Kill Team | Games Workshop Early Access Preview

[@carlosburmester9435]

I love that kill team is no longer a secondary game. GW finally accepts that kt is the superior game system!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's their best game!

[@katarn0476]

(You are 100% correct. Don’t tell to the corporate types!!)

[@AngryCrakBaby]

Technically correct statement, which is the best type of correct

[@BTTFF]

One of the best melee combat system around. Most wargame should take notes. No melee engagement is ever without risks

[@ForeverAbroad]

Wow awesome to see that they are acknowledging kill team youtubers. Keep up the consistent kill tea content!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah it's nice they are! Thanks I will (:

[@WitekStraus]

Kill Tea seems like a great name for a game about the Boston Tea Party and the resulting little squabble, you know, the American Revolution ;D

[@GuntherCloneC]

"Your team is NOT going away." ~cries in compendium Nids and Deathwatch~ 🙂 I'm still excited for the future Tyranids Team and hope they'll (sadly, totally unlikely) bring back Kill Team Cassius. 😛

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'd be down for Cassius 👀

[@georgekingstone6364]

​@@CanYouRollaCritwarpcoven, wyrmblade and co will still leave in 3 years yes?

[@Couldntpossiblybeme]

The best part about Kill Team getting traction and becoming a mor noticed game, their other games are getting attention too. Ive always loved Blood Bowl, but GW never talked about it more. Its great.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah, hopefully games like Blood Bowl get the same treatment!

[@TheManolromero]

I’m a relatively new player to Kill Team, and we’re building our player community in Paraguay. We’re very excited to try the new edition. Accessing Warhammer is challenging for us due to the prices and currency exchange rates, which is why Kill Team is a much more accessible option for South Americans in general.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oh nice that's great to hear!

[@DarcyBonoCreations]

Not gonna lie, in order to refresh myself on the more recent Kill Teams before the event...I watched a ridiculous amount of your videos 😆. I was gonna say something at the event but didn't wanna seem weird. So thank you very much for your concise and helpful videos. And thank you for the shout-out in this one...I may have fan girled a bit at my paint table just now 😅.

[@d-rex7043]

I fan-manned, reading this fangirl comment. I'm breaking my nightlords out soon, and have your vid saved, in preparation. 🤩

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oh thank you so much! You should have haha, it would have been fine! Thanks for all your amazing videos amd tutorials too as they're great!

[@DarcyBonoCreations]

​​@@CanYouRollaCrit oh thank you! I was super excited for the event so was running on limited sleep and gallons of intravenous Red Bull...so the odds of me expressing my admiration in anything other than "OMG I JUST WATCHED ALL YOUR VIDEOS BEFORE COMING HERE!! 🤪" was extremely slim. Next time tho!

[@DarcyBonoCreations]

​@@d-rex7043Aw yis! Ave Dominus Nox baybeeee!

[@nickrafuse984]

My literal only hope for the Kill Team app is that the rules will be searchable. that's it.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I hope so too haha

[@nickrafuse984]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Whomp Whomp :(

[@jessefrederick-eq9fx]

I'm not worried about the Classified designation. I'm a serial proxy user anyway and with free rules CSM be CSM.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah proxy users are the biggest winners

[@WitekStraus]

3rd party app creators sighing with relief ;)

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah they still live haha

[@evileyeball]

I love the thought of Co-op because I have a wife who loves to build and paint Kill teams but isn't so huge on playing the game because she isn't as strategically minded as me so would tend to get frustrated when always losing miniatures games vs other people in the past so with Co-op mode she's more likely to play the game because she and I can sit down in the evening and throw some of our other painted minis we aren't using as our teams that night on as NPO's and work together to try to destroy the Tyranid swarm, or the Plague marines etc etc.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Sounds like perfect fun!

[@citizendisco]

Thanks for the update. Obviously those who want to continue to play SpecOps can do.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup (:

[@johnwehner729]

Great vid! Super informative. Your excitement is contagious haha

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Aha thanks, glad it is!

[@o0krazyboris0o]

Good vid, found it helpful, and great to hear the stability of this format going forward. Only thing im waiting to hear more about (whilst putting paint to my Arbites as we speak) is will Tyranids make a comeback.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Thanks! In Nids we believe 🥹

[@ChaseTheChamp11]

So excited to try out the new edition. Cannot wait for this Saturday to pick up my copy of Hivestorm.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oooh sounds great! Hope you have fun with it!

[@TheRainfield]

I love the kill team system, so hearing all these news is so fantastic! Cant wait!!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup great news from GW (:

[@shrewdmoose9005]

Fantastic update video as always, our playgroup appreciates the information!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah thanks, that's great to hear (:

[@Bunyip_Studios]

Cool video, nice to know it's being supported. I've not played for many years, but just bought the new box. Apologies I didn't think about you having an Element link till after, sorry, extra crystals would have been handy 😂

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah no worries!

[@katarn0476]

Great video, John, and yeah, I am. I prefer Kill Team over BigHammer for a few reasons. It’s helped ease me out of military life, too, giving me something of that Breacher’s rush without stressing my wife to death. I’m pretty sad that my Pathfinders are out after a year, but I did grab the Aquilons. I’ve got some friends in our direct counterparts in UKSF that had the same experiences with Kill Team. It might actually be saving lives, so yeah, I’m glad they made it into its own game.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oooh nice, that's so awesome to hear!

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

According to WarCom, Classified is supposed to be for 4 years from the release date & then 2 further years of rules support for friendly play before the minis get retired/repackaged as just 40K kits.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Friendly play but also at events not using Classified (:

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

I stand corrected.

[@4535jacks]

Sweet, that was the answer I was hoping for!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Thanks, that's great to hear (:

[@d-rex7043]

My only grumble is the cost/availability of the datacards. If you have lots of teams, as in my case, the total cost would be at least as much as the Hivestorm box. And when I say grumble, I actually think the cards are very nice and am (in theory) happy to pay to have them; it's more that I'm concerned about them going oop, for (potentially) forever. If they would give a minimum timeframe for their availability, and I knew I had a few months, at least, then I could pick up a pack on an ongoing basis, without issue, whereas now, I am mentally resigned to not buying many of them, and my old cards (for the whole of last season) potentially remaining unopened, if it turns out they're junked.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah I wish cards were cheaper as they are nice. Just a shame ):

[@ianshannon5789]

This does make me really excited for the new edition.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah nice, that's great to hear!

[@mikestrickler4299]

Nice to hear! Great info!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No worries (:

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

I hope they put out some more stuff for Joint Ops within the first 3 months. The two NPO types are good, but limited. I think a Sniper that needs to be dug out or a hybrid shooting/melee operative type would be good to add to the mix.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Technically White Dwarf has some Joint Ops stuff already!

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Which issue?

[@grrrrroch]

Noice. Looking forward for the batrep! Kinda disappointed by the app news, I thought they would team up with kt dash to create the ultimate kill team perifery, but alas it’s good they pulled their punches and estimated their capabilities realistically, upkeeping these king of all rounder apps is a pain in the ass and they would need to sacrifice a lot of resources to monitor it 24/7. Sad thing is, if its truly only a pdf reader, I’d still prefer kt dash for its immediacy, I can imagine I’d be using it already, so why waste time on opening a second app. On the other hand, a secondary reference is always good to have. As for npos, I vividly remember some article specifying the arkham horror-like „always the worst outcome for the players” rule. I generally think this new level of openess in communication is unheard of with James W. It feels as if there was a little shakeup at the top and some young bloods are reviving the stale gw formula now.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Wouldn't surprise me if GW devs play other game systems now!

[@sean493]

It's reassuring to hear that GW wants to make Kill Team a distinct skirmish game rather than a side hobby/on-boarding platform for 40k proper

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup, that was one of the best things to hear

[@MiBasse]

Great video. Thanks, John!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No worries, thanks for watching (:

[@ancientmariner9460]

A lot of fantastic news! I also think, that KT is the best thing they've done. The wait for this new edition is k1lling me though :)

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup! It's their best game!

[@evileyeball]

I don't plan to play competitively so I'll get the Approved ops at the beginning and if I keep using it after a year in my casual games no one can stop me.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

That's fair (:

[@eric_intotheunknown]

"I wouldn't be surprised for some teams..." -- aka Fellgor, lol.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Maybe 🤣

[@joancanario6377]

Thanks

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No worries (:

[@4535jacks]

Do the core rules clarify about activation order in joint ops? I.e., does each player alternate when it is their teams turn, or could one player do two activations in a turn before their coop teammate activates? If not playing a half elite, half hoarde team may be a bit boring for the elite player!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah you kinda just decide amongst yourselves

[@olebrodnicke7936]

Great talk and content! Regarding the classified, I have seen 1. Or 1+2 Years. It sounds from this video that GW has changed that to 1 or 2 editions? Up to 6 years for some?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Every team will be valid for 2 editions (6 years) (:

[@olebrodnicke7936]

Awesome! Really shows that they prioritise Kill Team as a main game! Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the very informative and constructively critical videos

[@mitb]

In your underworld example you mention teams being competitively good but being unavailable for purchase as a pro for rotating out models/factions. I would content that the unavailability is a decision made by GW so that isn’t a factor when debating the value of rotation. GW could choose to still sell those forces and they would then be just as available as any other.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I mean I've always been a big fan of rotation in general and 6 years is a long time vs 2 years which mostly everyone else uses

[@kieranbutler258]

It's also a factor that after a certain point it isn't financially viable to keep making older kits that aren't selling as well as newer kits

[@mitb]

@@kieranbutler258 tell that to Ezekiel or the Catachan ;-)

[@khadzad6021]

The killed one of my teams, took joy from second, Hierotek seems ok but we will see and i assume that warpcoven will be in "disappointment" metric. We will see about this edition. Might stay at KT21

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think it'd be better to be more optimistic, KT 3.0 is much more fun than KT 2.0 (:

[@khadzad6021]

@@CanYouRollaCrit I have plenty of fun in KT21 ;) If the warpcoven will be disappointing i will stay as in that edition i got 4 teams I would like to play instead of one :)

[@nestadious]

Very excited about this information. The more I hear about this next edition the more I am happy with pre-ordering Hivestorm even though I dont want either of the teams!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oooh nice! Yeah GW sounds like they're fully support KT on its own (:

[@DtownBronco]

Are we able to use tenth edition 40k models if they have rules for them or do we have to buy the kill team specific models

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Depends on what team you wanna play

[@Thorgrimm]

Great video, really appreciate the insights. I'm currently in a narrative campaign which is running another 6 months, GW not supporting narrative campaigns any more is a disappointment because as much as they were could develop into degenerate experiences, progression is the secret sauce of campaign games. Necromunda, Mordheim et al are fondly thought of for that reason, so discarding it is a disappointment even if I understand the thinking. I'm less convinced about making a PVE mode with an AI system that isn't smart enough to handle conditional situations, as out thinking the AI is often the way to win those games, if you are meant to out think yourself for the AI, isn't that really weird?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah that is pretty weird aha

[@pigzy9807]

I understand and like the classified system. However ad a non competitive player, ibwas still running allot of compendium teams, since they are just units from my 40k armies, it seems these are dead which is understandable but a bit annoying. The wierest one is that it seems at the start of this new edition there is no way to play nids

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Technically with Brood Bros but I agree, we need a Nids team ):

[@d-rex7043]

@@CanYouRollaCrit I'm not sure nids makes sense, thematically (and that's from a nids-haver, halfway through an arm-swap for a now-obsolete team!). Hard to imagine most regular nids going around doing actions and opening doors. Maybe 'Great Devourer' (similar to Boarding Actions) is a good compromise - some of the more morphed-up GSC, combined with purestrains, etc... ?

[@Maidez09]

Thank you for the video. did they mentioned the possibility of using the solo-mode to play older narratives (e.g. Ashes of Faith). Btw what was James Workshop like? Was he as cool as he seems?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Thanks for watching! No but the possibilities are endless! He let me ride his limo

[@krzysztofdrzewiecki5618]

Are you able to say anything about release format for this edition? As you said, we will have Volkus for whole season, but: - Whole killzone in every pricey box (like into the dark), or - Small additions in less pricey boxes (like betha decima)?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No idea sadly, they wouldn't mention that

[@washingtonpunk8120]

So the teams on the "yassified" list like the Kommandos, Veteran Guardsman and Pathfinders will receive updates for the next year, and then they fall off the classified list, but still be updated for the next 3 years after they are removed from classified? Should we expect a replacement kill team for those factions around the time they fall out of standard maintenance?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup, teams off the classified list will still receive updates (: I'd be surprised if we didn't see replacements 👀

[@bencochoco]

Have you had any news on the support of GW for narrative campaigns in terms of rules ? Or should we just build the rules ourselves from v2 ?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Well they'll be providing support via joint ops updates (:

[@HappyDuude]

Im on the fence about classified - like how much do we need fully wysiwyg teams, vs archetype teams which could be applied to multiple. Functionally equivalent to proxy, but i do think there could be a way to keep teams atound by having a type profile theyre competitive with

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think you could argue there should be some "permanent" teams like CSM and Ints etc

[@ArborRails]

I love KT for sure, but why does it feel like when GW says they will "continue supporting unclassified teams", the really just mean multiple updates of negligible changes while your team languishes and gets left behind? GW's habits are the only thing in the hobby that are truly evergeen!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I trust them this time haha

[@normanderi]

i have some questions if you could kindly respond them i would be happy(assuming you can talk and they told you about it). First, are you gonna "update" all kill teams as they are rebalanced or rewritten? Then, did they speak about when new teams are coming after season 3? When are they gonna release all this? About the coop, how are the kill teams formed? can you really do 1/2 of one team and the other half from another? do you know if they interact as the same kill team or only between themselves(meaning, the hierotek apl "giver" only works on immortals and deathmarks, in coop is it valid for a space marine or only for immortals and deathmarks anyway)? How are the coop ops in general? many enemies, is there a mix of elite and "thrash" on the NPO side or just one type? difficulty wise? How strong do you think plasma are going to be, seeing how strong they were and how they seem to be slightly nerfed? Lastly(right now i cant think about any other question that isnt unique to kill teams i play), do you think the movement buff it that looks like is being implemented is gonna impact the game strongly or not, regarding balance of some kill teams with extra movility(like corsairs) or the ones with slower teams (like death guard)?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'll be doing vids on all Kill Teams It's up to players to decide how to split New movement is great imo

[@normanderi]

@@CanYouRollaCrit thanks for answering so fast, i would love for more answers but i will assume you dont know or cant speak about it, so i wont push it, thanks again

[@Buiserd]

Still baffled that they can't make a functional app with all the bells and whistles, for free

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Well none of their other apps are free if they have more features 😅

[@Buiserd]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Both of them are also wholly underwhelming and I say that as a paying subscriber to Warhammer +

[@andanotherthing6687]

Crazy , the specific faction cards are expensive and pointless at the same time. As someone getting into KT for the first time, this hivestorm edition, very confusing and expensive. Future team releases may not even have cards - the article suggests they will just be online ?!

[@aligaterr5137]

The faction card are a optional /luxury expense. They are for those who really want non-DIY cardboard cards. The rules will be free online and likely in a form you can print cards out from easily. So don't bother with cards.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think future teams will but they'll always be free online

[@BlommaBaumbart]

I've no idea what I would do with my teams once they leave classified. You just can't play anything else with just 10 Kommandos.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

New Orky Orks?

[@DotJus]

Im just going to keep playing them…. But I live a long way from Warhammer World.

[@Ulfhednir9]

Argh it still sucks they got rid of narrative. What we loved about it was the base building and adding progression, that is what we loved about it rather than a game then that's it, spec ops made if feel like we actually win something, back then we had stuff to work for. We were even looking at that system to replace necromunda. Bad move gw. As for their excuse to get everyone playing the same thing? Now every narrative group is going to invent their own homegrown rules to add progression so every group will be playing a different group other than competive players.

[@WitekStraus]

@@Ulfhednir9 I hope they release it as a separate narrative missions book, with progression system, assets etc.

[@DotJus]

I never played KT2021 Narrative but my plan is to just copy paste the rules for a KT2024 campaign.

[@Ulfhednir9]

@@DotJus Me too

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's a valid reason, narrative/comp/casual having the same rules makes it easier to bridge across more. Joint Ops missions really support narrative play and half the fun of narrative is adding your own tweaks anyway (:

[@Ulfhednir9]

@@CanYouRollaCrit yup adding in all the spec ops leveling progression and base building. so like a different version of KT which was my point.

[@TarantulaSs]

I havent seen anybody talk about it! Are Necron Rules in the Book?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Necron rules in the book?

[@matteopolloni4601]

@@TarantulaSs all team are classified (except the older in the old compendium [that were simple wh40k squads]) They'll release free online rules for classified team

[@KingGale]

I understand the competitive aspect of the Classified system. But why remove teams entirely after 6 years? What happens for example for factions that are not that well represented? Why remove an Ork, Nid, or Eldar team entirely? And if the issue is availability, why not just increase availability? Seems like a weird solution.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They'll likely replace factions dropping with new versions

[@KingGale]

@@CanYouRollaCrit I hope so!

[@delivered115]

If some of the cards r wrong, does that mean i go back to 10 scouts 😅

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Maybe? The Blooded ones are wrong for their roster

[@lawrencebianco5855]

Are there enough Aquilon heads to go all berets?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'm not sure, don't remember right now 😅

[@lawrencebianco5855]

@@CanYouRollaCrit thanks for the reply!

[@OriHutcherson-l6w]

look up the kt hivestorm leaks they have sprue pics

[@userb3nje909]

Are they basically saying that KT3 will last 6 years!?!?! Lol ill believe it when i see it

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No, each edition lasts 3 years (:

[@sub-optimalwargaming9311]

Not even a list builder option in app?

[@serse8455]

Dude, if it stays in a line it can stay in your brain, if white dwarf like team are a thing again it could be useful tho

[@sub-optimalwargaming9311]

You underestimate how bad my memory is,lol ​@@serse8455

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No as technically you just build you list each game now with roster gone

[@sub-optimalwargaming9311]

@@CanYouRollaCrit def might look into the cards then, find them really useful in warcry also.

[@Jharlax]

Great stuff. GJ GW.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah really good to hear from them

[@samjsnz]

How is GW still so incompetent at apps, they should just outsource it. Killteam Battlekit is awesome.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They actually usually do buy external apps I think?

[@araistel1980]

R.I.P Spec Ops :( Without it there's nothing narrative in KT but missions. Even 40k Crusades give more narrative rules and feeling than new KT now :( The idea is the same, it has to be unbalanced because people don't play narrative games to win unlikely match play players who play only to win. Narrative games are about expanding your base of operations, leveling up your operatives to do personal narrative campaigns... all of that is gone... dead. Now only Necromunda or big 40k Crusade games can give us narrative feeling. Bad move GW really bad.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Joint Ops is narrative

[@araistel1980]

@@CanYouRollaCrit It's more Open Play than narrative :( 0 narrative rules for teams.

[@jackalcoyote8777]

Love your content and work ethic. Like and comment. But any chance you can slightly improve your speaking cadence? The pauses make it seem like you're anxious.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Thanks, ah I'm just breathing haha

[@jackalcoyote8777]

@@CanYouRollaCrit I'm just an amateur- so I don't have anything substantive. But how do other public speakers do it? There has to be a breathing technique that seems natural.

[@totallycarbon2106]

Some of the cards are wrong? The cards they are charging £20 a pack for? Oh dear 😅

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Blooded one is missing Corpseman on roster

[@d-rex7043]

@@CanYouRollaCrit ooft! That's the one pack I've ordered, so far.

[@WEBKairos92]

1 thing that I hate about rotation - bad representation of factions. For example I love Rogue Trader in lore and only this motivated me to start playing kill team (real story). But if they will remove Starstriders and won't make something to replace them - it won't be interesting for me to play any longer. All because w40k universe not about system and gameplay, but about universe and lore for most of the players.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Kinda but then those players wouldn't be affected by Classified as that would only apply to tournament players

[@pigzy9807]

I agree. It is so odd that you can't play nids but have like 4 inquisition teams now

[@bhz8499]

Pepperidge farms remembers when other WH apps were “free with no intention to monetize atm”. 😂😂😂😂. Fool me once Bobs

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They plan to keep the KT app free as it just is a PDF reader (:

[@bhz8499]

Uh-huh time will tell. ⏳ 10th edition was supposed to have same thing while being free; until new codexes (read killteams) came out in the cycle then PAYWALL. You were warned 🤷‍♂️ and given receipts. Please continue to peddle if you want. I’ll move on and that’s fine on both our ends

[@Optix334]

Classified teams wouldn't be an issue if we just had real listbuilding, instead of hard-defined teams with hard-defined playstyles.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah I'm glad we don't have list building

[@jackalcoyote8777]

I know it may feel limiting- some of the fun was choosing operatives, like deckbuilding. But GW is differentiating their games. -for list building, play 40k -for curated lists (and consequently less mental load on the pregame), play kill team. This allows players to choose which appeals more, instead of both systems cannibalizing each other.

[@neeeeeeeek9]

trust me, you don't want list building for KT 😅 it would be a nightmare to balance and would deter new players from it cuz they realize they have to buy multiple boxes to create a good list. KT18 also had the issue where everybody would either spam sternguard vets or 4 lictors and call it a day cuz that were some of the cheesiest lists back then that showed any success. not fun at all 😢

[@egnaroelprup]

I feel like a way forward would be to devise superfaction evergreen teams when their rules "expire" that allow list building, just trade off super tight and defined rules with a list build oriented experience. (An all stars kind of set up?) Obviously, this would be something more for a time in the future where quite a lot of teams are gone