Jamie Bamber on playing Apollo and how BSG Changed His Life

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Katee Sackhoff

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@dhmcadams662
@dhmcadams662 2 ай бұрын
That last BSG scene with you two...whew....Jamie/Apollo turns around and you're gone....still gets me.
@hiltrud2001
@hiltrud2001 2 ай бұрын
Me too ❣
@cpuuk
@cpuuk 2 ай бұрын
That scene still makes me sad
@themoviejunky3918
@themoviejunky3918 2 ай бұрын
That is why I prefer fan edits...
@aaronmarshall5628
@aaronmarshall5628 2 ай бұрын
It’s such a poetic scene and brilliantly acted by both of them!
@cs3473
@cs3473 2 ай бұрын
You beat me to the punch!
@kesler172011
@kesler172011 2 ай бұрын
So awesome to see Starbuck and Apollo together again SO SAY WE ALL!!
@AnySumptionBanter
@AnySumptionBanter 2 ай бұрын
this is the way!
@TX_Bluesman001
@TX_Bluesman001 2 ай бұрын
SSWA
@annalorree
@annalorree 2 ай бұрын
Battlestar and The Expanse are my favourite two sci-fi series. The writing, the acting, the effects, and so on simply put those two shows above all others. Even 20 years later, Battlestar is one of the greats by all measures.
@tjmcguire9417
@tjmcguire9417 2 ай бұрын
Don't you just know it. Nailed it I will say we could have had less of James Callis as Baltar. He got tiring. Tricia Helfer? Never enough. Our Canadian girl.. The only one that could go head to head with Katee.
@janmarek971
@janmarek971 Ай бұрын
@@tjmcguire9417 Dude, I loved Baltar. Don't you piss on my man 😁
@NestorCaster
@NestorCaster Ай бұрын
The Expanse doesn’t get enough attention and love from mainstream audiences… so glad the fandom was enough to bring The Expanse back twice, and helped make it run for six seasons!
@AthanImmortal
@AthanImmortal 2 ай бұрын
I know he's a fellow Brit, I've known for years, but it still always takes me a second when I see him talk with a British accent because he's just cemented in my neurons as Apollo.
@EvilElecBlanket
@EvilElecBlanket 2 ай бұрын
I think the first time I saw him speak with his accent he had blonde hair. It blew my MidWest American mind. The first thought that popped into my mind was "London has surfer dudes"?
@robertbyrne5374
@robertbyrne5374 2 ай бұрын
I am old enough to remember the 1978 series, when I found out that it was being rebooted, I wasn't sure it work, because: nostalgia. However, your version was an incredible piece of work. Wholly unique, intriguing and so reflective of the world we live on. Kudos, kudos, kudos!!!
@PaintedByMouth
@PaintedByMouth 2 ай бұрын
I miss BSG and that era so much. Ive rewatched it multiple times. I was shocked when I first heard his british accent.
@jamesonstalanthasyu
@jamesonstalanthasyu Ай бұрын
I'm f'n crying when you two remninse about what Edward does on set, especially about the 'so say we all' part. That scene made me cheer too when it aired.
@starbean2196
@starbean2196 2 ай бұрын
BSG is just a wondrous programme. Rarely, every single character is interesting, the interaction between every one’s stories is amazing. Surely, the cylon reveal episode must be the best scene ever in any programme. Spine tingling!
@tunana1
@tunana1 2 ай бұрын
Katee and Jamie, BSG will always be the best show I have ever watched. Thanks for the delightful talk.
@xamalion7334
@xamalion7334 2 ай бұрын
You can never know how much you guys helped me through a really dark time in my life. The only thing I could hold on to was BSG, it helped me escape this world and live with you guys and your problems, forgetting mine for a moment. You were and are the best TV family I've ever experienced, I wanted to be a part of it so badly. So thank you and be forever proud of your eternal legacy. Don't be sad it was a once-in-a-lifetime experience, most don't ever get even that. ❤
@captain-dunsel1968
@captain-dunsel1968 2 ай бұрын
Hi Katee, it was great seeing you Saturday. My daughter and I spent a few moments with you. I'm the dude who played the Crime Scene Photographer on the Boston's Finest shoot in 2010. Scott Sangster. You were very gracious and I love that you were part of my very first experience as an actor way back when. It was so great talking about those days! BTW I once found the footage from that shoot on KZbin but it has since been removed dammit.
@HighlandPhoenix
@HighlandPhoenix 2 ай бұрын
Jamie was awesome in Hornblower as Midshipman/Lieutenant Archie Kennedy. Brilliant TV! 🖖
@lions1310
@lions1310 Ай бұрын
His best role in my opinion ❤
@bfitzger2
@bfitzger2 2 ай бұрын
KZbin is a mixed bag, but I find every Katee Sackhoff episode to be pure gold!
@Duchess-1002
@Duchess-1002 2 ай бұрын
Hi Katee, I met you last Friday at the BSG convention in Chicago. I was overwhelmed by meeting you and EJO. You were the kindest soul to me and were very understanding. You made my experience unforgettable. Thank you for making my bucket list photo perfect!!! So say we all.....
@Tomismyusername
@Tomismyusername 2 ай бұрын
BSG is one of the greatest shows I've over seen. You two were incredible.
@Robertsmith-un5cu
@Robertsmith-un5cu 2 ай бұрын
BSG had no business being this masterpiece that just comes out of nowhere. But somehow the writers, cast, and crew, created this unbelievably clever, intense, and spiritual Tv series. Still unmatched to this day.
@ZATennisFan
@ZATennisFan 2 ай бұрын
That show was and is lightning in a bottle. I think many projects fail precisely because they try to create or recreate that and I don't think you can. If you try and force it it naturally fails...
@Robertsmith-un5cu
@Robertsmith-un5cu 2 ай бұрын
Lightning in a bottle is a great way to put it. The last episode left me gutted for a couple days. They weren’t afraid to make art and it was worth the risks
@RodCornholio
@RodCornholio 2 ай бұрын
100%. Agree with all.
@derekpeterson7412
@derekpeterson7412 2 ай бұрын
Battlestar Galactica remains my #1, as a nerd, due to the fact it was introduced to me by my wife. Next, Jamie inspired me to get to the gym - to exercise and take care of myself. I loved the character of Apollo. This interview was amazing. ❤
@glynnebradley
@glynnebradley 2 ай бұрын
Jamie seems delightful. Thank you Katee for having him on.
@edo27
@edo27 2 ай бұрын
Love seeing you two together again! You both seem like great examples of how to age with grace humour and inner and outer beauty (and I say this as a 40 year old myself who is currently having a midlife crisis). Great interview
@gregburgin7098
@gregburgin7098 Ай бұрын
BSG is more than a show. Truly something to be proud of.
@nimasafapouresq.3630
@nimasafapouresq.3630 2 ай бұрын
Love the unpacking of BSG and the cast. Hope she brings on the Chief, Halo, and Boomer at some point. Would love to see what they are up to. This was a great interview with Jaimie. Super well spoken and charming actor. Glad to see he is still going strong.
@valeriesorrells
@valeriesorrells 2 ай бұрын
Katee, You are the only Starbuck. Ultimate badass! Great interview with Jamie, so good to hear about the good ol' days. So say we all.
@mandyburton9798
@mandyburton9798 2 ай бұрын
Just listened to the podcast on my cycle to work. Fantastic. Did not know Jamie was one of us Brits! Katee you are just brilliant at this, thank you. Also wishing you guys massive GOOD LUCK today, hope the gods are forever in your favour x
@richtea7868
@richtea7868 2 ай бұрын
I’ve been a fan of Jamie since he was Dotsy in Ultimate Force. He’s been in several other really under rated shows that got cancelled unfairly
@meeee4997
@meeee4997 2 ай бұрын
I can top that(j/k I know it's not a competition). I've been a fan since Horatio Hornblower. I think that was his first big role. He was only supposed to be in the first film if I recall correctly but they liked him so much they brought him back for 4 more.
@raiderslight
@raiderslight 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant episode, I still watch BSG on a regular basis. It was great to see your friendship with Jamie.
@eamonquinn5188
@eamonquinn5188 2 ай бұрын
Katee, I love that all the BSG guys get on so well, even after all this time. I mean it was kind of a risky project, updating a campish 70's sci-fi, taking the concept seriously but also adding in fun and some real menace with the humanoid cylons infiltrating the humans. Loved it, and actually became hooked with your portrayal of Starbuck, I think at a card table. Thanks to all of you.
@74gould
@74gould 2 ай бұрын
My new favorite video on your channel. ❤ Jamie is awesome. Seeing you two reminisce about BSG just made my election night much more enjoyable. 😊
@targe762
@targe762 2 ай бұрын
Jamie had Sooo many awesome scenes. Being Scottish, when he gets out of his dads viper after blowing up the cylon base and the bagpipes are wailing and he hands his grandads watch back, lost it. Still do. But my fav is the scene where hes dying and imagining hes floating in a flooded quarry. Still gives me goosebumps and tears. Was blown away to learn after watching the show he is English wicked job on the accent. I own the full series plus Razor on dvd and have watched it about 10 times now, it used to be one of my flag gate tests for each gf.
@JohanJonasson
@JohanJonasson 2 ай бұрын
BSG featured many great actors and characters, but you two were especially exceptional together.
@spaced28
@spaced28 2 ай бұрын
I rewatch BSG every year - it’s genuinely my favourite show of all time (alongside the West Wing). I still cry every single time your Viper explodes, and every time you disappear at the end - both scenes showcased by Jamie Bamber reacting to you ❤
@mikeknowles8017
@mikeknowles8017 2 ай бұрын
I wasn't even paying attention to the 04 re-boot of BSG until one day I walked into the den and my sons were watching a scene where Bamber and Richard Hatch's characters were talking. I said (showing my age) "Hey, that's Apollo" and pointed at Hatch and they said "No, that's Apollo" and pointed at Bamber. It got me interested and I had to go back and watch it from the beginning. Now it's my favorite show ever. Great to see that these 2 talented people remain friends.
@clairedavis5268
@clairedavis5268 2 ай бұрын
i still watch this show once a year, if not more. you guys are so great. thank you.
@GoldtriggerDude
@GoldtriggerDude 2 ай бұрын
I am currently rewatching the entire BSG series. The best thing is that since it's been 20 years, I don't remember half the stuff I saw the 1st time. Starbuck & Apollo were absolutely amazing playing off of each other. Geez what a great show. I can't wait to see how it ends! (Kidding, lol).
@andynonimuss6298
@andynonimuss6298 2 ай бұрын
I was already rewatching the whole series before I found Katee's channel. This is so cool getting all of the backstory and inside info as I'm watching the series again!
@gloryliberty
@gloryliberty 2 ай бұрын
Jamie was the reason I stopped for and then fell in love with BSG! My dad was a huge Horatio Hornblower fan, so I ended up watching the A&E miniseries while recording them for him (on VHS tape!). It literally was a walk by the TV during the premiere of the BSG mini, recognized Jamie, then sat down and watched the rest and was hooked. ♥️ So excited you two got to chat on the pod! #justiceforarchie
@BlueMage-adin
@BlueMage-adin 2 ай бұрын
I still feel Apollo's monologue during the Trial is still a landmark moment in Television, on par with some the moments in MASH and a few other programs.
@briancook3125
@briancook3125 2 ай бұрын
Man, yes. He was FORGIVEN.
@liannechristian8597
@liannechristian8597 2 ай бұрын
It really was, and its one of my favourite scenes, and I am always rewatching the show. Forgiveness can change the world 🙏
@StarBoKry
@StarBoKry 2 ай бұрын
You guys. A great episode.
@eamonquinn5188
@eamonquinn5188 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, all of you for your talent and joy in showing that talent
@aaronmarshall5628
@aaronmarshall5628 2 ай бұрын
I listened to the two of you, as well as the whole BSG cast, discuss your work in Chicago and it is always so engaging. It’s fascinating to hear about what it is actually like to work in the field, especially the difficulties. Thank you both for continuing to make art that touches people in so many unique ways.
@dyadica7151
@dyadica7151 2 ай бұрын
Your casting in the show was risky, but inspired. You rose to it and created a Legend.
@martinw245
@martinw245 2 ай бұрын
Watching this has inspired me to watch BSG again. Fantastic show.
@benjaminportilla9297
@benjaminportilla9297 2 ай бұрын
Guys! Guys! Guys! You guys! Another great episode. You guys are amazing. I feel like everyone on BSG had challenging characters and character moments in that show, but you two had some of the most challenging and the fact you both knocked it out of the park helped really make the show what it was.
@miaward7668
@miaward7668 2 ай бұрын
Oh I have been waiting for this episode forever! Thank you so much!!
@tudorm6838
@tudorm6838 Ай бұрын
I think BSG was the ultimate sci-fi series that was much more than just that. Also, in BSG, the artistry of the actors was phenomenal. I think I’ve watched it at least five times. It created an atmosphere you loved to breathe in, even though it often took your breath away and gave you powerful emotions. It’s fascinating that you could relive those same emotions with every rewatch.
@BrentAgeofGrogu
@BrentAgeofGrogu 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Katee this was an incredible interview. Love you guys so much BSG still to this day is my most favorite show of all time there has nothing that has even come close for me, and much appreciate all the hard wonderful work you guys did there.
@fewselage
@fewselage 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this happen! And thanks for making it to the 20th anniversary convention!
@beautanner8409
@beautanner8409 Ай бұрын
Oh this is good! Such an amazing series, and such an amazing on-screen relationship arc!!
@rhythmandblues9302
@rhythmandblues9302 2 ай бұрын
It was moving to see them recalling so fondly, but also somewhat mournfully, what an ideal experience it was and how things have never been as good, since. The bittersweetness of nostalgia is real.
@eamonquinn5188
@eamonquinn5188 2 ай бұрын
I loved hearing about Edward James Olmos making all of you his family x
@Zero.Element
@Zero.Element 2 ай бұрын
Simply cannot wait!!! Love your show Katee!! Thank you for sharing all of this with us!! Please take care and wishing the very best for you and your family!!
@JeanPaulB
@JeanPaulB Ай бұрын
This is great, I literally JUST finished a rewatch of BSG. Nice to see them both!
@christophepanstarrs3538
@christophepanstarrs3538 Ай бұрын
Thank you from France. BSG was amazing. Thank you for all and for your channel YT Katee Sackhoff.
@kjdinoc
@kjdinoc 24 күн бұрын
Man I wish your Battlestar story was not over, but it ended in a way that I can't think of any way to revisit.
@smalls-ii1zd
@smalls-ii1zd 2 ай бұрын
After watching the election stuff all night finding you two talking about what it was like and hearing about how it really was family. Was just what I needed. Thank you for BSG and sharing your friendship 😊
@neilcampbell9383
@neilcampbell9383 2 ай бұрын
I have only recently come across the show and it has been a revelation to me. So positive and fascinating. Like many I assumed that all these famous actors were millionaires. It has been so interesting to hear from the real people behind the iconic roles. The insight into being a working actor and its trials and tribulations as well as triumphs has been great. Plus Katee is so lovely and engaging.
@Thunderflare99
@Thunderflare99 2 ай бұрын
Awesome to see you guys talking about BSG together; glad to see that it had such an impact on you as it did the fans of the show. One of the reactions I have though is how many cringe moments there were of this awkward off/on romance between your two characters. I think part of the show's success is when the cast and crew are such a "family" that it really comes through on the show. With that amazing finale, everyone is wondering how it's going to end, then it's done. History. And the BSG reboot was a smashing success remembered and rewatched for life.
@philipegging
@philipegging Ай бұрын
Katee, I stumbled over your entertaining interview today. Two great actors and friends being themselves . I loved it.
@shudoFight
@shudoFight 2 ай бұрын
Go Jamie for acknowledging that Australia has the best coffee :) Soooo Truuuuuueeee. Sydney is okay, Melbourne is even more amazing!
@rodrigo2112-
@rodrigo2112- 2 ай бұрын
Greetings from Brazil, thanks for this episode Kate and Jamie.
@100ThingsIDo
@100ThingsIDo 2 ай бұрын
These chats are wonderful! Thank you Katee 🙏
@krypton7853
@krypton7853 2 ай бұрын
Great to see you both together again
@soulbear42
@soulbear42 2 ай бұрын
Yes! The time for this talk aproaches! Cant wait sure been hoping this was in your plans.
@stephenkotowych8105
@stephenkotowych8105 2 ай бұрын
This interview was just what I needed today
@MemineAussi
@MemineAussi Ай бұрын
I noticed that the cast and crew went to extraordinary efforts in the miniseries; the extra who played the co-pilot did a really good job despite not having a speaking roll. And after that, it was like even the extras worked their tails off to do a great job, let alone anyone with a speaking roll.
@vaun1
@vaun1 Ай бұрын
So good to see you two talking- I absolutely loved the series!
@DanBellinger2371
@DanBellinger2371 2 ай бұрын
Katee and Jamie, thanks for your part in BSG. It was and is an amazing experience.
@SerilaBuck
@SerilaBuck 2 ай бұрын
i'm so glad Jamie seems so cool
@richardb.7054
@richardb.7054 Ай бұрын
Huge BSG fan here, and what a fantastic conversation, thank you so much.😃😃
@Leonardoverse
@Leonardoverse 2 ай бұрын
Wow. This was powerful. And as a screenwriter, I learned something good that I'll take with me. I pray I'll have the support to say to actors, "be you."
@lisagrace6471
@lisagrace6471 2 ай бұрын
This is SO fun to learn about French cinema! thank you, Jamie! I enjoy learning about how it really is and not just what trickles down from elsewhere.
@xethnyrrow
@xethnyrrow 2 ай бұрын
Glad to hear Jamie found Lee Adama a difficult character to play because early in BSG I felt he was an under utilized character without a good direction. He became one of the most interesting characters by the end of the show. Gaius Baltar still is #1 though. It's funny that Jamie was, "upset" with EJO saying that BSG would be the zenith of theirs careers... but Eddie was right. Not because anyone isn't worthy but BSG was lightning in a bottle.
@sheldorleconcher8870
@sheldorleconcher8870 2 ай бұрын
So nice to see Jamie again, and Katee, your smile is as stunning as always. Love these talks!
@spacefarerx
@spacefarerx 2 ай бұрын
Love BSG. It‘s one of the defining television shows of my life. Loved to listen to this conversation. ❤
@jacobcarlisle1814
@jacobcarlisle1814 2 ай бұрын
I am unbelievably excited about this! Huge Jamie fan and Kerry too, I remember her being so good in Bad Girls. Thank you for this one Katee
@Starfals
@Starfals 12 күн бұрын
Great podcast episode :)
@WanJae42
@WanJae42 2 ай бұрын
"No one had a computer at home" :-D Oh yes we did. We watched each ep of BSG as it aired, and then re-listened two hours later on the re-run with Ron Moore's podcast audio to get the "inside info", and discussed it all live on AOL Instant Messenger. :-D Love this podcast. OMG you should totally interview RDM since his podcast literally started during BSG!
@awesomehpt8938
@awesomehpt8938 2 ай бұрын
I was hoping this one would happen
@rickbase833
@rickbase833 2 ай бұрын
Apollo's character had such an interesting arc and his transformation from fighter pilot to politician was extraordinary thanks to Jamie.
@caledoniaskytower
@caledoniaskytower Ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the show! I remember Jamie from his Horatio Hornblower days with Ioan Gruffud. Loved his performances. A couple of thoughts . . . 1. Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict were in their early 30s in 1978 - not their 40s. 2. When Battlestar came on tv, sci-fi had not been on prime time tv for well over a decade - since the 1960s when the space race to the moon was very much in everyone's consciousness: Lost in Space, the OG Star Trek series. The '78 Battlestar, on the other hand, was a direct response/out growth of the success of the first Star Wars film. It, and the expanding Star Trek franchise were on the frontier of a resurgence of popular sci-fi that we still benefit from today. I realize how kitchy it looks, and hokey it reads now, but in the day it was unlike anything anyone had seen on the small screen. I remember eagerly anticipating each episode and my disappointment when it did not get a second season. I think that is part of why the OG BSG is beloved among many fans. Fan's negative pre-judgement (which seems to have only gotten worse) baffles me. All those early sci-fi from the mid-60s and late 70s toddled so that series like Firefly, BSG and so many more could walk and even fly.
@callemdavies8992
@callemdavies8992 2 ай бұрын
America - you have my most heartfelt condolences.
@zanetusken
@zanetusken 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for this window into the world of acting! Very insightful and genuine!
@northernpaladin66
@northernpaladin66 2 ай бұрын
Excellent episode. Jaime interviews really well.
@tjmcguire9417
@tjmcguire9417 2 ай бұрын
Katee. I have seen all of your work. Never worry. You always shine through.
@sideofcaution
@sideofcaution 2 ай бұрын
Wow, this episode is pure gold, on so many levels…
@Smi4ari
@Smi4ari 2 ай бұрын
I love hearing you guys talk about the art of acting. It was my husband and I really enjoyed those conversations at the Chicago con
@crystalpistey-lyhne3406
@crystalpistey-lyhne3406 Ай бұрын
Thanks For Another Lovely Episode!🥰🙆🏻‍♀️🖥💕
@SwanDigEnt
@SwanDigEnt 2 ай бұрын
Holy smokes. How am I just now finding out Mr. Bamber is British? He did his role on BSG so well I assumed he was either an Canadian or American actor! Nice. I should have known all the kick ass actors are from the UK!
@strongereveryday1891
@strongereveryday1891 2 ай бұрын
Such a great interview. I love how he thought Lee was annoying. Because yes. So funny it was a couple years after BSG that I learned Jamie was British. That song was great!
@patricklee7241
@patricklee7241 Ай бұрын
So say we all! Thanks for this
@inmate1614
@inmate1614 2 ай бұрын
This is it. The one I've been waiting for! Thanks Katee
@xastephen03
@xastephen03 2 ай бұрын
What a wonderful conversation!
@bobman71
@bobman71 2 ай бұрын
Great job ,I got say I loved both BSG !
@BruceWilliams-b7m
@BruceWilliams-b7m 2 ай бұрын
Hi Katee ...... Super huge fan of BSG and for some reason your show popped up on my feed. New subscriber here. May I say, you are totally gorgeous off screen as you are on screen as Starbuck. Loved the interview you did with Tricia whom is my favourite female star in BSG, seconded only by you... no offense.. great interviews all round. Keep up the great work. I am inspired now to revisit the BSG series and Movies. Soooo happy I found your show. Thanks Katee.
@horlos7175
@horlos7175 Ай бұрын
Great talk. Love from 💙🤍❤
@Smi4ari
@Smi4ari 2 ай бұрын
I LOVE that you guys have such a great cast relationship - especially the Adamas
@MyKazH
@MyKazH 2 ай бұрын
Love, love, love this chat! I'm going to have to go and watch BSG again :D I have all the DVDs lol I love your portrayal of Starbuck Katee! And yes, as an Australian, can confirm the C word is used as a term of endearment at times lol
@cejannuzi
@cejannuzi 2 ай бұрын
Richard Chamberlain mostly did TV in the US and went to the UK to do serious roles. It was his work in the UK that got him established as a serious male lead actor. He played Lord Byron in film!
@nicholasr6381
@nicholasr6381 2 ай бұрын
he was the original Jason Bourne too.
@nikaramo7665
@nikaramo7665 2 ай бұрын
oh wow, I just found out that you have a podcast and on top of that you had Jamie on just yesterday, I love it! I started rewatching Battlestar two weeks ago and it is as great as the first time watching ( and the second, and the third ;) ). This is just my favorite show, because it really has a magic to it, merged in by everyone who participated in it. like the music, one of the best soundtracks ever made, I still listen to it and it gets me every time ( looking forward watching your interview with Bear McCreary next :) ). Like you both said, you can feel the dedication everyone put into this, when you watch the show. And when I went to a convention in Bonn/Germany ( in 2018...?), where many cast members where there, I saw and felt that you are family and although I just wanted to go home with a picture of me and "Starbuck", I ended up with pictures of James Callis and Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell also ;). I wish both of you another great experience like Battlestar, but different. I think Battlestar is just very special and very dear to my heart ❤.
@ediesthriftique4163
@ediesthriftique4163 2 ай бұрын
The original Battlestar Galactica (much like Star Wars) captured our imaginations. They storyline of these people from other planets...a connection to earth....It was magic for a 12 year old me back then. I didn't know what to make of the reboot when I heard about it. But when I saw it....I fell in love with it. Loved the more "gritty" version that it was.
@Anymouse6980
@Anymouse6980 Ай бұрын
BSG, your version, is great TV as well as great Sci-Fi. I found it addressing current issues and captivating, working better than the original. I am glad you are working, making effort, to achieve in your art (acting), which is also a business., and those contradictions incurred because of art vs business. It is great seeing you two on this podcast.
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