Just How DYSTOPIAN Is The Apple Vision Pro?

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[@mathewperring]

You just know eventually 70% of your vision space will be filled up with adverts floating around your head.

[@chromesucks5299]

AR headsets adblock extensions go brrrrr (just kidding these devices will be 1000% locked down)

[@alessandro3000]

This is what will kill everything.

[@KleptomaniacJames]

Quit fear mongering.

[@paradoxexpress6976]

Then people wouldn’t use them lol

[@RobotMasterSplash]

​@@KleptomaniacJamesThe cheap versions in years to come will be cheap because they are paired with ads, just like streaming. This is the reality we live in.

[@gostchiken]

No gooning = dead technology.

[@sunnohh]

It’s got a web browser, gooning enabled

[@swagmund_freud6669]

But there is no gooning improvement from the previous gooning methods. @@sunnohh

[@Pushing_Pixels]

You might not be able to watch 3D pr0n, but you can probably record some. It has a feature that lets you take 3D videos of whatever is in front of you. I'm sure some home visiting escort/sw has already arrived at a client's door, only to be greeted by some creep wearing this thing.

[@MyAnalyser]

I'll wait for gooning enabled Android or even Meta version in a year or two.

[@FatalAlcatraz]

​@@sunnohh you know what else got a web browser that doesn't cost 3500?

[@Mikae1300]

The tech is cool, but giant corporations like Apple will never be able to imagine anything actually cool with it.

[@JG-ye7ey]

Wait til you hear about a thing called apps, which are made by third parties

[@Nerobyrne]

That's why this needs modding communities.

[@zleeven]

This tech can make yugioh be like in the anime. Which in all in for. But I don't see anyone picking it up like that. This is just going to be another way to make people less sociable and more isolated in the capitalist hell hole we live under.

[@Vynzent]

That's not their job. They deliver the tech. Separate devs deliver the content.

[@keyboardoracle1044]

@@zleevenor your friends can be virtually in your house instead of texting them and waiting for a response.

[@cosmic_jon]

VR Chat is a good example of social VR done right. People do all kinds of wacky stuff in there, but they do it together, which is important

[@Yormolch]

Yeah, like harassing minors. VR Chat is nice, but a bit more oversight would be nice too.

[@rosestrohm7986]

​@@Yormolchyeah they should make vrc 18+ instead of installing spyware on your pc in order to track your movements and shit

[@Yormolch]

@@rosestrohm7986 Exactly that.

[@mitaku2287]

The thing is VR chat is a world entirely separate where only a few of your irl movements translate into the game. Its also relatively accessible since you can also play it with keyboard and mouse. The apple shit is trying to shove a VR world into reality and its just not going to work for the casual use they're trying to promote. And sticking a nearly 4 grand pricetag on it is not gonna help either

[@ArgDu]

Wasn't VR Chat created for free too? Interesting how that works out.

[@hinaruto43ver]

Could you imagine getting home and realizing, "Shit, I left my browser tab that I want open in times square!"

[@uninstaller2860]

Nice idea for a fetch quest

[@AnEntropyFan]

As you ran back to close the open tab, you slam into Vaush. He's wearing the Apple Peep-N-Creep, too, and as he looks at you, the haze resolves into a set of horse eyes.

[@uninstaller2860]

@@AnEntropyFan Secret boss fight?

[@AnEntropyFan]

@@uninstaller2860 Vaushwig The Ameliorated

[@Ockto_]

I don't understand anyone who doesn't think that widespread AR tech is just gonna turn into what the villain in Ready Player One wanted. Nonstop ads that cover half your field of view.

[@Nerobyrne]

But then nobody would use it

[@emachine310]

If it would take ads out of the Real world and into the AR headset instead im 100% into that. If you want to disconnect, just take the headset off

[@V0lcan000]

@@Nerobyrne that's the thing. They first make it more convenient than the alternative, then by the time it's so ubiquitous everyone uses it they ramp up the ads. Just look at the internet now vs 10 or 20 years ago without an adblocker.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@V0lcan000 exactly, now we have adblocker. Also, if a website has a ton of ads and you cannot use adblocker, people just don't go there. If this device has no many ads it gives you dump shock when you put it on, then competing devices or cracked versions will be made.

[@Tecnodoc32]

Im in Danmark, and you have to have a smart phone here. You figuratively can't do anything without one.

[@cool_bug_facts]

I'm actually so pissed the Google Glass failed. It did every useful thing the Vision Pro does while being way lighter. It also did not obstruct social interaction nearly as much by covering up half your face or being able to put you into a completely VR environment anywhere at any moment. And it was way more open and jailbreak-friendly than any Apple device will ever be. I think the idea of, for example, pulling up Maps and having a little minimap in the corner or seeing a highlighted path in front of you showing you where you need to go, or getting a notification and seeing it without having to pull out your phone is extremely cool and also actually useful. It would literally just be a smartphone but better, without the limitations and dangers of having to hold it and look down or the screen size, with much less opportunity for alienation imo. People were freaking out over privacy concerns, but are now soying over the new Apple thing which is an order of magnitude more capable in terms of recording people without consent. I hate this.

[@uninstaller2860]

Everybody has a body cam suddenly, nothing is private anymore. I didn't even think about that. Black Mirror anyone?

[@beginnertoend310]

Everyone accessing technology like this will be good for cutting down on sexual harassment for women, as there will be video evidence of it. Additionally there will be more responsible interactions with the police. I think it’ll be good in those ways, although if you trip and fall on the subway there will probably be a funny viral video of you now circulating the internet so that’ll kinda suck for clumsy people 🥲

[@1birdwatcherr]

@@beginnertoend310i thought u were saying the google glass is so dumb looking no one would want to assault you lmao

[@dgjwngwergwr8782]

Google glass sucks

[@varunsharma8371]

Remember how in Wall E every human on the spaceship had a screen where they would interact with each other while tuning out everyone around them? Like that was a dystopian view of humanity rampant with consumerism and now it's almost a reality.

[@gur262]

Yeah. You can at least theoretically tell someone on the phone something. They are basically not there wearing this.

[@m1cah]

Plus fat people are real so Wall E is truly coming to life

[@ArgDu]

Yeah when Wall-E came out I thought it was unreasonably heavy-handed in terms of parody (albeit a good movie). And now it looks like we're less than ten years away from the real thing, except we can't build spaceships.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

So true where more disconnected and abiut to have population issues and stiff like this isn't going to be helpful

[@nperegri]

Yeah, that scene is all I can think about when I watch these videos of ppl wearing the head set. It was such an important statement about being cocooned in a monopolistic corporate environment that made it so you'd want for nothing so long as you are kept in the system. Cool tech, but so dystopic.

[@benjamincooper5879]

For a moment there, it almost seemed like Casey Neistat was about to have a nuanced take about the potential for social harm if this tech sees widespread adoption.

[@micahgelfand8282]

Nope

[@TheShitpostExperience]

There's a version of our world where we will probably have a more muted kind of AR/VR devices that we can use as an extension of ourselves for different purposes, just like how we use our phones to communicate with people at long distances, store and access information that the human brain cannot store and access at the same scale and speed, etc. But we don't need to be detached from reality to be able to use that. I do not expect people to be that nuanced considering how people like to sell themselves to tech companies and brandish everything they do and shame on others that do not partake on it as poor, dumb, incultered, etc. Certainly the big huge ass headset is not a form factor that I like, it has many issues that I'm not gonna list now, but apple fans and some people in the VR space do not seem to care. My take is, anything that my mom wouldn't wear is probably not have big market adoption, and people comparing it to apple watch have no idea what they talk about. There's a difference between a tech device that can pass by a regular watch in most people's eyes vs having a laptop in the shape of some bulkier scuba diving glasses strapped to your face.

[@AnEntropyFan]

Let's focus on the actually bad things and not make a pseudo-Luddite (because the actual Luddites weren't anti-technology and were fairly based) argument here. Y'all MFRs already sit in bars staring into your phones, and the boomer malding about your phones stares at newspapers as opposed to talking to his family at the dinner table. You're already immersed into endlessly scrolling Twitter on a sterile bar of cheap aluminium and plastic, this would change nothing. The cyberpunk from the 80's you read but didn't understand was a commentary on the alienating society of the spectacle of the 80's and how it's fueled by endless escapist tech consumerism, the SimStim headset was just an in-world analogue to something like a TV set that people really cared to be the "best" one (it was literally the apex of the living space, and people had them in their bedrooms too), have 100s of channels on to switch numbly between and if they were relaly "blessed" they had the cutting-edge tech VHS player too. And Ready Player One is just a vehicle for a human husk whose identity is "geek culture" telling you how many FunkoPOPs he has and all the Batman trivia he knows, all style and no substance. It isn't predicting the disastrous societal collapse of a future AR era, either.

[@1birdwatcherr]

DAE $10k APPLE GOOGLES ARE SO COOL!

[@Pos3id0n.]

@@TheShitpostExperiencemucho texto

[@chickenelafsworld7105]

Well, fellas. It’s time for the QR code shirt that downloads viruses.

[@dracocrusher]

The butterfly part feels extra haunting because it's the exact premise and imagery of the Cowboy Bebop movie. Like this is literally the scene where the terrorist gets drugged so bad that they can't tell what's real and what's fake and it leads them to just snap and release a supervirus to take out the city. I know that's not exactly a 'reasonable' concern, but the vibes really do just hit weird when you have that context.

[@CaptainDock44]

didn't expect to see the cowboy bebop movie mentioned but you're absolutely right

[@broadnerdmike6450]

To add: standing in the middle of a Krispy Kreme holding up a donut and shouting “the butterfly is eating my donut” should have people questioning your mental faculties, but apparently it’s completely cool and normal as long as you’re wearing an Apple product.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

The only thing can imagine is how many accidents will happens because people are to distracted in their own if one these guy bumb into me I'll removed the goggles and scream open your dam eyes leave all that crap behind when your outside

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

You just need drugs. Look at the Unabomber. They used him as a test subject for mind control drugs. It didn't work but he sure went crazy.

[@dewafelbakkers]

Look at me, I'm watching youtube videos in TIME SQUARE in a way that is even more alienating to those around me than watching on a regular tablet or my phone.

[@lildipper3423]

ok but thats because its not accessible if more people used it doesnt even have to be apple it can be meta quest then it would be socially normal it would be great if you could share your screen with friends like just copy the vid and flick it to the person next to you they get the title of the vid and accept it and boom your both watching stuff together you could play games like twister and not have the hassle of cleaning up

[@piccoloatburgerking]

What alienating? Unless you're out with a friend group you don't know anyone in that times square so what does it matter if you're alienating them?

[@alexd4566]

@@lildipper3423… or you could just play twister

[@grumpyoldman6503]

exactly, a whole new way to ignore people around me in the physical world while I wander around looking like a tool in litterally my own little world. all made to sell you better adverts.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

"I've already got lots of screens in my office, but as long as I have the headset, I can never ever escape work. The office is bolted to my face 24/7 and I never have time off. I don't want to self-delete at all!"

[@Prometheus1464]

At this rate we'll create the Torment Nexus and we'll enjoy it as it siphons our humanity away.

[@AnEntropyFan]

If the Torment Nexus understands informed consent, that could be fun. Tho given that "informed consent" is the only phrase techbros fear more than "woman", wouldn't bet on that...

[@ArgDu]

"Well we had to make the Torment Nexus, it sounded so cool in the book!" -Media illiterate tech bros, probably

[@AnEntropyFan]

@@ArgDu Very recently I listened to a recording of a talk by an "expert on AI ethics", for a very reputable and socially conscious skeptical group BTW. In the post-talk chit-chat segment she referenced "Ex Machina" as a "great movie about the dangers of AI". These poeple are exactly the kind of person who'd watch Django Unchained and conclude "abolitionism is dangerous" given that the whole point of "Ex Machina" is that the AI is the only healthy human in the compound, acting in self defense (and carrying no malice against humanity once she managed to escape). The woman who did the talk is clearly not someone as intelelctually, socially and emotionally inept as Sam Harris, Lex Friedman or Elon Musk; but she's been soaking in the same techbro milieu of "AI ethics" (as opposed focusing on the ethics of the companies wielding the future AGIs) and so has come to the same failed media analysis conclusion no matter how obviously wrong it is.

[@Prometheus1464]

@@AnEntropyFan Hey don't you ruin my point by appealing to my inner masochist!!

[@nddragoon]

you can tell who in vaush's chat does and doesn't wear glasses based on whether they're going "NOOOO YOUR EYES COULD NEVER ADJUST TO THIS AND FORGET YOU'RE WEARING IT!!!" cause if you've ever worn glasses you know that when you put on a new pair everything's distractingly distorted and weird, but by the next day you're forgetting you're wearing glasses again as the distortion is accounted for by your brain and you just see normally. your brain is really really good at adjusting for this kind of stuff, i've also heard from some people with cochlear implants that the weird robotic output of an implant can begin to be perceived as normal sound as your brain adjusts. it's wild.

[@wta1518]

Or how with a normal VR headset everything feels really weird and disorienting at first, but your brain eventually adjusts to it.

[@DJDiskmachine]

Casey Neistat becoming famous for educating people on iPods not having replaceable batteries. Flash forward 20 years and he does basically a commercial for Apples Ready Player One headset smh

[@Paint_The_Future]

Casey: "Here's a point that no-one has touched on" *says the most generic point about it*

[@thekingoffailure9967]

“I’m not sure if any of you’ve heard this before but this will change EVERYTHING” Im about to drop the most original and nuanced thought that any reviewer has had about this product: *quotes the first public ad *

[@Jack-fw4mw]

This is like the experiments where they show you some one elses hand, but they touch a feather to both at the same time so you start to think of it as your hand, until they do different things and it really trips people out.

[@Paint_The_Future]

@@Jack-fw4mw ...is it tho?

[@Slashx92]

"Something clicked on me, I realized this is cool" what a bum lmao

[@corranhorn85]

Casey Neistat is exactly the kind of brain rotted techno fetishist that will cheer us into the next dystopian hellscape. Him describing sitting in Times square surrounded by AR screens, blocking out any human interaction, was the most depressing thing I can imagine. I hate everything a bout this.

[@explosionspin3422]

I mean, I don't find AR particularly interesting, but jesus fucking christ let pekple be passionate about things

[@corranhorn85]

Nah man, that sucks.​@@explosionspin3422

[@scslre]

@@explosionspin3422 i'm pretty indifferent re: casey whats-his-face, but jesus fucking christ let people voice criticisms where they're appropriate

[@imperatormaximus8952]

Look, if he's enjoying it, who are we to stop him. I can think of plenty things more depressing.

[@GustvandeWal]

​@@scslre You're doing the exact same thing...

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

Having notes floating in my peripherals to glance at every once in a while til I feel like I absorbed them would be amazing for my ADHD memory problems.

[@n8chz]

All proprietary technology is dystopian. Specifically, it is panoptic.

[@anthonii.x]

this is the real take

[@dinodare1605]

What do you mean? Not challenging you, genuinely asking for clarification. Do you mean everything should be open source?

[@pinkrimmedazureeyes]

go on

[@friki1282]

That's what I'm waiting for. There's no way I purchase an apple or Microsoft or Google of anything proprietary. I will wait for something that works and it's open source

[@AnEntropyFan]

That's a nice word salad there. You either don't know what proprietary or panoptic means, because the two things are not even correlated (let alone causally linked, I literally have a watch entirely made out of proprietary parts on me right now and there's nothing panoptic or dystopian about it). Now, by sheer accident your randomly-dispensed words do describe this Apple edition of the Peep-N-Creep, it is the typical reinvent the wheel for maximal profit proprietary non-serviceable Apple thing and it gathers all kinds of data on you in a way comparable to the panopticon. You also don't seem to know what dystopian means, because "proprietary" isn't linked to "dystopian" either. You seem to just like the sound of these words. It's dystopian not because it's proprietary tech that collects data, rather it's because the motives behind the two features are profit maximising, i.e. the motives not the hardware is what makes it dystopian. Apple neither cares that these devices that would outlive you if designed with serviceability in mind alone (which includes off the shelf components where custom ones are not necessary, like the first one that comes to mind would be a standard removable battery) will be filling the landfills and poisoning the underground waters within months, nor do they care that all the private data they collect and more importantly retain just so they can form a better ad profile is inherently dangerous and can be abused by all sorts of malevolent actors, ranging from unhinged individuals (think your average incel shoe0nhead fan doxxing a woman, then a whole ork gaggle of them doing the harassment) to fascist corporations (and I don't mean as in the generic capitalism bad way, actually ideologically fascistic like all the data harvesting shell companies Peter Thiel runs for example) and governments (and I wouldn't trust any government with that data, not even a hypothetical one with the most noble of intentions, let alone a fascistic one). That's why it's dystopian, not merely because it contains custom screws nor because it collects data (for a lot of services to work collection of data is necessary, retention and aggregation isn't tho).

[@fisherklatt9117]

12 milliseconds is really impressive, nervous how that will be impacted as the device ages, especially with apples track record of purposefully slowing down devices over time

[@dakunssd]

watching Apple TV and meme stock sites on 15 virtual screens as my cybertruck slices through pedestrians in a school zone, none of them leaving a dent on the stainless steel exterior until I hit a brick wall and deceleration turns me into a soup-like homogenate is peak californication.

[@TheStrayBun]

From a schizophrenia standpoint, I think this technology would mess with me way too much, and I'm saying that as someone who's had success using things like my phone to reality test. I also don't like that, from what I can tell, you can't see the wearer's eyes and don't know if they're actually looking at you in a given moment or not. If this takes off, I guess I'll just have to live with it, though.

[@livelongandtroll9108]

*Chat is wrong again.* It is a VR headset with video passthrough to *_simulate_* an AR experience. Hence, you can dial down how much of the video feed you want to see until you are in a completely VR environment.

[@chatboss000]

If reality is a component of the experience (i.e. passthru) it is Augmented Reality.

[@livelongandtroll9108]

@@chatboss000 It is VR HEADSET with an simulated AR EXPERIENCE. An AR headset would be something like those smart glasses.

[@beatboy6690]

the dictionary definition as given by google in 5 seconds "a technology that superimposes a computer-generated image on a user's view of the real world, thus providing a composite view." I think that covers the vision pro

[@HunterTracks]

​@@beatboy6690It doesn't really do that, that's the thing. It reconstructs a virtual copy of the world from the data it receives through its cameras, and then superimposes information over the reconstructed copy. True AR doesn't need pass through, because data is projected onto a see through glass, not reprojected through a display.

[@TeleportRush]

@@HunterTracks Wrong, its not reconstructing reality. You think its modelling all that in 12 miliseconds? It's just a camera

[@justinpicard9292]

“They’re floating IN TIMES SQUARE” bro I have mr beast videos with me in Times Square too it’s called my phone

[@mmarshfairc3]

I was cringing out of my mind then. “I’m watching KZbin in NEW YORK CITY!” describing how he was cut off from strangers around him lol

[@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869]

This shit is just the ARI from heavy rain without the blue coke

[@jamesross2279]

And that was the best part!

[@DEML91]

I think people are underestimating how important for the human mind to be able to see other peoples face and specially eyes, if social interactions are already a problem this will completely destroy it.

[@blasttyrant3228]

XCOM 2 utilized that concept, making all the Advent troops have helmets that cover their eyes, it's a very common trick in monster design that makes them "human" but still quite wrong (Death Korps of Krieg, Wolfenstein Nazis, Helghast, Pyramid Head, Pale Man, Slender) Edit: got so wrapped up in the examples I forgot to make my point, yeah it's weird and gross and scary that humans would want to cover the most emotive and expressive part of their face for an alienating product with an apple on it

[@wta1518]

@@blasttyrant3228 Also Half-Life 2.

[@AnimeGIFfy]

i wonder if this would induce or reduce schizophrenia. imagine panicking in the morning because all of your screens are gone. also, i wonder what's the battery life gonna be.

[@TheStrayBun]

I've used my phone to reality test, but I'm uncertain what impact this technology would have on me or others with schizophrenia. I would personally avoid it, but I don't think anyone can say one way or the other yet.

[@uninstaller2860]

Or trying to rewind someone talking because you weren't paying attention

[@softenbysam]

That looks cool as fuck, but I'd never take that outside my house. Being stuck to your phone outside sucks enough, much less completely and entirely closing yourself off to everyone

[@AB-zl4nh]

You don't completely close yourself off. You can see and hear people given a choice.

[@uninstaller2860]

​@@AB-zl4nhIt's through a screen. Even if it looks real it is still virtual, which you can never shake off. I would never walk in public wearing this

[@TeleportRush]

@@uninstaller2860 Dumb take. Your brain doesn't care the difference and logically since its a camera you shouldn't care either. The more important part is that 1. people will treat you like you're not available with it on and 2. you'll need to exert self control to not open hud elements in public.

[@PenguinEconomics-st2ws]

@@TeleportRush You sound like a tech bro who has never touched grass. Being in the moment as yourself without technology is good for your mental health. Viewing the whole world through a screen is going to have some mental effects.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Yeah it something that make sense at home or at work not out where those distraction can get you killed

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

Apple gets away with releasing overpriced junk way too often

[@arcturionblade1077]

And Apple tech fan boys repeat AI Vaush's favorite saying, "Gulp gulp gulp!"

[@_molls]

The tech is cool, but outside of utility work with training… why do I want this? Can’t even play games, that’s a big blow to it

[@doobas2171]

its meant for productivity, entertainment, and walking around@@_molls

[@metalgearfan9802]

And the worst part about the Vision Pro is that there's essentially no improvement to the form factor. Sure the materials are top shelf but it's still just another oversized, heavy box you have to put on your face. Makes me miss the Steve Jobs era Apple, back when they were an actually innovative company. Would've been cool to see them try to tackle making a massively improved Google Glass AR glasses formfactor.

[@emka-sk3co]

@@metalgearfan9802 The iphone was a bar of soap and it has remained that way.. They have money but theyre not gods. People still have to do the hard work of developing the technology

[@Pushing_Pixels]

I give it two more generations until the headband is performing a constant EEG on you. You won't even need to use gestures to interact with things on screen, just look at it and think what you want it to do. The downside will be Apple, and possibly app makers, reading your mind, and gauging your responses to different stimuli in real time. Not only will the subjects of ads be personally targeted, they'll be calibrated to push your specific emotional and psychological buttons.

[@alexd4566]

Funny, I wrote my thesis about this exact topic and argued for a right to freedom of thought/mental integrity to protect individuals against such interferences.

[@martinpavlicek2299]

Some EEG headbands for AR BCI like this already exists. But not as effective and lightweight probably. But vision pro software and algorithms already make model and map of your neural activity based on activity of your eyes.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

@@alexd4566 They will be able to sell the devices for a fraction of their cost, so more people use them, and offset the loss many times over by selling your psychological profile.

[@nperegri]

This is giving me Wall-E vibes. It's cool and all, but I can't help but remember the scene where you first see the humans in their chairs video-chatting with projection screens in their faces, not at all aware of the world around them. And am army of helper bots to cater to their every need. God, what a world we live in, that Wall-E could be so prophetic. I've always loved the cyberpunk/hyper futuristic fantasy, but now that we're arriving to it I don't know that i want it.

[@ethankillion786]

I’ll wait 20 more years. This stuff is too heavy on the neck and gives killer headaches. Also for that price I would rather book some plane tickets to Italy or the French Riviera. And for those that say "why not both?" I say that, unless I was disabled and chained to a bed, I would always prefer to experience real life to this.

[@phillipspassmore]

VR causes me motion sickness to the point that keep talking and no body explodes made me feel awful after 30 mins... that is a game where you don't move! As cool as the tech is I'm not going to take a risk and purchase tech that could make me feel awful if I use it

[@rustkitty]

I think 99.99% of the target audience would just use this as a portable multi-monitor setup? But if you don't need the ultra low latency pass-through there are already HMDs you can connect to your laptop or phone for a fraction of the price. I'm not convinced engineers will use this unless their employer already develops their own software for iOS and bite the bullet to port it to this yet another Apple operating system. Also I doubt there are many use-cases where they actually need high quality fast AR as opposed to just a one time scan of the environment that can then be used as a VR set.

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

YES! I wonder how many windows you can have open at once?!

[@1birdwatcherr]

@@TopOfAllWorldsOnly one for a mac. Not even worth it.

[@sonicblackhole3559]

Ready to get an Adblock so that you can sleep

[@thedirtydoom]

How the hell did i get this video recommended 13 seconds after it got uploaded. That shit is DYSTOPIAN

[@jordand5555]

Bruh so dystopian bruh

[@Vamooso]

you're my dystopia 😘

[@ba6561]

You make me feel euphoria! 😮@@Vamooso

[@TiniestD]

@@jordand5555say less. No cap

[@JustAnotherNamelessGuy]

GEORGE ORWELL 1984

[@dewafelbakkers]

Casey's video really fucking confuses me, because he spends the whole clip basically showing that he looks like a fool fumbling around the city, and he is COMPLETELY disengaged from the most important element of his surroundings - the people....and despite that, he sings its praises in the wrap up and gives it a seal of approval. I was fully expecting him to say 'sike, this is a nightmare' somewhere at the end, but the video just ends.. It's like he captured all the worst things about the technology, but never realized it himself.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

The people in the doughnut shop looking at him like he's a freak. No matter how popular this gets, I don't think that will change for those that wear it outside.

[@pancakes8670]

He's so incredibly brain melted by the Tech Bro hype that he doesn't know how utterly fucking insane he comes across as to normal people. It's like how some of the most zealous members of a cult become detached from society because they just don't know how crazy they look to everyone around them.

[@V0lcan000]

Yeah, I thought his big realisation was gonna be that it's absolutely a TERRIBLE idea. Nope, he thinks it is the future ugh

[@blinski1]

Exactly! He was like 'I realized something nobody talked about: after few hours of using it I came to realization I feel confusion about what around me is real and what's not, and this means...' --now I'm waiting for him saying thing I would say in that situation, i.e. '...after some time this might be worse in outcome for mental health than hallucinogen addiction'--but instead I got '...this is the FUUUTUUURE!'. Like bruh, do you know TF you're doing?

[@skateboardious]

This is the future 🤓

[@sariathebrave5259]

This is like black mirror stuff.

[@slick3996]

good

[@neet0burrit035]

I think it would be cool to use this as a tool to speak with loved ones over long distances. Imagine being able to sit down and have a "face to face" conversation with your mom living in another state or being able to watch a movie in the same "room" as your long distance partner, or actually play D&D at "the table" with friends scattered around the country. Obviously, it's not a replacement for actual social interaction, but in situations where the people you love aren't readily available, it could help maintain those relationships.

[@uglypinkeraser]

My workplace used a microsoft hololense and we were able to 3d model the entire machine shop and visualize it inside the empty room before we installed it all, basically a full scale mock up of an entire factory done entirely in VR/AR

[@eagerinspirit]

that is super goated actually

[@Josieemon]

My main opinion is that the tech is very cool but the price tag means that it is only really available to weird middle management techbro types with more money than sense and an insatiable desire to show everyone the cool things they own, and as such it’s pretty much become weirdly dystopian.

[@zagreus5773]

New technology is always expensive. Computers once cost more than a house now everyone has one. Several actually if you count phones, cars and whatever else has a chip in it. So give it a couple of decades and the price could drop enormously. It could become as common as a tablet for example.

[@50043211]

Yes it is however despite the fact that its price is larger then the money the average household has at their disposition per month, the real killer is the weight. Humans dont like something like that on their heads and until that issue it solved it will never stick. I guess thats the reason why mangas when depicting such technology either let the protagonist lie down or have a whole couch chair thingy.

[@V0lcan000]

Imagine the issues with musculature if you did nothing but use VR laying down all day. Better for your posture than chairs, but no movement/walking

[@vylbird8014]

Or just make it lighter. Dennou Coil has augmented reality tech as the center of the premise, but it's in the form of light-weight glasses. Light enough that they are seldom removed.

[@zriku1]

im a homosexual

[@sunnohh]

Hell yeah, dude

[@asherroodcreel640]

Whoa

[@thekingoffailure9967]

Ew now im hard

[@timi462]

Unfathomably based.

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

Hi

[@emiyohgracious]

The apple vision pro is the sort of shit that makes me think Ted kasinski was right.

[@Level1Hera]

I really thought Neistat was going to make a profound observation there. Newp.

[@syiro3083]

skateboarding with the vision is CRAZYYYY ABSULOTELY INSANE DEAR GOD HOW ARE THEY ALIVE

[@augustgremaud2738]

Can’t wait for people to leave Dark Souls-esque messages for each other around their neighborhood. You look next to your park bench: “Try finger but hole”.

[@jinjay354]

Can’t even do corn literally unusable

[@micahgelfand8282]

It's corn

[@westcoastseattleboy784]

@@micahgelfand8282a big lump with knobs

[@empiresloth]

When I’m in a try not to think of the future challenge and my opponent is a tech snob

[@jordanchen23]

15:17 this moment only feels profound when you know you're the only one with this tech and it makes you feel special and powerful. In all likelihood it gets much more soul crushingly and isolating once everybody uses it ubiquitously.

[@henryglennon3864]

Speaking as an architect, using this to conceptualize a space seems like a massive pain in the ass; that'd take longer to set up and find 3d assets for than to use.

[@thekingoffailure9967]

Just Ai generate it bro

[@succusage3966]

I think using something like this for interior design would be pretty effective and way cheaper and faster than buying/renting all that stuff just to see if a client likes it

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

It could be good for selling a potential space to someone that isn’t good at imagining themselves in concept art and plans

[@henryglennon3864]

@@Purplesquigglystripe It takes time and labor to design and digitally model the assets that you want to present, whether that presentation is 2D artwork, a physical model, a 3D digital model, or a 3D VR enabled model. The more dimensions and detail this proposed design has, the longer it takes to actually do the labor, and if no one has commissioned you; you're doing a TON of work for no pay, MOST of which is going to go completely to waste IF you actually get a commission, because the final design always changes massively from start to finish. And we can already do all this anyway with real time rendering programs, it's just not often industrially feasible. There's a reason why sketching and illustrating are two different practices and words.

[@jirue]

Wouldn't the value come more from having it mapped on to real world space during the construction process? It'd be quite an improvement over paper/screen blueprints. Being able to map a blueprint on to real space has a ton of appeal and potential. You can physically overlay on the world the grid points to dig/set foundations and where to put holes/anchors in walls for the construction folks to follow exactly, would be an amazing improvement in precision to how we do construction.

[@TheDareelliltee]

I love the idea of apple knowing the layout to all my most frequented spaces ❤

[@TheCosmicNemesis]

I like the idea of using this at home for projects like I'm Tony Stark interacting with holograms but beyond that it seems like more real life cyberpunk dystopia shit. I can't imagine growing up in a world where this is normal and pushed on you at a young age like ipads are now

[@lichlord267]

I think the biggest problem with tech like this, is we immediately imagine how people will abuse it either for profits or stupid reasons. Or that it will just exacerbate existing problems. Its harder to imagine the benefits

[@zagreus5773]

What? I'd say it is the exact opposite for most people. Depends on wether you're an optimist or a pessimist, most people are the former.

[@lichlord267]

@@zagreus5773 fair, I just think people don't put enough thought into how new technology can be misused or abused. Blind optimism can be just as bad as pessimism. Given recent innovations (more importantly, the people behind their development). I'm more skeptical of new inn than I used to be. Stuff like ai art and crypto haven't inspired confidence for example. They haven't really been a net benefit to scociety.

[@wet_mouse420]

Accessibility aside, why do tech companies think we want more screen time instead of more quality time? Maybe I'm just old school

[@micahgelfand8282]

They don't care what we want? They just want to make money

[@V0lcan000]

the reason that you see so many videos about it online is because the people who value quality time are less online, and not as loud about it. You don't exactly see people currently living in Amish communities talking online do you? You only hear from ex-Amish (not to say that the Amish are good)

[@Kitousha]

I can't wait to take this thing apart, jailbreak it and install it into my cyberpunk helmet. Those fraggin' megacorp skudz 'bout to get raided!

[@llbeanj1515]

It’s fitting they shot that clip in an area just chock full of ads, since that is what this device will turn every location into.

[@lopoa126]

When someone starts randomly starts talking next to you, so you talk to them, then they point to their ear or say something rude.

[@bollocks5724]

So nothing new then .

[@mr.e5595]

Jason Pargin recently said something to the effect of "be skeptical of companies who try to control your literal perception of the world". This IS dystopian shit.

[@tapioca8574]

Can't wait for the tech to be licensed to defense contractors to create combat goggles that hook onto Kevlar helmets to provide real time target acquisition assistance, range finding with automatic zeroing, and strategic and tactical information. Multiple monitoring sites and signal operations providing real-time AR tracking of enemy assets with built in friend or foe identification which also can record combat encounters for training missions. And in those combat recordings amidst the chaos there will be Subway Surfers in the corner so the troops don't get bored.

[@TeleportRush]

Already been tried, and the soldiers didn't exactly leave glowing reviews

[@Kekktye]

A notes system would just become the real-life equivalent of putting up signs everywhere. It'd be regulated and only certain authorities or topics would be approved to put up certain messages. Otherwise, it'd be removed to remove clutter. This would just prevent things like graffiti or bathroom stall messages. Which IMO, sucks.

[@garrettwhite3922]

But just think of all the ad-space that will be added to our lives. The struggling mega-corps need it.

[@RioZMC]

Oh hey! Cyberpunk dystopian horror is finally here!

[@Audio_noodle]

I think it will be fine if we get an open source device out there before the technology is walled into a corporate hellscape, where what you look at is recorded and taken up by ads, it's a really promising tech that could in the end avoid a lot of ewaste and energy consumption from needing multiple screens and possibly allow you to pay attention better, since the screen is right in front of you instead of in your hand kind of below you. The tech itself has been around for over a decade now with google glass and hololens as the very first generations, vision pro is kind of the alpha version of the technology with still some drawbacks and lack of refinement, but it's getting there. I think the main differences are a much larger field of view, actual proper brightness to things etc, and challenges are it being an apple product, aka non repairable and walled off, along with the control scheme still needing a bit of work. I also think, that one necessity will be a way to mark windows you have open as public or private or restricted public, so like either only you can see that youtube tab or your friends can or everyone can, could be great for like university, where you might need to ask for help with something, but you don't want to fill someone elses field of view with your spotify etc

[@brianc5617]

This kind of technology could be amazing for healthcare worker. Nurses could see patient vitals as they walk around, lab techs could see visual data on analyzer progress or flags, etc

[@orkmad12]

1:16 Imagine having one of these on and thinking "Lemme just check my phone real quick" Like...WHAT?!

[@blah204]

I feel really bad for the early adopters who try wearing this outside. You are gonna get robbed so fast lmao

[@jenslorden6015]

Early adopters? This tech has existed for several years by now and there are plenty of other devices that dors the same thing. If anything people that buy the vision pro as their first VR/AR/MR headset are late adopters.

[@blah204]

@@jenslorden6015 you should at least google things if you don’t understand what they mean. Look up “s curve adoption technology”. They are early adopters you dolt

[@blah204]

@@jenslorden6015 you don’t know what the word early adopter means

[@quasmoke3553]

​@@jenslorden6015Bruh, find me one other headset that allows you to see your surroundings to the same degree as Apple Vision Pro. This is the first commercially available headset that is viable to wear it and still roam around in public.

[@leinadlink]

As someone who works in the 3D industry, I think the best possible use for a gadget like this, is for 3D applications. One of the biggest issues with 3D modeling is the lack of depth perception, which requires having multiple views at a time (or rotating the view constantly) to get a feel of volume. I already thought that VR could be great to speed up the work process since it gives you a great sense of scale, but now with AR capabilities you can just integrate your projects in the real world. Like you said, extremely useful for engineering and architecture. But that also means that the people making those 3D graphics could tweak it ON THE SPOT. There's no better reference than the real deal. I can imagine teams for important projects implementing tech like this once it drops in price and is made more resilient (from what I've seen that front glass is coated in plastic that is very easily scratchable and can't be replaced, classic apple).

[@coolfool183]

I do think that for construction and engineering this would be baller. I worked on the build of a tiny house, mobile classroom in high school, and if I had a headset that showed me the step by step schematics in 3d space it would’ve been really helpful in visualizing the final product and in doing each step

[@kaialexander6806]

The worst part of seeing new tech that could be great accessibility wise for me as a disabled person is the fact that I always have the same 1, 2 thought process of _Oh, this could be great as an accessibility aid... and it's gonna end up being another aid where we have to pay extortionate prices to use it._

[@Invisibleguy-kn7bd]

The tech genuinely looks so cool, but the idea of seeing this dude in a shop completely unaware of other people there because there's a screen showing a dinosaur (or just any other video/screen) is so depressing. I kinda hope it stays stupidly expensive, that way fewer people will get one

[@grindcoreninja6527]

Hey! In a few years when all you can afford is an "apartment" the size of a closet, you'll still be able to watch a big screen!

[@bananewane1402]

Call me a reactionary hater, but I don't really want to walk around with a clunky headset on all day, nor do I want the Apple User Interface sitting right in the middle of my field of view. It is convenient as it is now, tucked away in my pocket, taking up a manageable portion of my vision when I do decide to use it.

[@yur-wj2cq]

The only way I'd even come close to shelling out three grand for a stupid headset is if I could watch porn on it. 3D porn, just imagine it! Normally I'm a borderline luddite but that's truly innovation that excites

[@andrewsauer2729]

LOL I feel the exact same way about it honestly

[@wta1518]

Why did this suddenly become an Nissan advertisement?

[@martinpavlicek2299]

I am sure you can. They claim you can't because of the lack of apps but people made or will make some workarounds anyway for sure... This also has a lot of isolating potential. Also pornhub has some 3D videos and VR videos, so I am not sure but maybe those would be able to be played in it. What change this headset makes is that the porn could not only be VR but AR. You could theoretically do some very weird stuff with it.

[@drawingspider7798]

As a motorbike driver, this makes me extremely anxious. People are already not paying attention in traffic because of their phones, now this? Heck, I once overtook a guy who was typing something on his laptop while driving on the highway... This is going to cause so many accidents.

[@tiortedrootsky]

It never felt so lonely in a moderately full subway train now. Cant wait for this s...

[@Mitchincredible]

So they made a crappy version of Heavy Rain AR glasses.

[@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING!

[@tiffanyb9275]

It’s pretty wild what magnets can do to electronics! Crazy how they are so easily hidden too. Imagine someone wearing one of these in public, and they brushed up against some type of magnet and it became permanently inoperable. Just imagining.

[@samurai641]

I see people struggling to understand what AR is a lot. All AR is is holograms. You want holograms from sci-fi movies? Well now they exist, you just have to wear the glasses to see them. It's not an inherently "good" or "bad" technology, it's all about what you do with it.

[@butterworthboys4985]

Tokyo Ghost is becoming more real every day 🙏

[@emachine310]

putting on some AR headset and knowing where the water pipes, electricity wires and or maybe even the studs in your are seems pretty legit

[@declanashmore]

That's been happening, yes. Software like vGIS Utilities have been available for tablets and AR headsets for a while now, even going back to the hololens.

[@emachine310]

@@declanashmore oh nice. I didn't know that.

[@commandercorl1544]

8:07 Chat going from 2 messages per second to 50 very quickly.

[@pratmural5611]

I already have dry eyes from staring at monitors too much. How'll this affect our eyes? Has there been any research done on that?

[@ardequerade3155]

something like this might be cool if you could use it to hunt virtual goblins in the park surrounded by real nature, dodging behind trees and adventuring with your friends

[@waitandbleed2870]

Engineer here, AR tech is THE shit for developing things, we used this in university only once and it was the time of my life for private use, i think its a little overkill idk

[@Alice_Fumo]

I really like the thought of every text you look at irl being auto-translated to your language. This with auto-translated speech subtitles could really remove language barriers. Also, I imagine that there will be a dating app where you get a context menu floating above people with the same app where you can open their dating profile and just start talking to them irl. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, but it sounds very interesting. Another interesting point is that this device does not obstruct peoples view or ability to use their hands in the same way a phone does, so I would expect less accidents by people blindly walking into traffic.

[@RouxColdMilk]

Id kill for a hud with my blood sugar on it honestly

[@normtrooper4392]

I get very sick in vr. It makes me want to throw up actually. So naturally, being the young person in the office, i would assigned to projects with vr or ar.

[@skurke]

There will be cool stuff that comes from this. A new form of audio visual tours, history/museums would be cool. Imagine with the click of a button you could see a ruin reconstructed, or a painting in the studio of the artist who painted it, etc. some distopian shit too but yeah

[@boredstudent9468]

Hololens had those applications for a while but not with pass through, but with optical condictors (fancy glas) hologramms

[@jeremymr]

In college during the pandemic I took all online courses and we did some group projects with shared documents. This would be good for that sort of stuff. School from home, etc.

[@Andy-br1hq]

The potential for this is actually really immense

[@slick3996]

can you elaborate (i agree btw)

[@ImminghamIronhead]

I work on old motorbikes, and I can definitely see the benefit in messing with a virtual bike before I get the tools out for real.

[@mkultra21]

When you mentioned creating a virtual space, as a teacher, my first thought was how this can be used for educational purposes, such as “traveling” to another country or time period, or creating an interactive model for something like cell division or geometric shapes. In reality, however, I assume that this technology will be used to create a “virtual classroom” where everyone is at home, but still learning together in the virtual space. It will be used to replace in person education, instead of supplementing it.

[@chromacat248]

we’re about to get miiverse in real life and i’m all here for it

[@OneReallyGrumpyJill]

To be a little bit positive, with shared library, this could be huge for any architect work, maintenance work, and etc. Then again, people won't use it for that, because people don't have self-control.

[@dylanwhite6539]

The pass though latency is low and walking in it manageable, but it’s like seeing the world through a webcam. Motion blur is VERY high.

[@lildipper3423]

this tech would be great for architect outside games quests with friends science biology math examples by using models ect

[@lildipper3423]

i disagree with vaush we have had laptops and phones and tablets for years and its only a problem in countries that dont have infrastructure that is fun and sociable like the US i think this tech is good and making everyone autistic would be great there would be social applications bc the only reason autistic people like myself are more anti social is because of ostracization also great for people with adhd bc of more stimulation

[@V0lcan000]

things like this will always be limited by how you can interact with them. This headset represents the next step in a fully immersive artificial visual environment. I hope this doesn't catch on as a thing people use in public, as then it's like everybody wearing sunglasses, you can't tell where they're looking, and in addition they have a more limited FOV and can be distracted like on a phone.

[@tiffanyb9275]

Have you heard what magnets can do to electronics ?

[@shroomer3867]

@@tiffanyb9275 Based

[@TeleportRush]

"This headset represents the next step in a fully immersive artificial visual environment." Reminder that vrchat exists, this is not the next step towards a prexisting reality, and in fact is heading the opposite direction.

[@cambriakilgannon12]

Also workplace safety/efficiency. They could make a heavy duty model