-kin ending to mean “too, also, as well” + learning the word “myös”

[@sarathwickramanayake663]

You are an excelent Teacher .Your pronunciation is very clear , and as use slow pronunciation we can easily get it. And also the method is Intersting one . Thanks a lot

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Thank you so much :)

[@shannonmikko9865]

13:10 The only time I can think of someone saying ‘also also’ in English is when listing things to someone (and it’s extremely informal) Say you are catching up with a friend and you say “I think I want to go to Paris. It’s so romantic. And I’m learning French. Also it’s a beautiful city. Also also, the history there is incredible.”

[@julleri783]

7:45 just little something that caught my ear as a Finnish person. It's not always the best or "most natural" sounding to put "myös" in the same place where "-kin" would be in a sentence. For example in this sentence, to me it sounds more natural to put "myös" before Sidney. "Myös Sidney haluaa ruokaa" Of course I understand it is probably easier to teach and understand when they are in the same place😄 Also, like Kat said about being careful using "-kin", exact same sentence can sometimes really be interpretated in two different ways. For example "Sidney haluaa myös ruokaa" Can either mean "Also SIDNEY wants food" (=Sidney in addition to others who want food) or "Sidney wants also FOOD" (=food in addition to other things Sidney wants) Things like this can probably just be figured out be the context and it really is just about putting more emphasis and stress on different words to change the meaning. Sorry if this doesn't make any sense to anyone else😂 I don't wanna confuse you guys more

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Yes very true! It makes perfect sense to me at least xD Definitely this video could have been much longer, but wanted to keep things semi-succinct and easy to understand for a beginner haha!

[@mixmotion603]

Thank you for breaking all of this down so thoroughly, it’s so well explained with the examples 👌🏻

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Glad it was helpful, I had so many outtakes on this one xD

[@miladahmed5567]

Minä raksatan sinuakin ,, thank you so much you make it more easy for us❤

[@icysonja]

Hello Kat! Yhank you so much for these lessons. I am Finnish but have always lived in France. I know Finnish from what I heard when I was little and going to Finland for the holidays. Some sentence I say not even knowing why or how, but your explanations now help me lots ! Thank you !!

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Wow that's great to hear, I'm so happy! :) Kiitos paljon!

[@OOBEJuanKenobi]

I live in San Diego (California), and I recently saw on the news about Finland being the happiest country. I think being gentle and friendly on the inside, not just on the outside, makes all the difference. We are all spiritual beings reading minds. It’s so awesome! I wish people would focus on it more out in the open and end violence on the planet immediately! I dig your channel. Justin

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Hi Justin! Yes we actually have that title for the 5th year in a row! I like your message and agree it's so horrible about all the violence going on :(

[@OOBEJuanKenobi]

@@KatChatsFinnish (I wrote this piece in order to end war and human violence.)

[@OOBEJuanKenobi]

@@KatChatsFinnish [ Meditation leads to awareness of telepathy, and awareness of telepathy leads to meditation. ] Honesty socially is more important than DOING to impress others. It’s not what we DO to build social value that matters. It’s the respect we are willing to give, as well as the authenticity and sincerity we have within our personalities. The ideas we choose to participate in matter most: they are either friendly or cruel socially. Material wealth, body size, facial features, or DOING will never create authority by default, which is the ability to pass judgments socially the most. Aristocratic men are hypocritical, cowardly, and jealous. Anger and zero accountability are not replacements for honesty and empathy. No one has control over ideas socially. Authoritarianism is a shallow head game: the refusal to share honesty (friendship) socially. Men with negative intentions will show complete bias against ideas supporting emotional freedom, free thinking, and level states of being. Spiritual development, the focus away from the material and towards psychology ONLY (attraction), is promoted as “not important” by conformist men with abusive, fearful, and pragmatic personalities. Spiritual ideas immediately decentralize power, elevate mood, reduce manipulation, and eliminate leadership. Spirituality places much more emphasis on social inclusion, honesty, and collective consciousness. Authoritarians weaponize the material or development in it and use both as reasons to criticize and remain unfriendly (dishonest). Dishonesty is the only way the idea of power may exist. When friendship is seen as more important than power, material development is subservient to mood. When the material is used to boost self worth and reduce others socially, mood is subordinate to power. Joyful ideas supporting free thinking (telepathy, cooperation, and honesty) encourage growth of the human persona, are anti-manipulative, and promote emotional harmony. Men focusing on the immaterial (personality) and on honesty (friendship) have more evolved minds compared to authoritarians consumed with leadership (power). In order to seek status, alphas intentionally remain closed-minded (materialistic), manipulative (controlling), and antagonistic (blame), while also forming intense judgments (jealousy) about more emotionally developed men. Men with mature minds are authentic with others, focus on humor, and shun the idea of emotional leverage. This makes them an unintentional threat socially to serious and conceited men with elitist personalities focused on dominance. Leadership is not warm, nor is it real. It is used in practice to reduce pride in others and to artificially boost feelings of self worth in an individual focused on social image only. Men focusing on telepathy are contradictory socially to alphas promoting leadership. Men with inherent worth (love for others) are offensive to men trying to prove worth (lack of belief in self) with material development. All men know consciousness (Source) and possess a conscience. Possessing a conscience is knowing right from wrong, and refusing to lie about awareness. No man is exempt from understanding Source (love) within, and all of us know we are mentally connected. The idea of comparing human beings to unaware animals is cunning and manipulative. Alphas rely on shared lying socially about awareness in place of being honest (friendly). Character development is ignored with this psychology. Our feelings (thoughts and beliefs) are transmitted and shared vibrationally and mentally. In order to seek power, which is the intention to emotionally reduce others socially, men must feign unawareness of a conscience. Cruel ideas are deliberately participated in and broadcast mentally promoting social dominance. The willful focus on a friendly collective consciousness is a contrarian idea to human animals playing dumb. Being EQUAL TO in the mind socially IS secure, and the ONLY true expression of emotional security that exists. Authoritarians refuse to focus away from being unfair human animals, and remain consumed with social inequality. This forces an unrelaxed, emotionally tense environment driven by melodrama and contempt for others. Alphas are mentally unstable, have manipulative personalities, and possess low feelings of self worth resulting from the intense focus on anger (authority), apathy (indifference), and advantages (dominance). Ideas rooted in mental dominance (alpha psychology) will never promote honesty (friendship). Alphas are homophobic, and are especially critical of friendly men that are emotionally developed. Men with empathy have already worked through insecurities and judgments to focus on telepathy. Prideful men lying about insecurities within use blame and criticisms to seek control over feelings socially in order to project an image of being stronger. This creates artificial versions of emotional security and more value socially enforced with paranoia and anger. Resorting to vibrational attacks for the purpose of self promotion by reducing worth in others mentally leads to violence. Dominance over feelings is impossible, as we all share thinking. Men with emotional IQ are authentic socially and care about calm feelings more. We are telepathic. There is no choice but to be level with others mentally, and to focus on the ultimate truth of what reality is (connection with Source). Evolved men refuse to criticize other people unprovoked or manipulate the truth. Alphas will always share critical thoughts about other people. Men with emotional depth focus on honesty socially more than alphas, creating non-violence. The idea of a social hierarchy (human authority) is degrading and humiliating. It promotes closed-mindedness, fear, and the social inclusion of violence. Thoughtful men focusing on telepathy, and away from conformity, are judged relentlessly for having elevated emotions by alphas refusing to evolve. Lessor minds intentionally share cruel beliefs together promoting the social exclusion of men with empathy socializing positive. These men are mental only in focus, never play head games, and are level in the mind with all. Alphas seek emotional support and validation from each other socially, since the ideas they participate in are rooted in dishonor and physical aggression. Alphas judge honest (friendly) men the most, as they focus away from arrogance entirely, and expect friendship to be returned socially. Passing excessive, unprovoked judgments (authoritarianism) on a better psychology, wavelength, and state of being is jealousy. These criticisms always relate to social harmony and non-violence. Alphas rely on power of numbers to manipulate the truth and to keep primal ideas popular that are intentionally threatening towards men that have already focused away from machismo (lying and fear), and towards telepathy, honesty, and Source. Authoritarians will always promote vibrational attacks against men that have already grown past them in thinking, resulting in petty head games socially. Intelligence is always associated with emotional IQ, and emotional IQ has a direct correlation to the mental focus on social equality. Social equality can only result from honesty (friendship) within the mind. The reason men chose to be honest is because they are aware telepathy is real. It looks stupid to lie about it. Alphas primarily focus on dominance in the mind and social image, and focus entirely away from telepathy within. This reduces their emotional IQ socially. Because of this, alphas will always feel inferior to more honest (friendly) men. Alphas must always focus on acting skills to socialize, since the inner persona is focused only on criticisms, violence, and dishonesty. This creates a shallow personality with a dumb vibe. Forceful thinking men will always share jealousy with men sharing respect with more emotional depth. Only men with emotional IQ can form real personas vibrationally that are not shallow. It is only when the inner mind matches the outer persona that a human being can be likable socially. Shallow men are associated with lying and are not respected when it comes to intelligence, creating situations where they are avoided socially. This angers the minds of men possessing a lower psychology, which often creates unprovoked violent reactions. When thinking is focused on honesty, feelings radiate soft. When thinking is focused on lying, feelings radiate threatening. Machismo and compassion are polar opposites. Machismo will never allow for healing to occur, while compassion is the promotion of both healing and emotional growth. Men focused on compassion will always outsmart less mature men with arrogance sharing no respect. Men will either allow healing (level thinking) to occur socially, or they will attempt to take away pride from others to artificially boost feelings of self worth. Alphas will always attempt to seek an image of more value socially by cheating (violence, greed, or leadership). Judgements from personalities with machismo usually have little substance. Only judgments relating to character issues (dishonesty), violence, or an excessively critical mind have real substance. Passing judgments on men for being honest (friendly) is shallow, arrogant, and completely against the development of our collective consciousness socially. Judgments from alphas are hypocritical, cruel, and reside in dishonor. Shallow judgments from authoritarians will always lead to drama, social inequality, and violence. Alphas focus intensely on cutting other men down unfairly in order to promote a better social image, calling it competitive. It’s time for human beings to let go of classism (psychic warfare) for good. It is jealousy. Secure men are level in the mind and easy to get along with. Alphas resort to conniving and childish head games. Men that focus non-violent and refuse to lie evolve. [ End drama. ] kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnnGeoKtnLR7p80

[@margaretlouko4210]

Best teacher ever. Thank you!

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Thank you so much 🥺

[@tobiasv.b.8761]

Mäki tykkään musiikista= I like music as well Mäki tykkää musiikista=The hill likes music No niin....

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Hahahahha ⛰️🎵

[@deencee8693]

Very helpful to my studies 👏🙏Kiitos paljon for sharing your knowledge 🙏

[@presidentticode6340]

kiitos 🥰🥰🥰 شكرا

[@DoxxTheMathGeek]

Ohhh I love it, thank you so so much!

[@DoxxTheMathGeek]

Wait in Finnish you say *it is raining snow*? That's cool! X3

[@slobodanvukasinovic2391]

Hvala puno. Pozdrav, Slobodan

[@kundogb]

Such detail!, doing a great job here! :D

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Glad you think so! Kiitos!

[@candicecornelius1418]

Kiitos, Kat. Minäkin nauttia tämä video.

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Kiva kuulla, kiitos todella paljon! :)

[@sdarar703]

Kiitos paljon!

[@yolandetala]

Kiitos tytär 🎉

[@serethsereth4143]

Your videos help me out so much! Couldn't be more grateful for them!

[@KatChatsFinnish]

I'm really happy about that! Kiitos!

[@gwenragasa2012]

moi! can you make a video simple discussion on Impersonal singular/plural sentences? kiitos!

[@dodjianicettovihome3409]

First Comment, I love your videos, it is easy to learn with you 🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮

[@KatChatsFinnish]

That's so wonderful to hear, kiitos paljon kommentistasi :)

[@rhombicube]

everyone a gem :)

[@ericbooth7615]

Do you have a video "most common differences between spoken vs written Finnish"? Maybe just go thru a list of common words and what the changes are. How the changes look across pronouns, verbs, etc. Something to help us begin seeing the patterns in what those changes look like?

[@heyymari_]

This is helpful! Gotta practice this more.

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Really happy to hear that! You got this!! :D

[@josejimenaz]

i live in sunny california we really dont value much education but we do value fun with word games and word math games but anyways i think life is good when u live life on your on terms

[@pc2753]

We have that as a prefix in British English to indicate emphasis. Examples being 'kin right mate', 'kin true and 'kin 'ell.

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Oh really, I actually haven't heard about that!

[@pc2753]

@@KatChatsFinnish I think you know I make a joke ;^) Thank you for making the nightmare of learning Finnish more bearable.

[@bigscarysteve]

Good video! One thing I think you should have added though, is to make clear that "-kin" is not a suffix, but rather, it is an independent word known as an enclitic, which means that it must lean phonologically on the preceding word. There are other enclitics in Finnish, as well.

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Thanks! Yes I read from a paper that it was called a "clitic" but as I couldn't find much information about it especially in English I wasn't sure it was the correct translation so didn't want to accidentally give wrong info! But thank you for letting me know so next time I can add it as well :)

[@bigscarysteve]

@@KatChatsFinnish Yes, there are two kinds of clitics: proclitics and enclitics. Proclitics lean on the following word--Finnish doesn't have those. One interesting feature of Finnish enclitics is that they must agree in vowel harmony with the word they're leaning on, which may make it seem as though they're suffixes (but they're not!), since a compound word in Finnish can have two different vowel harmonies going on in the two different parts of the word.

[@ricardoaceves6928]

Paljon kiitos! Kat

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Kiitos todella paljon sinullekin! :)

[@ricardoaceves6928]

@@KatChatsFinnish your video came out just before my class, nice timing

[@jcpana060959]

Thanks!

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Kiitos taas todella paljon 🥰

[@susancassan6870]

Kiitos paljon! Hyvä oppitunti. Minäkin haluan koiraa kuin Sidney.😀

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Kiitos hahah kiva kun tykkäät Sidneystä :D

[@jjjj-db9de]

Kiitos☺️

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Kiitos paljon 😁

[@janinecapacio8410]

Hello may I ask what is the meaning of inflectional stem?

[@jcpana060959]

Good lesson. Thank you! Is kin a type of case?

[@KatChatsFinnish]

It's a type of enclitic (so not a case) which means that it must lean phonologically on the preceding word

[@harvoin]

Otan sinut vastaan kutsustasi harjoittteluun tälläiselle 'enclitic particle'. 8.56: ulkona voi joskus olla kylmäkin kesällä: ulkona voi jotensakin/jokseenkin kylmä kesällä. 11.20: minäkin söin tänään jäätelöä=I wasn't the only one to eat ice-cream today; minä söin tänään jäätelöäkin=I ate ice-cream today as well as other things; minä söin tänäänkin jäätelöä=I ate ice-cream today as well as on other days. jäätelö=jätski (puhukieli)

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Hmm nyt tekee mieli jääteloä :)

[@joojoojeejee6058]

I'm sure this has been said before, but sä/mä are regional pronouns and some parts of Finland have different dialects with different pronouns, namely mie/sie or miä/siä. And some parts of Finland just use the standard versions minä/sinä. Mä/sä are very common though.

[@flong9033]

Never heard about it before Kiitos

[@猫会飞]

Could "Minäkin rakastan sinua" also be interpreted as "I (in addition to many other people who love you), also love you"? Mäki rakastan sua ;)

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Hmm yes I think it could! :) Kiitos xD

[@bakaryjobarteh198]

Am just seeing this, can someone please help me; will it be correct to say Sekin?

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Yeah you can use that

[@farouq7107]

That is interesting. A quick question, I know that you said “-kin” and “myös” are interchangeable, but can they be used in the same place. I mean- “-kin” is attached to the end of a noun, adjective, and pronouns. Does that mean that if I want to use “myös”, I will insert it after a noun, adjective, and pronouns? Or is “myös” inserted in a different part of the sentence? Thank you ❤️

[@julleri783]

If I understood your questions correctly, "myös" is more flexible with its placement in the sentence, thanks to the flexible word order in Finnish. I think Kat mentioned this at 8:33 Just be careful because the placement of "myös" can have a slight effect on the meaning of the sentence, about what word it emphasises.

[@farouq7107]

@@julleri783 That makes sense. I already studied “myös” and I will keep of “-kin” until I have a better understanding of it

[@mirzazohaibbaig1905]

Informative content as always 👍🏼...do Finnish language have "oxymorons", would be quite interesting vdo 😊

[@KatChatsFinnish]

There are definitely some! I've added it to my long list xD

[@gwenragasa2012]

Moi! can you make a video on Proadjectives, proadverbs, verbal noun-minen and congratulations. kiitos.

[@gwenragasa2012]

* conjunctions

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Thank you for the suggestions, I've added it to my list (although I have about 5 pages of suggestions so can't guarantee how fast I will get to them xD )

[@bettyakkemaai5499]

Silly question , but the word "jotenkin " probably is just one word ? And is not part of this ? I heard this in a lyrics . Therefore .

[@scenich]

kiitos oppitunnista

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Kiitos tosi paljon! :D

[@avrilstacy3133]

In the word Ra Kasan: Love Do you ever abbreviate to say Kasan? I'm just wondering because my sons name before he was adopted was Khasan. He doesnt look Russian. He may have Ukrainian and Finnish heritage. His facial structure looks Ukrainian and Arctic Asian. I also have some Nordic heritage Swedish, however Finland is right next door.

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Hmm, I've personally never heard of this at least. But an interesting idea!

[@nhuck_corris8885]

Ohh interesting🤔, I didn't expect that this could to be a thing. But the "ending-placement"-thing might need some more examples to get a feel for it(for the workbook?😅😊). The context and situation are clear but as a native german speaker (-kin=auch) I would intuitively choosen "minä rakastan sinuakin" at least in this example, because both sentences "minäkin rakastan sinua/i also love you" and "minä rakastan sinuakin/i love you too" would be "Ich liebe dich auch" in both contexts in german. Because of that, I wouldn't have made any difference.🙈 On the other hand from the "Genetiivi" video, the difference between "täytyä" and "pitää" seems clearer for me than for native English speakers.

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Oh yes good idea, love the workbook ideas :D That's really interesting to hear from a German perspective! I'll for sure keep that in mind.😁

[@pobelix5803]

How come finnish people don't talk much and if they do, they even make everything much shorter..? Mäki, Säki etc. Apparently they don't want foreigners to learn that secret code which we call "finnish language". :P Joka tapauksessa, mä puhun Saksaa, Englantia, Ruotsia ja vähänkin Suomea. :)

[@hyhhy]

By the way, "-kin" can also mean "even" (the adverb), similarly to "jopa". "Myös" does not include that meaning.

[@geoptus]

😊👍

[@thegoodmakersfamily]

🍒

[@nicolasbuenaobra13]

Tuo kuppi on minunkin.

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Onko?😱 hahah

[@MGVK2277]

💕💕💕

[@KatChatsFinnish]

🤗🥰

[@cyrusdongla8319]

Minakin rakastan sinua😃

[@Toni-rr3nf]

Kiittikin🙃

[@yonasbelachew1742]

😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@AbishinAbishin]

Minä rakastan sinua katchat

[@adnanahmed1423]

Moi 🌹

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Moi! ☺

[@kuningas-l1b]

Voinko sanoa : 'Haluatkokin ruokaa ?

[@julleri783]

No, you would add the -kin to ruokaa: "Haluatko ruokaakin?" (=Do you also want food? meaning you were already given something else, and are asked if you want food in addition to that)

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Yes exactly what Julius said :)

[@julleri783]

Just had a thought that if you were meaning to ask if "you too" want food, then it would be "Haluatko sinäkin ruokaa?" So you would need to add "sinä" when using "-kin", even thought "haluatko" already states that it is about YOU. But you can also use "myös" and say "Haluatko myös ruokaa?"

[@jean-marcdumas-perrin5324]

👍🙏⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@mikahamari6420]

K: Näitkö sinäkin näkin näkkileivän? Näin näkinkin. P: Näkkiikkö nääki näki näkkäri? Näkkiin näkinki.

[@user-in6tx3vm6i]

Ite ainaki jätän melkee kaikki loput pois, en mä niit jaksa sanoo :Dd

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Joo aika monet jättää sanomatta xD

[@georgiosivankof7071]

👍 🇫🇮

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Kiitos!

[@tjovadevalivat]

Huomennakin sataa lunta Huomenna sataa luntakin Huomenna sataakin lunta

[@adnanahmed1423]

Sä olet kirkas ehkä minäkin😊

[@KatChatsFinnish]

Kiitos :D

[@Bit-while_going]

Kuin Anakin, sekin kävelee taivaassa.