I shan't say more than thank you Dr. Peterson. Truly.

[@user-vh5np3bl2b]

use you briain

[@seunomole679]

By their fruits you shall know them 🇳🇬

[@priceisright1580]

Posh .. he used that term .. posh ...yep .. lol the topics here are very relevant to today's woke social justice societal affects ..

[@loubieloujones5698]

​@@priceisright1580People who hold luxury beliefs in other words. This is a top down revolution. It is being imposed.

[@priceisright1580]

@loubieloujones5698 don't look now everyone is under attack ..

[@annieodowd6066]

I’m so moved by this discussion- I have worked throughout my career to bring the canon to young minds- to help them to appreciate the beauty, complexity and transcendence of literature. Lately I feel as if no one is interested, no one wants to read or know. The gathering darkness to shut down, denigrate and replace with worthless pap is terrifying. Thank you for making me hope- I will try to remember your discussion on humility and bravery when I’m frightened and want to be silent. Thank you for your amazing minds and wonderful conversation

[@hazchemel]

Yeah, you know book reading is uncommon, but it was also before now. I didn't know anybody who voluntarily read and never mentioned the books I read.

[@franciskeys9810]

I can always tell when I'm engaged listening to a conversation like this: if I start searching google for references and then reach for my notebook and pencil, I'm all in. You got me with this one. Well done, my thanks to you both.

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

Jordan and Andrew are exactly right, we're dealing with a totalizing, gnostic religion. James Lindsay has an entire channel built on this stuff, I highly recommend it

[@pharmagator]

I've listened to most of James Lindsay's talks on Gnostic Leftism and I couldn't agree more!

[@dalelerette206]

Radicals on both the Right and Left feel they are so superior they need to 'share' with NOBODY, very self-centered. To prosecute is to bring legal action against for redress or punishment of a crime or violation of law. To persecute is to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically: to cause to suffer because of belief. It's strange how these words are so easily conflated depending who is 'in charge'. The only thing I respect is when people reciprocate genuine kindness in proportion to what they are gifted with. I have a LOT of gifts so I give a LOT of gifts. If someone I give to does not have much, I do not expect much in return. We need to reciprocate energy in proportion to what we are given. Distributism advocates 'family ownership' of property and the means of production. “The family that prays together stays together.” - Father Peyton - The Rosary Priest All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. Acts 4:32-35

[@criticalcommenter]

They are often saying the opposite thing. How can they both be right?

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

​@@dalelerette206 You have a great point that I'd like to add to. Charity without showboating is helpful to the needy, but only ever up to a point, and nowadays is often self aggrandizing and actually selfish, as you've pointed out. Helping the needy to achieve independence from charity and perhaps be in a good position to help others in turn is the real goal. The teachings of Christ seem to be highly effective, even if you're a "cold calculating atheist scientist" type. You just have to recognize them as such, otherwise you risk becoming like Sam Harris - smart and competent but morally hollow. That hollow is where this gnostic religion will find a home and fester.

[@creed22solar123]

@@BurghezulDjentilom give the man a fish you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

[@superscatboy]

I only discovered Andrew Doyle last week, and have been binging on his wisdom for days. Seeing rhis appear on my feed delights me immeasurably.

[@frankgradus9474]

Google and read his recent article about pride.

[@JaneA544]

Andrew is a gem 💎 ✨️

[@superscatboy]

@@frankgradus9474 Loved that article. The gay rights movement has been completely hijacked and I'm optimistic that the man on the Clapham omnibus is starting to notice.

[@vadrudnev]

@@frankgradus9474 The left are terrible, but it doesn't mean we should make gay marriage illegal, don't you agree?

[@Dailyfreedomfighter7788]

This conversation is somewhat an art in itself.

[@v1kt0u5]

One of your best episodes! Thank you, Jordan and Andrew. This is GOLD for humanity

[@sundara888whelan5]

Indeed gold! And better than the other kind!! Many fold!!!

[@elainemaxfield2978]

This was a great discussion. Showing the truth that if we talk about our views and stances, we have more in common and agreement than otherwise made to believe by those in power.

[@peterp5889]

Communist will pretend friend and stab you behind Rob you, while Nazi capitalist will rob you openly... that is so true Jordan !

[@oli2805]

It's great to have both of you on the side of humanity. Without you the current madness would feel far more insufferable and desperate.

[@caroldixon3124]

A fabulous podcast as I love Andrew Doyle. I totally agree with his views on left and right. After working in academia all my life and considered myself left wing until the woke movement made it about imposing their infantile ideologies on everyone else. I now feel politically homeless and very disengaged.

[@helihobbit]

as long as that spark of ordinary decency was within, you made it home.

[@16m49x3]

The issue with the left is the lies it tells itself. It claims to be about helping the weakest in society get back on their feet and not catering to the will of the powerful. This sounds like something noble. It's hard to argue against But reality is in every single way Instead it is about celebrating weakness and tearing anyone strong down. Even if the weak are just pretending or the strong just seem that way on paper

[@spidgeb3292]

Take comfort in the fact that you're not alone; in fact, you're in some very good company.

[@DocnoXXX]

What I particularly like about Andrew here is that he calls Peterson out on his crazier ruminations and speculations (which have become more and more florid over time). It’s just what Peterson needs because he tends to be surrounded by sycophants who let him float away into his over-symbolic hyperbole… But Andrew called him on it multiple times, which kept the conversation more grounded than usual. Kudos.

[@sharonalbanese8084]

That's true. Maybe it's because he's one of the few people who can match it with him intellectually.

[@tasticillumi6640]

Spot on Doc. I find him hard to listen to now. I came here for Andrew Doyle, 10 mins in…already had Cane and Abel and now just waiting for an angel with a flaming penis.

[@sundara888whelan5]

I’m not so sure about your comments my friend. Jordan and Andrew both have very unique and gifted insight, and perspectives which can enrich us all, and l believe here they were able to do so, and complement each other it seemed to me. And l notice you didn’t allude to any of Jordan’s “crazier ruminations and speculations.” In fairness to Jordan, these l believe should be named and left for us to consider carefully, rather than left as vague accusations unnamed, which l believe contributes in some measure to some of the problems we see about us today. It is easy to point the finger!

[@DocnoXXX]

@@sundara888whelan5 Re Jordan's 'crazier ruminations and speculations', I thought they were obvious, but perhaps not. So here are a few examples: Near that start, Andrew corrected Jordan in his claim that only people on the left mask their evil intentions and actions under the guise of compassion and helping others. Andrew corrects him with: "is that really the case? If you take the example of the Third Reich, etc" and explains how the Nazis justified a lot of their actions on the grounds of protecting the interests and well-being of the (ethnic) German people. Jordan's response: "fair enough, man" [Now, Jordan wasn't yet getting up full speculative speed ... no mention of Jung, for example]. Later, Jordan claims that for leftists, "group identity is paramount, but full licentiousness on the personal front ... is also requisite" Then he goes on an extended monologue on possible replacements for God that has Andrew quite confused. Andrew: "Let me understand what you're saying here... what do you mean by licentiousness ... after all, they're quite prescriptive aren't they". Then Andrew proceeds to explain his view in a more straightforward way. Then Jordan suggests that maybe the Post-Modernists (using Foucault as an example) intentionally sought to undermine society to give them license to pursue their hedonistic desires. Andrew: "Are you suggesting they created this theoretical framework in order to justify that behaviour? [Foucault's pedophilia]" Then Jordan stutters "I don't know... I waver ... maybe the causation is interactive". In other words, Jordan is making this stuff up as he goes along repeatedly can't defend his position (as if he expected each speculation to simply be endorsed). Later again, Jordan asks "are the Arts a manifestation of a unitary spirit" (classic Petersonian language), and Andrew responds "I couldn't profess to know..." then again brings the conversation back down to earth. I could offer more examples, but just to show I'm not simply 'pointing the finger'...

[@margaretqueenofscots9450]

@@DocnoXXXI read that simply as their approaching the issue from different angles. Jordan specifically says he’s unsure what his conclusion is on the motivations, and his comments were simply a thinking out loud sort of thing. IMO they’re well matched intellectually, and by that I mean complimentary, not alike, and it made for a great conversation.

[@DGTandTKT]

Every time I see a new video from JP I get really excited! Listening now as I do my housework. 💕

[@macanbhaird1966]

Iain McGilchrist has hit the nail on its head (in The Master and His Emissary). To paraphrase him "The rational mind is a faithful servant, the intuitive mind is a sacred gift. We have created a society that honours the servant".

[@John-uh8kl]

Macandbaird ;3++£;¢°¥✓$, yes!!!

[@afairlyclassybartender8576]

Thanks for the reminder on this quote.

[@siyaindagulag.]

He adds : "This is what the world would look like If the emissary betrayed the master. It's hard to resist the conclusion that his goal is within sight". (p.434).

[@lesleybthedapperkiwi]

Andrew Doyle is the thought leader we need to hear more of - especially in conversation and intelligent debate. 👏👏👏

[@MEA5755]

What an absolutely fascinating discussion from two very thoughtful and intelligent people. It gives me hope that we will overcome the craziness that the world has become. Thank you.

[@Andantalas]

Daily Wire crew, you did an amazing job! The cinematography, lighting, audio, and design composition draw the viewer into a beauty which is almost surreal. The responsiveness of the latency is minimal to the point of nonexistence, so much so that these two were able to have a boisterous back-and-forth at full speed without us in the audience noticing a lag. What a masterpiece, Bravo!

[@buckhorncortez]

Didn't you say the same thing about a video of an airplane crash last week...?

[@lawerancemorrow8774]

Yes, the daily wire crew are really on top of their game

[@newenglandgal359]

Gratifying to read the comments and see how many people appreciate and are hungry for these type of conversations.

[@melissaharnish9094]

Hello Jordan, I only recently found your site and I watched a couple of your videos over the past couple days and I just wanted to thank you. I find you to be extremely intelligent, thoughtful, introspective, and open minded and willing to thoughtfully consider other viewpoints. I sincerely appreciate the platform you have created, one that hopefully gets people, thinking, and questioning, and looking at the world differently. In a world as divided, as ours is now what you were doing is so very needed an important and I thank you.

[@jamesmccallum6770]

The inability of the majority of people to frame discourse outside of 'left' & 'right' is so frustrating. Hasn't the last few years shown us so many examples of people who opinions don't fit these dated categories?

[@msvalderrama1]

I have read Doyle’s The New Puritans a few times since its release. It’s brilliant.

[@78consecratedcardsofart78]

It’s wonderful to listen to a grounded and sane discussion.

[@mijlaid]

Couldn't agree more!

[@iwenolongertrustliars9396]

The bottom line honest truthful reality is that there is a portion of rulers that are insane, evil, selfish, scammers, liars, abusers, poison users to gain advatages over others, thieves, slave classes keepers, abusers and torturing killers. They're bribing others to do insane bad to terrible things that are very bad to humaity and the earth. Everyone knows if you do horrible things you get punished or eventually will be locked up or executed to protect children, adults, the elderly, humaity as a whole and the earths survival timeline. Don't fool others and yourselves that people are not doing huge amounts of bad to terrible things and hiding behind every deception, all the tricks & scams they can come up by with, fear threats terrorism, violating human rights, violating real working laws constantly and their bribed evil helpers get paid or tricked and fear threatened into helping or allowing it. Just stop violating human rights and matching always working in history congruent laws to make insane nonsense end. Pass it on on please and thank you!

[@fritznien]

So, you think you got that from somebody who can seriously talk about redistributing income? This is an authoritarian who has not got the courage of his evil. He wants you to compliment him on his moderateness.

[@milliewoo337]

Yes! Medicine! To all the senses!!

[@topotheworld1589]

​@@fritznienimplacable humor has flawed too few who have failed to see the funny side of duped because it is too relished blankly vapidly and at a childish rate of dishonest contenptibility...I would hand it over to my own guarantees if I thought human technology had no viable exchange.

[@jeffreyyoungblood7438]

This should be required listening for every college arudent and corporate employee.

[@estherdoyle6552]

Excellent discussion between two major intellectuals. It is good to have this level of discussion as the 'gender wars' are far from over and the need to rise above it is intellugent discussion.

[@justindumond3281]

Dr Peterson’s recent podcasts have been mindblowingly informative, provocative, and insightful. Jordan, if you ever read this, I want you to know I truly appreciate the work you do

[@lawerancemorrow8774]

He really has been excelling for the last while

[@cocksureness]

“In order to defeat it, it has to be comprehended” .. words of wisdom.

[@SugaryPhoenixxx]

James Lindsay has a better grasp on the core of wokism than anyone else i have seen. He has a channel on youtube called "New Discourses". I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the origins & the goals of the new woke ideology/religion.

[@NotNowCato1254]

Andrew's clarity of thought and ability to articulate this clearly matches that of Jordan, making for an absorbing, thought-provoking and thoroughly entertaining discussion. Bravo gentlemen 👏

[@mikedowning4869]

1:20:46 I was traumatised by the idea of the Holocaust when I was young. I had dreams about it and had to keep it in a space at the back of my mind. While I had some therapy during my 20's, the therapist posited the idea that maybe I was on the other side of the fence. One of the most enlightening things anybody ever said to me.

[@mario11115]

Wow that, my friend, hit me. I think he did touch the sensitive part there.

[@RoddyFuhr]

According to James Lindsay, woke communism isn't just metaphorically a religion. Karl Marx's teachings are actually based on Hegel's teachings, which are based on gnosticism and hermeticism, the latter of which is an ancient Greek religion that has esoterically survived to this day.

[@michaelkinville177]

That premise James brought forward recently has given me much pause for thought.

[@RoddyFuhr]

@@michaelkinville177 The fact that woke communism is a religion is especially relevant as it pertains to the separation between church and state.

[@michaelkinville177]

Jordon references the ouroboros many times. I doubt that he's ignorant of its gnostic symbolism.

[@RoddyFuhr]

@@michaelkinville177 It's likely Jordan knows. He had James on his podcast recently. Andrew referred to wokism as analogous to a religion. I think he's hung up on the fact that they don't believe in God. Buddhists don't believe in God. It's not a requirement for a religion.

[@ADVtheMISSIONARY]

And its funny(not funny) how well Nazism aligns with Gnosticism

[@Gorbyrev]

Brilliant conversation. As someone with orthodox Christian views on human sexuality I am intruiged by how many contemporary voices of wisdom are coming from gay men. I am deeply thankful for Andrew Doyle's insight and courage and for the depth of this discussion.

[@danielbaker1190]

And yet, he has no solutions because he still refuses to believe in God and still believes in Gay marriage and the normalizing of the fringe and worshipping art. He is unable to accept that his views are the problem.

[@S.D.323]

​@@danielbaker1190belief isn't a choice and neither is sexuality

[@danielbaker1190]

@ShazDugan - "belief isn't a choice." lol, what a pathetic idea. What I expect from the anti-human left.

[@steve112285]

@@danielbaker1190 Belief isn't a choice. You don't choose whether you find arguments convincing or not. It just happens in your brain. Of course, you could choose to look solely at arguments for one side of an issue, avoiding arguments for other sides, and in that way bias yourself towards belief on that side. But it's a dishonest belief in that case. For an honest belief, the strength of the arguments matters (and varies based on the individual mind, due to differing biology and environment/history).

[@danielbaker1190]

@steve112285 - of course, another anti-human leftist. You really like to support each other. Like I said, your idea that humans can not choose is truly pitiable. Not much else say, I lifted both of you in prayer.

[@andyhamlett8814]

This was an astonishing affirmation of some of the conclusions I’ve been forming over the last few years. Thank you.

[@jts8651]

After listening to many, many JBP interviews over several years, I have to say that this interview and discussion was one of the best. Kudos!

[@YuyiLeal]

We need to find creative ways to bring back Humility as a central virtue, as a pillar that can sustain us all.🙏

[@evanbrooks8737]

Exemplify it and pray to God it catches on

[@mexican8531]

I watch your videos for guidance and or just information. People hate talking and especially listening. I've dealt with mental health issues and you sir has help me and I'm not sure how. God bless Jordan Petterson .

[@Greyghost760]

Jordan has a great interview style. And I really enjoy his truths.

[@anthonydavinci7985]

My friend , be patient it takes time to learn and gain wisdom. Each new understanding more valuable than diamonds and gold.

[@MrElliptific]

What a superb dialogue. That's the first time I feel so elated by the ideas that are exchanged in a long time. Thank you Dr. Peterson and Dr. Doyle.

[@marycomstock5793]

Gentlemen, brilliant conversation on the dead serious nature of the topic. Two comments: 1) the notion of humanism is not going to get us very far, as humanism "gives prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters...emphasizes common human needs, and seeks solely rational ways of solving human problems." Humanism is one ladder rung above Darwinism, and if we don't have these conversations in light of the Truth of our creation and relationship to our Creator, then we have a harder time seeing everyone as valuable, having needs and being willing to assist others without government intervention or force ("...St. Joan prized the gift of her virginity and defended it. She knew her dignity as a human being, her worth as a woman. From her example, we learn not to sell ourselves cheap, but to remember that Our Lord shed His Precious Blood for each of us-and no one is allowed to trample on the rights that flow from our human nature and from our supernatural dignity as children of God." The Holy Bread of Eternal Life, Dr. Peter Kwasniewski). 2) the comments on women and girls needing electricity to escape the drudgery of housework, to liberate intelligence and productivity are feminism at its core and smack of the Marx/Engels program (founded on that same Darwinism ) to destroy the family as the foundation of society, by main part separating wife and mother from the home. If you want to say that electricity aids wife and mother to perform home tasks more effectively and efficiently to have more time to spend with and aid husband and children, all well and good. But to denigrate the God instituted role of woman as heart of the home is offensive and blind to Truth.

[@Nettamorphosis]

“There’s a part of you that would literally dwell in hell before you could rescue yourself from it.” Powerful words.

[@Fuckgoogle-tg5kz]

Weirdly, there's a pride and comfort in it

[@Fuckgoogle-tg5kz]

Our species and the human experience is a complicated ol' thing huh guy's

[@Nettamorphosis]

@@Fuckgoogle-tg5kz for sure! Funny username btw.

[@janniedale]

This was one of the best JP shows ever great guest spot on!

[@user-tc7lb6rr4r]

Andrew is awesome, and puts it on all the line for sanity! Thanks to the both of you, great debate!

[@curtiscollins3318]

Interviewing John McWhorter about his book entitled Woke Racism would be a great addition to this subject.

[@sharonlouise9759]

I could have listened to an extended conversation for hours. Fantastic program!

[@Theatre_of_Thought]

The sharpest brick in the tree dude. For true!! Love what you’re doing here, genuinely. Laughter is the light that pierces through darkness. So thank you 🙏🏼

[@Speakingtruth2024]

Excellent discussion. I'm grateful to be able to watch important , informative, and brilliantly conveyed information ! Thank you gentleman.

[@templeofbalance]

Interesting, and I really enjoy when these conversations turn towards art. For me, I continue creating, helping, driving and living from as real perspective as I can, and I don't give a fig about the gatekeepers or even trying to get past them anymore, I care about my customers - the ones who buy my art. These are the ones who support my art for me to be able to live and continue creating, and I am very grateful to be doing this quietly for over 18yrs now with huge thanks to the internet. Great conversation, thank you from Tasmania.

[@JoshWiniberg]

Great to see Andrew back, one of my favourite guests.

[@criticalcommenter]

Don't be mean. You shouldn't take joy in other peoples suffering

[@MrFlightDirector]

Incredible discussion! (The adults have gone along with the childish delusions in a similar situation as the Salem witch trials - I’ve felt that to be true for a long time!)

[@moondiamonde2499]

"The fringe of the fringe is devouring the fringe." - Thank you Jordan! Yes, the more letters they add, the closer they come to an implosion.

[@MyrtletheTurtle3867]

Listening to Andrew Doyle is always a relief.

[@JD_Land]

Thank you for over 60 minutes of sanity and enlightenment.

[@free2beemee]

What a fantastic discussion. It’s nice to listen to level headed, intelligent individuals discuss the problems we’re facing as a community, nation, even many parts of the world. Strange times, indeed.

[@jettman60]

Loved the whole conversation. I would recommend listening to this to everyone I don't care what side of religion or politics you are on everyone if they have the capacity to use an open mind you will be enriched by it. Again thanks for speaking up and not being afraid to speak the truth.

[@sgtellioman]

If we only had intelligent people like this in politics instead of grifters, cheats and liars.

[@lukebarnes4552]

Thank you Jordan for bringing Andrew onto the show. It’s inspiring to see two people with, in some ways, very different political opinions elucidate the truth in a respectful, honorable manner. “That’s how people with different opinions settle their opinions in a civil society.”

[@pgronemeier]

Except, I'll bet, they didn't settle anything

[@mayanboricua]

@@pgronemeier They found common ground on a wide variety of issues. Unlike the puritanical Leftoids, mature adults don't HAVE to control every little belief of other people. That would be fascist. Authoritarian. Totalitarian.

[@free2beemee]

@@pgronemeier I think they found common ground on many things and took into account each others perspectives. Two intelligent men with varying views have typically been able to sort out their differences and meet somewhere in the middle. The inability to communicate and compromise for the betterment of society is a rather new ill that’s fallen particularly hard on the west through ideologues. The quicker people recognize it for what it is and who is controlling their very thoughts, the easier it will be for us as a society to stop the dehumanizing of any one group. I’d like to believe everyone is smarter than to allow that, although lately it’s been difficult to tell.

[@pgronemeier]

@@free2beemee No. ONE intelligent man BECAUSE he was able to 'see the light'. The other man is not. MAYBE in time. But not now. The word "compromise" is if you want McDonald's. I want burger king. And we COMPROMISE on Wendy's. One SHOULDN'T compromise between right and wrong/good and evil. "Common ground" is if we agree we both like air. Like I posted with my own comment, I stopped this at the 4 minute mark. There was no need to see people agree to disagree. It sounds scholarly. But it solved nothing!

[@pgronemeier]

Just like one can disagree with what I just said. I know I'm right. One might know I'm wrong. Talking together for 2 hours isn't going to convince either one of us. So it 'solved' nothing

[@WhidbeyMP]

Such an interesting discussion! So many times I wanted to be in there sharing thoughts! I agree with your ideas on Macbeth- Studied it in high school as a teenage girl and was rather horrified at the subconscious fear that he could be me…. Later it took me realizing my actions were ‘worthy of hell’ to be saved. We really have awful and wonderful potential in us.

[@loubieloujones5698]

I studied it too and felt the same.

[@ColinWilsonOnline]

Andrew, I've said it before after your Trig YT, you're just a brilliant, caring, free, studied, articulate mind. The best social commentator. Thanks to JP (who I've also seen live) for having you and risking having your brilliance exposed as exceeding even his 😊. Invaluable episode for societal future. At the same time we do also need a positive, coherent political vision for freedom and fairness and care now, addressing the genuine concerns of the left and needs of the poor/bullied.

[@sweebos]

Wonderful conversation. Lots of back and forth that made an interesting flow that was fun to follow. Again, thanks for sharing these. ✌️

[@marierhodes9675]

I'm very happy i got the DW membership a while ago because I am absolutely fascinated by this conversation! You two bring out excellent thinking in one another. Well done!

[@nata.galvez.m]

This was a wonderful, spectacular and very important conversation. We should be talking about these issues with this amount of depth, playfulness and openness. I enjoyed this conversation so much, thank you both for this… what is the word, I don’t want to say “food for thought” because I feel it was at least a feast, but more like ambrosia or something of the sort… 😂 truly amazing and highly enjoyable, one of my favorite for sure ❤

[@dailydols]

When I was a child (80s) I was confronted with a thread "When I am done with you, you won't even know if you are a girl or boy anymore!" and though "What can one do to me that I don't even know about me being girl or boy anymore???" Now I understand better that it is even possible to do such a thing to a whole generation.

[@MN-hf7ml]

Listening to thoughtful and intelligent conversations such as this is slaking the minds thirst with spring water, after trekking through the desert of the soulless mainstream (Well, more of a forced march really). Thank you ❤

[@sundara888whelan5]

Loved the analogy 😊♦️❤️

[@richardscales9795]

2 brilliant fellows. Excellent. I've only ever uploaded 1 video to KZbin - a thank you message to JBP for the impact he has had on my life.

[@Whatsacody]

Andrew is a boss, I love listening to him speak.

[@dawnbaldwin5919]

We just need to teach children why free speech is important. ❤

[@onbored9627]

Thank you to Andrew Doyle and Dr. Peterson for this discussion.

[@user-ye3zf7zh4u]

I’ve watched Andrew many times and never realised what a deep thinker he is.

[@hubrisnaut]

I didn't know he had a doctorate in English literature before this interview. Always liked the guy as a comedian and a commenter on social issues. This is your grandparents gay dude.

[@Ringba_94]

This was a very informative video I am fisherman from Nova Scotia I am a Christian and believe in traditional morals and values .I wish to help young people sober up and get off drugs most people these days alot focus is on the academic side of Rehabilitation or viewing covid 19 as the only problem but among young people Drugs are at epidemic levels across Canada as well world wide regardless of political positions or opinions us young people look for hopeful inspiration for positive change. Christian views are often repressed or misrepresented.Your explanation of Cain and Able has a discipline and expectations that most young people without Grace and clear instruction don't receive .this video refers to young people as infant and us trying in infancy I agree with your statements. My opinion In family dinamics if a baby tries to walk we congratulate the babe for trying evan if they fall I believe as Christians we should always share the same love and Grace when I consider other concepts of Faith such as the Fear of the Lord I understand it as being movtivated to love my neighbours and Love God by not misrepresenting his love and never deny his Grace of new beginnings.When I see older folks using the Bible to condemn it demonstrates they missed the message of the Golden Rule or the Heart of the law (justice,Mercy and Good Faith) I pray all I going good for you and thank you for your wisdom on modern times challenging subjects ❤Brady Ring, Nova Scotia .in future videos could you please explain in more practical approaches to help young people addressing drugs personally Christianity helped me with letting go of Alcohol and other habits .How has traditional Christian views impacted you with helping young people with drugs? I ask because I really wanna help . I lost a bunch of friends to overdose and other issues related to intoxication (DUI) I don't ever wanna be a social justice warrior or misrepresented by other terms related .thanks for your time I recommend the Book written by "David Wilkerson " "the Cross and SwitchBlade" I found his testimony inspiring helping young people like me I'm age 29 ❤❤❤God Bless ❤❤❤

[@elusivemayfly7534]

This is truly beautiful, Brady. I can feel the Holy Spirit radiating His light from your comment. I am adding you and your mission to my daily prayer list. God is moving with and through you! Praise God. Your comment really encouraged me. - your sister in Christ, K

[@georginawhitby1320]

Brady Ring, you might also or alternatively consider being able provide some part of support for young men who have escaped transition ( detransitioners). I can imagine some kind of program including boats and fishing might be great as part of that.

[@rogerwilkinson344]

Hello Brady, I work in a Christian rehab centre. It has the big advantage that the guys, mostly coming off drugs, are completely removed from the world - no drugs, no tobacco, nothing, and are subject to the disciplines of communal life including work. Gradually many of the guys begin to accept fundamental Bible truths and they slowly begin to change. Those who stick the process leave as new men. In your situation though, it probably helps to know that drugs are not the main problem - drugs are the symptom of emotional turmoil, and the emotional turmoil in the end is a symptom of being spiritually lost. Help needs to be applied at all three levels - physical (get off drugs), emotional (get some stability and kindness; deal with anger), and spiritual (get hold of some truth). I notice that you are 29. You would be amazed how many guys reach the end of the road and look for help at around the age of 28. That's when they find that life is not working, and suddenly their brains are mature enough to see this.

[@catsandcrows8880]

You're a good man ❤

[@Libros_web_Neobiblismo]

Saludos y bendiciones de nuestra literatura.

[@zippitydoodah5693]

Well put, Sir!!!! IT IS INDEED a Religion! It has priests, rituals, holy books, dogmatic language, etc. Thank you, Dr. Doyle! The Church of the Woke.

[@YuyiLeal]

Outstanding conversation!👏😊💖

[@heygoober1653]

A very engaging conversation. Thank you Dr. Peterson and Mr. Doyle

[@TR-xp1eb]

Best thing about listening to Dr Jordan Peterson over the past several years, apart from his oratorical genius, is seeing his gradual but steady move towards God. He seeks truth unapologetically, and that is where Truth resides.

[@davidmatthews3286]

Loved this intelligent discussion/interview. The only negative thing I’d say is that Jordan does far too much interrupting and talking over Andrew. It was, however, a brilliant time.

[@art-hadis]

I love what Dr. Peterson said about artists. I am an artist and sometimes I feel ashamed of being an artist and I can't understand why artists support this ideology.

[@criticalcommenter]

Because most artists fail and they need someone to blame for that. That's why they are easily manipulated.

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

most artists are very left-brained (literally, not necessarily left wing) so don't in fact use their reason much, not with things that provoke an emotional reaction, which they are much more equipped to handle and perceive. I am an artist too, but also a scientist - physics specifically. A balance is what you need, even if it might cost you a bit of that crazy unfettered creativity. I suspect you're much the same, since you're here listening to the good doctor :)

[@criticalcommenter]

@@BurghezulDjentilom absolute gibberish. Where do you get this nonsense?

[@free2beemee]

@@criticalcommenter🙄

[@criticalcommenter]

@@free2beemee good input. Can't even tell what you are upset about

[@justjamie7577]

Privileged people have to claim victimhood in order to assuage their guilt and to convince the marginalized people to not harm or take from them.

[@sassduffin4274]

Listening intently, finding myself nodding, stroking my chin in thought, mulling over Jordan and Andrew's words with a sense of deep gratitude for this provocative conversation. I found myself stepping through a mental door way into a room that contains history, present, and potential future paused in a keen breath yet to come. I was shocked by how, but deep down not surprised, homosexuality is being used as a wave for the woke to surf upon. I laughed at the cat and the moon with its tickle of children's bed time stories. What a collection of thoughts that ignited so many emotions, you could not have created a better story. The path to self discovery for all and each of us, is complicated, beautiful, traumatic, delusional, funny, self inflicting whilst bringing forth our greatest endeavour to find our light in the darkness we create. Breathing in our oneness to find our together. God, Allah, All That Is, EO, The Universe: which name sits with any and all of us.....is everything. The delight of our times is too see our mistakes, our consequences of closeted children who have been brought up in front of screens, distant from the animals, the seasons, the physics of life and death....we see and feel the results of the full fridge, the immediate gratification, the absolute comfort of our cushions and duvet. It feels the feminine has provided the opportunity to be born away from this immediate scoffing and warmth into the masculine deconstruction of what was working- religious control, lawful obedience, the black and white, the swinging pendulum of extreme. As we are born into the discovery of colour, of unity- feminine and masculine, of compassion which includes the understanding that yes life hurts but you are supported in your choice to pick your self up and face your self to become a higher developed human, to be able to empathise with each other and not denie our painful growth but to hold kindly each other as we all move through our darkness into the light of our understanding. We can thank this time, laugh at its ludicrous - ness to discover how creative we are, in unison to look within and find that we are and everything is God, Allah, All That Is, EO, The Universe. Bless you All, most beautiful, wonderful, staggering and amazing human beings, We All Are........

[@user-wm7bv9ev3d]

Justice. For all. Equal opportunity to get ahead. Meaning those who work hard are honest and keep improving their skills and abilities should be able to prosper. Not being punished.That is what I believe in and labor towards.

[@MikeWalker]

What a brilliant conversation. Ask each other questions. Listen to each other. Challenge each other. In the spirit of shared dialogue. Thank you both. Wonderful.

[@fifidownunda]

Such a wonderful conversation! Thank you to you both 🙏 The importance of great art in all of its forms shouldn't be undervalued. This has been somewhat lost in modern western culture . . . the potential outcome is devastating.

[@cantasar3212]

Dear Dr. Peterson, I'm from Hatay, a city shattered by an earthquake. I've lost over 100 loved ones, and we're struggling to cope. Your teachings have been my anchor, helping me improve my life for long years. But now, facing this immense tragedy, I'm lost and unable to help myself or my community. I desperately need your guidance to regain clarity and function effectively. Sincerely, Can Tasar

[@julieconnard4372]

Hello Can - how are you and your city doing now?

[@fraolgirma2597]

I heard people saying the left and right have become meaningless and It always confused me but after watching Andrew Doyle I'm even more confused at the same time have gained clarity

[@Silvia_Knows_horses]

Thank you for your clarity and insights. You and your guests are a shining light in this darkness

[@dalelerette206]

The light shines in the darkness but the darkness has not overcome it. Saint Augustine was one of the big ones who pointed to this passage in Genesis 3: 3-5 as talking about the fall of the Adversary. And many theologians felt the devil, "the bearer of light", was trying to outshine God. If one trying to outshine the Lord then they are trying to become (or replace) the Lord's reflection.

[@dmonmaney7153]

Starting a discussion, working through differences in thought, and then continuing to explore the twists and turns is so enlighteming. Best way to start the day!

[@bonniehamilton2147]

I have looked up to Dr. Peterson for a long time, he has my support, but I have a new admiration for Andrew Doyle....God speed my friends.

[@metgirl5429]

Not only lack of courage But not believing it what is happening ….. To afraid to see it …. In my own family it’s incredible !

[@stevenkeith9249]

Being Schizoid Personality, I just can't make myself care that much, as I'm emotionally blunted. I don't support this woke drivel, but even if it destroys society & civilization is reduced to smoking ruins, so be it. Unless there is some substantive counter movement, your solitary voice, or "Speaking Up" won't make a bit of difference, neither will youtube commentary, or criticisms. Until that situation changes significantly you realize becoming so emotionally invested in this cultural culmination of the radical leftist's ideological pinnacle of madness, to everyone's detriment is unnecessarily contributing to people's stress & mental illness. Accept it and also accept that you're shouting in the wind, ineffectually. Like the Behavioral Sink Rat Utopia experiments where all of the rat's needs were provided without limit, resulting in the entire group of rats going insane, female rats abandoned their young. They stopped breeding, and wouldn't even eat normally. It ended with them going extinct. It is the same for humans and we will too. The rats every need was provided for, living in an environment of abundance, safely housed in an area with unlimited space. This is an antithetical way of life, which pollutes the gene pool, as it cheats the Darwinian Struggle, Survival of the Fittest of Natural Selection - Nature itself negating all notions of "Equality" or especially tyrannical "Egalitarianism.". They needed predators, diseases plaguing them, a lack of food. And so do we. Misery, suffering, & calamity brings out the best in human beings, resulting in strong tribal cohesion, restraint, altruism, perseverance, deferral of gratification, and homogeneity. Natural Selection culling the weak and feeble, the psychologically afflicted, like me, who couldn't have survived outside of the unnatural western civilizations, it's peak of Utopian abundance. As Douglas Murray wrote of in his book, "The Strange Death of Europe", the inability of Europe to defend its values, traditions, and legacy as the root cause of Europe's decline. He described Western people as, "Tired". We are consistently below even replacement levels of birthrates, meandering through our tedious, boring lives, nihilistic, hedonistic, and a decline into complete decadence. Unfettered "Freedom" & "Liberty" without restraint. Liberalism fully realized. The west has been on the path of extinction. This is an entropic deathspiral. Utopias result in the death of the human spirit. Let things play out to conclusion, as they must. People should simply divest themselves of emotional stressing in perpetuity, as it's almost entirely out of our hands and if the worst should happen, well what a time to be alive. I never imagined I'd one day observe the world in such a state of chaos and lunacy, remarkable and what a grand finale to my life. Not as our lives were before Covid - our rat utopia, everyone sleepwalking through our monotonous, meaningless lives, taking life for granted. "Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." -Friedrich Nietzsche "Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more; it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

[@honeykira8210]

Another great and refreshing interview! Thank you, Dr. Peterson and author Andrew Doyle! ❤️ 🇨🇦 ❤️

[@marcusaxel3425]

I like 12 step programs. For an atheist or agnostic, they're challenged with believing in something bigger than themselves even if it's not a deity. For Andrew it might be the arts, for someone else it might be the scientific method or raising children. Using any number of frameworks to challenge the narcissistic ego of an addict. Believing that the collective wisdom of a 12 step group is greater than the wisdom of an individual can be enough of a challenge to evoke positive change. Just admitting that we don't have all of the answers is a good start for a life of recovery. The Woke fundamentalists haven't bottomed out yet and they're determined to take society down with them. As Jordan Hall has said, one of the most important things we can do right now is figuring out truth from fiction for ourselves.

[@chrissparrowhawk]

I do so enjoy the podcasts where Dr Peterson is so deep into the present whilst mulling over the just discussed and at the same time looking toward the next. He was like this with Vervaeke a while ago and I think he and Doyle will become fast friends. They just think at the same speed and at the same level and as neither are a pushover, enriching each other is inevitable! They will speak many times I’m sure.

[@matthewdavis3421]

Around the 52 min mark, when talking about the Salem witch trials, Doyle noted that the more intelligent members of the community didn't refute the girls screaming witches. This was correlated to how the more intelligent get caught up in the woke religion. It made me realize something about both these scenarios. The more intelligent members of the community are being ruled by fear, both back then and now. Back then, if the judges and leaders had not gone along with it, they'd be next accused of witchcraft. Now, we all know how canceling people works. It's like poetry. It rhymes.