Could Young Joseph Joestar beat Dio?

[@IsaacKuo]

I say Joseph wins, because of two factors: 1) Unlike MANY JoJo characters, Joseph knows when to run away. This gives him an extra edge in any sort of "unprepared" situation, just because he'll have an extra step making an escape compared to most. 2) While Dio and Joseph may have similar brains smarts, Joseph has superior emotional smarts. Joseph may pretend to have pride, but when it comes right down to it it's usually just an act to deceive his opponent. Joseph will sink to any level to push his opponent's buttons, and Dio has many many many such buttons to push.

[@literalgarbage8014]

I feel as though Dio would just outrun him

[@lightningmr_dt]

@@literalgarbage8014 almost outruns his vampires (you know the one) and somehow temporary out runs ultimate kars (while joshep had a head start compare a falcon to a human)

[@leonardocouto3109]

As Jonathan and Jotaro have shown, Dio is unbeatable... until he starts slipping.

[@Picmanreborn]

@@leonardocouto3109 Joseph the one mopping the floor to catch dio slipping

[@finnmchugh99]

Dio may be crafty... But that was at taking advantage of Jonathan's good nature. With Joseph tho, he knows about arrogant foes and Dio is prime target for Joseph's "Next you're gonna say...." which will throw him off his game and Joseph uses Hamon in a larger variety of ways than Jonathan. Heck I think even Caesar could beat Dio.

[@Chocokaylarobin]

"Could Young Josep-" Yes.

[@HabitualThinker]

Literally said this lmao

[@limptoast]

"Not cheat on his wife?" No

[@DylJax]

@@limptoast tbf, he wasn't young joseph at that point

[@Win090949]

@@DylJax and tbf, he could, just didn’t

[@gamespotlive3673]

^ This guy "Yes."

[@Unknown-hb3id]

Definitely. He's jacked like Jonathan but with way more of those sneaky strats. If he can beat Pillar Men in 1v1s, he can certainly beat Dio

[@roguexivan2909]

he is definitely jacked but no where near jonathan. just off of their mass alone we can say they since they are both the same height.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

@@roguexivan2909 Dude casually uses the sledgehammer one-handed like it's nothing. Also, don't be sleeping on Joseph -- he beat the Hell Climb Pillar before even learning how to properly Hamon breathe (climbing for like 60 hours).

[@roguexivan2909]

@@Unknown-hb3id again there is no doubt that he is of inhuman strength and endurance but IMO jonathon would win in a fist fight or just sheer strength.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

@@roguexivan2909 Sure, but this isn't a fist fight, and I said "jacked like Jonathan." It's just saying that they're comparable in physical strength.

[@jayghost4]

It always amazes me that every comment section nitpicks the dumbest shit and turns it into a debate

[@ykobi]

Agree with all your points, but I think you forgot about Joseph's tommygun tactic

[@ProfBrunoClemente]

Ah, Gun-Fu, the best martial arts there is!

[@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702]

Bullet Overdrive

[@segampongrhonbethel3659]

+Grenade net

[@k.k.a7844]

but dio can resist guns (don't r/wooosh me pls)

[@blaze6914]

@@k.k.a7844 r/wooosh

[@machina5]

Joseph was clowning on Pillarmen, he'd eat Part 1 Dio for breakfast lol

[@DrJustJohn]

A snack lol

[@Sinestro78]

fr, he one shots

[@DJWingoYT]

@@milibao we’re talking about part 1 not part 3

[@silburrrrdurrr]

def

[@topdownplayers]

bc straizo was actually better then part 1 dio as soon as he became a vampire bc he had hamon and had perfected dios flaws

[@toadsagejacob7896]

Tbh, I think Joseph wins because Part 1 Dio wouldn't expect a hamon user to fight dirty, and Joseph has fought a decent bit of characters that outclassed Dio. Kind of a bit of an unfair fight

[@Goatx2899]

Bro he would just use gun-fu

[@theendersmirk5851]

I feel like it'd depend near exclusively on if there was anything to use against Dio. On his home turf, on a random city street, in anywhere Joseph could find something stupid to attack Dio via, he'd probably be able to put up a pretty decent fight. Equally though, given enough people to use Dio too would gain an advantage. I'd say being in a non blank box environment benefits Joseph more, but there's room to debate the extent of that lead he'd get.

[@rishabhanand4973]

also, i think joseph's hamon was just straight up better than jonathan's, especially after his training.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@theendersmirk5851 It really doesn't depend on the terrain, because Joseph has a *lot* more training than Jonathan did, in addition to also inheriting a Hamon boost like Johathan. Beating AC/DC wasn't as lucky as his fights against Wham and Cars.

[@Goatx2899]

@@lonearachnid6591 eh?

[@Waddledeeonredyoshi]

I don't understand the debate here. Straitz perfected his vampirism and before all that was an experienced Hamon master on top of that, despite that Joseph still took care of him easily before he even underwent any training. I'm not sure what would prevent Joseph from pulling off something like the grenade trick on Dio when Straitz never was able to even notice it. And this is all not even going into the pillar men who supposedly have thousands of years worth of fighting experience.

[@dudneunshf7f]

Yeah straitz is there basically to show that joseph can handle and counterthe previous antagonist easily, and he defeated pillar mens who used vampires as food

[@BlandyBoiYT]

@@dudneunshf7f a lot of vampires are seemingly idiots, as shown when dio transformed a a local drunk into one. Dio, with his intelligence is a much better fighter in terms of raw stats, but joseph being the equivalent of a fire type against a grass type, along with his unpredictably unorthodox fighting style, would throw Dio for several loops, which Joseph would exploit the shit out of, like tripping and forcing Dio near a drain on a sidewalk while raining and Joseph channelling hamon through his foot and a small stream to either blow off Dio's leg or kill him entirely.

[@rokudo302]

Yea, you are right. Joseph easily wins. Pillar Men are much stronger than vampires and zombies and Joseph managed to defeat them. He should have no bigger problems with Dio

[@Malthizar]

Exactly. Straitz was LITERALLY put there to show Joseph could beat the previous main baddy. That'd be like taking the Krillin that fought the Saibamen and wondering if he can beat Radditz... only to then say he couldn't

[@TobyBNook]

he was ready for that fight though, that’s why he had the grenades. the video assumes equal footing, meaning joseph would only have the guaranteed bare bones of his arsenal instead of a gimmick he only used for one fight that said, i still think joseph wins purely because of how many traps he can set up with just clothes or anything nearby. you would have to put him on a literal field in the middle of nowhere (like what’s shown at the end of the video) for dio to take the fight, but honestly i think he could pull off things like the bulletproof hair shield with a handful of grass instead, so… yeah, i think he wins in that scenario too.

[@gilgameshdevourerofworldsg4101]

You forget Joseph's trusty wool hat that he used against ac/dc who's to say he doesn't have another? Hamon thread doesn't contain water vapor or moisture and as such a wool hat is dios ultimate counter. Or joseph could simply use a trick as cheap as say cactus overdrive or soda cap overdrive. Something to blind his enemy long enough to secure the win. He is known to carry a drink on him be it a bottle or flask at all times so he could easily use said flask or drink to his advantage.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Joseph would win by the power of Random Bs seriously this man outsmarted Kars who had an IQ of 400 and was able to fight Straits with ease

[@lionskurn6175]

Not to mention the shot glass he carries that he used to deflect space ripper stingy eyes

[@nighpaw4651]

@@lionskurn6175 I doubt he just carries a shot glass around with him, he probably just picked it up, but I definitely think he would bring a couple if he knew he was gonna be fighting a vampire

[@neil5694]

No matter what, he’ll find a way to win somehow. I mean, he pretty much solo’ed three gods (Stroheim did help a little with Kars though, but it wasn’t by very much.

[@pshekchik]

Joseph (young) could also beat Dio part 3. I never said that's for sure, but it's possible. Like doubletrapping or some sort of thing.

[@sneakyking]

Highballing Joseph's intellect...he literally clows an IQ 400 perfect being more than once.

[@donuttheturtle2.070]

he also beat their guard dog, who was smart enough to learn a language in seconds

[@ddl3718]

@@donuttheturtle2.070 yeah I don't think it's fair to say DIO is on equal footing in terms of intelligence. His whole thing is that he literally IS just that smart

[@nate51691]

Intelligence vs. Wisdom, basically. Not a good comparison. It's more like, the pillar men have exceptional book smarts, and learn faster, but Joseph is better at the application of what he knows. That doesn't make him smarter, it makes him wiser. And he only really outwits him the one time, which still worked in Kars's favor by giving him exactly what he needed to reach his ultimate form, so who actually outsmarted who, there? Joseph is smarter than most people, but not smarter than Kars -- especially not Ultimate Kars, which is when his IQ went up to 400. Gotta remember, it wasn't 400 until after that point. Realistically, probably the high 100's, maybe roughly 200. The mask with the stone is what kicked him from genius to unfathomable genius, partially in necessity to manage all of his other new adaptations.

[@Kronosfobi]

@@nate51691Joseph outwitted Kars thrice. Once during their initial encounter where they both fell down a chasm. Twice during their last battle. He saved Lisa Lisa, which wasnt supposed to happen. Then he tricked Kars into a volcano, which wasnt supposed to happen. Kars managed to survive both, yes, but it doesnt change the fact that he *was* outsmarted. He didnt plan to be thrown off of the building in front of a big ass spotlight with the mask. He already had it. He was toying with Joseph. Every opponent of Joseph minus Wamoo lost when they let their ego get in the way. Santana didnt think Joseph could withstand him, Asidisi thought Joseph couldnt outsmart him, Kars believed Joseph had already lost by the time they were fighting. Twice! Ultimate Kars could've killed Joseph in many different ways. Hell, he didnt even have to kill Joseph, he had won. He followed Joseph because he wanted to avenge his comrades, He taunted Joseph at the volcano because he wanted to avenge his wounded pride. Of course he couldnt have predicted the bullshit explosion but still, he lost because he let his ego get in the way. Dio is the definition of Ego. The man is ultimate narcissist. Joseph would, especially if this Dio doesnt have his stand yet, annihilate him.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@KronosfobiJoseph had hp has even part 2 Joseph that's why he was able to read opponent minds

[@geardog24]

If Joseph can defeat the creators of the Stone Mask, than the answer is obvious.

[@MOAI-ju2kf]

Joseph bouta turn Dio to a medium well steak with extra garlic

[@DBL-DBK738]

@@MOAI-ju2kfDIO: “GAAHHHHHH! NOT GARLIC! CURSE YOU, JOJOOOOOOOO!”

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Young Joseph could easily clap Dio. Straitzo is said to be in Dio's ball park (who he easily clapped) and the pillarman are magnitudes stronger then Straito.

[@vestlandpropaganda]

yeah and joseph only beat straizo because the equipment (such as the tommy gun, mirror glass cup, and 100 grenades which straizo still survived)

[@The-Beyonder]

@@vestlandpropaganda this Joseph could barely even use Hamon, get real. Joseph Post-training is curb stomping Dio. People forget who TF the Pillarmen are lmao... They consider ALL vampires nothing more than food and foot soldiers. Even Santana, the weakest Pillarmen who was even stated to be a guard dog/child by Kars would fold Dio relatively quickly since the only argument that can be made for an element of surprise is his freezing which still isn't going to do anything realistically and Joseph basically beat all the Pillarmen by himself. His Hamon is super overlooked, but he really was pretty OP with it if you take a close look

[@ARC--5973]

@@chseis3leep Less intelligent I can believe, but where does it say either of those things? It doesn't in the show (the dub at least)

[@ARC--5973]

@@chseis3leep Gotcha. I'd still put Dio below the Pillar men, maybe around Santana's level

[@sptflcrw8583]

@@chseis3leep he was equal in strength

[@dismaned6675]

Straits literally said he perfected all of dio’s vampire moves of course Jospeh could. Now say dio woke up a few years after part 2 the it’s even easier since Jospeh has Lisa Lisa to back em up

[@alihorda]

Straits could be just an idiot lol

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Straits never used the Ice abilities to block the Hamon of Joseph and stuff like that Dio was clearly much smarter and more skilled as a vampire

[@Green-3c34y65vrbu]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 sure, Straits never froze stuff, but that's because Joseph never made physical contact with him lol. you can't say Straits can't do something just because Joseph never gave the opportunity when Straits straight up saw Dio fight Jonathan, admired Dio, AND said out loud "i've mastered Dios' techniques." so, nah, Part 1 Dio ain't got shit. A post-Battle Tendency or even mid-Battle Tendency could easily beat Straits, and by extension, Dio.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@Green-3c34y65vrbu He did tho when he punched him with Hamon directly in his face and Yeah I think Joseph wrecks tho like don’t get me wrong

[@thebookwithmanycovers]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Bruh lets all admit Dio part 1 is weak compared to Joseph and Dio had time to master his abilities but Straizo had already mastered some of Dio's abilities the difference is Dio is to prideful and wont use cheap tricks unlike Straizo even Santana can beat Dio with easy dif

[@thepencil448]

"If the territory isn't special..." I think that's the thing that gives Joseph the edge. I don't think there's anything special about the places Joseph fights with or the tools Joseph uses to his advantage. Josephs biggest strength is the ability to take literally anything he can find to make the territory special, be it a mirror against Straits, the well against Santana, or even the cars in the Mariah fight. The only way I can see Dio winning is if they're both naked, on Final Destination, and Joseph hasn't eaten anything solid in a while. Also I'm not really sure if Dio's intellect really matches up to Joseph. Sure he's a genius academically but time and time again he overplays his power misses key details in the heat of battle. What is Part 1 Dio's greatest intellectual feat?

[@nihili4196]

Dio is surely smart and manipulative... But he's more charismatic, and can be easily distracted or let his emotions cloud his judgement. Even with his fight with Jotaro, he had quite a few opportuniteis to kill, but decided to either monologue out of vanity and ego, or to be too paranoid to deal final blow. If Jotaro can do it, so can Joseph. Dio loves to toy with his prey, when Joseph usually stalls for time untill his attack is assured to deal blow, and not second more. Joseph in his prime would be ideal opponent to deal with Dio.

[@Yesytsucks]

Basically Joseph knew that wisdom is a really important stat and maxed it out alongside his dexterity. And Dio thought that intelligence would make him smarter even tho it's a completely useless stat, so his best are int and cha.

[@InfernosReaper]

In sheer power and technique, Joseph > Jonathan. He had *more* training and fought much stronger opponents. That doesn't even get into the clever fighting and tactical relocations

[@JoeDNuts]

Joseph himself said that he wasnt prepared for a fight when he fought straizo, and yet the guy had a Tommy gun on him

[@butterman59]

The "naked on final destination and joseph hasnt eaten anything solid in a while" bit had me rolling lmao

[@TheOrginalWockySlush]

Intelligence: Part 1 Dio lost to Jonathan because he didn't realize he was standing near a fire. Not even comparable to Joseph in any way. Attack potency: Pillar men like santana are stated to be above vampires like Dio. Kars himself comparing santana as a guard dog or a child. Joseph cut kars' light blade in half while exhausted. Dio's ice manipulation matter of fact might just be overwhelmed due to the pillar men already having a resistance to hamon in the beginning of the series, and Joseph later gaining hamon strong enough to pierce right through them with a finger. Speed: Joseph kept up with kars. Pretty much no debate there. This fight is pretty much a wash the second you bring up joseph who trained for 3 weeks. Joseph being better at hamon than Jonathan. I mean for god sake, he stuck himself to a wall covered in oil with hamon for 60+ hours. He did this at the start of training with a mask that made it difficult to conduct hamon

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

I mean Dio is physically stronger but Hamon makes that advantage useless and I agree Joseph washes Part 1 Dio easily

[@theofficial8858]

Remember part 1 dio is 100% vampire so he basically has 100x the physical strength of Joseph, so if Joseph messes up dio one shots him probably.

[@TheOrginalWockySlush]

@@theofficial8858 Hamon buffs the user physically. If hes cutting through kars' light blade, dio's punches arent doing too much. And thats if we consider dio can tag him

[@theofficial8858]

By physically I meant without hamon, but yes you are correct.

[@somerandomdude7515]

@@theofficial8858 bruh that makes no sense. hamon is not a fucking weapon it is a ability that buffs overall physical capability.thats like saying Goku is only strong because of ki or Dio is only strong because of the mask.

[@floof8703]

Imagine if Joseph continued to master his hamon by part 3. He'd be pretty darn broken. Also he'd still look young.

[@Choppy_Z]

No he wouldn't look young, Straizo didn't, and he was a master who has trained hamon for his entire life, Lisa Lisa looked young at 50, not 70

[@shrekwazowski6540]

@@Choppy_Z straizo looked young

[@Choppy_Z]

@@shrekwazowski6540 only after using the mask, he used the mask in the first place just because he was jealous of Dio's eternal youth

[@U.S.G]

Hamon slowers aging not stop it

[@Choppy_Z]

@@U.S.G exactly

[@ph0to.]

Most def bro he's got every advantage Jonathan had plus more and he kinda beat the perfect lifeform

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

He only beated him because he tricked him and pulled an Uno reverse card on him, as it’s clearly shown Joseph was nothing to Kars when he tried to hit him with Hamon

[@ArcanaEric]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Tricking and pulling an Uno reverse card is a valid strategy though.

[@neil5694]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Still beat him though, just not in they way of physically beating his opponent down like Jotaro or Jonathan.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 yeah, he TRICKED THE DUDE WITH A 400 IQ AND WAS THE ULTIMATE LIFEFORM

[@thegamerfe8751]

@@ArcanaEric Dude literally won by luck, it was no strategy.

[@David-Dash-IBA]

Unless you put Joseph and Dio on an impossibly flat, unbreakable surface, Joseph would win. Even then, there is a solid chance that Joseph would somehow use the terrain against Dio.

[@rishabhanand4973]

i think even then, joseph wouldn't need to. I think in a completely neutral environment, it is _dio_ who would have no tools against joseph. Post training, joseph's hamon was strong enough to damage the pillar men, who are way more resistant to hamon than a vampire, even dio. so just a hamon imbued fist would probably wreck dio.

[@cloutman6033]

Final destination fox only

[@mortvald]

@@rishabhanand4973 dio was a problem because his ability to freeze the blood was a counter to hamon users, something even the pillar men lacked. the one thing i don't understand is how kars light mode was inexplicably nerfed.

[@Carnivex.]

​@@mortvaldJoseph has ranged options and even if he doesn't he outsmarted (even if its by luck it's still crazy) a 400 iq ultimate life form. Beat straitz before any training AT THE START OF PART 2 who is said to be stronger than dio. And after training beat pillarmen and still wouldve most likely won against at least ac dc who are CONFIRMED to be stronger than all Vampires. Joseph post training washes p1 dio

[@Seinsmelled]

@@Carnivex. when was straizo said to be stronger than dio? all i remember was straizo saying something about dio being too arrogant

[@noriakikakyoin6833]

Is no one going to point out that by the end of part 2 he was 1 shotting lesser vampires and severely injuring wham with every strike? Essentially meaning he could probably 2 shot dio Also I did not originally mention that Joseph already knows about And knows how to counter Dio's space ripper stingy eyes

[@HabitualThinker]

He was also able to break kars’ bone blade, WHILE exhausted, which would literally kill dio if dio touched that blade, Joseph post training is literally doing what part 3 dio did to kakyoin lmao

[@OozoraShuba]

@@HabitualThinker now imagine part 2 post training joseph with a “good stand" might be as good as part 3 jotaro lol

[@s.a.t.a.n6216]

@@OozoraShuba im pretty sure it would still be hermit purple. But i guarrantee hes no diffing dio

[@wasabi5338]

@@HabitualThinker yeah thats what differentiates his hamon to Jonathan, his was more lethal and precise while Jonathan (who only had a week's training and Will's passed on ripple) only augmented his physical strength.

[@rhysjonsmusic]

I think you are overhyping part 1 Dio. If Dio could be out maneuvered and beaten by Johnathan then surely Joseph (whom you said was physically comparable to johnathan but with an intellect capable of tricking ultimate lifeforms kars) would be able to pull out a W.

[@Sussywussy64]

And Joseph has better hamon then Jonathan

[@realamericannegro977]

I believe Johnathan is stronger than Joseph because he was at Vampire level strength.

[@danygamer6684]

@@realamericannegro977 true

[@danygamer6684]

@@Sussywussy64 nah

[@Sussywussy64]

@@danygamer6684 he littarly climbed a wall made out of oil and stuck himself to it for 60 hours with his fingertips

[@geboaebo]

The thing about JoJo power scaling is that it is all about circumstances. Most battles in the series are won by very clever and specific things. There's never a "this character is stronger so he wins" situation. So for every hypothetical matchup, there's infinite scenarios in which one or the other could win. It's just hard

[@gwilkes5325]

especially when it comes to joseph 💀

[@TomasBregman]

A good example of this is when Wamuuu fights Caeser it's stated that if Wamuu was replaced with Kars, Caeser would've won

[@SchneeflockeMonsoon]

I don’t think Joseph’s a great prepare-r. I think he’s good at figuring out how to use what he’s got on hand to take down his enemy, which we’ve seen DIO is exceptionally vulnerable to. And while both Joseph and Dio are geniuses, DIO’s more of a strategist while Joseph is a trickster. Neither play fair, but Joseph knows how to get his opponents to out themselves and defeat themselves to a degree. Dio is more about gathering allies or minions to his side to weaken his opponents and get information on them without risk to himself. I really don’t see any scenario where Dio can kill Joseph without Za Warado.

[@nihili4196]

Seeing how OP young Joseph and his thinking skills are, I wouldn't put past him to be able to go toe to toe even with za warudo Dio for a while. Dio lost to Jotaro because jotaro used dio's mind against him, exploiting both his insecurities and his pride for long enough to learn the timestop. Young Joseph was much better at it than Jotaro, and he would exploit it to much greater lengths. Za warudo is the only thing that makes Dio as scary as he is, and the only way I could see him killing Joseph. And even then it wouldn't be as easy, just because Dio is Dio.

[@totallyregulargiorno]

You got the wrong Dio pal

[@vanetessora152]

I think that Joseph would be smart enough to stall until the sun came out.

[@sungod9797]

He has countered space ripper stingy eyes on his first try, and his hamon attacks usually don’t even include physically touching the opponent, so the freezing trick doesn’t work either. Plus, his hamon even works on pillar men, who have a higher resistance to it due to their conductive skin. Basically, he would definitely defeat part 1 dio lol. He could use the thread he used against Esidisi, for example, or even the clacker volley thing, etc.

[@promethea6498]

to my understanding joseph's hamon is much stronger than what Jonathan's was because of his training with lisa lisa. That plus is pretty much equal physical ability and his unorthodox tactics, he could definitely find a way to take Dio out. Dio is a genius but mostly conventionally, he plays dirty but still in a very stand up/holier than thou way. Joseph does whatever to win regardless of how it makes him look. I def see how Dio wins more times than not, especially on paper. But the way Joseph is characterized and how he wins his fights, it's kinda really hard to quantify the ways he comes out on top because he consistently pulls Ws from thin air. I think there's reasons both of them win in different ways but I feel like Joseph just can't lose in the end, he has far too much luck on his side, which is completely unquantifiable and unfun for a versus

[@KraNisOG]

Joseph's Hamon isn't stronger than Jonathan's. Jonathan's Hamon is so potent that even a century after his death, his body is STILL having the effects of hamon that are weakening DIO. Meanwhile when Joseph dies, his blood is enough to counter the effects of Jonathan's hamon, effectively diluting the hamon in DIO.

[@seanao32]

@@KraNisOG Bruh, Joseph literally one shotted Kars bone blade, that was stated by Araki to be an ultimate anti Hamon technique that killed every Hamon user he fought, and Joseph still overpowered him despite being exhausted, and Pillarmen are naturally more resistant to Hamon than any Vampire like Dio.

[@wasabi5338]

Joseph's hamon is more lethal than Jonathan's (who only had a week's training and Deep Pass Overdrive) but Jonathan's hamon had more destructive power.

[@IndyMiraaga]

Joseph's whole gimmick as a teen was to wiggle his way out of impossible situations. If you get into the discussion of fate within Jojo, Dio is literally fated to lose every single time. [Spoiler territory!] The only way he even achieves his dream is through someone else, because Dio's own arrogance causes him to lose almost every single time. Every victory Dio ever achieves comes at a major cost. He beats Jonathan and takes his body but gets stuck in a coffin for decades. He beats Old Joseph and gets his blood but loses to Jotaro. So maybe he could beat Joseph, but he'd certainly die in the process.

[@chseis3leep]

That’s a great take but if we’re talking in a what if fight lore or plot has nothing to do with it, it is just the two characters put up against each other based off attributes that they may have to beat each other For instance that’s like saying if jotaro is fighting a dio with twr jotaro will automatically get those powers since they are basically the same stand. Maybe if it were a canonical fight in the series that could possibly happen but that would be very unlikely if we are going based off current characters but I agree with you partially I just believe this isn’t the scenario where that gimmick would take place.

[@GhettoJohnWick]

@@chseis3leep but, it's a major character flaw for Dio, so, it'd play heavily into the match. Dio always gets too cocky and loses, so, it's obviously gonna be how he loses since underestimating his opponent is how he always loses. Look at their fight from before Dio became a vamp. He underestimates Jonathan and he gets trashed for it.

[@chseis3leep]

@@GhettoJohnWick sure he could underestimate but what the comment stated is that he is going to automatically lose because of previous plot even if he does underestimate Joseph in certain circumstances he could still win. Don’t get me wrong Joseph could also win it’s not completely one sided but Joseph doesn’t have much alone that is completely unpredictable like how jotaro had ts and how Jonathan sacrificed himself surpassing his expectations, and yes Joseph could do something unexpected but he is limited depending on his environment.

[@ARC--5973]

That's... not how power scaling works

[@IndyMiraaga]

@@ARC--5973 Nothing can beat fate or destiny. Especially not in Jojo's. The fate of the Joestar and Brando bloodlines became intertwined the day Jonathan and Dio met. Dio's ambition and rejection of his humanity basically doomed him to always fail. Hell, it might just be the fate of vampires in Jojo period to always fail because not a single vampire in the series ever achieves full victory. If you want some basic-ass Death Battle fight then sure maybe Dio will win because he's just more powerful. If you ignore the lore and themes of Jojo entirely then yeah, Dio would probably win.

[@ThePhantom9495]

I believe you are overlooking just now much more skilled with the ripple Joseph is than Jonathan, and Dio's arrogance plays well into Joseph's ability to read people. Honestly people in the comments have made way better arguments in his favor and even with every point you made, I'm still not convinced he'd lose.

[@veyselveysel7458]

@DIO BRANDO Jonathan might be more gifted but Joseph is definitely better hamon user due to 2 reason He born with the hamon He trained longer and harder than Jonathan Joseph's hamon is stronger than Jonathan. Jonathan just has more Hamon potential

[@ARC--5973]

@DIO BRANDO Joseph has enough Hamon strength to beat pillar men. Ya know, the beings that EAT vampires. If you don't think that Joseph's strength isn't at LEAST on Jonathan's level, then you are insane

[@ARC--5973]

@DIO BRANDO Jonathan only trained for a few weeks as well, 2 specifically if we're going by the manga. That's less than Jospeh, so... And if we're talking about Zeppeli, he lost to Tarkus. Tarkus was weaker than Dio. Dio was weaker than the pillar men, and Jospeh beat the pillar men. Ta-da!

[@yassirbeniaz6645]

@@ARC--5973 Joseph is weaker than every single pillar men, he winned only bc plot armour and his luck lol

[@ARC--5973]

@@yassirbeniaz6645 "Joseph is weaker than all the Pillar men" -Stopped Esidsi's attack with a single finger -Rebuff Overdrive stopped a kick from Wammu -Shattered Kars' bone blade -Was able to stop Divine Sandstorm -Held back Santana's rib cage attack before his training The only fight he won by luck was against Ultimate Kars. Or should I say, the only fight he "winned" was against Ultimate Kars

[@shadowmist9093]

dio doesnt got anything against tommy gun overdrive

[@_kenz_o]

Oi I was gonna comment the same thing but u stole, rip ;-;

[@ayushmishra7172]

Can't argue with this

[@_kenz_o]

@@ayushmishra7172 ye this guy spat fax

[@ayushmishra7172]

@@_kenz_o yes

[@zopfee]

It's crazy how underpowered Joseph is (all parts, 2-4) compared to other characters, in terms of ability and strength in a lot of cases. Atleast in my opinion his strength is almost always mental and not physical, using what physical abilities he has to it's max combined with advanced tactics to take down opponents and that's why he's so strong. It's not to say that he isn't physically strong, his hamon and hermit purple are pretty strong, but in comparison to most other characters he'd easily lose if he didn't have as much battle experience and intelligence. Compared to Dio, who is both cunning and powerful, who has a lot of mental weakness compared to most characters despite what it may seem. Joseph has displayed always been able to mentally manipulate his opponent, and Dio when showing his true colors is easily manipulated by Jonathan and Jotaro when he loses his cool, which is ultimately how he loses any battle. Joseph is a Character that's basically designed to be exactly that, so I'd day he'd whoop Dio somehow.

[@seanao32]

ikr, he literally got threatened by an escalator while in part 2 was able to defend from attacks from Pillarmen that could shatter cliff sides based on scaling far above Vampires

[@Jay-st8jf]

Joseph seems to be stronger than Johnathon in terms of everything bust strength, and maybe raw willpower. Hes kind of the perfect Jojo and would defeat Dio better than Johnathon could

[@seanao32]

I'd argue he's even above him in strength Joseph was able to draw blood from Wammu physically, and his rebuff Overdrive stopped a kick from Wammu.

[@Seinsmelled]

@@seanao32 jonathan's steel chain feat and defeating tarkus is the highest feat of pure strength in the series

[@ryry_2720]

I feel like you're giving too much credit to Dio. Strazio literally said that the reason why he lost was because he was so enamored with himself that he got cocky. Plus, his clacker volley isn't his only weapon, he also has the string of his clothes that he used to body Esidisi and there is no way in hell that he doesn't have a least one way to decive Dio using the environment. If they were in a field he could use the grass, if they were in a castle of sorts he could use the glass, if they were on just an arena like with Esidisi then he could probably kick up the rocks. Also, considering the fact that Joseph is objectively a better hamon user than Jonathan and how Jonathan only lost to Dio because he wasn't ready, I honestly think that this is a beatdown for Joseph is anything.

[@PhinMura]

Joseph basically trolled 4 demigods to death, i think he'll get by

[@novasion327]

Remember guys, he defeated vampire straizo which could be similar in strength to dio, plus he outsmarted ya know, *the smartest species in existence that have lived for thousands of years*

[@GoblinAttacForce]

Joseph got lucky

[@trexzyY]

Joseph has like 2x(maybe 3x) the hamon of Jonathan. He literally had the hamon skills of Jonathan at like 11 and when he defeated Kars he probably became one of the strongest hamon users (also the fact that Caeser gave his hamon to him makes him even stronger. First of all Caeser went throught the same training as Joseph which made their hamon skills a lot better than Jonathan's and after that Caeser gave him his hamon) So in terms of power Joseph is stronger and smarter but Dio's ability to freeze is op too

[@Unha806]

Jonathan is better than joseph in hamon, he is said being 1 in one million, Jonathan received hamon from a great master who trains for so much years,and Jonathan has so much more hamon techniques

[@Seinsmelled]

@@Unha806 joseph had more training in hamon though, and better training because jonathan got like one week of training with only a single master, while joseph had well over double Jonathan's training, with special equipment designed for hamon training

[@Unha806]

@@Seinsmelled Jonathan received hamon from a master who trained years, Jonathan is said being one in million,Jonathan soled dio without hamon,Joseph is just best in strategies but Jonathan in overall has a best hamon

[@manguymanfellaman]

With Joseph you forgot one thing... The Power Of A Grenade.

[@Dr-Tyme]

Dio after beating the shit out of Joseph in timestop but as he unfreezes he realizes he has 69 grenades strapped to his balls with clackers: 💀

[@donuttheturtle2.070]

"A random field" A FIELD OF GRASS CONDUCTS HAMON YOU FOOL

[@isaiahfilms7588]

I think the most realistic situation for a dio vs Joseph fight is in a city. Cuz dio has plans to hunt or increase his army but Joseph sees and tries to stop him. Joseph would be at an advantage since he's more familiar with the terrain. Ain't no way Joseph AND dio are just chillin in an open field then see eachoher and are like, let's scrap.

[@Robeebert]

I think it depends on who goes looking for the fight. If Joseph waltzes up in Dio's crib, he's ad the disadvantage. Likewise, if Dio comes looking for Joseph, I feel like he'd be at the disadvantage. Dio has a home, and has had homes. Castles. Everywhere but your home is Joseph's home.

[@nihili4196]

Depends. If Joseph have a bit of time to wander around, he already has advantage. When put against Joseph, your biggest enemy is time. The more time you give him, the more probable it is that he'll win. And Dio isn't exactly known for dealing with his opponents in timely manner. If Dio feels like he's sure to win, he'll take his sweet time trying to intimidate his opponent as much as possible. In the meantime Joseph will act his part, while stalling to either came up with plan involving whatever is nearby, or is already preparing something. Or he'll gather as much information and run away to start in more favourable position next time. Joseph got hermit purple, because if he got any more powerfull stand, he would be too strong for his old mentor role. His intelect also got nerfed, but I guess time does that to you. Joseph in his prime was a beast to go up against.

[@siru47]

@@nihili4196 well intellect is obvious that it got lower since he grew ALOT older

[@nihili4196]

@@siru47 I would argue that in part 3 he was unreasonably less intelligent, but in part 4... Moving from part 3 it does make sense. In part 3 he was rather physically able for his age, and I would argue that his mind should follow with similar level of cognitive functions. Then and, outside of gag reactions, I have only two problems with his portrayal, and one of them wouldn't really change much.

[@unclesev9550]

Dont do my boy Joseph dirty: TOMMY GUN OVERDRIVE

[@TheBlackKakashi]

If he can beat the most op character by saying "next you'll say" then Dio getting bodied easily lmao

[@lionskurn6175]

Araki said that if the crusaders were to go back in time to battle tendency they would see hermit purple. Also, when Joseph holds up the red stone to magnify Kars’s attack, the narrator said he didn’t know what he was doing and was acting purely off of instinct. I believe that this was hermit purple acting on its own, and therefore I think it’s wrong to say that he’d be without a stand, I believe that he would be able to use hermit purple in a very crude way, (maybe something like he can just use it on his hands) but it’s still hermit purple nonetheless. The stand itself has been shown to be incredibly strong physically, so I think that Joseph could win with his incredible hamon skill paired with basic hermit purple attacks (like if it wrapped around his fist for extra punch damage)

[@sci6769]

I thought the Joestar bloodline gained Stands because DIO with Jonathan's body got a Stand. So it wouldn't make much sense that young Joseph in the past has a Stand. I could be wrong tho.

[@lionskurn6175]

@@sci6769 When Joseph is talking about stands, he says that he discovered his ability three years prior, emphasis on discover. But you wouldn’t be wrong for thinking that, as Jotaro, Holly and Josuke got stands because of DIO. But I’m pretty there are people who’ve had their stands since birth, or at least before DIO woke up, like Avdol and Joseph

[@sci6769]

@@lionskurn6175 Yea makes sense I guess

[@lionskurn6175]

@@sci6769 also in the 10-12 second mark of the Bloody Stream op you can see Hermit Purple, just a fun little Easter egg

[@sci6769]

@@lionskurn6175 I think that's just his scarf animated in a funky way and some random lines. Hermit Purple looks way different. I honestly even doubt that Araki even had the idea of Hermit Purple while making part 2.

[@hariman7727]

I think Joseph wins because he backs off, runs away, and finds a new advantage repeatedly against Dio. Dio, on the other hand is much more likely to get arrogant and leave himself open. Combine that with Joseph's tendency to be a dirty fighter and I think he wins against Dio, but ends up in the hospital for a month even with Hamon.

[@Sinestro78]

you’re right but Joseph doesn’t really need to do all that, Joseph basically one shots dio☠️

[@nuzlite]

Santana was stated stronger than Dio. Joseph can take hits from even stronger characters than Santana. Easy dub for joseph

[@odd-eyes6363]

Dio is also a genius but he's proud, Joseph is cocky but he would throw his pride in the dirt if it meant beating the enemy. Joseph takes the enemy's personality into consideration, not just the environment, Dio never does that because he thinks people are beneath him, that everyone else is a simpleton, Joseph included, and that's why he would lose his life against him.

[@theworldofmandom7227]

Joseph Joestar: Dio! You killed my father D:< Dio: I was in trapped in a cofin, tf you talking about?

[@arisvlogs5257]

You forgot about Joseph's special ability which is running away nobody can compete with that

[@_kenz_o]

“DIO IS STRONGER COZ HE VAM- Joseph goes: No me have big boi gun Edit: thanks for the highlight kaleb I appreciate your vids

[@vecinu3675]

Joseph: " *pulls flamethrower out of thin air* "

[@pacoramon9468]

I mean Joseph defeated the daddies of vampires.

[@silasnebulous4533]

"You're next line is... 'Hoh, you're approaching me?'." "Hoh, you're approaching me?" "NANI!?!?"

[@Huskydog1324]

Straizo was meant to much more powerful that Dio, and he defeated him in an episode or so, leading me to think that Joseph would win easily.

[@yautjita-yt6985]

We talking about the man that defeated god against a vampire

[@ishanj2021]

I'd say Joseph would lose ONLY in the case that he can't escape from Dio. As we know the things Joseph had, played a huge part in defeating his enemies, and Joseph knows that too. He knows he's more of a normal dude when compared to monsters like Pillar Men, or vampires. So he runs away, to prepare and then make a comeback like Batman. He wasn't kidding when he said that running away was his secret technique. In the situation that Joseph and Dio are to fight on a similar, fair situation like you put them in, Joseph is most likely to run away and only fight when he has the advantage. So only in situations that Joseph can't run away, would he most likely lose to Dio.

[@eevee7663]

Joseph with Star Platinum solos the entire Jojoverse. Change my mind.

[@nihili4196]

Vampire Dio in part 3 was terrifying because of his stand. Without it he's cunning and cruel, and definitely smart... But he's still weaker than Santana power wise. So I would put him about on same threat level as Santana because awaken Santana wasn't exactly malicious, he was just curious and acting in self defense. If Joseph wasn't killed by Dio by suprise, he would just learn about his attacks, read him, play into his emotional weaknesses and run away, only to meet later, more prepared. After all, Joseph's most powerfull technique is ability to run away.

[@NickiesBlack]

The entire point of the Straizo fight was to answer this question, and the answer was "Yes."

[@jenostheascended7818]

pre training Joseph is a better matchup for dio. The only real thing dio has on him is the freeze, however Joseph is way smarter and found ways to counter Straizo's scarf as well as lasers. maybe if they were in a flat environment with no interference dio might have a chance, but if there is any environment Joseph will find a way to counter the freeze. if we're talking post training Dio has no chance, The amount of hax and battle experience Wammu has far surpasses Dio and Joseph managed to pull that one out so it's really no contest. it would be more interesting to see whether part 2 Joseph with hermit purple could contend against part 3 Dio

[@Malthizar]

The only way Dio can win is if you strip away anything Joseph could use as an advantage while keeping anything Dio could use as an advantage

[@veyselveysel7458]

When you realize pillar men only exists in part 2 instead of Dio is just because Joseph would have destroy Dio if he awakened in part 2. Dio literally has no chance against Joseph when you look at Joseph as a character introduction

[@hamroni7114]

In JoJo Bizare Adventures r, young Joseph's character has the ability to "inject Hamon" into his tommy gun or bullets so if we use that tactic In his fight against Dio Dio wouldn't expect it because he never met a Harmon user that uses a gun. Also Joseph's pockets could easily hide his tommy gun knowing that his pockets are the size of duffel bags while still looking like there is no tommy gun in his pockets.

[@ProfBrunoClemente]

I disagree with how your interpretation of Joseph. He is not like Batman AT ALL. He does quite the opposite: he does NO PREP and then he manages to improvise something on the run. He wouldn't be prepared for Dio, but he would find clever ways to misdirect Dio's attention regardless of scenario. That's what I think, anyway. But a very fun video, thank you!

[@nihili4196]

Well, Joseph is like Batman in a sense that he is technically ready for a lot of situations. He is familiar with many tactics and techniques, and overall possess quite a lot of useful informations, as well as is incredibly resorceful. He's also not above using mindgames on his opponents, exploiting their weaknesses and insecurities. And Dio is walking insecurity. But unlike Batman, he almost always indeed improvise. He judges his situation on the run and act so he'll be in the most favourable position. If that's impossible, he'll stall and run away. Only very rarely he's coming in with a plan, and even then it's just a vague mishmash of contingency planes and loose strategy, just so he can adapt when inevitably everything goes array. Joseph is similar to batman in a same way that Johnatan is similar to Superman. There are some similarities, and if you squint hard, you can somewhat see it, but it's huge generalization of both characters

[@ProfBrunoClemente]

@@nihili4196 they do have some similarities. They are, after all, smart guys. But their approach is usually quite different. We only saw Joseph coming prepared against Straizo and even then, when it wasn't successful, he won the battle with improvisation. So, I agree with you, there are similarities, although also agreeing that it's a generalization of their characters and methods.

[@TombrandyTombrandydaIII-lk6rr]

We all know Joseph gonna pull of the secret technique without fail.

[@staticsoul69]

I think like you said it depends on the environment and prep, but assuming they go into a field and BOTH have prep... I think Joseph wins, but if both go in blind then yeah, Dio wins

[@TheManWhoErasedHisNane]

Even then Joseph would adapt in some way

[@Sinestro78]

I disagree, Joseph wins in every category, he can use his environment and intelligence to trick dio and even so Joseph one shots dio, he one shotted vampires and broke Kars blade while exhausted

[@natalierafferty4765]

If Joseph was able to infuse the Tommy gun bullets with hamon he would have solved all of part 2’s problems in a week

[@frankorefice4115]

How about this: Can Giorno beat Dio? I've always wondered this since Giorno's stand uses "Life Energy" which is pretty similar to Hamon. I'd imagine if an undead/vampire were hit by Golden Experience they would die due to the life energy.

[@meldrickedwards1892]

1:04 "Genius" is a bit much in my opinion. But overall, I agree. He's an incredibly strategic/tactical person. 1:15 Sure.

[@marche800]

I don't think there is a version of Joseph that exists where he doesn't know all about Dio. Like he already knew about Vampires, the masks and their weakness to Hamon long before he encountered Straizo, so if eel like Erina and Speedwagon must've told him about Jonathan and Dio's battle. Joseph at the beginning of the part has all the knowledge necessary to prep for Dio. He based his battle strategy he used on Straizo on what he heard about Dio. Also Joseph's main tactic is exploiting character flaws in his opponents to manipulate their behavior. He played Wamuu multiple times because he correctly identified him as being prideful and sides that to his advantage. Dio's egotism, especially in part 1, is his biggest weakness and makes him an easy target to Joseph's antics. And the worst part is that Joseph already knows what Dio is like before they would ever even meet.

[@malimations]

He’s literally the new update of Jonathan joestar

[@calsalitra4689]

I think this is interesting to think about. It's easy to go the A > B > C route and say that A > B and B > C which means that A > C, but it isn't that simple. The Pillar Men are terrifyingly strong against Vampires, but in a fight against Hamon users they don't have a significant advantage compared to Vampires. They resist Hamon, but a proficient enough Hamon user will still cut through them like butter. They may have a genius intellect, but having 400 IQ doesn't matter much in a fight. With enough Hamon mastery and battle smarts, fighting a Pillar Man isn't that much different to fighting a Vampire like Dio. What remains are the specific abilities and preferences of whoever's fighting. And honestly? I don't think Dio or Joseph have an inherent edge over the other in a 1v1. Both sides are geniuses, both sides can kill the other off of a single mistake, and both sides are willing to fight dirty. The specific ways Joseph MIGHT defeat Dio all come down to their surroundings, and the same is true in reverse. As far as specifics go, I see them having one major problem when fighting each other. Joseph will have issues with Dio's pragmatism. Dio almost always avoids fights he thinks he might lose, usually opting to retreat and stack the deck in his favor. Even in part 1 when his ego was at an all-time high, he still preferred to build an advantage whenever possible. Joseph might usually like fighting arrogant meatheads, but Dio is too cautious to fall for a taunt, despite his ego. Joseph will never fight Dio in a fair 1v1, which hurts him since "fair" 1v1's are Joseph's forte. Dio on the other hand, will have issues with Josephs improvisation. Dio was never particularly good at improvising, but made up for it with preparation. This makes him fairly predictable and narrowminded. If Joseph bullshits a way out of Dio's shenanigans, he has a solid chance at killing him outside of his advantage. Considering how overconfident Dio can get once he stacks the deck, Joseph has a real chance at catching him. TL;DR They both have a pretty solid chance.

[@arfanik9827]

Even in a grass field type of environment. I see Joseph setting the grass on fire with his Hamon wool, then pulling out his scarf and use it as a paraglider to fly Zelda-style using the heat it generates to get the high ground on Dio. Some shit like that is totally believable in the world of JoJo

[@chronic-joker]

joseph would simply outpower and outdo dio on all levels even without tricks, after his training he was able to piece azdc's skin, while that might not sound impressive it meant his Hamon was so potent it was able to break through the normally unconducive skin meaning Dio as a normal vampire would die on contact without a chance to freeze. in part 3 dio was too scared to attack joseph's Hamon even in stopped time part 1 dio would be a joke to joseph and would only have running away as an option.

[@j_ravioli6154]

Joseph has "random bs go" overdrive

[@spooky5350]

It also depends on what era dio we're refering to, because if DIO just got Jonathan's body, he would be weakened. If we waited until Dio got used to Jonathan's body, then he would've gotten the stand arrow and both characters would have stands. But we could also be refering to DIO right before he got his head cut off, in which case he's like, peak vampire but no stand powa. Joseph beat the kings of vampirism, normal vampires are no sweat for him. Part 2 was the beginning of power creep, and thats why we switched away from hamon, Araki didn't want Dragon Ball levels of power creep. So, to keep the series interesting, Joseph's opponents were much much stronger than Jonathan's. But if we're talking young Joseph vs No stand Vampire DIO, Joseph wins all day

[@jamesw2831]

Fair breakdown of Prime Joseph vs Dio. The edge easily goes to Dio, but Joseph has a variety of win condition given a few factors. Would be interesting to see though.

[@martin-ciolfi]

I think, leaving the joke "it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum", Joseph is THE character with the true power of the plot. No matter what, he will always know what to do and when to do it. Despite being clownsy and all, he is truly one of the smartest characater in all mangas

[@blackpurple9163]

Joseph: your next line will be "muda muda muda muda....." Dio: Hooo, Joseph: ohh mai godddo

[@poketdoom]

Joesph could beat p3 Dio… if he hsd that luck plot armor he had in p2

[@NotSaulGoodmann]

I just realised something joseph beat what Jonathan had to beat throughout his whole part with no hamon training and then he beats a stronger version of it with a piece of string

[@GhettoJohnWick]

Actually, Araki stated that Joseph's ability to predict people's actions the way he does is an extension of hermit purple. He even said that if a stand user looked at him, they'd see Joseph, and even Jonathan, wrapped in hermit purple vines.

[@kabukimanindahouse]

lol most of what you just stated... is just made up. he never mentioned, that the predicting part is from hermit purple and he never mentioned jonathan. he only said, that if the crusaders would travel back in time, they would see hermit purple wrapped around him. nothing else.

[@GhettoJohnWick]

@@kabukimanindahouse you're just restating what I said with less detail. Even though there's some differences, you can see that Jonathan and Joseph have very similar combat intelligence. The only real difference is how they used it due to the difference in personality. Hamon has the side effect of granting the user Hermit Purple or do you have some other explanation for both of them having the same stand!? The only thing that links them is Hamon usage. You can't even say it's genetic because then, they'd all have Hermit Purple or something like it.

[@kabukimanindahouse]

tl;dr

[@Not_black_imposter]

Literally coughing baby vs thermonuclear bomb

[@bragnir]

Young Joseph wins, hands down. Part 1 Dio gets outscaled HARD in Part 2- and this is, without counting ultimate Kars. The Pillar Men's minions, are Vampires with the same abilities as Dio. Pre-training Joseph can beat those with smarts- and post-training Joseph gets to the point where he can fold vampires no problem, and beats Pillar Men via ingenuity. This is the problem Dio's facing, here: 1.- Hamon IS a direct counter to Vampires. Not one that the vampire can't fight back against- as shown by his freezing attack, but a counter nonetheless. 2.- Dio depended on his underhanded tactics to triumph versus Jonathan, another Hamon user... And still lost the fight itself- to the point that we got Headless Dio and part 3 happened. 3.- Joseph (at the point you're taking him) is a way better experienced and trained Hamon user. To the point where he scales not only over Jonathan, but over Lisa Lisa, too. 4.- Joseph's underhandedness is actually above and beyond Dio's. To be clear: Dio uses his underhanded tactics to f- around with people who are under him or roughly around him, power-wise, and still ends up getting clapped. Joseph, on the other hand, uses his tactics to defeat opponents well above him. The only way I can see Dio sneaking a victory, is if he somehow got Joseph emotional by killing Cesar or Lisa Lisa first, only to jump him while he's in turmoil... Problem is- killing those two? That takes a Pillar Man. Dio's getting clapped by either of them, too.

[@kanewilson8624]

There’s also the fact that Hamon Techniques had advanced significantly after Johnathan dies, specifically using objects to channel Hamon into (clackers and bubbles for example). Also Dio's ice powers come from flash freezing the liquids in his opponent's body, and that requires him to grab and HOLD his opponent. Plus Dio's “Stingy Ripper Eyes” aren’t lasers, they are extremely high pressure ferrofluid jets that have the power to not only reach the cloud layer, but open it up (you are looking at power it is in the the kilotons of TNT)

[@GGMike09]

joseph is like Jackie Chan, Everything around him can be a weapon

[@kiryukazuma7960]

Young Joseph already had subconscious control over hermit purple at part 2 plus his physical strength is higher so o say he can beat it but its not going to be a walk in the park with part 3 DIO

[@theultimatetrashman887]

To be honest joseph can even use a green plains field to his advantage and make hamon projectiles out of grass. Nobody would of thought of that, yet he would probably try it.

[@kaijuge6934]

Here's the thing with Joseph vs Esidisi and Wamuu: they were IMMUNE to normal Hamon because their skin blocked it. Then Joseph was able to Hamon them anyway. Joseph's Hamon against Dio would likely kill him a LOT faster than Jonathan's Hamon. Also, Joseph has tools for long ranged attack other than the clacker volley: his clothing. We know he takes that into account from using his headband against Wamuu, and given all he's done with Hamon, I think he could tear up his shirt, harden and flatten the pieces, and use them as Hamon-charged shurikens. Also, he can dodge eye lasers, so at a distance, he has the advantage. Now we look at close range. He has to counter Dio's freeze attack. The problem is that Dio has to touch him for this. Dio touching Joseph is game over because of his Hamon, which is superior to Jonathan's. But let's say that's not enough. An interesting point to make is that Joseph is smarter than me. If I can come up with a strong strategy, Joseph would definitely consider that strategy and possibly have a better one. That said, once he's removed his shirt, he has another item of clothing to use: shoes. We know he can use Hamon with his feet at a very high level, so the move to use is kicking. He kicks Dio, Dio freezes, he uses finely controlled Hamon to get his foot out of the shoe immediately (since it's freezing, it's almost certainly sticking to Dio, so he can take his foot out before the ice penetrates the shoe), and Dio burns from Hamon that he packed into his shoe. So then he does the same thing with his other foot, and then he uses his socks-and Dio's done. No way can Dio take four solid Hamon hits from the dude who wrecked the Pillar Men. But what if Dio comes up with a strategy? Well, he won't be at Joseph's level. Dio relies on his powers, while Joseph is all about strategy. Dio will think he's outclassing Joseph until he realizes the powers he counted on were strategized around, at which point it's too late. However, part 3 Dio stomps Part 2 Joseph. The World is too much.

[@petelee2477]

2:01 he's been around long enough to learn directly from sun tzu himself.

[@star.boy.937]

I've always asked this question so I'm glad you made this video

[@someskills785]

Gotta love the captions being a Kaleb 2.0

[@Scornfull]

Joseph's greatest asset is his sheer luck

[@crimsunomad]

Ah yes a nice video to watch during my break at work

[@limbarticus]

Fuckin love the abundance of Twilight Princess music this video lmao

[@heimukisaraba9316]

Hah! You may have outsmarted me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting. The most outsmarting line of joeseph joestar prime vs dio (the world) prime

[@zaconmacon565]

I find it funny that the comments show that most people didn't even watch the video and just went straight to commenting

[@Depressoclinical]

this dude sent an immortal ultimate organism to space AND lived to tell the tale he could take a blonde vampire

[@Dragonfire-ir5ln]

You forgot the most important move, the ULTIMATE JOSTAR TECHNIQUE... RUN AWAY!!!

[@TheCreepyLantern]

as fun as Jojo Vs matches are, equal footing isn't really how jojo fights work at all. like Part 3 the heroes flat out mention how unusual it is for their enemy to openly come at them without trickery after all

[@whambamduel]

I do feel like it's sort of comparable to Joseph vs Eisidisi, where he had practically no preparation to fight a pillar man - all he had was his clackers, and those still didn't do much, but he still won that battle. The difference is that Dio's vampiric powers may not technically be as "strong" as a Pillar Man's, but they are much more variable - with the freezing power, the stingy-eyes, and given the fact that joseph had to use his setting of the spiky ground to weave a web with his scarf to defeat Eisidisi, I think Dio would narrowly win, as it's unlikely that Joseph would be fighting in a similar setting. I think if they both fought in a completely neutral setting, call it a sort of "Smash bros final destination," any setting where neither of them are entirely familiar with their surroundings right off the bat, I think Dio wins.

[@fishbtw5908]

Joseph's examinations on anyone will win, he will talk and examine down to sub atomic level until they fall asleep easy

[@kekkomoshenji7966]

I could see Joseph stalling long enough for Dio to be exposed to the sun and just have a natural vampire death or that Joseph just dismantles Dio's base from afar during the morning.

[@mrlowkey4187]

Dio isn’t stupid.