Boat Accident Or Murder? Did Nathan Carman Do It?

[@KendallRae]

I WANT TO KNOW ALL OF YOUR THEORIES AND OPINIONS! 💭I see we are just as split as I thought!! Let me know what you think if you have made up your mind in this poll: twitter.com/kendallraeonyt/status/1230727586700910592?s=21

[@marialossada]

Kendall Rae i think he killed his grandpa and mom was getting suspicious or maybe confronted him and Nathan killed her when they were out on the boat🤷🏼‍♀️ why would he drill holes and cover them so poorly right before taking off? And I don’t believe for a second that his mom “vanished” when the boat started sinking, so he never even heard her scream? To me, he is guilty.

[@shannon7276]

I think he did it the only doubt I have is why would he risk himself for 8 days at sea. Maybe he killed Linda on the boat and waited awhile to sink it but that doesnt really add up either. I think he made sure to tell a lot of people that they were supposed to be back by sunday so that the coast guard would find him. Also think he killed the grandfather just got away with it because they didnt think he could do it. If the family suspects he did this stuff then I believe them. Who knows what he could have been doing behind closed doors only family members would know about.

[@user-bn8ui9wm3u]

nathan is guilty

[@CANADIAN_FIRE]

Having that type of disability he should not be allowed to own a gun. Family sure go shooting or hunting with them but not having full access. My son is high functioning and he's 16. There's alot he can do but we're always watching wether he knows or not. That boy needs help, needs family, needs support. Whatever has happened he still needs support.

[@DarkFaery-]

I am not sure that he is guilty . Yes, it's fishy ( no pun intended ) but that doesn't mean he did it. Autism is a very difficult to understand. If anything I think it was an accident , I feel like he fucked up the boat by accident and that is what caused the tragedy.

[@Lisa-kf4iu]

If the inheritance doesn't go to her son, guess who it goes to? It'll be spread amongst the mothers siblings. To me, that's a huge motive for them to not believe him

[@cynthiavalencia724]

25:24 it wouldn't be spread amongst the siblings. They would donate Nathan's share to charity.

[@saraheerie]

Cynthia Valencia “his portion” isn’t the whole thing. The money would still be split amongst the siblings and next of kin, then they’d donate what he would be given to charity. It’s a very tricky way of saying they want the money and don’t want him to have it. They’ll still each get a good million or a little more. Don’t let that statement fool you into thinking they’ll donate the full inheritance to charity.

[@cynthiavalencia724]

@@saraheerie I wasn't fooled... I know that was the point. Of course they want the inheritance. It's not their fault she died. But they think he killed her so he shouldn't get his portion.

[@cynthiavalencia724]

@@saraheerie i don't think they were ever considering donating ALL OF IT.

[@saraheerie]

Cynthia Valencia I don’t think you understand what I was implying. They do not actually think he killed her. They want to make it seem that way because they want the money. That’s it. They throw around the “donate” and “charity” words because they are trying to appear to be genuine with their suspicion, when they truly are just using him as a way of getting their hands on all that money. It’s pretty obvious that they think pinning a crime on an autistic person is gonna be their ticket to millions of dollars. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they all also killed their father and tried to pin it on Nathan too.

[@ccss9827]

I'm on the autism spectrum, and its true that people treat us differently. I'm high functioning, but somehow I've always managed to leave wrong first impressions with people and because of it, I really don't have a group of friends. Its hard to be autistic in a society that doesn't understand or respect you, even fears you.

[@allisonpettyjohn5342]

My dad and brother are on the spectrum. It is so true that they can be demonized and I am so sorry you have to go through that. Much love.

[@KendallRae]

This is very common, seen it happen to others too :( Im sorry for your experience. Society needs more education on autism.

[@DanceLouisDance]

I have autisitic family and yea it makea me mad when people act like hes a threat or that hes not smart. People need to educate themselves.

[@barbaradelauz5427]

💕

[@toveengdahl6396]

Same

[@ZoeySamDianeLeve]

Kendall's channel is the warm house on youtube that always has a smoking chimney and hot tea brewing somewhere

[@tamerilee]

Zoey Leve Shes a Taurus, it’s her brand ✨

[@noodlesauce2553]

This comment is weirdly accurate

[@ashleyyyx2355]

Wow I couldn’t have said it better myself

[@sarahwoodward4453]

Also with tons of warm fuzzy blankets

[@KathleenLights]

Lol I love this

[@kayla3751]

Maybe I’m just used to being around people on the spectrum and recognizing their nuances, but it really annoys and confuses me that so many people claim Nathan didn’t show emotion. If anything, a lot of these clips of him sounded like he was trying to keep a grip on his emotions. “Have you seen my mom” just breaks my heart.

[@Jadeikens]

Exactly he seems extremely emotional to me! But both my husband and brother are autistic so I’m used to seeing those things

[@Jas13579]

My sister is autistic,and she can't really articulate "normal" emotions properly. I fully believe the only people that find him guilty are those who have never met a autistic person,or known them personally.

[@jennifertaylor2308]

Kiyo Najima This is true, 100%! I’m sure they don’t mean to sound ignorant, but their accusations against him show they don’t truly know what it means to have Aspergers.

[@alliewithbooks]

I was thinking the same exact thing. Literally broke my heart watching the clips of him talking about it and how his family has abandoned him.

[@krypey]

yeah if one of my friends was acting like this, I’d assume they had gone through something extremely traumatic. maybe it’s because i am autistic that i feel that way. I just hate how ppl view us as emotionless, they think of emotions in such a simple way like “tears = sad”. Just because he didn’t cry doesn’t mean he wasn’t incredibly sad

[@eep0128]

I've seen SO many videos on this case. My son has Asperger's Syndrome. I fear for him EVER having to interact with police, bc they DON'T have proper skills in dealing with those on the spectrum.

[@denisebenedict6102]

Me too!!! Why don't Police get education on Autism?? I have a sticker on my car that identifies : A passenger in my car has ASD... they may not respond appropriately w/o a family member present.

[@eep0128]

@@denisebenedict6102 Where did you get the sticker? I'd love to have one! Brilliant idea! Of course, they still need to do better, but that helps.

[@melissam597]

They should always bring experts in to interview people with an ASD

[@thenerdygirlblog]

Same! Not just police too, I feel like everyone should be more educated about people on the spectrum and their behaviours.

[@Carrjacked]

Me too! I worry about this as well

[@lorrainephonsavanh1393]

The only time he shows emotion is when he says, "I don't hate my aunts." That choked him up a little. I don't think he did it. I think he is hurt by how they are treating him.

[@lati337]

I think the family members are upset that Nathan is getting all the money and it’s jealousy . How the heck do you not go to your sisters memorial. I don’t care if there’s people you don’t want to see there, but if it’s your sister you don’t care and you go.

[@lcdc_azuralie]

@@lati337 I also think that they didnt like him cause of his autism and so pointing their fingers at him is easier cause they don't like him and don't accept him in the family.... Just a theory though

[@mrs.shithead2264]

@@lcdc_azuralie I absolutely agree with you.

[@crystal2016]

​@@lcdc_azuralie NO I ABSOLUTELY THINK THIS IS THE CASE. The only reason I think they used to be "close" was because they were slowly manipulating him and forming a relationship with him to hopefully get some of the money. Taking advantage of him in a way.

[@tauntingwind]

Yah I agree

[@hanahladenburger1072]

When my grandma passed away i got her necklace that she had worn for 30 years and all 3 of my aunts haven't spoken to me since. Family not speaking to/liking other family members does not prove that someone is guilty :/ i am very torn

[@katierose5248]

This doesn’t make sense it’s so off topic...

[@Pepper7653]

When my grandma died, she had a note leaving ALL of her jewelry to me. Including her wedding rings. Well my uncle is throwing a fit about it. When as soon as he graduated college, he left for California and only came home once every few years. My family did everything for her, took care of her, redid her house for her. Everything. And he was always saying it wasnt good enough. Yet he wouldnt come home to do it himself. Family is literally the worst.

[@alibaebee7675]

agreeed and ive had very similar jewelry situations in my family :( hope it all works out for youu lovely!!

[@KhanMann66]

Yep same thing happened with my family. Grandma passed away and the aunts and uncles started fighting over her inheritance. Half don't even speak to one another. Literally civil war but cold.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

@@katierose5248 No it's not lol...her point was family not liking or speaking to other family members after a death doesn't mean anything.

[@astrodaiseaa9316]

The fact that the aunts think he murdered the grandfather and mother means nothing since money is involved. Family members turn into the most greedy, disgusting liars when money is involved. It is true when a boat sinks it happens in literally a second, and so Nathan's account could be true. His aunts just want ALL of the money. That's all.

[@MarlaSingersCancer]

Yup, sounds like they all want the money to themselves.

[@lillianbrand1728]

How right you are!!! Greedy mongrels!!!

[@elizabethlovesyt882]

Yep. Notice how they are the only ones saying they deserve all the money and he deserves none. Meanwhile, he is fine with sharing the money with them. Because he’s not the greedy one.

[@taryntyler1606]

He has finally been arrested for the murder of his mother and his grandfather

[@christysdeals4u]

@@taryntyler1606 oh oh please share link

[@JennyMorash]

I would be interested to know what his relationship with his aunts were like prior to all of the starting. The fact that they’re not speaking to him is not proof of guilt. Not that you said it was. Family can be very odd sometimes. Especially where inheritance is concerned.

[@bryanna0222]

Jenny M. I believe Kendall said they were close.

[@Sophia-ks9yu]

Bryanna Goldman still people do some crazy shit when money is involved. Sometimes the people closest to you will stab you in the back. I honestly don’t think we have enough information about them to know

[@bryanna0222]

Soap oh I agree

[@Presca1]

Perhaps they want their own cut of the inheritance themselves and so they have their own agenda in blocking him. Just a thought.

[@LoveLaw]

Yeah and also - family of an autistic person may find it hard to relate to him and they propably always did so through his mom as mediator. Since she isn’t there anymore maybe they don’t know how to communicate with him.

[@ameelaamber1927]

This should be a series, accident or Murder.

[@thaleiasarafianou]

yesss or like guilty or innocent that could work too

[@morganemma6672]

110%!!!!!!

[@KaitlinKalLee]

That’s be a great title 👏🏼 I don’t know what to think with this one tbh.

[@unprocessed_life]

nah that soujnds like it could be exploitive and putting a bad perspective on crime. there are already many cases where the public hurts things

[@KatelynDawn]

YAAAAAAS

[@sarahrose9142]

Am I the only one who doesn’t think he seems very cold or calculating? I understand what Kendall was saying about how people with autism can struggle in social situations, but given how especially stressful all of that media attention must have been, I still thought Nathan came across as sincere and heartbroken. I felt like I could see sadness in his eyes. It must have been incredibly difficult for him to talk to all of those people. I feel like he is being genuine when he speaks

[@linziRyan1965]

Sarah Rose I agree 100 percent

[@marolynjackson499]

seriously! this whole situation is really difficult to judge, making my head hurt

[@jherlenecargill4081]

I agree. As a health professional who has dealt with children with Autism (I know Nathan is not a child) I see what you’re saying. I do believe that there were mistakes that he made unknowingly that made the boat sank. One thing that was not reported was if Nathan’s mom could swim or not... Cause if you think about it, let’s say that hypothetically she doesn’t know how to swim or is not good at it, she may have panicked and drowned. First rule of thumb when drowning or just simply in the water, don’t panic. With all that’s happening, Nathan also panics, get the life boat going and then searches for his mom. Autistic people tend to think of themselves first, then others. His behavior and the order of events are not surprising for someone like him. Also, autistic kids tend to be very truthful in regards of how they feel, that’s why we see how genuine he seems.

[@cass4457]

I feel that after something so emotional, theres no 'right' way to react. after emotional exhaustian, i am cold/reserved even when i dont want to be

[@sarahrose9142]

Cassy890 that’s a great point!

[@Blessedboymama]

Being a mama of a child on the spectrum, this breaks my heart. My worst fear is me passing and my son having no one to turn to. I don’t think this young man did anything beside being guilty of being different 💔

[@lavenderlovee]

Lol, No he actually did it and got arrested 😂

[@itslaylaplays.8869]

I agree with you! I’m glad your son has such a compassionate and loving mama ❤️

[@camillelahaye3585]

I feel so bad for him… 😭

[@staceyowens6700]

Well, the court charged him with murder - but he remained adamant that he was innocent until he committed suicide in his cell. Apparently he left a note that has not been released. I think the entire charge came from the belief that he 'fixed' the boat to sink... but did he? Just because he was charged dose not mean he is guilty. It could be falsely accused. He was also charged with the murder of his grand father, but i do not know the detials of that.@@lavenderlovee

[@HeidyRevolorio]

I think the family is trying to pin this on him. I think it’s sad that his family is so against him. Everyone grieves differently. When my father passed away tragically it made me very cold.

[@rebeccalasky6109]

I totally agree I just thought that too. I speculate the aunts did i t they could have easily stolen his rifle and tampered with the boat.

[@savannahjones-verity3308]

Agree, everyone grieves differently. I went thr same just cold, didn't show any emotion. You think he's fa.ily would want to be more understanding

[@shakeralewinuncut7189]

Same. I didnt cry until at his burial I literally broke down. Not to mention hes autistic. As kendall said many times because he wasnt brought up socially. He's cold. A bit. I truly think he's innocent.

[@cmartm]

I think the family wants the money, even if they have a lot they want more, and that is the reason they are blaming him

[@Steph-412]

It's sad because they seem to judge him on his personality and behavior, probably never taking the time to understand that his behavior is "typical" for someone on the spectrum. A lot of people on the spectrum struggle building relationships with friends and even family members simply because those people don't take the time to understand or accept.

[@janeleboeuf]

My mom died 8 years ago and her enTIRE family, with whom I'd NEVER had issue, ditched me AND my dad. That family thing bothered me.

[@lnd.ventra5162]

Me too sis family will turn on you once someone’s gone :/

[@banderas2000]

sorry to hear that. i was adopted into a family ans always felt n was treated different. the "family" never reaches out, visits ect except 1 or 2 but i dont see them as family. im pretty much solo

[@sailorluna4000]

Jane LeBoeuf after my mom died in 2009 we haven’t seen or talk to her brothers since

[@skeleton_pawz]

Blood family will almost always betray you in the end

[@savannahjones-verity3308]

Sorry to hear that. I'm in a similar situation. Never hear from them at all, never came to help or ask how any of my other relatives were but the moment my nan died. "I want this and I want that" "it my right, I'm "family" I find when a relative dies everyone's true colours come out.

[@nicolesmith2782]

“i need to close my door” lmfaooo he shut her down

[@rachelrose3573]

Honestly king. I and most of us i think would be so awkward about being upfront and shutting those invasive people down, but he was super objective, straightforward and it did work. I gotta take a page outta his book tbh.

[@Truth-fk3vp]

Nicole Smith He he didn't say that , he'd still be there ...

[@sarahakbar9763]

For someone diagnosed with a syndrome he is less socially awkward than me 😂😭 I loved that part hahaha

[@aqua_finessa6030]

@@Truth-fk3vp exactly 😅

[@aqua_finessa6030]

Lol! I laughed out loud at that one

[@rinkagamine1621]

He didn’t do it. I totally believe that he was hyperfixating on fixing the boat and didn’t realise it was sinking until it did… and by then it was too late to call for help. It’s a very common thing among those on the spectrum. Honestly I have no idea what happened to the mum… but I’m sure she’d be devastated to hear that her family has shut him out like this. My heart goes out to this poor boy.

[@taraacs]

I also think he was hyperfixating on his fishing plans, which caused him to not fully consider his boat’s/boat repair’s capabilities. Very sad but in no way did he murder her in my opinion.

[@lavanderpham6677]

Ok, but I wonder why the mother did not press the bottom to ask for help? Probably because she was death by then

[@madelynescholp2390]

@@lavanderpham6677 I think that its possible if he was hyper focusing on the issue and possibly panicking about it sinking that maybe when he was having an anxiety attack she was going to try and calm him down and he may have pushed her and if it was in a location close enough to the edge she could have hit her head which would have knocked her unconscious and she could have drowned and he may have just blacked out during the panic attack and not realized what happened. I dont know much about this specific case entirely or how he functions on a day to day basis but I know for my little brother who is on the spectrum sometimes when he is having an anxiety attack and is overstimulated it can cause him to act a little erratic.

[@taryntyler1606]

He has finally been arrested for the murder of his mother and his grandfather. There was a lot of info missing from this video but I was afraid to speak up much about it because he was living right up the road from my dad and he had hand written my dad some very aggressive letters once before. My dad owns an excavation company and Nathan asked him to give him estimates of some work that needed to be done. My dad then received a 3 page hand written letter going off saying things like “how dare you come to my property and tell me what needs to be done with it” and “who the hell do you think you are?” Just the fact that something as small as that made him fly into such a rage shows that he had a lot of screws loose.

[@rebeccajones4617]

@taryntyler1606 ​Am on the spectrum and one small then can make me go of, but I would not hurt anyone.

[@mrs_maverick1121]

As someone who has a child that is on the spectrum, I'm not surprised that he didn't think to use the radio, he was probably hyper focused on "fixing" the problem, this is extremely typical of those on the spectrum... I fully believe this was an accident and he is telling the truth

[@mrs.shithead2264]

My son too, and I was thinking about his serious social anxiety. He was probably already scared, so the idea of calling someone/using the radio probably just gave him so much anxiety he didn't do it and turned his effort to a different solution. I honestly don't find it weird at all that he didn't try to contact any one in any way in the moment. Way too much input and sensory overload.

[@naesecret5113]

It's so upsetting how people are treating him, he's been so strong through all of this, I can't imagine how this entire ordeal has been affecting him, especially now he has no family on his side

[@LoudLilDucky]

Ya they usually have one track mind. They have something they want to do or is going it’s like hyper focused on the one thing at that time. Not good with multitasking

[@corrin8400]

So then what about the grandpa how he was murdered and Nathan was the last person to be with him alive and have the same gun that killed him and then it was “missing”

[@wordivore]

@@corrin8400 Somebody else could've taken Nathan's gun and used it.

[@joshuaferguson698]

Inheritance is such an easy motive, just because somebody has a rich parent doesn’t mean they want them dead. He was already living at home with his mom so he’d have nothing to gain by murdering her and inheriting her estate. Plus his mom was the only person he had in the world, why would he want her dead?

[@corrin8400]

He actually would have $7 million to gain and could go to whatever he wanted and live wherever he wanted

[@whitneyhesmer6648]

@@corrin8400 do you know someone autistic? They don’t care about money. 🙄

[@corrin8400]

@@whitneyhesmer6648 so every single autistic person doesn’t care about money there’s no exceptions nice

[@kuchikiara1830]

@@corrin8400 Well, the man being autistic doesn't mean he couldn't kill, but it makes judging some of his reactions in the way you'd look at a neurotypical person's reactions, so it's something to consider.

[@lisalap5975]

There's more to this story

[@brooke-lynnxo]

I don’t know being stranded for 8 days and the possibility of dying at sea seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to murder your mom 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@nataliyanabakova7419]

Agreed. Risking his own life to kill someone??

[@laura987123]

For sure!

[@kiameshayoung4467]

Thats wat im saying

[@susiechoban1542]

Yes. And he wasn’t out there on the raft for 8 days, so... :)

[@makiroll218]

Keep in mind that he's autistic so his mind might not have thought the way other people's does. I don't mean to sound rude , I'm just saying maybe he didn't think the same way others would have

[@Leradelie]

One of my grandsons has Autism. I have read, " If you know a person who has Autism, you know one person who has Autism." Each person is different. Autism amazes me because it is so hard to understand. I don't believe he did anything to hurt his grandfather or mother, and certainly didn't murder them. He also did really good in the communicating, and I think it was terrible that the family chose not to go to the memorial service. It was for his mother, not for him. Just so sad.

[@mmhr7731]

I dated someone with Aspergers for over 4 years...to me his speech sounds genuine and actually pretty normal for someone on the autism spectrum. I don't think he's lying and this was really sad to watch.

[@rutgerhauerfan]

Not saying he's innocent or guilty, because I can't tell, but I think I heard his voice waver in one of the interviews; like he was on the verge of tears. From what I know of my own diagnosis, faking emotions like that can be very hard for people with Aspergers/Autism.

[@rachelrose3573]

Yessss I’ve had a classmate on the autism spectrum and Nathan’s way of speaking was very aligned with the way this classmate used to talk. He couldn’t understand irony or figure of speech at all and was really good with everything related to math and physics. He was very assertive and objective and couldn’t be untruthful. I saw those same traits in Nathan.

[@thesecretwindowspot1298]

My brother has Aspergers and we lost our mom over 10 years ago. I feel Very sad for Nathan and i dont think he did it at all. I wasnt crying on my moms funeral and same with my brother. I was mostly shock and was in alot of thoughts and thought about so many things in my life because ive been steuggling with depression for many years. But i love my mom. People react differently. If nathan saw this. I Wish him all the love in the world and all the happiness💜💜💜

[@i.am.heather]

My daughter is on the spectrum... I don’t think he did it. His speech is normal and people with autism have a hard time understanding abstract ideas, like death. That can explain most of his behavior.

[@chloereast6861]

My step brother is on the spectrum and he reminds me very much of him, especially the way he speaks. There is no doubt in my mind that he is innocent, there is no way he would be able to keep up a lie like that.

[@jasminschanel5887]

I almost cried when I heard not many showed up to the memorial, like that's so sad 😢

[@adeola1]

That got me too. It's really sad!

[@thelovelyone7737]

True even if Nathan did have something to do with the boat sinking her family should of shown up for HER at least and treated Nathan with a innocent until found guilty attitude he is her son

[@jdeane9292]

Ikr I felt so bad and my heart goes to him I think he is innocent

[@alexfuller2865]

It was sad.

[@alexfuller2865]

@Samuel Montoya Paniagua Ouch that is true.

[@M3GPie]

His speech doesn’t seem cold to me. It just seems awkward and uncomfortable. It’s also hard for me to believe that he would kill the only person that he really had in his life for social interaction. I feel bad for him.

[@BK-eo9dr]

I agree

[@NauticaHuddleston]

I agree with you

[@pauld6400]

The grandad incident is sketchy as fuck last person to see him. Can’t find his gun. Took out his car gps system. No Alibi for where he was the night his grandad died

[@poeticjustice7371]

Thats what I just said too !🥺😭😭😔

[@datwutup2]

Ok feel bad for a murder. He did it

[@HADLEY216]

Sounds to me like someone in the family has been after the inheritance for years and it ain't him! 🧐

[@yeetskeet3959]

The aunts seem real sus...

[@westleyjay]

@@yeetskeet3959 yes, I agree! They just want that money, they want him out of the way.

[@infnityonhigh]

i agree. i could see someone in his family telling him to make those “repairs” and it would help the boat somehow. they expected them both to die at sea so they could get the inheritance but he survived so now they’re trying to pin it on him.

[@suef9288]

What about his dad and him ?

[@AliValentine143]

I kinda see that side too. His Mom and him seem like vulnerable people. If his case ever went to court I'd argue a "jury of his peers" would be others HFA, workers, family of HFA who better understood his social communications.

[@caro1997cc]

I’m surprised they didn’t try to recreate how the boat sank from Nathan’s testimony? Maybe that would explain if it could really sink as fast as he said

[@Luthien_0]

I was thinking this too. It seems odd that it sank so fast, but there weren't any experts commenting on whether that's even possible.

[@8806Erika]

@@Luthien_0 some boats sink extremely quickly...minutes even. Not sure if that's what happened here but even if it sank fast, why wouldn't she have tried to swim. She wouldn't have immediately sunk to the bottom unless she was caught on something on the boat 🤔

[@brookemckinley9044]

Carolina Cabrera I would think that’s something his defense lawyers would do if he gets charged and goes to court

[@madelynnmunn7704]

It’s definitely very possible. Think about how fast the titanic sank! A 52,000 ton ship sank in under 2 hours so it is more than likely true that his little fishing boat sank in just minutes.

[@angelbrumfield6134]

A boat can Definitely sink that fast

[@FL0730]

So the way he describes the sinking is accurate to how boats sink. They don’t sink slowly until the final tip gently dips below the surface like they do in movies. The boat will take on water until it’s buoyant force is zero. The more water that enters the boat, the lower the buoyant force will get until there is more ocean than boat to keep buoyant and it will sink FAST (think of when you were a kid in the bath and you would hold a cup in the water and slowly let the water in until it suddenly sank). It’s perfectly reasonable and not even that unlikely for the boat to swallow his mother if she was helping him try to fix the engine and was below deck. It took the Titanic only 5 minutes to be completely below the surface but the entire sinking process was 2 hours and 40 minutes. And that’s the TITANIC. Their small little boat would have gone down quickly. Also, one thing people with Autism tend to have in common is their difficulty lying. They don’t feel emotions or social pressures the same as others and they often don’t feel the guilt that makes people lie, so they don’t. I think they were both inexperienced boaters and his mother babied him and wanted to do whatever to make him happy. I don’t think he intentionally killed her but his actions and decisions definitely contributed to the accident that did.

[@nikkinicole4990]

Lauren Hayes Yes, My brother has Aspergers and he’s told me a couple times that, he feels emotion and he feels guilt but he doesn’t see any reason to express them or act on them because it wouldn’t aid in the situation. He’s very logical and to him “crying doesn’t make the situation better” and neither does guilt when something is clearly an accident so he just doesn’t and he holds these emotions in. Obviously it’s good to cry now and then but it doesn’t fix anything when you think about it and that’s how he is, everything is very logical and he can come off as rude or sarcastic because of this so I definitely think that’s what happened in the interviews with how the sinking happened. Also my brother in particular laughs when he tries to lie, you just gotta give him a what I like to call “mom” or “teacher” look. but other people on the spectrum get nervous or fidget or tick so definitely not very good liars.

[@spookycloud]

Thank you for clarifying that. I figured a small boat would go down pretty fast, but I didn’t realize the titanic was under water in five minutes! Even if the boat took a few minutes to go down, it could have felt like an instant. My mom passed away unexpectedly in June and even though she was in the hospital for just over 3 days, it still feels like it all happened in the blink of an eye. When your brain is trying to process that level of trauma the timing can get lost in the mix.

[@chelseaxoxo784]

Please can someone explain what's the difference between a boat being below the surface and it sinking?

[@sdrkelley]

Chelsea xoxo Sinking would be the process of the boat starting to take in water and go down; being under the surface would be the end result of the boat sinking when the boat is completely under the water.

[@laura987123]

Awesome explanation! Getting yourself in a life raft when panicking in bad weather isn't all that easy either, did he even have a survival suit the Atlantic would have been freezing, how did he even survive swimming to the raft and not succumb to hypothermia? All manner of things go wrong when boats sink. I feel bad for Nathan I think he has to live with a lot of guilt and responsibility for his mother's death but I don't buy that he did it on purpose, unless he has nerves of freaking steel, this is an extremely risky way to murder someone.

[@shaunaestes579]

Nathan: “I’m going to drive off” Reporters: *rambling* Nathan: “I need to close my door” Idk why I thought this was so funny 😂😂

[@leahleiko7655]

shauna estes I was laughing too! It was pretty funny. I think because of his (nonchalantness) lol

[@ListenUpYouSpoiltBrat]

Same!!! I found it funny too 😂

[@ao7616]

shauna estes samee

[@eosornio1558]

thank god other people found it funny 😂

[@luna1400]

Same 😂

[@cakebby18]

His aunts being so sure that it was him is so suspicious to me. Not on Nathan, but on the Aunt's part. Sounds like they want everyone to suspect a certain someone so no one else is being looked into for the grandfathers murder. Also, murder weapons are hidden all the time. Who is to say that whoever murdered the grandfather didn't take the gun with them? This man ran away from home out of sadness when his horse died. He is innocent.

[@victoriastroud4820]

Also, knowing how a lot of people on the spectrum struggle to form relationships, the fact that he was so close with his grandfather means something. I don't think he would be able to kill him.

[@taryntyler1606]

He has finally been arrested for the murder of his mother and his grandfather

[@htraveller21]

I’m torn. There’s some weirdness for sure, but so much of his behavior is very typical of someone on the autism spectrum. Also, often times people with autism are demonized just because people don’t understand them.

[@nancystockwell7829]

Hannah Merrill, exactly. My 24 year old son is on the autistic spectrum, this type of case is somewhat unnerving...

[@user-nz9nf9ug2q]

same. i feel sorry him being judged so quickly due to his autistic traits but then again there are so many suspicious things that are hard to just push aside.

[@htraveller21]

rae that’s understandable. It’s interesting to hear the point of view from a local who likely has far more knowledge about this case, so thank you!

[@Corinthians1614]

rae What do you mean cash for murders he has committed?

[@Beebzinthehouse]

@@rae7158 I honestly think there was something to do with the aunts and they're involved in some way. I mean they have more motive for the money. Also my cousin is also high functioning autistic and seemed to have a similar situation to him with connection to his mother because it's hard for him to make friends. I don't know you can say this because you're local but I think there's way more to the story especially considering they're a rich ass family. I'm thinking the aunts are using his autism to their advantage and can claim that he's autistic and won't know how to handle the money.

[@lamb9770]

wait a minute. the case of the grandfather’s murder is actually really interesting and could be a whole separate video.. maybe the details of that could help give us more insight on this case.

[@happypenguin25]

I agree! I second a vote toward this video!

[@laura987123]

Yes that would really help flesh things out, I'd love to have some more background on the aunts as well?

[@ashleybrandenburger4665]

Yea I feel like he definitely didn’t kill his mom but idk about the grandfather.

[@pamengland7863]

Agreed 👋🏼

[@scifino1]

Yea. I mean, that may well explain why his family thinks he is capable of murder.

[@tara693]

experts: "there's no way that Nathan could have survived on that dinky ass raft" HAHAHAHA

[@ashleydickens24]

HAHA

[@jamieyaqoob8704]

He definitely killer her. Why didn’t he phone for help! And who leaves they mother on the boat. And 8 million life insurance. We all know what life insurance does to ppl. 😂😂

[@julz3tt3]

Also he drilled the holes....??

[@falynoliver81]

@@jamieyaqoob8704 it wasn't a life insurance policy. His mother had inherited part of her own father's estate.

[@alyssahamlett]

Anyone seen the i shohldnt be alive episode where the guy floated 76 days in the same raft ?

[@BeautyandBaby24]

Just ran here after I saw an article say he has been arrested as of Tuesday. I knew immediately I heard this story somewhere. I wonder what more they found to finally arrest him…

[@nayomigregory3471]

His story never changed. It stayed the exactly same the whole time, liars always trip up and he didn't.

[@nqqthing]

Only bad liars

[@frostythehoeman6969]

Not intelligent liars with logical minds who had time to rehearse...you can't say that all liars always trip up, lol how can you prove that? All dumb liars do, but the smart ones don't and that's why you don't know that.

[@damienthonk1506]

Not necessarily true, though l don't know if l believe if he killed his mom. This could've easily ended poorly, so definitely not the smartest scheme l must say.

[@MaryP74]

And not someone on the spectrum that could be/have obsessive compulsive disorder and and could obsessively tell that story over and over. I think if there were small non substantial changes to the story it make look more believable. Just a thought.

[@skye-annecollwell-smith9358]

Ppl with autism don't change their stories

[@lisatheobald9523]

I used to wait on Nathan and his Grandpa at a restaurant i worked. He had a special bond and would never ever hurt his Grandfather or Mother. I believe having Aspergers has had him so misunderstood.

[@jennifertaylor2308]

@Lisa Theobald Thank you so much for your perspective! I totally agree.

[@amberc.2137]

Thanks for letting us know this Lisa. I truly feel he didn't do anything. His aunts just want the money & are jealous of Nathan.

[@lisamarie58103]

❤

[@pearlsof5534]

Exactly everyone misunderstood him because of his aspergus

[@lisatheobald9523]

I often wonder how he is doing. He was so close to his Grandpa and quite close to his Mom. The remainder of his family has deserted him and its very hard to make friends with this social disorder. He was always so polite and even smiled at the way his Grandpa used to tease me demaining we serve corn! No one wanted to wait on them cuz the were so needy. But I enjoyed their uniqueness. Everyone has something to offer .

[@kiwikinzo_o]

as somebody with autism myself, i feel like i can understand him. i don’t think he did it, i just don’t think he can properly express his emotions nor does he want to around all these strangers and attention he’s getting. he needs time to heal, probably by himself

[@alexanepineau1737]

He needs support and no one seems help him, that is so sad.

[@sarahsmith-el8br]

wow, well hes certainly expressing his emotions and feelings in court by representing himself !!!! he is diagnosed high FUNCTIONING and very clever and manipulative, he capable of planning and explaining himself

[@charlieravin385]

sarah smith as someone with autism high functioning does not mean anything it’s just saying someone with autism can speak and most people with autism including me do not like terms like high functioning cause we all have the same brain functions

[@sarahsmith-el8br]

@@charlieravin385 Yes totally agree with you, sorry you do not like the term high functioning however people are using the term to try and describe Nathans abilities on the spectrum, as you can gather i do NOT think he even has autism, he comes across as a psychopath to me, even top barristers would not come out of a court after loosing a case and start going into detail about how they intend to appeal, but Nathan did without any friends/family or legal team to guide him. 1, He worked for his Grandad in his business as right hand man. 2, he was not spoilt or was he given alot of money before his Grandad died, Nathan lived in an average house with average car, 3. Nathan brought a shot gun the same as what killed his Grandad two weeks before shooting, that went "MISSING" as soon as the Grandad was murdered. 4, Nathan was the only person on CCTV seen entering and leaving Grandads property during the time he was shot, without the gun the police could not prosecute, as Nathans was always in/out the Grandads house as the office was there. 5, When Grandad dies, Nathan is then given money from his mum to buy luxury boat/cars. 6, Mummy dies in mysterious accident and Nathan inherits and gets the lot from his mum. 7, The rest of the family hire 24/7 bodyguards as fear Nathan will kill then for their inheritance they received. 8, When Nathan was a young man his horse died, no one says how, however the police put out a national bulletin to warn public to not approach him, this is because Nathan had a temper and was a danger to the public. 9, Nathan is no fool, he is extremely clever and can defend himself in a court of law and also run a multi million pound business on his OWN. 10, It is my belief Nathan hides behind the privately funded diagnosis's of autism to explain away his psychopathic behaviour. When i used the term "high functioning" its been in reply other comments people made towards me, as i mention above i do not think he even has it as his behaviour exhibits no signs at all on any level !. I do not know what you mean by "we all have the same brain functions", as we do not, everyone thinks differently, however there are certain behaviours and traits that can be categorised. I personally am offended and outraged that Nathan is so devious as to hide behind autism as NO ONE with autism has ever behaved or acts the way he does. The are people saying ridiculous things about Nathan like - i’m not lay the sequel 4 months ago as somebody with autism myself, i feel like i can understand him. i don’t think he did it, i just don’t think he can properly express his emotions nor does he want to around all these strangers and attention he’s getting. he needs time to heal, probably by himself I say - Nathan expressed himself well in court and in front of the cameras, Nathan initiated the court cases and attention and went back for an appeal, how "i’m not lay the sequel " can think poor Nathan is beyond me, but throw in the word autism and she's assumed "he cant properly express his emotions ", and "does he want to around all these strangers and attention he’s getting", his actions say differently, hes calling press conferences, then Nathan "he needs time to heal, probably by himself" Psychopaths can not be healed they just learn to fake it and hide there true intentions.

[@aliciajackson-hall8929]

Same here, having ASD is so hard sometimes

[@brookelol7507]

The aunts are all incredibly suspicious. It seems very clear to me that Linda’s death was an accident, but, at the very least, the aunts are definitely trying to set him up as a murderer to claim the inheritance for themselves, and who knows, they may know more about the death of his grandfather than they’re letting on. My heart goes out to Nathan. I hope he’s able to find some peace through all this.

[@kaetimm]

I believe him, especially when he says, “Have you found her?” Poor guy.

[@Red_Owl]

Even guilty people can ask those questions though, to make themselves not look guilty, so people feel bad for him. Why drill holes in a boat you're going to be using? He wasn't dumb. When I compare the actions or in-actions he took, it weighs heavy on the guilty scale. When things don't add it, it's bc somebody is usually lying.

[@pretzelmaker3122]

That specific sentence sounded so fake to me. Weird how different things sound so different to different people. His story seems off to me. He clearly loved her but I think there was an accident and he either couldn't or didn't save her while the boat was sinking. He didn't plan it, regardless. It's super weird that he would be in that area and somehow not be seen for over a week in a trafficked area. It's not impossible but super weird.

[@jessicaxx7163]

I get what u mean, but if your gonna ask that question why didn’t he say it when he first got on the phone to them 🤔 he said it midway through the conversation

[@sophiamcnamara9851]

Hes a good actor n clever nothing more and full.on guilty

[@sophiamcnamara9851]

@@Red_Owl totally agree hr is definitely guilty a good actor very clever....he drilled holes in the not come on people

[@unlovableghost]

This is super sad but also him saying "now i'm gonna drive off" mood tbh

[@LoreRock100]

he said it so politely too

[@linziRyan1965]

Loreyji I know I was like “aww 😞 “

[@JennaXena95]

People on the spectrum like routine and usually have to do a routine in a specific order or else they may get anxious or agitated, that’s why he said it that way to the reporters as it was obviously his routine for getting into his car.

[@followerofchrist510]

Nathan has NO TIME! Shoot he represented himself in Court...BYE! lol

[@shahbazmamdani]

I love how unbiased, open to debate and respectful you are of both the convict and the victim + families. Kudos to you for being U :)

[@KendallRae]

Thank you so much!! 😀

[@tommiegnosis]

he's not a convict...

[@linzerkylenewby9735]

I really don’t think it was intentional. His life isn’t better bc his mom is gone. There’s no way he could’ve known he’d be rescued by that random Chinese ship. And the family... hmmm... angry family member don’t want to share the inheritance with someone they view as different? Yeah, that never happens under any other circumstances ever! Ha! They don’t care about Linda, just her share of the money. The fact that they didn’t attend the memorial OR hold one of their own tells me enough.

[@taryntyler1606]

He’s finally been arrested for the murders. There was some important info missing in this video and I was nervous to speak up much about it until he was arrested, but his aunts literally hired people to sit at the top of my dads driveway just to make sure he didn’t drive down to Massachusetts in the middle of the night to murder them.

[@teodorasavoiu4664]

​@@taryntyler1606 i mean, just bc he was arrested doesn't mean that the people making judgements on the internet based on his autistic presentation were right to be suspicious of him. He didn't commit the murders bc he's atypical, and he wasn't acting weird just bc of the murders. At the end of the day most murderers aren't autistic, but just like most things, autistics can do pretty much anything that neurotypicals are capable of. And if he exhibited violent and threatening behaviour before, I would think he did those things bc he's a bad person with a bad temper, not bc of autism.

[@scouts-honor]

My brother is on the spectrum too and Nathan’s speech patterns and behaviors remind me of him so much. I believe him 100%. Thé interview where he says “it would be nice to have some family saying it’s nice to see you or to believe you. It makes me feel like I have no family”. That breaks my heart.

[@taryntyler1606]

He has finally been arrested for the murder of his mother and his grandfather

[@simplymarisa8]

Thank you for being respectful with this story. I have two sons on the spectrum and it's such a sad story all around.

[@raeanna451]

It sounds to me like they were both naive boaters. They overestimated their skill and it was accidental. I don't believe he did it.

[@LandenLaliberte]

What happened to his mom then? She just deliberately chose not to get on the raft and sink with the boat?

[@LandenLaliberte]

@@taryntyler1606 Whaaat can you make an anonymous account and come back and explain please?

[@LandenLaliberte]

@@taryntyler1606 DM me on insta pls jayplaliberte

[@taryntyler1606]

@@LandenLaliberte I did

[@thelanktheist2626]

@@LandenLaliberte She probably drowned on the boat and went under the body of water. She probably got her foot caught on something, that’s why she didn’t get on, or why theee isn’t a body yet.

[@CarleyTrammell]

Throwing my two cents in: 1. The mother on the boat -- if the boat was in an emergency scenario (sinking fast) two things are likely: first that he was hyper-focused on fixing the problem, which from my experience with neurodivergent friends and family usually means they miss very obvious solutions or other self-preservation things (think grabbing the hot burner you just used because you can only think about cleaning the stove - real thing that happened to me). Second that it is highly likely the boat lurched in some way, knocking the mother unconscious which would make it easy for her to get lost in the current and she wouldn't be able to respond to any of his calls. 2. I think the aunts are HIGHLY suspicious, and should definitely be looked into. From the information presented here, it sounds like they are greedy and see him as an easy fall guy. Mother dying on the boat was an accident (IMHO) and they are using the mystery as a scapegoat to get all of the money. It sounds like they never really liked him; and it sounds like he still cares for them in spite of everything. 3. Memory loss or confusion - especially in relation to time and activities - is fairly common in neurodivergent individuals. Not being able to establish an alibi in the case of the grandfather is not really suspicious to me. He may honestly not remember what he was up to in the time after; he didn't sound like he had many friends or family so no one else who can vouch; trauma has a habit of locking up even good memories. Obviously there may be things we don't know, and Kendall's right in saying that people with autism are also capable of murder, but I just don't think the facts line up this time.

[@elizabethlebron2608]

Nah there’s so many other ways to kill his mom if he wanted and he didn’t know that Chinese boat was gonna come

[@YurrahAlHadi]

I feel like that's the part is why I believe he is innocent. Unless someone was coming out everyday to check on him.

[@elizabethlebron2608]

Yurrah Al-Hadi yea I totally said yea at first but then I thought about this key detail

[@kvrchocolate2968]

Same thinking but I do feel some stuff he did was really sketchy. Like with the grandpa and also the drilling. Idk tho

[@xlnuniex]

There’s no way he set this up. The only reason this is even being looked at is due to the people that don’t understand aspergers. Thinking he acts suspicious

[@katrinamccoy3511]

Exactly. His family in my opinion is shit knowing he has it and expecting a different outcome actually feel bad for him

[@vbsmyth5527]

My son has Aspergers and he speaks the same way this man does. The akward mannerisms are just like my sons. I don't think he killed her on purpose. But either way it's not fair to judge him on the way he speaks and acts.

[@corrin8400]

@@vbsmyth5527 well what about the grandpa how are there two people murdered and he was the last person to be with both of them

[@4Tom4lepus4]

Like Kendall said, if he wanted to kill his mother, this would definitely not be the way to do it. He almost died himself and survived by sheer luck. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it was caused by a mistake he made or a stupid choice or whatever, but if this was premeditated murder, it was one of the worst plans I have ever seen.

[@alicegrey1089]

Well he just got arrested for two murders so

[@kristen8381]

"donate to charity" my foot. the aunts are thirsty for that money. I believe Nathan is innocent.

[@randomkeir]

^^This^^

[@eugeniapoole1344]

I wasn’t even thinking about that! Yeah I’m less in the split now

[@pretzelmaker3122]

I doubt it, but obviously there is no evidence. His grandfather's death is really irrelevant to this case. His mother being on a boat with him while it was sinking and somehow not noticing he grabbed a raft, threw it, and swam to it, is very hard to believe. There was no impact, no major issue to have knocked her unconscious and yet somehow she was JUST helping him and then didn't see him leave her there? Yeah, maybe, but highly suspicious either way. But since there isn't evidence to charge him, it is what it is.

[@chairk4119]

I totally agree.

[@relent-lass7510]

Agreed

[@sarahlovee1865]

Through my son I have realized that without me a lot of family doesn't reach out to him because they find it too difficult to try to have a relationship with him with his disabilities. If I died I'm sure there's a lot of people who would lose touch with him whether they thought he hurt me or not

[@meljstephan]

Here's my off the wall theory: Linda did kill her father. Nathan helped her cover it up. But something was going on that made her think she'd get caught, so she disappeared and the boat wreck was the cover up. She's moved on with a new identity and Nathan is covering for her. No? Probably not. At least she'd be okay??

[@daniellevictori906]

I like this theory!

[@floridabbyy]

I Ike this theory better than any!! Except the husband is dead 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@gaaraxnaru]

@@floridabbyy What husband?

[@gaaraxnaru]

My theory was that Linda did kill her father, Nathan knew or found out, and his anger steadily built up until he decided to kill her with this elaborate "boat accident" plan. But now I'm not sure if it was truly an accident or not. I just don't know.

[@subreniajohnson4509]

That's an interesting theory.

[@jay_thestorygirl]

His mother’s death was an accident and his grandfather’s a setup. He didn’t kill either of them. I feel very sorry for this young man.

[@mishaeljohnson328]

Jamie Hardeman i believe this too

[@sarahsmith-el8br]

wow what a fool you are then !

[@mishaeljohnson328]

sarah smith wow no one asked for ur opinion !

[@sarahsmith-el8br]

@@mishaeljohnson328 well hello ! this is the comment section for opionons on what you think, or are you telling me i can only comment if i agree with you, GROW up !!! pmsl

[@jay_thestorygirl]

Sarah, there’s no need to be disrespectful in how you voice your opinion. That’s all. I could be wrong about Nathan, but I doubt it. In general I have a very good intuition about people. I have been proven right, to my own surprise, more times than I can count. I’m not infallible though. But it would seem many people share my opinion

[@glist_gloom]

My son is Autistic and, although he is high functioning, I can't imagine how he would react in this situation. The "emotionless", calculating speech, and inaction in the situation is probably what he would do as well. Thank you for your sensitivity in your telling of this story💙

[@AriannaSimien]

Laura Bixby Hemingway My cousin is on the spectrum and yeah when he speaks about emotional stuff he’s apathetic and distances himself from whatever the situation is. In any sort of crisis he freezes up. Honestly my cousin would probably have the same reaction as Nathan. It’s a terrible tragedy, but I’m inclined to believe Nathan had no ill intentions and this was just a terrible accident.

[@peterbeadman2509]

My 26 year old, high functioning autistic son ( though has times when he is not functioning at all) has issues with the family because they decided that it was not going to be ok for him to visit his stepfather in critical care to say goodbye as his typical siblings did ( I was not involved in that decision, I'm using my friends device and am the mother of this child) he recently said to me he would never forgive me for him not being able to see my husband before he passed)

[@sarahelisekaiser8060]

I have worked with kids on the spectrum and definitely agree that I just see an autistic individual trying to process what had just happened in his life. I feel really bad for him

[@jenniferkeatts7839]

A lot of people seem to think that when an autistic person faces a major tragedy, they will just "snap" out of their autism and show emotions like typical people do when thats not at all how it works. Makes me wonder if the aunts didnt understand/have sympathy for autistic people

[@Guppyg53]

I wouldnt say all autistic people are "emotionless", but do tend to freeze up out of fear

[@MsDaniMarie02]

He seemed genuinely upset that his family didn’t come to her memorial service. I have a hard time believing that was an act.

[@sincerely.anasofia]

It's sad how he survived that accident and then people are blaming him

[@LandenLaliberte]

It just doesn't make sense how he managed to get on the raft and his mother didn't. How did they not get on the raft together?

[@Simplyjasmaine]

@@LandenLaliberte well since he’s on the spectrum it can be hard for him to understand unlike me and you who are “normal” i understand where u are coming from since my brother is like Nathan but kind of different but similar at the same time.

[@LandenLaliberte]

@@Simplyjasmaine Right, I just don't think him being on the spectrum is a factor in any of this... If he was able to get on the raft himself then he was able to determine that staying on the boat would be dangerous so you would think he would have helped his mother get on the raft. Why would she stay on a sinking boat? It just doesn't make sense as to why she never got on the raft, there has to be reason why she did not survive and he did.

[@Simplyjasmaine]

@@LandenLaliberte well since he said he repaired the boat and it had holes and he said she went under. Depending on how fast the boat sink and where he was located which to me seem like he was at the top so he would very much just grab a raft and jump into the ocean. Also, since he is autistic you have to take that into consideration like my brother he has it so i understand if you wouldn’t understand the different way he would react in this situation then us “normal” people.

[@lettah4210]

@@Simplyjasmaine Autism doesn't mean you can't think and reason or have less intelligence than everyone else does. It does mean that you can lack empathy and emotion and communication skills. I know this personally.

[@Minkfang]

The way he talks doesnt sound sociopathic it sounds like high functioning autism

[@dat1giraffe865]

Alyssa Black my sister has autism n i’ve also taken care of other kids with autism n they either show a lot of emotion or not at all so this makes sense his “lack of emotion” my sister lashes out a lot but a boy I took care of wouldn’t show any emotion he wouldn’t show his sadness or anger n that’s very common the difference between a sociopath n a person w autism is that they fs can feel it but they might not show it

[@kaifisshhh]

Let’s just take a minute to realize that BEING EMOTIONALLY NUMB OR COLLECTED IN RESPONSE TO TRAUMA IS A VERY NATURAL RESPONSE

[@thebackgardenfarmer8385]

Exactly, fight or flight! Even in neurotypical people Some become withdrawn and shut down emotionally. This poor guy is neurodivergant on top of the natural human fight or flight response. I really feel for him, I have a personality disorder and my reactions and way I speak don't fit societies idea of normal

[@matthewstone1465]

@@thebackgardenfarmer8385 me too! i have bpd, and adhd and i have issues having with responses typically when it is a not good situation, i often seem cold and shit because i have apathy/empathy issues, and like, the way i feel and will talk dont "fit it" and my brother is on the specturm, i feel for nathan so much. between the fact that its trauma and hes neurodivergent i wouldnt expect him to be crazy emotional and whatnot

[@whitneypea]

This case makes me sad as a mother with an autistic son. They are just so misunderstood. I don’t think he hurt his mother.

[@camillelahaye3585]

I agree. So sad

[@mistydoramus512]

The family does not always know the person best. My family is cruel to my son who is on the spectrum but they know nothing about him. Just because someone is family does not mean they actually know someone.

[@jennifertaylor2308]

@Misty Doramus That’s the Truth

[@krypey]

Couldnt have said it better myself

[@Lostmyspoons]

This

[@melissabryanmills7733]

Totally agree

[@carolinalobato645]

In this case family wasn't cruel to him, on the contrary

[@LaNa-vx1gp]

He didn’t kill his mom. He just doesn’t react how everyone wants. He would be risking so much I mean being on a raft for 8 days not knowing if he’d be rescued... no way. I really don’t think he did it. And sometimes when there’s a death or trauma it can rip a family apart or bring them together.

[@sharcrum]

I think there are a few things that point to him

[@cdd4248]

Agreed!

[@lesliearriaga2517]

Shar Crum he didn't kill her, stfu

[@GameBearCartridge]

i have autism and i just want to say thank you kendall, for recognizing that just because we may not behave or show emotions in the "right" way according to people without autism, that does not automatically mean we are guilty or suspicious. i personally do not express emotions and such in typical ways, and it has caused me a lot of grief over my life. seeing one of my favorite youtubers take the time to acknowledge that autistic people can express things in ways that may seem suspicious to most people but really are not a reliable way to measure if one is 'guilty' or not thank you kendall, this video was really interesting as well

[@noranash280]

Raedbyr love to you ❤️❤️ i hope you have supportive people in your life and i wish you the best.

[@GameBearCartridge]

Nora G thank you 💖 i’m blessed to have a wonderful and supportive family and friends

[@andrealong4948]

Well said hun!

[@ambertillman2881]

My brother has autism and cases like this make me so afraid to let him out of my sight! People with autism have patterns and thought processes that may not make sense to your average person. It is easy for them to feel overwhelmed and anxious . I also noticed Nathan’s story never changed. Why would Nathan kill the only person he had in this world? It’s incredibly heartbreaking. He literally has no one now.

[@jennifertaylor2308]

@Amber Tillman My thoughts exactly. So sad

[@dogadelrey]

people on the spectrum also tend to be extremely honest. i feel like if he was lying he’d break at one point

[@naivenitara]

Yes, SOME people on the spectrum tend to be very honest. Or very intelligent. Or very detail oriented. But it's called a spectrum for a reason. It means not everyone with ASD will be forthright and honest. Just a thought. No disrespect.

[@i_7274]

Yeah exactly, like his story would change at some point

[@AutsiticAlien007]

Yes, I am on the spectrum and I can’t lie to save my soul.

[@rosep7259]

“I’m gonna drive off now...” “I need to close my door-“ WHY WAS THIS SO FUNNY LMAOO

[@heartendesignstudio]

This part is me trying to leave people's house & they keep talking lol.

[@samanthabrooke96]

Omg I’m glad I’m not the only one that cracked up at that part

[@fattychoccie]

@@heartendesignstudio I HATE THAT TOO!! 🤣 when they ask a last minute question when you're already halfway out of the door... ARGH

[@ath3na.64]

I live with my mom and always end up leaving the house like that lmao She always has to have a conversation with me as I'm walking out the door xD

[@rosep7259]

Nicole Knipes Ommggg Ikr like lemme leave I don’t even like you that much

[@jennifershepp]

How are we just skipping past the fact that his GPS from his car and his hard drive from his computer AND his gun are just gone after his grandfathers murder? And he was the last one to see him alive? This whole thing is sketchy as hell I genuinely don’t know what to think.

[@rudyflores7843]

Jennifer Sheppard yeah it had to have been him, there’s no way

[@okpay79]

Thank youuuu! I've been scrolling looking for someone to say this! All I see are people with autism or their family members have autism and they are saying they cant lie good at all and that they feel bad for him and he just cant show emotion or react to this situation properly. I'm sitting here screaming!!! What about all the shady ass evidence against him!? The hunt magically was lost!? The chances of losing a gun are so rare! Unless you have a wild life with tons of sketchy people around you who may steal it from you...or you carry the gun everywhere and just set it down and left it. But I dont think Nathan was like this at all. I dont believe he just LOST the gun and then never made a police report. Also the hard drive and stuff...he got rid of it!? Why? Because he had shit to hide! And the holes he drilled in a BOAT before they left!? You only drill holes in a boat to sink it. Period. Hes no boat expert so he had no business "working" on a boat and making changes to it. He only knew that drilling holes would sink it. I honestly believe hes way smarter than people give him credit for. I think hes got a killer mind and he killed his grandpa and then killed his mom. I believe hes manipulative and has everyone fooled and feeling bad for him. I watch just about every crime show and nothing surprises me anymore. I totally believe hes smart and capable of murder and lying and manipulating. Just because some kids with autism cant lie to save their life...doesnt mean this kid is the same. He may be the best liar in the world. Let me add that I HOPE I'm wrong!

[@reese1337]

Linda and her sisters all passed a polygraph test, but Nathan refused to cooperate with investigators. When police searched his apartment seven months after his grandfather’s murder, they found a gun locker in his bedroom closet with a Remington shotgun and a pellet gun, neither of which was linked to the murder. But the next day, they got their biggest break in the case: Before his grandfather was killed, they discovered, Nathan had purchased a Sig Sauer Patrol 716 assault rifle, which was the same caliber as the gun used to kill Chakalos. When police asked Nathan why he hadn’t told them about the assault rifle, he said he’d forgotten about it. When they asked him where it was, he said he’d lost it.

[@shelbyandblush]

100% That is exactly what my thoughts are.

[@sierrarenee9701]

Also I can’t remember if it was mentioned but did they find out what kind of gun was used to kill the grandfather and compared it to the type of gun Nathan owned?

[@stephanieandtoki]

the sisters seem suss to me. their only remaining, wealthy parent dies under suspicious circumstances. then they start blaming the inheritor of their sisters money for her death when the circumstances just aren’t suspicious enough to point fingers at nathan. my hearts breaking for him. it doesn’t make sense why he would want his mother dead when she was all he really had and he already lived with her anyway. plus she clearly was happy fo support him however he wanted eg the boat and horses.

[@sarahchillomg2946]

Okay but like... who stands to gain the most here? This autistic dude is now without the two family members in his life that he cared about the most/was closest to. He's now in a very vulnerable position because he doesn't have their support. Call me crazy, but I feel like this guy's being set up to some degree. I don't think anyone would plan a murder at sea that could potentially result them being stranded, and this situation reads to me as the family taking advantage of the fact that homeskillet's support system is gone. Yeah his PR could use some work, but that doesn't make him guilty of murder, and to me it looks way more like it's about the money for his aunts than for him.

[@tourmii]

I agree I think his aunts set him up!!

[@amirrhodesve791]

maybe thats what he wants people to think just because his on the autism spectrum you get treated differently

[@aoifexshan]

This was my thought process exactly!

[@CapitanNaufrago]

He stands to gain a lot of $$$$$$

[@TheLeastOfficialOfBros]

That makes the most sense honestly. He doesn’t stand to gain very much besides money at the end of the day and all he seems to want is just some love from his family.

[@ItsMia4]

If the boat had “holes” in it, wouldn’t the boat start to fill with water before they got all the way out on to the water??

[@Staysafe111]

Mia Day exactly what I was thinking too!

[@thesexynun1749]

Yes!!-!

[@amberlynne3243]

What if he drilled those holes, put the putty so it wouldn’t sink right away and when they got far into sea he killed his mom and threw her over, then poked those putty holes with an item that can pierce threw it, let it sink, jumped on the raft and luckily got help, maybe he didn’t think the ocean would be that dangerous out? There’s a chance he didn’t think about it all the way through.

[@NatalieMarie917]

Mia Day he filled them with putty

[@sky-ms3eb]

unless they were really big it would take a while for the boat to fill up

[@akemiknowsbest3671]

Sounds to me like his family is trying to abuse the fact that he's on the spectrum, and trying to pull the wool over his eyes. He seems like he has a really strong head on his shoulders, and it's very unfortunate that he is being accused of some very serious things. My heart goes out to him.

[@carlosidelone8064]

But his mother didn't have autism, so what was she doing this whole time on the boat ? It was a very small boat, so she must have been there, when he launched the life raft. Just because he has "Aspergers" doesn't mean he's not a psychopath,

[@poeticjustice7371]

Yesssss yes!

[@HeatherE303]

@@carlosidelone8064 right and also, if he has a really strong head on his shoulders, he’s smart enough to commit murder twice.

[@alicegrey1089]

He just got arrested for two murders

[@taryntyler1606]

He has finally been arrested for the murder of his mother and his grandfather. There was a lot of info missing from this video but I was afraid to speak up much about it because he was living right up the road from my dad and he had hand written my dad some very aggressive letters once before. My dad owns an excavation company and Nathan asked him to give him estimates of some work that needed to be done. My dad then received a 3 page hand written letter going off saying things like “how dare you come to my property and tell me what needs to be done with it” and “who the hell do you think you are?” Just the fact that something as small as that made him fly into such a rage shows that he had a lot of screws loose.

[@pixelatedponies]

"Nathan, you've been through so much. How have you been these last couple weeks?" "How was the service?" This is the respectful reporting I like to see

[@Geronimo2Fly]

He bought a gun, he "lost" it, and the same type of gun was used to kill his grandfather. Isn't it just as likely--or possibly more likely--that someone who knew he had the gun stole it from him and killed his grandpa with it in order to frame him? It seems like he loved his grandpa very much and I just don't see the motivation there. It also seems like he had a close relationship with his mom. I don't believe for one second that he killed them.

[@c360c9c2]

Not only that but when Kendall says "same type of gun" she likely means same "caliber", considering tge murder weapon was never found. If he had a rifle in say .223 and his grandpa was killed by a .223 rifle, that really wouldn't be all that strange. Lots of "calibers" out there but there are the main, most popular ones.

[@rhymereason5912]

It’s also possible his mother killed his grandpa with his gun and then he killed her at sea as revenge. Sunk the boat and planned the whole thing

[@maddsisis5344]

@@rhymereason5912 That's what I was thinking! I could also see him potentially being set up by family.

[@babss7285]

I actually thought of a ‘mercy’ killing instead. Grandpas wife had just died. Could be he thought this was better for gramps

[@tauntingwind]

Framing makes sense

[@BusinessHooks]

I watched a episode of “I shouldn’t be alive” online of a guy living on a raft just like the one Nathan was on and he stayed alive for 76 days..the guys boat started flooding and he got his emergency kit and raft then floated for all that time on the little raft..

[@rebeca6765]

GetPaidWithKyle that’s what i was thinking about throughout this video

[@claire040776]

GetPaidWithKyle ...... wow!

[@Guppyg53]

That episode was terrifying. I pray nobody has to go through such an awful situation like that , ever

[@mydearhuman]

That was a good episode. Still thinking about it every now and then.

[@monicaant.1422]

I remember watching a episode of a family getting stuck on a coral reef area and the boat wasn't sinking but getting flooded so scary when people get stranded in the ocean 😨

[@pola1828]

omg when you said that almost no one showed up at the memorial, my heart broke. i truly believe he is inncocent and people are trying to pin it on him. poor young man :(

[@lovedalot]

💜

[@fionnvance4798]

I was so torn on this case, but just read yesterday that he has been charged with her murder….

[@Nina-lw4wg]

I’m absolutely torn. If he’s just unlucky and innocent, this dude needs a serious support system.

[@randomkeir]

Nathan didn’t do it. His entire family skipped his mother’s memorial? That’s sketchy af.

[@alexfuller2865]

TRUE YES SOMEONE IS WITH ME!

[@angiet7380]

They wouldn't want to attend a memorial hosted by the person they suspect of murdering two of their loved ones

[@ayahner90]

I completely agree. That is super sketch. Her sisters obviously have the most to gain from this. Seems like they're using him as a scapegoat.

[@sarawallace7579]

I dont think he did it. This is exactly how autistic act.

[@charlotrisch5138]

Omg randomkeir i agree with you so much omg!!

[@salmonjanet]

There is an episode of "I Shouldn't Be Alive" where a guy was lost at sea in this same type of raft for I think it was over 200 days. So, yeah, 8 days is totally doable.

[@c360c9c2]

I really can't pick a "side" but it's not only that he qas out there for 8 days but also his physical condition after being out there for 8 days.

[@summercole5190]

i came to the comment section to see if anyone had mentioned this! like fr, 8 days and freshwater packs. i see how he survived completely.

[@shilodaisy]

omg I was thinking about this episide too!!!! And from watching that show… boats 100% do sink that fast

[@thefemalefuture1]

it's still damn remarkable

[@caitlyndare5885]

I just relistened to the podcast of this episode and looked Nathan up only to find that he died by suicide while in jail awaiting trial after being charged for his mom's murder. He was also being held accountable for his grandfather's murder even though he was never charged. My heart is shredded. As someone who has recently begun to understand my autism, I see a lot of myself in Nathan and how I would've reacted to such an absolutely traumatizing event with zero family support. There is a very particular type of fear autistic people feel around being misunderstood or not believed because other people believe their interpretation of our words/actions is more valid than what we actually say, and I can only imagine his terror at realizing that he was trapped in a broken system surrounded by people who fundamentally didn't understand him. To feel that the only acceptable way forward was death. I imagine his mother would be heartbroken, this whole situation is truly a tragedy.

[@alorarichards4122]

I'm suspicious of him hearing how sketchy his grandfathers death is. Nathan was the last person to see him alive & police couldn't confirm where he was for the rest of the night. He'd recently purchased the same gun type that was used to murder his grandfather AND the next morning he conveniently discarded his GPS from his car, hard drive from his computer & his gun just so happens to be missing! That's crazy suspicious! & with his mothers likely death, experts believe there's no way he could have survived on that raft for 8 days, & he was seen tampering with the boat before they went out & it sank. But if that was his plan, it was way too crazy & risky. I know family can be really weird about inheritance, but I think they have good reason to be suspicious of him, especially with the evidence concerning him & his grandfathers murder. But theirs just not enough evidence to convict him.

[@naivenitara]

I agree 100% Well said. Too many unresolved circumstances, especially with his grandfather. MAYBE his moms disappearance is an accident, but the grandfather's murder? Hell naw

[@ellieblack8028]

I wish we could get more info on how they couldn't conform where he was. Like, did he not give a straight answer, or was he hanging out by himself bc he is autustic and likes to be alone?

[@fire2932]

I agree he looks guilty of his grandfathers death but why would he kill him? How would he benefit?

[@fire2932]

AsHLiegH-MaRie HoPe but we don’t know that he got any. It could have went to Nathan’s mom and aunts

[@Beebzinthehouse]

@Hannah off the rail theory maybe the aunts knew about the type of gun and tried to pin it on Nathan?

[@criticalmaz1609]

As someone recently diagnosed with ASD, I found this case incredibly interesting (and very sad) and I'm thankful you presented it in such an unbiased way. Just from my own personal experiences, I can easily see how someone on the spectrum could get so focused on fixing an engine that he lost track of everything else. Including a boat sinking out from underneath him. I have no temporal perception when I'm like that. Even the way he spoke was very familiar. When I'm distressed, I have so much going on in my head that I don't have any energy left for making sure my voice has the right inflection or figuring out which expression is appropriate. That also makes it difficult to lie. It's like opening yet another tab in my browser and I simply don't have the bandwidth! I find it incredibly unlikely that Nathan planned to sink his boat. IMO, he just overestimated his knowledge and abilities and didn't see the bigger picture until it was too late -- something many of us are guilty of.

[@carolinamarin7436]

Yeah! I thought the same! Kendall said a lot about going to this fishing trip being very dangerous, buy maybe Nathan really though he could do it all, and was sure nothing would come of it. Oh also, probably was very excited.

[@lindseymorgan6805]

i obviously don’t know if he’s innocent or guilty but just listening to him talk makes me want to give him a hug

[@cicta]

Same

[@consciousmachine413]

i agree.

[@XoYessioX]

Me toooo 🥺

[@belladazzi]

Me too he must feel so lonely and sad :(

[@Dash120z]

I bet he is depressed that his own family hates him :(

[@OsnackieO]

Honestly, I hate it when people are judged by not having a supportive family. I doubt that my “family” ever liked me. On one side they are dysfunctional with addicts etc. the other side is full of dysfunction and suicides, and childhood sexual assault. And the thing they share is that they never do personal talks. They also refused to acknowledge that I’m chronically ill and disabled. I’ve always tried my best to be the best person I can be, and even though they’ve never known me, I’m sure they would have nothing nice to say about me. And even though my relationship with my mom was dysfunctional for most of my life, we now have the healthiest relationship either of us have ever had. A tiny family of 2. 💖

[@emilymyers1095]

It broke my heart when Nathan had the phone interview with the coast guard and asked "did you find her"

[@kaylinalaska6117]

I'm autistic and we can come off to people as having no empathy, but we actually feel more empathy than neurotypicals. We just have a really hard time expressing our emotions and feelings.

[@jennifertaylor2308]

Yes, one common misconception about people with Autism is they lack empathy. Actually, they feel emotion so strongly that it becomes overwhelming and can lead to shutting down or avoidance.

[@julietkerr7915]

Absolutely! I have 4 kids, my oldest and only boy is Autistic and while he definitely processes and expresses emotions differently he is probably the most empathetic child out of them all ❤️

[@Preservestlandry]

My son is the person who worries the most about me living alone, and things like that, because I'm single. He's so sweet. (We're both autistic.)

[@sheilafelix113]

Yes, my daughter is on the spectrum. I always say I have learned so much by living with her in her world. She is one of the most caring people I know.

[@angelmiller2986]

100% my daughter is either really over dramatic when mad or comes off as she doesn't care when it actually bothers her a lot.

[@rxxrcousin]

That breaks my heart that barely anyone attended the funeral on top of questioning Nathan.

[@alliewithbooks]

I think watching this after knowing what happened to Naya Rivera and how quickly she drowned makes this make more sense. People can drown in an instant especially in open ocean water. And boats don’t sink quickly. They sink slowly and then fast almost all at once. I believe that Nathan is telling the truth and that this was an unfortunate accident. My heart goes out to him.

[@alliewithbooks]

I’ve gotta be honest with you, I think you’re bringing a lot of bias into this case. Why would he murder his mother in such an inconvenient and personally life threatening way? Especially since, if he did kill his grandfather, he got off Scott free for that. I don’t think he murdered his grandpa, but wouldn’t you think that if he got off for that he would find a similar way to kill his mother? Why go through all of the hassle of taking her out to sea, sinking the ship and risking his own life, losing his 80k boat, sitting out in open water for over a week all without the guarantee that he would be rescued? It doesn’t make sense at all, so I don’t see how you’re torn about this.

[@lisag7346]

The only people who truly knew him and supported him are gone. Just because the aunts are family doesn’t mean they know him.

[@ChickadeeBoi]

2 things make me believe this was an tragic accident. 1) Im on the schizophrenic spectrum and we share alot in common with autism. I can honestly say I would probably be just as awkward and emotionless if placed on the spot while still under high stress. He seems to have dissociated while talkin, ya can see the 1000mile stare in his eyes that says his mind is else where. 2) I've spent time on boats and large open water. This is a situation they trained us for in sea cadets, its that common. It doesn't take much for something to malfunction and next thing ya know you're under water. I mean a 40ft fishing vessel can sink in under 5 minutes, and they were on a rinkydink boat half that size. Plus neither has formal marine training or experience on the open channel. Its a recipe for disaster.

[@kellychilds2254]

The aunts seem money hungry and they seem suspicious to me 🤔 After the memorial when the media was talking to him, it sounded like his voice was cracking a little because he was upset.

[@mirandabattle3847]

Right? The lengths they seem to be going through to keep him from getting that money is so suspicious.

[@ayahner90]

I thought he seemed really upset after the memorial too. When he was saying he wanted someone to be embracing him and saying they were glad he survived and he was okay I just wanted to give him a hug. Just broke my heart right on the spot.

[@angeliquegraves5881]

I love listening to Kendall. Makes my day. The way you can tell a story girl. Love you, have a beautiful day.

[@catherineparis8678]

I don’t think there’s any fowl play. I mean killing someone by sinking a boat and taking a chance and being lost at sea doesn’t make any sense.

[@missladymo]

This gave me a little giggle. I think you mean “foul”. Fowl= 🐓 🦃 🦆

[@cayleece7890]

@@missladymo lol, made me laugh too 😊

[@yeetskeet3959]

I think its possible the mother was swept away by a current. At that point, the boat was almost completely full of water and all it takes is a loose grip.

[@millykay3209]

Exactly! You’d think if he wanted to kill her he would’ve pushed her in the water and taken off or something rather than risking his own life to kill her and also why would he sink his own boat

[@alexissandoval5497]

"there's pretty much no way that nathan could've survived out there on that dinky ass raft" 😂😂

[@Pageanteen]

I feel bad for him if his family wasn’t even happy he was home..

[@annieanna2900]

Pageanteen yeah, me too 😢

[@NeciaHeda]

Same. Nobody knows 100% what happened, but I think I’d at least be thankful that he was home safe. (Even if I felt like he did it or not) You take your blessings where you can get them.

[@Sar45686]

I think they were aware he was highly likely the killer of his grandfather alas aunts FATGER. Now their sister suspiciously died. I’d never forgive him too

[@msawyer110]

I would feel bad for his mom he pitched in the ocean. Dunno, just me

[@SoneBlink]

Obviously his family knows him more than you do and there's a reason they don't like him.

[@lilmssimsalot]

i feel so heartbroken for him, the fact that he’s basically lost his whole family and doesn’t have many friends while going through this loss. it’s awful

[@lAfterShockzl]

I went to school with Nathan in middle school, we talked everyday in class. Crazy to see this happening to him now

[@ivi122]

So maybe you can reach out to him and say your condolences

[@hope5080]

Do u ever think he would do this?

[@Chimpmanboom]

but hold on...if he planned to kill her he also planned to be trapped at sea for 8 days??? and luckily being found??? He's 100% innocent

[@Finiverse92]

Yo listen to his voice at 20:47 when he was talking about the memorial! You can hear how sad he is. Like his voice was so shaken. Not in a scared way he was sad. You can tell

[@Misscutieful1]

Exactly! He may show his emotions in a different way but you can still tell he feels genuine sadness for his mom’s death. Like she was basically his only friend and support, he doesn’t seem like the type to kill someone who’s all that to them for money. He doesn’t seem like a flashy guy or one who even splurges on luxury items. I think the aunt may have killed the grandad and weren’t expecting his share to be so big so with his mom’s accidental death they saw an opportunity to cast blame for the grandad’s death onto the ‘suspicious acting’ man with autism to draw attention from themselves.

[@funnyteacherman]

Nathan sounds like he's trying so hard to not cry in every single interview, it's so distressing. Of course anyone can kill, but I seriously doubt Nathan did. Also, it feels to me that his family was just *waiting* for an excuse to shut him out, presumably because they didn't want to deal with him. It's so tragic that he lost the only family members who actually tried to connect with him, and now he's all alone.

[@mayteanaisdongosueiro1888]

Exactly. Some people said he didn‘t show any emotion, but for me is clear that he is devastated. His eyes, they show so much sadness.

[@goldiegiles9609]

One thing I want to point out is that relatives get REALLY weird when it comes to the money or items of someone who's just passed. Easy to blame the kid on the spectrum because he has no "emotion". Unfortunately when it comes to being on the spectrum not a lot of people understand what it is and that can cause deep rooted issues within a whole family. That could explain why there's so much bad blood. I am not saying he's not capable of murder, I honestly feel like if he DID do it I feel like we would see different behavior socially from him. Thats a big secret to hold and while he is " high functioning", socially it does not seem like he is. There would be a change in him holding something like that in.

[@Fabhuntress]

I agree 👍 I wish there was more back story.

[@tiannajoseph9293]

I agree. When my grandpa passed away I saw a lot of true colours from family members and how greedy and toxic they were being

[@ylabea]

But he drilled holes in a boat and didn’t patch them. Maybe he’s a sociopath?

[@hayleyc1100]

@@ylabea he did patch them. I read another comment saying that maybe when he drilled the holes he didn't realise that part of the boat would go under water when actually out in the ocean, and then what he used to patch the holes didn't hold up when they went out

[@ylabea]

Hayley C looks like he didn’t wait for the patch to cure, so it’s like not patching them at all. It’s just going on the water is pretty serious, it just doesn’t make sense for anyone who owns a boat and has a boat license to not patch holes properly and not take preventing an accident seriously. It’s like drilling holes in a car tire, not waiting for the patch to cure and then trying to blame & sue the manufacturer when a fatal crash occurs. He might not feel empathy and that’s why he can keep the secrets.

[@elizabethmerich8862]

I just watched this episode and i'm super frustrated. There is no way Nathan killed his mom. She was the only person he was really bonded with, who he loved, who he knew was there for him. Autistic people can kill, anyone can, but the idea that he would kill and loving, nuturing, trusting, person in his life doesnt make sense. He was irresponsible and thought he could handle more than he could, working on his own boat, and thinking he could go tuna fishing. These were mistakes he made, but there was no ill intention. And I will be the first to say, just because someone is family, doesnt mean they know a situation better. Absolutely not. Sometimes people in your family just suck and are toxic and evil. His family is shit, and they dont know anything.

[@lyricalbelle]

This is exactly the kind of thing my little brother would do. He's always fixing things and building things himself, even when it's probably too dangerous, because he just gets hyperfocused on what he's doing and doesn't always think about safety precautions or risks if he hasn't been explicitly told how to stay safe. Also--Nathan was 17!

[@orieking]

i am a simple true crime fan: i see Kendall posted, i click + smash that like button

[@MorningstarNaistus]

Orie King SAAAAAMEEEEEE

[@xspacerose]

same