Keep Talking And Nobody Explodes - Sudoku Style - Part 2

Many of you have requested that we take a crack at a game called Keep Talking And Nobody Explodes. Here Simon and Mark give it a second go!
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[@NunoSalvaterra]

Have you all noticed how the bomb that was solved with 1.43 left on the clock is solved at 1 hour 43 minutes on the stream? 1:43:25 to be more precise. Amazing coincidence!

[@_APV_]

More than that, 1:43:25 and it was their 25th game (counting both successful and unsuccessful ones) ! And to be more precise, that's probably not true, I just made that up.

[@Kass401]

That 1.43 second clutch was incredible - very well done!

[@TheMeanderingduck6]

And it happens at 1 hr 43 min in the video.

[@guycomments]

it was very poggers

[@ThomasEdits]

The craziest thing is they only had barely enough time because the simon game gave the same colour like 6 times in a row what is the chance of that!?

[@soulus98]

You two do much better than the average Joe and even the average gamer. The whole "being really good at puzzles" thing must translate. Love the streams, keep it up!

[@lroke2947]

Thanks for another episode of Baba is Boom. I truly hope you will do the remaining levels. Season's greetings!

[@davidellis4031]

Years later, but still appreciate the bit at the end where you swapped roles - really gave an insight into the whole two videos.

[@justinwhite2725]

Knowledge bomb from Cracking the Cryptic: 5 is not 6.

[@multiarray2320]

probably because of the wine xD

[@justinwhite2725]

@@multiarray2320 ah I wasn't aware they were drinking. It is Christmas eve, though, so fair enough.

[@highpath4776]

@@justinwhite2725 Mark was on the Port.

[@kmjohnny]

Knowledge bomb, I see what you did there

[@justinwhite2725]

@@kmjohnny I actually didn't think about that. That's hilarious.

[@stuartharris2165]

Simon attending to his needy knob and then venting his gases, what next!! lol

[@ahouyearno]

Probably sudoku, of all things 🙃

[@TheEverwritten]

Classic guy stuff.

[@Torvaun]

Not pumping his lever, he doesn't do that anymore.

[@MCMCvirguleMC]

That guessing on Simon's last bomb compensates for every sudoku they did where I had to "bifurcate" at one point or another

[@Rimmar]

1:38:30 best simon ever, it really helped with that clutch :D

[@kenneth.topp.]

as a computer programmer I see so much opportunity for compression. for example, on wires, saying "are there more than two red wires" could be a simple "red" callout with a $NUMBER_OF_WIRES_MATCHING_COLORS response. It was nice to see the optimizations they were able make on their own.

[@theatog]

Personally, I find the best way to do simple wires is as follow: - (Optional) Person with bomb say number of wires (Although optional, this extra step i find usually end up saving time than to skip it. ) - Person with bomb say color of wires in order from top to bottom - Person with manual will have about 95% of the information by then

[@highpath4776]

@@theatog problem is the order the manual expects to get the information, It is quite a tricky if/then choice as it seems the result jumps around rather than a smooth progression tree

[@hbfdfgjcyk555]

29:00 Tries to turn the lights back on but turns the alarm on instead

[@dhiibvulk9036]

Just like on the first video, too

[@longwaytotipperary]

It's just fun to watch the 2 of you interact. Doesn't matter what game it is. And to be able to let you know in real time how much we appreciate you! 🤗

[@pimanrules]

Worth pointing out that the bombs in the "Extreme" section are particularly difficult with just two people. The time gets so restrictive you really have to work on modules in parallel which naturally becomes much easier when you have multiple people with the manual. Of course, I'm sure it's possible with just two, so if you're up for a challenge...

[@Tyrope]

The entire game can, technically, be solo'd.

[@likelyvampirical]

@@Tyrope I second this, having done so myself.

[@gingermlg]

@@Tyrope it is by definition, against the rules to solo the game.

[@chiderakalaji7206]

That AGAIN guess was PHENOMENAL. I was at the edge of my seat

[@ThomasEdits]

The craziest thing is they only had barely enough time because the simon game gave the same colour like 6 times in a row

[@BenRHarsh]

It cutting away to ads the moment it exploded when he set the knob to 'down' and not 'away from up' since up was in the right position and he was oblivious was pretty great timing.

[@FirstLast-gw5mg]

I thought you were talking _reasonably_ fast. I did think that the timer was going down awfully quick, but it wasn't until you said you're British and this _is_ your fast talking speed that I remembered I'm watching at 2x speed.

[@highpath4776]

The game does seem to take time even at 2x to throw up the next word say on the word game

[@Lasdary]

I think being a polite British speaker is a handicap for this game.

[@lapuntv8432]

seeing this cooent i went back and watched a bit in normal speed. they talk like turtles in comparison too watching with x2 for the last hour

[@hebronferrier9101]

I'm glad that we have a community of 2x speed watchers. I also thought the "who's on first game" display takes forever, and also totally forgot that I was watching on 2x speed and keept going back to settings to speed them up.

[@tehjoch]

Simon: "I don't think we can get more efficient in our communication" also simon: "There's a button on it and it has the word press and it is white"

[@iantaakalla8180]

It is pretty good at how efficient they are at solving stuff that they can speak inefficiently and still complete all the vanilla bombs up to the fifth module. Then again, they aren’t speedrunning it, experts, or trying mods all the time so this actually is very good.

[@sportsjefe]

@@iantaakalla8180 Right, there's no 'offline practice' or anything, this is just them with the two hours experience from the last stream (and Mark with wine).

[@gh3meister]

for those confusing wires if you're on the last one and it hasn't completed you need to cut it or else you would already have the puzzle correct

[@likelyvampirical]

Chat tells them this, and they utilize it multiple times.

[@c0d3_m0nk3y]

I laughed so hard when you two switched roles. Thank you so much for 2 hours of brilliant entertainment!

[@henrymarkson3758]

The Needy Knob was an unnecessarily cruel obstacle

[@lizzzylavender]

How wholesome that they thought the “nice”s in chat were for them succeeding and not the 69 lol

[@scottynutter9690]

45:07

[@TomKyritz-tp2gm]

Did you not hear their at length discussion of the needy knob. Simons aware of 69 being nice for sure

[@catsandkittys]

I googled the manual because I was curious. The venn diagram for the complicated wires is tricky af

[@Jabamaca8]

Seeing Mark popping-off after that clutch was a treat.

[@columbus8myhw]

I appreciate your doing a variety of games. Each game you've played so far is super unique.

[@columbus8myhw]

Even within the puzzle genre, you've found three completely different puzzle games.

[@eve_the_eevee_rh]

That was fun! Would love to see another stream (Though waking up this early is quite tiring, might stick to watching the VODs)

[@columbus8myhw]

I want you to go far enough with the reversed roles for Mark to see the complicated wires, lol

[@KSweatshack]

The clutch win was amazing... really enjoyed the stream and hope you do another

[@dsoegijono]

"Oh yes, don't forget to like the stream guys, if you wouldn't mind. That would be very kind of you." So polite

[@frijolitoazul4343]

It's so cool you kept playing this game, of course this is mainly a sudoku content channel, but everything that deals with patterns and quick thinking makes it identical to the reasoning you have to apply to solving sudoku fast, it makes it especially interesting to do it with a partner since sudoku usually asks for a challenge with 1 brain instead of 2, hope you keep playing this even if it keeps getting harder c:

[@bitzibaerlie]

Loved this! Now I want to see them play Papers, Please together. I think that would be hilarious.

[@NinjarioPicmin]

i hope you'll continue. I don't think you need to keep the switched roles, just keeping with the one you familiarized yourselves for the most time and see if you can crack the next bombs with your amazing team work. You are doing great!

[@coopoku1738]

Thank you for your stream! I've just found out that i'll be self-isolating by myself over Christmas, but this cheered me up. Guess I'll have some time on my hands to look at the puzzle hunt!

[@AuntyAwesome]

merry christmas!! hope you still get some yummy food and can relax with some puzzles

[@coopoku1738]

@@AuntyAwesome Thanks! I intend too!

[@tofmill3640]

Wonderful stream that I sadly missed. I did however create a list of tips for Simon and Mark to consider for the next time they stream this game again. The Extreme bombs are no joke, so I wish to help in the best way I can. Wires: Simon lists every colour from the top down, and Mark works out which wire to cut Button: If Simon needs to hold the button, Mark only says the digit to release on (Simon says "blue", Mark only says "4") Keypad: Simon describes each symbol quickly, while Mark only needs to say the first three symbols in order Simon Says: Colour mapping does not change as long as there are no mistakes during pressing, so any repeat colours can be done by the defuser Who's On First: Mark goes through the list of words and does not stop until Simon finds the correct word Memory: Mark only says either the position ("3rd") or the number ("number 3"); Simon fills in the missing information using the same method Morse Code: Wait until the sequence resets; for each letter, say the entire flash combination DURING the pause between letters Complicated Wires: Simon only says what is present for each wire (neglect to say "no light", neglect to say "white"); any identically configured wires can be cut; if the module is not done after every previous wire has been determined, cut the last wire Wire Sequences: Simon says, in numerical order, the "colour to letter"; Mark only says "yes" for cut, "no" for do not cut Maze: Each green circle is in a unique position on the 6x6 grid, therefore Simon only needs to say one green circle; Mark says the directions for the path without stopping as Simon follows Password: Generally, the word can be deduced from the first three letters ("think" or "thing" is one exception); Simon could brute force the module while doing another module Knob*: Simon notates only the lit LEDs for the top and bottom rows (5 top, 45 bottom) *This module can be done solo to save some time while doing other modules; it's up to them if they want to do it like this: - Look at the six LEDs on the left half side, rather than the top row. If: - exactly 4 lights are on: UP position - 1 or 0 lights are on: LEFT position - 5 lights are on which create a "U" pattern: RIGHT position - otherwise: DOWN position Merry Christmas, CtC.

[@mackthisarrowhearth295]

For the nasty wires, it helps to just communicate the lights first, then stars and then colors in bulk. Mark can pick out the easy once and if these already are all, you are done early

[@mxspokes]

Honestly, the best thing to do is spin the bomb first, check the serial number, see if there are lit indicators, batteries, parallel ports, etc. Enough of the puzzles have an element on the bomb that knowing this stuff first really helps.

[@Setixir]

@@mxspokes Yea that's a big one you learn after some playing. The very first thing you do is the edge work. Say batteries indicators ports and the serial number and the expert needs to write those down. Makes life much easier

[@msolec2000]

There's no need for that. What you should do is just say what's there, don't lose time saying "no light, no star". For instance, "Red Light". It's assumed no star, because I didn't say it. Also, Simon was told that white didn't matter, but still said "red and white" every time.

[@Aeroxima]

Would love to see more of this, whichever way around

[@TheEverwritten]

I didn't think they'd do anyone more fun to watch than Obra Dinn but this series proved me wrong

[@misomiso8228]

Please do more of this!!!! It's AMAZING!!!

[@pelahnar4]

the chat right before they finished "one with everything" is so pessimistic. So many f's, so much "11 seconds isn't enough to do the password" and "oh, so close!" They had no faith. Or at least, no ability to predict that an extremely unlikely outcome would happen.

[@justinwhite2725]

We didn't expect them to try to guess. Was a good move. I actually called they wee going to fail when they were down to 3 modules left. I was also nearly the first to say 'Whooooo!' and physically cheer when I realised they had the right word and that Simon was going to enter it in time. My roommate must have been stunned because I rarely get that amped up.

[@Jeremy-qn9vg]

Ikr. Chat was backseat gaming a lot too, saying things like 'they weren't efficient', using too many words. I understanding giving tips but it felt a bit too much overall since the whole point is for us to enjoy how Simon and Mark are approaching the game and not complaining about it.

[@ohno-wi1vb]

I hope you guys will stream again! I just watched both and had a great time

[@PSJupiter]

Hope you guys do more of this, I really enjoy watching this.

[@_n_d_]

Simon forgetting he needs to select the module before he can interact with it is wasting a bit of time. Pleasure to watch though!

[@elliejordan3233]

In the last game I would agree with you, but now that there are needy modules involved I think it actually helps because they can check on the needy ones more easily

[@lexyeevee]

these are a great watch but it /pains/ me to hear a lambda referred to as "upside-down y" haha

[@cheungjackjackt02006]

Highly enjoyed the VOD. Hope you do more!

[@LorisLaboratory]

omg that guess at the end of that one just made my day! Great stuff! :D

[@bertbergers9171]

47:40 : Simon: 8 modules 5 minutes, Mark's hair: I'll go grey now thank you

[@matthewcarlos3750]

1:43:43 love the enthusiasm from mark here😂 Also overall was a great stream to watch!

[@DavidNayer]

Leaving at the very end. Big grin on my face. Delightful watching you play together.

[@grumpybear5874]

love it love it, love it, would like to see more of mark doing the bomb but from his stream if poss

[@ConManAU]

I only just missed the stream so I’ll have to watch the video later. From what I saw you’re doing great, lots of people would have given up but obviously your puzzle skills have done you well. If you ever feel the need to try mods, there’s a huge variety available. Want a sudoku on your bomb? That can be arranged.

[@highpath4776]

Would that be longer than three mins though, I suppose you could make a rembran line to fill in or something on each bomb panel to make a 9x9 overall ? ! interesting

[@ConManAU]

@@highpath4776 There’s an actual sudoku module. You can make bombs with much longer time limits and other fancy things once you get into mods.

[@Stephen-Fox]

Cheers for this. Very fun seeing it from the other side as well.

[@peterpeladon]

I need to point out that being in the top 96% with 1.43 seconds to go means that 1 in 20 teams (the last 4%) finished this bomb with LESS time than 1.43 seconds. It's a hard bomb.

[@ryaneakins7269]

I haven't played the game (just been watching your streams), but you need a shorter name for the "Game with the A B C 1 2 3" module 😃

[@kittyace196]

I don't think using papers and pen are cheating, people who plays mods are using a some sort of special notepad and calculators

[@johndoberman4970]

taking notes is certainly not cheating. source: the literal devs of the game

[@deadersurvival4716]

@@johndoberman4970 The only rules is that the expert cannot see the bomb, and the defuser cannot see the manual. That being said, for anyone wanting to play alone, you can "EFM" or "Expert for Myself" where a single player takes both roles simultaneously.

[@mauer1]

@@deadersurvival4716 yeah overall the rules arent that complicated, its just soo unbelivably difficult too read it from the manual, especially under time trouble.

[@deadersurvival4716]

@@mauer1 It's really not. Just takes a couple runs of practice.

[@mauer1]

@@deadersurvival4716 well yeah with practice you get around the absordiness the manual got written. you understand what it means and get half of it into an understanding memory.

[@AexisRai]

1:02:05 - the pair confronts "One With Everything". For 5 attempts, they come up short: 2 modules left, 1 left, input error, 2 left, 2 left. Undeterred, at 1:37:10 they start attempt #6. Another fail? "Guess "again" ": 1:43:10

[@pelahnar4]

I read this comment shortly after seeing that part of the video and then kept remembering it and laughing every couple minutes while I watched the rest :D

[@MisuVir]

It's amazing how much time is wasted saying "So I've got a black wire here going to an A", when you could just say "black A". :D

[@tobiknott3917]

They do it eventually, see 43:20

[@j4v4x]

Loved it loved it loved it!

[@General_Fragrant_Soap]

Another very interesting video and it just awesome! I hope, there will be a lot of videos like this in the future)))

[@trevorhaddox6884]

Wires: I've got five *1 minute later* I have 2 strikes, my six wires haven't lit up *facepalm*

[@trevorhaddox6884]

He did it agian! For sudoku masters, counting seems to be an issue.

[@clffliese26]

Lefty Grove used to say: "I'd rather be lucky than good."

[@andreynogueira7419]

I've never seen Mark celebrating a victory like this hahaha 1:43:41

[@ala4sox02]

This is the best game. Wish they kept adding on to it.

[@TheGerkuman]

'Oh, I'm meant to know this aren't I' - Mark Goodliffe, 2021

[@Riclamin_]

I love how they are both up to date on so many memes 😁

[@TinymightyJ]

Oh wow, what a guess!!!

[@kmjohnny]

If Simon watch this back, he'll find this peak comedy

[@emilywilliams3237]

The stream is very enjoyable - I am playing the game, too, with family members, and I am watching just a bit of the stream and then stopping so as not to spoil the new things for myself and the others playing with me. And you two are fun to watch! I find you quite funny at times in how you react to things! (I will say that I think that there is quite a bit of juvenile, purile, unnecessary comments in the chat during the stream. I wish the moderators would insist on a bit more maturity. Some younger folks are probably watching this stream, and, for example, if my son were below a certain age I would certainly not want him reading some of the chat.)

[@RichSmith77]

"Pffft, such lazy script writing when they defuse the bomb in films with one second left, that would never happen in real life..."

[@victhegamer9918]

i want mooooreee, where mark playyysssssssssssssss.... I NEED MORE

[@FirstLast-gw5mg]

The password guess was NOT bifurcation. If the word wasn't "AGAIN" you wouldn't have the _option_ to enter that sequence. The fact that you were able to enter it at all meant that it was 100% certainly correct. Of course if you weren't able to _make_ the word "AGAIN" you'd have run out of time, but once you were able to enter it you know it's correct. Therefore, not bifurcation!

[@Braiam]

What is bifurcation anyways?

[@msolec2000]

@@Braiam Guessing. It's when you are stuck in a sudoku and go "let's put a 1 here and see what happens". Then if it fails, you go back and try another thing. And if it doesn't fail... well, puzzle solved.

[@GoTFCanada1230]

Any plans to try some mods for the game? It really expands on the complexity of the game if you enjoyed this so much!

[@jessicadaugherty9011]

1:35:00 “stop practicing and get good.” 😆😆

[@ashwyze]

@10:45... AWAY FROM THE UP!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!

[@MisuVir]

Haha, when I saw the knob rotate, I knew exactly what was going to happen.

[@carolynbennett1867]

Yayyyyyy! Another one 👏👏👏

[@likelyvampirical]

The second complicated wires module had multiple duplicates from the first in their second attempt at "Wires! Wires Everywhere!"

[@msolec2000]

Yes, [SPOILER ALERT] · · · · · · · · Further down in a manual is a bomb with only complicated wires, and tight time. You need to recognize duplicates to defuse it.

[@ymiros0953]

I think one of the main things that slowed you down on complicated wires was that Simon didn't simply cut all wires that are the same across the board immediately once Mark told him the solution for one of them^^ (He did start doing it later on) Also what is he asking about the serial number? If it contains a .. vowel? I never understood

[@doodles990]

Are you asking what a vowel is, or what the serial number is, or why he's asking about it?

[@sportsjefe]

Yes, a vowel (A, E, I, O, U) as opposed to a consonant (the other letters)

[@doodles990]

@@sportsjefe He's asking if the serial number contains a vowel because sometimes the solution changes if it does. Specifically with Simon Says, as the correct color to press changes entirely if the serial number contains a vowel.

[@chipsounder4633]

made me think of lethal weapon 3, rog, grab that cat!

[@vpr0]

I'm finally watching this now, because I have just tried it with my wife, we went through the first 12 bombs and I don't think we'll continue soon, it's very stressfull

[@dhiibvulk9036]

This is very entertaining but oh god the ANXIETY

[@Majoofi]

I'm really hoping you guys will play through Myst and Riven.

[@SnugglesPlays]

How is Simon suddenly able to see the puzzles in the dark before the lights come on? It looks completely pitch black on my screen, I can't see anything!

[@andrewgrant6516]

I forgot, so you've gone to bed already. Happy Christmas!

[@coolpapabell22]

I would think the Starcraft player would be a little better at multitasking. Easy for me to say from the sidelines ofc. :D

[@griffinhunter3206]

keep talking and nobody explodes? more like keep thinking and everyone explodes thats not a good joke but i cannot think of a better one

[@squaray]

"You must have failed to attend to something needy." "Oh it says that the cause of the explosion was a needy knob." "Well did you know what it needed doing? Did you even find that out?" ... straight out the gate, need to get my mind out of the gutter lol

[@vankhanhtran3747]

patiently waiting for them to do modded modules

[@amethystjean1744]

"a few more levels and we'd be finished the game" lol no SO MANY mods out there

[@LithmusEarth]

Thank you for showing the manual, I almost never see it from this side, and it's the side I want to play the most. 10:54 Needy Knob was pointed Right relative to the Up Position. (you needed down relative to it), 46:48 Minutes in, yeah that's what I think I said last game as well. If there is one wire left and it isn't done yet, cut it. 50 Minutes in, 3 Modules and 5 Gas Vents.... Wow. That's how they get you with 8, you only have to actually solve 3 puzzles but there are 5 needy annoying time-wasting things, man.

[@cole7463]

Venting prevents explosion.

[@Aronstorme]

nice!

[@actionchaplain1]

Anyone else notice that the digits of the time they had left matched the first three digits of the video's time stamp? A weird coincidence.

[@jasonsampson3379]

Bomb is Boom

[@samplename5159]

Is anyone keeping track of how many Simons died in the making of this video?

[@joehelfrich7456]

"Is that a meme." They're so British.

[@rjb7096]

what incredible bifurcation at the end there

[@msolec2000]

The most clutch I've seen on a stream of this game (with modded modules) was the defuser being told that they had to release a button when there was a 9, but there were only eight seconds left. He released it and matched on the fractions of a second.

[@KusaneHexaku]

aw man missed the stream by ONE minute, literally sadge

[@highpath4776]

quicker to watch at 2x - I was late then caught up and it got slow ... !!

[@JasperJanssen]

I can’t help but notice the title is a bit of a lie - sometimes people do explode even if you keep talking.

[@ahouyearno]

Not for polite people or long languages like german

[@darkenblade986]

*mark sees the chat saying nice * ... this must be a meme.

[@FirenWithLime]

For complicated wires, maybe don't mention what is not there? You wouldn't go "red wire, light, star, no elk" for some reason.

[@highpath4776]

Seeing the handbook it is quite complex to work the if - next - not -or - then logic

[@Brissles]

Explicit NOTs can be important

[@joaopedroholanda4167]

That comparison is nonsense, elk is not a possible attribute of a wire.

[@PleegWat]

57:10 If you write write right, you write write with a w. It's not right to write right when you mean write. All right?

[@jackleylian]

guess again!