Julia Rawson and the Apartment of Horrors

Julia Rawson disappeared from the town of Dudley, UK, in 2019. CCTV showed her talking to a man in a pub, and then vanishing. That man was Nathan Maynard-Ellis. Nathan and his boyfriend, David Leesley, have a very sick obsession.
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[@ThatChapter]

Thanks for being here everyone! As always your support is amazing, and I don't think I'll ever be able to thank you enough and tell you what it means to me

[@atscapegoat]

[@mimisikujui5514]

Nakupenda.

[@Smurdner05]

Please kick my tires, will ya?

[@megatherion2695]

Doing a video about Ward Weaver III would be sufficient

[@manuxx3543]

Any link for the uk haunted location database ? Looks fun You cant just put that in the video with no sources lol

[@gleefulme9617]

Autism & depression have zero to do with being a murderer.

[@gz6963]

People with autism aren't more dangerous than anyone else. Disgusting that he would try to deflect the blame of his evil actions

[@benjaminjais6028]

Yea, plenty of normal people are murderers too.

[@rsukut5866]

I have both, and bawled like a baby when I accidentally ran over a squirrel that ran out in front of my car. Can't imagine doing something awful to another human being!

[@misscleo378]

Don’t take it personally. Being autistic and depressed doesn’t also make you a sociopath/psychopath. I read a study years ago about serial killers and many of them would be considered on the spectrum by today’s standards. But autism doesn’t make a person inherently evil, with no self control.

[@prodigalbrock]

Those CAN be things that attribute. They aren't prerequisites though. A lot of mass shooters are EXTREMELY depressed clinically.

[@MsSwitchblade13]

It's easy for people to forget that there doesn't have to be an extensive storyline or series of events that can lead to their horrific demise at the hands of another human. It can be as simple as this story, a chance encounter with a sociopath at the pub after taking the wrong bus. Whatever the intention you have does not always equal that of a stranger. Better to say goodnight and make it home safe. Poor Julia, I can only imagine how frightened she was. I'm glad this sack of shit was caught.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

"Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of Death I shall fear no evil, for John Moses Browning is at my side."

[@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934]

Sometimes it’s a simple twist of fate

[@keircampbell9374]

That’s why I have a weapon on me always. No gun (not legal for me where I live) but a knife or a club of some kind. I don’t walk around brandishing weapons and hoping for fights I flee whenever possible (so far it’s always been possible) but stuff like this always makes me consider the possibility.

[@karenamyx2205]

Well.. yeah. Do people think that? I guess it is easy to feel like youre the main character of a story, since you kinda are in your own brain, I guess. But ya don't need 3 act structure to meet your end!

[@helgenlane]

Didn't your mama tell you not to talk to strangers? Especially drunk, alone and at night.

[@therealEXMO]

You can tell his partner was nervous coughing you can tell their faces couldn't hide it at all

[@Miss_Wonderful1]

Poor Julia. As dangerous as it is tallking to strangers, especially when in a very vulnerable state, who could imagine the person they're talking to is such a deranged monster!

[@DaveSCameron]

Indeed just incredibly sad!

[@Schinzo__]

She has nobody to blame but herself

[@martinamoskale2445]

@@Schinzo__ The murderer is to blame for the murder!

[@poesgirlraven9309]

I’m so sick of people using mental illness as a defense. I have severe Bipolar 1, PTSD & OCD. I’d never EVER even consider doing such a thing. Most of us would not. It may be a contributing factor but ultimately it’s in their core to be evil.

[@ilsamiller8291]

💯 I have multiple severe mental illnesses as do my clients in my work. Neither I nor they would ever think of taking a life; even self defense would be difficult for me and those I know. We have a major shortage of mental health providers and interventions for mental health. But there’s no excuse for murder

[@tetherball34]

THANK YOU!!!

[@glxssy8037]

Same with Bipolar 1, major depressive disorder and severe generalized anxiety

[@ChristionGirl45]

I mean yes mental illness can cause many issues, I would know as I also problems with mental issues, but I am also tired of people trying to use it as a "get out of jail free" card! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@wildgr33n]

right.........i'm autistic and super into true crime/horror/thriller stuff and definitely would not murder and dismember someone x.x shit defense.

[@derekstocker6661]

Thirty years inside for Maynard-Ellis, unusually long sentence for British justice, still not long enough for what this dear lady suffered at their hands.

[@user-bj3jn1sq7y]

I’m actually confused as to why he denied everything and then a year later admitted it.

[@rodluv21]

*Tirty

[@nealkelly9757]

British injustice system

[@dixonbidenzmouth4115]

Brit "justice" is a joke

[@foxxy46213]

@@dixonbidenzmouth4115 it's why most seek there own justice. Unless you NEED a crime number for something.

[@forevermetal2464]

The saying of, "Never talk to strangers" growing up, applies to adults as well!! We live in a very cold uncaring society and the decisions people make, "To Kill or Not to Kill," it's extremely disturbing. Poor Julia who was a beautiful soul and kind hearted unfortunately caused her life to be cut short by these sick individuals playing out their sick fantasies. Julia Sweet Angel Rest In Paradise. I pray you got your Justice. 😓

[@OberynTheRedViper]

You are far, far, far more likely to be harmed by someone you know than a stranger.

[@forevermetal2464]

@@OberynTheRedViper SAD but TRUE!! Your point is totally VALID! Stay Safe. Stay Healthy. ☮️💜🤘

[@baronvonshekel7323]

If i'm not talking to strangers online or in clubs/bars, how am i supposed to find people to have unprotected sex with? I'm a woman,i have needs and have to enjoy myself

[@forevermetal2464]

@@baronvonshekel7323 Well, BE CAREFUL Sista!! ☮️💜🤘

[@barbarafaulder9087]

Getting involved with someone you know nothing about is very dangerous. Very naïve behavior. To trusting is dangerous. Rest In Peace sweet soul.

[@vivaldagriffin657]

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[@PainElemental]

mike?

[@barbarafaulder9087]

And take care of yourself.

[@MjollTheLioness-o4y]

The removal of her kidney reminds of Jack the Ripper. I think this guy was trying to live out some kind of sick fantasy. It takes an evil person to do something so gruesome. There's no rehabilitating someone that can murder and dismember another human being. He should never see the light of day. What's so scary and sad is seeing the video of her chatting friendly with him. She was completely unaware of what he was going to do to her. Then to see them getting rid of her body like she was nothing is just awful and chilling. That poor woman.

[@vermilliongecko]

I came here to say this. I scanned his bookcase, and he had a BIG book on Jack The Ripper, so he would have known that Catherine Eddowes had had her kidney removed, and he'd have known about the letter from someone claiming to have fried and eaten it.

[@cdes1776]

@@vermilliongecko Trophy of sorts.

[@kaytlynw7215]

Mike thank you for your amazing vibes! my grandma died in a car accident last month and rewatching all of your videos had kept me sane.

[@heythere5260]

Sorry to hear about your Grandma. Grandmas are very special people and leave us with beautiful memories.

[@shoddypockets9666]

I'm so sorry about your grandmother. Love to you and your family x Mike's videos also helped me through tough times.

[@canadiandee6342]

Anyone else mistake his partner for his sullen teenage son at first?

[@truesnuh4781]

What a case! Thanks for covering this ol' one, Mike. Julia seemed so chill, a good human being. So tragic her life ended in fear and pain. I hope nathan and david get their karma returned in the pen, 10 fold.

[@sharenee143]

You absolutely make my day Mike! The way you tell these cases is genuine with a splash of humor. Definitely my favorite true crime youtuber!

[@woowoo2097]

The only benefit I received from my last disaster of a “boyfriend “ ( I use that title very loosely by a thread) is him telling me about this site. I wish I was kidding but sadly its very very true. So waiting for your new postings every Tuesday and Friday is just a must. Thank you and bless you for letting us into your world a bit and all the hard work you put into these stories. Mike….We love you more back!💕

[@cortney3798]

I wonder how many guys read this comment and wondered if WooWoo was their ex talking about them 😆

[@caitlinlewis1797]

@@cortney3798 right 😂 ugh men.

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

@@cortney3798 me. Knowing my ex fincé and i had a wonderful relationship. We shared a home. She had a brand new car. I had my own business. We spent 7 years cuddling every single night. Yet when she left this is exactly how she talks about our relationship. Left her cat with me. The home she had picked out and decorated. The car she chose.

[@kikidani6777]

@@krotchlickmeugh627 sounds heartbreaking. Sending you lots of love and healing 🫶🏽

[@baronvonshekel7323]

right *laugh emoji with tears* ugh women

[@tracyd693]

Oh for the love of God!! Both of my kids have ASD. I guess I better lock them up just in case they feel like killing someone! So tired of mental health diagnosis being used as a reason for murder.

[@tracyd693]

@@millardf452 what are you talking about? Money from the government for being diagnosed with ASD?

[@DemolitionChloe]

As someone who watches your videos before I go to bed, it's so weird to hear you talk about the area I live - Birmingham/ west midlands / Dudley. Keep up the good work! Thank you for this video and all the rest of them

[@tyrina2096]

I cannot contain my love for Mike any longer! Mike, you are a real treat. I look forward to your videos every week. Whilst the topics are horrid and distressing, it’s your delivery and mannerisms that ultimately soften the blow to these atrocities. Well done, you!

[@tonybutler8811]

Thanks for this Mike, I live 2 miles from Dudley and this crime was horrific. Keep up the great work and thanks for giving it a goo 👊👍🇬🇧🇮🇪

[@triple0731]

As soon as I saw the thumbnail my heart sank, I don’t remember the case as it happened but I was born in Dudley. This was so close to home and it was the first time I’d properly realised stuff this horrific can happen anywhere, not just America or London. I hope Julia’s loved ones are doing as well as they can in the wake of her loss. 2:16 I’ve driven past that Pegasus many a time and it never stops looking dopey lmao-my favourite though is the roundabout with the Miner statue-as a kid people would put traffic cones on his head and last time I drove past he was sporting the Black Country flag which was nice to see. If you’re ever in the area I recommend a trip to the Black Country Living Museum!

[@ThinkBeforeYouSheep]

Wow, 20 and 30 years for killing, chopping up, and disposing a woman, that kind of evil shouldn't breathe.

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I didn't find your channel until this year, and I've been binging you since I first saw you. (I won't write when I started because then people would think I'm a stalker.) But now unfortunately I'm one of those that has to wait for another episode. BUT you post so often with so much material, and me among others are so greatful for it. You're crazygood at your thing! Thank you a million times, and I amongst others Love Ya!

[@johnnybont]

I live not too far from Dudley. As soon as Mike mentioned Tipton, I thought “oh no…”

[@Vagus_nerves]

“Her kidney was also removed…no one knows why or what they did with it…” Me: They ate it, didn’t they?? :(

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22:07 on a Friday in Greece. Took me a sec to realise you are in another time zone. Good luck!!!

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Good luck . .

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[@JamesDecker7]

These odd obsession cases always make me want to go into forensic psych.

[@Swnsasy]

I am 1yr away from my PhD in Forensic Psychology and Applied Behavior.. My genre is teens that killed their parents.. I want to research into signs, what caused this, why does it happen more in wealthy households etc... I will say this, if you decide to go into it, start getting yourself use to seeing bodies, crime scenes and learn coping skills asap because it's not easy what you will witness that human beings can do to another.. John Douglas is the best, Robert Ressler, read his book. He is one who started the BAU... He passed but his books will help as well..

[@vannalikehannah6776]

Really? They make me want to run hide in the closet and never go out!! 😳😲😳😲😳😲😱

[@jimmyzhao2673]

Imagine if one of your professors gave the introduction to the syllabus then started the class with 'Let's give it a goo'

[@JamesDecker7]

@@Swnsasy Hehe, I’m a psychiatrist and unfortunately in training my forensic rotation was boring AF. I got three plain vanilla “you are an antisocial asshat and no you aren’t crazy” cases. Seemed like all my co-residents got cool cases. Teens that kill are difficult since the developmental phase really lowers a lot of barriers to aggression and transgression against the parental units. I’m betting signs aren’t gonna be so different from most killers: antisocial tendencies with a penchant for violence/cruelty to animals and younger kids before the parents. I dunno how I feel about material from the profiling community because their track record is spotty as hell and often no better than a psychic. They also fall under the survival fallacy where all they see is people who did kill and none of the people who almost killed but didn’t (I think finding the pieces that actually PREVENTED versus predisposed or precipitated would be much more useful).

[@Swnsasy]

@@JamesDecker7 I absolutely agree with you on profilers! I want to prevent.. If you don't mind me asking, I would love your opinion on this.. The cases that baffle me so much are the wealthy parents, raise their children with so many opportunities, no physical or mental abuse, why would you take the life of your parents? It is like they are 18 years old, if you take the life of your successful parents, how are you going to make money when you don't run a business, you have not gone to college, what is your plan? I appreciate your input very much..

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after watching since the early stages of this channel, this is my last That Chapter video i’ll be able to watch for 2 years. thanks for all the fun times everyone. peace out ✌🏽

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@@vannalikehannah6776 i’m so good! i’m leaving on a religious mission, we just aren’t supposed to watch youtube or go on social media since our focus is on serving other people and all that

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Omg I try to get u to do a new story and you've literally covered everything I know - and believe me I know / I've heard alot of crime - u r unbelievable 😳- I will. Continue to watch u and never give up finding something u haven't covered - thank u sooooooo much!!!!!

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[@LizbetPCB]

Looking at those cops up to their necks in the water, searching for and eventually finding Julia’s mutilated body parts, I was think what a helluva way to make a living. I don’t know how things are in the UK, my opinion those boots on the ground cops don’t get anywhere near enough financial compensation, at least here in the US. RIP bubbly, trusting, Julia. I’m so sorry she was betrayed by those two garbage bastards. Thanks, Mike. I adore your bright, saucy way with words. 👏🏻

[@Youbetterstopstartin]

do police get a higher salary in America than they do in the UK?

[@danielsmith7023]

Police are very highly compensated in California. Especially in retirement.

[@drewv6852]

Cops are the most overpaid profession in the US

[@alrightyru]

She runs a store selling pagan stuff and he had tattoos, it makes perfect sense she'd want to see his tatts ... We can see that's what initiated it ... RIP Julia 🙏

[@LizbetPCB]

@@danielsmith7023 yes, they have excellent benefits.

[@nevchetty6563]

I absolutely enjoy your channel... You are so good at keeping me entertained... The humor is the best... Keep it up

[@lauradierking1516]

Great job. Keep them coming.

[@kodiekulp]

Is it just me or is he incorporating more and more humor into these ?

[@silverliningfragrance1434]

Please don't kill anyone Mike, it will be a real bummer to watch it being covered on other true crime channel

[@aaronpolselli3691]

Mike you're my favorite true crime channel! I've always joked with my friend who watches your channel/genre too, "if Mike ever comes to Detroit area I wanna hang out with that guy, I feel like we would be good friends!" And we laugh about it lol. Anyway stay safe everyone! Such a sad story yet again...

[@MF-Dog-Mom]

Love your channel Mike!

[@malako777A]

why do people who hear *voices never hear positive things? it's all murderous things. Crazy, right?

[@rachox91]

Thanks for these videos Mike I look forward to them every week and go back and watch any ive missed over the years!

[@AnayhiasMimi4619]

Love your channel you earned the good that's come your way!!!!

[@Oceanblue_Art_]

“Ugh, true crime people are the worst” -me, a true crime person

[@indiashante1560]

Watching stuff like this makes me feel so much better about being a recluse. I only go out when I absolutely need to and use my earbuds the entire time to avoid interaction with strangers. Smh

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I adore you, Mike. Keep ‘em coming ❤️

[@sunshsophprd.0565]

Hey Mike. We love to see you.

[@lesterbezuidenhout9179]

Before the guy sat down with his face behind the lamp shade, he must have walked in and shown a clear view of his face?! Couldnt they just rewind the footage to when he entered and got a better picture?

[@kirstywilloughby579]

And here's Mike to the rescue with the Friday night upload! Nowhere else I'd rather be on a Friday night than curled up with a cuppa and new story from the best guy on KZbin. Cheers Mike 👍🏻

[@4KVR]

This is the most local one to me so far. Even more local is one story of a couple that murdered a guy, hid the corpse in the closest before putting it in the wheelie bin before being discovered at the landfill.

[@babber2536]

That was a bit of surprise to see Dudley and tipton on your channel , since i m from west Midlands i never expected that psycho like that would have done something like this , the insanity of crime is horrible

[@OwlBTricky]

Dude, The comment about being able to smell him s#!t himself 🤣 How do you got me rolling @ an inappropriate time!!!!

[@2manybooks2littletime25]

You have a wonderful gift for storytelling. You can always temper the most horrifying tales with a quirky sense of humor! Great comedic timing for the "shit head" comment. 😄 Of course, your ability to work in details of a murder, investigation, and an arrest and conviction in 30 minutes or less is awesome!👏👏

[@dirkydirk3070]

Always entertaining and informative. Thank you for keeping me intrigued since 2020

[@courtneyshamblin4485]

I didn't think I could love you any more and then you throw in a Friends quote. Poor Julia, she deserved so much better that what happened to her.

[@courtneyshamblin4485]

@@millardf452 Careful, your jealousy is showing. If you don’t like his videos, why are you here?

[@erinjenkins4738]

I’ve been subbed to your channel for a while now and you are definitely one of my very favorite! You never disappoint ❤ thank you for everything you do!

[@mxkvri]

i find it impossible to believe he was like that 12 years ago minimum and did this all those years later and didnt do anything like this inbetween

[@renee1961]

💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️ I can't imagine hearing that done to a Loved One!!

[@mercielynmarmolejos7888]

This guy looks so shook up when the cops ask if he knows Julia. It’s like they know he knows something.

[@lb3017]

I discovered Mike & THAT CHAPTER! We love him!! Mike is awesome!

[@carebear8316]

Your input is hysterical here.

[@Sarcastic165]

I can’t tell you what it means to me how much you make me laugh as well as getting my crime fix! When you say at the end that you love us, I get a bit choked up every time ❤️

[@ZDiddy7777]

Dude HAD to of gotten up from that stool, had to of entered and walked to the stoll and gotten up to leave... What I'm saying is that there must've been more than that brief video of him talking to her at the bar!! How did they NOT have much more and better video evidence

[@seandelap8587]

Lots of peope have autism most of then don't end up commiting murder why they felt the need to bring that into it like its somehow relevant to the case is beyond me.

[@taxidermyrat2768]

autistic people are actually statistically more likely to be the victims of crime so yea it’s bullshit

[@carlosstewart4141]

The only channel on KZbin worth subscribing

[@staceWalker33]

hey mike!! i've been watching your videos for a while, going down the line. some of your episodes i've seen already but it's always fun to watch again😇 i'm commenting because it's a coincidence the day she disappeared was May 14th and today is May 14th..🫢🤯

[@lnmemoryofjohnmordaunt7386]

Juju was a friend of a friend. She is very much loved and missed.

[@KateLeon-f6f]

poor julia... she seems so lovely and friendly.

[@charlottedavis6383]

Yall have no idea how quickly I clicked on this one.. Unfortunately this happened minutes away from me and still shocked something this vile happened just so close ☹️

[@soft_machine_]

ha ha, i used to go on rotten every day, but mostly for their articles, some of the best topics ever. RIP rotten library

[@AMYV3]

I’d swear that was his son standing beside him when questioning the killer. Lol

[@Amber-ow9qv]

Hope it's enough, you desserve the recognition.

[@jayltee]

“But with a big Asterix.” Perfection! 😂😂

[@callmejackson4018]

Been here since the beginning and it’s amazing to see how far this man and his channel have come keep the videos cranking mike 💯

[@houseofbammy1481]

I'm a firm believer that if you dismember a person then it should be a whole life order. There is absolutely no possibility for rehabilitation for anyone capable of doing that

[@costascostas1760]

Yeah. A different level of inhumanity

[@inwardk]

Yes I agree.

[@yunglynda1326]

this tbh

[@askinarslanbostan]

100%

[@TheRationalist.]

True. There is a certain type of savagery that goes into chopping someone up like a butcher. Either death or life in prison.

[@agonymouse4864]

I'm SO tired of the 'anxiety/depression, on the autism spectrum' defence being used successfully in court! I suffer from 2 of the 3, and my ex suffers from all 3, with PTSD on top of it all, and neither of us have ever contemplated killing ANYTHING, not even a spider on the wall. This argument is an insult to others who suffer with these issues and do no wrong to anyone.

[@staceysmith8292]

I KNOW, RIGHT?! Ughh it pisses me off so much! I have ADHD & Panic Disorder. I obviously have certain behaviours that are caused by them but murdering someone? Hard NO

[@staceysmith8292]

Oh and went thru severe depression.. I wanted myself to die, not anyone else lol

[@agonymouse4864]

@@staceysmith8292 haha! GOOD point friend!! You're exactly right. Who can be bothered hurting others when you're solely focused on hurting yourself!?!

[@itsruckaswife7036]

@@staceysmith8292 loads of people have been through depression.. yours is no more "severe" than anyone elses... I'm guessing you were unable to work, but still able to claim benefits and spend them

[@jacintagordon2537]

@@itsruckaswife7036 she didnt say hers was worse than anyone elses. What a cow you are lol.

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lol love this. my mom loves true crime too maybe ill try to get her on youtube.

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I was dropping my son off at my parents one day, they're 67, when I walked in both my parents were sitting on their couch watching That Chapter on the tv. Such a surprise. It truly does cater to all.

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I’m a 70 year old lady and I love this channel! First vids I click on.

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I just turned 75 and I am a HUGE fan of all true crime and I especially like That Chapter. I love the bits of humor Mike throws in and I especially like it when the crime happened on the THIRD or Twenty-THIRD because we all know Mike does not say Third! Keep grinding 'em out, Mike. All of your fans (even us old ones) will keep watching.

[@jumpingman6612]

Great! Such a shame that alot of elderly ppl are afraid or can't start using the internet by themselves..

[@jayread8634]

Scary thing is, if he didn’t show his tattoos he may have gotten away w/ it. Never would have thought of him… that’s terrifying

[@DaveSCameron]

Maybe yes but thankfully not!

[@sweeneytodd011]

the positioning of that lamp a was perfect bit of luck for the killer, thank god he was a moron although if he wasn't such an idiot he may have held back on killing her as it was obvious he'd be caught.

[@mamiemonrovia7654]

yeah, i too caught that right away thinking of what an odd shot it was. 8:47

[@Mike--Oxmall]

No he wouldn't there are camera outside the pub as well and down the street, he would have been recognised by someone.

[@amos5557]

jay church my video

[@HeliRy]

Never, EVER go home with a total stranger you just met at the bar. Doesn’t matter if your a guy or a gal, or which way your compass swings… just don’t do it. Best case scenario, you have totally forgettable sex with someone you wouldn’t look at twice if you were sober. Worst case… we see you here on a future episode.

[@wendybutler1681]

And you could just possibly end up coparenting with them for a couple decades. Would you want them as the other parent of your child?

[@lissi6931]

Yes!! Thank you! 👏🙈

[@buttercxpdraws8101]

Don’t treat getting drunk in public as a form of recreation in the first place. (Edit: that came off as harsh and victim blaming which I didn’t intend. I just think that alcohol is a really dangerous drug. It isn’t just the negative impact which it has on your health directly, but it’s also the way it encourages you to let your guard down and be too friendly and trusting. Rest In Peace Julia, you seemed like a really lovely person, this should never have happened to you and those two men are entirely responsible for this tragedy ✌️💕)

[@n-as1012]

she clearly wasn't looking for sex.

[@samking2094]

@@buttercxpdraws8101 Not wanting to victim blame either, but in the video footage she does appear to be quite intoxicated as she walks over to her killer and proceeds to unzip his top and put her hands on him... Obviously doesn't warrant her being killed, but with hindsight it wasn't a good move... What That Chapter and so many other True Crime channels tells us is that are a ridiculous number of evil/crazy people who are capable of murder around. Getting drunk and going to a strangers house just seems too risky these days, I guess it's always been risky but with the advent of KZbin we're now more wary of just how many nutters surround us. RIP Julia Rawson.

[@karaamundson3964]

I'd just like to weigh in and say that 1) I am on the spectrum 2) I've been depressive all my life 3) aaaand I have heard random voices and music all my life as well. None of this has caused me to commit acts of disgusting violence...it just ain't in me! Those are cheapass excuses in a courtroom for crimes like this.

[@sciencenate]

Don’t go burning your excuses before they’re needed!

[@KingFoopa]

🚩

[@MrsStormtrooper]

Same, and just so you know: the hallucinations we can possibly experience are a product of stress and depression herself. Went away for me once I started taking meds

[@annerison]

ABSOLUTELY

[@star-q7n]

You're on the spectrum now Mike Anthony Fosturd from Rockford... okay 🤡 😂😂

[@bovinityleak2066]

After all these true crime stories I am amazed that all the dumb, naïve decisions I made in the past didnt lead to my mutilated corpse being found in a shallow grave by hikers

[@kimmoran4437]

Or dog walkers!

[@thepartysjustbegun5557]

Same, what a blessing we're alive to appreciate how stupid we were.

[@capybara6810]

Yep.. I was very lucky regarding some past poor decisions.

[@_Kuma_]

I’m glad it didn’t happen!

[@sluttymctits4496]

I think this exact thing all the time. Many of the decisions/mistakes these victims made, I've made myself, multiple times. My saving grace is that I've always been fortunate enough to have good people around me to keep an eye out for when I get too crazy. Even new acquaintances have looked out for me, as well as good samaritan strangers. I truly am thankful that nothing even remotely this horrible has come my way. I'm so glad I've changed my ways, because good luck doesn't last forever.

[@jeanaerowley7150]

It blows my mind how a person could get on a wrong train and maybe meet the love of their lives, a best friend, a job opportunity….or a serial killer. It’s so random and terrifying 🥺💔

[@Movetheproduct]

Why

[@TheAmishRifle]

@@Movetheproduct why…what? They’re saying how crazy it is that you could encounter such a wide array of people who you probably wouldn’t have met if you hadn’t gotten on the wrong bus/train.

[@Movetheproduct]

@@TheAmishRifle why is that crazy

[@CovidConQuitTheCensorship]

Have you seen the movie 'Sliding Doors'? Stars Gwyneth Paltrow and John Hannah. I'm sure you would have. Brilliant film where they show a different future if she makes it on her train or misses it and has to catch the next one. One of my favourite films

[@logan4215]

Funny how straight people never have these problems.

[@1killeragogo]

Ju was my best friend. I for obvious reasons can't watch this episode but knowing how respectful you are with each case you cover I can thank you for treating Ju's murder with the dignity she deserves. Thank you Mike.

[@paulwoodford1984]

She looked much younger than 42. i thought she was in her 20’s from her pics. was she really your best friend?

[@DeeDerry]

@@paulwoodford1984 She really did look much younger...She didn't deserve this...Hope all her friends and family are doing as well as can be...So heartbreaking 💔

[@lalaj5831]

So sorry for your loss.

[@yunglynda1326]

so sorry for your loss💔 it seems like she was an incredibly vibrant and special person☀️ i hope you and all her loved ones can find peace and healing after this tragedy🙏🏾be blessed

[@schrisdellopoulos9244]

You're a random person on the internet. Why should we believe you?

[@kendradenise2336]

Amazing to watch how far your channel has come ! Keep up the great work !

[@ThatChapter]

Thanks Kendra!!

[@flynick]

Why not give something a little more controversial a goo? You're very careful not to upset the guardians of information...who commits the most crime? Lots of good new material out there big dog...no don't do that, I like your content and don't want it to end up demonized..*(demonetized) you tube doesn't like that word..

[@flanemoji111]

@@flynick What?

[@rossgriffin5703]

AND 3 MILLION IN THE BANK TOO.

[@flynick]

@@flanemoji111 why?

[@antjobert]

She took the wrong bus and it changed her life forever. Imagine how many times we've each made a small mistake or decision that saved us from something horrible and we have no idea about it.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Tony Todd did a speech on it in Final Destination. Left a store recently, because I was waiting for scratchers, then the guy took these other people first. They were going to f around with welfare cards, and they neved have any money on the effing things, so I left. I got 120.00 buying them elsewhere.

[@richardjames1402]

I was just listening to a story of a girl who fell off a roller coaster. They decided to ride that one last at the end of the day because you get wet. So I was just thinking, if only she had gone on the coaster earlier! Just a tiny decision, and ended her life 😔

[@B3Band]

She did a little more than take the wrong bus lol Did you miss the part where she was throwing herself on any guy that would look at her? That could put you in danger no matter which bus you take. Don't act like this could happen to anyone.

[@yveltalsea]

@@B3Band not sure if you realize how drunk she was or... does that excuse murder? xd

[@rustyhowe3907]

@@B3Band Nailed it!👌

[@LifesPeachy321]

*People like that shouldn't have the possibility of ever getting out...they would do it again, and don't let age fool you.* *Age does not make a person less evil!*

[@ninaappelt9001]

Sadly they almost always get out in GB.

[@melissagreen_]

Exactly, he won't be that old when he gets out, if he's only 30, then he will be 60 and there are numerous serial killers over 60, right up to 80 year olds! They don't change until they are 6 feet under.

[@taofist]

Ehh...not really true, jo blo...depends on the age and a few other factors.

[@kenosabi]

Spoken like someone with zero interaction with the legal system or how anything actually works 😆

[@crystalrosas6052]

​@@kenosabi yea I'm sure u have plenty experience with the legal system

[@b.t.356]

What I really love about Mike is how he tells the story in a way that is respectful to the victims/survivors, whilst also incorporating humor to show how he really feels towards the monsters of the world

[@itsMrNoble]

@@millardf452 No, that isn’t quite what he said.

[@kayleemariee239]

@@millardf452 The point clearly went right over your head.

[@WadesWorldd]

@@millardf452 Dude reading comprehension isn't your strong suite is it. He literally said Mike shows respect to the families! Not he thinks the monsters are funny. He is saying Mike spreads light and some humor to keep things light for his viewers. This does not mean he thinks the murderers/monsters are funny.

[@heavenbertram]

@@millardf452 Why are you here, Karen? Do you only know how to read anything in an offensive manner? I feel like you are the type of person to take things out of context, JUST to have a reason to be a Karen. I think it was VERY clear, at least to everyone other than you, that the comment was the exact opposite of how you interpreted it. Move along.

[@New_Wave_Nancy]

Yes, his humor never punches down. It always pokes fun at the villains.

[@lucyallen9123]

I requested you cover this story a while back, i live 5 minutes away from the bottle and cork, and used to work at the club owned by the same landlord months before. Disgusting what happens in local areas. Thanks Mike, you are the best at this.

[@BunnyLang]

Wow!

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Crazy crimes can happen anywhere. A couple years ago some gangs in my area got into a month-long arson-fight. Burned down 3 houses by the end of it.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

WoW this is infuriating. I’m a very social person like this. These days I just strike up conversations with women, not men. I just wanna talk not get tortured and murdered. ❤️🤟🏻🎈

[@Silent_Shadow]

@@amazingsupergirl7125 yeah because women never commit sick crimes. Be smart about where you are and who you're with. Just use your head, not live in fear.

[@2006imari]

Yeah, I’m from Connecticut . One woman was murdered and stuffed into a wall . 😣

[@bjbrown6884]

I warned my mother, she lives next door, when my father died last November to be more careful about her interacting with other people and to not share too much information. She is always 'kidding' and somewhat gregarious because she likes people. She told the garbage collectors that since her husband died she needs to get rid of tools and if they knew anyone and here is the phone number. About a month later one of the men called and said, "I see the way you look at me and I would like to come over," my mother is nearly 86 years! I reminded her about my warning and how she needed to be careful. I think she is now paying attention. I hope.

[@nickyblue4866]

Damn... I just wanted to have a cup of tea with your ma' altho she was giving me those "come hither" eyes.

[@jessehenderson2967]

Its so disgusting to me that a woman being friendly can easily lead to horrible things.

[@xXxAngelicKratosxXx]

That is a disgusting way to talk to anyone, let alone an elderly woman! I am wired like your mama, and I too have learned the hard way not to give out “too” much info. Wishin’ the best for you and your family, and my condolences about your late father; I hope he was a good man! 💚

[@juliecrane9647]

God love ya !!! My mom was too trusting too but her last 2 yrs my nephew lived with her. But she could smell a phone scam miles away.

[@paulwoodford1984]

Why would any man want to date a 86 year old lol. She must be very popular around her town 😉