Killing Animals is Consensual? (Earthling Ed Debate) | Part 2

Part 2 of my reaction to "Student confronts vegan about indigenous culture | HEATED DEBATE" by Earthling Ed.
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[@haleytudor632]

her: animals are different because they don't have conscious thought also her: the moose gladly gives itself up to the hunter

[@haleytudor632]

also, I graduated high school in 2012 so my memory is incredibly hazy, but I'm a Texan and am PRETTY confident we never covered fast food meat vs. factory farmed meat in any class. I think that's something I would remember just based on how absolutely wild an assertion it is

[@indef2def]

Her: Don't say "she" about a cow. It's "it", it's an animal. Also Her: When you throw a rock, you are harming a soul.

[@pativi6643]

@@indef2def This is what cracked me up. Ed's resigned look and toneless 'sure' killed me. I may be a bad person, but I couldn't stop laughing.

[@justine4652]

@@haleytudor632 we watched Food Inc. in my environmental science class in Arizona. I wonder if that's what she saw

[@jennoscura2381]

@@MdoubleHBxx You're new to this channel aren't you? Unnatural Vegan use to be a raw vegan. She has a whole bunch of videos explaining why raw vegan is bad. Raw vegan is a diet for privileged people. I can't afford to eat raw. Fully Raw Kristina has a video on how affordable raw is. It works out to $600 a month. On what planet is that affordable? I am on disability and get a little over $1000 a month. I can't afford to spend over half my monthly income on food. Even if raw were the best diet (spoiler: it isn't) ; I can't afford it. A whole lot of other people can't afford it.

[@obryana20]

"Be careful talking to vegans about animal husbandry. They might know more than you..." Maybe my favorite quote ever.

[@frompizzaaddicttovegan]

Oooh I missed that. It IS a good one.

[@HelloKittysFriend418]

I hope that even though it was hard for her to really confront her own beliefs during this conversation, that she went home and thought more deeply about her own justifications

[@cherrybearylemondrop]

I have been caught in conversations like this, where I thought I was so confident in my views. I couldn't stop thinking about what the other person said for days after, checking their facts, and sloooowlyyy accepting the new information. It's hard when one has a huge ego ;) and we consume unnuanced content. Whatever the topic, articles/pundits/etc. will conveniently ignore or grossly exaggerate the arguments against their position. When actually talking with someone with a different belief, their words are twisted in our ears to ring the bad-faith catchphrases we've already heard. This is why Swayze's activism is so effective. She doesn't brush away the problems with veganism, she openly and calmly talks through them. We're much less likely to say, "veganism is all bad" if we've never been convinced to believe (then found out it's not true) that veganism is a panacea or that we don't actually need B12 or that meat is toxic.

[@trisarose]

I think we've all had conversations that we were initially resistant to and then had to digest a bit. Maybe even had to have the conversation more than once! Luckily my instances weren't recorded, but I definitely hope she noodles on it

[@ramenjd6239]

There’s a psychological phenomenon called sleeper effect. When you pass a message (with solid reasoning) to someone, even if they disagree with it, you plant the seeds in their mind. Later on, they’ll subconsciously think about it, and become less resistant to it

[@Driveontheroad]

The sad thing is, this student probably had no clue just how HUGE an audience Earthling Ed has when she sat down to debate, and that the video was going to be viewed by hundreds of thousands of people. I can pretty much guarantee she's read the comments on the original video, which are mostly pretty critical of her. Hopefully she can take it as a learning experience and not get too bogged down about it. I said some pretty stupid shit when I was younger too tbh so can't really judge.

[@omnipotenttit3240]

That’s the thing, it’s good that she’ll recognise using poor and indigenous people as a shield for her own actions is not acceptable, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she panics when she sees the video and the responses. She might feel she was maliciously tricked into embarrassing herself for a publicity stunt and double down on her anti-vegan sentiment out of spite, or she might be heartbroken when she sees a stupid debate she had on a whim has now been immortalised online for millions of people to scrutinise. Ed was right to interview her and post it and I’m glad people are seeing her being challenged, I just can’t stop imagining myself in her shoes, being overconfident and saying some stupid shit and then never getting to forget it… Maybe it’s the boot up the ass she needed but it would have crushed me

[@fromeveryting29]

@@omnipotenttit3240 Good point. But to be fair a camera was present, she must have consented to being filmed and posted, and adults should know what that might mean. She thought she had great arguments and wouldn't make an ass out of herself, but her arguments sucked. That's what over-confidence does to you. It humiliates and HOPEFULLY humbles. I sort of feel for her, but she walked into this thing herself.. Ed was very patient and respectful, and bad ideas only deserve one thing - to be broken down and overcome, which is what he did.

[@omnipotenttit3240]

@@fromeveryting29 oh definitely, she did it to herself, I just get terrible 2nd hand embarrassment. I suppose I’m also hoping she’s a kind person at heart who didn’t mean to come across the way she did

[@roseg2239]

Nah, there's saying stupid shit when you're young, and just straight up being rude. She was the latter.

[@sarahperkins6421]

Hot take, but if I had to decide between picking fruits and vegetables in a field versus butchering animals in a freezing cold room that reeks of blood, I'd go for the fields every time.

[@BeetTheRush]

This poor girl, I almost feel sorry for her, so much anger, so litlle knowledge!

[@virginiasellers117]

She was so difficult to watch, just so infuriating! Ed is a brilliant as always.

[@joez3706]

He was amazingly patient!

[@cansuobiz]

Well, I’m a muslim and lots of sheep were murdered as a sacrificial animal in front of me when I was a child, and the way of the killing is that that guy murdered the sheep by a knife to the animal’s throat. Be quick. Say magical words. That is helal. I cannot forget the way these poor animals fear before the ‘ceremony’, and try to run away from there. The atmosphere smelled death only.

[@holisticmaya]

I am Lebanese so i know about That and i really laughed when she started talking about helal so wrong! I was also traveling in Morocco during the eid where they cut the throat of goats and sheep and I was riding in buses with these animals being pulled with cords around their necks and they seemed like they knew they were going to get killed soon, it was so sad…

[@Sarah-mh5ez]

Muslim vegan here too. Sadly that is what most people practice for Eid but they definitely are not following halal guidelines (for example: how the animals are raised; how they ARE NOT supposed to see the other ones being killed). People get really gross about this. There's also that weird masculine-meat connection around that time, I find.

[@rubainthesky8167]

100%. Iraqi vegan. Eid is a tough day every year, because that really is not "humane". It is very cruel and the poor animal is suffering tremendously, possibly even more than conventional slaughterhouse animals.

[@Sarah-mh5ez]

@@rubainthesky8167 Absolutely. So so sad. I don't know what overwhelms them on Eid to completely ignore halal rulings :(

[@nom3nnescio]

100% of countries with capital punishment for being gay are all muslim. What a loving religion! 🥰

[@AimeeColeman]

As a fellow English person, I was concerned when he started talking, because we don't have the same culture of debate in our school or university system. But then I was really impressed by the way he conducted himself and found the analysis of the whole thing really helpful and interesting. I'd 100% enjoy another one of these :)

[@TheSparkleina]

huh, I went to uni in England, debate was pretty damn strong

[@AimeeColeman]

@@TheSparkleina Interesting - maybe you went to a particularly debate-centric uni? I went through the English school system from 4 to 26, and debate was only present when it was in a university soc specially for that (I went to 3 different unis, and only 1 of them had a debate soc). It wasn't an option in any of the schools I went to before uni, so in my experience it just wasn't present unless you specifically sought it out.

[@anne-marie2159]

@@AimeeColeman are you talking about a particularly formalised form of debate? Because discussion and student-centred learning are pedagogical approaches employed at all levels of education in the UK (particularly in universities- critical thinking being a key outcome); but "debate clubs" are not really a thing if that's what you mean?

[@danielaxc2900]

So much about this "debate" annoys me but the way she concludes their conversation with a sneer and just leaving seriously boiled me. That Texas educational system really is hard at work.

[@SamanthaShelley]

I’m embarrassed for her, my god.

[@hugomarquez3189]

She was loud and pressed because she knew, deep down, that she didn’t have much of a ground to stand on when it comes to this subject. Maybe she thought that proving him wrong would ease her mind, but it was doomed from the start.

[@chocococo40]

Her mental gymnastics were pretty impressive, gotta admit :/ Ed stayed so calm and collected, always ready with a response, I could never XD

[@rebekkahill4664]

Everyone (including myself) goes through a phase like this when they were younger, especially while at uni (although I like to think I wasn't this bad 😅). Hopefully she'll look back in a few years and cringe. Also, I think Ed implied he would feel somewhat guilty about throwing a rock because he was trying to meet her halfway, as it lowers people's defences, making them more likely to listen to the opposing argument, not because he actually would feel guilty. It was a bit wasted on her though 😅.

[@nathantripathy]

Hey now, not all of us. Some of us see this at uni, are horrified and feel isolated while there.

[@roseg2239]

No, not everyone was rude af when having discussions with people of differing opinions. She should be ashamed of the way she conducted herself here imo. She was so rude at the end.

[@KP-us5pq]

I watch all of Ed’s videos and this was the one I could not make myself finish bc she was so insufferable. I’m surprised by how many haven’t seen Ed before so glad you did this video to help expose others to him. He really is amazing for veganism. He helped me a lot sorting out my feelings and beliefs.

[@leehmantylerdrew]

Earthing Ed is an honest and brilliant person…. She wasted what could have been a great conversation if she had given half of what he gave. Great reaction vid!

[@KaseyHester]

I said this on Ed's video, and I'll say it here. As someone engaged to a migrant worker with indigenous heritage, what she said was incredibly disrespectful & uneducated. Also, I'm 23 and grew up in Houston TX and was not taught that, but I have heard of some people in some places being shown slaughter house footage in school.

[@hannahmitchell87]

The way she left!!!!???? So RUDE!!!!!!

[@gazneregina5373]

That was hilarious. She had me in tears 😂 Like what??

[@katkat7828]

I think when he made the perhaps silly argument about the rock and the less harm thing, he didn't mean it. He's very familiar with the concept of sentience and goes into a lot more depth with more intelligent people who are more civilised. He was trying to meet her in the middle so that she could see his point whilsf he entertained her ideas knowing that she was waiting for something to catch him out on.

[@EvaGolubinska]

I watched Ed's video after your first one and her back and forth for the sake of some sort of argument is foolish. She first said how a rock and a human are equal because of her following some indigenous communities' view and then stated that animals are an "it" and we're not on the same level, while then 5 minutes later saying she wouldn't throw a rock because if its soul. Pitiful.

[@gazneregina5373]

Cognitive dissonance is one hell of a drug

[@leajulie7216]

This was painful to watch, she just kept barking and barking, shouting arguments she can't back up... Ed is really an amazing debater, I totally would've gone off lol

[@sarahnaithammou]

Oh gosh...I'm a practicing Muslim and am also a vegan. Therefore, I still don't eat halal meat. Ultimately, Islam encourages treating an animal with as much respect as possible, whether you're eating it or not (if you have to eat it, it should not be tortured or unnecessarily traumatized prior to death), but killing a sentient being will cause suffering. There's no great way around that. More significantly, and what I try to remind fellow Muslims about, is that to combat the inevitable suffering, Islam also encourages that people eat less meat...which no one talks about. The religion allows one to eat meat and outlines a sanctioned way to keep, kill, and process the meat for consumption (which definitely makes it near impossible to mass produce); but nowhere does it say you have to eat meat (or even that it's highly encouraged outside of holidays). At the time in which Islamic guidelines were being written, meat wasn't being consumed anywhere near to how most Muslims consume it today. It was a special occassion food because it had the capacity to feed not just several families, but also be provided as a form of charity during times of celebration to families experiencing poverty or other hardships. (Also notably -and obviously- folks had fewer means then and had to eat nutrients where they could find them.) This goes back to what Swayze said in part one regarding why traditions believe certain things about killing animals. It's not enjoyable, so let's try to find a way to make it as merciful as possible. So it basically follows, if you have other options, the most merciful thing would be not killing it at all. All that said, I hope this student grows to understand that she's hanging her hat on other people's traditions instead of really ruminating on what she believes. And I hope she's able to grow into herself and figure that out.

[@fromeveryting29]

Interesting! I have an oxford book on how different cultures and religions have thought about the relationship between animals and humans, and found a very striking and inspiring perspective in old islam. It was something like "humans should emulate the greatness and mercy from Allah to humans in their own relationship with 'lowe animals' by treating them with mercy." Sort of like the "humans have responsibility for animals because we have power, and what will define our greatness is how merciful and good we use that power over others." I thought that was wonderful.

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

Do Muslims also have specific food limitations during Ramadan like the fasting time in Orthodox (vegan) and old Catholic (vegetarian) Christianity? I understand that no food or drinks are consumed from dawn till dusk during Ramadan, but I thought any food may be eaten after the sun goes down or am I wrong?

[@sarahnaithammou]

@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear you're right. The only real limitation would be not eating or drinking from dawn to dusk. There are other things that are considered advisable regarding types of food to break the fast (e.g. dates and water) as well as being mindful of not overeating at night, but as far as types of food goes, anything that is considered permissible every other time of the year would be allowed while not fasting during Ramadan.

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

@@sarahnaithammou I did not know that dates and water (or other foods) were recommended to break the fast. That is interesting. :) Extra question if I may: Would you say it is easier or harder for a Muslim to go vegan than for Christians?

[@sarahnaithammou]

@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear that's an interesting question but one that I wouldn't really know the answer to. Most long-term vegans I know aren't very religious, so it'd be difficult to say. Christianity and Islam have more in common than not, so I'd imagine whether or not a Christian or Muslim might be vegan would have less to do with traditions in their religions and more to do with the relationships individuals have with animals and their ability to sympathize with non-humans.

[@Corboy6]

There’s a subtle brilliance in the hand-held mic in this format. I feel like if it was a stationary mic on a stand then people would be much less inclined to let him get 2 words in, but by swinging the mic back and forth it’s kind of enforcing it in a non confrontational way

[@GavinJ06]

Man you gotta hand it to him on that one. He really handled that interaction almost perfectly. I definitely wouldn't have been as composed/friendly.

[@martaa8929]

How is he so zen is beyond me. I would love to have his patience for people like that

[@dorothea4614]

I really loved the analysis of this conversation. Thank you! I follow Ed Winters' journey for a while, he's an amazing human being. I admire him for his activism, even though so many people find vegan activists annoying, somebody has to do it. I'm vegan for almost 10 years but I could never do what he does. I was "confronted" by my meat-eating coworkers so many times, it's not fun at all.

[@joez3706]

He is so amazingly patient. He's a class act!

[@zachzackzak]

I don't think that all cultural appropriation is necessarily bad -- but she seems like she has appropriated it simply as a scapegoat; similar to if someone was sexist and decided to convert to a religion where it is more acceptable to be sexist, and use that as an excuse to say and do whatever they wanted against the other sex. I think he said he would feel "less" guilty about throwing a rock because he was trying to not shoot down what she said she believed.

[@avocadochony211]

I think you are getting cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation confused. Cultural appreciation is good and cultural appropriation is bad.

[@berniv7375]

Throwing a rock on the ground would be an aggressive act and the misuse of cosmic energy.🌱

[@zachzackzak]

@@avocadochony211 I'm not. She even uses both in the video. Appreciation and appropriation have distinctly different meanings. Appreciation is an outside-looking-in perspective, and appropriation is when you take something for yourself without the consent of the people who it belongs to.

[@zachzackzak]

@@berniv7375 I like that mindset, thank you for commenting!

[@KsandrPann]

@@avocadochony211 People say that, but more often than not, people don't see the difference.

[@Serioslump]

You should definitely react to some of Ed’s other debates! This was a good one :)

[@Dead_in__side__]

I love that Ed is just completely calm and respectful and you’re just laughing your ass off 🤣

[@Mark_Wheeler]

The look on your face when she said that a moose will gladly give itself up to a hunter was priceless! I just discovered your channel, so I hope you don't mind me commenting on older videos. You are a refreshing voice of reason and civility. Keep up the good work!

[@basscomputer]

Lucid and crystal clear analysis as usual, Swayze. This girl was the pinnacle of cringe. I didn't think I would make it past 5 minutes. In fact, I couldn't make it 1 minute with earthling Ed alone - I needed your commentary as an additional buffer and was still wincing my way through it. Glad I did though.

[@FateWorseThanDeath]

Even after he makes a point to [falsely] praise her for how they're able to have a civil conversation she is so rude and disrespectful. Instead of realizing her arguments aren't as sound as she thought and reflecting on that, she's dismissive of anything he has to say.

[@paulinefollett3099]

She was so rude and dismissive. Her arguments were very weak. Well done Ed for having the patience of a saint.

[@m.e.6271]

to your point at 7:40, I think this was still about wether or not vegan/plant-based people still support the exploitation of workers. this is where the supply chains come in because almost no one can guarantee that no worker is being exploited at some point during the production

[@goranbreskic4304]

Exactly. Coffee is vegan, but coffee workers are exploited. (Not all, but often).

[@labelle10]

Yes agree that’s what he was getting at

[@matiasmartinez720]

It makes me unconfortable the way people try to justify so much suffering. Yet I know that the world is constantly changing for the better, even if people are still contributing to such a huge amount of suffering.

[@polikink12]

Ed is really amazing at this! I really appreciate his calmness.

[@katkat7828]

Watch more of his videos and react, please! Love the content. I'm blown away by all the people on your previous video trying to excuse her behaviour as if she wasn't just an arrogant, rude, illogical asshat

[@goranbreskic4304]

Illogical, yes, but she is not being rude and how is she arrogant?

[@katkat7828]

@@goranbreskic4304 talking over him at an unnecessarily high volume, making faces, walking away from him at the end with a face like a slapped ass whilst he thanked her. She literally looked disgusted and walked off. Arrogance came with her utterly deluded ignorance. Having zero sound arguments all the while not caring to listen or understand his arguments because she appeared as though she knew it all. Arrogant, rude loudmouth. I've seen dozens of these Earthling Ed discussions and she's one of the worst people he's ever talked to.

[@user-vn6xo2tc9r]

Yassssss I’ve been waiting for Part 2!!!

[@Quile99]

She's arguing about halal, indigineous people, small farms etc. with poor, uneducated arguments, but even if what she's saying was true, what does that have to do with why isn't *she* vegan?? She isn't indigineous, muslim or owner of a small farm???

[@cherrybearylemondrop]

Thanks for the video, Swayze. This was a cringe marathon. Woof. In my health class (public school in Wisconsin, mid 00's), we watched "Super Size Me" (not sure if it was in the curriculum or the teacher wanted to show it). There was no further conversation about factory farming. It felt like the purpose was just to form negative associations with fast food.

[@corbinbishop7097]

Im from Canada and also watched super size me in health class, but I don't think it was in the curriculum, teacher just wanted to put it on.

[@potatochip5646]

Texan here- my experience was that I was never taught anything like that. Neither were my children.

[@marianacimarra7539]

I'd enjoy another one of these !!

[@elenab1996]

17:59 "Watch this Lisa - you can actually pinpoint the second when Swayze's brain rips in half."

[@BrooklynWalka]

This is the perfect example of you should have just sat there and ate your food. I hope she watched the video back and realizes how uninformed she is.

[@popinontoast]

I think you should do street activism unnatural vegan- your points are so thought provoking and insightful, and as a person who does street activism a lot, I've learned so much about how I should present myself during these debates from your videos. Keep up the brilliant work

[@aleeson887]

All I could think about was Elmo and Rocco when you started going off about the rock not having feelings 😂

[@pattycarljackson]

Please do more of these

[@rk-go3og]

I loved this! Please do more

[@Lucy-uv4hv]

Definitely recommend you watch and react to some more of Earthling Ed's videos! This one is a little different in tone to his usual debates - he usually asks more questions and doesn't usually speak so quickly, but I feel like he had to in this one, just so she wouldn't interrupt him!

[@heatherdyett9119]

I took his point about supply chains being murky more as being about plant-based products from companies like Nestle or their subsidiaries, also not knowing in which supply chains slavery is present. Not so much about slaughterhouses as such. I agree that giving slaughter-based companies a financial reason to make plant-based alternatives should be a goal.

[@lewamush9325]

Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you!

[@blacknoisyblue]

Earthling Ed is one of the main reasons I started to think about veganism, and ultimately went vegan 💕🌱

[@mayhu3282]

I absolutely love both of you, Ed and you, so watching this interaction is a delight. I really love how calm, wise, insightful vegans like you sound, compared to the absurd messy reasoning of those meat eaters.

[@justine4652]

I hate when people make the argument that vegans aren't paying attention to human rights issues. I know so many vegans who avoid palm oil, only buy fair trade chocolate and coffee, and but their produce at the farmer's market. You don't have to pick one over the other

[@corbinbishop7097]

So true, people who are vegan already have the belief that their purchases matter and influence the world around them. A lot of people scapegoat the responsibilities of their purchases on those companies (i.e. I'm not the one killing the cow, putting kids in dangerous factories etc). At least vegans have already overcome the hurdle of recognizing the power of individual purchasing decisions; this makes it much easier for them to hold themselves accountable for human rights issues related to foods. Plus, even veganism itself is completely pro-human.

[@justine4652]

@@corbinbishop7097 I totally agree. My other least favorite is "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism."

[@QuinnyBob1]

i think when shes talking about the rock shes talking about dwayne the rock johnson

[@gotatochigs314]

Omg loved the intro. It was even better in context.

[@blueveins295]

Back in high school, an ag worker was brought in who told us that factory farming is a myth lmao

[@TheSapphireLeo]

So he admits all farms are the same?

[@jessicaaabvb]

Why would she care about Halal meat/slaughter or respect/indigenous practices if she doesn’t believe animals aren’t sentient? Even when I ate meat, I never tried so hard to justify it, I just said I’m not interested in changing lol. 7+ years vegan now!

[@corbinbishop7097]

My best excuse was "it tastes good" that didn't last long, especially when I got into the animal care field.

[@alexaconner7429]

I’ve said this to people a million times, if YOU feel guilty about what I’m saying (about veganism), that’s on YOU. If you feel guilty, maybe you should re evaluate what you’re doing…🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Darmok_onthe_ocean]

That diet Dr Pepper in front of her probably should be switched out for a non caffeinated drink.

[@joez3706]

Lol, that's hilarious 😂

[@user-zt2cn5in2h]

I really want to watch this but I literally cannot listen to that human any longer. She’s in a holier than though mind set and just saying words that don’t have any thought. It’s like she listened to someone make the arguments she’s making and is just trying to regurgitate them without even understanding them…

[@realangie]

I needed this today 🙏 thank you

[@realangie]

This woman is infuriating

[@realangie]

And that buffalo fact is the most horrifying thing I've heard in a while

[@ryansanmiguel7270]

I’m from Texas and I’m not sure what she’s talking about when she said we’re taught fast food meat is worse compared to other meat. But I do remember one year in our English class we spent a semester studying factory farming. Instead of reading a classic novel like we usually did, we had to read The Omnivore’s Dilemma for our assigned reading and we watched Food Inc. in class. This was back in 2012.

[@edvelazquez9467]

You should review the video he did about a month ago where the person he interviews was completely different. It was great to see

[@hillaryreece7638]

Around the 7:00 mark he was talking about the people being exploited from plant based, NON animal farming. Like if he does or does not buy from companies that treat migrant workers unfairly and such. Ed is saying he unfortunately cannot say for certain if for example the company that produced a potato he bought from the grocery store might have exploited a migrant worker to harvest it.

[@CompassionIsPower]

Good review

[@britt905]

When he was talking about supply chains, I think he meant like, yes we know where beyond meat comes from, but do we know where all the pea for the pea protein for the Beyond meat comes from. Or just buying any produce at the grocery store.

[@kathasthebestdog]

Her reactions were so cringy to me, especially how she fled. I hope she reflects more on the whole topic.

[@minakoa7178]

That girl has some serious maturing to do

[@bluerainbow11]

I have huge respect for Ed Winters - Earthling Ed, I think he does a fantastic job debating people and challenging their beliefs around veganism and slaughtering animals, etc. but I also like your points in regards to things he could have said instead. Nevertheless, it's probably harder to address these things in the heat of the moment. But, I think he did great, and I am fangirling lol. I admire you both, from what I have seen from both of you, you are both fantastic. Keep up the good work and critical thinking! I think you would do great in these types of discussions as well, however, I understand not having enough patience for this kind of thing, and that's something I am working on myself. It's different having these rational thoughts when you are not in the heat of a passionate discussion.

[@alina_herbivore]

A large company in Germany (Rügenwalder Mühle) that mainly produces meat products entered the vegan/vegetarian market in 2015. This year, for the first time, they sold more vegan/vegetarian products than meat. The company's CEO said he will see Rügenwalder Mühle go completely vegan.

[@jens6754]

Ed is amazing, for sure! Many people (like myself at that age) will fight a losing battle when on the spot like that, even when we do it to ourselves. The girl seems intelligent enough to learn and grow from the experience (again, I was that person once) though it may take some time. I think she'll do ok. 😉

[@tfromcleveland3741]

Everyone knows moose are actively weaponizing their martyrdom. Bad faith example.

[@Nick_Lyston]

At 6:53, I think what Ed is saying is that we can't know for sure when we buy plant-based products that the company didn't harm animals in production or transport, but we CAN know for sure when we buy animal-based products that an animal was harmed. Using uncertainty in one case to justify knowingly doing harm in another is intellectually dishonest.

[@nylon6240]

7:15 they were talking about the conditions in which the workers who produce products are in.Specially products that come from other countries,like avocados and stuff like that if I remember correctly

[@smilethedarknessishere5306]

On the topic of sentient rocks, I implore you to look into the Elmo Rocco feud.

[@mairzydoats4879]

The only thing I can think with texas school thing is it's a misunderstanding of things Temple Grandin has talked about. Temple Grandin brings up that some fast food chains and chains like costco contract with factory farms and slaughterhouses that exclusively supply them. But that doesn't imply those conditions are worse and she actually states she finds those conditions better than average, which says alot.

[@mairzydoats4879]

(and by "better conditions" she means fails less inspections)

[@rachelsarapuu8854]

You should do a debate! You would crush it! 😃

[@bear211]

Using indigenous cultures as a shield is frankly just disrespectful and cynical. She thinks she's oh so liberal, but in reality she's just coping with her conservatism in regards to food and animal wellfare. Absolutely annoying.

[@holisticmaya]

Can you also react to the other debate he did with the guy “meat eater to vegan”?

[@voxxy6108]

It can be extremely difficult to admit gaps in knowledge and being wrong. But i hope she thought about this encounter constructively after

[@someguy2135]

Watch other Earthling Ed videos to see that he usually talks more slowly. She was a special case.

[@zibbernautinbookspace]

Strange that she went from Indigenous to Inuit then to Muslim beliefs, makes it very hard to guess which one she believes.

[@TySmashPlants]

Its very irritating when people constantly move the goal post. Ed is the GOD of patience lol 😩

[@SeeNickView]

I believe at 7:13 Ed is saying that for any given product, whether it's a pure substance made entirely of only pea protein or only fermented soy beans, or a mixed substance incorporating spices and different proteins and coconut oil and whatever: All of those components have the potential to be made by sub-contractors beneath the main company that you see on store shelves. I'm not as aware about food supply chains as I am automobile ones, which should be flipped, but with automobiles a lot of the big American manufacturers, Chevy, Ford, GM, Chrysler-Fiat, get parts of their cars from other specialist manufacturers. For Electric Vehicles specifically, a lot of Li-ion batteries come from LG/Samsung/SDK/3M/etc. For motors, I think a good portion come from Bosch and others. The main body of most cars however are made at the Ford/Chevy/Chrysler-Fiat manufacturing centers though. The car is assembled by those companies, but the subcomponents may come from elsewhere. So, *if we were to speculate* , for a Beyond Meat Italian sausage for instance, the pea/rice/fava bean proteins in that may come from Beyond Meat themselves or from 1 or 2 or many different farmers/growers. The coconut and sunflower oils may come from Beyond Meat themselves or 1 or 2 or many different producers. The potato starch and lesser compounds might come from Beyond Meat themselves or from 1 or 2 or many different producers. Etc. So what Ed is saying is that many companies that sell plant-based and vegan products don't make it transparent right down to the soil/water from which they grow from the ingredients in their products. And any link along the chain from production to assembly to distribution to point-of-sale to waste/destruction offers the chance for humans and animals to be exploited and harmed.

[@maddyjohnson6133]

Because of watching this I am now triggered by the word "RIGHT"

[@sarahking7862]

She probably watched Food Inc and they absolutely talk about other forms of meat consumption. They focus on fast food because that's where a lot of people eat their meals cheaply. It's focused on health and animal cruelty. It does talk about both fast food and general meat.

[@CassandraEvergreen]

Just wanted to quickly chime in and let you know that when he was saying the companies are murky, I felt that he was responding to her question about whether he chooses vegan products that come from companies that treat their workers well. He was saying that there isn't transparency about that so unfortunately he can't know whether he is or isn't, but that if there was transparency, he absolutely would and believes that most vegans would also, considering veganism is foundationally a stance on compassion for all, and it would be a natural extension.

[@marzettik]

This was good. I enjoyed it.

[@giannis_tar]

Oh god I do this thing too where I'm waiting to speak instead of listening 😅 In my defense, usually it's because I've already understood what the other person is trying to say, or I've already thought about it. I've been trying lately to pretend like I haven't so that i don't give the impression that I'm not listening

[@jessicahadland7489]

I was putting off watching this because I knew it would be frustrating... I didn't even know the half of it. Was literally yelling at my TV

[@StorybookApothecary]

I'm pagan/Wiccan and many of us believe in animism. It has nothing to do with what she's expressing at all. Animism is the belief that everything has a soul/spirit, including animals, plants, and even inanimate objects. It doesn't have anything to do with eating or not eating meat, however; you could make the argument that if you do believe in animism, then you would probably not eat meat for both ethical, planetary and environmental reasons lol. But again, it's not a relevant argument. Animisim may come from indigenous peoples, but that includes both Celtic, Saxon and Norse peoples who, historically, were Caucasians. She's obviously coming from a hugely ignorant place about this assuming #1 that all indigenous people are BIPOC and #2 that they all believe in animism or that any of it has anything to do with her?

[@nathantripathy]

I think you will agree Swayze, people have a hard time reconciling that bad/negative/unfortunate/icky outcomes can come from benign feelings. I think alot of people like this woman think that if people are responsible for a bad thing they are deliberately acting badly. I think a lot of lefty jumping around comes from a need to state a morally right feeling position so they don't have to face that their benign actions can have icky outcomes.

[@CaoilfhionnAgrona]

I applaud Ed on this one. I would have broke down crying out of frustration.

[@rebeccamorrison1313]

I live and grew up in Texas and I was never taught that fast food meat is factory farmed and that grocery store meat isn't. I don't believe is even touched on in the curriculum. The only thing I ever knew about animal agriculture came from my dad owning a dairy back in the day and later renting his land out for cattle grazing (before being sent to slaughter...) so yeah idk.

[@cloudysensation8406]

Unnatural Vegan and Earthing Ed? It's Christmas!! 🤭

[@suebatista2790]

I...just... I cannot. The end.

[@eastonmartin5342]

Clocked her

[@namedesired]

I should learn from this guy.

[@anarchisttutor7423]

Guilt for the guilty is like exercise for the obese. Nobody wants to go through it but as long as you don't overdo it, you'll be better for it. I don't understand why people demonize guilt. We've evolved to feel it for a reason. Let's make wise use of it.