What if Hol Horse joined the Stardust Crusaders?

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[@barnabassebesteny1490]

I can't wait scenario two of Dio escaping sounds awesome, I think that we should definitely bring Pucci and heaven into this

[@Toxic_Death]

Oh no raid got you too?

[@Whynotdraw]

Bro you sounded dead inside doing the raid sponsor

[@galaxiiprotogen]

please stop

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Honestly, I wish Hol Horse would have joined the crusaders, I feel as that would give him character development by finally conquering his fear and rising to be the brave warrior, he always claimed to be and instead of running away from stronger opponents he actually stays and fight

[@thecrusader1673]

@Ggnkrsfkoqxbk i love goyim jokes

[@orenges7034]

It definitely helps if you include the fact that his philosophy is always to be a Number 2 no matter what.

[@sentientbottleofglue6272]

*Hol D. Horse*

[@pixilmon]

Yeah

[@sentientbottleofglue6272]

@Fabiol Migue 🤥🏹 and 🔫🤠 ^ (Slingshot)

[@lefteron6804]

What if he joined them after the justice fight? If she threw a line that not only she wanted revenge but Dio marked him for death for failing him. That way he joins way earlier and he has good reason to join, since he'll never be safe as long as Dio lives.

[@notoriety_]

no at the time polnareff hated him for "killing" avdol

[@blob7963]

@@notoriety_ The crusaders could clue him in on the fact Avdol is alive Or, hilariously, they just accept Hol Horse without mentioning Avdol is alive

[@lucazaroli6761]

@@blob7963 Polnareff: "I'll never forgive you for killing Avdol!" The other Crusaders: "Stfu Polnareff"

[@notoriety_]

@@lucazaroli6761 🤣

[@notoriety_]

@Lincoln it will give me a gun like hol horse or give me a machine gun

[@JOLT_x3]

if Hol Horse did join the crusaders. polnareff and him would dip just after the alessi fight and would form a famous comedy group with polnareff which would become world famous.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

And Polnareff would been in top shape to build Polnareff Land and not be trapped in a turtle.

[@JOLT_x3]

@@SpammytheHedgehog yeah. maybe he'd pay homage to hol horse by building a giant carousel where all the horses have hats and holsters.

[@senabecool7232]

Wait, by dip you mean leave the gang or something else

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

a One shot manga would be great

[@Unknown-hb3id]

Imagine a bearded Hol Horse blasting Diavolo with Emperor lol

[@swapper5684]

One thing you didn’t consider is Iggy wouldn’t be helping, since it was his solo battle vs Pet Shop that made it personal for him & pushed him to help at the mansion

[@Green-3c34y65vrbu]

def, Iggy would just be wandering around Cairo.

[@csndbdbdhdb]

Going by that logic, Iggy lives either way??

[@Purple_Sloth]

Thats true, that could bring up an issue with vanilla ice especially considering that there is not a big black orb floating around since there is no sand being absorbed and no real way to mimic either Dio or Jotaro. I still think they would live, maybe with kakyoin or hol horse also dying in the fight though. I think with Joseph still having hamon, that could also be a way to get the win without having to fully bathe him in sunlight.

[@hyperdreamer9483]

@@Purple_Sloth Honestly just having Jotaro there is a big advantage since Star Platinum could just bust down walls as he sees fit and it Vanilla Ice comes out of hiding since he seemed to be unaware he was a vampire he could be dealt with. I hate to think it but Joseph in this battle is just outmatched here even with Hamon he’d need to get close and I just don’t see Vanilla Ice getting caught by Joseph without some major setup

[@Purple_Sloth]

@@hyperdreamer9483 I don’t think Star platinum would be much off a buff outside of a guy who is very precise and aware about things going on. Like at this point, Star platinum can’t really hurt him. The walls I feel like Polnareff could’ve done aswell. The issue ultimately is that Polnareff didn’t figure out he was a vampire until after trying to kill him. I do think Joseph having fought vampires a ton would probably identify this quicker, in typical Joseph commentary like “wOAH! That’s a Vampire!” After the fatal attack they do. I doubt Joseph can solo this, I’m mostly referring to if they can bait him out of hiding and they get a clean hit off of Vanilla Ice, then Joseph would be the best option.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Fun fact: The creator, Hirohiko Araki chose not to put Hol Horse with the Stardust Crusaders, because he and Polnareff are just alike.

[@mesiagamer5217]

Yep

[@boraguven4830]

how did you learn this

[@enchantedskullbit]

@@boraguven4830 Araki said/wrote it somewhere. i dont remember where, gonna have to google it

[@InsomniaDaydreamer]

@@boraguven4830 It's common knowledge, I'm pretty sure it was said in either JojoVeller or JoJo-A GoGo

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

I wish he would have gotten a character development with the crusaders, after being constantly humiliated and terrified of DIO, in his final battle he would finally challange and overcome his fear and finally come face to face with DIO

[@Reverse_Spider_Parker]

I'm glad Hol Horse is in the spin off Crazy Diamond Demonic Heartbreak And there's his character really shines, I recommend reading it

[@jotarothepenguin9399]

best jojo spinoff

[@THEDIVISIONbythedivisionbell]

​@@jotarothepenguin9399I mean, it's the ONLY spinoff that's labelled as official, thus arguably canon. Purple Haze Feedback, to say one, unfortunately doesn't have that privilege

[@StarPlatinum7912]

I LOVE THAT SPIN-OFF MANGA OMG

[@a.bdioro5302]

WHEN DID IT COME OUT

[@yourlocalcoffee0330]

I honestly think Dio wouldn’t have relocated, even if he knew for a fact that the crusaders were in the mansion. I mean, he stayed put even when the group was in Cairo. The way I always thought about it was that he was prideful and believed he could kill the Joestars himself. He even says outright during the fight with everyone that he wants to destroy the bloodline so he wouldn’t have to deal with any more Joestars. I think it’s definitely possible for him to get D’Arby and Vanilla Ice to stall for him to get out of there, but it just feels out of character. I think the likelier possibility is that Dio orders them to hard-target Kakyoin Polnareff and Avdol (and I guess Hol Horse as well if he’s there) and leave the JoJos to him.

[@sophisticateddozen]

Honestly that’s not a bad concept, think about it for a second, how the hell are projectiles gonna counter Ice’s void plus the fact that he’s a vampire?

[@Darth_Conans]

Prideful? "For you to say that, at this very last moment... You truly are human... You think like a mortal who only has a short time on this planet. 'Bad taste in your mouth'? What, you're afraid you'll regret it?! Your reasoning stinks as bad as rat sh*t in a bathroom! Your foolish honor will be your demise! But as for me, I don't think like that. All I have is one simple goal... just one! To win and to dominate! That's it... That's all that can fulfill me!"

[@yourlocalcoffee0330]

What are you trying to say with that quote lol

[@Darth_Conans]

I'm imagining Hol Horse leading the Joestar group into the mansion and just immediately blasting the pillar Kenny G is hiding in and then being like "My work here is done!"

[@boneman9751]

I feel like hol would join after justice and everyone would be like “oh okay just don’t cause problems and keep up.” Hol horse’s cowardice would be a massive drive in his character. He’s talking a big game but hides behind the group and runs when he gets caught out by himself. He’s a perfect representation of the reverse emperor. A coward with no control desperately clinging to more powerful people to give him that facade of control. Then, as the part continues, he’s slowly gaining confidence. And at the end, Hol’s big moment would be very similar to when polnareff was on the stairs. Alone, cornered by a powerful monster that he is terrified of. Dio says to him “either turn around and run away, or put 1 foot on those stairs and die.” And the steel emperor puts 1 foot forward.

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

IMO Hol dies saving Avdol or Avdol leaves the team out spite because he doesn't trust Hol Horse after almost killing him and making jokes about it when he did.

[@TealZero]

Hol Horse being a main character in Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak is amazing, and I'm glad Araki technically gave him a main role with a Jojo

[@jotarothepenguin9399]

creazy Diamond demonic hardbreak is not writed by araki

[@TealZero]

@@jotarothepenguin9399 that's why I said technically, although I could've worded it better. It's a part of the Jojo universe, and it's not like Araki is against the story in any way

[@AiYamari]

He tried to flirt with Ryoko Kakyoin

[@InsomniaDaydreamer]

I love the constant Hol Horse png being used throughout the episode, it literally kills me every time I see it

[@slammbamm1977]

Peak editing

[@mesiagamer5217]

Hol horse feels like he's just an amalgamation of the other characters.'worst traits.'

[@kujoova]

I think you should do scenarios like: “What if Jotaro learned timestop early” or “What if Josuke went to save Jolyne”

[@hyperdreamer9483]

That first one it just makes everything afterwards easier for him as he had time stop down almost immediately after learning it. The second would pretty end the same but everyone is just more healed and there’s one more person. Like as soon as Jotaro was down that fight with Made in Heaven was over immediately and I just don’t see Josuke being of that much help.

[@kujoova]

@@hyperdreamer9483 if he learned it early i want to know how different the DIO fight would go and if he would be able to save kakyoin idk i think josuke would’ve been more effective when fighting whitesnake, plus his restoration ability worked on sheer heart attack, a stand ability so if jotaro was to have his discs stole its very likely josuke could restore it

[@SuperDababy2]

@@kujoova forget Josuke, what if Jotaro brought Koichi in his pocket to the MiH fight? Could Act 3 combo with Star Platinum at the very end to make Pucci to heavy to move just as he gets into time stop range?

[@kujoova]

@@SuperDababy2Probably, act 3 directly affects his body, which would be good for restraint

[@Saisaiwathan420]

If josuke was there Jotaro in heavy's voice: "MEDIC!"

[@J4WSH1E]

Imagine Hol Horse’s Bullets just being erased by cream in the vanilla ice fight and then instantly just dying.

[@Caffiend-Cat]

Well if we take Heartbreak into consideration Hol Horse does seem to have a bit more loyalty in him than originally expected, although this probably mostly comes after part 3 and him having time to reflect on himself. And as I'm saying this I haven't got a chance to even finish reading the first chapter yet so this is mostly an assumption on my part

[@castle9165]

I think the problem for Pet Shop, the second D'Arby brother and even Vanilla Ice is that most of the crusaders have ranged stands or stands that are extremely fast with ranged abilities. Even Joseph could actually stand his ground against Pet shop just by using Hermit Purple's vines to immobilize him and just yank him out of the sky. The only exception to this rule is Iggy (and maybe Polnareff since he can only launch his sword once). We've seen Hierophant Green and Magician's Red go up against very mobile enemies (Grey fly and Polnareff) already and dominate them too. Avdol with Magician's Red can also melt metal very quickly, putting his flames around 2000∘C if not more, so he probably hard-counters the ice. Pet Shop really does just die on sight. Same with 2nd D'Arby, of course, and possibly even Vanilla Ice when he comes out to see. I think if they had more time - thanks to Hol Horse getting them to the building earlier and the crusaders not having to wait for Iggy and Avdol's guy and their fights taking much less time - they could choose to attack the mansion in the morning, which would make it very hard for DIO to escape and set up any kind of defence, especially since he didn't seem to have much help outside the stand users we see. I think they get to DIO before the sun even goes down, provided they win their fights within like 10-12 hours of entering. At that point, DIO would be at a severe disadvantage. The only good move for DIO would be to go for a team battle, but DIO's ego would definitely not allow that, as it would go against his whole thing of being all-powerful. There's a reason most fights are one-on-one or have some trick to them and it's because as a team the crusaders are just scary.

[@RifterDask]

Hol Horse actually would have been invaluable against Vanilla Ice. A precision ranged stand was precisely what Iggy and Polnareff needed at their side. One good shot while Ice was peeking out of Cream could have turned things around.

[@Sassaparilla]

The problem is still that VI was a Vampire, and Stands do not inherently grant the boons that Hamon does. IOW, even if 100% Equestrian lands a shot, VI would likely just heal from the damage, as Cream is practically indestructible while in ball mode. If VI had fully adapted to his Vampiric form, he likely would've been just as much of a powerhouse as DIO, but in a different way. DIO could stop time of course, but if he isn't peeking, VI is quite literally unable to be harmed. If you touch him, you die, and unlike DIO, he didn't have an unwilling body fighting against him, so he would also have access to ranged attacks like Space Ripper Stingy Eyes while inside of Cream, meaning he can peek and immediately fire with a basically unblockable attack that would leave some of his vampiric essence behind, which is another problem ignoring Joseph. Joseph would actually be the ONLY salvageable comeback probably, just because he knows how to combat Vampires and their superior equivalent, the Pillar Men.

[@nigelxd3735]

If Vanilla wasn't a Vampire then yes, but as a vampire the bullet shots wouldn't do much

[@ratking7383]

​@@nigelxd3735then they would probably figure out that VI is a vampire and try to fry him up

[@nigelxd3735]

@@ratking7383 yeah that's exactly how it went in the normal continuity, i'm just saying is unlikely he's presence would've prevented Aphdolf's death, maybe Iggy's tho

[@crisisboy5822]

​@nigelxd3735 i mean hol horse shooting vi in the head and him simply shrugging it off would definitely tip them to the fact that he isn't a normal human. Especially if he gets that shot in early in the fight.

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

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[@pagawn1640]

I feel like Polnareff and Hol Horse would work really well as a tag team, as Pol could keep their front busy with his ultra fast sword ghost and Hol would get plenty of opportunities to attack at their openings or create openings for Polnareff.

[@Sassaparilla]

Basically a two piece combo, similar to Hanged Man, but instead of being a diversion and backstab tactic, Pol takes the front and keeps the target on the backpedal, while Hol can just fan the hammer from behind (Emp doesn't actually have any restrictions other than being a gun that shoots bullets, actually an INCREDIBLY OP stand), weaving endless shots around Pol and SC to whittle the target down, which will just make SC's hits land more frequently due to the injuries being accrued on both fronts.

[@Kool-Jay]

I think the second scenario is interesting because I could see Hol Horse being fearful for his life and actually trying to find DIO, somehow, so that he can backstab the Stardust Crusaders. At this point, Hol Horse knows he can't beat DIO, but the best logical option is to side with and support DIO with his life. DIO would not trust Hol Horse at all, so if DIO did meet up with Hol Horse, DIO would implant a flesh bud in Hol Horse. Also, the Stardust Crusaders wouldn't know about Stand Arrows since DIO is gone, and he surely destroyed any trace of him and what he was searching for, so there are some astonishing implications to pull from there too. This also goes into another choice of DIO either lying in silence or trying to kill the Stardust Crusaders, but because of his experience with the Joestar bloodline already I think he would wait and strengthen his allies; Like imagine if somehow DIO hears of Kira in Morioh and he thinks "Alright, I could use this guy who somehow never leaves a trace of a body after a murder." Also, Bruno's gang in Passione would have no assistance from Jotaro or Polnareff so they're just gone because, with Giorno there, I believe the group would still want to reform Passione. Anyway, cool conceptual video Kaleb, I hope you and your family are doing well.

[@battlebooger6421]

I would love it if hol horse could've had the final hit on vanilla ice, like sunlight gleaming off his bullet or something. imagine hol horse having a stand off with vanilla ice, they share some dialogue, and then hol horse shoots a bullet, it whizzes past vanilla ice, and he says something like "hah, you missed" then hol horse responds with "I never miss" and you just see a single ray of light pierce through vanilla ice's skull, as he falls to the ground and turns to ash.

[@suiramnat]

Bruh that would be amazing to have the sunlight reflect off the bullet.

[@geardog24]

I like your alternate take with Hol Horse. Especially the part where Iggy lives.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

This would've been great. If Hol Horse had switched and joined the Stardust Crusaders, then he probably would've told them about Dio's Stand and weaknesses.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Hol Horse would try to run away, I mean man dips out in terrifying scenarios but I have a feeling that he himself would actually develop as character if he were with the Crusaders

[@athelonus]

He didn't know what the world's powers were.

[@mouthwide0pen]

He didn't know what Dio could do though.

[@neoramaredzone8544]

The only stand user that we know for sure that knew Dio’s powers was the older Darby brother and Enya.

[@1810jeff]

@@athelonus He had a vague idea, just telling them that he can teleport would be a big clue.

[@TheBlueFedora-tp2om]

What Joseph brings to the table is a dash of moral support an ounce of wisdom and most importantly a dash of Hamon

[@mossy3565]

I think synergy between Jotaro and Iggy could be a potential development of their relationship. I'm reminded of the scene that Jotaro actually tried to make friends with the mutt, only to get gum in his cap. It could be heartwrenching to see them actually land some good hits on Vanilla Ice, and just when they think they've lost, Iggy's ecstatic and goes to grab Jotaro's hat and... Well, Fate plays out, and Jotaro actually gets to see Iggy die. It's a fun callback, and provides some more depth to their relationship which was kind of missed out... But I think one of the best outcomes for a show like this is saying 'I wish they did more, because it was so good'

[@stranger5011]

"But I don't want to kill the cowboy, let's just add a cute little dog instead" Araki

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Polnareff and Hol Horse are exactly the same type of character.

[@-AirKat-]

Polnareff vs Anubis: “So I’m the same type of character as Hol Horse” *_shoots sword_*

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

So were Avdol and Kakyoin.

[@goldenrose223]

15:17 es, Joseph gets them to try to hide out somewhere and seeing as Dio is gone, figures the group should learn some form of hamon so they're "protected" in the night

[@abnormallamp2037]

I read a fanfic where Hol Horse joined passione after being stuck in a pocket dimension out of time and space for several years. I never knew I needed a wholesome story about Fugo and Hol Horse bonding but man was that one of the best fanfics I’ve ever read.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

Name, please?

[@sidonay2735]

Name please I beg

[@emeraldawesome2420]

It would be cool if instead of immediately joining the crusaders, he fought pet shop with Iggy and then joined them. So in the dio fight he might be selfless for once and take a hit for Iggy. Just a thought

[@wp2837]

Can you do a video about could Bruno's gang go on the same Journey as Stardust Crusaders? Like could they defeat all the Stand users that the Stardust Crusaders fight and all that.

[@Adnan-qf2rz]

I also followed The fact of josuke never being born leading to kira getting Bites the Dust and being able to live a peacefull life so hol horse not only ruins part 3 in the second scenario but also part 4 unless kira makes a mistake

[@grixan8012]

Hol Horse gives Joseph his Emperor and Joseph just shoots the shit out of Hamon Infused Bullets Hol Horse controls the trajectory ofc, would be cool as shit Dio acknowledging Hol Horse as a threat and potentially trying to take him out first

[@thelasthunter3123]

I love so much that he plays such a big role in CDDH and god dammit do I hope he survives. It's really made me grow to love his character and really care about him.

[@Tastytorble]

I’m pretty sure hol horse would just shoot him if Vanilla ice decides to peek out

[@Sassaparilla]

@@Tastytorble too bad stands can't actually kill Vamps without targeting said Vamp's stand, the one in question almost always being impervious to damage.

[@TortoiseNotTurtle]

I do wanna mention for the vanilla ice fight, once finding out hes a vampire Joseph could use hamon

[@hondaaccord1399]

I won't lie, I think a full squad-V-Cream fight would cause Jotaro enough stress to accidentally trigger The World without realizing, offering him the upper hand for like, a single second. Not even enough time for him to realize time stopped

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Hol horse: hey think about it you don't have a jojo group with a cowboy Gyro: ahem Hol horse: in this universe

[@shiraori5450]

"Iggy could possibly survive?" Does DIO have a fireplace, or a furnace?

[@pupiis]

0:05 why does Avdol's shoe look like an Ultra Ball

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Maybe it's just the design. JoJo's Bizarre Adventures did come out in the 80's.

[@asdergold1]

At least maybe Jotaro wouldn't be as traumatized and would possibly have Iggy around? Unless his mother died. That, would make him much more of a Crusader.

[@comissardann]

I think the best way to add Hol Horse in the group is (considering what we got without changing too much)... After he tries to kill DIO, he runs away in fear, and he is followed by another of DIOs goons, so Hol Horse has to fight the goon, but at the same time, the Crusaders arrive and then they dont know who to fight, so it becomes a 3-way battle (That would be insane to watch), and that would lead the Crusaders closer to DIOs mansion and Hol Horse would escape, until... In the DIO/Jotaro fight, Hol Horse would appear somewhere in the middle of the fight, to take advantage of the situation and try to finish DIO off, here multiple things could happen, like DIO draining or simply killing Hol Horse (or hurting him pretty bad), and Jotaro could use this as a distraction to formulate a plan or to hit DIO earlier in the fight. And thats it, he survives and goes away at the end or he dies trying to finish DIO during the last fight. We probably would never see him again, since he would be scared of Diavolo and would have nothing to do with Morioh.

[@jackkrell4238]

Holly actually wouldn't have perished if DIO wasn't eliminated immediately after encountering him, as in episode 44 when suzie Q and rosas were in japan checking in on holly they mentioned that it had been 45 days since the crsuaders departed. They still had a few days left to spare, but they had to kill dio as soon as possible since he was going to pursue them until they all were disposed of.

[@plazmatic2664]

We need a part 2. DIO, Darby, Cream and Petshop vs The team + Hol horse is something we need

[@dreamiinotdream730]

With that in mind, wouldn’t it be Dio, Vanilla Ice and Petshop? The Darby Brothers can’t really do anything if the team choose not to interact and just beat their assses

[@plazmatic2664]

@@dreamiinotdream730 very factual

[@Red_Eggie]

Hermit Purple is actually really useful, but as Hol Horse's Emperor it works as a combo stand

[@JH-lb6qf]

So we're deadass not getting a "How Strong is Jolyne" huh Kaleb?

[@RealPratfall]

I think I great video idea would be what if Jotaro and Polnareff traded where they searched for the arrows (basically Polnareff in Part 4 and Jotaro in Part 5)

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

I made a video on that idea if you want a link to it?

[@TheGreatVoicemancer]

I love how we did get to see hol horse as a protag in crazy diamond hearbreak, and makes me wish we got to see more of hol horse as a protagonist

[@the_hat_man879]

the moment hol horse had to fight petshop in scenario 1 it's like "pet shops fucked hol horse has a gun"

[@Salty_C.J.]

i think the whole group vs vanilla ice would either end with the group giving joesph a chance to fry the vampire with his hamon or with jotaro and iggy smashing open the room to let in the sun

[@therealstarplatinum]

Man sounded dead inside while he did that raid sponsor 💀

[@jotarouchiha5950]

Make what if Lisa² was in part 3 , what if Jonathan was in part 2 , what if Jotaro went to Italy ?

[@gralfosare-yh8dr]

9:14 wouldn’t Kakyoin feel his webs being destroyed by Vanilla Ice? A minor nitpick, I know. Great video regardless.

[@thatonething.73]

13:45 Lol a chicken add poped uo when you said he thinks.

[@t5hammer871]

Tbh I feel like Hol Horse would’ve been a massive asset in the search for Kira. One, he’s a bounty hunter whose whole thing is hunting folks down. Two, he’s a ranged stand user who can outmaneuver unarmored silver chariot, and Three, Kira strikes me as the kind of guy who he’d kinda be repulsed by and want to take out. Hol Horse really doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who'd let a serial killer walk around... especially if he's being paid by the Speedwagon Foundation. As for how this would go, IF Hol Horse survives to part 4, I see him being contracted by Jotaro to scope out stand users, keep an eye on Josuke (keep him out of trouble and whatnot, kinda co-parenting with Jotaro as the cool-uncle character) and take out the real dangerous ones like Kira. I see Hol Horse being reluctant, but the pay is good (and not getting the crap kicked out of him is better) so he goes. Hol Horse has a massive advantage against most of the stand users in Morio given his long-ranged abilities. A few cool fights would be: Hol Horse vs Keicho Hol Horse and Okuyasu vs Red Hot Chilipepper Hol Horse vs. Kira (First encounter, likely replace Koichi in that encounter) Hol Horse vs Highway Star and Hol Horse, Josuke, Okuyasu and Jotaro vs Kira in the final encounter.

[@chongwillson972]

@T5hammer hol horse getting paid big bucks to just to go with jotaro to deal with Johngalli A? hol horse in part 6?

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

I actually did do a Hol Horse what if that is kinda similar to this. If you want a link to the video I wouldn't mind sending it to you?

[@kielbasamage]

Don't forget he's a ladies man, so he'd find someone like Kira to be scum of the earth.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

At least Iggy got to live out the rest of his days.

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Avdol or Hol Horse could take Kakyoin's spot in doing the 20 meter attack and die revealing The World's ability or they use there abilities and distract Dio long enough so during the time stop Kakyoin doesn't die? Or Jotaro goes with them and moves and saves him? IDK I just don't see Kakyoin diying personally.

[@chongwillson972]

@Wyndell Lee the Spammer and also plow a bunch of bitches... which might create a bunch of dog stand users...?

[@unikaigaming]

Fun fact:Hol Horse was originally supposed to join after the fight with Enya, but Araki thought his was too strong for that

[@Adventure3Man]

I like that hol horse wanted to kill DIO which is what made DIO respect him

[@edgyusername4191]

Kaleb: Rai- Me: KING CRIMSON!

[@MrMcGee-yc1oq]

I love how this timeline is divided solely by the actions of a cold bird.

[@vulpix5563]

Ad skip: 2:24

[@ohskateboarding]

I feel like the pet shop versus Iggy fight was mainly pet shop thinking he was stronger than Iggy, but if pet shop saw the entire stardust crusader team, I'm pretty sure he would run away to DO

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Wait, in this timeline, wouldn't that mean Kakyoin never comes back since they'd be in the mansion earlier? So in this timeline, Hol Horse would die instead of Avdol IMO, Iggy would survive because both Avdol and Polnareff are here, and I think that Avdol would die in Kakyoin's spot, while Kakyoin gets his own return against Dio where he does the 20 meter emerald splash, hopefully not dying.

[@buggytheclown1533]

I think that Avdol doesn’t get hit in this scenario and I’ll tell you why. An unstoppable void comes barreling at Jotaro and Avdol. Star Platinum is fast enough to push Avdol out of the way. Just as the void is about to hit Jotaro… time stops. Just like how DIO discovered his own time stop, Jotaro would discover his.

[@GStefanes_]

I love Hol Horse, i wish he was one of the good guys, everything about him, from his looks, to his theme to his stand is so awesome and badass, i love western movies and cowboys, always have had a soft spot for these type of characters.

[@thatoneguylynx8647]

10:42 I personally think that Joseph could get vanilla ice’s head with hermit purple and just hamon charge it

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Fact: Iggy has 2 different deaths in Jojo. One in the 1990's OVA and in the 2015 Anime.

[@jotarothepenguin9399]

avdol too i think

[@reymartmaquiling5828]

I mean like many fictional characters, he, along with the oingo and boingo brothers were just in the wrong group

[@diondadigger]

DIO has always loved his dogs. Idk if Iggy is making it out of there

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Maybe he can sacrifice himself to reveal Za Waurdo's power in Kakyoin's place?

[@diondadigger]

@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 You're right. Dio would have to stop time and come up with the fashion in which he plans to violate his next victim(dog)

[@dragonknight1560]

I see Dio doing 2 things: Pick the Crusaders like a freaking vampire that he is... or escape... and go to where Pucci is at. If that becomes the case... I don't know if the Crusaders will beat both Dio and Pucci.

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Yes they can. WS isn't the best for combat and most stands (instead of Hermit Purple) beat Pucci. And Dio gets ganged up on.

[@durpien]

If hol horse joined we would have gotten joseph vs vanilla ice. The elder vampire hunter vs the fresh vampire.... with stands!

[@tradeoffer7940]

Hey Kaleb I’m a huge fan and I love your videos keep up the great work!

[@Kingayethe1]

It would've been cool to see Hol Horse with the boys

[@AnthonySmith-qf9ee]

Stardust crusader (1988-89) army: Jotaro, Joseph, Polnareff, Avdol, Kakyoin & iggy Stardust crusader (20XX-....) Army: Jotaro, Joseph, Polnareff, Avdol, Kakyoin, iggy, Hol-horse, oingo boingo brothers, Caesar zeppeli, etc

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Caesar's grandson and granddaughter, and N'doul.

[@Xxkiller_of_noobsxX]

8:47 why does that "ora" sounds so good

[@SaltedMallows]

Well I guess Hol Horse was written well because people stilltalk about him

[@breadcatdev7508]

I belive that in the fight with pet shop joseph would be a great help because of his hamon. Hamon can travel through the ice

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Fun fact: Dio told Hol Horse that he was weak on his left side.

[@Polengue]

Another Fun Fact: Dio tried to finish Jotaro with his left leg, and thats why he lose

[@poopie5719]

@@Polengue nah because by that time dio was strong on both sidesafter drinking joseph’s blood

[@omnikuya]

i would have loved to see ole hol join the crusaders. maybe the change couldve happened slightly earlier on, after the j.geil fight, where he doesnt get the chhance to flee and has to square off against big Pol. after beating the living shit out of hol horse, polnareff stands above him as hol horse is knocked down, his eyes closed and whimpering, fearing the release of death, and polnareff being the french badass we know just spares him, and walks away. being at someone elses mercy, other than dio, and that person being the baguette man of the group would probably help hol horse realize something. his life motto is to be second and first is not worth it, but...IS he even second? with a new idealogy (still in development) he joins the crusaders, maybe has a bigger play in battles against the glory gods and in the final battle, would rush with polnareff to chase dio at the end (knowing thats not a wise decision) because thats the man who spawned this developing change inside him and the one he believes to be the one whose finally going to bring his closure to him. set the scene: polnareff attacks dio while jotaro is faking his death and shit, as you do. polnareff gets rekt of course, but jotaro doesnt let off yet, he is aware hol horse is also present, finally squaring off against the being who he betrayed. Dio would say something menacing and threaten his life, but would decide to make it a little interesting. He will give hol horse the chance to run, saving his own life and sparing himself of the sight of seeing frenchman with chef hat hair die. OR, he could stay and fight, and dio will gladly end him before polnareff. seeing jotaro on the floor, thinking him dead, and polnareff at the gay vampire's mercy, hol horse would be sweating tears and crying ... sweat i guess. every inch of his being just telling him to run, flee...he turns around, slowly walks away, dio laughing at the expected display of incompetence and cowardice, about to finish polnareff off... then BAM! A BULLET SHOOTS THROUGH THE ARM HE WAS CHOKING POLNAREFF WITH. DIO TURNS AROUND, TO BE MET WITH A BARRAGE OF BULLETS COMING AT HIM, AIMED AT HIS LEGS AND FEET, AN ATTEMPT TO SUSPENDING HIS MOVEMENT. HE USES THE WORLD TO DEFLECT MOST OF THEM BUT THE INFINITE AMMO IS TOO MUCH AND HIS LIMBS ARE PIERCED, AT THIS DISTANCE HE CANNOT SIMULTAENOUSLY BLOCK THE INCOMING PROJECTILES AND ATTACK HOL HRORSE, EVEN WITH THE APPLICATION OF TIME STOP, HE STARES AT HOL HORSE, BEHIND THE INCOMING BARRAGE OF LEAD, WITH A SMIRK ON HIS FACE, "emperor act 2...go beyond heaven" DIO IS ENRAGED. HE HAS HAD ENOUGH, RAGE AMP, TIME STOP HE TAKES ALL OF THE SHOTS COMING AT HIM AND FOCUSES ON USING HIS OWN KNIVES TO ATTACK HOL HORSE, BUT WAIT...... HES STRUCK WITH A POWERFUL HIT FROM THE BACK, ITS JOTARO AND STAR PLATINUM , ORA ORA AND SOME SHIT, TS ENDS, JOTARO HURLS DIO AT A UILDING AND FOLLOWS PURSUIT BY USING HIS TOTALLYNOTFLYINGJUSTJUMPINGGOOD TECHNIQUE. Ahem... leaving hol behind, heping polnareff up, a new man...number one.

[@RandomtheRando]

5:50 and josephs…josephs…(ad plays) litter robot? Yes, it is confirmed that joseph has a cat.

[@sebastianodepietri6411]

The gerudo Valley theme at the beginning,love It.

[@trickburn6665]

Dio would have killed Iggy first because he doesn't like dogs

[@daboring1]

what if pucci was in stardust crusaders? i think he would be somewhere before or after the vanilla ice fight

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Depends when he fights a character/characters and who they are. I have a few scenarios to pop in my mind. Pucci vs all of them. Pucci vs Avdol, Iggy, and Polnareff before Ice. Pucci vs Jotaro, Joseph, and Kakyoin after Younger Darby. Pucci vs Polnareff after Vanilla Ice. Pucci vs Jotaro and Polnareff going after them while Dio fights Joseph and Kakyoin. Pucci vs Joseph and Kakyoin and he goes after them instead of Dio. Pucci vs Jotaro after Dio is killed. Those are all my ideas for if Pucci was there.

[@gentlepeeps3351]

I think with vanilla ice they could do a sand rain trick to see where he is moving or Joseph could use hermit purple to track him maybe in a avadols blood like how he did with the dust in that city

[@unbroken_chains]

lets be for real, if holly died jotaro is ending that fight with Dio 10x quicker

[@C-moon352]

Imagine a Hol Horse and Polnareff vs Dio fight

[@Clos_Goldstienburg-III]

The combo attacks Silver Chariot & Emperor could pull off would of been badass. Also very funny imagining Polnareff & Hol Horse running around like kids trying to escape from Alessi.

[@creepstone8621]

Imagine Hol Horse appearing in Diamond is Unbreakable and Stone Ocean.

[@12DAMDO]

the first half of this video is a what if but the second half is straight up fan fiction, let's be honest

[@luigifan001]

15:14 DIO, running away??? 😅 Arrogant prick is making that hawk fly back and fight them or kill it on the spot.

[@Keys60_]

the use of the twilight princess ost as i'm currently in the middle of replaying it, absolutely beautiful

[@peanutbutter7726]

I honestly wished hol horse helped the group occasionally instead of joining the group. I think it would've been fun to have him redeem himself on the side.

[@anthonykartalyan9895]

Rizz, Joseph’s Rizz for support.

[@theradionicrevival8068]

Partially thinking of the youtuber Totally not marks recent video on who would’ve won the buu saga tournament in dragonball Z But I’m honestly really onboard with these kinds of hypotheticals in fiction as of late, not to for the big potential fight setups, but more from the specific angle you and mark get into as to moreso also tell a story of where the creators were at when writing these stories and how they’d tell the outcome of these hypothetical events from a thematical perspective rather than purely power scaling based. I used to watch your vids a lot back in the day, so it’s cool to see you get more into the the theatrics to set the mood for these scenarios However, I’m mostly an anime only so my background knowledge on the making of each manga part post-part 5 is iffy but honestly? I have a feeling with arakis writing style back then, I’d honestly fully expect Hol Horse to be the only non-joestar left of the crusaders by the parts end, in place of Polnareff. Something about the irony of 1/3 of the worlds final defense is a guy fighting his OP ex-boss, choosing to side with humanity (the losing side) rather than monsters and how that goes against his entire life motto and survival strategy in a literal Mexican standoff against god. 💀 Either just killing him off there or choosing to have him live with the cruel of fate of having to move on accept his role as one of earths reluctant protectors as he grows and explores the world into parts 4-8 would be an insane 3rd video if you wanna make this thing a series The image of a matured but still reluctant MC being the last line of defense against pucci while Jotaros MIA in part 6 would go nutty

[@HSE331]

the fact that one of the biggest jojo youtubers still says AVDOL when it's an ABDUL reference is insane

[@VestedUTuber]

Ok, in scenario 2, I don't think Josuke would actually die there. The thing with Holly is that when DIO was finally defeated Holly's stand went away entirely, while Josuke still had Crazy Diamond just like how Jotaro retained Star Platinum. Logically, that would mean Josuke managed to finally gain control of Crazy Diamond and fully develop it at some point before Jotaro killed DIO, but after the flashback scene where a Bosozoku ganger rescues Josuke and his mother during a blizzard (which actually inspired Josuke's fighting spirit and allowed him to gain control of Crazy Diamond). Alternatively, if Josuke's Stand Sickness was cured by DIO's death, that does result in the funny scenario where Holly keeps her stand as well, like in that one fan-made short comic where Holly uses her stand to discipline Jotaro after he mouths off at her.

[@HSE331]

and if you think about it when D'arby JR opens up that gamer portal if Abdul and Polnareff jumped in with them they wouldn't lose 2 members to Vanilla Ice

[@brayenmorrison3199]

I had this funny concept in my head too.

[@jacobpiol5946]

I was looking at the thumbnail for a straight minute wondering what felt wrong to me, and I completely forgot that in part 3 their shoulders are massive

[@johnsmovies287]

Honestly I would have loved to see Joseph using Hamon to kill Vanilla Ice or channel the sunlight to set him up for Jotaro (in this hypothetical).

[@niksin9941]

Joesph would be an essential Part against Vanilla Ice, he would need to be able to use his hermit purple and Hamon Combo against him. Maybe cover Iggys Dio-dummy in it.