Kia e-Soul 64 kWh cold battery charging test

[@deancarter4003]

Bjorn's workrate is phenomenal. Remember Guys this is one Man doing all these tests. He is literally the Chuck Yaegar of EV testing. If only Manufacturers were this open about real world testing. Pay Bjorn 1 Million dollars!

[@dtpett]

This drives me crazy on long journeys with my Kona. I would not have a problem of charge time lived up to Hyundai's marketing (54 min. 10-80%). However, most of the year where we travel it is lower than 10 degrees. Then the time increases drastically and it is paaaaainful.

[@computerbob06]

I've heard you can do a manual pre-heat of the battery, by hard acceleration followed by hard regen (pull on the left paddle) for a few miles before your next charge!?

[@dtpett]

@@computerbob06, not so easy to actually do if you get stuck in slow moving traffic before your next charging session :/

[@Richard-io9xe]

This is why the New Niro EV could (and I say 'could') be better. Its disappointing that the max rate won't be increasing from the current Niro / Kona / Soul EV rates. But battery conditioning and a flatter charge curve could make it much more predictable and keep it in the 'acceptable' range.

[@Mtatc1]

Normaly you just have to start with 100% and drove it about 300 km with 120/130 km/h. Then the battery should be warm.

[@dtpett]

@@Mtatc1 under ideal traffic conditions it's possible. But if you get stuck in a slow moving queue for at least 10 minutes then the battery cools down too much when outside temp is 5 degrees or lower.

[@michaelmortensen7662]

Kia should make a software button so people could hit: PREHEAT 10-15km before charging (or PRECONDITION BATTERY to cool a hot batt.)

[@dragospahontu]

People aren't smart enough yet

[@Scrap-press]

It takes longer than that to precondition a battery

[@apocrypth]

there is/was petition exactly for this, kia just kinda ignored it... after several people went to kia and complained that car does not live up to the declared specs, they admited that they will prepare (lol maybe) sw update for this (but, only for ev6, ioniq5, not older models)...

[@chabnairolf]

If you are have 16 C° battery temperature and SOC is 20% or more, the battery heater don't start. Then you get a very long charging stop. The first time, I thought something is defect, but this is a bad feature of the KIA EVs.

[@Richard-io9xe]

Fascinating stats - thanks. The new version of the Nero EV will come with battery conditioning, if you navigate to a charger on the in built nav. They have apparently also flattened the charge curve to stay high for longer. So even though the max rate has not increased, based on these findings, those 2 changes could make a world of difference, yeah?

[@apocrypth]

i would not, i repeat, NOT, trust this, unless confirmed by Bjorn or somebody else... they state exactly this for eNiro since the beginning (winter mode), but reality is far far from it, minus "navigate to fast charger preheat"...

[@santerixdxd]

Meanwhile the classic ioniq happily pulls 45kW with 3 degree C° battery. It’s fascinating how large of a difference battery chemistry makes.

[@AsekiBekovy]

Assuming it is precisely being controlled according to the different battery chemistry at least. I am not sure about that. On a cold day above 70% soc our nissan only pulls around 10kW or less. I think it is a bit over regulated in that case.

[@Esl1999]

I’m sure the Tesla “afterburners” makes a big difference when it’s -20C compared to Kia system. I think people will happily pay for the few extra kilowatts to speed up their charging speed. You could save at least 30 minutes or more at a charging station.

[@apocrypth]

well if they made preheat button, simple as that, if battery above 10% preheat for x minutes button, it would solve this easy, but kia declined this...

[@derMaulwuff]

Kia did optimize the charging curve in 2021. Hopefully they will do it again to get better charging times. This stingy behavior is summing up badly on long trips - and that is where you need the speed.

[@apocrypth]

on which models they did that? As far as I know, not on eNiro, Kona, Soul...

[@thomasczylok2269]

I have Ioniq Electric 38 kWh - when having cold battery I figured out to "preheat" the battery with AC charging until minimum temp reaches 25 degrees C. When charging AC, the heater runs unitl 25 degrees C. After that I can switch to DC and enjoy faster charging rate. Question remains if this would be fast overall anyway.

[@scotduckrow8524]

Amazing work. as usual. Constantly disproving John Donne's prose, " No Man is a Nyland"!

[@iftodeconstantin5439]

Hi Bjorn.somethink is wrong in you clip because you have tesla with hot and hot😀

[@bjornnyland]

It was a small mistake in the label only. The data is correct still.

[@iftodeconstantin5439]

@@bjornnyland i like your videos and i like to watch you.i have an byundai kona 2020 64kwh and i am very satisfied.maybe in the future you can test for degradion kona too

[@kevinwilliams2676]

I look forward to you doing a review of the Genesis GV60. I have ordered one...

[@lightningninja8585]

Any difference when the car is in Sport mode? Heard that Hyundai and Genesis then heat faster

[@ReximPL]

With heat scavenging in Tesla this loss can be a little bit false because then the energy used to heat up the battery would end in heating the cabin.

[@bjornnyland]

Korrekt

[@Lucaat]

Model Y cold is labeled hot in blue :S

[@Mtatc1]

Its not stingy, its efficient!

[@bjornnyland]

It is in fact stingy. If you watch the video you will understand why.

[@marcoroverman1919]

But is ugly. Kia EV6 is better. But expensive

[@Mtatc1]

@@marcoroverman1919 better in what? There will be always better Cars in the future

[@egimenezbahl]

It will be interesting to see how the pre-heating works when you set a charging in the navigation on Kias. They said they eill roll it out first to EV6 my23 and then to the rest including niros and souls evs

[@Mtatc1]

@@bjornnyland i watch the video and say its efficient

[@austin2planks]

Hadn't noticed the battery heater cutoff temp probably because I almost always charge on 50kW units so the 25C threshold isn't needed. Perhaps they focused on optimising 50kW charging speed

[@austin2planks]

Update: just charged e-Niro on a 50kW and the heater appears to cut out when the min battery temp hit 15C. Mind you on a 50kW that's fine. 18 minutes of charging later temp was 22C :(.

[@M0rd7ust]

To me, it's the combination of early cutoff of active heating and the lack of pre-heating which makes the car a questionable choice for cold regions. My suggestion: when you start a long trip at 100% SoC and just finished AC charging, the battery would be over 10 °C due to active heating, and it's going to be over 20 °C when starting DC charging after first ~300 km, so it's not that bad then. Go full speed on an Autobahn and the power will be with you⚡but you'll have to start charging sooner 😉. A plus when coldgating is that it doesn't make a big difference whether you approach a 50 kW or a 350 kW charger, so it makes for a simpler choice 😉.

[@colla555]

Does the Kia have different cell chemistry? Because they only can endure 30°C instead of 58°C on Tesla.

[@vendel5667]

@Bjorn Why is the Amper almost 600A at the hot Model Y compared to the cold Model Y? or anyone

[@stajpi]

a question: what do you think is there any long term consequences if i charge only to 80 percent - but more on DC than on AC? for example, at home i use granny cable and always stop at 80%, but near me is free 50kw DC charger and i can be at 80% in a matters od minutes... egolf.

[@Maraxion]

How do you enable the battery heating while driving on the kia?

[@bjornnyland]

You can't.

[@Maraxion]

@@bjornnyland so not by the navi then? I read somewhere that the kias has a battery warmer that starts with the navi pointed to a charging station.

[@chunkychuck]

Kia needs better programmers

[@taschenonkel]

Hey Bjorn, can you pleaaaaase review E-HS9??? Thank you :)))

[@robertosborne956]

Hey bjorn I've got a new hyundai ioniq ev 2022 model where can I get a obd scanner for that vehicle I'm in the UK

[@mikelach81]

Is something planned with the Lucid Air? Lucid opened their store in Germany this week.

[@pavelblaha5243]

Charging speed is one thing, but a similarly important factor is battery degradation. It's definitely not a good idea to start charging a cold battery, as degradation processes such as lithium plating of the electrodes will occur. Ideally, the battery should first be brought to an operating temperature of at least 20 degrees Celsius before charging and then maintain an operating temperature in the range of 25 to 35 degrees.

[@stephenholland5930]

That's why all EVs should have battery pre-conditioning as standard.

[@dxutube]

Stingy or stingey?

[@bjornnyland]

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