Jungle Inferno airblast detection visualisation (outdated as of April 18 2024)

[@wgetJane]

THE CONE HAS RETURNED github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5522#issuecomment-2071853901

[@fluury]

but will it stay...

[@sohott]

you're goated for figuring this out

[@wgetJane]

@@sohott it was mostly replaycoding and undefinedbhvr that figured this out

[@koffi_duck]

dude imagine if we get sphere hitbox + cone... it would be a dream come true....

[@Mabra51]

_Pyro airblasts projectiles behind him_ Sniper: *y e a h t h a t s e e m s a b o u t r i g h t*

[@kannatheweeb8836]

Lol

[@goon5665]

Spy: I hate this my job SUCKS

[@weaboo8141]

"It's only magic!"

[@chemicalcloud]

That's some shonky business right there

[@Halvos12]

Yeah but think about something here, when a pyro air blasts something it's shot in the direction he's looking. If a pyro is facing forward and air blasts a rocket that's behind him well, where do you think that rocket's going to go?

[@cinex20]

I always had a feeling that it wasn't really a cone. Now I'm certain.

[@kannatheweeb8836]

Yup

[@goon5665]

Yep. It's a box

[@muramasadoesathing1040]

BEHOLD THE CUBE

[@An_Ian]

its was a cone but it was for player pushing meanwhile the projectile reflector aspect had BS logic applied to it

[@nubs2594]

Its a cone, but it only check if a player hitbox is in the cone if they interact with the hitbox. But it seems stickies just gose with the bitbox

[@ZestyJesus]

I KNEW IT WASN'T A CONE Thank you for making this

[@priinceoftiime]

Yep cube

[@thonker7848]

cube moment

[@cmagp4056]

pp

[@SkillZgetKillZ]

At least teammates between you and a projectile don't make the projectile fly towards that teammate now... I think that was the reason I never mained Pyro when I started playing

[@the_true_lame]

Man pyro sure does take skill

[@ShinigamiSamaH]

Pyro too confusing for new players. -added bigger box.

[@demomancerzv9036]

Comm: pyro become just broken VALVe: now pyro deal crits to burning enemies, and burning player can't stop burning. Just wait when this joke become real.

[@SpahGaming]

@@demomancerzv9036 Valve will never even update tf2

[@demomancerzv9036]

Also right.

[@MerasmusInSplatSourceWorld]

Which not functioning

[@Fuer64]

They fixed the problem pyro now isn't too confusing for new players but instead for every Player.

[@chr0min0id]

Pyros when their ammo count is low: *”Our deflector shields are down to 50%!”*

[@somerandomgamer8504]

Soldier: *Activating spam*

[@insertcoolusernamehere9518]

Activating deflector shields

[@hrzmann]

Activating bread.

[@Yeheah]

Toryaaa Come on! (Insert Gamecube smashing botton sounds)

[@omniscientbarebones]

**activating evasive maneuvers**

[@CamC159]

So this is why when you airblast downwards, the enemy goes straight up...

[@he3004]

No, it's because they bounce off the ground

[@alphamoonman]

@@he3004 No it's because based on your direction from the center of the airblast detention box (also taking into account the pyro's position, you will fly out of the box.

[@he3004]

@@alphamoonman from what I know, you airblast them into ground and this causes them to fly higher than if you normally airblasted them towards air

[@alphamoonman]

@@he3004 The video is proof that there are no calculations on which this actually occurs. The only likely explanation is what I said before, with taking the pyro's position into account to deal with velocity.

[@wingedbluj1674]

@@alphamoonman yeah, it looks like you're just flying away from Pyro in the end.

[@backerson5576]

it's interesting to see how before the update, airblast had two objects, but now it's combined in one.

[@vict632]

The fact that the airblast hitbox doesnt rotate with the pyro, thus giving different ranges and results depending on where he is looking.. is just the icing on the nonsense cake

[@Wapako]

Valve: We fixed the pyro ! Or...did we ? *Vsauce theme play*

[@derdoctor1895]

They didnt fix shit, only made it worse

[@DZCOSENTRY]

Why did they ever bother with a competitive update when they’re just gonna do stuff like this?

[@goon5665]

Haha pyro go brr

[@just-mees]

yeah because airblasting is a very easy, skilless thing to do, you dont need to practice for it at all AmIrItE

[@user-qc8jd5tw6s]

The things in this video are scaled up for visualization.

[@DesolateLavender]

@@user-qc8jd5tw6s No?

[@slippingjimmyproductions]

because they are valve

[@Unicronicorn]

This is such an underrated channel. You're out here answering the questions I've had for years

[@random_me666]

What I thought was skill with airblasting is a lie...

[@maurofavale8710]

well i mean airblasting a direct hit, a crossbow bolt or an arrow from the huntsman is still kinda hard, but airblasting isnt really a skill it's a tool, one that goes insaney well with a panic attack

[@TheJosiahTurner]

airblast range has always been about the same as flamethrower range

[@SD-zb3so]

Same.

[@rattandragon9104]

Well they do still need to slightly time it

[@thacure]

i have like 20 hours on pyro and hit airblasts 24/7 because i actually thought of being good in a game and practiced a class and built up my timing abilities aim abilities and reaction time

[@SuperCityscan]

Me: they probably made that the projectiles also react to the cone and not the box older me: ohhh

[@andrew2044]

Now I understand why pyros keep airblasting me when they aren't even aiming or looking at me I love this game but man this is complete bullshit come on

[@lev7509]

As a starting Pyro main, I also want this fixed, this is downright stupid. It surpassed OP and this makes even less sense. ...than airblasting projectiles behind you. Like, I know TF2 was meant to be playable on potato PCs, but come on it's not Pentium where if you could cut down on a calculation you should've. What on earth was going through the devs' heads? Just check against a cone.

[@andrew2044]

@@lev7509 Yeah the more you start digging into the code you find more bullshits

[@Hyde-dg7ef]

@@andrew2044 somewhere in the code, you can find comments from the coders. Long story short, their messages are basically saying how they're really fed up with what they're working with.

[@andrew2044]

@@Hyde-dg7ef Oh yeah I too saw that video amazingly hilarious and kinda sad

[@onvawynog4696]

@@lev7509 i think that the programmers wanted to take into account movement therefore there is a little airblast space at the back

[@Darkness19Z]

Demo shoot pipe behind him: Nothing personal kid Pyro airblast behind him: HMMMM MM MMMMHMM MMMM Demo: Wut? *dies*

[@kuyazergy1884]

Pryo Translation: omae wa mou shindeiru

[@simplysmiley4670]

The box looks big here but in game feels way smaller not gonna lie.

[@DrMonty-ng5fo]

That's basically the reason the box is so big. Human brains are pretty wack. Even though the old air made more sense, it probably felt really janky in game, especially considering lag.

[@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329]

that’s cause Pyro mains are terrible

[@Mixxium]

@@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329 two types of people in this world huh?

[@bitchasshoe8719]

@@Mixxium his name checks out

[@TioDOvraLLL]

I main pyro and can confirm, fells WAY smaller in game

[@Goldenleyend]

So basically just airblast upwards or downwards to do a 360 blast. I kinda wanted to see all stickies placed around him before airblasting downwards

[@ryanphillips4123]

What's wild is stickies seem to roll a short distance away when I airblast them. Still within damaging range.

[@hoenntrainer3422]

Wow, so they "improved" the airblast knock back but then makes the hitbox massive

[@wingedbluj1674]

Well they also made it that the airblast doesn't completely override the victims velocity, just heavily alter it.

[@Mr-Ad-196]

Man.....tis remind me of that one time when I play one of EA free to play game..... battlefield heroes on how soldier class max level smash shockwave thingy are to op kuz it literally nyeet the enemy or car away and has high chance to kill a enemy if they slammed into a solid object so they kinda Nerf it......still kinda can kill a enemy but with lower chance.....and EA without warning decided to remove all of their free to play game.........

[@toxic_shr00m]

Trust me, it does not feel this big.

[@gemstonegynoid7475]

and its also janky because the box doesn't even orient where the pyro is facing

[@skar6001]

@@wingedbluj1674 yeah but they did make it so you literally can't do anything about being air lasted anymore unless you have mantreads. I play high tower whenever i play tf2, and man. I can't even tell you how many times I've been blasted of the cliff without having a chance to save myself.

[@bananaspice1967]

The virging slab and cone vs the chad cube

[@winter8028]

I almost failed getting a med pick because the pyro airblasted me when I was behind him. Great job valve ily

[@Irishcrossing]

pre jungle inferno airblast is quite interesting. The Airblast really only takes effect if the airblasted object or models are in the area in which the green box and blue cone overlap(with a few minor hickups here and there like behind the pyro). After jungle inferno just seems silly at that point, whatever is in the box is just airblastable.

[@weaboo8141]

Demoknights : Oh this is not good...

[@Soviet_Stalker_Men]

Me as Demonight: Well then I take the back route

[@cerocero2817]

Would it really be so expensive to make all the checks with a volume that rotates with the pyro?

[@menacingthinker4322]

No but code is already spaghetti enough. So we got what we got

[@Appletank8]

A lot of detection boxes are giant cubes that don't rotate. Projectiles, melee hit boxes, flame particles, throwables. collision boxes (important due to map geometry generally being axis-aligned)

[@cerocero2817]

@@Appletank8 that's why I ask, it was a genuine question. My understanding is that since collision detection gets more expensive the more objects that need to be check, this globally oriented kind of shape is used to save resources, and then if needed more precise checks sre msde with shaped roughly within the shape, like how hitscan attacks check first for the players collision hull and only then for the diferent hitboxes. As far as I can tell, however, making old airblasts box big enough to fully comtain the cone regardless of rotation and using the cone for both players and projectiles would result in the intended "consistent cone" mechanic without being too expensive.

[@Appletank8]

@@cerocero2817 Maybe, but we have no idea what jank the devs pulled to do this.

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@cerocero2817 my read on it is that the cone doesn't actually exist. the only hitbox is the, well, box, and then the game iterates through all valid entities in the box and checks if they're enemy aligned and airblastable. then it checks if they're a player or not. if they're not, it just blasts them then and there. if they are, it performs some additional calculations involving getting the difference between the pyro's view angle and the angle from the pyro to the enemy, and _then_ it blasts them if that difference is less than a certain threshold so, the cone in this video is just a mesh that represents those calculations _for this video,_ not something that shows that there's a conical hitbox that's just not used for projectiles for whatever reason. subsequently, there isn't some specially shaped hitbox that's already doing those calculations anyway - so using the cone _would_ involve using more processing time every time a pyro pressed m2 a _significant_ amount of processing time? honestly, probably not even in the most extreme circumstances ... in 2021. back in 2008, however, it was probably quite a bit more of a valid concern. as far as why they went the complete _opposite_ direction with the update despite the fact that basically everyone playing should now be on far stronger hardware? my guess is that it's just straight-up gamefeel. by the time jungle inferno dropped, pyros would've had _nine years_ to form a feel for how airblast could reflect projectiles in a wide """cone""" in """front""" of them, so actually implementing the narrow cone would've made it feel like they just _broke_ the reflect hitbox, and even a far wider cone would've had that problem ( after all, it wouldn't catch projectiles _to the side_ of the pyro, which actually acts as a pretty significant amount of _lag compensation_ when you think about it in actual gameplay ). so instead, they just decided to drop the cone entirely so that airblasting players was the same as airblasting projectiles, and to expand the height of the hitbox so that projectiles coming from vertical angles wouldn't mysteriously require several times more accurate timing than those coming straight at you and, hey, it's _technically_ an optimization, so ... ?

[@OGXenos]

Yet somehow a rocket directly in front of me just goes "Nah fam, I don't feel like being airblasted" and ignores all my airblast attempts

[@TheShadyBoi]

you know after maining pyro for a year this makes alot more sense thanks for bringing this to light imma use this info in game now

[@GDRunny]

This is on par with valve saying recoil was why an ak misses at point blank in csgo

[@Banshee523]

the bullets don't go where you're aiming in csgo aside from like the first shot, so that's a surprisingly plausible explanation. there is no visual tell for recoil whatsoever in that game

[@vatrin551]

Now think about how spies feel at this moment 4:00

[@sadwrld520]

VaTriN

[@goon5665]

As a spy main... 😥

[@raisinx]

@@goon5665 We meet again.

[@Raph575]

I feel pain

[@funnypeashootercreature]

spy mains never again! ;)

[@SirknightDevoir]

they literally gave him a hitbox the size of a jail cell, and he’s still trash in competitive.

[@usernametaken017]

Its because scout (fast speed and damage) and soldier (high health, damage and sepped, but you need ho to mive fast) exist

[@LordDeiji]

Competitive is ded dude wtf and pyro is crap and soldier too, is ez class

[@lev7509]

@@LordDeiji "crap"? "ded"? If there's one thing TF2 and Doom communities taught me it's that "ded" is one silly word when applied to franchises.

[@Aflay1]

*competitive dead, pyro dead, game dead Yeah yeah that’s fine and all but eLABORATE

[@the_Red_Star]

they keep making pyro easier instead of making him stronger. that doesn't mean anything in competitive, the players are already good enough to play any class. of course, the real problem is that if you make him this easy, you can't make him strong at all. or else we get what we got during jungle inferno: the easiest class was also the best, so there was almost no reason to play anything else.

[@c_ornato]

imagine shooting the pyro from an angle in his back and he just deflects your crocket without even looking at it

[@gentleseal1778]

So sketchek

[@LeizXD]

Valve: *Proceed to nerf spy*

[@alwang9690]

man, pyro isn’t even a powerful class. he’s just plain annoying due to all the jank around him. wack-ass airblast hitbox, flames that blind people, being the only class with reliable access to cc that would make overwatch blush... god this class needs a rework

[@DuskEalain]

Honestly that's like my big thing too. Pyro isn't powerful as you said, he's just annoying to play against because he's quite literally brainless. You run around spamming whatever buttons with a half of an idea of what you're doing and the jank will take care of it for you. It's why I voted Heavy back in the day because I knew voting Pyro wouldn't make Valve get rid of the jank they'd just make it worse.

[@dannydevito2275]

This right here, solid actual visual proof that pyro is the worst class. No skill, no use, no role, no fun to fight, no reason to have been added to the game.

[@fenorlex1126]

I'm just a Pybro and a Bomber in MvM. Being a Pybro's deceptively hard, even with Scorch Shots because there can be more than one Spy (Usually 2-4 at once), and then Ubërcharge Soldier and Demo suddenly pops up out of nowhere while Engie's dead/distracted/respawning/AFK/dying. Being a Bomber (Read: Gas Passer) ain't an important role. It's just enough to stop hordes, but not enough to deal with giant robots. I may "replace" Demo and Sniper with it, but it can also means they can deal with the more important targets. Edit: Pyro's better as Support.

[@DuskEalain]

@@fenorlex1126 Oh yeah no don't take my jank reply here to mean Pyro as a WHOLE is braindead, there are plenty of community-made strategies that are really neat for him. It's just Valve has it so none of the actually challenging stuff is required in any meaningful way. Unlike say, a Sniper where having a bad one can be crippling, you'll be just an effective Pyro running around WM1ing people as you would doing some crazy Detonator jumps or Combo Pyro Crits.

[@fenorlex1126]

@@DuskEalain In the long run, you'd be just stuck flanking around, while the newbie Sniper eventually learns...

[@Smidgemax]

I remember discovering the backwards facing down thing on day one. But seeing at how more broken it actually is makes me depressed.

[@eelacanth]

To be honest, the main thing that annoyed people about the old airblast was the reserve shooter, which got changed anyway. The new airblast actually prevents you from airstrafing, so if you get blown upwards, it's more of a 'stun' than the old one ever was.

[@spit782]

So,this is why sometimes i can airblast rockets from afar but sometimes not

[@lieuty]

tfw when you're in the air and a pyro pressed his left mouse button looking in a random direction to stop you from airstrafing (8 EDIT: right mouse button not left

[@sadwrld520]

lieutylew

[@sadwrld520]

@@knight170 knigyth170

[@KezH1]

this is a fucking trainwreck

[@schambefferoid]

(8

[@DanishAlKahfi]

@@knight170 oh my god he can hold the button and completely deleted the enemy! He is too skillful

[@Mutaburasaurus]

Watching the first half of the video: "Wow, that is kind of broken. Glad they fixed it!" Watching the second half of the video: "Wow, that's... somehow even more broken."

[@guy-dev]

Yeah, I was expecting them to drop the green box and keep the cone. They did literally the opposite.

[@evieinfinite]

box is this size and I still feel like I'm missing airblasts I should be hitting, might be my shit internet though

[@LunaDevaKitty]

It largely is. i live in Europe and I play with my American gf and whenever I'm playing with her I can't airblast at all, but when I play solo I had good consistency.

[@Neek0tine]

"Pyro airblast requires no skill" Said the one who airblasted mines into teammates. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And just because it's easy doesn't mean you shouldn't think about it. Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[@Zeckle11]

Ok but it doesn't

[@squeaks5677]

@@Zeckle11 I mean you can try going into a lobby and mindlessly spam the M2 button at any sort of projectile based class., I doubt it would work out for you unless you actually time the shots.

[@kurda3429]

Can anyone tell me how to see that boxes? I wanted to try out some reflect tricks, but i never was certain about that reflect range

[@wgetJane]

unfortunately there's no console command of any sort that lets you see this box this video was made with a modified version of the game

[@gavintantleff]

@@wgetJane Putting the source code leak to good work I see!

[@sebastianvroom7595]

Since the hitbox seems to be alined with the map grid and not the player for some reason there is no reliable range with the thing, depending on you angle with the map the htiboxwill be different (from the player's point of view) , odd choice since tracking the players angle wouldn't come naturally to most, making some airblast more luck than skill

[@VerbDoesStuff]

@@sebastianvroom7595 what do you mean by this? Are you saying it doesn’t visualize properly or that airblasts are functionally different on different maps?

[@sebastianvroom7595]

​@@VerbDoesStuff I'm saying that the hitbox is different relative to player depending on what direction they are looking at since it aligns with the map rather than with the player, so say, an airblast fired to the north would hit different areas than an airblast fired to the nort-west, these diferences in effect being tied to something that most people ignore while playing(what direction you are looking at relative to the map) make the airblast somewhat unpredictable, specially since, like showed above, in some of the orientations the airblast reaches behind the pyro. This all makes it so that some airblasts actually connect not due the skill of the players, but due to a variable neither of them acknowledge or even is aware of

[@ryanphillips4123]

As a pyro main, this hurts to watch. A giant airblast box, and I still can't hit most airblasts. Also, the fact that the post-Jungle Inferno airblast box doesn't turn with the player makes it super unpredictable.

[@MarioLuperBario4400]

The box is that big and I still cant reflect projectiles?

[@MikeNoob101]

I really love this kind of videos. Im learning alot about hitboxes

[@eggcelentrat4005]

So your telling me I've been fucking up my airblast game all this time cause this shit was never actually a cone the cone shape literally decided when I would airblast

[@logroll2353]

No you messed up your Airblast because you’re awful at the game. No other way of putting it

[@WHOARETHEPATRIOTS475]

*Notices the thicc ass detection box for the airblast* Me : *Why can't I airblast a single fucking rocket with this hitbox*

[@BotherRed]

How did you manage to do this, and could I possibly talk to you? You might be able to do what I'm searching for so I can wrap up my vid

[@Deletedvirus404]

also direction matters? so if the pyro faces diagonal the airblast box wont reach beside him?

[@Izigurand]

Yeah, seems wonky.

[@lochi7106]

And my ass thought that airblast took skill

[@SharkyMcSnarkface]

It does. That box is deceptively small. Considering projectile speed, reaction time, whenever the enemy decides to shoot a rocket or what have you, and the general chaos of the game means timing is surprisingly difficult. It’s just under the extremely controlled environment it looks rather unskilled.

[@lochi7106]

@@SharkyMcSnarkface joke /dʒəʊk/ a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.

[@SharkyMcSnarkface]

@@lochi7106 I can’t tell if you were joking that it’s skilled or unskilled. Given how TF2’s community reacts whenever it sees a pyro I automatically assumed the latter

[@lochi7106]

@@SharkyMcSnarkface I was joking about it being unskilled

[@hugonobody3352]

@@lochi7106 I see no joke, just a statement of fact.

[@antagonizingusername]

Why did valve lie to us?

[@xL1PEx]

@@hoffer_moment I really hate this non-rotating bounding box shit that's used for so many things in Source, means it effectively takes up a lot more space on a diagonal.

[@bindstf2]

i think it was a coding oversight that was never fixed

[@russellhassan7773]

@@xL1PEx yeah like collision hulls being used for projectile hitboxes... so stupid

[@DuskEalain]

@@russellhassan7773 As someone who loves Demoknight, being reminded collision hulls are used for melee hitboxes too physically hurts me.

[@Odisher7]

This makes me wonder how the fuck I manage to miss rockets with air blast

[@TheDiner50]

Timing. Lag compensation. What what? Better ping and stuff should give you a better chance. Or just Git God. Or blame Valve. I blame Valve.

[@Odisher7]

@@TheDiner50 It's definetly not lag. It's just that I have very bad timing because I havn't practiced much, and I thought the box was much smaller, so I activated it maybe too late. So I'm going to blame valve, it should be the size of the map, c'mon

[@dyadyabafomyot1668]

@@Odisher7 I'm bad at reflecting projectiles too. I think that this is because when i play i look at 2d screen, and can't easily calculate distance between me and the projectile.

[@raul1476]

Projectiles are actually pretty fast

[@Hungeryan]

Airblast detection area: *is large* Me: *Still can't airblast shit*

[@StormTrooperEX]

well depends on where u stand

[@officertenpennyaintservingyou]

Or you airblast too early?

[@uselessthing3429]

@@officertenpennyaintservingyou i think i have this problem

[@Inconspicuous-Gnome]

I absolutely despise the new airblast, at least the pre jungle inferno airblast allowed you to air strafe when you were hit by an airblast, now pyros dont even have to be looking at you to completely kill your mobility.

[@mrhat1073]

could you also investigate pyro's flames being faster than the pyro? in a lot of cases the flame particles feel like they bullshit their way to you on top of invisible particles still being an issue.

[@tfwthewhen]

ah yes, jungle inferno, the update made to fix and balance pyro

[@sadwrld520]

da ren

[@tfwthewhen]

@@sadwrld520 hi

[@Goldenleyend]

That was never the intention, that was just the excuse during meat vs match to vote for pyro because its easier to w+m1 than actually trying with heavy

[@hannayapelekai1628]

@@Goldenleyend bruh heavy is literally the noobstomper class

[@MoriShep]

both heavy and pyro gameplay can be described as W+m1 more so for heavy thas all his weapons can do some times not even the w just m1 and look at things

[@yugureyt]

Just remember. People were wanting this..

[@delroku]

"airblast takes skill"

[@Quote_]

"skill always beats luck"

[@faustsies1366]

more than a sticky spam thats for sure

[@delroku]

@sunrise *WHEEEZE*

[@delroku]

@@faustsies1366 that's highly debatable

[@gumbus3876]

@@delroku At least two pyros airblast spamming has a counter. Two demos sticky spamming is death.

[@jimbomclimbo7467]

Jesus christ just make it a cone your confusing everyone and making him harder to play

[@Izigurand]

I doubt this makes it harder. Easier if anything.

[@taffyadam6031]

My what

[@reed560]

This makes it a lot easier to use.

[@ruefysh9576]

@Dam Sen huh then why am I still shit in airblasting?

[@ruefysh9576]

@Dam Sen it hurts

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

So many soldier mains

[@rickvandam3238]

Me : so it's a cone and a box Me after jungle inferno : time to get out

[@AveragePootis]

Very interesting... especially as the airblast cant sometimes deflect rockets that within the box

[@TF2SoliderMain]

Exelent work, this helped me a lot despite me having 1000 hrs in tf2

[@Penultimeat]

So constantly look about 25° upwards and only at right angles when playing pyro? Can do.

[@wierdpeopleotherdude1422]

This is annoying but since so many pyros can’t arblast for some reason no one will truly ever use this to its full extent

[@buzzsburner.8286]

Everybody wants the heavy update, but seriously. I'm just glad they tried to fix pyro.

[@weaboosh_t]

Probably the most useful video about pyro

[@ambassadorgaming8411]

Wow the airblast hitbox is way bigger than I thought it would be

[@professional_fra_violator]

Here's an interesting question for the debugging people: Is tf2 fire particles hit-scan, or projectile based?

[@cottoneyejoe8285]

Projectile-based. A bunch of hitboxes come out of the flamethrower.

[@isabellegrimes8775]

Like Delta said. The projectiles have a bunch of little hitboxes whose direction are influenced by the Pyro’s movement. A Pyro moving forwards will have more range than a Pyro standing still, and a Pyro moving backwards can drag the hitboxes back over eachother since the fire also moves backwards with them.

[@JacobKinsley]

Players: please fix pyro Valve: say no more fam

[@idiodiclogic3457]

God damn it now I have no excuse for being bad at reflecting projectiles

[@autumn5352]

The amount of times ive been airblasted while standing directly behind a pyro about to backstab them is too fuckin high

[@infamoushacker4chan883]

Honestly, we just need a TF2 Remake on Source 2 without all the spaghetti code, and dumb shit like this fixed.

[@damianbisha6712]

I have around 5k hours in Dota from the time source 2 dropped there and it's still a lot of spaghetti code, just new

[@jimbojones5136]

@@ermimprettysigmaphonk what the fuck do you people even want anymore? you complain about spaghetti code without even knowing the proper definition of it yet in the same breath beg for more gigabytes of content as if it wont break this bloated game even more valve is notoriously shit but the tf2 community is so mindlessly entitled, it's very peeving

[@comradeerik]

Nah, tf2 and source go hand in hand, it wouldn't feel the same. Tf2 has problems as any game has, but its code is no where near as bad as people claim it to be.

[@guy-dev]

@@jimbojones5136 yeah, I'm so sick of this. They just repeat whatever their favorite youtuber said, and have probably never written a line of code in their lives. There is also currently ONE DEVELEOPER, yes, you read that right, ONE LONE DEVELOPER, working on TF2 right now. Leave her alone.

[@woshee_real]

@@ermimprettysigmaphonk game has been live for 10+ years, be glad you guys get updates at all.

[@invalid_user_handle]

While the cube _looks_ large, a standard rocket moves at 1100 units a second. For it being a 256^3 cube, you only have about a quarter of a second to time your airblast at optimal range. It's why you can't just spam it and deny all projectile spam, even after it got it's height extended post-Jungle Inferno (which they probably did so that it wasn't possible for a rocket to skirt right above the airblast box awkwardly when the Pyro was aiming in a direction that _looked_ like it should've reflected). The only problem I see is that they didn't move where the box was positioned after they made it larger, so the Airblast starts to become more of a radial pushback than a focused blast...

[@Mc.Scrumpy]

I wish that the shots would come directly from the nozzle/barrel instead of a wide box... that and id love for a hit box to be exactly the shape of the player model

[@ZoofyZoof]

If the airblast hitbox is this large then why can't I airblast anything

[@augustday9483]

All I want to know is... why, Valve?

[@testhekid]

jungle inferno happend 3 years ago.. i am amazed how are we living with this it also *hits from the back!?*

[@redman1458]

is there a way to see my airblast in game like having this green cube every time on my view ?

[@admiralgarbage6403]

Remember when we thought that Valve playtesters were bad? Yeah now its pretty clear, they're just a myth.

[@Lenin941FN]

Jungle inferno made pyro incredibly OP. Not only did they make w+m1 a legitimate strategy, they made airblast completely fucking insane

[@squid-boy4178]

How hard is it to just put the box in front of the pyro

[@littlefieryone2825]

This is especially confusing to me since the patch notes for Jungle Inferno say "Hit detection for both players and projectiles is now a consistent cone." I was expecting the post-Jungle Inferno airblast to be just the cone, not the _box._

[@SourTredmill]

It’s that fucking big and yet I still seem to miss airblast.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

But have you ever missed hitting a player with it?

[@shoopdawoop76]

can you do one on gunslinger crit detection? its has always been so inconsistent.

[@wgetJane]

that's because it's not lag compensated (like hitting teammates with the whip), it's a bug: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oH6TdGB-rtZle9U

[@shoopdawoop76]

@@wgetJane oh yeah, i've seen this video before, but i always thought there was more to it. thanks for the explanation

[@wgetJane]

@@shoopdawoop76 yeah it's just because valve forgot two lines of code lmao

[@shoopdawoop76]

@@wgetJane oh of course they did ;(

[@allaltitudeproductions454]

an already skilless class even follows into its airblasts

[@projectiledysfunction]

Airblast? When did they add that for the pyro? It can move people and projectiles?!?

[@SolarLight]

June 2008. You're about 12 years late to this knowledge lol

[@uselessthing3429]

@@SolarLight What are you doing down there Jesus of the demoknights?

[@pum8661]

No wonder reflect jumping feels a lot weirder now.

[@fcomolineiro7596]

Mmm this feel off, question does the cube changes if objects are present ?

[@lumiperuna]

They should've done it the other way; remove the box and use just the cone.

[@ForTheOmnissiah]

The fact that the airblast hitbox doesn't rotate with the pyro really makes it inconsistent. If the player is facing diagonal with the world-plane the cube not rotating makes it so the pyro has longer airblast range at the far corner directly forward from the pyro, and has less ability to airblast to his sides.

[@FDG323]

hmm how the fuck can i not airblast as a pyro who has trained for like a year.

[@OlaftheGreat]

It's funny how in the Pyro update when they "fixed" Pyro's mechanics they actually made them even more broken. In his current state, pyro is very easy to play and very hard to fight. It's not fun.

[@Sammie1053]

(during the Before part) Huh, that's so crazy how it has that broken-ass box in addition to the cone. This is what Valve must have meant by "fixing the Pyro", they're probably going to make it a bigger co- (Jungle Inferno just deletes the cone and uses the broken box for everything) *_W H Y_*

[@hey6548]

If you airblast straight down they go up

[@wgetJane]

yes

[@FlakManiak]

...The cube doesn't rotate, and can be at various angles relative to the Pyro? Is that why airblast range feels so inconsistent?

[@Yukiyonova]

Green box indicates if the player is in or no but the green box also tells the blue cone if someone touched the cone they will fly and apply de buff (hidden: user cant move unless on the ground)

[@LunarKn1ght]

thank god this isn't the flame's hitbox

[@cagethelonewolf]

this video helps, i used to think you had to aim at the projectil to airblack it back, now i see i don't even haft to look at it to air blast it and it will fly where i aim now i see why every singal video just says timeing over and over again cause there's legit 0 skill besides a qick time event

[@The_Boctor]

funny axis-aligned bounding boxes also the fire particles being consistent with their boxes is still a blantant lie, the phlog's are attached to the player's face or something

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

4:25 i like this one. It will be added to my escape methods "the forcefield" And if its a rocket i can stafe it afterwards for closing in or bailing out.

[@TSONFIRE]

Very cool. Thanks for this