Judo vs Kempo And Karate

[@FightCommentary]

Big shoutout to Grant Bogdanove for the awesome footage. Definitely go pay him a visit! kzbin.info He currently teaches (head coach) at UFC Gym Japan: kzbin.info/door/F44noII4ep2XOZt1FStPSw To see a previous Judo vs match: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaavl6GvptymqpI Another awesome video on Grant's channel analyzed by FCBD: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZXGXoSrYsyprqM Outro by Wyatt (Wild Horse): kzbin.info/door/EhUu_b7x8_QIlDszsHiM9A Clarification by Grant: Kempo purple belt is Nippon Kempo. No information yet on the other Kempo.

[@chbjj]

Jerry, some timecodes for people who might not have the watch feature 0:10 Judo vs Nippon Kempo 2:15 Introducing channel owner Grant Bogdanove 3:06 Judo vs Kemp (unsure what kind) 6:02 Judo vs Karate

[@Head318Hunter]

If it wasn't for your YT channel these Style vs Style fights would sadly be a thing of the past. So I'm eternally grateful for the fact that you post these because Style vs Style is forever so fascinating. In todays MMA they may announce one guy as a Wrestler vs another guy as a KickBoxer, but once the actual fight begins you quickly realize that both fighters are very well rounded in all of the necessary arts/disciplines. I LOVE Judo vs Wrestling, Kickboxing vs MuyTai, Boxing vs Karate etc etc etc

[@RobWatt]

Yeah, Jerry's channel got the style vs style and the crazy freakshow fights. Also, I'm going to start doing more BJJ stuff on my channel, so please come to my channel for upcoming BJJ journey material!

[@xaysleek4686]

You can say that again. I instantly subscribed to this channel.

[@Eri587]

*Karate guy attempts a single leg on judo guy* Judo guy: *Oh so you are a wrestler now?*

[@randomguitarguy3677]

Style vs style are always interesting

[@FightCommentary]

Totally!

[@donelrico1688]

Easy analysis though ground game is allowed grappler wins ground game is not allowed striker wins

[@bigd6447]

@@donelrico1688 very true but always remember the fight starts on your feet but can end on the ground as far as competitions go what you are saying is very true

[@richardgodivala4680]

@@cxlc6760 The same way that Karate has throws, Judo has strikes. However, most Judoka ignore (or aren't aware) of the strikes, and most Karateka hardly look at the throws, it seems. They both come from Jujitsu, and have many similar techniques - but entirely different focus. Ideally, both would be more rounded in what they practice.

[@richardgodivala4680]

@@cxlc6760 I can't see that you're actually disagreeing with me there! All I said was, that both have throws, and strikes - but most Judoka ignore Atemi-waza, as many karateka ignore Nage-waza. I don't argue that judo's Atemi is to cause damage (although one assumes it could in some circumstances.) So far as I can tell, we seem to be in agreement.

[@Mr.Smiley_J]

Judo (and most grappling arts) are so scary to watch non-grapplers try to deal with. They get one finger hooked into your gi and it's all downhill from there.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep

[@grimscribe6454]

Throws in order, I may be wrong and of course a lot of them are open to interpretation: :45 Kosoto-Gake/Gari (Depends on your definition of Gake, some say that means the foot has to be planted.) 1:00 Osoto-Gari. Looks like he was going potentially for Harai Goshi and switched it up, which is common as the opponent moves. 4:20 Ouchi Gari to Kouchi Gari. Opponent defends against Ouchi Gari by lifting their leg, catch their weight transfer with Kouchi Gari. Thoughts: The Judoka was using the right throws for this sort of encounter. He didn't want to turn his back and open himself up with strikes involved. He played it safe and only used Ashi-waza that didn't require him to turn himself 180 degrees.

[@jasonborges6701]

Not that I think the results would've been different, but I wish there was also a "No Gi" Judo match too I wonder if the kempo/karate would've been more effective 🤔

[@Tomy-im8zl]

I mean you can just watch ufc 1, 2 or 3 where the striker don't have gi against the bjj guy.

[@seanfried5583]

Judo guys are so slippery. They have such good balance and find a way to make almost every fall/take down work in their favor.

[@theodoresmith3353]

As a Judoka myself, that last guy must have been afraid of getting hit or something because hooooo he missed so many good opportunities. Props to him for testing himself though.

[@RobWatt]

One punch to the face drops a grappler down a belt, right?

[@cahallo5964]

You should try find a kudo guy, they are interesting fellas.

[@sirbobulous]

I think the Judo players need to expand their submission arsenal in these style match ups, as well as get a bit of ground and pound practice in there. These big arms bars always seem very risky, losing their top position and control. Maybe the final round was won through a lapel choke? Using the bits of the gi around the neck to choke out from the front?

[@elenchus]

judo's submission options are very limited, outside of chokes anyway. There's really only a handful of joint locks that are trained now.

[@mattb6638]

It’s really cool to see how each person adapts their fighting system when things aren’t as effective with different styles of martial arts

[@pan_bev_nice5960]

Any fight will end up in grappling, so Judo has the advantage. Except if there is an early knockout, of course . ..

[@EngineerMK2004]

In the last one, Judo guy got Ude Gurami (arm entanglement or coiled arm lock); a move that will dislocate the shoulder if fully applied. Karate guy tapped...It's one of my favorite techniques.

[@aluisiofsjr]

EngineerMK2004 , I think it was a Cross Lapel Choke.

[@borticus101]

It's interesting to see traditional martial arts fighters who have tested themselves against other styles. After watching a lot of "masters" get demolished, here are some fighters who remained calm, composed and were not helpless even when they were fighting in situations outside their usual element.

[@lionsden4563]

Well, those people are rare. 95% of these tradisionalists always coward behind the 'its too dangerous for the ring' or some shit like that.

[@wyattbreymeyer4033]

see the kenmpo guy knows a little bit of ground but not a whole lot

[@MrHFam-st4ni]

And this is why you must learn all aspects of fighting. The last fight, the karate dude could've thrust his hips and did a roll to go on top........guess they didn't teach him groundwork.

[@Jessestewart12]

if only you were there to show him

[@MrHFam-st4ni]

@@Jessestewart12 OK? I'm not that good at groundwork.

[@Jessestewart12]

@@MrHFam-st4ni clearly :)

[@MrHFam-st4ni]

@@Jessestewart12 I don't know if you're trying to provoke some sort of reaction or something so I'll just say that I've also been in style vs style matches and I am primarily a striker

[@lionsden4563]

@@MrHFam-st4ni, You need to be an all rounder.

[@worldtravel101]

Jerry I'm not on KZbin much these days,but I'm a subscriber from way back on all your channels. Always enjoy your vids! 👊

[@heavymeddle28]

I have to be really honest... I like to watch the particular style I've been doing win. I know its silly. I'm a biiiiig baby😋

[@RobWatt]

How long have you done Judo?

[@heavymeddle28]

@@RobWatt I only did judo 1981- 85 or 86. I really don't remember because I got caught up in taekwondo instead. Did taekwondo 1981-2000 but I do regret quitting judo. I love taekwondo. Don't get me wrong. But I got caught up with this Bruce Lee shit and believed that the more "fancy" kicking the better fighter you were. Was the 80s and... A bit cultish still back then

[@deadlined1833]

This has already been done. The first few UFC showed which styles worked best for one on one fighting. Even in MMA today grappling is super important. That’s why most fighters train it even if it’s just to know how to stop it.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep

[@godzilladude1231]

No shit?

[@chbjj]

And it's still cool to see!

[@johnbravo1034]

Exactly. My primary is standup but I loooove the complexity of bjj and enjoy learning it. It’s a great art and - basically - essential if you wanted to be well-rounded for self-defense.

[@Head318Hunter]

Pure Grappling vs Pure Striking = the Grappling wins probably 75% of the time. So it's like pockets Queens vs Ace King (QQ vs AK) in the long run QQ is the hand to have. It's just simple math.

[@Head318Hunter]

Scary thought = AK vs QQ is really no different than AK vs 22. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Does that mean that in a dark alley on a Saturday night a High School wrestler, or BJJ Blue belt beats a World class striker (with zero grappling experience mind you) 60%-70% of the time ?? All other factors being equal... yes that's EXACTLY what it means.

[@judoyodan]

Always fun! Thanks for the compilation.

[@Docinaplane]

Thank you! The guy that got arm barred was stacking his opponent to prevent the finish, but eventually he wore out before he could get his arm out. I have Dan rank in kenpo (kempo) They are really the same. The "n" is the spelling. The "m" is the pronunciation (in Japanese) I believe. Kenpo is taught as a very self-defensive oriented system. Their offensive fighting ability is varied depending on who they learned from and their own interests. I was lucky, I learned from a very fight oriented teacher. Our school fought in open tournaments and did very well. Actually, Joe Lewis was one of the systems fighters at the time. A hired gun so to speak. Always enjoy your channel!

[@talesfromthetoiletseat8295]

So cool o love this type of stuff

[@igorvinicius4169]

Make videos talking(and showing) about karate, talk if It's a true martial art(if it works or not), talk about the karate as a sport(what makes it useless), Karate in MMA(Gunnar Nelson,Stephen Thompson,Lyoto Machida) and Karate vs other martial arts.

[@RobWatt]

I'll remind Jerry

[@jonathanrojas7121]

O snap can't wait to see this

[@somerandofilipino6957]

Can any Judo guys elaborate on the throws being used here? They're all so fascinating.

[@gladiumcaeli]

Hope this helps Fight 1: 0:45 The judo fakes like he was going to strike but instead got his grips The judoka does a "Ko Uchi Gari/ Minor inner reap" wrapping his right leg around the karateka's right leg, while pushing the karateka's body to the right with his right hand and his left hand controls the hip (Lands in half guard) 0:55 Judoka tries an "ouchi gari" to "kouchi gari" (a popular judo) combination, but he fails Judoka goes into an osoto gari (lands in Hon Kesa Gatame/scarf hold) Fight 2: 4:21 The judoka did an "ouchi gari" to "kouchi gari" combination Fight 3: The karateka basically falls on his own accord judoka used that to mount immediately

[@johnredd85]

Judo is a good style.

[@Seifukusensei]

All that protection from strikes gives grappler an advantage. Judo has no disadvantages especially since he has a mask and the knuckles are cushioned

[@tsoliot5913]

With belly down armbars you can replace lower leg with hip pressure against the ground.

[@chbjj]

Another BJJ person, I see ;)

[@tsoliot5913]

@@chbjj reality based fight fan! Which is the same thing, lol.

[@salvadorbecerra8976]

Both Style Are Great Judo And Kempo. I Wish Could Practice Both Style. It Will Be Interesting To See Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu vs Kosen Judo.

[@sibsart2039]

Grappling martial arts are definitely the Kings of the martial arts world. Personally my favorite is Muay Thai because it’s incredible strikes, along with clinching. But imagine Muay Thai trips with someone who takes wrestling too.

[@Supermomo2007]

judo is superior than muay thai

[@sibsart2039]

Supermomo2007 On the ground, ya. Unless the muay thai fighter caves the guy’s skull in with his elbows first. Hence why I said a stand up styles are like it, along with pretty much any ground style, is good.

[@Supermomo2007]

@@sibsart2039 the judo guy would do double leg takedown against muay thai guy after 3 seconds

[@sibsart2039]

Supermomo2007 It’s not always that simple man

[@mtower235]

So we are gonna wear helmets to disable the striker but wear long sleeve heavy clothes to assist grappling and call it a fair match. That being said kudos and respect to all of them for working their game.

[@FightCommentary]

I think the kempo styles probably wear gis, so it's not something purposeful to disadvantage them. That being said, you make a good point. We should have the kempo people where rash guards in the future and see if it changes things. Let Grant know! His channel is in the pinned comments!

[@thesun564]

Awww booo hoo

[@bigd6447]

@@thesun564 cowards disrespect people behind a screen

[@mtower235]

Take off the helmets, Drop the top and get it real

[@thesun564]

Big D Watches Kung fu panda once

[@irvinjaycarranza6828]

I'll be waiting for a Sanda vs Shorinji Kempo video! 🍺👍 awesome video as always! 🍺👍

[@vault334]

That was good!

[@M3124-t5f]

The second fight almots looked like Kudo VS Judo, because of the headbutt. But they do teach grappling and groundwork in Kudo

[@felipemartinez1275]

Judo rules!

[@seoinage123]

how nice!

[@martinplazzotta7833]

One of the best fights I have seen on this channel. Judo guy was very good with his grappling and on the floor. Anyway I think fights with helmets tend to favor grappling. Punch at 3:37 could have knocked judo guy out if he wasn´t wearing a helmet.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep!

[@skullskillzkarate9726]

Kempo actually has a lot of grappling techniques as well

[@lionsden4563]

They do but not as effective as Judo.

[@gladiumcaeli]

The kempo guy definitely has grappling experience

[@Iychoenk]

But he wearing big glove So they can't do well his technique

[@happosai09]

Not sure this is shorinji kempo. The logo on his gi looks more like Nihon kempo, which is basically mma with kendo like protective gear but no lowkick (and ground game has time limit)

[@mrd2392]

One thing i like about judo is that they know how to defend against punch because they have to defend against sleeve grabbing.

[@Taekwon-Brando]

That Osoto was so clean you could eat off of it

[@kempohardyan213]

that kempo style maybe nihon kempo not a shorinji kempo

[@fatimaguerrero240]

Exactly! 😋 It is japanese

[@Groomsman]

I’m a bit disappointed that the Judo guy didn’t throw some hands. I mean he had gloves and his opponents had head gear, so why not?

[@ppkrex]

Besides performing kata most Judoka don't drill their content, hence don't drill strikes.

[@Groomsman]

ppkrex Trust me I know, I’m a judoka, I was really trolling

[@Trickster7916]

Holy f****!!! I used to live an hour away from Hirosaki in Aomori!!! Wow, how did I miss this place?! I'll def visit when I go again and say FCB sent me! 😁

[@FightCommentary]

Nice!!

[@BishopBrow]

I gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised to see the kempo guy doing so good. I've gotten so accustomed to seeing stand up guys get wrecked by grapplers if they have any real skill.

[@christophegautier7634]

He was never out of it. It was always on.

[@Head318Hunter]

What the heck you have a stache and long hair ? When did this happen?

[@chbjj]

Jerry always had a stache. How long have you been subscribed? Since I've known him he's had a stache.

[@FD-dg7qp]

Good ole style vs style. I wonder what condition would be required for the karate guy to win. Score the most points? Really the only way he would stand a chance would be as close to bare knuckle as possible and go for the knockout and sprawl equivalent. Even typing this makes me think what’s the point of style vs style when modern mma exists, but still good fun.

[@edd3055]

It's awesome to see because I used to do kempo but now I do BJJ and yeah ground work it's very important

[@mjhonsun]

I wonder why none of the Kempo or Karate guys used side, front, and back kicks more to mange the distance better.

[@canaldesugestoesa6651]

Judo has a small advantage, immobilization techniques in which you expect not to take a hit before, these analyzes are good, so we understand how each style has advantages and disadvantages.

[@AdamEX1]

Hi Jerry!

[@kiltrofilms]

man i love your channel but tiddy up your room bro

[@chbjj]

Better than my room.

[@Taekwon-Brando]

Also when he raised his legs he wasn’t going for a triangle but rather a “Scissor Choke”

[@gomergilligan4374]

I like shorinji kempo - i'd learn it for the striking - but JUDO reigns!!!! Seriously though - this is how u get better at fighting - props to both.

[@kobiesboxing4956]

This is 2020 in which the UFC exposed back in the 90s what happens when ground fighters fight stand up fighters. So these outcomes are not surprising at all. Matter of fact these outcomes were expected.

[@ТеоретикНЕмногопрактик]

Спасибо.Так оно и должно быть. Дзю-до сильная борьба.

[@LinChearReal]

Judoka footwork give them away. There’s less bouncy movements to reduce chance of foot sweeps and getting off balanced. The other styles are more blade stance and a lot of crossing of the feet and flashy movements

[@fyfoh]

A nice change of pace from the usual bullshido guys getting their asses handed to them.

[@9B17]

When the karate guy wears gloves to fight, he loses his best weapon empty hands. Real Karatekas train over years to break boards by punch and finger strike.

[@FightCommentary]

Yeah, Coach Paris who you've seen on our channel trained in Karate, and he never wraps his hands when wearing gloves. His wrists are so much more conditioned. He always laughs at me for wrapping my hands.

[@elenchus]

just wait until you try grappling with non-MMA gloves on. At least the karate gloves used here usually have open fingers underneath.

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Once again Fight commentary breakdown says another incorrect comment. Shorinji Kempo is not from Okinawa nor Okinawan karate. It was founded in 1947 based on Doshin So's experiences with kung fu during the Japanese occupation of China. And is not really related to Shaolin at all.

[@RobWatt]

Where's your source for this?

[@lukecage275]

Should of studied Jeff Speakmans Kempo 5.0, it has ground game.

[@p-medical3012]

Its never a style vs a style...because they all practicing various Martial Arts. It is - who is better at a particular situation.

[@chrisrobinson82]

6:57 a Kimura maybe?

[@adriancarballoza6149]

Judo against the world, fight me.

[@qhurbagha8474]

As ex kempo practitioner I got to tell that this shit is full of shit and it doesn’t work. I learned it when I was faced with a low grade boxer who fucked me up real bad and after that I took kickboxing and boxing and some jujitsu and it works like charm. Judo is good too.

[@FightCommentary]

How long did you do Kempo?

[@sogawa7]

MMA has become a monotonous sport that combines boxing and BJJ.These experimental battles are interesting.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep. We’ll keep covering these

[@jomarjose3298]

At last I saw your face

[@RobWatt]

Impressed?

[@confessedrock7358]

That Judoka vs Karateka was kind of sloppy from both of them. Judoka forgets what an uchimata is and karateka tries to grapple a grappler, that's like trying to out shit a horse

[@fernandomolinaamaro1290]

Who is kempo?

[@fatimaguerrero240]

Personally I think the technique is very good, it is a combination of many things, judo, karate, taekwondo! and I love it because it is so versatile. Except that your technique what you are looking for are few precise and forceful quick points. I mean, straight to knockout, if not, they don't count it as a point. It's more than anything about reading the enemy and not attacking like crazy. And if it is used in a street fight, it is useful. But as we know, all martial arts are different and you may like some more than others. I recommend that you investigate more, it is Nippon Kempo. Its is a Japanese martial art derived from Sumai, an ancient technique from which current Sumo comes, among others, one of the most deadly and effective martial arts. Initially it was created in order to preserve defense and attack in real combat, despite the fact that many disciplines omitted the real blows in their combats, it was made in order to be a style widely used by the Japanese military. In the Nippon Kempo fights the forcefulness and the use of all kinds of martial technique is denoted: blows, kicks, knees, keys, projections, fight on the ground, submission, etc.

[@christophegautier7634]

Notice the the judo guy never threw a punch or kick.

[@Aikunle78]

Hi Jerry, please fast forward to 39:44 of this video clip to see Real Kung Fu kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHizqWCIgpp1b6s It features a guy from HK who ascended the mountains in China to find monks dedicating their lives to Kung Fu. It even features a common day or typical Kung Fu dude sparring with the Monks doing, some full contact no rules fighting... Totally Outclassed! It is this kind of fighting dedicated monks that would be interesting for them to face the MMA and UFC fighters who beat down the fake, zero, even-a-tough-untrained-Street-punk-can-defeat type of sad Kung Fu guys typically shown on KZbin losing in seconds. As you Chinese say 天外有天！I believe most of these MMA, UFC，BJJ fighters and 徐晓东 (who I honestly respect) have NOT faced a true Kung Fu fighter.

[@k9aid514]

Kempo knows more than Kempo

[@artisticsolarninja]

Kenpo is a chinese base style shaolin karate and with other hybrid influence(like jujitsu and boxing. Etc)

[@user-yx1qk4sk5t]

This looks like a kudo match with very lax officiating.

[@bigtimepimpin666]

Thanks a lot for.the video. Ypu should really make your bed first thing in the morning though...

[@FightCommentary]

Point taken! I will always make my bed from now on. I promise!

[@catalincristian3522]

I tell you what works on the streets :atack ninja style from the back with a weapon when the enemi doesnt expect.so I can atack this style every tradițional even mma fighter and win.i atack when you dont expect and hit you in the up part of the year and you sleep and then tie you and strangle you.you tap 3 Times but nothing works you sleep forever

[@davidcdun8896]

Oh, now I know you are chinese, interesting. No wonder you had the song (一剪梅) at the end of your videos. :D

[@FightCommentary]

Lots of Isabelle Huang, but no 一剪梅 yet

[@HalfSight88]

oh come on its so obvious who the \Judo guy is

[@castielangelos87]

Judo guy wear Gi with Japanese words and Karate guy wear Gi with patch :P

[@JungWeezyBabay]

Those face masks helmets kind of give the grappling a little advantage lol, you can't directly punch someone in the face

[@catalincristian3522]

I take a dump while watching this .I yake a shiit while watching this traditional martial arts

[@deedeeramone7964]

Oh yeah just wiggle your arm out of a locked in arm bar...good advice.

[@FightCommentary]

It wasn’t locked in. Come on man. He already stacked the guy.

[@judoyodan]

lol...I know

[@redpilljujitsu9068]

Looks like a bar (razor) choke

[@arbogast4950]

Make your bed bro...

[@rq5663]

In all of this kind of mach the advatages is always in favor of judo guy, because the karate guy is striker and lookinf for the KO, but with the protecction this never will happened

[@garyschick9467]

First of all putting a purple belt it's stupid it's not a fair contest second if you go up against a judo guy you have to stay to your corners second when was the black belt on a black belt he made the same mistake you don't want to come in on a someone who knows Judo

[@solomoncyress934]

Judo the best forever

[@RobWatt]

Have you seen the David Fernadez Tercero one?

[@Wushutigercranekungfudragon]

Kempo guy has zero experience

[@ariturbo4094]

Judo guy wins,,,, how come no kicking from kempo and karate??

[@skyliner32gtr65]

Let look at reality.... when the second kemp guy knee pressure on his neck ...this why is stupid

[@skyliner32gtr65]

Like what my uncle told me try not to punch on the face on street fight ...flick the opponents eyes ... real kung fu he learned was to end it fast ... eyes throat and family jewel...

[@HomeDepotDade]

Grappling martial arts will always have an inherent advantage over striking martial arts

[@rizigen]

This karate, not kempo.

[@FightCommentary]

Third guy is karate. First two were Kempo. Now what type of Kempo is not clear. We might have to ask Grant.

[@walterleone4110]

Bueno por lo que veo se lleno you tube de videos donde el yudo es mejor que el karate parece ser que ahora el judo paso a ser superior que el karate

[@Dwinna1]

Your knowledge about other styles sucks. But i love your commantary about BJJ, like when you said the traingle choke wont work because of the weight distrubution of the judoka is in the wrong place. Those are the comments that ar usefull and helpfull. My background in martial arts is: Thaiboxing, Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu and Kendo. I want to get into BJJ so your commantary abouy BJJ is very usefull to me

[@FightCommentary]

Come follow our page Fight Commentary BJJ. It’s a channel dedicated to grappling.

[@SupporterYi]

0:32 LOL dude you don't even know what you are looking at LMAO!!! Judo does not have that stance so BLUE heargear is Kenpoist and WHITE headgear is a Judoka. A noob nerd is excited for not knowing anything about it and it's pure, I love it.

[@EduardoRodriguez-ks4em]

You need more information about Judo techniques.

[@FightCommentary]

Agreed. We’ll bring on a judoka in the future. If you have any recommendations, please send our way.

[@kel0821]

First comment

[@G.I.Jojo707]

Crappy display of striking! No combos or setups?