Do Kids Need a Mom and a Dad? Queer vs Conservative Parents | Middle Ground

[@kcarter142]

Aldo saying that kids are better off being orphans than in a household with 2 same gender parents is the most wild take I've ever heard. WILD

[@ripztubig4457]

He had a lot of wild takes tbh. He looks and talks like a young Charlie Kirk

[@bald_flop8063]

He’s a bad person

[@gigachad1021]

Based

[@rocknroll1973]

Must have been the guy I was arguing with in a comments section about abortion. Said the same thing

[@tinaou5399]

He is wrong 😢 he knows nothing

[@daphnesdumpster]

it's so hard to not have a bias towards one group when the other is so insufferable 💀💀

[@olivebwu7285]

Fr, like mike was so bullheaded in such a diverse situation where other people would explain their experiences and still be brushed off by him. Elizabeth was explaining how her parents were the best that she could ask for and how she had trauma from people saying otherwise just because of their sexuality, and mike was just not listening and chose to stick his considerably inconsiderate ground, being disrespectful to Elizabeth and the argument itself.

[@TheShockingShane]

It's kinda sad that people liking this have no idea which side you're referring to. Because I can definitely see either side's far leaning psychos saying this about the other. "Omg I had to sit and listen to a person with a different view's argument without me being able to yell over them and assert my dominance?!?! INSUFFERABLE!" Understanding and listening to a belief that isn't yours and understanding it is the literal peak of wisdom. And if you can't do that them you don't deserve a voice in the debate.

[@GuyDubb]

@@TheShockingShane was bouta say both groups got some crazy mf

[@bblizzy4141]

Ik the queer side made no sense

[@BarbieThee]

@@bblizzy4141 why can’t ppl just have different views 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@slangoognals]

Her throwing the "You don't feel bad because you dont know what you're missing!" back in his face and him immediately backtracking, amazing. "That's not what we're talking about" It's EXACTLY what you're talking about actually

[@nmikk10]

Sure I have a specific relationship with my mother but I gained nothing from having a father. He could've been any other male figure in my life. The last time I had a real deep conversation with him was him calling me on the phone telling me that mom was upset because I had LGBT content on my Facebook. He told me to take it off and when I refused he got angrier and angrier. I know he disapproved of my sexuality but we've yet to have an actual conversation in over a year about if he has changed simply because he doesn't reach out. A parent is supposed to be there for their child and he wasn't.

[@colepuleo6809]

THANK YOU!!!

[@Tacos18]

​@@nmikk10He put a roof over your head and you disrespected him.

[@macx3r0]

​@nmikk10 that's exactly the point. Your dad was there but he was not a father. He clearly didn't do what he was supposed to

[@nathanaelwaters2509]

​@@macx3r0 then anyone can be a father lol

[@claraistanbouli7820]

“Data and statistics mean nothing to me” “ I don’t care about studies” don’t show up to a debate then

[@Osiris_Drake]

Homeboy really said “I don’t believe science is a real thing, actually”

[@russellhumphrey5209]

I mean he was clearly defensive but if you call the clearly agenda driven papers with massive corruption (how many researches got caught lying this year?) and unfathomable reproducability problems "science" then you are just as bigoted as that man's statement.

[@loveisthekey7]

Ignorant af...

[@artsandstuffo4564]

It’s weird bc lots of studies are bias depending on who’s running the test

[@yaelguasch6472]

bro probably has dyscalculia, can’t handle all those big numbers lol

[@Libby78]

Imagine growing up in a wonderful, loving family and then being told by grown adults that your family is wrong and you deserved better.

[@cungzjohnjohn122]

Often times those people have broken families themselves and they are jsut trying to project inorder for them to feel better about themselves.

[@AC-zw2ck]

The very same grown adults who have strained relationships with their OWN parents.

[@Chocokitty57]

Deadass!

[@LoveOneLoveAll24]

Say it louder for the people in the back💯🗣

[@HF-tj8db]

Imagine all of that, but the people berating you for your parenting openly admit to hitting their young children, clearly models of perfect parenting

[@rw5763]

i like how the conservatives tell Elizabeth that she’s missing something by not having a mother and shame her for it and then keep talking about how terrible their own straight parents were

[@pluto545]

Conservative parenting at its finest. The draconian methods are unnecessary and a bit cruel.

[@leedarren7022]

I disagree cuz I watched the whole debate and never have I found a single person on this panel shaming her for not having a mother. All they said is that she lacks the bond between a mother and her which is not the negative thing.

[@rw5763]

@@leedarren7022 they made her cry. that’s enough for shaming in my books.

[@leedarren7022]

@@rw5763 I don't think the conservative parents were shaming her. Nobody in the panel says it was wrong for having two dads. In fact, she even admitted that nobody said her family is wrong in this room, but the world said it.

[@netoobioha6317]

@@rw5763 y’all so soft it’s embarrassing atp it’s a argument which they don’t have to agree in they weren’t attacking her as a person

[@GotMyLegs]

Sex Ed saved my life. My parents didn't teach me anything. Sex ed taught me to protect myself from a molester in elementary school.

[@kstar1489]

I’m so glad you could protect yourself!

[@Goddess1Gamer]

Exactly. Sex Ed taught me about the effects of alcohol on the heart, what STDs looked like, how to properly use a condom and definitely kept me safe!

[@lenoraxoxo1820]

No one brought up the fact that there are thousands of kids in foster care with no parents. I bet they would love any parent(s) male, female whatever. Children need strong parents period.

[@Girlhead]

Exactly.

[@xlifexwithxlithiumx]

the AUDACITY of them telling a woman that shes missing out on a mother after she REPEATEDLY said she didnt, and them forcing their views on her is just INSANE

[@froggie0ribbit592]

She was literally CRYING and telling them that people gave her that insecurity of her loving family and Carmen STILL denied that anything they said was related to it. WTF!

[@Jumpoable]

That's "conservatives" for you. They will literally CONSERVE their own limited world view at all costs. Who cares what this other lifestyle or belief system is?!?

[@shelfwarrior42]

@@avivashalom They were literally sitting there telling her how she should feel, like how she was feeling was not valid. If SHE feels that she didn’t miss out on anything, there is no reason for them to tell her that she is. That makes absolutely no sense and you are just as bad as them if you think that’s okay.

[@okuyiosa]

@@avivashalom how tf you gone have a disagreement about how somebody feels? Not everything is debatable…💀

[@daan260]

@@okuyiosa because her feelings doesn’t necessarily represent reality. Just because you feel a certain way about something doesn’t make it true.

[@meganrowley]

Sex education isn’t just about the act itself. It’s about pregnancy, STDs, all body parts are normal and most importantly CONSENT

[@dimitrioschristou4058]

👍👍👍

[@palermowii]

So you want children to be taught to consent. OK groomer.

[@ravichandrakumarchouturi5571]

Last one is questionable is it related to the topic

[@o_o-lj1ym]

Exactly. The recent pushback from conservatives against sex Ed is so so concerning.

[@bw2532]

@@ravichandrakumarchouturi5571 consent is very much necessary as part of sex ed. Sex without consent is rape. Without conversation about consent, this is where we get cases of marital rape where people think their marriage partner is obligated to have sex with them, when they want. Consent is very much necessary.

[@JordanIdk]

Here in Scotland, if you smack your child, you catch a charge. No excuses. The idea that smacking an adult is an assault charge but smacking your child is fine, is ridiculous. If you have to resort to smacking your child, you've already failed as a parent.

[@Pierre-LucTremblay]

By seeing all that new generation of little gremlins who are rude, disrespectful, aggressive and stubborn (the number of children like that exploded with the more liberal parenting), I have no choice to notice the comprehensive parental approach failed miserably. Children were wayyyy more polite and educated in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Now they are demons! So spanking definitely worked

[@amesJ-x5i]

Nah

[@zzrizzz]

@@amesJ-x5iyah

[@nedajenyap]

It’s called learning a lesson. If the kid is disobedient, paddle their rear end. They’ll be less likely to do that again.

[@qorymij37]

​@@nedajenyap Look, my grandpa used a paddle, hands, belt usually, and it did not make me act better. If anything, it made me act worse, cuz I was thinking "if he hurt me why I listen to him?"

[@brinnthehuman]

I'm so confused about the guy saying that being raised by a single mom was hard because he didn't have a father around to tell him that women are valuable people with their own thoughts, etc. Like... did you not learn that from knowing your mother? I don't understand.

[@brinnthehuman]

He said he was raised by a single mother and that his father wasn't there, but then later says that he has a great relationship with his father and that growing up his mother never said a word to him... Is anyone else confused, like am I just a bad listener?

[@medcastrophilip544]

​@@brinnthehumanseriously im confused af with the conservative side. None of their stories are lining up. They're just saying whatever to create opposition with what the other side was saying

[@Kxll_Mew]

@@medcastrophilip544exactly.

[@crystalyze5130]

@@medcastrophilip544welcome to the conservative thought process where nothing makes sense and everyone is just huffing copium

[@mindhackz]

@@brinnthehumanAlmost like it’s incoherent drivel.

[@chellypob]

the female conservative parent saying “i never felt comfortable going to my mom” and the male conservative saying “my mom beat me as a kid” is sad to hear but then they shame the girl with 2 fathers baffles me. she was comfortable going to her parents when her first period came and she loves them dearly. the conservatives have mommy issues, saying elizabeth is lacking a mother is ridiculous after hearing they didnt have mothers that cared for them like her fathers.

[@michaelregis1015]

I honestly thought that was the most ironic part of the video.

[@ComedyGlor]

Something striking about conservatives is they don't tend to operate based on what's more logical but rather based on tradition, and sometimes religion.

[@michaelregis1015]

@@ComedyGlor and then turn around and say "facts over feelings".

[@racheldarmawangsa9589]

@@michaelregis1015 And when you give them facts & peer reviewed studies they go for anecdotes and what they "see." Absolutely ridiculous.

[@amandamorgan8349]

Exactly. Even the black guy (forgot his name) even said he doesn’t talk to his mom and his mom was basically non existent but wanna shame her for not having a mom?

[@dillweedss3969]

Mike saying he doesn’t want to teach his children earth science really was just the cherry on top

[@daliyahpierson1487]

It made me let out a little chuckle 😂 what is his beef with rocks, clouds and tectonic plates lol

[@Random-sk6hm]

The volcanoes must've really upset him LMFAO

[@ashvergent]

Lmaoo like who hurt you about earth science 😭

[@vervideosgiros1156]

He is an hypocrit: he's homophobic and just by looking at him you can tell that he's in the closet! No comments about science: these flat earthers have computers or cellphones, they know that there are satellites and the think that the Earth is flat?! Besides being ignorant (because it's been known for more than 2 millennia that the Earth is round!) it's being arrogant, pretending to know more that those who study that stuff!

[@tatttoon]

Lmmfaaooooo 😂😂😂

[@cqurt]

elizabeth running to the stools when the prompt was “the way i was parented made me feel safe and seen” made my day. it really gives me hope for the future.

[@tramarthomas6105]

I need a complication of contestants breaking into sprints LOL

[@ferwoodz]

[@TheBarbequeKid]

Made me mad, people like that do

[@Queenderrik]

Yeah same I have 2 dads like Elizabeth

[@loveisthekey7]

Same... I like her. I'm rooting for her. So much ignorance... They sound like conservative echo chambers.

[@lillianlastar]

That dude did NOT JUST SAY “we arnt all equal” and pointed out peoples skin tones 😀😀

[@girugiru27]

Yeah, that was wild. Also, it conflates “equal” and the “same”

[@KNLShine]

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[@x.kenna.benna.x]

My jaw DROPPED

[@multijxde1855]

maybe he meant to say treated equal, i hope his tongue slipped 💀

[@shannypilman1910]

He pointed out race not color.

[@davebb1212]

I think bringing teens into the conversation was a great move, you get a wider perspective

[@Kbinger06]

Yeah true, but wider not always wiser. Not necessarily this group, BUT other teens nowadays it's like they forget who raised them and WHAT A CHILDHOOD MEANS..WHAT BEING A KID MEANS RIP

[@raymondfeatherston8415]

​@@Kbinger06 Hate to break it to ya, but being older doesn't mean wiser either. Elizabeth straight asked one dude to prove what he was saying with stats, then provided her own and he said "I don't care about statistics". Doesn't sound very wise to me. I absolutely hate the notion that an older person is inherently more knowledgeable than a younger person

[@chelsey7312]

@@Kbinger06children who are actively being raised and are experiencing the effects of different parenting styles are undeniably the most educated on the consequences of those beliefs. In this case wider, does in fact, equal wiser.

[@Chadmlad]

Hey nice profile picture

[@Jreaddy]

I mean, they where rite, she did miss out on having a mother, she just doesn’t know, because she didn’t have a mother.

[@evita2989]

Aldo really said “ I believe children have rights” while literally agreeing that they can’t have boundaries 2 seconds prior💀

[@cashbenwick2840]

Pretty sure he was just explaining how a parents job is to guide their children through life and teach them things that will make life easier

[@zoeevans543]

They are different things.

[@zoeevans543]

@@KarlSnarks Aldo, I see your point. Austin and Carmen weren't bad though.

[@shadowspoon192]

@@KarlSnarks you're fully standing behind glass while in a battlefield. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but why do people make a claim and don't even give any observations or factual evidence to back it up.

[@nmm913]

That's not what he said at all...the context was missing out on having a mother (an ideal mom not a bad mom)

[@BeefyMTG]

22:16 “anyone can fabricate emotion” in response to “what am I missing from having 2 dads” is an INSANE statement

[@tysonvslewis12]

The two guys were just determined that they already knew the answers to the questions they were asking

[@zakariahashemi9317]

A lot, she’s in denial. Do a research on infants without a mother.

[@BeefyMTG]

@@zakariahashemi9317 nah, I’m alright thanks

[@keylimetea]

@@zakariahashemi9317there’s a difference between no mother as in no parental figures or only one parent vs having two parents

[@orianemagne109]

@@zakariahashemi9317 and u should learn that just bc something is considered the norm in society so having a mom and a dad, everything including reasearch are in their favor and it doesn't mean its true. bc what are u gonna tell kids who got divorced parents or a dead one? As parents u should be providing everything a kid need and feminity and masculinity is not one of them

[@ddairsaw]

Rainbows in a classroom…… He made it weird, not the teacher! He “wanted” it to be something it wasn’t! He’s the problem!

[@lopezoliviajane]

Seriously! It’s rainbows in a child’s classroom, it’s not posters of men kissing.

[@johnyliltoe]

I don't entirely judge him for this. I swear 20 years ago the conservative feedpipe wasn't so full of rage bait that someone would see something potentially related to equal rights and immediately assume some nefarious agenda is being pushed. This is the result of increasingly radical conservative media. I can't help but feel a bit of sympathy after watching several people go from "I like guns" to "the queers are trying to take over!". I fully feel that kind of transition makes them the victims of brainwashing. Imagine living with that kind of constant hatred and fear. I feel the hate creeping in myself these days and I absolutely don't want it.

[@KNLShine]

fr

[@beth8191]

@ddairsaw literally!! rainbows can be simply a rainbow and be a symbol of queerness simultaneously

[@Hellokitty_391]

​@@lopezoliviajanefr 😭

[@lovelaced]

genuinely shocked that the guy with the beanie was saying he needed to have father figure to tell him that women had value

[@dapo3538]

I mean if the women in his household weren't behaving like they had value and they constantly ignored him and didn't show him love, he probably became resentful. I don't agree with him not seeing women as human beings. But 70% of people in prison come from single-mother households and like 70-80% of rapists come from single-mother households as well. It's not really that hard to believe that fatherlessness causes a ton of societal problems and messed up thinking.

[@tatttoon]

MOST BLCK MALES, think like this. Look how they talk on their podcasts.

[@lovelaced]

@@tatttoon that’s a huge generalization

[@CR71234567890]

^

[@arilockett8317]

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE SIDE EYEING THAT

[@blackblinkzennie]

The quality of your parenting isn’t based on your gender or sexuality, it’s based on who you are as a person.

[@jacobs3948]

Period!

[@NathanMladenik]

a mother can never be a father, a father can never be a mother.

[@itsnatemate7697]

@@NathanMladenik Name things that children that have had two parents of the same sex that “they’ve been missing out”. I’ll wait

[@ligmamalegrindsetinvestinr9251]

@@itsnatemate7697 A life

[@anotherday-anotherslay]

@@ligmamalegrindsetinvestinr9251 thats shallow and just untrue

[@onyxash7076]

if you dont want your children growing up thinking violence is the answer, don't use violence to discipline them. simple.

[@KitZilla-fp5ue]

as someone who grew up in violence, and used violence and later found out violence is NOT the answer. i agree. because now i have lifelong trauma and lifelong guilt.

[@davidholm4999]

"You're missing something cuz you have two dads" "What am I missing?" "We don't know you, so we don't know what you're missing" Come on...

[@ihtyk]

The way this episode stressed me out so much😭 this wasnt even a debate this was a full on argument

[@Naz38511]

The Queers made it that way especially Raw sex or whatever her name is she was hype for nothin

[@anonymousviewer7852]

No me too I was getting so heated watching this 😭

[@jalebi_baby8]

This video made me soooo angry I can’t explain. So horrible. So inconsiderate. Blatantly ignoring the existence of the whole community. Love can’t be measured. How dare they tell anyone who’s so proud of her fathers, what she had missed in her life. Fuminggg

[@godsrevolver9737]

​@@jalebi_baby8facts vs your emotions. What's more important?

[@jonharrison3114]

@@godsrevolver9737what are you even talking about?!

[@lunarbubu]

I'm not going to lie, when Mike said, "studies don't matter to me" a small part of me died inside just from the sheer ridiculousness of that statement.

[@ThiccBoi23]

That's your typical conservative mindset

[@debbie6526]

Or when he said we are not all human, that’s he’s mixed and the other weird dude is black.

[@lissazap86]

😅😮😅😅😅

[@dude8615]

@@trevormichael4906liberal or conservative, that’s the real question: can we trust the information we are given?

[@celestial260]

@@trevormichael4906 of course you can manipulate data and pick and choose statistics to come to your own conclusion, but the statement "studies don't matter" overall is just absurd.

[@kaitlynmarqueses4542]

Raw is so funny for saying “When homeboy had said that he doesn’t believe in data or statistics..I don’t think it was a subtle eye roll, I definitely got whiplash 😐”

[@user-cn4vk5fj1v]

For the point of children being raised in households by same-sex parents there’s two main things to consider: A) The child is being raised to be a functional and responsible member of society. B) The child is raised with their emotional and physical needs fulfilled. Both of which can be fulfilled by parents of the same sex.

[@silverspork86]

But all other things being equal, it's best to have a father and mother.

[@feelingveryattackedrn5750]

@@silverspork86 If all other things are equal, the gender of the parent(s) doesnt matter.

[@virgobutcaye]

Exactly!! People act like the roles parents need to fill are exclusive to sex, its crazy to me! It's just downright sexism and homophobia at the same time.

[@bizarresportynerd6136]

⁠@@virgobutcayedoesn’t mean you’re sexist or homophobic to believe that if all things being equal it is more beneficial to be raised by your biological dad and mum. It’s just an opinion. 95% of the world believe this. People from different cultures and countries all agree on this point. America is trying way to hard to be different to the rest of the world.

[@virgobutcaye]

they aren't arguing that its beneficial to be raised by your bio parents, theyre arguing that gay people shouldnt have kids in the first place (even if those kids are theirs!!!)@@bizarresportynerd6136

[@larcade1329]

I love how the conservatives who had bad experiences with their parents are telling the girl with loving dads that she is missing out. Talk about projecting

[@AerteMarie]

EXACTLY

[@prodigy_riffraff2029]

I mean she is, but it’s also pot calling the kettle black

[@a.jvalle8905]

@@prodigy_riffraff2029 you mad mad lol I have seen you reply to every single comment 😩😩😩

[@prodigy_riffraff2029]

@@a.jvalle8905 I mean that’s an over exaggeration, and if someone needs too get slated imma slate them

[@a.jvalle8905]

@@prodigy_riffraff2029 you are maddddddddddd omg who hurt you

[@JorQuin]

The fact that these individuals prefer children to be parentless and lost to the system than having same-sex parents is one of the most ridiculous and even insulting statements I’ve heard.

[@petermj1098]

Same sex “parents” don’t teach “love” they teach sodomy. Those kids will never know the beauty of procreation from a mom and dad growing up under gays. A child without a mom is dysfunctional with other women and a child without a dad is dysfunctional with other men. People are lying to themselves children don’t become very insecure people because they don’t have a mom and or dad

[@ajakakakak]

@@petermj1098oh I’m sorry, but I thought children shouldn’t be learning about sex at a young age bc they are children. If procreation is so magnificent, then what is your opinion on those dastardly straight couples that have the audacity to adopt children they did procreate together?

[@petermj1098]

@@ajakakakak Children eventually grow up. There is a difference between kids and teenagers. It is fine when teenagers eventually learn about sex from parents but it is not fine for kids to do so because it is too explicit for them to know at a young age. I am pretty sure some straight couples that adopt children do it cause they biologically can’t have children of their own. Just because straight couples can’t have biological children of their doesn’t mean procreation isn’t magnificent. And even if a straight couple that can have biological children adopts as long as the resources and time it is fine to give adopted children the father and mother they need in life.

[@ajakakakak]

@petermj1098 but it isn’t fine to give a child a loving home with two men or two women raising them? I had a shifty father who was always in my life, I would’ve much rather my mother married a very nice woman instead, that way I could’ve had two parents who gave me the love I deserve

[@silentghost751]

@@ajakakakaklearn about love

[@rae6857]

I am not straight, i don’t know who I’ll end up with or if I’ll even get married. If I ever have kids I’ll probably adopt. My agenda? I would like to adopt older kids, who are less likely to be adopted, and I want to provide a safe, warm, happy life and provide them with a safe space and to help them navigate the world. I want to give them what many of us have.

[@yumllusion6935]

PREACH

[@alimoon2575]

I always say this exact same thing, all of it

[@renbaker5124]

Same!!!

[@Snow_Crystal420]

This video is insane. Them literally saying the one woman missed out for having 2 same sex parents is wild.. then they say let's spank our kids as a way to prevent them from hurting themselves? Like what??

[@artsandstuffo4564]

A male and female household is just factually better and spanking will help teach discipline

[@artsandstuffo4564]

But abuse is a whole other thing from spanking

[@Hambone2k]

@@artsandstuffo4564exactly

[@Sieil]

@@artsandstuffo4564 Either way violence or the threat of violence has been shown to be the worst deterrent for bad behavior. From children to prisons it's held true.

[@ser2952]

The fact that two of the conservative parents outright reject data, studies, and actual lived experience says everything. Wow.

[@RaquelRavage]

I DONT BELIEVE IN THE DATA

[@ser2952]

@@RaquelRavage lol

[@prime12602]

@@RaquelRavage we believe you fr fr

[@Random-sk6hm]

@@RaquelRavage EXACTLY data isn't real, only my opinion matters and everyone else including scientists are wrong!!!!!

[@lingling8046]

U don’t need data to acknowledge the natural instincts of a biological female mom& dad and why there needs to be a balance of the two. Plus everyone kept talking over Austin; liberals need to learn to let ppl talk. Also There’s a reason why Austin asked if there was an agenda behind same sex marriage w/ families. It’s obviously a trendy social concept influenced by the government to control population through sterilization by first, stripping family values from American families. I mean have u not seen the data lately? We are heavily underpopulated and suddenly we are running out of resources and going thru massive inflation and shitty water. This is recipe for disaster and poverty. If no new generations are born after our downfall, America will be a lost country like Atlantis type beat.

[@emmagrace6977]

When Mike said "studies mean nothing to me" that's all I needed to know.

[@aarjo8258]

Elizabeth hit it on the head with that. It invalidates a majority of his opinions because it means he **refuses** to believe whatever he doesn't see with his own eyes.

[@binaryvoid0101]

Anti-science people are absolutely insufferable.

[@ripztubig4457]

He also has a podcast where he regularly has neonazis and white supremecists as guests. I.e. Nick Fuentes, Gavin McInnes

[@msrainbowbrite]

i think he means that the majority of studies have a political bias

[@shemgilbert1991]

He should have started railing off statistics about lesbian couple abuse rates

[@kamiyanicole]

austin bringing up the rainbows… some people just obsess over things 😭 would he have freaked out if it were a bunch of unicorns?

[@everretchancellor2243]

You know Unicorns have an agenda 😂😂😂😂

[@rmcl1763]

It’s shocking how many people are terrified that everyone will turn gay and stop having babies. That and the great big gender swaps. It’s crazy. Are they that completely detached from sexuality and the joy people raising children?

[@mindfulness123]

Conservative: I never felt comfortable talking to my mother. Another conservative: My mother never interacted with me. Elizabeth: I was raised in a loving household with two dads with whom I could talk about anything. CCONSERVATIVES: You missed out by not having a mom!

[@MaxGr33nfan]

Conservative people are unhinged.

[@Champaign_Problems]

Those same 3 conservatives: A mother innately the best caregiver.

[@anthonyl9126]

They're speaking from experience.

[@thatcitrusfriend6234]

​@@anthonyl9126 Still, it's ironic for them to say that when they're heterosexual parents were objectively worse in those ways than her homosexual parents.

[@ricardorascon88]

I hate hate when lgbtq rainbow people bring up animals when talking about the natural way,were talking about humans ??this isn't a furry contest 😂how else a human supposed to be born without a male and mother figure

[@aFriCan_Boi]

Austin: I grew up without a dad and my mom never spoke to me. I was alone... Elizabeth: I was raised by two loving fathers. Austin: Well you missed out!

[@PrincessZXN6]

Austin is so closed minded and uneducated in a lot of different ways.

[@prodigy_riffraff2029]

I mean she still did

[@a.jvalle8905]

@@prodigy_riffraff2029 on what tho

[@rexstylus]

@@prodigy_riffraff2029 Austin missed out on what experiencing what “love” and “acceptance” is, Elizabeth never missed out on those. That’s why he thinks spanking his kids are okay when there are better ways to handle situations.

[@prodigy_riffraff2029]

@@rexstylus I appreciate the useless reply 👍😂, just because he missed out on stuff doesn’t mean she didn’t miss out as well

[@Reszig22]

I have lesbian parents. And if I had been raised by my biological mom and my biological male part it would have been the worst childhood. And when my mum married my other mother it was the best decision she could have ever made for my life. I’ve grown up so loved and supported

[@rae6857]

I have 3 nephews and two little cousin (ages 7-2month) and I will always be there for them. I would be honored if they felt comfortable enough to come to me with a problem. I’m even an emergency contact/on the pick up list for my cousin. I’m not parenting those children at all. I just want to love, help, and protect them.

[@alessshorts]

that's very sweet.. sometimes I wish my cousins were closer to me.. same with my uncles, relatives, etc. but in the future IF my sibling has a child, hope my niece/nephew can feel open and comfortable with me.

[@babycakes84]

austin going from saying his mom beat him for “laughing too early in the morning when his mom is sleeping”, and then a few questions later explaining how he “threatens his kids with a belt because daddy’s on the computer and they’re too loud” was wild. how does he not see the similarities- physically hurting/threatening just for being “too loud” and the parent is annoyed.

[@connorl862]

Cause he and the other conservative parents are complete morons. They contradict themselves multiple times in the entire video. I feel bad for their families

[@Juniper122]

Explains a lot

[@candashiamcdonald9214]

exactlyy, and honestly when he was first talking about the example he gave for why he would spank his daughter and how he tells her what not to do first, then if she does it anyway he spanks her and THEN talks about it, I was like that... doesn't make sense. First of all children need repetition and redirection. And they have no impulse control. So instead of spanking and then talking about it, maybe talk to her about why it's unsafe and then redirect her to something she CAN climb so she isn't climbing the thing that's not safe for her to. Cause if you tell her once then walk away and she does it again, spanking is not the fix all. If anything you're instilling fear, not understanding.

[@CreativeSoul101]

I know how doesn't he see how messed up it sounds

[@3rica50]

​@@Juniper122w1qw1qawqa1awq😅😊😊

[@jennyinouterspace]

Asking if the reason queer people look to adopt is that they have an “agenda” to “prove a point” to their community is the wildest thing I’ve heard in a while. Bro- they just want to have a family with the person they love…… just like you do.

[@empresscrafts689]

its the dehumanising of queer people - it needs to be discussed more fr

[@misschocolates]

Yeah, it's quite strange considering a lot of conservatives are also Christians, and they push tons of biblical agendas on their children.

[@maddiodie]

honestly … grab all your hot takes and apply them to a straight heteronormative couple … suddenly they disperse

[@awwhellnaw8214]

That’s literally recruiting. They are recruiting in our faces and you’re worried about their feelings of validation? 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@vulcanhumor]

@@awwhellnaw8214 No one's recruiting. You can't make anybody be gay just like you can't make anybody be straight.

[@noahkowalski9231]

“I don’t care about studies” imediately disenfranchised him in my mind. He has no basis of logic to me now.

[@dxckymomo2242]

Having two hetero parents didn’t make me better off than someone with same sex parents as I ended up basically being a parent to my siblings.

[@goldie1089]

Let’s make one thing clear: if a child GROWS UP with a not typically normal thing in their life, they WILL see it as normal. They will not be confused or disappointed inherently

[@bishbosh4815]

They'll only realise it isn't normal when they compare it to others who are "normal"

[@MistressMillie]

SAY IT LOUDER 👏👏👏

[@Libby78]

Same with their friends and neighbours. Kids who know gay families really don’t care that they’re gay.

[@rco919]

@@bishbosh4815 yes! and the child that grew up with their normal is not at fault for what other people push to them and make them feel bad for it

[@ttulady06]

But they are human and will see and feel the importance of having both sexes as parents inherently. That’s totally natural. That’s how humans are made to be

[@MayMay-vv9jm]

Can I just say that as a kid with straight parents who love me a lot, the whole stuff about the "role of the mother" is absolute hogwash? My dad is so much more nurturing than my mom. He played with us as kids, read to us, cooked for us and did a lot of the "mom stuff" but he was never my mom, he was and is my dad. He's also masculine, he's just the nurturing type. And for her part, my mom was always loving but she is much better with older kids she can relate to on a conversation level and just isn't the most tactile. She still is feminine and my mom. Like, can we stop pretending fathers can't be nurturing? They can. Stop lying to yourselves. Men are perfectly capable of being men and bonding with their children just as much as mothers.

[@donte9730]

Wish I grew up with my dad over my mother. Honestly I’d be better off

[@MB-yl9hm]

I think that's mostly based on the fact that women literally nurture their children by virtue of being mothers. My children literally lived inside of me for 9 months, and then I continued to feed them with my body for months afterwards. That is the most nurturing thing you can do. Also I don't believe the consensus is that men can't be nurturing, that's the whole point of being a parent after all, but women on average tend to be more sensitive, agreeable, conscientious, etc., which translates to being more stereotypically nurturing ON AVERAGE compared to men who, on average, are more assertive, tolerant to risk, discerning, etc., which does not translate as stereotypically nurturing. There's always exceptions to the rule, but if you were to pick out a random mother and father out of the entire world's population, you could bet money that the former will exhibit typically feminine/maternal traits and the latter will exhibit typically masculine/paternal traits. This is why it's rarely helpful to look at individual experiences through the lens of group truths. Like BMI, on a population level it's an accurate and useful measure of health, but not so much for the individual.

[@emmap6866]

You put this into words so well, I was gonna comment something along the same lines.

[@ecstaticryan4369]

Yeah I agree for sure

[@shkia8884]

feminine doesn't have to mean that the mother is nurturing and the father is not. I think their point is that a mother just by being present will give a nurturing feeling to her child because it is biological and also mothers tend to be more nurturing in general.

[@socialistmapper3060]

As someone with two moms it rlly doesn’t effect our lives that much the conservatives are crazy saying I grew up wrong

[@artsandstuffo4564]

You might just not know what your missing bc you never had it

[@socialistmapper3060]

@@artsandstuffo4564 but could I not just use the same argument the other way saying actually it’s way better to not have a father and have two moms but u wouldn’t know what ur missing cuz u never had it?

[@artsandstuffo4564]

@@socialistmapper3060 you need sweet and salty two sweets still leaves you without salt you might not care but things would be better if you had both

[@artsandstuffo4564]

@@socialistmapper3060 and I have one. Mom my dad passed and I might not know what I’m missing but I’m missing somthing

[@socialistmapper3060]

@@artsandstuffo4564 and y is that? U can’t just say “u need a sweet and a salty” with no actual evidence of that. Studies show there’s no difference between people with two moms/dads and people with a mom and a dad.

[@feelingveryattackedrn5750]

Queer literally just means non-cis or non-straight (or broadly non-normative, in the case of ACE people). I actually dont think ive ever had a disagreement about what the word "queer" is with another LGBT person, but ive definitely heard people fight about the word "trans" before because some people are against nonbinary people being called trans.

[@joecrews1567]

Really proud of Elizabeth for standing her ground when being belittled for having 2 dads. It was disgusting of Mike to say shes missing something because she doesn’t have a mother figure. Id take 2 great father figures over a close minded and ignorant parent like him any day.

[@dansmodacct]

amen

[@yasminmorandini8443]

She cried for attention no one even belittled her

[@tectalgaming3401]

Mother And Father > 2 same sex parents ez

[@jadensarney556]

@@yasminmorandini8443 what does she gain from that?

[@KarlSnarks]

Yeah so much respect for her, it's ridiculous that the people who are okay with spanking their own kids think they know better than her if her childhood was a happy one.

[@Rubyshadows]

The rainbow classroom thing has me cracking up. Children like colors. I'm an artist and straight. I love colors. I love rainbows. The stretch is ridiculous.

[@HouseMDaddict]

I lived rainbows as a kid and would draw them all the time. As an adult, I'm more hesitant with rainbows because people are so judgemental or automatically think you're part of the LGBTQ community because you wear rainbows. I also would hate to offend someone of the LGBTQ community and "appropriate" their representation when I'm personally not in the community. I just feel in a weird limbo as an adult.

[@amaranextdoor]

50 rainbows though??? 50 rainbows! That doesn't sound weird to you? 😶

[@lee_1292]

@@HouseMDaddict im queer and have 0 problem with straight people wearing rainbows, i think most queer ppl feel the same. i appreciate you trying to do what feels most respectful though. it means a lot

[@ceeIoc]

Such an excuse. Put up every color then if they like colors. But no it has to be rainbows.

[@danieljessekaplan7034]

Lol no one in the lgbtq community is going to feel “appropriated” if you wear rainbow clothing. We don’t own colors

[@t4nl]

imagine shaming a child of a healthy same-sex relationship when you yourself had bad opposite gender parents? just proves her point? she was raised better lmfao she aint missing out on anything babe

[@mattshelton7423]

“I can play Barbie with my girls. I’ll be the King, they’ll be Barbie” I feel like you missed the point of Barbie if you’re being the “king”…

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

the way elizabeth RAN to the seat to agree that her parents made her feel safe and seen...she loves them and they love her. how _anyone_ can look at a girl like this and say "you are fundamentally incomplete as a person because you didnt have a mom" is beyond me. she certainly seems more complete than the conservatives in the room.

[@queblue7153]

Ur crazy, no other contestant broke down other than her, that demonstrated how she was incompetent compared to the others. Just because u are liberal doesn’t mean you have to be illogical.

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

@@queblue7153 thank you for my daily dose of "liberals are ignorant and sensitive, hur dur", really appreciated it

[@queblue7153]

@@KaylaTheKindOne no but can you actually sit here and tell me I’m wrong. She repeatedly said how she was unaffected by not having a mother, but yet was the only one unable to control herself?

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

@@queblue7153 she's unaffected by not having a mother, but she is affected by people who refuse to believe that she's unaffected. you think that someone who's telling their personal truth should just...cope when they're not believed?

[@angela8d679]

⁠@@queblue7153 and why did she brake down? Bc of what the other people were telling her🙄 the same stuff she’s been told her whole life that she’s missing something that she’s incomplete bc she didn’t have a mom. What aren’t u getting?

[@valentinanagy4008]

When the guy said that when he gets his belt and jingles it his kids scurry to behave, my jaw dropped. That's not respect, that's fear.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

Austin seems like an AWFUL parent.

[@kikidoyaluvmexixi4297]

What’s wrong with fear? As long as he doesn’t hit her. I feel little kids need a little fear because they are so not chill. Obviously as they grow the fear factor should reduce and the respect factor increase

[@heartbroken6575]

@@kikidoyaluvmexixi4297 "What's wrong with fear?" Trolls are getting weak these days 💀

[@nate2759]

I agree with you, I was shocked too I’m not going to lie.

[@chop9293]

@@kikidoyaluvmexixi4297 The problem that arises here is that when kids fear their parents, they just find more sneaky ways to do what they have always been doing.

[@brooke3202]

Why is Aldo in the teens group? Guy's hairline gives 35....

[@iwillcontactattorneygenera1078]

It says Gen Z, so born after -97. So he can even be 27.

[@amesJ-x5i]

Body shamer😂😂😂

[@gabrielneira5159]

When they kept invalidating that girl’s feelings about having two dads and not needing a mom, my blood boiled damnnnn

[@tightadenadecimal9625]

That's what she went through in school being bullied her entire life so before thinking about being a parent in a queer household think of the kids and what they will face why have kids if you queer it's weird

[@nl6731]

​@@tightadenadecimal9625maybe straight parents should teach their kids not to bully people

[@dathunderman4]

@@tightadenadecimal9625I’m Asian and kids used to bully me in elementary school for being Asian. I guess Asian people just shouldn’t reproduce then, huh?

[@ferrb97]

“Studies mean nothing to me” LOL Mike is insufferable, I feel so bad for his kids

[@nanciee2844]

Lmao factss

[@dansmodacct]

ugh I know!!

[@Griot.7294]

Rare for a Liberal to complain about someone not validating studies

[@ivy2455]

went straight to the comments after he said that lol people like him should not be allowed to reproduce

[@odalytorres89]

poor little girls that are getting spanked by their father

[@sarahthomas9897]

when austin talked about jingling his belt so his kids would behave my jaw dropped. imagine taking pride in being a person that strikes that type of fear in their own children. wild.

[@MinisDunyasi5]

I don’t think Austin knows the difference between fear and respect. Kids can respect you without being scared of you.

[@violetblythe6912]

@minisdunyas9884 Exactly. To this day, although I’m almost 30, I fear my parents, but I do not respect them. If anything I feel sad for them. They have a lot of generational trauma they have never addressed. It doesn’t excuse their actions but it does bring me peace to realize they are victims themselves of the abuse they perpetrated.

[@haha-nb9yq]

Wow it’s not that deep. The fear probably only lasted a few seconds and the kids went back to playing. It was probably the smallest interaction and not a big deal out of their day just a quick redirection

[@joeydehaeck419]

u miss the point

[@ilyasashraf6710]

Exactly, he talkin bout how his kids respect him, as if he didnt just tell the world they only listen to him once he threatens to hit them, pathetic

[@bananaboy9137]

Raw is all that!! Thank you for everything you did here

[@miasilva6919]

alexa is incredibly well spoken, and not only backed her points up with statistics but over all knowledge. snaps all around

[@Just_another_turtle]

This video really demonstrates how you could never win an argument against ignorant people lol

[@avonfettydale9166]

Hasn’t even been out for 30 minutes lll

[@itsnatemate7697]

“I don’t believe in studies or stats…”

[@Calamity8]

Which side is ignorant ?

[@xavlionheart]

@@duckymomo7935 and you can prove that with the existence of Miami and LA 😂😂😂

[@TheNewNationPodcast]

@@itsnatemate7697 correct, in a setting where people are speaking anecdotally, statistics don't have a place. None of us were necessarily speaking truth claims, we were speaking subjectively

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

I don't think I've ever felt the producers feel as uncomfortable as in the making of this episode.

[@OfficialMannyMitchell]

what

[@gwildordipkin6504]

They titled it queer vs conservative. Then titled the people conservative or "gen Z" under their names. Maybe i'm out of touch with reality in 2023, but I don't think all Gen Z/young are queer.

[@lynxk9372]

@@gwildordipkin6504 its the kids silly Quer conversitove and kids

[@fhiyos_2611]

Too many people. It should be 3 on each side

[@Alianger]

Might be time to make the staff more diverse ideologically

[@maddisonmarriott3605]

I genuinly hate the question about if a kids better off with with both parents. Its such a disrespectful question to ALL the single parents out there.

[@artsandstuffo4564]

Not really it’s just stating fact. A single house hold is not better that a 2 percent house hold

[@HuongThu-zn6sz]

@@artsandstuffo4564ok, first ,sorry for your loss Second : Don't take your life situation and apply it to everyone else. Not everyone with two parents is happy and single parents are not happy.

[@goldenpeepeepoopoo3196]

As a former foster child, to say that kids are better off in the foster system rather than with same-sex parents is absolutely abysmal. I would’ve loved to have 2 moms or 2 dads that loved me unconditionally.

[@LenaClaire91232]

Imagine looking someone in the eye and saying “I don’t care that you have two great parents, you missed out by not having a shitty mom” 😭

[@alonsoarellano8324]

He didn't say that lol.

[@oliviadurand2429]

@@alonsoarellano8324 he didn’t say that exactly, but because he argued with her, the implication is there!

[@tinahochstetler2189]

Imagine having to change what somebody said to make your point.

[@ghosty7498]

@@oliviadurand2429 you cant say the implication was there, he literally did not say that. If he believed it, he would say it.

[@mountaindew3201]

Every child needs a mom and a dad. Not to same-sex parents. Regardless hope you feel into this submission of delusion, even the gays and lesbians need a mom and a dad he majority of them had a mom and dad

[@raquelesteves3334]

"this is what she thinks she's hearing", holy crap the amount of gaslight this woman tried to do, she really is a mother

[@Kbinger06]

Damn!..Sounds like you have some deep routed issues with mothers😬 Don't put that on all Mothers hon.

[@raquelesteves3334]

@@Kbinger06 it's a joke

[@fightfear3979]

You mean she really is a father.

[@willl9046]

😂😂😂

[@mookchie]

You mean a father? It's literally a stereotype of people having absent father figures, at least most mothers actually put I'm thr effort without any reward whilst dad's are praised for the minimum. stop projecting ur mommy issues

[@james.hookano]

Ever word out of Raw’s mouth was straight poetry. They all need to take notes.

[@girlyemo895]

Rainbow is not just lgbtg+ thing. She in kindergarten

[@itzlazyalex1811]

?

[@aidandonofrio2001]

“Children have rights” also the conservative parents: “ children shouldn’t be able to set boundaries and I don’t have to respect them if they do”

[@a.a9021]

"And I should be able to hit them if they do something that bothers me"

[@nmm913]

Wow that's what you took from that? Leaving out a lot there...

[@janfrancik6520]

@@nmm913 Selective hearing at it's finest. I don't think anyone in this comment section clicked on this video to get a new view on parenting tho.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

Ignorant

[@everythingviral972]

Both statements are true.

[@brennapetersen8522]

I respect everyone's views, however as an adoptee, I get very frustrated when people say same-sex households will cause a reproduction problem. Like, there are so many kids who need homes, and many queer partners would be more willing to adopt than straight partners. People are so selfish when it comes to that. The other issue is, many queer folk are not allowed to adopt. THAT to me is more of an issue.

[@LoveOneLoveAll24]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@Rationality4Life]

Also the are acting like being gay is a choice. Ultimately 5% of couples being same sex won't affect overall reproduction. Moreover, gay couples are increasingly using IVF to have their own kids so basically they are continuing their bloodline.

[@blueizumi]

I remember once seeing a homophobic religious video on this site that implied it’s better for children to be stuck in an adoption center than adopted by a gay couple.

[@inesarif8497]

@@blueizumi they shouldn’t even be around children if they want them to be stuck in a adoption home ! Let me say something they do not care about children, they wanna take women’s rights away from their bodies and say “oh put them in a home for a few years they will be fine” there is no care with any of these people

[@inesarif8497]

@@blueizumi sorry if ur pro life I don’t know what your stance is on the subject all I know is, they would rather see children suffer in a adoption home then be with a loving gay couple who could give them love and a nice supportive home

[@Sky-kf4fh]

i don’t agree with hitting kids. it creates trauma. i was pushed against walls, my mom would then dig her nails into me, slap me, kick me and lock me in my room with no food. i still can’t forgive her for those things 8 years later

[@sovandeprins2663]

Love how quite a few of the conservatives who said you HAVE to have a mom and a dad later admit that they have terrible relationships with one or both of their parents... But the girl with two loving dads is the one who is missing out and has a bad family?? 😂

[@spencedbuddy6343]

Blows my mind when parents say they don't have to respect anything about there kids. Those kids are human beings they deserve provacy, respect, their own emotions. There is a middle ground between letting a kid control you and treating a kid like a possession.

[@ariana_208]

*their

[@wormboy6384]

periodddd

[@curryascocarrasco4829]

I got annoyed when the conservative mom said that emotions shouldn't have a role in boundaries. Some people just want things so easily to be seen as a clear cut black/white dichotomy.

[@manniefresh3425]

Respect is earned, this applies even to kids. If a kid is faar beyond their years in intellect and practicality that’s one things, but kids are not smart, their brains are not fully developed and for most they haven’t done anything that would warrant respect.

[@manniefresh3425]

@@marsfrog104 maybe you haven’t done anything to warrant being respected, why would anyone owe you any respect for just breathing

[@BlueCoolOla]

This "debate" ended for me the moment Mike said "studies mean nothing" - you can't debate people who don't care about objective reality because it doesnt line up with their traditional outdated views 🤷‍♀️

[@endthelogin]

Studies mean something but it’s foolish to believe that studies aren’t frequently manipulated to paint a narrative

[@frostbitegaming3289]

@endthelogin But that's not what Mike said. If studies don't mean anything, then what are we basing our arguments on?

[@bishbosh4815]

Oh please, it's not like scientific studies disproving the importance of a mother and father in a child's development outweigh those that support it. There's research on both sides, and you can't just erase what is biological and natural and has been the tried and tested family structure for all of human history

[@innitbruv-lascocomics9910]

@@endthelogin But then you have no source to support your information or perspective except anecdotes. All anecdotes can and probably have been conflicted with the second multiple people in the room with different perspectives exist.

[@innitbruv-lascocomics9910]

@@bishbosh4815 The thing is....Noone is erasing heterosexuality households. They will exist and continue to exist for all eternity so why is the minority of households now shunned and disapproved due to they're slightly different, non-harmful functionalities.

[@alexde7055]

Sex education goes beyond teaching kids what sex is. Is teaching kids of what STDs are and also discovering themselves. Parents are not open for that. Education helps with that and you start as a game. Glad it happened with me and glad that it happened for my kids at school. Most parents teach sex as a taboo

[@Plaksa2004]

the problem of the big guy is not NOT having a father, but having a mother that "never talked to him and he felt alone". Otherwise she would have been a great mother and found a male figure for him. He lacks love and support of his family, not the father itself

[@Itsnotjuulia]

Austin saying he would spank his daughter for doing something that would hurt her, THEN GOES AND HURTS HER A DIFFERENT WAY?!?!?! How do they not see this

[@amandalupacchino6728]

That part really bugged me

[@couponingwithnikita9374]

If your child doesn’t understand to not mess with the stove or get close to something dangerous for example after being told multiple times bc they don’t know the consequences. Then yeah I rather give a quick spank to let them kno if you get close to them this will happen.

[@mastergintoki7]

​@@couponingwithnikita9374nah let your kid get burned or break and arm if they aren't listening. Not Julia is so intelligent and has spoken. Please trust her!

[@BraelynneCarnes]

@@couponingwithnikita9374 so… physically injure your child to prevent them from being physically injured… got it.

[@n7iyah]

@@couponingwithnikita9374 see this makes 0 sense. Let the child experience the burn from the stove if it gets to the point where they don't listen. They will LEARN that it hurts. No need to hurt a child so they don't get hurt?

[@emnall77]

So, you spank your daughter then sit her down and tell her you hit her because you love her. That sets her up to accept abuse as love.

[@saraagdavieiralima1772]

EXATAMENTE!!!!

[@sobeliever1638]

As if it always leads that way. 🙄

[@kmc1994]

@@sobeliever1638it does most of the time. Be real.

[@justthatonegirl206]

wrong. you’re projecting

[@MaxTheDog167]

A responsible parent understands the importance of not resorting to physical or verbal abuse towards their child. Effective communication is crucial, and setting clear expectations for behavior is key. While I may not know the person mentioned personally, I can share my perspective on how I approach discipline with my own daughter. I prefer using minimal force when disciplining my child, emphasizing the connection between disobedience and consequences. After administering discipline, I make it a point to explain that my actions stem from a desire for her to learn and be obedient, not to inflict harm. I stress the distinction between discipline and abuse, underscoring that any form of excessive force from others would be considered abusive. Open communication plays a vital role in helping children understand the difference between discipline and abuse. In our case, my child's involvement in karate has contributed to her comprehension of the consequences of using excessive physical force. I believe children are capable of understanding more than we might give them credit for, and my daughter, in particular, has shown remarkable intelligence from a young age. Despite attempts at non-physical disciplinary measures, there are instances where conventional methods prove ineffective. In such cases, introducing the possibility of a physical response, such as a spanking, is considered. However, it's essential to note that this is not the preferred approach, and alternative consequences are usually explored first. While my daughter occasionally displays indifference to timeouts or the removal of privileges, it doesn't necessarily lead to physical discipline. Instead, creative consequences may be employed, such as threatening to dispose of toys or presenting the option of a spanking as a last resort. The goal is to convey the seriousness of disobedience without resorting to physical measures whenever possible. In certain situations, such as when my daughter's safety is at risk or if she engages in physically harmful behavior, a measured response may involve resorting to spanking. For instance, playing in the road despite explicit instructions would warrant a more immediate and firm disciplinary action. It's crucial to adapt disciplinary approaches based on the unique needs and behaviors of each child. Striking a balance between firmness and understanding is essential to fostering a healthy parent-child relationship.

[@1505yonni]

11:45 was laughable bc i was raised in a single parent household, my mother WAS my mother & my father and i didn’t miss out on nothing. i never wanted for a father my mom showed my a picture of him at 13 & i genuinely did not care abt my sperm donor🤣

[@ryanacey1468]

It’s been proven that a no father household has negative affects

[@1505yonni]

@@ryanacey1468 it may have some negative effects on some people for sure; definitely not for me but it’s understandable to not understand that if you grew up needing both parents🤷🏽‍♀️

[@jenniferhuckleby3266]

​@@ryanacey1468what are these negative effects

[@michaelamansholt]

i would love to hear these “negative *effect*”

[@sadstarenterprises]

​@@jenniferhuckleby3266 people say that negative affects of having no father figure is like clinging to older men or seeking validation of men in general which I dunno if that's true or not. That's what I specifically remember someone telling me

[@Alysian]

I dont know why I keep watching these when they make me so mad 😭

[@Queenderrik]

Fr

[@NiTeNull]

Mike lost all respect from me when he said "I don't care about studies". It is the equivalent of saying "I will deny the facts that are not convenient to me" 💀

[@Paul2377]

Yeah I think even he'll cringe a bit if he watches this video back. It's not the sort of thing anyone would say if they were thinking rationally, it's said without thinking when the person is being challenged well and doesn't want to give any ground.

[@Lunatic89097]

That's the thing, it's easy to manipulate data to fit any narrative.

[@idioting]

@@Paul2377 i agree

[@jalyncoleman1959]

And he’d be the first one to say that their isn’t enough studies and data on the vaccine 😂

[@TheNewNationPodcast]

@@Paul2377 I don’t and won’t cringe. I don’t care about stats or data when I’m having a subjective discussion on raising children. Stats literally mean nothing to me

[@danbridges4755]

I bet that girl's two fathers are so proud of her because I definitely am.

[@lynxdani11]

1:10:41 this was just absolutely adorable and precious, one of the most wholesome things I’ve seem today haha, shes like ‘YEAH MY DADS LOVE ME >:D ‘

[@silentghost751]

Why

[@raynerays]

@@silentghost751 why wouldn't they be?

[@silentghost751]

@@raynerays why would they be? One’s not even her actual parent

[@raynerays]

@@silentghost751 so what 💀 don't understand how u think they wouldn't be

[@matthewfarley8340]

Aldo and his comments can go straight to.... We'll you know. My husband and I could raise a child better than half of the trashy parents I meet. While my dad was hitting a crack pipe, my mom kicked me out because my step dad is a homophobic racist piece of bullcrap. I am so blessed to have 3 years of being a homeless gay youth. Also while my mom collected the child support. When I was 18, I was still finishing my senior year. Still homeless by the way. The checks was made out to my name. My mom forged my signature and made a bank account just so she could cash the money without telling me. As long as I don't do any of this, I think I would be a better parent. It's so infuriating

[@alexmanganas4900]

I await the day that a Middle Ground video ends in a fistfight

[@kiiamarie3881]

You can’t hit someone with love 😳 that’s such a weird concept. You can literally correct children in so many ways.

[@drilltime1237]

u have no kids, and the rest of the world would laugh at this comment lmfaooo

[@iwonthesitatebitch.570]

they're just lazy nd want to pretend like losing their patience beating their children is something to be admired or accepted

[@dorte3791]

@@drilltime1237 The “ rest of the world “ wouldn’t agree with you

[@WalterBFBooby]

Getting spanked when I was a kid just made me avoid going to my parents if I needed help.

[@nyctophillia2312]

@@WalterBFBooby there’s a huge difference between being spanked and beating. Especially if the parent doesn’t explain the reasoning as to why you’re being punished and if it’s reasonable. In other words, yes you can spank your child out of love and discipline as long as there is logic and reasoning behind it. 😇 hope that helps

[@Oberkobold]

When the dude talked about spanking his daughter and linking it with the thought of "understanding" my jaw dropped. How can someone not pick up on how unbelievably harmful that connection is... By doing this, you're actively teaching your child that violence can be used as a way to "make someone understand".

[@isabellevlach5662]

everything he had to say made me gasp. I hope his kids are okay

[@Tmaiariimcmartinpaiti]

FOR REAL I couldn’t believe it! He wants to hurt his daughter in order to teach her not to hurt herself? It makes no sense

[@heartbroken6575]

Excellent point.

[@iwonthesitatebitch.570]

yup and he'll still be shocked pikachu face when his daughters end up in relationships with abusive and domineering men lmfao,,, just like he was in his previous interactions with women

[@flipperboy2754]

@@isabellevlach5662 everything? U hope his kids are okay? I’m liberal nd against spanking but u are reeeaaaching

[@major_trollum]

no joke, this is one of the best youtube vids ive ever seen, this is such a great display of how 2 sides can come together and learn from each other. if more people could be like demonstrated in this video, the world would be a much better place imo. respect, understanding, patience, and above all, camaraderie. by the end of the day, we all have to live side by side, and being open to hear one and another is the only way to move forward.

[@kayleyberkey10]

that poor girl expressing that she loves and appreciates having two dads and is so concrete on the fact that she’s not missing out without having a mother figure and the conservatives trying to force her to believe otherwise. so strange

[@thenamelessjeffrey6472]

She thinks she isn't screwed up and others with fathers and mothers are.

[@billyboops56]

@@thenamelessjeffrey6472 Not at all what she said.

[@aleidalg]

And they have the audacity to talk about 'indoctrination'...

[@luxitos2867]

​@thenamelessjeffrey6472 She didn't say that, at all.

[@ATHTSupply]

@@billyboops56 But she did allude to that. She said that the most messed up people she knows come from a household with a mother and father. And all the same sex 2 parent households she knows everyone is fine.

[@jennieo7068]

my heart broke for Elizabeth. for her OWN life experiences to be invalidated whilst simultaneously being told her family was inherently wrong blows me mind. Continuously reminding them that she was in fact loved and cared for wholeheartedly by her dads and still being ignored. being told she was still definitely “missing out” by not having a mother by the same people who later revealed that they had broken relationships with their own mother is COMICAL.

[@uchennanwogu2142]

Yes it is wrong to invalidate her, but having a mother and father has been shown to raise better children.

[@BroJo676]

@@uchennanwogu2142 Nobody is invalidating her experience. People are rightfully invalidating the preposterous statement/idea that children don't need a father and a mother and she got butthurt because she knows it's the truth.

[@TaeDawgMadFresh]

The invalidation came from her saying she didn’t miss out from not having a mom because that’s simply wrong. Nobody can replace the love you receive from a mom growing up

[@faf_Saleh825]

@@BroJo676 Exactly, you can't burry the truth for so long. Once you miss a puzzle piece, you'll keep on searching for it until you find and solve it. And that's what she'll not realize now.

[@uchennanwogu2142]

@@BroJo676 I agree

[@cindyjoy6938]

There's so much in this episode. One thing i always say is sex ed should be taught at ALL ages, BUT the conversation changes with age. Alsoooo teacher's sometimes have 50 plus kids they gotta care for. They try their best to please all and be kind. But you can't please everyone and their mamma 🤷‍♂️

[@crabken4969]

Wish I could give Elizabeth a hug. Feel terrible for her

[@DEEANNA88]

She doesn’t need a hug, she needs a mom

[@Squishy-ho7zd]

@@DEEANNA88you need a new brain

[@ma_kenz]

“If we’re gonna normalize same-sex households, we will have a very difficult reproduction issue down the line.” Ma’am, the DROWNING foster care system proves we already have a difficult reproduction issue 🙃

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

Thats not the point. Gay couples are choosing surrogacy. Look at the statistics.

[@apriljoy5754]

This part‼️

[@xavlionheart]

Those are abandoned kids that were already born. Try again start with where babies come from and work your way from there 🧠

[@arkatheistcc2353]

@@xavlionheart not very bright are ya.

[@Eskey4]

@@xavlionheart Wow, I never thought that someone could miss the point so much, but you proved me wrong

[@jaelynnmarie_13]

“i don’t care about the studies, studies mean nothing to me” that was absolutely BONKERS lol

[@maiat2790]

Mike was insufferable

[@anoushkamisra4526]

raw is so incredibly well spoken and comforting

[@ShrewdPlacebo98]

Props on the moderator, she waited until the damage had been done

[@ethanivan9347]

i feel so bad for elizabeth. it seems like she has a wonderful and loving relationship with her dads and then we have these parents who openly admit support for spanking their kids, etc., telling her that she missed out on a mom and implying something wrong with her and her family. absolutely unbelievable that people still think like this.

[@VoVina111]

Heck I'm Christian and conservative and I felt bad! I thought it was too much. Even if they believe it, they shouldn't say it. It's too painful. And it's not like she can go back in time and change her parents? So what's the point of hurting her on the fact that she doesn't have a mother.

[@amoredelia9273]

thank you for being considerate, it's nice to see someone on the other side being respectful!@@VoVina111

[@jodyrigsby4764]

​@VoVina111 well I'm an LGBTQ conservative and I felt bad too.😢🫂❤

[@VoVina111]

@@jodyrigsby4764 it was just unnecessary pain 😢

[@jodyrigsby4764]

​@@VoVina111yep 😢

[@salvador3102]

It's crazy how Aldo kinda used Elizabeth's same-sex household as a punching bag, bringing it back even after the topic was over and she had already cried.

[@kyleg2756]

uh based.

[@Rin22730]

Don't go into a debate if you're going to cry

[@useryyyyy2837]

@@Rin22730bro wut😭 the people around her reminded her of the trauma she had been thru by the things they were saying. human emotion is normal dumbass.

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

@@Rin22730 The point of this is to discuss things. Not be a shitsucker who makes people cry by ragging on the same topic after its been discussed.

[@roosy6192]

@@Rin22730only it’s not a debate it’s middle ground :)

[@tankgurl87]

I don't agree that "every generation doubles LGBTQ". It is just getting safer for people to be open about themselves.

[@mrskaga1958]

It's nutty to look someone who has two same sex parents and tell them "oh you missed out" as they are trying to tell you they are happy and loved and don't feel as if they missed anything. Literally bat $hit insane-

[@aarjo8258]

It seriously is. Not to mention their inability to accept that you could supplement a mother/father with a similar figure in their life. Would it be 100% the same? No. But it's like buying a drill from Walmart as opposed to Home Depot. You still have that tool, doesn't matter where you got it from.

[@ripztubig4457]

The same guy has a podcast where he regularly has people like Nick Fuentes and Gavin McInnes as guests. The guy isn't just batshit insane, but also fraternizes with literal neonazis/white supremecists.

[@capitalcharmxl]

because they dont know any different until they go out into the world. sons with two mothers will 100% wish they had that father son bond.

[@drilltime1237]

I CANT BELIEVE NO ONE INTERUPTED ANDSAID "HOW DARE YOU" ABSOLUTE COWARDS

[@ripztubig4457]

@@capitalcharmxl source: Trust me bro

[@elir6405]

I was heated when Aldo said, “We shouldn’t set up a system in which children are intentionally put in homes that are fatherless or motherless”. Whether it be a same-sex couple, heterosexual couple, or single parent wanting to adopt a child; they’re all providing a child with a home. They’re giving that child something that’s, hopefully, better than what they were previously enduring. I guess my whole point is as long as the children are being taken care of and loved in a safe environment, then that’s what truly matters. My mom was a single parent and I believe she did a great job as a parent.

[@aconfusedcookie4615]

LITERALLY. Like how privileged do u have to be to not see that? There are an insane amount of kids in the foster system who end up either homeless, missing, dead, in jail, being trafficked, etc. and they think that just bc its two dads, two moms, or a single parent, thats worse somehow?? The kid having a roof over their head, someone to take care of them and making sure the kid eats,sleeps,BATHES is worse???? make it make sense

[@danielleking6840]

I can’t agree more with what you said. My mom and I were better off just us. Sometimes things don’t work out and honestly my mom was amazing, I pray I am half the parent she was and is to me. I am a Veteran, home owner and professionally successful. My mom did a great JOB!

[@user-hi3jr2sc6z]

Props to you mom! Raising a child is not easy, especially while being a single parent

[@sumarianprince]

Naah having a loving mom and a dad is better than having only one parent or having gay parents.

[@mistuyy]

for single adoptive parents it stems from the statistics on single biological parents. but yeah there’s no statistics on same sex ans same sex parents cannot be biological, it is hard to make a decision about whether it would be ok or not