Justice League Snyder Cut 2021 v Theatrical 2017 | FRAME BY FRAME Comparison | Superman v The League

[@Draknalor186]

Sadly i can only give you 1 view and 1 like, even tho this video deserves millions

[@AtheistNihilist]

Aww. Thanks so much. What a lovely comment!

[@Draknalor186]

@Kylen Raul Could you keep your scamm spamm off of my conversation please?

[@Ksifannumberone]

@@Draknalor186 you @ the wrong person I think

[@davindestroyer]

Your wish is coming true

[@tironeslupita4116]

@Spectrums Harmony 3

[@vijaeaanchanan1123]

Joss whedon's logic:superman doesn't remember anything that's why he is attacking but he remember the dialogue from previous movie

[@atwunz]

@Micolash Snyder is worse than a moron.

[@FlorderreyVello]

You are not right. Why is he going strait to Batman. He attacks him directly mostly ignoring the others. Why? It seems he remember something.

[@bubdubs5294]

@@FlorderreyVello think he’s implying that he’s supposed to not know who he is yet remembers dialogue a day or two before he died.

[@chosengen1able]

In this version he still kinda does remember batman because he was going straight for him but think this version does it better without the dialogue; because here, he doesn't remember much but he still remembers his fight with batman

[@AtheistNihilist]

I think in both versions he reacts negatively to Batman. In both versions he spots Batman and goes after him personally while other members try to stop him.

[@SuperCaders]

“Tell me, do you bleed?” So Superman comes back to life, remembers nothing, but he remembers that one line?

[@MrIronhat]

But why would superman try to kill Batman if he doesn't remember? Against the other league members sup was passive until cyborg's misfire. Batman had not acted in any aggressive manner but sup went straight for him, even ignoring Diana who headbutted him. And if superman doesn't remember at all, them Louis walking in was a death sentence for her.

[@davidkosiba624]

@@MrIronhat The difference is that he doesn't remember clearly in the Snyder Cut, he probably has flashes but that's it , in the Josstice League he seems like he remembers everything , but in reality he only remembers that one line while forgetting everything else which is stupid

[@suhtangwong]

One of the most iconic phrases of 2017!

[@LevCallahan]

Not to mention it being completely nonsensical to say. Superman: "Tell me. Do you bleed?" Me, watching: "Uh yeah. Because he's human. Why would you ask that?"

[@CmdrShepard1001]

@@LevCallahan It's a callback from Batman vs Superman, when Batman says, "Do you bleed? You will."

[@LisaMcCrissican]

“Most flattering Cavill physique shot.” Snyder knew what we wanted. Also can we straight up appreciate the amount of work Cavill puts in to keep himself in such incredible shape?

[@VicMackeyful]

Steroids

[@Сайтамен]

As if we didn't see Cavill's body in two previous movies...

[@justinkurniawan7125]

@@IoiniEverson of course he use ped. Wouldn't want to wait 3-5 years to achieve it naturally

[@RustyIsScared]

@@IoiniEverson Cavill doesnt do peds. wich is pretty obvious if you had any knowledge. He has a very obtainable natural physique, and has had steady progress over the years and never looked anything absurd. I dont think you should be too quick to jump the gun on every person because ur lazy ass doesnt lift. Hes not hugh jackman or chris hemsworth.

[@RustyIsScared]

@@justinkurniawan7125 nope.

[@YoMrRice]

Amazing how with context, Cyborg attacking Clark makes sense

[@AtheistNihilist]

Cyborg's dream sequence is a great scene and should have been kept.

[@Mark_LaCroix]

Does it? In the theatrical cut, Cyborg is malfunctioning throughout the film and doesn't have a full understanding or control over his abilities. In the Snyder cut, he's the master of the universe and nothing is out of his control. His auto-defense system makes the exact same amount of sense in both versions. None. But I'd argue it makes even less sense in Snyder's cut. I mean, why did the system turn off immediately afterward, once Superman *actually* becomes a threat? I don't see him shooting a lot of missiles in that scene after that first one.

[@silentbliss7666]

@@Mark_LaCroix maybe Cyborg was able to reconfigure his auto defense system while the rest diverge Superman's attention? There is really nothing that Cyborg cannot do digitally right?

[@AimYTYT]

@@Mark_LaCroix yeah in this case, cyborg's one-off response seems illogical

[@NecroxProduction]

How does it make sense? This is literally the only moment when Cyborg's auto-defense system does something. Not only did Snyder not fix the movie, he made some parts even worse. That's an achievement.

[@malcolmdevlin3434]

Snyder's cut just makes so much more sense cuz he didn't cut out the explanations. They tell us how the Motherbox works, so we understand how it can resurrect Supes. Cybord has a vision of evil Supes so his defense mechanism triggers. Also when Bats arrives and helps the soldier I just love that part,

[@AtheistNihilist]

👍

[@skychieftain]

Oh really? Enlighten us on how the motherbox resurrected superman. I'd like to see what you got, or rather, what the director has said

[@jazcena]

@@skychieftain lmao you sound like a bully

[@villi872]

@@skychieftain The explanation given is that they’re “Change” machines, that rearrange things on a molecular level. If you burn a house down and turn it into smoke, the motherboxes can turn the smoke back into a house.

[@skychieftain]

@@villi872 except that the analogy is bad and the explanation is scientifically wrong. The house doesn't entirely convert to smoke. There's chemical change as well as physical change. If you try to convert the smoke back into the house you will get an incomplete house due to the other components that didn't become smoke in the first place

[@hsefilms5994]

I love how Zach’s cut just make everyone seem more human, Batman helping the solider, the longer reaction shots, cyborgs context and so on. The only thing I don’t like better is the fact he muted the colors more. I respect the choice but I feel like it tends to be too much/overdone in action movies.

[@Dorculaura]

I feel he was giving us the DCU comics vibe, you know...dark?

[@fattahhh]

Well it's dawn buddy. Not daylight as theatrical

[@SuccubiSage]

I'd rather that than the oversaturation in Josstice League.

[@SWDude2710]

I believe I heard someone compare his colour grading in the Snyder cut to that of a graphic novel, and the theatrical cut to a Saturday morning cartoon, or something like that.

[@thz-1827]

Its the Dc style.

[@professorrowan6945]

He didn’t “reuse” any theatrical shots. Any shots that were in the theatrical cut that were also in the Snyder Cut meant that they were originally Zack’s shots.

[@peterp2153]

I think he meant that because of the aspect ratio change, that effects-heavy set of shots may have needed to have been backed out and then re-rendered. But because that’s expensive and time consuming, Snyder just had the VFX crew do some clever hiding of the stretching by using speed force distortions. Notice that unlike other shots where we get more of the picture in the frame, those shots have the same framing despite the crane now being thinner and taller. It’s possible that the VFX for those shots were already completed before Snyder left, so in reality it’s not so much Snyder Re-using theatrical footage, but Snyder Re-using his own finished footage but adjusting it based on the theatrical print for technical reasons.

[@MHouston602]

@@peterp2153 No - Snyder shot the whole thing in imax ratio - Joss smashed down his stuff not the other way around. If you see the same thing in the theatrical that you see in the SnyderCut, it’s because it was already in the cut before Snyder left in March 2017. Snyder has never even seen the theatrical version - only what he shot and his vfx team worked on before he left. When he came back for the hbomax thing he picked up his work from March 2017 and went from there. Joss cut and reshot zack’s work but zack never touched a thing Joss did. Never. He only worked with his own stuff from March 2017.

[@larc7thheaven]

@@peterp2153 most logical explanation is snyder worked with widescreen first as studio mandate, and then he left in post production. Since in the snyder's cut deal gave him full creative control he decided to change the aspect ratio hence the stretched scene

[@krispie1214]

Yep most of what the fight scenes in justice league 2017 were from Zack joss cut out some parts and made every single secondof the movie horrible to watch hope Zack gets to direct justice league 2 and 3

[@carrottoponcrak]

@@larc7thheaven Zack said he agreed to a 2.35 release and a 1.66 release and hoped his full 4:3 vision would have been in imax. Joss' vfx cut some scenes permanently the bastard, but much of ZSJL was either restoring the originally shot 4:3 image or re-rendering the missing bits. Some shots tho were forcefully cropped to 4:3, due again to Joss' vfx permanently deleting the hidden image

[@sansukanaka]

Makes more sense superman going for the kill immediately when he sees batman, no slaps, no tossing around nor threatening, not talking at all. Directly for the heat ray vision like Homelander. He has no memories until seeing the love of his live triggers them back. Dwayne Johnson is the key #restorethesnyderverse

[@AtheistNihilist]

Yeah, Whedon wanted to have a zinger filled dialog exchange.

[@itsalwayssomething7490]

Not to mention how if he remembers Batman, then he has some kind of memory, especially repeating a very specific line Batman says to him. Then why would he still be fighting until Lois gets there? How would he say " I know you" and still not know who he is himself? I don't even think he remembers Batman in ZSJL, more so that he sees another threat. Way more threatening that he doesn't talk.

[@thorsten13999]

i do like the toss though, like batman was garbage

[@wifine1951]

Nah, he probably had the same vision as cyborg and saw Louis die and wanted to kill Batman up until he saw Louis

[@tahiatnawal]

How is Dwayne Johnson the key?

[@heiseiren7660]

I like how in the original cut it seems more like Clark is acting on pure instinct rather than actual anger. He doesn’t actually say anything until Lois shows up when his memory starts to jog in the right direction. I imagine probably seeing Bruce had something of an opposite effect where he probably felt immediate priority on him since, y’know.

[@voicingdragoon7]

His memory was already jogged, he knew Diana's move, so he remembers their fight with Doomsday.

[@lebronjamesharden3958]

better than Avengers amirite?

[@AlexTM44]

I don't see it as he knew WW's move, but that he was being attacked and saw that she was about to do something, and was faster in stopping her

[@al6243]

Lol, the commentary about Cavill's physique. Can't blame you tho, his physique is truly super.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Ha! Cavill and Snyder definitely like to show off a bit.

[@KhoiV]

😩😩😩 i want him to lazer me

[@vnquoctru]

He's a literal god

[@sth9465]

@@KhoiV pervert

[@willstallman2766]

Snyder is a fitness junky and has said in interviews he likes to display the peak human physical form in his films. Like Dr Manhattan in watchmen. Part of the reason for his aspect ratio decision in the S-cut is so he can display the entire bodies of his characters. Also makes them seem more Intimidating and strong. Especially with a character like superman it helps to show that rather than just saying "yeh he strong because he superman"

[@docdelta]

9:45 “Batman removed from theatrical as he is lying elsewhere...” - definitely bleeding.

[@AtheistNihilist]

:D

[@kevezperez8684]

Yea, the video skipped that dumb joke.

[@3Guys1Video]

@@AtheistNihilist XD

[@CarlosGomes-yc3nm]

Imagine if Snyder's only change in his version was the "Kal El, no" removed.

[@MGB_2024]

I haven't seen the full cut yet, but that short moment of Batman helping the downed soldier was great. Such a moment of humanity and heroism

[@AtheistNihilist]

Also shows how useless the military was.

[@beastyboi8580]

@@AtheistNihilist everything is useless against Superman except one thing

[@horseoperamarker]

@@beastyboi8580 kryptonite

[@GustavoFerreira-jg7io]

go for the full movie. Probably the most wholeaweasome snyder movie ever. Those guys are actually heroes saving people

[@TheWarlockGamma]

@@AtheistNihilist and how well would you do if all you had to combat superman was a rifle?

[@ryankim9203]

Just imagine how these tiny details make a whole difference.

[@AtheistNihilist]

The devil is in the detail.

[@srmakadanieleltravieso2665]

40 millions of details, better make another movie with that money xd

[@TheRalouch]

They dont

[@lweasel54]

They don't though, I got the same experience with the original release that I got with Zachs!! The changes are so minimal!!

[@MrKamei]

@@lweasel54 perhaps you did not watch it with enthusiasm and thirst for changes. Or, unfortunately, you are no fan of any DC superheroes. I will tell you one point, in Josstice League, Superman was the main character, he is the strongest, fastest and smartest ass and made the other superheroes as local comedy postmen hurting all the fans of other superheroes. But in ZSJL that did not happen, every character is powerful and important, each one takes their own part. The reason why they resurrected Superman is just because the enemy is too strong and they are outnumbered. They needed another hero to help them. That makes a whole lot different, my friend.

[@literallyjustisaac3521]

One thing i really appreciate about the Snyder Cut is it highlights their physical struggles more. The Whedon Cut cuts out a lot of their struggling but the Snyder Cut lingers on them, for example, trying to hold Superman for longer. This is especially apparent if you watch the Steppenwolf vs Amazonians battle in both the Whedon and Snyder Cuts. Theres so much physical struggle that engages you more that is just gone from the Whedon Cut

[@BrettMattHarris]

I remember corridor digital pointed this out when comparing the vfx between the synder and theatrical cuts how showing that impact of them falling on the ground adds more to the scene. It's the really small stuff that brings out the most which isn't something you think or even consider until you see it in action.

[@yanaferenal5881]

True plus it's nice to see how all of then had their own shots, not just superman's sidekicks. Synder's deliver a whole different emotion.

[@nunocampos1805]

I believe what Zach said was that he would rather burn the whole movie down if a single shot he didn’t photograph was used. He never said anything about not using footage from the theatrical cut. Your amazing comparison just proves how useless and pathetic the reshoots were. The better movie was already in the can prior to Whedon coming into the mix, Zack knew what he was doing.

[@AtheistNihilist]

You are right. Zack used those few shots because they were Zack's shots in the first place. They were completed before he left, so they were his shots from the get go.

[@bowserjjumetroid3645]

@@AtheistNihilist Yeah, I think those shots may've natively been filmed in 1.85:1, then did that stretching FVX to bring it to the 1.33:1 ratio.

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@bowserjjumetroid3645 All shots were originally natively filmed in 1.33. They were finished at 1.85 and it might have been too expensive to do the VFX for them all over again so they took a 1.33 crop of the 1.85 which was already a crop of the original 1.33.

[@bowserjjumetroid3645]

@@AtheistNihilist All right, thanks!

[@ge2719]

he knew what he wanted to do. it was still a terrible exposition filled, overly dramatic hollow dialogue filled mess of impossible visions/dreams/nightmares and flash backs. snyder should never write these. and neither should dave freaking goyer or chris terrio.

[@SCOLT7]

Nice! Finally someone who actually puts the frames together to the correct scale. Thanks for this 👍

[@AtheistNihilist]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@anhnhvn]

Exactly. Most other comparison vids resize the Snyder cut down to the same height as theatrical.

[@LevCallahan]

I remember first watching Whedon's version and hearing Danny Elfman's score hearken back to John Williams' Superman theme, and thought, "But... that's a totally different Superman. Why are you referencing John Williams?"

[@6-dpegasus425]

The Kal-El line in Snyder's version is actually slightly different

[@AtheistNihilist]

Slightly being the operative word. :D

[@EobardKhan]

This is an amazing analysis - particularly well done on the reused footage comparisons!

[@raam726]

@@AtheistNihilist but better. You pointed out every slight difference but that one's not important apparently? But Good job anyway. 👍

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@raam726 I mean I didn't see it as significant. And if you see the earlier part of the video, I only had audio from one cut at a time and for this scene I chose to keep her original line reading simple because it is so iconic now! :D

[@gudhaxer41343]

Better but still off. Clark would've been better with her accent.

[@rollingbecks7047]

I like that you don't just compare, but explain the situation.

[@justinejhay]

The only thing interesting on Joss Whedon's JL was when Clark stumbles after he lands on the ground that gives you the parameter how superman feels coming back from the dead.

[@AtheistNihilist]

A popular sentiment.

[@argusy3866]

I liked Lois arrival in Josstice. Being use as a deterrent by Batman is very smart and something he would totally do. In Snyders she just happens to know and runs to the memorial, its kinda meh in comparisson.

[@filipealbanolm]

@@argusy3866 i think the Same, deus ex machina.

[@BonusDuckie]

@@argusy3866 Hmmm I agree but I personally like it on Zacks too because it shows how superman wouldn't stop to kill batman. Yes its lucky, but it shows without any dialogue what Superman was thinking.

[@tripZ11358]

Makes it more human but that's what doesn't make it work because dude should be all juiced up after being revived with Flash's current and the motherbox (No Sun-ray's needed to get back to health.) Also in the whedon cut, when he is revived, he's like stumbling in the air but in Snyder cut he is tall and straight

[@BigBoss_670]

I honestly really like the Snyder Cut aspect ratio. You actually get to see the full picture of the shot instead of it being stretched or cutting the shot out.

[@AtheistNihilist]

👍

[@lebronjamesharden3958]

better than Avengers amirite?

[@Jozombies115]

@@lebronjamesharden3958 As much as I like Avengers, I enjoy rewatching DC movies way more. Superman and Batman alone are more interesting than most Marvel heroes combined. The flash and wonder woman are also really good.

[@yogaza2]

@@Jozombies115I’m with you on that. I have recently been rewatching BvS and Man of Steel, and the dialogue and characters are just so much more interesting.

[@drubus311]

it's so bad wdym

[@CardboardManpropsDIY]

Your editing and attention to detail is remarcable!!

[@painepunk8947]

“Something is definitely bleeding.” And that is Joss’s Justice League.

[@AtheistNihilist]

The famous/infamous line!

[@mervstash3692]

Who else is going to give you a reach-around? Great improvement. lol

[@nkxseal8398]

@@mervstash3692 makes sense for jokers character to say shit like that. Batman joking like that makes no sense

[@GopherBaroque61]

The Dark Knight relegated to punch lines... Yeah that fits his character... sure... uh huh... right.

[@mervstash3692]

@@nkxseal8398 Oh sorry, it's gets a pass because Snyder & Terrio wrote it. Apart from everything that Ray Fisher was in, the prologue was easily the worst part of the movie.

[@nolan8226]

8:38 "Cavill still in Superman shape for reshoots, a year after original filming." Because of course he is, what a freakin beast

[@AtheistNihilist]

:D

[@captainjacksparrow1518]

It is his job to stay in shape.. I mean if I was getting paid millions I'd be Bruce Lee

[@nolan8226]

@@captainjacksparrow1518 Not exactly, he doesn't get paid to stay in shape a year after the job ends

[@captainjacksparrow1518]

@@nolan8226 i didn't mean from the same movie.. like every movie he's gonna be in they need him in shape and for him to stay in shape is making money for him.. even the modelling he does. He gets paid because of his name and body.

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@captainjacksparrow1518 He was shooting Mission Impossible with Tom Cruise when the JL reshoots happened.

[@QTEEP]

That mustache removal is so rough lol

[@AntiRellik]

The more I look at this the more it looks like Zack Snyder's Justice League is the E3 demo and Josstice League is the retail release. lmfao

[@AtheistNihilist]

:D

[@TheDarkstar3601]

Amen

[@cybercery5271]

Well the only thing that bugs me about the znyder cut is the aspect ratio and the colors look ugly I think I was too overhyped and was ultimately disappointed by this movie

[@vishnutheetharappan7074]

@@cybercery5271 Yea some of the colors look better, but some look a lot worse. The flash, cyborg, and wonder woman look a lot worse. Superman, batman, and aquaman look the same. But superman's lasers look much better along with some of the other more over saturated shots in the theatrical cut.

[@cybercery5271]

@@vishnutheetharappan7074 yeah the grey tone doesnt sit well with me makes me want to drink rainbow coloured juice but thats just me

That's the best comparison i've seen so far, congrats!

[@AtheistNihilist]

Glad you think so!

[@melancholyentertainment]

Yeah, it's really clear and well put together.

[@dip1697]

It's amazing how many more shots and how longer scenes can be when not constrained to not be too long for a theater

[@jeancaceres7670]

I would pay for watching both versions being compared like this. Excellent work!

[@AtheistNihilist]

Ha! Maybe I should I consider that. :D

[@arrownoir]

@@AtheistNihilist That’s a lot of work, would be much appreciated if it does indeed happen.

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@arrownoir I shall try!

[@jglumi]

@@AtheistNihilist At least step by step, in a youtube playlist. You have a lot of work done already.

[@amarawinchester963]

One side of your screen will be black most of the time 😂

[@jacquesrivette2956]

Snyder is a very generous guy! A lot of people didn’t understand that. Snyder gave it all when it comes to aspect ratio, length of the movie, charactor development, etc..

[@AtheistNihilist]

Yep, literally through the kitchen sink in there. The movie is definitely a 7 course meal.

[@mervstash3692]

yep, great planning to use that aspect ratio when it's only going to be seen on a bunch of widescreen TV's & phones

[@mrwayne425]

@Nguyễn Hải Dương It would've been the same in theaters.Have you forgotten how long the lord of the rings movies were?

[@TheUltimateWriterNZ]

@@mrwayne425 lol no it wouldn’t. This version would never have gotten to theatres. The release only happened because of Covid and HBO max needing to be launched. WB didn’t approve this, AT&T dictated the release to them to launch their streaming service. Snydertards are ridiculous.

[@victorlim3534]

@@TheUltimateWriterNZ Go home and watch your marvel in disney channel

[@wheeler6768]

I love comparisons like these. It really puts into perspective just how much was changed. I feel bad for the editor who had to trim a 4 hour film down to 2 hours #RestoreTheSnyderverse

[@muhammedraashid3667]

Almost every movie is trimmed to fit the 2 or 3 hour time frame.

[@geeboysgamesandmore49]

Funny how this fight was probably the best part of the theatrical version in my eyes. And now I know it’s because it was mostly Snyder’s direction.

[@dausthrowaway4349]

Still wierd that Batman and Lois still yell out "Clark!" openly in front of the police

[@alexhetherington8028]

In that moment the fate of the world rested on trying to get Clark back as was saving the lives of the Justice league members. Bruce didn't give it a thought because he needed to appeal to his humanity. Plus why would yelling Clark mean anything. There are a million Clarks

[@AtheistNihilist]

I mean you have to take that as suspension of disbelief.

[@TheWarlockGamma]

Tbf, Clark is a fairly common name. It's not like they threw Kent in there with it.

[@Tucanforpres001]

Lois doesn't ever really call him Superman so that would be dumb. She just saw the love of her life come back from the dead. She's not really thinking about the two cops just standing there. Batman hasn't had many conversations with him and knows his name is actually Clark. So in that moment he'd refer to him by his actual name if he wanted to talk sense to him. Plus it's a very common name. Not like anyone is gonna know who he even is.

[@Sismanski]

Humanity and the Earth is about to get wiped out of existence, if they can't turn Clark or Superman back to their side. They don't give a damn about his hidden identity at this point I guess. And as some mentioned it's just Clark, not Kent. Though smart Police, would know Lois knows one Clark very well, and that in fact is Kent. Besides, I don't remember for sure, but isn't the world already aware of Clark Kent being Superman, since he died and got buried?

[@djbubblegum9975]

Wow, I thought because of the box proportions we were seeing less of the sides and more of the top and bottom, but no, you just straight up see more overall in the Snyder Cut. That's actually pretty cool.

[@aphilbin6857]

The subtle, yet impactful difference in the delivery of “Kal El, no” may single-handedly be the best change in the Snyder Cut.

[@user-gp5tl1dq7m]

yeah i saw that change too it was great

[@AtheistNihilist]

The definitly redubbed that line.

[@CayeDaws]

You are reaching hard right now. That part should have been cut all together

[@obsessivegel3979]

It still sounds like Tommy Wiseau.

[@JBoxy7]

This is sarcasm right?

[@startmirca]

I like this comparison. It is very professional, descriptive , unbiased and doesn't seem to fanboy for either side by putting funny music over it. Instead of bitching how Whedon ruined the scene, you actually point out what was in the theatrical and Snyder's versions. We need more well done comparisons like these. Take my like.

[@cameronasani7888]

🤓

[@spartansquid5931]

I think both movies are shit, but I definitely agree with the comment, there's absolutely nothing wrong with how this KZbinr goes about his videos and they can be enjoyed regardless.

[@blackoverblueskies6221]

This must've taken hours to do, thanks!

[@mainstream2226]

Not only do I wanna give you mad props for this awesome cut, but also for replying to and liking almost every comment I have scrolled past. A true gentleman.

[@AtheistNihilist]

And here's a reply for you as well. Thank you!

[@AAvfx]

Snyder did a perfect job the first time, he just wanted to give us the real taste of what was commercially handled later! 10/10 vs. 6/10. Pure Triumph! R.E.S.P.E.C.T! 🏆

[@AtheistNihilist]

👍

[@AAvfx]

@Pharaoh I think that's the best a production team could create giving the budget and footage. That's my humble opinion.

[@MatheMachtSpaß]

I cannot take those Snyder fanboys serious. xD The Godfather Is a 10/10, JL is more like 3/10 it has so many flaws. Characters are flat, story is badly written, CGI looks terrible, and the pacing is a disaster. Whedon actually didn't change that much, the biggest problems of justice league are still there. C'mon guys please remove your fanboy glasses.

[@bluesblues465]

@@MatheMachtSpaß you sound pretentious. Nobody is even talking about The Godfather. It’s only a comparison between the two versions of Justice League, and Snyder’s was leagues (pun intended) better

[@coolbeans3752]

0/10 He used all of Snyder scenes.

[@Eli-xt3fs]

Haven’t seen Justice League, haven’t seen Snyder Cut. This video has me starting Snyder Cut this week. Good work, yo.

[@ETeedProductions]

Snyder framed every shot for 4:3 as a way of giving the film a consistent aspect ratio when it would be projected onto IMAX screens. Interesting approach rather than filming 100% in IMAX (even though that would have costed a lot more). More interesting he decided to leave it that way for this release. I think it works regardless and find it amazing how he approached the cinematography like this

[@AtheistNihilist]

He framed for 1.85 but used a 1.33 negative so that is could be projected in IMAX. This was routinely done for films earlier - for example Shining, Eyes Wide Shut etc.

[@ComradeVenus]

He said he prefers the aspect ratio as well because it made the heroes look taller. It's definitely an interesting choice and I respect it

[@martinhansen6802]

Snyderverse is the only verse i am interested in now! He basically set up the entire DCU with this film!

[@AtheistNihilist]

👍

[@bobgenghiskhan1397]

The distortion that Zack used for the speed force scene here looks amazing.

[@vikramsubramaniam6699]

9:19- Lois’s face is orange in the whedon cut lmaoo

[@martinqizeaq]

Whedon tend to oversaturated the whole scene. It's like all the character feels like CGI. Too colorful.

[@CS-pg4go]

@@martinqizeaq even the grass looks CGI...

[@vikramsubramaniam6699]

@@martinqizeaq he oversaturated everything. The sky is literally orange in the farm scene with Clark and Lois.

[@AtheistNihilist]

They definitely cranked the saturation dial a bit too high.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Yes, the coloring is definiely off.

[@micky270]

a rare example for people like me knowing nothing about film production nor editing to get a glimpse of how these things can affect the final produce.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Thank you!

[@victorsahni2071]

Justice League Snyder Cut Superman vs Justice League scene is much better than 2017.

[@al6243]

Oooh actually, I kinda prefer the stumbling Superman. Makes it seem how disorienting it must have been to be raised back from the dead. I also prefer that there was a dramatic sting when Superman's eye started to follow Flash. Makes it more scary and shocking for me. Other than that, for everything else, I prefer Snyder's version. Also, this was the best comparison video I've seen so far. Very good job KZbin person.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Thanks a lot!

[@vitality7285]

Joss's superman looks like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar when lois shows up, Synder's on the other hand give the impression he had a sorta, realization of what he was doing, and even some immediate regret. Either way, Herny Cavell still kills it in both......well expect for "Do YoU BlEeEeEeEd???"

[@AtheistNihilist]

And that terrifying CGI mouth in the theatrical.

[@TheRealBGregz]

Herny Cavell? 🤣

[@realriorex]

I think they told him to deliver that line without moving his upper lip to help the CG guys.

[@ArchangelExile]

Except

[@frankborchers7790]

Robocop 2

[@miri893]

the original was reviewed by fans with 2.7 stars and Zack's was 4.8 stars the amount of difference the reviews have its speachless

[@paulpereira7735]

I like how you added a bit of "production context" to why some frames are missing, the aspect ratio and so on. Also I remember a stunt actor saying that by the time a movie is realeased, there's someting around 3 to 4 times the movie lenght in unused footage, like other versions of the same scene or just scenes that didnt make the cut. Made me apreciate even more the work of movie editors.

[@AtheistNihilist]

The art of film-making is essentially the art of editing. Editing is where the film comes to life and you have to be brave and cut all extraneous stuff.

[@mitchisreal]

@2:11 imagine being the most advanced cybernetic organism in the world and you just malfunction for some unknown reason. Thanks a lot for the reshoot, Joss.

[@DeadRabbids]

happens when the original guy cant get his story done in less than four hours. Gotta cut shit out.

[@mitchisreal]

@@DeadRabbids The theatrical could've been 2.5 hours to make it more comprehensible but WB has their heads up their asses still to this day. 2 hours is not enough when only 2/6 of the characters had their own backstory.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Yeah, the entire motivation for Cyborg's attack is taken out.

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@DeadRabbids The theatrical cut was just brutal. Dunno why WB put that 2 hr requirement. Seems insane.

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@mitchisreal Had the theatrical been 2.5 hours, then maybe the Snyder cut wouldn't have happened. In a way that time compression let to decisions that led to he Snyder cut.

[@mrunwonted]

This video deserves a better explanation of the year award. Sadly this came to me after 1 yr. We cannot find much better than this video explaining what the meaning of difference is.

[@Matt_blmt]

"You won’t let me live, you won’t let me die" is the only good thing about the Whedoncut, even if it makes no sense that he’s talking, it’s still a really good line!

[@AtheistNihilist]

It is very Whedon, likely what the producer's hired him to write.

[@Matt_blmt]

@@AtheistNihilist it has a BvS vibe to me, but yeah no talking really makes the scene more intense

[@itsalwayssomething7490]

It's more so that he has memories, when he shouldn't. It lessens the impact of Lois being the one to jog his memory. If he remembers Batman tried to kill him, why doesn't he remember Diana, or himself? How can he remember a very specific line from BvS and not remember who he is? It's weird.

[@Matt_blmt]

@@itsalwayssomething7490 i never said it made sense i said i liked the line🤣🤷🏻‍♂️

[@itsalwayssomething7490]

@@Matt_blmt I wasn't criticizing you. Just an observation. Sorry

[@SCOLT7]

3:05 Actually Snyder said recently (I think on the CinemaBlend podcast) that it was framed and shot to be 1.66, and then compromised for the theatrical release being the widescreen format but that the home release was still to be 1.66. And then with the Snyder Cut and through he went for the 1.33 in the end.

[@AtheistNihilist]

I think there is some fuzzy details there. I think the 1.66 was being contemplated maybe in preproduction. On set during principal photography, the frame was composed for 1.85. And we can rely on our eyes here - in closeups, see the top of the heads of the actors, their tops are aligned to the 1.85 line. If they were aligned for 1.66, their foreheads would be cut off in the 1.85 version. And secondly for the shots I indicate that are re-used from the theatrical, notice the their top and bottom, they are 1.33 extractions from a 1.85 frame rather than a 1.66 frame. All this leads to believe that while he contemplated 1.66, on set the one implemented was 1.85.

[@SCOLT7]

@@AtheistNihilist Check out that interview, he was pretty clear on it that they framed it for 1.66 - I was as surprised as you are but he's pretty black and white about it. 1.85 for theatres and 1.66 for home releases was the intention when filming.

[@AtheistNihilist]

He has misremembered a lot of details throughout the entire process. So I would look for some objective confirmation for everything. We have the videos to look at themselves and make our deduction, as I highlighted above, studying the frames themselves, you can see they are framed for 1.85.

[@squidstone8399]

@@AtheistNihilist But that's what you THINK. You're passing them off as facts in the vid. He is the director,he knows wtf he is talking about.

[@jimlong3223]

I was so surprised how much I enjoyed the Snyder cut. Pleasantly surprised!

[@ethanhenrichs5677]

Batman in the Snyder cut gets up way easier than in the Josstice league. Shows how he's stronger than in Josstice league where he does the bleeding joke.

[@ethanhenrichs5677]

thanks for the heart!😀

[@AtheistNihilist]

Yeah the entire gauntlet bit is omitted from the theatrical cut.

[@ethanhenrichs5677]

@@AtheistNihilist Yep

[@brumtownmiller6130]

@@AtheistNihilist the heat vision is meant to be light so does that mean batman can react at light speed to block it twice?

[@brumtownmiller6130]

@I'm Not Suhas no! Come on now! He didn't predict superman would attack but he can predict were superman is gonna aim his heat vision in time to block it! Really! Its meant to be light speed!

[@ZiessRides]

I've tried to watch many of the comparison videos on youtube, but they are very hard to watch and difficult to follow. This one is by far the best I've seen. This is the proper way to do a comparison video. Very well done. Thanks for making this.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Glad it was useful.

[@LyricalXilence]

Yes a lot of the others you can't hear the dialogue because they overlap.

[@apolloumbra3312]

All the people complaining about the aspect ratio that gives you more to look at. Also, Snyder’s color choices are so spot on, I love it so much.

[@natoerlawyne772]

8:38 "Cavill still in superman shape for reshoots, a year after original filming. Of course he is henry cavill the Real Superman, no one will be better than Cavill as superman

[@AtheistNihilist]

👍👍👍👍

[@ItzMeWill]

3:26 .I finally figured out what looked so off to me in the Whedon cut..its the lighting. The light on Clark doesn't match his environment or background. It looks like he's not really there and this is a problem throughout the whole movie. The Snyder cut fixes that lighting so it matches the environment. So everything blends in and doesn't look detached

[@AtheistNihilist]

I see what you mean and I agree.

[@Mavakor]

This was a very thorough comparison of the two versions

[@nothingtoseehere3282]

Wow! What an amazing comparison! The best I’ve seen so far. Do more of these, please!

[@AtheistNihilist]

Thank you and I certainly will do some more.

[@secondghost]

The only scene I actually preferred from the theatrical cut is when Bruce tells Alfred "He's more human than I am." Shame the context of that scene doesn't work in the Snyder Cut.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Yep.

[@RichardApperition]

The one time KZbin suggested videos is so in frequency with me. I was gonna look up this video but KZbin recommend's got my back

[@WhaddupImTopher]

All the cyborg backstory was way cooler than the first one. Actually had huge part

[@lkvideos7181]

Tose oversaturated bright colors look so damn unreal.

[@AtheistNihilist]

The saturation is waay to high for the scene, agreed. The scene was meant to be damn/pre-dawn and not be so brightly lit.

[@willywonka1171]

0:08 whedon had a practical move on stumbling as Superman just got alive and was not fully conscious

[@leemavundla]

It kinda makes sense why superman stumbles because his fresh out the coffin not a lot of sunlight to absorb thts the only compliment joss is getting

[@AtheistNihilist]

👍

[@drocks619]

No, superman got resurrected by the power of motherbox, plus he absorbed sunlight for few seconds, so it makes sense that he doesn't stumble in the Snyder cut.

[@moshpit1012]

@@drocks619 a few seconds of sunlight makes him stronger than the justice league?

[@drocks619]

@@moshpit1012 no I meant few seconds of sunlight doesn't make him stumble when he lands like he did in the whedon cut. Well, maybe the actual reason might be that the motherbox had reinstated superman so actually he had got all his powers back.

[@TypicallyUniqueOfficial]

I absolutely love the 4:3 aspect. It's so underutilized, and it even helps with action sequences. Not having to worry about peripherals, I can better appreciate action sequences. Sometimes widescreen action sequences are just too much for me.

[@TheRandomGamerMoments]

If you feel it’s underutilized, watch any TV show from the 90’s

[@TypicallyUniqueOfficial]

@@TheRandomGamerMoments being an 80s baby, I loved that film aspect growing up.

[@AtheistNihilist]

It is a great ratio. Arthouse films use it all the time.

[@antoniomv9444]

I love how this person is delighted on Cavill´s physique "He´s my greek god, appreciate him"

[@imbatukhan2003]

It is kind of slightly funny for me to see Cyborg uses his extra hands punching Superman to no effect.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Superman is way too powerful for any of the league in a head-to-head. Even together they can't even touch him.

[@LoiKush420]

@@AtheistNihilist yeah in the comics when superman goes rogue like that there's usually another Kryptonian to fight him or they use Kryptonite

[@brumtownmiller6130]

@@LoiKush420 in the comics, wonder woman has kicked supermans ass a few times! The seriously nerfed Diana in this! She's even killed superman sometimes

[@rabbithole9373]

@@brumtownmiller6130 they had to nerf her. Otherwise the whole point of supes return would get messed up. And yeah I guess she beheaded supes in the comics. Not sure but she did chop him up for sure

[@brumtownmiller6130]

@@rabbithole9373 no just make steppenwolf stronger. Doomsday was way stronger than steppenwolf was so they had to nerf wonder woman and aquaman tbf. Superman fresh from resurrection bodied the whole justice league with ease and steppenwolf at full power couldn't even scratch Superman

[@jorjevanelle9879]

Why ppl complaining about aspect ratio? I prefer to see original shots,if u don't just zoom it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AtheistNihilist]

Yes, everyone has an option.

[@MrLaserPony]

i like it you can see the whole frame shot in the whole movie..almost like imax sorta

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@MrLaserPony There are some IMAX screenings planned, so if you are near one you will absolutely be able to see this in IMAX.

[@itsalwayssomething7490]

I didn't know I preferred this aspect ratio until I saw side by side comparisons. You can see so much more action and costumes. So much information is missing with wide screen. We've just gotten so used to watching it that way. I don't even notice the black bars on the side after a minute.

[@TheRandomGamerMoments]

@@itsalwayssomething7490 it’s not necessarily missing, but that’s just how framing works. Back in the old tube days, people complained about black bars for theatrical widescreen “hiding” the image. It’s funny that Snyder went back to the old 4:3 when everyone is watching on 16:9. Film buffs will argue a bunch over aspect ratios. There’s some that love the old square, some that love 1.85. It all depends on how you want to frame the shot.

[@techommar7468]

Firstly, hats off for you for this wonderful breakdown... Totally enjoyed it... But can you please make more.. like the entire 2 justice leagues...? I think it would be lovely as no other channel has explanations and breakdowns like you..!!!!

[@bronzy6151]

Awesome video. I can't imagine how much time and effort it took for you to do this. Thank you so much, and also for the technical commentary. Love it!

[@AtheistNihilist]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@adamdavidsoddities8573]

This comparison no doubt took a lot of time on your part. Thanks for your hard work. It was quite entertaining.

[@AtheistNihilist]

It did. Matching individual frames was no joke. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@wheeler6768]

Damn, I never noticed the reused shots from the theatrical version. Great catch

[@P.Whitestrake]

Ironically, Whedon cut made Superman feels more of evil than confused. Snyder cut is where it trully feels Superman is confused.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Superman is definitely more nasty towards Batman in theatrical.

[@tylercarter9965]

wait but in this scene alone he almost kills a bunch of marines and that policeman if cyborg didn’t save him, idk snyder’s superman feels a bit more evil than joss.

[@moshpit1012]

@Yusuf El Gaza because he was about to kill the justice league before

[@P.Whitestrake]

​​​@@moshpit1012 He was accidently attacked first by Cyborg's defence system. Then he fought WW & others (minus Batman). Then the soldiers came to attack him. Then Batman came & he saw Batman helped a soldier to get up, so he thought Batman was on their side. Then he attacked Batman. He didn't initiate any attacks. He retaliated & tried to defend himself because he was totally confused.

[@moshpit1012]

@@P.Whitestrake the first thing he did was fire his heat vision at the soldiers and Batman, bro straight up wanted them dead. Alt least in josstice league they cut out the soldier bit and made him just backhand Batman.

[@joseywales5743]

I’m so happy I’ve never watched the original theatrical version of Justice League just the Synder cut. Great movie.

[@AtheistNihilist]

👍

[@amurtiger7410]

You are lucky dude

[@sniperghost1017]

Same I nvr watched it that cuz I wasn't that into DC

[@ritis05]

Me too!

[@enricoturla5644]

It’s the same fucking movie. Snyder’s version only has a darker picture and takes itself tremendously seriously where there is little to take seriously

[@kdtechblunts569]

wow you earned one subscriber bro

[@Dracogame]

I don't particularly like Whedon, but honestly I feel like it's more about the studio asking him to do a shitty work rather than him wanting to make it like this.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Agreed

[@detomnz2024]

Now this makes me a little bad for wheddon

[@MHouston602]

No it’s him too. That stupid scene of Flash falling into WW’s boobs was basically him reusing that same sequence where Bruce banner fell into Natasha’s boobs.

[@DanY-gx2dv]

@@detomnz2024 You're weird for defending an abuser.

[@DanY-gx2dv]

Absolutely ridiculous. 90% of the drivel Whedon added was just reworded stuff Snyder had shot anyway. None of it was necessary, none of it enhanced the film. Not to mention all of the Gadot butt shots and boob faceplanting he added. He proved on Buffy he's a solid enough writer, you can tell he didn't give two craps about quality on Justice League. Not to mention all of his abuse on set. WB didn't tell him to do any of that even if they let it slide. Don't justify anything he did.

[@anjali-mu1hb]

Snyder's version reused many scenes but the vibe was totally different. Loved it

[@AtheistNihilist]

👍

[@anjali-mu1hb]

@Yusuf El Gaza yeah you are right.

[@seijicaito8860]

Cyborg body using a lasergun: Joss Whedon JL: "it's a malfunction" Zack Snyder JL: I saw the future…and believe me the only thing I know is that guy might be the one who will kill all of us

[@Ale-dd3ek]

Except he doesn't bother to tell what he saw That's one of the things I hate most both in Marvel and DC, a character has information that could be useful but he doesn't Say them for reason

[@trappedmind1779]

I feel like I want my money back from the Justice Leage dvd or get this real movie for free since I already bought the fake movie they released at first.

[@AtheistNihilist]

eBay my friend! :D

[@KryptonKr]

Why did you even buy that version in the first place???

[@trappedmind1779]

@@KryptonKr Evil dark magic was used against me.

[@horseoperamarker]

time travel

[@trappedmind1779]

@@horseoperamarker too expensive and it gives me the itch

[@douglaslim7186]

4:54 The pose of Barry is him preparing to phase what ever Superman is about to do. As when the unity synced he did the same thing to avoid the destruction.

[@AtheistNihilist]

I think it is a great touch.

[@FardeenRiyadh16]

I see someone watches TheCanadianLad aswell

[@4000extor]

In my opinion, the Snyder cut is much better but I think that Batman calling Lois Lane "the big gun" in the theatre's version says a lot about how Batman always has a plan, because if there is any person that can calm Superman is Lois PD: Such a fantastic work

[@shoutamagatsuchi3076]

And that really shows that in Zack Snyder's Justice League (SPOILER ALERT) In the epilogue, showing Knightmare (an apocalyptic world where Darkseid has the power of the Anti-Life), because Lois is killed, Superman was heart-brokened, controlled by Anti-Life and turned Evil. It also explains in BvS, we see Flash in the Speed Force warning Bruce about Superman and also informing him that "Lois is the key"

[@frederickuniversal7687]

Well I think everyone is more human in the Snyder cut, heis distressed seeing clark in that state saying "clark no" (opposite to the infamous "kal-el no") showing how much batman has changed since bvs, calling lois the big gun would go against that, if he's changed so much why is he referring to her as "the big gun"?

[@AB-wl5ny]

Can you make the calculation of how much snyder footage was in the full theatrical cut?

[@AtheistNihilist]

Hmm. Let me think about that. That would be a huge task.

[@Annie-ph8vq]

@@AtheistNihilist I did it and turns out 48 minutes are Snyder footage.

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@I-speak-U-shut-it It is definitely going to take a LOONG time. I am sure someone else will get there first. :D

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@Annie-ph8vq That's interesting. I would have thought it would come out to be more. I will do my own analysis and see if our numbers match up.

[@cissyiniguez]

There was another channel I watched earlier this week (I'd have to go thru my history to find it) who broke it down this way but i haven't had time to check myself. His #'s were… 24 scenes new - Snyder 22 scenes re-edited 16 scenes reshot 7 scenes new - Whedon

[@vineetraja5364]

Best comparison video , please do more of josstice league Vs Snyder cut.

[@AtheistNihilist]

Thanks so much. I plan to!

[@fernandoxavierrovelo7844]

I just love how Zack uses color grading, contraste, light, shadow, all of it. Plus Many other things of course.

[@Kaweebo]

I love how like 10% of this video is just Cavill appreciation lol

[@AtheistNihilist]

D

[@Jim-fi4dc]

Snyder’s cut gave Superman strong Homelander vibes. I love it.

[@CoenWilson1]

The "Should we bow?" Flash quip was actually funny in my opinion.

[@olharebelde]

I like the reshoot change for Batman. He had a plan in the Wheldoncut

[@AtheistNihilist]

His life was saved by Lois. In theatrical he had foresight to bring her there, in Snyder cut she happened to be nearby.

[@trappedmind1779]

@@AtheistNihilist no she didn’t Batman still got her there. But he would not bring her in danger for no reason. No one new for sure what Superman would be like when he was brought back. I liked that we see if Superman wanted he could kill everyone with ease. But normally he holds back.

[@AtheistNihilist]

@@trappedmind1779 In the Snyder cut, she's already nearby and comes on her own. Batman doesn't get her there.

[@voicingdragoon7]

Love how most of Snyders scenes are just longer, greyer and pushed in so it leaves hald of the screen empty, really elevated the movie to a 10. And Batman just being slow instead of having a backup plan should Superman not be himself is also perfect. And man, seeing Superman almost execute Flash and blatantly murdering several marines but have nothing come from that is just amazing, 100/10, masterpiece No sarcasm this time, gotta love how this one sequence pretty much justify everything Batman did in the previous movie. Superman killed several soldiers, tried killing even more, tried executing Flash and Batman. He's absolutely the monster Victor and Bruce think he is

[@Nick-4K]

Wow the color of Whedons cut is just so weird. You can tell he just changed the color of these scenes from what Zack already had instead of coloring them from their original colors.

[@spurslegacy]

I really personally dislike the greyer and more desaturated look of the Snyder cut, but I think it’s much better than the theatrical version in more other ways. That said. The Batman suit with the coloring of the Snyder Cut makes it my favorite of any live action, it’s so sick.

[@samuelc.491]

why on earth is "if you seek his monument look around you" cut out of Whedon's cut, but we have an EXTRA wide shot in its place

[@AtheistNihilist]

Strange choice. In the earlier shot, you can see it on the ground.

[@MrTREEHUNTER22]

Wow I never noticed that change in Cyborgs dialogue. Funny how that scene makes way more sense now

[@CYGNIUS]

*A problem I have with the general scene is that when superman "grabs" wonder woman, his hand isn't even grabbing her or any part of her clothing at all, and she is just holding herself up on his fist, which makes no sense, because she is acting like she's struggling for no reason then.*

[@AtheistNihilist]

He grabs her by the strap of the sword.

[@ssa3101]

Where?

[@ramilachaudhari1587]

@@ssa3101 At 3:40

[@ssa3101]

Nah holds her by her armor or as the channel owner suggests by the strap of her sword