Rich LA People Really Dislike This Skyscraper Graffiti

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[@Conformist138]

An "abandoned skyscraper" should be automatic evidence of a crime. It should count as a violation of human rights for every person living in the area, especially the homeless.

[@cookies23z]

fkn facts seriously, how much work can it be to turn it into cheaper housing?

[@gremblorthesackgoblin7953]

Not to mention its a constant saftey hazzard just fucking existing. Thers no god fucking way they have done anything to maintain the building in 5 years.

[@commandercorl1544]

Abandoned skyscrapers should just be turned into housing for the homeless.

[@andrewfranquelin3184]

But that would be dangerous. Unlike sleeping on the streets which is super safe, it's like camping. No one ever gets hurt camping ​@@commandercorl1544

[@Luminousreign]

Most abandoned skyscrapers are functionally condemned. Your smooth brains are telling you to put people in a death trap.

[@eimazd]

It's funny hearing them complain about "littering" as though an unfinished, abandoned skyscraper that nobody is allowed to do anything with isn't just a massive, expensive piece of litter.

[@cake_9510]

It's like throwing a really good gaming pc setup in a river and then screaming at someone who throws a straw paper in the grass like it won't dissolve immediately upon the next rain (not that you should throw them on the ground, but still) Honestly the PC would be more useful than this building

[@samiamrg7]

“It’s an eyesore…” You know what’s an eyesore? An unfinished skyscraper. Almost anything would make it less of an eyesore.

[@oh_god_dammit]

I personally prefer big ass murals but tagging a whole skyscraper is sick af

[@ni9274]

Yes but the tags are super basic, looks like the most default ass tags, the one you see under every bridge in the world. There are tons of beautiful tags in cities but this isn’t one of them.

[@lola210]

I mean I get that tags are a big part of graffiti culture and stylized fonts can certainly count as art but I'd rather spray political slogans or murals which average people can also understand rather than just flex on other people in the scene like "hey look guys it was me who sprayed that isn't that so cool"

[@digaddog6099]

​@@lola210aren't political slogans just a way to say "[Someone who believed in ___] was here"? Like, typically when I see a political slogan somewhere, I just think, "neat, someone here agreed with me." And then I move on.

[@lola210]

@@digaddog6099 Interesting interpretation, I'd still say though that the primary function would be to get the message out there and have many people see it rather than it being about the person who made it. Signatures to me just feel a bit macho though. A way to mark territory like dogs would and to impress mostly other artists, with the main focus usually on getting to the spot to begin with rather than the art itself. As I said if you do a nice and creative piece I have nothing against it and it can certainly be considered art, certainly more so than just a plain sentence of political nature on a wall.

[@unsocialburrito7179]

These are throw ups, not tags.

[@toddjones1480]

No media outrage towards the developers for vandalizing the city. Typical.

[@gremblorthesackgoblin7953]

Surprising not a single note taken for it being an overseas mega-conglomerate shitting in the dead center of town.

[@duckingcreepers]

As far as I'm concerned these unfinished skyscrapers should be considered litter. The graffiti artists are doing the capitalists a favor by making art on their litter.

[@taffinjones8641]

Its so funny how many people ive heard saying they "vandalized an abadoned building". Like...who cares? Its abandoned? At least theyre putting it to use?

[@Syzygy_Bliss]

What the city should do is comission artists to do stuff like this to build up the cultural significance of the city.

[@taffinjones8641]

@@Syzygy_Bliss I would agree, but like we've seen in the video then all the nimbys freak out because they think it's an "eyesore"

[@davitdavid7165]

It's nor even abandoned. Its unfinished for 4-5 years!

[@Syzygy_Bliss]

@@taffinjones8641i think they only oppose it because it hasn’t been marketed to them and they’re reactionary babies when they see culture (among other things) But if they can tolerate officially sanctioned corporate abandonware that their taxes subsidized, I think they can be convinced that only fogeys would oppose more of the stuff that made the city so culturally attractive in the first place.

[@David13ushey]

So... devil's advocate here... but tagging does increase crime because it signals negligence on the part of the city if the tagging isn't removed. If tags are up then it might be a good place to sell drugs. If you sell drugs, you're going to get gang rivalry. If you get crime your property values go down (the real harm!) and so tagging like this can't really be allowed. Vaush is right that these are just abandoned buildings that need to be bought and finished, but there is an actual issue with tagging. If these tags are left up, you're going to see more near by. The real problem with sky scraper residences is that the higher the building, the more expensive the building, and the higher the rent / condo cost that pushes it out of reach of actual people to live in.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Imagine being homeless in LA and this tower is just there empty

[@Echo81Rumple83]

homelessness would be solved on the spot if it were opened to the public in need of shelter, but since profit is more important over people... is it any wonder why we want to eat them right now?

[@justcallmekai1554]

It's baffling honestly. All that whinging about tagging and "eye sore art" yet the city not only abandoned it but It wasn't even finished. Like actually who cares? At least those Artist are doing something with it. If the city is complaining that much it got a news segment, they should do their job and turn it into something productive for low income to straight homeless folk. And not turn it into the 1 billionth McDonalds or some $6000 a month rent apartment.

[@jamesross2279]

There are buildings with heat on and no one living in them.

[@JisforJenius]

It's not govt property. The city can't just do what you are suggesting.

[@andrewfranquelin3184]

​@@JisforJeniusit might as well be tho. It's the byproduct of fraud and is just going to decay if we go about the personal property over human good route

[@Westlander857]

Very weird to me how people are so protective of abandoned buildings. I used to live near a big abandoned research park/corporate campus. The original owner tried for years to sell the property with the hope that the buyer would pay for its demolition. Who tf wants to shell out that kind of money? So eventually, curiosity got the best of people. People broke in, starting smashing s**t up, ripping copper out of the walls, tagging graffiti, and breaking windows. The original owner shelled out more money for security, but at that point, who even cares? The place is ruined. If nobody wanted to buy it before, then there’s no way anyone will want to buy it now. Last year, the original owner caved and finally tore the thing down. I have no doubt these useless failed condo towers will meet a similar fate, as they should.

[@danieltobin4498]

Many think property is the new way to get rich or get richer. We’re seeing the result of this lie.

[@Westlander857]

PS: There are some instances where abandoned buildings deserve to be restored and given a second life. Michigan Central Station and the Book Cadillac Hotel in Detroit are good examples of this because a) they’re beautiful buildings, and b) they’re of huge cultural and historical significance to the city. Even Ellis Island was abandoned for a while and restored for the same reasons. But a suburban office park or some drab concrete condo towers? Those we can do without.

[@smirkyshadow4152]

@@danieltobin4498 I think the main issue is the housing bubble people saw property and housing as an investment to make money off of rather than as property and housing so now most property and event rent is jacked up to an absurd and unhealthy degree, it's unstainable

[@user-zr9hu3tf1y]

literally asking, because I dont know. but does like tort law or any shit like that make it so the owner would be liable if someone broke in and got injured doing something on the property or anything like that?

[@deeznoots6241]

Tbf there is at least one example where abandoned buildings should be protected and that is if they have genuine architectural, artistic, or historical value. For example in the UK we have ‘listed buildings’ which owners aren’t allowed to destroy or significantly alter, of course such law doesn’t punish the owner if the buildings either mysteriously burn down or collapse due to lack of repairs so some speculators will buy cheap listed buildings on valuable land and then either commit arson(the stupid way since a lot of people get caught doing this and end up facing jail time) or simply sit on it and wait for the building to become sufficiently unsafe that they can legally demolish jt.

[@Syncopiia]

Thinking back to that video of Steven Crowder harassing a graffiti street artist who was given permission to tag the building by the owner.

[@Blingdung]

BYE

[@biteofdog]

When a graffiti artist is given permission to paint a building, that means that is a mural.

[@PenguinEconomics-st2ws]

Holy shit graffiti artists could pull off the greatest troll in history if they just find a way to anticipate where Crowder goes every day and then just fill the places with graffiti mocking him and his divorce.

[@themusicaljunkie37]

Crowder has such a puny brain that he can't comprehend anything artistic so he whines every time it hurts his tiny brain.

[@laurenwalker1048]

@@PenguinEconomics-st2wsid put my life savings into making this happen, sure, why not?

[@oatmilkzombie]

how dare they make an unused skyscraper look nice instead of looking sterile and ugly as shit

[@WilliametcCook]

For an art form which is literally “write a word on public infrastructure”, tagging always goes so hard. People must only be removing the bad ones I swear

[@ni9274]

These are the bad one

[@emexdizzy]

Irritatingly to my art nerd ass, that's not tagging, those are called "pieces". A "tag" is the single-line signature style ones, but naturally, news morons know nothing about street art. I have an AAS in Visual Communications and dropped out of art school after my sophomore year due to finance/illness, so though I've never done public street art like this (my art crimes amount to the one time I sharpied Mount Tahoma on a bus stop shelter) I have the typographic and artistic education to find graffiti pieces quite impressive, epecially if you can get a piece some place humans can't usually get to.

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

Afaik the people who most get rid of the ugly graffiti are other graffiti artists by painting over them with better graffiti.

[@junfaa]

This is the LA aesthetic that I like, not these rich crystal mommies with their toy dogs in their purses.

[@rexx9496]

LA is an armpit.

[@ni9274]

How are these graffiti unique to LA in style ? They look like the default graffiti you see everywhere in the world

[@wakuwaku798]

I'm not a fan of that aesthetic, but hey, anything to piss off these rich a**holes lol.

[@fangsabre]

​@@ni9274I mean, that's like saying any two signatures look alike. Sure, they're both words, but that's not the whole point

[@names_are_useless]

@@ni9274 The fact that each individual floor is tagged, and a lot of the tagging is quite symmetrical, certainly adds a unique flair to it. Also adds some nice color to a boring skyscraper.

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

It really does sound like a lot of those residents were complaining about the skyscraper not the graffiti but the news cut them out of context

[@SpiceIntolerance]

Yeah that’s what I thought when the guy was complaining about having to see it out his window everyday lol

[@Joenah5]

The only critique that's valid is tagging is the most boring kind of graffiti. Street art is dope though, it breathes life into the cityscape, and I think we should normalize people painting onto skyscrapers like that.

[@zerdaliaselythmyr7424]

Yea. I think tagging looks like shit and is boring. "Taggers" just duplicate their same tag all over the place. Maybe they add some slight variation but for the most parts it's boring and as artistic as, from my perspective, as drawing something with a stencil. However, I could not care less though about the building being tagged, but I just think it went from a shitty unfinished building to a just as shitty building with some paint on it.

[@ni9274]

But these are literally the most boring graffiti, the same boring calligraphy you see in every graffitis.

[@ni9274]

⁠@@zerdaliaselythmyr7424That depend, there are many good looking tag/graffiti in cities like Berlin.

[@emexdizzy]

None of this is tagging, these are "pieces", tagging is when you squiggle a single line of lettering in one color, a piece is when the letterforms are a fully colored bubble-lettering affair, often with other elements incorporated into them.

[@mjrhmekssh]

I lived in Berlin all my life and am an artist (BA in illustration and make my income entirely with art) this is the most boring graffiti I've ever seen. The coordination is insane but it's not very technically elaborate. I guess it comes with the territory of such a large thing. Maybe it'll get tagged over by some cooler artists again. Definitely not bad enough to cause an uproar. On an abandoned building no less.

[@afterhourscinema782]

Graffiti is *TRULY* the proletarian's art work ✊🏾 For the most part, you'd be surprised just how *TALENTED* so many of these "hoodlums" actually are

[@danieltobin4498]

I’m actually curious how they do it and how it can look so good

[@whalewithgingerale]

PREACH 🙌

[@afterhourscinema782]

@@danieltobin4498 I know right?? Especially this skyscraper, like how the F*CK did they get up there?? 🤣 And apparently, with no harnesses either

[@Echo81Rumple83]

and damn smart and perceptive to boot! if you haven't watched Exit Through the Gift Shop, go do that. you'll see what i mean.

[@afterhourscinema782]

​@@Echo81Rumple83You just turned me on to an awesome documentary m8 👍🏾 thanks

[@nddragoon]

developers can leave a building abandoned smack-dab in the middle of a city but apparently it only becomes an "eye-sore" when people put it to any use whatsoever as a canvas

[@surgesheep8531]

This looks like it was done in one night by a group of trained ninjas all listening to the sickest tracks on headphones around their necks

[@parrot998]

The horror! They made abandoned buildings *checks notes* more aesthetically pleasing! I will never understand the pure unadulterated human stupidity that surrounds the treatment of graffiti... All it ever does is give a location more character, and if it's in an abandoned space, a public space, or streetside there is no reason it should be treated the way it so very often is...

[@Yormolch]

I don't like it on historical buildings, unless it complements the original asthetic. That is way easier than it sounds, since adding colors in a shape and palet that enhances the original design can be pretty intuitive, especially to artists. Comissioned Grafittis can also protect houses from being tagged by others, since it is usually frowned upon to "overwrite" existing grafitti.

[@samuelmelton8353]

It just doesn't look great, even if you do like graffiti and character Vaush should stick to talking about clothes

[@David13ushey]

So the problem with graffiti is in the US drug war. Tags are used to denote places where negligence occurs. If the tag stays up, it means owners / authorities aren't present. That means its a good place to deal. If it's a good place to deal, it will be fought over. Crime lowers property values, which is the real harm to these people. So if we actually regulated drugs, graffiti wouldn't be as big a deal.

[@samuelmelton8353]

Sounds plausible, but also like something a Karen would say

[@parrot998]

@@samuelmelton8353 Good thing nobody asked you. Art is art... You may not like it but that doesn't make it insignificant. I don't like the Mona Lisa. I think it's quite mid actually. But it still has a right to hang in the Louvre. You may not like tags, you may not recognize the effort, creative vision, and intelligence that goes into making them, but that doesn't mean they have no right to be there. They are a part of the local culture, the REAL local culture, representing real people that really live in that neighborhood, and you should respect that...

[@Echo81Rumple83]

revelation: the lower class seem to have more class than the upper class, especially when it comes to culture and art. plz tell me i'm not thinking that alone.

[@goose9515]

Yeah it's a whole thing, rich people buy houses that are bigger and as a result more isolated, and then they don't feel connected to communities, a sense of community definitely contributing to wanting to create art in your local area

[@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany]

Oh absolutely. I date a former Cajun princess and she loves to shit on her family. Rich people have to buy class and culture because they have none themselves

[@cherrypopscile3385]

My local town is full of old murials painted on dozens of buildings. It genuinely makes a lot of the town look better

[@jonsmith9838]

arent those commission

[@recycledwaste8737]

​@@jonsmith9838 If they weren't would that magically make the art less beautiful to you?

[@jonsmith9838]

@recycledwaste8737 it can make them more picky in who they pick. maybe make it a completion. it's a difference between picking a the color to paint your house and someone decides to paint whatever they want without permission

[@amelliamendel2227]

I'd rather look at artistic tags than Pepsi, Tide, and Coca-Cola ads.

[@user-go8os2ut8s]

😂 right on 👍🏽

[@aileenonvenus]

as a chicagoland suburbian who’s desperately wanted to move downtown since they were young i fear Chicago will be next overly gentrified city to fall- historically hispanic neighborhoods like Pilsen (the one i specifically wanted to move to) went from having the reputation of being scary to having their hispanic residents priced out, it’s so depressing

[@MizAmeliaTv]

The skyscraper was supposed to be built by a Chinese developer, but they went bankrupt in China and they weren’t able to finish the actual towers and now it just sits vacant and no one is able to buy it or finish the cost and the city had to do eminent domain because they will have to buy the building and it’s $2 billion

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

So it's basically owned by a business that functionally doesn't exist to us.

[@kasane1337]

Seriously, more countries should do it like Denmark - only allow full citizens (and permanent residents, afaik) of your country to buy land / infrastructure. This has greatly reduced the amount of speculation on housing, because a foreign firm's CEO who has never even seen the country they're buying houses in cannot just get a hold on Denmark. The only people left to buy houses are those that actually live there, which greatly increases their incentive to actually treat it like housing and not like a profit-making investment.

[@originalulix]

@@kasane1337 Nah that's bullshit. You should also be able to buy if you're a permanent resident.

[@kasane1337]

@@originalulix I'm not 100% sure on the laws in Denmark in that regard, but that's true, as a permanent resident the same rules should apply.

[@d3nza482]

@@kasane1337 That's not what that Danish regulation means. Companies can buy real estate just fine. So can foreign nationals - as long as they're European. Read: WHITE and non-Muslim. To be able to purchase property in Denmark you are required to have either a permanent residence in Denmark or have lived in Denmark for a consecutive period of five years. The permission is obtained from the Danish Ministry of Justice. The general rule for foreign nationals' purchase of property in Denmark comprises both main and secondary residences. EU or EEA nationals EU nationals and EEA nationals may under certain circumstances purchase property in Denmark without obtaining the permission of the Danish Ministry of Justice. EU or EEA companies Companies etc. domiciled in an EU or an EEA Member State, which have been established in accordance with the legislation in an EU or an EEA Member State, and have set up or will set up subsidiaries or agencies, or will provide services in Denmark may under certain circumstances purchase real property in Denmark without obtaining the permission of the Danish Ministry of Justice. Contact the Department of Civil Affairs In all cases where an EU national or EEA national or a registered company wishes to purchase property, the Department of Civil Affairs under the Danish Ministry of Justice should be contacted in advance.

[@Disthron]

So, the core of the building is already there, someone in the chat said it was structurally unsound. If that is true then it needs to come down, but if not then it should be turned into affordable housing and have the bottom couple of floors turned into affordable shot fronts.

[@afterhourscinema782]

Dude... I'd keep it 🤣 I'm more impressed than anything else. How the F*CK did they get up there???

[@MechanicWolf85]

same way constructions do, the building still have stairs

[@GnosticAtheist]

The crime of building hotels when there is a homeless epedemic is far, far greater than tagging said hotel.

[@MollyFox-gs3sl]

Graffiti tags look so facinating to me I can rarely tell what the heavily decorated letters actually say, and if it’s often artist titles that can be nonsense so it might as well be strange messages left by aliens, yet it’s someone with spray paint while no one’s looking

[@Conformist138]

Like urban crop circles

[@emexdizzy]

Those are called "pieces", the tags are the thin squiggly signatures that are a single color, but yeah, they're fascinating, aren't they? My favorite kind of pieces are the ones artist paint on rail cars and tankers. Those pieces travel with the train carrying the cars around the US, and there's something simply _magical_ about waiting at a railroad crossing while brilliantly painted letterforms and murals that could have come from nearly anywhere roll past like a parade.

[@user-go8os2ut8s]

​@@Conformist138I love them crop circles are nice

[@user-go8os2ut8s]

​@@emexdizzywell said 😊 👍🏽

[@ajplays-gamesandmusic4568]

"Dormant, Vacant" open letter to the homeless of LA. Go occupy these buildings.

[@aegisfate117]

Nah, they're busy in mansions instead

[@datwee7576]

Go and google Athens graffiti. Athens is a huge city with barely any Skyscrapers and a billion Bloc style houses all around the Pantheon in the middle. It would be depressing, but huge murals are done across the city. If you walk down the street in Athens, you can just turn around time to time and see awesome well done Murals. Fuck LA

[@rexx9496]

Artistically done murals are one thing. A bunch of tagging is another. Tagging is an eyesore.

[@Joomluh12]

@@rexx9496 To who? Pretty sure it takes a fair bit of artistic prowess to be good at it, and the people that did this seem good at it. Art is subjective, though.

[@NonEuclideanTacoCannon]

Music scene in Athens was epic back in the day. Remember The Olivia Tremor Control? Or shit, Neutral Milk Hotel? Music is pretty lame where I live now.

[@blackmage1276]

​@@NonEuclideanTacoCannonI LOVE YOU JESUS KERIIIIIIIIIIIIST

[@datwee7576]

@@rexx9496 yeah but this is serious art, the tagging is lower down

[@whoahanant]

That looks absolutely gorgeous ngl The people who put that together must've been extremely coordinated to get all that done so quick.

[@GameGenies]

I live in Los Angeles, I'm not rich, I'm a painter. Personally, I'm not a fan of giant bubble letters outlined in black. However, it is impressive that they did it.

[@StardewMatt]

Genuinely wish urban developers and architects made an effort to use blank wall space for graffiti, local art, and/or plants to beautify cities

[@b.6603]

🇧🇷 Good to see you guys up there are taking some notes from THE BEST COUNTRY BRAZIL 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 DO COME TO BRAZIL IT IS AMAZING 🇧🇷 WHAT IS STABLE POLITICS 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@garrettwhite3922]

I've been there actually. Went to Sao Paulo, Rio, and spent some time on the Pantanal. It was certainly a bit more dangerous back then but my favorite parts were the ones we were told were the "bad neighborhoods" they had the most culture.

[@goose9515]

BRAZIL BRAZIL NUMERO UNO❤❤❤❤

[@ColdBaltBlue]

BRASIL CAMPEÃO!!! Greetings from Canada.

[@SebastianTheGreat]

Alternate title: Newscasters mald after people decide to work on these buildings half a decade after the developer abandoned them

[@ps2puppy]

theres few things i despise more than gigantic skyscrapers with 10 million a month rented condos that are left empty while homeless people die in the winter cold right outside

[@MichaelDerryGameitect]

Leave the graffiti up until the buildings are finished or demolished. The eyesores are the buildings, not the art.

[@SpaceBiscuits]

Graffiti tags are not to my personal taste, but it still improves the glass and steel monoliths. We desperately need to colour and style in new builds.

[@milestailprower]

This looks like something you would find in Jet Set Radio. I hope architects design graffiti buildings like this, and graffiti artists are paid to make buildings like this. Too many windows in a tall building actually makes me uncomfortable. As a vampire, I rarely open my windows - and living in a room with dope graffiti for everyone would actually increase my perceived value IMHO. This kind of attitute towards graffiti art is really frustating. Imagine if USPS trucks were allowed to be uniquely painted with colorful and interesting graffiti! But nope, everything needs to be boring and plane jane. Just ignore the fact that people spend extra $$$ to fly on a colorful pokéjet.

[@themusicaljunkie37]

Oh I loved that game.

[@emachine310]

gonna dox myself a bit here but i recently started going to trade school and i get a view of these from my school. I thought it was a thing from a movie at first but then i saw it in person and i honestly kinda like it. and yes, can confirm the developer ran out of money and its now an abandoned development

[@BennyFromFalloutNewVegas]

Partially constructed buildings for 5 years is the ultimate eye sore.

[@tddavis]

Architecture used to be filled with a ton of great designers and artists, now it is just a bunch of engineers who think they are artists. Minimalism is a blight on the profession.

[@joendeo1890]

The sad thing is thaat the roots of minimalism, Brutalism, was actually meant to be accompanied by large sections of plant growth and such to essentially turn our large public buildings into beautiful verdant vine covered cliffs. But putting the effort for the gardening budgets was considered too much so you git left wirh a bunch of ugly concrete squares

[@Honest_Abe1]

I really like graffiti. In once I saw a wall where two people in two different colors were arguing. And the next guy was just writing over what the previous guy wrote, crossing it out. It was pretty funny.

[@davitdavid7165]

I saw a famous painting from my country drawn in futurama's style. I saw construction workers doing Micheal Jackson poses. I saw a guy cutting his own hand to presumably eat it. This stuff is so good!

[@laurenwalker1048]

Crossing out someone’s tag and putting yours up instead is a real big FU in tagging culture

[@marthancrowl1674]

Man, this needs to be a level in the next Jet Set Radio/Bombrush Cyberfunk game.

[@amehayami934]

That's not tag. That's bombed. Bomded is bigger more elaborate graffiti. Tag is quick and just signing your work. Been a graffiti artist since the 80s i know. But beautiful work 😊

[@monty58]

I'm still not a fan of tagging/tags. I'd love it if all these big ass buildings had multi floor murals though. All blank walls should have art.

[@kale3504]

Saw this on reddit and thought it was the coolest shit I've seen with graffiti.

[@ComicXanz]

Watch dogs 2 type shit

[@PM-xu2nq]

Good art is dope, skilfully done graffiti is good decorative art, Berlin understands this and is therefore dope.

[@davitdavid7165]

Never been there, but I was in Munich and they do the same

[@PM-xu2nq]

@@davitdavid7165 Haven’t been anywhere else in Germany but if other places are similar then their laws concerning graffiti are good, whatever they are. Makes a place vibrant, gives people a free public outlet for creative expression, makes a place feel real. Provided it’s good. Shit graffiti should be covered up and over done by a better artist. People certainly shouldn’t be getting arrested for drawing cool shit on a wall because it insults the sensibilities of some wealthy, socially malnourished dickheads.

[@GolemRising]

Portland, OR also has a similar policy, they have some of the most gorgeous building art I have seen. Im not a huge fan of tagging, but its certainly better than an empty unfinished buiding.

[@Lasercatss]

In Australia, especially Sydney, we are having huge problems with developers and builders selling dodgy buildings riddled with major structural defects, dodgy surveyors are passing them as up to code so they can sell, the shell companies then claim ‘bankruptcy’ after all of the funds have been transferred out and people are left picking up the pieces. On top of that, brand new 1 bedroom apartments sell for a million dollars. It’s insane.

[@guillermobiasini3755]

Not a fan of the graffiti myself. But the real crime is that you have that space for living, and nobody is living in there.

[@kevinb.2595]

As someone who used to write a lot of graff when I was younger, I gotta say, this is absolute king/queen shit. Anyone who was part of this project should live in infamy forever in the LA graff scene.

[@thebigshep]

This is why Brutalism actually has the potential to actually be sick (I think it is already, but most people don't)-- big ass concrete walls for art, and also maybe plants. Concrete gang til I die 💪

[@parrot998]

Just look at the old soviet blockhousing nowadays. A lick of paint and they go from kinda uncanny looking to gorgeous.

[@KavsLockedOut]

ive always been a big fan of brutalism. not only what you mentioned but the brutalist era in the UK has brought about some of the absolute sickest parkour and skate spots.

[@jackbucher2049]

Okay hear me out, but what if there was a style of architecture that allowed for large murals but still looked good and not utterly depressing without them

[@parrot998]

@@jackbucher2049 Well that knocks out like... basically all modern architecture. Art Deco or Art Nouveau revival perhaps?

[@jackbucher2049]

@@parrot998 now you're talking!

[@kohth5027]

We going all city with this one

[@asscheeks3212]

Being a second Brazil is apparently very based

[@user-yz7cd9eb4c]

Very

[@terrencebushell9588]

This is some Judge Dredd dystopian shit... I fucking love it.

[@user-go8os2ut8s]

Dope ass movie 😅

[@CultureFiendMedia89]

Straight up the old PS2 game "Marc Eckō's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure"

[@XMysticHerox]

Most of the buildings are fine in a vacuum but anything next to a six lane road just automatically looks like shit.

[@juliangonzalez3749]

What’s Vaushs opinion on rich foreign investors buying land and property in the states? I’ve Never heard him talk about it. I personally think it’s a large problem and idk what the solution would be other than massive taxes on outside money

[@goose9515]

He doesn't really have a problem with globalisation I think, there's no real problem with foreign investors buying land as long as they build the right things, However if they're buying real estate as a speculative investment he'd be against that I'd say

[@shaggers8041]

I Agree with this but Skyscrapers are Sick asf, just Not when Made for the Sake of the Wealthy

[@jingbot1071]

We need solarpunk megabuildings

[@deeznoots6241]

Meh they’re just status symbol buildings. Its more efficient and cheaper to build loads of medium rise buildings(5-10 stories) and you still achieve a very high population density.

[@shaggers8041]

Cheaper Doesnt Matter Under Socialism. We can Build all the High Rises the People Want o7 @@deeznoots6241

[@whalewithgingerale]

PAINT THE CITY🔥🔥🔥

[@whalewithgingerale]

As a fellow vandal I'm so very proud of these artists their art is dope as hell.

[@drippyspaff7616]

If a billionaire paid them to do this they’d call it the most amazing art of the last 20 years. As it is, it may be my favorite piece of art in the last 20 years.

[@leewalker101172]

In the world of UK graffiti, this used to be called bombing not tagging. tagging is a script, usually a single colour, and usually done hastily to avoid getting caught. Bombing like this is usually the artists' name or their crew or some word relevant to them and takes a little more time, can be multiple colours and carried out in one of several distinct styles. Bearing in mind this was back in the eighties when I as a teenager used to run with a graf crew (TZC), Some of this is probably outdated. But these are not tags.

[@somerandommen]

In the Southern US, it's the opposite. Bombing means anything basic, done as fast as possible, cuz bomb explosions happen quickly and are over fast. Tagging means something done with more care/planning, cuz it leaves a "tag" of the artist's style, something unique to them. (Bombing has lost use as a term too, rarely hear it.)

[@stevendorries]

In LA, where the story takes place, this is called tagging.

[@jingbot1071]

It's called "negging"

[@culturedcritters]

I really love how the 'One Way' sign is pointing at the tagged windows, lol

[@user-go8os2ut8s]

Yooo I saw that. Shit is neat tho 😁

[@cara_s_15]

i spent a lot of time in spain this summer and the first thing i noticed was how much graffiti/street art there was all over the cities and highways. apparently there is a lot of support for the arts and it’s seen as cool and unique that buildings get tagged with this art, a lot of them have like painted murals too it’s really incorporated into the city aesthetic. i found it so interesting how different the attitudes could be towards things like this and how embraced the art was there.

[@LedZeppeli]

Skyscrapers aren’t inherently bad. If used to make affordable housing with multiple floors of shops and fun things to do like you get in Japan, they do a lot to make places in high demand affordable and fun to be in

[@AzureGreatheart]

It still baffles me that I'm not aware of any service you can pay to have these put on your building. Graffiti art looks amazing.

[@icypeanutpolo]

The word he was looking for at the beginning is “low rise”

[@NonEuclideanTacoCannon]

I'm conflicted on this one. Tagging a whole entire sky scraper is pretty dope. But at the same time, it makes me think of Judge Dread. I think it would have been much cooler to squat the shit out of that building.

[@smaakjeks]

The reporter being all, "Known in the milieu as "TAGGING"" tickled me

[@agollumcalledgandalf]

Almost across the street from my old apartment there was an identical, abandoned 10 story construction site and it had been bombed the exact same way. Agreed, dope af

[@Dhi_Bee]

I watched the German in Venice video & a bunch of haters commenting it’s ugly & vandalism & I was saying if anything the graffiti made ugly, Chinese money-laundered buildings more palatable. They did something here (Miami) during Art Basel to an abandoned building & it looked so cool. It also reminds me of 5 Pointz building (RIP) every time I went to NYC

[@Trainguyrom]

When I was visiting LA recently I was floored at how nobody walked or biked anywhere in a city so uniquely positioned to always be perfect walking/biking weather. I saw a coffee shop was 3 blocks away and said "oh hey I'll walk there and get some coffee" and could tell from folk's reactions and from having to interrupt some contractor's lunch they were spending on the narrow sidewalk of the home they were working on to walk past that I was the weirdo for deciding to walk there and not hop in a car to drive 3 very small blocks.

[@ThisGuyAd.]

The Colombo line got me

[@katyungodly]

My only gripe is when someone sprays a shitty no-effort tag on top of actual art.

[@veneratlazulum2033]

I don't know the proximity of these locations, but it is frustrating to see all these empty buildings in a city with one of the largest homeless camps on earth. How much money would they lose just to start moving the homeless people into these empty buildings, which are already abandoned projects anyway? I wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a few people secretly living in there. When a Walmart where I used to live got shut down, some homeless people figured out a clever way to sneak in so it was at least productive for that purpose. But of course, the city eventually kicked them out because it's apparently such an affront to financial interests of the city to give homeless people shelter in an unused building.

[@7rgrov198]

Just to add to the point about skyskrapers not always being bad: in Norway, nature preservation is severely challenged by expanding cities. Everyone wants a picket fence house and new, nice roads everywhere. Building 5+ story buildings in that case would be VERY benefitial as it would lead to less nature being dug up for houses, roads etc

[@kyleyoung2464]

"Nobody walks in la" i love missing persons, such a good band. Who knew a song written in the 80s would still be true to this day.

[@SorcererVtuber]

This is straight out of the game "Mark Ecko's: GETTING UP"

[@samiamrg7]

I live near Chicago, and yeah, there are a lots of ground floor shops and restaurants in these skyscrapers. The sidewalks and roads alike are packed. It is bizarre to see a downtown area with no people or shops or anything.

[@deadfr0g]

Ocean-Wide Plaza is the reason that Super Mario Sunshine 2 was never released.

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

We need windows with that coating some busses have where it is an artwork from the outside but you can still see through the window.

[@garrettwhite3922]

Actually that is just a matter of making the image a mesh, from the side with a glare and further away (outside) your brain fills the blanks but from the other side it does the opposite because you are closer and there is less glare.

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

@@garrettwhite3922 i know how they work I am just saying we need it on buildings

[@heavysystemsinc.]

Theres literally a song by Missing Persons from 1982 called "Walking In LA" and its about how the city sucks for walking and "only a nobody walks in LA".

[@user-go8os2ut8s]

I'ma look that up 😊

[@MrHodoAstartes]

So I just came home from a trip to Hannover, known as the most aggressively mid place in Germany. And I went there by train, met my buddies at the station, walked into a cinema to watch The Boy And The Heron (loved all the plays on Romantic Art, Toteninsel ahoy!), took a subway to a nice Korean place in a very walkable neighborhood with narrow streets and barely any cars to fill up on bulgogi and soju. In an hour, I reached the city center from roughly 90 miles away. From a different town, past the flooded lowlands. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine driving into LA by car. So much horrid driving surrounded by the horrible tempers of American motorists through grid-like streets stretching to the horizon.

[@speclove1]

😂they would consider it a work of art in 30 years

[@gazelle1467]

Why 30 years? It is a work of art. They're literally made of paint, it's as art as an art can be.

[@void-creature]

You can really tell he grew up next to Beverley hills by how rightfully angry he gets in this segment

[@agit-prop8193]

Shoutout to my man Gustavo Arellano's piece in the LA Times on the 'controversy.' The guy always gets it. For those who don't know, his column '¡Ask a Mexican!' for the OC Weekly back in the day was a must read for those who loved to read him take down dim-witted saltines with his razor-sharp wit. Nobody can own a Gabacho like Arellano. Edit: Fix white boy punctuation.

[@carimavandijk1091]

Also the amount of taxdollars that go into catching the graffiti artists is insane. Saw multiple video's of police helicoptes pointing search lights into the building. A lot of security and police officers at the ground of the building every night (as I've heard, I'm not from there unfortunately) it's crazy, this is private property right? Why put so much tax dollars into stopping this private property from getting some happy looking paint on it

[@hinzster]

The "interest" in these ruins (because that's what they are, urban ruins) is certainly only to collect public money, not to finish it or tear it down and build something useful . It'll stay a ruin until it gets so bad it crumbles by itself. Btw. this is happening all over China, they're building whole abandoned cities to pull money out of their more resourceful citizens. When you hear about China fighting poverty and winning, this is it, they build high-rises with no intention of ever having anybody live there or use them for anything else. These people haven't come out of poverty, they replaced their poverty with something else.

[@TARINunit9]

Since everything else has already been said, let's talk about that antonym question at the end. Best I can tell, "dense" seems to have been shifted over the years. "Dense" was originally a quality, and you would have "high-density" and "low-density," but eventually "high-density" just got truncated to "dense" and that's why it doesn't have an antonym. Sort of like "high-speed" and "low-speed;" the antonyms used to be "fast and slow" but eventually "speed" got rolled into "fast"

[@FloridaMan12345]

Give this man an honorary AICP!

[@lzmunch]

In math and stats I believe dense and sparse are opposites

[@FelisImpurrator]

I don't have an antonym for dense, but I do have a perfect synonym for it: Chat.

[@Matyniov]

Grafiti is somehow worse than a 5 year old unfinished development...

[@syddlinden8966]

Omfg they hit every floor on every corner? Fuuuck that is dedicated commitment to action. Looks dope af and the artists should be proud.

[@jyw0000]

God I love it when Vūntč talks about urbanism.

[@dearyvettetn4489]

Some commenter lamenting the lack of a unified graffiti mural, which would have taken a helluva coordination effort, but I guarantee you that there are young avante guard architects somewhere in the world that are 😲inspired. Full building skyscraper murals coming to a city near you…. As a native NY’er and designer, I appreciate the initial aesthetic and the conversation starter about affordable housing ✊🏽

[@Disthron]

Okay, I might be naïve, but after the bit on the LA skyline at 22:30 I feel like LA could use more high-rise housing. I mean, I'd want it to be affordable housing. I know this is kind of pie in the sky but I think the best outcome would be to create affordable housing in the city centre and as people move out of the suburbs have the government buy up the homes, demolish them and seed them with plants. I mean, we could build alternate city centres, like we can see that mid-rise centre in between the main city hub and the observatory. We could build that up a bit. While it's true that the higher you make a building the more energy it costs to keep all the services running, but if I'm not mistaken spreading everything out is even worse?

[@jequirity1]

LA *needs* high rise housing, and lots of it. As of now, there are so few units near the city center that they're all eye-wateringly expensive. California stopped building as much housing as we'd have needed to keep pace with the population increase in around '08, and now all of that is coming due. Densify, densify, densify. And you're right about high rises costing less for services than their low-rise counterparts. Pipes, wires, road costs, public transit, heating/ cooling, all are more efficient when building up than when building out. Elevators, even, are an extremely energy- efficient method of getting around due to having a counterweight-- it's mostly gravity doing the work. We need urban density, badly.

[@hithere5553]

Looking at the observatory picture and seeing an endless sea of single family housing gave me a small existential crisis of the hubris of mankind

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

"LUXURY APARTMENTS" *These aren't even finished, let alone Luxurious.*

[@SilverDragonJay]

"This is called 'tagging'" Ohhhhh I thought it was called a tomato. also, man, I'm so glad that they are mobilizing noisy helicopters to idle and do laps around the neighborhood and shine bright lights at the mostly glass building. Couldn't have people 'tagging,' what an eyesore that would be!