Off The Record: The Careful Boys Wanna Know How to Speak

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[@zubabee]

The issue I have with Julia and the cast is that this person was taken advantage of, if the woman was up front and said I was trans, then the guy would have said no, but she didn’t say anything because she knew how he would feel, meaning she lied and took advantage of him - we can all have preferences, so that community can love who they want but we can’t? She should be truthful from the beginning so that if he says it doesn’t matter she found someone who truly likes her - And now there is this thing of trans men and women saying “I’m a woman or I’m a man, I’m not trans” - YES YOU ARE TRANS -

[@edwardoesparza1807]

I think Julia is a bit more bias bc her sister is trans

[@treefiddyfy]

@@edwardoesparza1807 😂😂😂 no wonder

[@Pinkkuromii]

@Zubabee I absolutely agree

[@carolinaestigarribia7052]

But you also have to remember what Nick and Joe said. Its extremely dangerous for trans women to disclose to strangers that they are trans because they can get seriously hurt. As a person who is going out and hooking up, you have to take into account that you dont know people and they may be or do things they dont agree with. Trans women dont have to disclose theyre trans. If youre against hooking up with someone trans thats on you, not on the trans person

[@zubabee]

@@carolinaestigarribia7052 but I think it’s more dangerous for a trans women to risk having sex and finding out mid sex, it’s not that hard - they should disclose it even before they meet for the date if they’re smart

[@kahliltilbury4937]

It's not transphobic and he was deceived, it's simple. Just a fact. Consent is more important than someones perception of transphobia.

[@GazBC4U]

Simple....they live in an illusion

[@kevinjiang2831]

Facts.

[@KingLouOG]

It’s fucked up man… why tell the dude at all honestly. Now dude has to live with it.

[@Goddess_Infinity]

As a 31 year old women if I found out the man I just hookup with was married I’m gonna puke and feel disgusting. If I found out that a man lied about he’s age and said he was 29 but really 17 I’ll puke . If I found out that he use to be a woman I’m still gonna puke. If I fell in love with a man and later found out he had some incurable STDs I’m going to puke. Get it ?? You are taking away MY CHOICE MY DECISION on who I want to share MY BODY with .

[@ardnasn.7994]

This!

[@bradcha5413]

preach

[@GazBC4U]

🙏

[@frey439]

Agree

[@ExaltedChocolate]

In a world that speaks so much of acceptance and validity of emotions, stripping a person of their right to fully-consent and taking advantage of them is wrong regardless of how a person might feel or identify.

[@kjh906]

Personally as a trans women myself, I would never have sex with a men and they don’t know. However, there have been a few times I assumed the guys knew so I didn’t tell them but after talking more I found out they didn’t know. It’s very dangerous for us to be in that situation, so this is why it’s always important to disclose you’re transgender. We will never be female even if we get SRS (sexual reassignment surgery). So a straight male is entitled to know our truth before sex. It’s very difficult and scary to tell a guy we are trans because we never know what reaction we will get, so I understand. Disclosure is a must if moving forward you plan on having sex or building a relationship with them. Also to be honest usually guys don’t care when they find out. 🤷🏽‍♀️ It’s always great to hear all the different views everyone has on the show. You all are the best!

[@joelzea8369]

Thx a lot for sharing your opinion especially as a trans women you are very brave for that

[@atienzo98]

what's your opinion on people that want to change their sex on their birth certificate or ID? Would you do that if given the option ?

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

True and I'm sure it would be more beneficial for trans women like you to have a dude that's cool with it. You actually find a man that's willing to go the distance with you. I mean across the board I wouldn't want someone who's disgusted with me to be in my circle. Life's too damn short for that BS.

[@kjh906]

@@atienzo98 its great. Especially for travel and security reasons. If I were to travel to Dubai or some African countries and it says male on my identification and I’m a trans women. It could be very dangerous and I could even get arrested. So being able to change my gender marker on identification is a life saver.

[@yuichi9281]

That was exactly my first thought. I'm not trans, so I don't know how u feel, but I do know people can react in all kind of ways, if they hear something they don't like. So if it's just a hookup, I can understand that u may not say ur trans, because ur fearing a possible violent reaction. I'm sure there are enough people, that had that happen to them. Also for dating: even born women may not want or be able to have kids, that's for them to talk out... later.

[@barrymccaulkiner7092]

Disclosure is key. If the person was upfront then the partner still has the option to back out.

[@ASAP-Pocky]

It's not transphobic to not be okay that later you found out that you slept with a trans woman. It's crazy to think that we're having this conversation still. She took advantage of him because she knew that if she told him she was trans, he wouldn't want to go forward with the one night stand. Nothing wrong with that, it's his choice. I don't know why Julia, Joe, and the others don't see that.

[@ASAP-Pocky]

I side with Jesus with this one.

[@SpektrikMusic]

The argument is if she identifies as a female why should she disclose? Imo if you're not gonna tell me before don't tell me after especially if it's just a hookup.

[@joelzea8369]

@@SpektrikMusic she can identify as a female and she is a female but a trans female so she should bring that up before doing anything intimate with someone because most guys aren’t into that

[@atienzo98]

@@joelzea8369 here's my perspective. she's a "transwoman" that means male that identifies as a woman. a transwoman isn't a female, sure she's a woman, but the fact that she's a 'trans'woman represents that while all females can be women, not all women can be female. Sex and gender are different. This used to be how trans people justified themselves but now they want to change the M on their birth certificate to F. That's just ridiculous.

[@joek7031]

@@SpektrikMusic just because you identify as a women doesn't mean I identify you as a women.

[@edwardoesparza1807]

I think she should of told him. Trans people are trying to get everybody to treat them respect and accept them in this society which is perfectly fine but if you want everyone to do that for you then you should have the responsibility to let people know if you are biologically a man or female when it comes to sex and relationships

[@askme1429]

He was used… and lied to. You can’t just do that shit to people and then play the transfobic card… that’s like giving someone who doesn’t do drugs a gummy candy, them getting blasted and then you being like “you didn’t ask what kind of gummy it was*shrugs*”… like you knew this person doesn’t partake in that activity but you chose not to disclose that important information. It’s fucked up. There’s no excuse for that. She overstepped his boundaries and he deserves to be upset. Period.

[@GazBC4U]

💯

[@bianomokee]

Are they seriously trying to take the trans woman’s side?? They are 1000% in the wrong for not disclosing then later on calling the guy homophobic. It’s starting to get ridiculous

[@harrymaninc]

especially Julia. but what do you expect from a person with blue hair

[@user-iu8ho4gf4m]

@@harrymaninc lmfao

[@IIMyLittlePonyII]

100%

[@seansoku67]

It can be considered rape

[@ernieberd]

@@seansoku67kissing without consent is rape

[@p90p90]

Jason and Jesus together as guests. We gotta make it happen.

[@nattharika100]

What happened to consent? -permission for something to happen or agreement to do something. It isn't a full agreement if not all the truths are out on the table.. just because YOU have a personal belief does not mean it is factual just like religion this should not be expected.

[@deaner6421]

lol they all keep saying " he didnt know". Thats the definition of "taking advantage of".

[@zubabee]

This is like a 16 year old girl tells a guy she’s 18 then they have sex, does that make him an pedo ? No. But did she lie to him and make him question his own autonomy ? Yes. This is the same thing, did him sleeping with her make him gay? No. But did she take his right to choose out of the picture? Absolutely.

[@GazBC4U]

Simple.

[@naomieadair5635]

I think you meant did him sleeping with her make him GAY since she was born a man, but i get what you mean.

[@kingswordisbodoubleS]

Its crazy these women think this isnt sexual abuse lol

[@zubabee]

@@naomieadair5635 yea that’s what I meant lol

[@zeryang85ify]

You guys are missing the point here. Because you guys dont want to get cancel. She didn't tell, period. No respect

[@zeryang85ify]

So its ok to that lesbian dont want to date a man but a person dont want date a trans is transphobic? This is stupid. WTF it dont make you transphobic. Its just preferences duh

[@atienzo98]

@@zeryang85ify preach!!

[@JustKiddingNews]

So.. we had an assortment of opinions including the one you just said, no need to lump it all into one. If we were afraid of being cancelled this wouldn’t even be uploaded. We want more insight, and more opinions in the comments.

[@GazBC4U]

@Zer Zer 🙏

[@celebibi4360]

@@JustKiddingNews I'm sorry but it was very clear that at least some of you were tripping over your words to keep it PC. Can't believe majority of yall are tolerating r*pe by deception

[@harrymaninc]

nah yea the trans person is in the wrong. thats like something you gotta tell the other person before doing anything sexual. totally messed up

[@gadget_hack]

They went to a club for a hookup.

[@waaasaaap9791]

@@gadget_hack That's what clubs are for basically. I guess a better example is, let's exclude the fact that she wasn't trans and had herpes. Would it be right for the woman to tell the guy after they had hooked up that she spread diseases on to him?

[@jaxfor3]

@@waaasaaap9791 But being trans isn't a disease. Him sleeping with her doesn't make him trans.

[@gadget_hack]

@Waaas Aaap so you're equating being trans to std? I'm pretty sure he left out a bit of information about his friend. Did his friend contact her and wanted to hookup again? She then said ok this guy is getting kinda clingy, I'm going to tell him. Just out of the blue telling him hey I'm trans is very dangerous. No one would risk that especially with her info out there. So he is very much defending his friend in not telling the whole story on how that came up. I had a nieghbor who slept with a trans girl and was mind fucked about it. So I told him. 1, it was a 1 time thing. 2, she can't get pregnant. 3, she was most likely cleaner than any of the girls he's hung out with. Here's where the problem is. Other guys like you that treat guys like this bad. You clown them, telling them they're now gay and like dick, even though these 2 ladies didn't have one. Yall are some massive haters of men. By men's logic, straight porn should be gay. There is a dick there. It ain't your dick but you're ok jerking off to it. For fucks sake just stop caring about who your buddy is fucking. If it isn't personally or financially affecting you. Who gives a fuck. Also fuck your whataboutism.

[@waaasaaap9791]

@@jaxfor3 You're absolutely correct. Being trans isnt a disease, but being told before hand is another thing. I can see your side and see the other perspective. And yes, him sleeping with her doesn't make him trans, but it's the idea and philosophy of how he always perceived he would be hooking up with cis women. The topic itself is touchy topic

[@32Mrtone]

If you're in the market for a car with nice leather seats then and the salesperson shows you a car with nice quality leather feeling seats and you buy it, is it ok for the salesperson to tell you after the sale that it isn't actual leather, but it's still really high quality material?

[@KungFuJWB]

In a Hook-up situation-ship or a genuine Relationship: If you knowingly go in a situation of consensual sex with DECEIT, before, during, and after the fact,.... then you are in the wrong. Period. Everyone has the right to first refusal, when given the full truth beforehand. Just be honest from the beginning... It is utmost Respect and Truth at stake....

[@peachsova]

It's definitely not transphobic if he were not told beforehand. I agree that it's messed up that he was not given the choice and disclosure. If he was told the truth, they'd both be able to recognize that either 1) it wasn't meant to be (no need to waste more time dating someone that isn't interested) or 2) have the opportunity to build that relationship if they're cool with it.

[@joeinthanou7961]

I feel like its on the lines of getting catfished or scammed.

[@Goddess_Infinity]

Exactly!!!

[@silvergt4254]

YOU NEED TO DISCLOUSE!!!!!!! NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!!

[@Barely___Editing]

Bro got graped! Wtf is wrong with people

[@Thegangsta00711]

I once had a trans woman co-worker hit on me and she immediately let me know that she was trans and I appreciated it a lot because I couldn’t tell. That’s the way it should be!

[@JoeZombee]

I love Just Kidding News for episodes like this! Every once and a while there will some deep complex topics like this and and you can see people's true thoughts in an entertaining fashion. Thank you!

[@Antonjlavey]

No I just believe that love them were holding back because of the cancel culture

[@atienzo98]

cancel culture doesn't allow for true thoughts. No dude in that room would date a transwoman and we all know it(except maybe Joe, he's a very unique person), but they can't say it in fear of getting canceled.

[@treefiddyfy]

They were all lying except for maybe that blue hair chick because.. look at her

[@JACpotatos]

It's not really a complex issue. The trans person was deceitful and lied to the guy. There's a good chance the guy could charge them with rape. Women have successfully charged men with rape for just lying about their jobs/finances.

[@yaz2735]

I can’t believe the cast doesn’t realize that disclosure is key here. If he had known he wouldn’t have slept with her and that’s okay. We can’t disregard his feelings as well. I think Jesus didn’t explain his friends feelings correctly. He felt violated. If I was a man and this happened to me I think I would be just as upset.

[@extra4542]

Dude I would legit be traumatized if I slept with a man that transitioned to a woman. I’m 100% for trans rights but EVERYONE also should have the right to choose what they’re consenting to. To not disclose to him is FUCKED UP. Such an experience would fuck me up in my head for the rest of my entire life. I don’t give a fuck if emotions are involved are not, that’s MY BOUNDARY. Since when did not wanting to be in a relationship with someone take away from who someone choosing who they are ok with having sex with?Horrible take from here esp Joe and Julia. Trans people are not biologically what their new gender is, that’s a fact. It’s not transphobic to not be into or want to have sex with trans people whatsoever. People have their own preference and that shit should be respected. The fact that his friend is getting fucked up over it mentally matters, the trans woman shouldn’t just get to have it her way. At the end of the day he didnt consent to this!! It’s so simple. It’s the trans person’s right to not disclose but it’s not the straight person’s right to choose?? Get the fuck outta here. Even if someone was a bigoted actually transphobic person it should still be their right to choose

[@jesserosales261]

She definitely took advantage of that dude. She knew he wouldn't be okay with it and still went for it

[@manuellimas814]

The guy is not trans phobic he got lied to

[@manuellimas814]

So he in the right because he got lied to. Trans or not you should always let the people know ahead of time

[@luisz3354]

I think calling it transphobic it’s where it’s fucked up. Cause I feel like it’s not and that’s where I have an issue. If he was just hooking up and he came fuck it it happened cause in his eyes at the time it was a woman. But being rejected and then pulling the transphobic card it’s kinda like nah what!?

[@victoriaskyful]

Appreciate these kinds of conversations that other people are too scared to have!!

[@JustKiddingNews]

Thank you for being here!

[@fabiochavez8702]

Wtf!? Nah y’all trippin on this one. Of course it’s fucked up if a trans person doesn’t disclose that. Y’all being a little too careful now

[@TheBoxingNinja]

How would a vegan feel if I feed them tofu and told them after they ate it it was pig fat in there too?

[@TheBoxingNinja]

It's still tofu, but there was animal products used in that food, and they ate animal fat.

[@yangg]

nah man, L take, it should be illegal to not tell someone

[@lil_rata6994]

all imma say is oof

[@mzkarma6751]

i agree with u isn’t it like not telling someone u have a disease?

[@mellissastager413]

Yea, that can really fuck with a man's head, it's not right

[@yangg]

@@mellissastager413 it can be straight up trauma, if I was his friend I would sue 1000% lmao idk why Julia was so pressed to be edgy this episode..

[@harrymaninc]

i feel like joe, nick and anthony agreed that its wrong but they dont wanna get canceled so they were being carefulboyz.

[@mzkarma6751]

nah i think she should have told him before they hooked up

[@SoySaucePapi_]

You should always disclose your situation. Even if it’s “just” a hook up they should disclose it. Take Thailand and their ladyboys for example. They’re upfront about it and they’re killing the game.

[@JohnRiv92]

Each person should have a right to choose, Yea great you transitioned but don't expect everyone in society to fully adapt to that mindset. My preference for a partner does not mean I'm transphobic. If I'm not saying anything negative or harassing an individual, why should I be called transphobic. My body my choice. L take for Julia. This take that everyone is expected to think the same is unrealistic. People should be free to choose on who they want to partner up with. Actually the act of not telling is lowkey an entrapment and borderline RAPE. If a guy decides to take off a condom mid sex without the concent of the female that is rape. If a Trans have sex with a man without full disclosure and consent, that is RAPE.

[@JohnRiv92]

There was a court case where a girl thought she's been having sex with a man and it turns out to be a girl who has been penetrating her with a dildo. Guess what you call that, RAPE!! Yea someone went to jail for rape. Someone's convenience should never be someone else's inconvenience.

[@gadget_hack]

You're puffing your chest over nothing. Julie's take on this topic is correct. No one cares about your preferences and yes you are transphobic because of it. Me stating a fact shouldn't bother you. You are getting worked up about a whole .5% of the adult US population of trans people. Even less of a % for under 30. Even less than that are trans women. Buddy they wouldn't touch you, you sound like an asshole.

[@gadget_hack]

@John Aldrin I remember that case. So why don't you say the whole thing and not just parts that makes your argument look good

[@JohnRiv92]

@@gadget_hack You got so hot and bothered with my comment, like my guy, you support RAPE that much? I'm kinda worried to know what your search history look like. God forbid you support Jared Fogle as well. @FBI please check this person.

[@NinaInthaWorld]

Not even gonna try to reason with you. You're wild bro. Re-read what you wrote and let me know when you come back to down to earth 😂😂😂

[@MarcelHoskins]

That's a man!! Doesn't matter how you feel. That's really messed up not to tell the guy. You should give people the CHOICE to deal with you

[@gadget_hack]

You're gay if you watch porn then.

[@ithaka9564]

@@gadget_hack gonna label people? Slow down

[@gadget_hack]

@Ithaka yeah I am since he could do it

[@ithaka9564]

@@gadget_hack why are you following his code of conduct? Be yourself

[@ithaka9564]

Just kidding lol

[@kahliltilbury4937]

Julia was hella hard to listen to this episode. Shes right, only under the pretense of knowing beforehand she's trans.

[@bethnichols2875]

Others in the comments have mentioned that Julia has a trans sibling, that would be the reason behind her stance on this topic. And true, to throw out the term transphobic in this situation isn't right, because the guy wasn't given a choice beforehand. It is like being cat fished. Just because you can take advantage of someone's lack of knowledge, doesn't mean you should.

[@peterlongac]

He's upset he got bamboozled. It's just a hook up it's like how women hook up with guys one night but neither pursue anything further. And hes living his walk of shame

[@iDealMedley]

sounds like bunch of gaslighting

[@dynastyman36]

Julia is wrong but it makes sense that she’s defending the trans cause she has a trans sibling

[@Anonymous-kz7yv]

Lol thought her subling was gay, parts of an agenda from illuminati in a different country to make American 1st Californians gay and crazy, Atrazine Syngenta

[@anthonytony4139]

Seems like julia is just pointing out that perhaps if the guy reacted horribly if he knew before it would hurt said transgender persons feelings which i get but than what about the feelings of the guy after the fact and him finding out. Some people cant deal with that type of information everybody has a different mind set and beliefs and morals so they should be respected, if you dont feel comfortable telling said person than you probably shouldnt sleep with said person if they give you judgmental vibes or you feel they won't accept you for you dont put yourself and them in awkward situations. But we all human we sometimes dont think that far ahead and no one is perfect. Great points on both sides this was very educational 🙏💯

[@sagathekawaiikilla]

I feel like he was tricked …. If u not biologically something n u didn’t disclosed that to give me the option- thats F UP~his friend has a right to b mad . Hook up or not~ morally it just seems manipulative like having ur cake and eating it to, because yes ur satisfied but he’s in a limbo that can have many different out comes depending on how he takes it. Sadly ppl have lost their lives that way… N not being mean or rude but yes u can identify as something 100% but it’s not fair to someone else especially if they don’t share the same view as u. F UP @ that point is it even consensual But keep ur head up boss if u don’t like that don’t disclose that to ppl about what happened/ take ur L it is what it is now.

[@smollasian]

Very interesting topic you guys brought up. Honestly made me think a lot too. You guys made a good points in peoples different perspectives! Loved the different answers! Keep up good work~

[@girlwhowentbazzinga]

I think disclosure is important. It can be scary of you're trans though and even dangerous being with someone who doesn't know. Things can go bad. but yeah i think the guy is owed honesty IG. Its not transphobic to not want to be with a trans person though. Some people are really not into it and it's not fair to them irrespective of whether it's rooted in bias .

[@ConnieAntoinette]

The concept of self-identity and autonomy is one of the most valued aspects of human existence, and when someone makes life-defining decisions on our behalf, it may lead us to feel that our agency has been violated. He may be experiencing cognitive dissonance, which I believe is causing him to feel angry.

[@jasin95]

I agree. I couldn’t write what you said without sounding like it was the feeling of violation because of transphobia instead of it being because of those concepts

[@Antonjlavey]

This is why there's a high rate of murders in the trans community because of things like that

[@Biggumshawty]

That’s like me wanting to sue all my exs for being a POS. Yes I didn’t know in the beginning but there were probably signs, everyone’s going to blame me anyways and also not give a shit. Move on to the next. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@Antonjlavey]

@@Biggumshawty You had a choose to be with them. In Christianity doing unholy things are frown upon. It's just like me making a meal for a Muslim and they eat it and at the end I would be laughing because I said is it good because it has pork in it. That Muslim would be highly upset and crying because in the Muslim religion eating swine will not get you into their heaven

[@NinaInthaWorld]

@@Antonjlavey If its against your religion, thats on you to check not the other person. She's not trying to deceive him. She has always felt like a woman. That's what I want to say, but I can understand your side. This is new for a lot of people but we're just gonna need to get used to it.

[@kingswordisbodoubleS]

“Guys i don’t wanna talk about this anymore “ lmao

[@susanpow69]

I’m asking “for a friend” 😂Lol

[@daniellethornton]

no to all Julia. Its his choice and trans took his choice away. Its not being transphobic for wanting to have a choice of who he shares an intimate time with.

[@MrFat1337]

idk if im gonna get canceled for this but i believe you have the right to identify whatever you want but i also have the right to have my own definition of whats a male or female.

[@r.m2192]

Factually you cannot change your gender based on feelings or surgery. It’s genetic among other things. It’s crazy that people are getting cancelled and ostracized for daring to disagree with modern day “progressive” ideology.

[@JACpotatos]

It's called "rape by deception." The trans person raped the guy

[@1bullshittt39]

Love this kind of discussions(topics People usually are afraid to touch)🤣🤣🤣hilarious and very educative

[@Helljumper7200]

I get both sides, but I think it’s an issue of consent. The man consented to have sex with a naturally born women. But trans women now are women. But some men, don’t agree. I hope it’s not ignorant, it’s just the way it’s viewed. It’s the definition like Joe said. Personally, I feel like she should have mentioned it. But I also get the violence part. It’s Hard, man.

[@richlizard]

This is even an issue in the gay community. If a trans person wants to have relations with a same sex partner it's common knowledge to have to disclose that info w/ their partners before hooking up. I don't see why it would be any different if you were straight...?

[@draganbosnjakovic7173]

I agree with Jesus at least give him an option to say yes or no.

[@ridhwankazi9503]

the fact that there so much confusion kinda answers the question of how insane this is lmao

[@imnothereforthefood7832]

Idk why it would be any different than the person you slept with lying about anything personal It's just wrong regardless of your take on trans issues

[@joelzea8369]

Julia’s argument about if the trans person confesses they are a women and u reject her your telling them they are not a women is just flat out wrong your not telling them they aren’t a women your just telling them u don’t want to have sex because your not comfortable with having sex with a trans person

[@Goddess_Infinity]

Exactly!!! This topic makes me to angry

[@frey439]

She didnt even understand the topic leads tho, kinda bias tbh

[@3nduser]

I don’t think he is trans phobic if he has his own preferences. Biologically his hormones did what they did cuz his mind thought what it thought. Just cuz you don’t wanna have sex with a trans per doesn’t mean you are transphobic. If I’m friends and work with and respect trans people does that mean I also HAVE TO have sex with them? No.

[@josea.martinez2234]

Nah man this a big L from Jk. They are just trying to not get canceled by not trying to sound transphobic. That trans person is in the wrong for not disclosing the fact that she use to be a male. It doesn’t matter what she is now you can’t do that to people. Before things get serious you have to tell the person that you are trans and let that person decide whether or not they still want to do anything with you. That’s low key taking advantage of someone because your taking advantage of them but not telling them the complete truth of who you are. It’s just wrong no way around it. And if it was the other way around let’s say a woman that transition to the man and hooked up with a female and didn’t tell her that’s still wrong. You can’t use people and then pull the transphobic card when someone gets upset with you for being a liar and deceptive.

[@bethnichols2875]

It's probably not so much that they are concerned about getting cancelled. And more so because Julia is their friend and she has a trans sibling.

[@josea.martinez2234]

@@bethnichols2875 and if Julias family member does the same thing and doesn’t disclose that she or he is a trans then they are also a liar and deceptive. Just because her family is a trans doesn’t give her a free pass to justify the situation of someone else because of her family member. The situation is still wrong.

[@bethnichols2875]

@@josea.martinez2234 I agree with you. It is equivalent to being cat fished. Which is morally and ethically wrong. It is taking advantage of someone's lack of knowledge and using it against them by not being upfront and truthful from the very beginning thereby taking away their ability to make an informed decision.

[@josea.martinez2234]

@@bethnichols2875 I agree

[@mangotar0]

I love Jesus 😂😂😂

[@austinrodriguez2481]

It was a hookup that's the dice you roll bro lol

[@BikeShorts69]

Bro it's obvious it's the trans person fault, period.

[@kiarademoner]

Consent! Simple as that. Everyone is entitled to know who they are sleeping with. How you “feel” is not what you are. I can feel like a cat but that doesn’t make me a cat.

[@JordanReedYT]

There has also been a rise of people taking anti-HIV-AIDS medication and not disclosing their status to sexual partners, because the risk of contraction is “lowered”.

[@ttnbear1142]

This cast dynamic is hilarious!! Jesus, Julia, and the usual Careful gang.

[@mikyasm8486]

It reminds me of old jk. Where they had disagreements and would go argue in a joking manner. But damn hoolia was tripping. If dude tricks me with his beyond pucci me and bro gotta run hands 🙌

[@Yomommafoo22]

There's no careful gang 😂 we need bart here

[@sonbui8770]

No more Julia pls

[@MariaHerrera-vc1sj]

I agree with Jesus. She should’ve being up front way before getting intimate. And him feeling upset, uncomfortable or angry does not make him transphobic.

[@Ecosteven]

I think it’s crappy thing to insinuate that trans females are only ok for hooking up. Like the sentiment of don’t mention it if we are just hooking up but do mention it if we are dating has got to make the trans female feel crappy. That being said I think it’s it own category and think it is something to be upfront about or at least be more selective in who you tell. Anthony’s right on why did she say anything if it was more than just a one night fling? Maybe she told him and was being up front once he came to her trying to get some more. In which case, hey brother, the heart wants what it wants. 😂

[@atienzo98]

you mean transwoman. No such thing as a trans female. Gender is a social construct so you can identify as what you want. Sex is genetic, that can't change no matter how many hormones or surgeries they undergo.

[@Goddess_Infinity]

Hook up meaning sex , stop it Steve Green

[@Cheongsiusin]

If it was a lesbian and she hooked up with a girl and found out that it was a man people would go crazy. I do think if you have transitioned you should be upfront with the other party for consent. Just seems polite

[@mellisascandyclub]

2:43 had me cracking up lmao! Anthony looks so happy 😊

[@Vincisomething]

You don't have to be attracted to trans people, what she did just sounds like she was trying to guilt him. That's almost like saying if you reject me for whatever reason you're racist. She didn't have to disclose it, but that should've meant she shouldn't have came onto him. It's not transphobic, he wasn't informed to make the decision. The entire point is that she was deliberately deceptive and then tried to turn it on him. It doesn't matter if he thought she was a cis woman the entire time, at the end it was deception. It doesn't matter if you came and for some people that just makes it worse, not better Joe lol. She was taking advantage of him, point blank.

[@preetandrealubana6125]

Is this a moment where Jesus says "this is a story about a friend" when its really about him 🤨

[@bethnichols2875]

No, it's not. Jesus said on another episode that he has a girlfriend that he has been with for about 3 yrs now.

[@Max25670]

The impression of the black cell phone salesman was SPOT ON tho lmao

[@naomieadair5635]

Having a preference for who you want to exchange bodily fluids with, is NOT transphobic.

[@Yomommafoo22]

We needed Steve or Bart here

[@user-vz8ro6df9k]

I somehow feel that they’d (and for they I mean the guys) have a different opinion if the cameras weren’t running. We have to admit that everyone somehow feels the need to say “the appropriate things” and not be cancelled by the internet these days. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@atienzo98]

yup, none of them would date a transwoman or sleep with her if they knew beforehand but freedom of speech is dead in our cancel culture society.

[@bethnichols2875]

Yeah, it seemed like they were restraining themselves in their opinions. Perhaps not so much because they were worried about being cancelled, yet more so because Julia is their friend and she has a trans sibling.

[@frey439]

Yeah they afraid to get canceled lmao, they're not honest to themself.

[@chriswave1992]

Very interesting conversation.

[@ourhappyplace791]

Love this conversation

[@nhatreally]

Why do I feel like the 'friend' is Jesus. haha

[@bethnichols2875]

It's not Jesus since in another episode Jesus said the he has a girlfriend that he has been with for about 3 yrs now.

[@nhatreally]

@@bethnichols2875 he also has said he smashed an ex and after she fell asleep, he smashed her roommate afterwards. I wouldn't say he has an A+ moral compass.

[@bethnichols2875]

@@nhatreally That was then and this is now. And considering Jesus confessed to that about the ex and her friend from years ago(people grow and change btw), and about his liking onlyfans; what makes you honestly think he wouldn't confess to this as well if it had actually been him. It's not about him, this story is about his friend, as he said.

[@nhatreally]

@@bethnichols2875 I really dont think he would confess to that lmao. with today's wokeness, and Julia sitting in the room, ain't no one wants to get cancelled.

[@atienzo98]

Here's the thing, in my mind, here's the spectrum biological man---trans---biological woman. It shouldn't be transphobic to say I only like biological women. Transpeople need to come to terms that they need to call themselves transwoman/man. If you identify as a woman then you're a transwoman, but I'm not going to play into the fantasy that surgery and hormone therapy turns a transwoman into a biological woman. We live in a time right now where "woke" people would demonize me for saying I want to have children with a woman. I clearly can't have children with a transwoman. Would I be willing to adopt if I later found out my sperm or her eggs weren't capable of producing children, YES, but that's a bridge I'll cross when I come to it. Trans people can identify as what they want, but they will never biologically be whatever they identify as. I'm not saying it to criticize and shame them. If someone has two prostetic legs and walks perfectly fine, I should be able to decide if I want to date them based off of that. That doesn't make me prostetiphobic. Women date and marry men because they have money and can provide for them and children they may have in the future, does that make them poveryphobic ?? NO, preferences are preferences. The trans movement has gone too far, it's not about equality anymore.

[@notorioussloth]

Y’all are trippin. That girl is 100% in the wrong

[@1incher...]

L Take 🤡

[@jordandelarmente5822]

This was the hot seat

[@계란z]

i really disagree with Julia. she completely overlooked the idea OF CONSENT and ANATOMY. i’m glad at least the others understood that

[@rickycontreras7422]

On rewatch I feel like this story is to personal to be a friend

[@SozioTheRogue]

Brooooo you don't even know how good some of these Tran boy girl things are lmao. It literally the best thing in the world

[@shairaabshire]

In my opinion the trans should take responsibility in letting the person know regardless if its a hook or relationship. The rest of world should not need to walk on egg shells.

[@nicoleb-r3033]

It might be a good idea to be like: "yes, I am a woman but I happen to have male genitalia. Or I used to have male genitalia. I am trans." It's also safer to establish this before taking someone to bed. This woman took a huge risk by not establishing this fact. She also failed to get the guy's consent before taking him to bed. He thought he was taking a cis gendered woman to bed. I would be upset if someone I took to bed failed to tell me and only told me after the fact. Tell me before and we'll be cool.

[@4RM4NDO]

Bring back Jesus! double entendre lol

[@romeooo3739]

NOT JULIA SAYING THEY TRANSPHOBIC 😂

[@B1GJOHNSTUD]

damn..i would be messed up for a long time if i found out the way his friend did..this episode actually gave me a stomach ache! imagine banging a chik who has full blown aids & she didn't tell you till later! that's pretty much the same thing..

[@selatolu7303]

Just let the man know so he can chose. When did it become transphobic when the man now is feeling violated or feels like he’s questioning his sexuality. That’s his right to feel all that because he was Deceived and was Tricked. And seriously when did the man lose all his rights to feel any type of way. Let the man know period.

[@wwetitantronman]

Its not transphobic to not be attracted to trans people, aslong as you're respectful and treat them the same as anyone else then whats the problem

[@marsupeach]

some ppl might just say that they’re attracted to cisgender women? I saw this definition on google 😅 Cisgender is a term that is used to describe people whose gender identity matches the sex they were assigned at birth. For example, someone who was assigned female at birth (AFAB) and identifies as a woman is a cisgender woman. On the other hand, an AFAB person who identifies as a man is a transgender man.

[@atienzo98]

You are 100% correct. Unfortunately, transpeople don't want to stop at gender. Some transpeople want to have their birth certificates and ID's changed from M to F or F to M. That's where I draw the line. Gender is a social construct but sex is biological.

[@andrewtaylor7981]

I agree with Jesus. The fact there was no consent is crucial. I would be annoyed as well and that doesn’t mean I’m transphobic I would just like to know who I’m having sex with. What’s wrong with that?

[@cathybrown5383]

First, I love Julia but I totally disagree with her stance. I’m 💯 with Jesus on the honesty upfront so it allows me to decide if I want to stay or go. It’s not being transphobic at all and how his friend feels about it is his choice. He’s not slamming the girl or putting her out there or calling her names. He’s just struggling internally with how he feels and there’s nothing wrong with that.

[@21ventura]

This episode is making me upset at Julia

[@nataliaurrea6950]

I think all cards should be put on the table first cause you’re choosing to share your body with someone and you deserve to know who you’re getting into bed with. I believe that orientation, age, relationship status, etc. should be discussed beforehand to ensure both parties reach consensus before becoming intimate. I would feel violated if someone lied to me about stuff like that, even as a bi woman. It’s all about the principle.

[@mzkarma6751]

OMG I MISS U GUYS!!!!

[@kiarademoner]

Jesus is wild! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pettypoppen]

I feel like Julia got dumber as time has gone on. You cannot blame someone for being upset and assume he is questioning his sexuality. It can be just as simple as his preference is cis woman.

[@Anonymous-kz7yv]

They are part of a literal satanic gaslighting, covert trojan horse illuminati, actually surprised how deep they are in

[@roflkappater9358]

She was never a smart person...

[@babbique939]

her point is more that if he couldn’t even tell the difference then clearly he was into her, if he was to deny that attraction solely bc she’s trans it’s a bit questionable. he has a right to be upset that he was lied to but i think he should ask himself what exactly upset him.

[@NinaInthaWorld]

Just bc you don't understand her argument doesn't make her dumb lol she never blamed him. She's actually showing him a lot of empathy.

[@roflkappater9358]

@@NinaInthaWorld lol being tricked into liking something that u werent into, use that logic for something illegal. What if someone was tricked into statutory rape? The transwoman is a piece of shit, she knows what she was doing and likely gets off to tricking people, her telling them AFTERWARDS is the key part. Mind you they think the transowman has no male genitals, imagine if they did, lights are off and u feel a dick in your ass? imagine using the defense that its transphobic to not like dick in your ass from a transwoman.