The Body of Christ Keeps the Score

[@jodyward3790]

I never would have imagined that at my stage in life, widowed, retired, that I would be without a church home. But here I am.

[@lauraspaeth6130]

And you’re not alone. I’m so sorry for what you’re going through.

[@rebeccamcfadden365]

“By making the pastorate into an office you can lose the priesthood of all believers” I recognized this as a new believer over 30 years ago and was always discouraged for questioning the status quo. I believe this IS a major issue. Thanks, Julie, for bringing it up.

[@chasemic]

September 2018 rocked my family with the hurricane Florence. To lives and properties displaced we gave $45k. We also gave in 2020 COVID year. The "Treasure Principle" by Randy Alcorn helped my giving reason why getting $105k in two months is just evident of God's blessings on my household. God never faltered on his written and spoken promises over my household.

[@JenniD11]

That's a major turn around. Praise be to Jesus our Lord. Hallelujah

[@JenniD11]

But then, what do you do? How do you come about that in that period?

[@chasemic]

It is simply the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US amd abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus

[@chasemic]

Big thanks to Mrs Christian Evelyn Mackie

[@chasemic]

Her top notch guidance and expertise on digital market changed the game for me

[@hearttoheartoutreach4962]

Can relate 100%. Exactly the current situation where I am personally and the church. So spot on

[@DeconTheMonkey]

Wow. Never heard of the concept of collective trauma. This is interesting.

[@sheilagreco3163]

I may have missed this: grief and loss responses to proposed changes diverge widely - one wants nothing else to change because of the severity of the trauma; another wants to change everything so as to paper over the pain of the past. Pausing to name the loss helps both.

[@lauraspaeth6130]

As a survivor, I have been blessed by your work Julie. The Church will be so much better for it. As a current clergy spouse with a brand new plant that’s teaming up with an established (traumatized) parish, the hubs and I cannot thank you enough for bringing on Kayleigh and amplifying her work and voice!!! We hope to hear soooooo much more from her in the future!!!!

[@RobbDepp]

She’s beautiful 🙏🏽

[@Lucy-z8h5g]

Not a fan of the phrase "if it's hysterical, it's probably historical" for a number of reasons. One of these reasons is the history of the use of the term hysteria to gaslight, subjugate and control within the context of gendered violence. This phrase reflects a concept that is incredibly frequently used by perpetrators of intimate partner violence to gaslight their victims who have a history of childhood trauma (i.e. a perpetrator victimising their partner and then claiming that her reaction is out of proportion and that the issue is that she's had prior trauma that's been triggered).

[@hearttoheartoutreach4962]

Agree 100%

[@jrbontje2415]

I’ve shared about abuse from my husband with other believers and they won’t acknowledge the abuse coming from my spouse and insist that it must be past trauma from my parents that is upsetting me when I’m telling them about specific abuse and neglect from my spouse. It’s probably because they don’t want to have to confront my spouse who attends the church with me but it’s so harmful and I refuse to go to church anywhere that is like this now. I’ve definitely been treated as if I’m hysterical and that there is nothing to be upset about. If there is something to be upset about it’s from something other than what I’m saying it’s from.

[@Lucy-z8h5g]

​@@jrbontje2415 I'm so sorry this has been your experience. You deserve to have your safety be prioritised and to be protected from your abusive spouse. Your voice matters, as does your safety.

[@djb109]

​@@jrbontje2415get out go from both your abuser and the so called church

[@marie33135]

I never thought about trauma as a reason to argue over the color of the carpet!! I honestly thought people who argued over carpet just loved their sinful nature more than Jesus.

[@Ruby-wise]

TY Julie! Great subject and guest.

[@andrearush6209]

A sister in Christ presents a compelling, detailed, compassionate perspective for the health of the Body of Christ and the response is that she shouldn't do that because she's a woman? 🤔🙄 If not for Jesus, we're doomed. Great conversation on a topic that, until you know, how can it be explained? I would likely not believe my story, except I lived it. There was a season where it was like an awkward piece of furniture that just didn't fit anywhere. If you're in the middle of it, keep walking through it. Healing comes. It just takes time and it takes the time it takes. Julie Roys was one of the first lights that came in this season of darkness. I'm thankful more people are talking and not keeping secrets. May light continue to be shed into the corners. The Church is not a business. The Church will never be a business and as long as it is treated like it is, sheep are going to continue to be wounded. Here's to speaking up and into these stories, that the multitudes would be healed.

[@kaydoren688]

And judges harshly those who touch Body Anointed

[@hearttoheartoutreach4962]

You hear things like “what’s wrong with you, can you not forgive, forget and move on? What kind of a Christian are you? There’s work to do here, there’s no time to (nurse old) wounds. You got the “gifts” needed for the the mandate, you got to get up and fulfil your “calling” Horrible, unspeakably horrible

[@dearally4787]

Julie are you going to cover the spiritual abuse and potential sexual abuse coverup at McLean Bible Church since the 2pt David Platt documentary has been released?

[@ruebdogg1]

Sounds reeeally closely titled to 'the body keeps the score' by Bessel Vander Kolk

[@Window4503]

Yup. That’s the point.

[@ruebdogg1]

@@Window4503 ok, where’s the hyperlink to buy Bessel’s book?! Seems cheap to not give credit where it’s due while putting Christ in another authors title. Aka plagiarism. Come on Julie, wtf!

[@marie33135]

@@ruebdogg1, I heard her mention his name, so I don’t consider that plagiarism.

[@ruebdogg1]

@@marie33135 when you put Christ in front of it, that makes it all better!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpuskKWbqZiGb8ksi=miwA8kPniMQt8MSo

[@staceyseymour9297]

My understanding is that the Bible instructs that men are to hold leadership positions as pastors, not women. Is this a wrong understanding?

[@sunsetstormx]

1Timothy 2 :11-12 The Bible is never wrong. Thank you for your comment.

[@Window4503]

No, you’re right. While I love this podcast and appreciate Roys’ work as well as the many women in ministry, Christ’s command comes first. Any theologically trustworthy woman will not pursue the pulpit, not because she isn’t capable but because she listens and does what the Lord says.

[@sherylj586]

​@@sunsetstormx The Bible isn't wrong, but our understandings may be. ❤

[@staceyseymour9297]

@@sherylj586 Do you think it's a wrong understanding that women are not Biblically qualified to pastor a congregation?

[@elleneebarrett5683]

@@staceyseymour9297 Please read "The Bible vs. Biblical Womanhood" by Philip B. Payne and "Tell Her Story, How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church" by Nijay K. Gupta.

[@goodguy6271]

Church. what a waste of time. They [the world] will know you are Christians by the love you have for one another. Only applies if you are rich and/or are willing to climb up the pastor's rear end. Divorced, older male? We don't want to know you. For over 15 years after I was divorced, I went to church every week. So often treated like a piece of trash, week after week, after week. One Sunday morning, I was about to get ready for church, stopped and said to myself, no, I can't do this anymore. PASTORS- You're speaking about pastors not having the training. Are you serious? They are the major problem. First and foremost, as Christians we do not need training on how to treat people. We have the Holy Ghost, and He convicts me if I treat someone the wrong way, so surely that would apply to all believers? Again, why do pastors need training? are they exempt from being decent, caring people? No way, it starts at the top. Pathetic pastors, filters down through the congregation, not all, but the vast majority follow their lead. Result- they have their own little groups and basically ignore those who do not fit into their requirements. I've never looked for a perfect church, but how incredibly sad it is to see how those on the outer are treated. Takes its' toll on a person.

[@djb109]

I'm so sorry for your pain. I pray soul healing comes

[@EPHESIANS_5..11__Lady]

I see two 🐍s.

[@EPHESIANS_5..11__Lady]

“Did God really say ...?” (Genesis 3:1)

[@davidjohnson6538]

So sad u ha e a great show but sorry the Bible is the true word and the Bible says woman aren't suppose to have authority over men ... and woman aren't suppose to be a pastor . . Your show is great but your lack of deferment on this issue blows my mind doctrin matters .. let God be true and his word and every man a liar . Wake up church be berens the word isthe truth .😢