Celtic Influence on English?!

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@allanferguson5260
@allanferguson5260 5 ай бұрын
More and more evidence backs up that Gaelic developed in Scotland and the Gaels who were in Scotland first (being backed up by archeology and genetics), took it to Ireland from Scotland, not the other way around. The confusion and narrative partly all stems from historians making assumptions about other historians assumptions, about assumptions the Romans were assuming. It wasn’t long ago that the Scottish “kings lists” were assumed to have been Dalriadan (which was mostly in Scotland and only had a small territory in the north of Ireland), whereas now they are treated as so called “Pictish” kings lists… Gaelic speaking “Picts” bringing adoption of Gaelic culture/language by the so called Picts, further back. The Gaelic language was also spoken much further south in Britain than previously assumed. The “Irish” narrative has been used throughout history as an attempt to establish an “English” legitimacy; the English are the people of Britain and the others came from Ireland. That narrative is so strong that it has actually been used in the past to try and shame Scot’s out of speaking Gaelic, the name of the language was changed to Airse (Irish), the lowest type of person on the British Isles according to the British narrative. If you speak it, you are no better than the Irish (whom the English thought very little of). You can also blame Bede for a lot of the confusion and misunderstandings about early British history, that and for making the English see themselves as the English (Anglos) rather than the Saxons. Bede lived in Anglo territory, probably the most powerful kingdom in what is todays “England” of the time; Northumbria, which, at one point, spread in to todays Scottish Lothians. In the Alanis Morrisette definition of Irony, the Southern Scots can claim to Speak Anglish, whereas the people we call the Anglish, speak Saxish. Bede may have just been referring to the whole of England by using his own peoples identity, Northumbrian Anglos, as they dominated this period, and the word has been used to describe the whole of the inhabitants of southern part of Britain subsequently, but not always. Most of the Anglo Territory later became part of Danelaw, leaving the Saxon territories the dominant culture in the rest of England that wasn’t Danelaw. Alfred the Great, a Saxon king, claiming to be the king of the Anglos and the Saxons, because the only Anglo kingdom outside of Danelaw was Mercia, which Alfred had claimed as his. Anglo and Saxon culture and language did end up having less differences than similarities and many historians will argue that by Alfred the Greats time, it could have been regarded as the same thing, but Northumbrian dialects share more with the Scots dialect than it does with the rest of England, which may have been influenced by the differences in what Saxons and Anglos spoke. (And a heavier Norse/Dane influence) Gaelic was possibly also spoken throughout the kingdom of Northumbria. Gaelic, before Bedes time, was also the language of the early church,. It was the Scottish church (established “Irish” monks, a word often used to identify Gaelic speakers and not necessarily someone from “Ireland”) that sent missionaries in to England to convert the Anglo kingdom of Northumbria to Christianity. The Scots built a famous monastery there, Lindisfarne. The Saxons became Christian’s when Augustine was sent by pope Gregory to establish the Roman church in Saxon lands. This all caused huge problems in Britain, two versions of Christianity, the older Gaelic church refusing to change their dates and practices to the newer Roman churches practices, which culminated in the synod of Whitby. This connection to the Gaelic version of Christianity, surely, would have massively influenced the English language, particularly in the north, Later on the northern dialect English would completely change the English language through the printing of books, as did the Scottish dialect of English which had been influenced to greater extent by Gaelic. The whole of Scotland spoke Gaelic at one point in time and had plenty of mixing with Anglos, particularly early on, fighting as allies against the Saxons. King David of Scotland’s kingdom went all the way down to the river Humber, that’s a huge part of today’s England, being inside of the Kingdom of Scotland. The borders between the two kingdoms were also constantly moving. King James the 6th of Scotland, the first king of the United Kingdom, also greatly influenced the English language by writing a bible in English, a bible that is still used today…. The Gaelic word for English is Sassainn which means obviously Saxon, but interestingly not Anglo (a similar word is used by the Welsh, Manx and the Cornish)….. There are lots of Gaelic words in today’s English, noggin (head), muck (means pig but pigs are dirty), brogue (shoe), Smashing (as in, that’s great! S’math sin!), Bard, Bog, Crag, Galore, Pet, Shindig, Trousers (this one is funny, in England they like to make fun of Americans for saying “Pants” for trousers… the Americans are actually using the shortened version of the English word for trousers, “Pantaloons”, whereas the English have adopted the Scottish word “trouser” a word that does seem to have Germanic\Norse, origins but the gaels and Scots were using it well before it became common in England) To ignore Gaelic or Scotland and also, another huge elephant in the room, the Scots dialect, as a huge influence on English language, would be a completely ignoring a huge, influential part of British history and culture.
@baneofbanes
@baneofbanes 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve actually seen the use of the word “crag” fairly often.
@stockphotowhiteguy11
@stockphotowhiteguy11 5 жыл бұрын
Hunter Smith especially in poetry written by pillocks
@zerog5580
@zerog5580 5 жыл бұрын
Cairn also get used by hikers. At least it did when I was a kid. Though I see that Cairn is listed as Scottish by the dictionary
@ΚύριεΜάκη
@ΚύριεΜάκη 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of fells in the Lake District are called Crag
@Malachiore
@Malachiore 5 жыл бұрын
It's fairly common among climbers in the states, and not particularly uncommon among the general pop.
@davidcufc
@davidcufc 5 жыл бұрын
Crag is rarely spoken. Craggy in expressions like 'craggy face' is more common.
@grillygrilly
@grillygrilly 4 жыл бұрын
I stopped using the do-support in English. I now say "Believest thou me?" instead of "Do you believe me?"
@naillijseer
@naillijseer 4 жыл бұрын
Good job!!!!
@Soitisisit
@Soitisisit 4 жыл бұрын
I believe not.
@NationalistCoalition
@NationalistCoalition 4 жыл бұрын
Believest thou this?
@grillygrilly
@grillygrilly 4 жыл бұрын
@@NationalistCoalition Yes.
@NationalistCoalition
@NationalistCoalition 4 жыл бұрын
@@grillygrilly thou sayest well
@BillySugger1965
@BillySugger1965 5 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating! I’m English and my mother-in-law was born and lived in North Dorset, in the South West of England. She frequently used the general “do” (without emphasis) in her sentence constructs, presumably from the Dorset dialect, influenced by ancient Brythonic. Examples would be “I did go to the shop this morning”, or “we do have an early supper on winter nights”. So this Brythonic. grammatical element survived into living memory, in spoken language, and likely still does in elderly people in the English West Country.
@Langfocus
@Langfocus 5 жыл бұрын
Hi guys! I hope you like the new video! The major source for this video was John McWhorter's book “Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue,” which is both an educational and entertaining read. Also, for the people commenting about the occurrence of “do support” in German dialects and so on, McWhorter addresses this in his book and says why he thinks it’s not the same as what occurs in English and Celtic.
@eewag1
@eewag1 5 жыл бұрын
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@yeetyeet-jb6nc 5 жыл бұрын
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@davidchristian8218
@davidchristian8218 5 жыл бұрын
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@yeetyeet-jb6nc
@yeetyeet-jb6nc 5 жыл бұрын
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@mexicounexplained
@mexicounexplained 5 жыл бұрын
"Do" is still sometimes used in "cowboy talk" here in the Southwestern US, not for affirmative emphasis, but much like in your Shakespearean examples: "John Barner got done busted up at the rodeo." Various forms of the auxiliary verb "to do" are still thrown around by rural folk here.
@calar333
@calar333 4 жыл бұрын
I've never heard it in that order. It's always "done got".
@sharonjuniorchess
@sharonjuniorchess 4 жыл бұрын
They probably got it from the indians. There was documentary evidence that a group of Welsh people sailed to America in the 11th Century and were later assimilated into an Indian tribe who could also speak welsh.
@calar333
@calar333 4 жыл бұрын
@@sharonjuniorchess Where is this documentary evidence?
@sharonjuniorchess
@sharonjuniorchess 4 жыл бұрын
@@calar333 In an eleventh century church in Wales. It recorded some locals setting off to sail and then returning some years later telling others about a new land they had found and taking more people with them to settle there. The families names were recorded in the church records.
@calar333
@calar333 4 жыл бұрын
@@sharonjuniorchess okay, but what proof is there that it was North America?
@osasunaitor
@osasunaitor 5 жыл бұрын
4:40 Similarly, Basque also uses an emphatic "do" verb ( _egin_ ) in past tenses. Example: _Joan nintzen_ = I went _Joan _*_egin_*_ nintzen_ = I *did* go Considering that Basque has also been in contact with Celtic languages in ancient times, I wonder if it's also a case of Celtic influence. Or maybe the opposite? Who knows
@timflatus
@timflatus 5 жыл бұрын
If the feature is not found in Germanic and Romance languages there is an argument for influence from a pre-Celtic substrate. There is a theory that the Picts and original inhabitants of Cornwall and Wales may have spoken languages related to Basque. I can't help wondering if there is a link between « etxe », « chy » [Kw], and «chez » [Fr].
@osasunaitor
@osasunaitor 5 жыл бұрын
@@timflatus That's an interesting hypothesis indeed! However similar lexical coincidences have been found between Basque and Japanese words too, so it's hard to tell if causation or just correlation. I wonder if the mystery will be solved one day
@osasunaitor
@osasunaitor 5 жыл бұрын
@TòochiCould be... As far as I know, Basque is not generally considered a part of the European sprachbund, but this feature clearly suggests otherwise!
@junovzla
@junovzla 5 жыл бұрын
@@timflatus nop, the only languages that could've contacted basque were latin, french, spanish, and celtic, the first 3 dont have the feature... so we might have somthing in here, and considering basque is a language isolate it could've carried the feature with it and transfered it to celtic, so this english thing may have originated there, who knows
@timflatus
@timflatus 5 жыл бұрын
@@rafaelcota thank you. I think far too much weight is put on the idea of prestige. I think that presupposes a dominant invading culture, so I think I need to change my terminology here. I think in terms of mother and father languages. Here the Megalithic Atlantic seaboard languages like Basque are the 'mother' and Celtic languages the 'father'. I think the same may be true of the way Old English and Old Norse combined.
@WarriorofSunlight
@WarriorofSunlight 5 жыл бұрын
You know, English is actually a pretty fascinating language. People that I see on the internet seem to be convinced that it’s the most boring, dull, generic, Great Value language ever but the actual truth is quite the opposite. It has a lot of really amazing culture and history behind it and has come into contact with so many other interesting languages such as Old Norse, Welsh, Latin, Greek, and so on. It has a rather complex and even somewhat exotic phonology and contains many features that set it apart from most other languages. And the Old English language looks and sounds super cool. English is a strange language, indeed. But a boring one? Absolutely not.
@odolwa099
@odolwa099 5 жыл бұрын
Someone: They use Celtic rules in English? Northerner: They do, though, don't they, though!
@gazlink1
@gazlink1 5 жыл бұрын
Look up Yan Tan Tethera. The counting system Shepards used (and some still use) in many parts of the Northern England and including many counties bordering Wales, and the mid south of England. I also think that Latin and Celtic would have been much closer together than they were to Anglo-Saxon. Same with Norman French which might have some Celtic influence from Brittany, and a significant amount of Gallic.. there were even Breton lords in William the Conquerors army. All of these sources - Romano-British, Norman French (Brittany and Gallic) and Latin being more similar to Celtic than it is to German (you only had to go a few hundred miles north of Rome to be in Celtic territory when it was a city state) means that Celtic roots of words or grammar can be rewritten to Latin roots very easily - especially if you don't know the Celtic roots, which many linguists today don't - they much more readily only now their Latin equivalents. So there's possibly much Celtic influence in English today being left rewritten as Latin influence.
@anonb4632
@anonb4632 5 жыл бұрын
@@gazlink1 Hardly anyone uses Yan Tan Tethera, and haven't for decades.
@gambigambigambi
@gambigambigambi 5 жыл бұрын
@@gazlink1 There was a popular story that when Cesar was doing his conquest in Gallia, he was kidnapped from his camp. While in a cage, he was able to understand what the Gauls were saying almost like Latin which he was able to offer a deal. It was an incredible story that further supports the Italo-Celtic branch of Indo-European family tree.
@stevesmith6678
@stevesmith6678 5 жыл бұрын
Is this a genuine Celtic idiosyncrasy?
@waterdragon2340
@waterdragon2340 5 жыл бұрын
@@gazlink1 They're all indo-european so the similarities are pretty obvious - just try counting to 10 in any celtic, latin, slavic, germanic language for starters. Or persian or any north indian language for that matter. It does account for why we have such a huge vocabulary in English though - what with sets of words with overlapping meanings from different routes/roots
@ВладимирЛут-я7с
@ВладимирЛут-я7с 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am a Russian and I try to learn Welsh (and English). I did assume that all these ‘do/did’ in English should be a celtic stuff. Blwyddyn newydd hapus!
@Simonsvids
@Simonsvids 5 жыл бұрын
Ag i tithe!
@k.z.3646
@k.z.3646 5 жыл бұрын
Привет из Польши. Оказалось, что не только я хочу научить валлийский
@Xenogeek2
@Xenogeek2 4 жыл бұрын
I'm English and I've studied Russian and Welsh. I have to say Welsh is a lot easier :)
@ВладимирЛут-я7с
@ВладимирЛут-я7с 4 жыл бұрын
Cześć! And I have to say Welsh is a lot easier than Polish. At least in spelling. )
@k.z.3646
@k.z.3646 4 жыл бұрын
@@ВладимирЛут-я7с ахаха я понимаю, эти все пше, бже и так далее, а для нас поляков это нормально
@lindaschreiber5932
@lindaschreiber5932 5 жыл бұрын
As a former teacher of French and Italian with a special interest in the history of English, I am greatly impressed by your scholarship and clarity of explanations! Many, many thanks.
@gusgama8464
@gusgama8464 4 жыл бұрын
🙂
@levinb1
@levinb1 5 жыл бұрын
How many years I wondered about this weird use of “Do”. Now, I do know how “to do” ... the Do!
@ichbinhier355
@ichbinhier355 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@SchmulKrieger
@SchmulKrieger 5 жыл бұрын
It is just a language reformation in the 16th century, and obviously Shakespear didn't used it so for although it was already established.
@AvailableUsernameTed
@AvailableUsernameTed 5 жыл бұрын
Do you?
@divusgaiusjuliuscaesar4657
@divusgaiusjuliuscaesar4657 5 жыл бұрын
B. Levin How do you do? I hear you know how to do the do, so do tell how to do the do
@trollop_7
@trollop_7 5 жыл бұрын
See Betty Boo.
@uranus2970
@uranus2970 5 жыл бұрын
The „do support“ thing in English does exist in German too, although it sounds very primitive or childish to use the German equivalent „do“ in the way English does. A child could say: „Tust du Kaffe trinken?“( do you drink coffee?), but an adult would rather say: „Trinkst du Kaffe?“. I think children use „tun“ (to do) because it is easier to remember one conjugation for the word „tun“ than remembering all the weird unregular conjugations for verbs that German has.
@SameerKumar-jf5mi
@SameerKumar-jf5mi 4 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting take. Also look at the continuous-like formation using the infinitiv in German, as in "Ich bin am Essen." which mirrors the Welsh structure.
@markiec8914
@markiec8914 4 жыл бұрын
I understand your point but what you're omitting is that the do support MANDATORY in English but not so in German.
@BarelloSmith
@BarelloSmith 3 жыл бұрын
Not just that, in some German dialects it is the regular way of speaking.
@fromchomleystreet
@fromchomleystreet 3 жыл бұрын
I’m struck by how clearly “Tust du...?” are exactly the same words as “dost thou...? and “Trinkst du...?” are exactly the same words as “drinkest thou...?” The further you go back in time, the more English becomes recognisably German.
@BarelloSmith
@BarelloSmith 3 жыл бұрын
@@fromchomleystreet That's probably why I heard the rumour, that Shakespeare is far easier to understand by Germans that can speak English as well, as it is for mono-lingual native English speakers.
@brendanward2991
@brendanward2991 5 жыл бұрын
Galore, from the Gaelic "go leor" (a lot, enough).
@eternalblasphemy6526
@eternalblasphemy6526 5 жыл бұрын
Add to this "hooligan", "penguin" and some other words.
@davidcufc
@davidcufc 5 жыл бұрын
That would have to be a later borrowing because it's Gaelic rather than Brythonic.
@soyoltoi
@soyoltoi 5 жыл бұрын
One of the few adjectives that come after the noun in English (immemorial is another one, which comes from French).
@briancrawford8751
@briancrawford8751 5 жыл бұрын
@@soyoltoi Pussy Galore, right?
@Blaqjaqshellaq
@Blaqjaqshellaq 5 жыл бұрын
Glamor, slogan and brat.
@ryannoodle1
@ryannoodle1 5 жыл бұрын
In Irish the present progressive is expressed by using forms of the verb bí + subject + ag + verbal noun. So the sentence "Tá mé ag ithe" literally translates as "I am at eating". Fascinating to see Welsh uses "in" instead of "at" for the present progressive.
@yaboimatt9943
@yaboimatt9943 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed that we sometimes say “I’m in the middle of doing something”, which is a little bit like Welsh. I’m not sure if they’re related, but it sure is interesting
@ieuanabarthur3985
@ieuanabarthur3985 5 жыл бұрын
I have to question whether the "yn" in Welsh in this case can be translated as "in" as the mutations do not match in modern Welsh. After "yn" (meaning "in"), a speaker would expect a nasal mutation (e.g., Dw i'n byw YN Nghaerdydd - I live in Cardiff). However, the connective "yn" discussed in the video either causes a soft mutation to a following noun/adjective (e.g., Dw i'N dew - I am fat, or Dw i'N feddyg - I am a doctor) or no mutation to a following verb (Dw i'N byw - I live). Further, the basic Welsh verb sentence "Dw i'n mynd" can be translated may or may not have a "this moment" sense as it can be translated to English as "I am going," "I go" or "I do go".
@aldozilli1293
@aldozilli1293 5 жыл бұрын
@@yaboimatt9943 you can say that in Spanish as well so not specific to these Isles
@gerald4013
@gerald4013 5 жыл бұрын
@@ieuanabarthur3985 now there's a mutation/lack of mutation difference but was it always like that in history? What's the etymology of "yn" (before verbal nouns)?
@gerald4013
@gerald4013 5 жыл бұрын
@@barbaracornelius361 true; not surprising that Hiberno-English shows Irish influence! But "I'm after eating" isn't used by other English speakers, at least not in England, (maybe they say that also in the Gaelic part of Scotland and in Wales ? They use the same pattern in their native language: tha mi air ithe & w i wedi bwyta)
@raiknightshade3442
@raiknightshade3442 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen crag much, but I have used an adjective form: craggy, as in craggy rocks
@mahatmaniggandhi2898
@mahatmaniggandhi2898 3 жыл бұрын
craggy island
@manuelbonet
@manuelbonet 5 жыл бұрын
6:54 I'm a native Spanish speaker from Spain. I'd say it's very uncommon to use the present simple to refer to an ongoing action, it sounds weird to me. I exclusively use it to talk about a habit or a routine.
@MrBkbnk
@MrBkbnk 5 жыл бұрын
Same, I'm a first gen immigrant from Argentina and I don't think I would ever say "yo como" if I was eating right at that moment
@onesandzeroes
@onesandzeroes 5 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought when I was learning Spanish. I was amazed at how closely the present simple vs progressive distinction resembled English.
@oleksandrbyelyenko435
@oleksandrbyelyenko435 5 жыл бұрын
I am not native Spanish speaker but I live here. 100% agreed
@Langfocus
@Langfocus 5 жыл бұрын
🤷‍♂️ Whenever I confirm something with native speakers, other native speakers disagree. Welcome to the chaotic world of language!
@MrBkbnk
@MrBkbnk 5 жыл бұрын
@@onesandzeroes I also speak Japanese and I'd say it's the same in that, 今、ご飯を食べる (ima gohan o taberu) "Now, (I) eat rice" sounds like you're about to eat rice. Japanese has no future tense so maybe that's part of it, but if you wanted to say you are eating rice right now, you would definitely use the progressive. 今、ご飯を食べている (ima gohan o tabeteiru) "Now, (I'm) eating rice"
@GiGiGiWest
@GiGiGiWest 5 жыл бұрын
God i love this channel. I've actually been struggling trying to translate things like "do you like to go to the gym" in Spanish and racking my brain trying to think of conjugations for "to do" when in reality I don't need that. Always nice to see how the rules of language relate! Thanks as always
@GoGreen1977
@GoGreen1977 3 жыл бұрын
"¿Te gusta ir al gymnasio?" In this case, I've always wondered why in Spanish, I just can't ask someone if they LIKE something, instead of "is something pleasing" to them.
@ghriansaspeir2675
@ghriansaspeir2675 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoGreen1977 Well, in Old English "I like/ You like" was expressed with "Me liketh/Thee liketh". That is the same grammar as in the Spanish phrase "Me gusta/Te gusta". Object pronouns at the beginning of a sentence instead of subject pronouns followed by the verb like. In German there is a also phrase which follows the same grammar rule "Mir/Dir gefällt".
@joaovitorjungblut5225
@joaovitorjungblut5225 Жыл бұрын
@@GoGreen1977 in portuguese we have 'gostar' but we use it exactly like in english. 'Voce gosta disso?' 'Do you like this?'
@holz6661
@holz6661 5 жыл бұрын
It is also used in informal German: "Tun Sie essen?" Do you eat? And there is also a similar form for the progressive form: ich bin am Rennen. (I am runnning) Very often used.
@Carewolf
@Carewolf 5 жыл бұрын
Rennen is a noun though, not a verb form. As they said in the video English used to have two ways of doing it, with a verb-form and and noun-form. The verb form won out, but we still have the noun form in other Germanic languages.
@arminivs_war_metal
@arminivs_war_metal 5 жыл бұрын
In vulger Dutch also.
@joostwinter
@joostwinter 4 жыл бұрын
@@Carewolf It's a verbal noun with the form of the infinitive. So, quite similar to Celtic, where the verbal noun is used. This form is very commonly used to indicate progressive aspect in Dutch, e.g. "Ik ben aan het rennen." (and is entirely standard) The do-forms occur in some Dutch dialects but not the standard language.
@maximilianmustermann5763
@maximilianmustermann5763 4 жыл бұрын
@@Carewolf But you could just as well use it as a verb and say "ich renne". However if you want to emphasize that you are running *right now* , you'd have to say "ich renne gerade" ("gerade" = "at the moment") or use the aforementioned "ich bin am Rennen"
@NotQuiteFirst
@NotQuiteFirst 5 жыл бұрын
7:35 so is this why we say "the times they are a-changing" ?
@KrisHughes
@KrisHughes 5 жыл бұрын
linguistic habits are always preserved longer in poetry than in everyday speech.
@majarimennamazerinth5753
@majarimennamazerinth5753 5 жыл бұрын
Yep!
@pocketpicker6613
@pocketpicker6613 5 жыл бұрын
So you better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone!
@WhyDidntIInventYT
@WhyDidntIInventYT 5 жыл бұрын
up the airy mountain down the rushy glen we daren't go a-hunting for fear of little men
@ICXCTSARSLAVY
@ICXCTSARSLAVY 5 жыл бұрын
You can still find the a- prefix in speech in parts of Appalachia.
@KevDaly
@KevDaly 5 жыл бұрын
Breton (especially Old Breton) would be another good one to compare with, since it's a Brythonic language that developed in isolation from English from the time of Anglo-Saxon settlement.onwards
@hunbran7939
@hunbran7939 5 жыл бұрын
Agree.
@MrPictor
@MrPictor 5 жыл бұрын
Cumb translates to similar words in Breton, Welsh, Irish, Gaulish and French.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrPictor - Almost everything is very similar in Breton, Cornish and Welsh (all essentially "Old British"). With the other Celtic languages however one has to be more cautious.
@gerald4013
@gerald4013 5 жыл бұрын
the syntax of Old Breton isn't much known, we don't have much material in it, unfortunately.
@DarkTouch
@DarkTouch 5 жыл бұрын
my understanding of Breton people is that they were brythonic refugees from great britain during the germanic invasions, displaced by war, etc. that they brought brythonic with them and are not native to the continent. continental celtic is entirely extinct aside what has been absorbed into other languages, but no continental celtic languages survived. Your point however has interest in that early breton speakers would not have been influenced by germanic once they "escaped".
@ewanllewelyn9443
@ewanllewelyn9443 5 жыл бұрын
Welsh certainly DOES have other tenses of ‘do’ (gwneud) Wna i yfed te yfory = I will (do) drinking tea tomorrow Also, there is a future tense of most verbs. In literary Welsh these futures are seen used in the present tense and still some verbs retain present use in the spoken language.
@nendwr
@nendwr 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Very common when asking someone to do something - "Wnei di gau'r drws?" ("Do you closing the door?"). The issue is that the Welsh tense system has become somewhat reanalysed: what is formally a nice balanced tense-aspect system where we have a non-past imperfective ("presennol/dyfodol"/"present/future"), a non-past perfective ("gorffennol"/"preterite"), a past imperfective ("amherffaith"/"imperfect"), and a past perfective ("gorberffaith"/"pluperfect") gets submerged into the question of how one idiomatically describes something that's in the future as opposed to the present (or vice versa) or something that's conditional. The last things we have that are marked for aspect and not tense are "bod" (imperfective) and "i" (perfective) clauses.
@tiny_toilet
@tiny_toilet 4 жыл бұрын
Just learning, but I was wondering the same. Seems the video was not quite correct on these points. I have questions about the examples used with "Nest ti..."/"Nes i..." Does that correspond to a specific dialect or register? Also, would the future versions be "Nei di..."/"Na i..."?
@coltonriffle2310
@coltonriffle2310 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting video as usual. Keep them coming. Suggestions for future videos: - Celtic or Germanic Influence on French - How Different are European and Brazilian Portuguese? - The Pennsylvania German Language - The Danish Language - The Icelandic Language - The Welsh Language
@sylvainb2366
@sylvainb2366 5 жыл бұрын
The Romance languages are actually Celtic languages with Latin vocabulary.
@hunbran7939
@hunbran7939 5 жыл бұрын
- The Breton Language
@maloyaman113
@maloyaman113 5 жыл бұрын
@@sylvainb2366 this is way more complicated
@sylvainb2366
@sylvainb2366 5 жыл бұрын
@@maloyaman113 Plus regional influence e.g. French has Germanic influence, Spanish ; Arabic influence, Italian ; Greek influence, Romanian ; Slavic influence, etc.
@tonyhawk94
@tonyhawk94 5 жыл бұрын
@@sylvainb2366 Absolutely not.
@nullset560
@nullset560 5 жыл бұрын
I would adore an exploration of Irish-English and how it mirrors Irish structures
@washyourmouthoutwithpope1334
@washyourmouthoutwithpope1334 4 жыл бұрын
i was just about to suggest this!! things like the habitual be and plural you "ye"
@31ll087
@31ll087 3 жыл бұрын
Wait there's an Irish English? I'm Irish and I just thought it was British English with fucked accent.
@ggkitchener1122
@ggkitchener1122 3 жыл бұрын
@@31ll087 hiberno irish but you're right in reality lol
@WannzKaswan
@WannzKaswan Жыл бұрын
Your wish came true
@ignacioignogrundinglestheg9089
@ignacioignogrundinglestheg9089 4 жыл бұрын
In Breton we sort of have that too since it's a sister language of welsh and Cornish, we can use the verb "to do" as an auxiliary to conjugate any verb at any tense in the exact same way. For example if you want to say "I eat" you can say "debriñ a ran" (literally "to eat I do") We also have that present continuous thing (I am washing the window=O walc'hiñ ar prenestr emaon, I wash the window=Ar prenestr a walc'han)
@tompatterson1548
@tompatterson1548 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about Breton, since breton hasn’t had as much contact with english, you could probably use it to check if they spread from english to the welsh and cornish (it wouldn’t be quite as likely for them to hop the channel)
@frobinson6876
@frobinson6876 2 жыл бұрын
@@tompatterson1548 You are right about this Tom, I feel exactly the same way. So I moved to Brittany and studied Breton and it is quite clear that the features shared with English come from Celtic and not the other way round. There ae many ways in which Breton is bizarrely similar to English - all clearly Celtic features that English also shares.
@iryrr
@iryrr 2 жыл бұрын
Prenestr is so similar to the Welsh word for window: ffenestr
@autumnphillips151
@autumnphillips151 Жыл бұрын
@@iryrr I think that came from the Latin “fenestra”. Non-Italic languages use variants of it, too, like the Swedish “fönster”.
@romain6275
@romain6275 Жыл бұрын
@@iryrr fenêtre / fenestre in French
@Leo-uu8du
@Leo-uu8du 5 жыл бұрын
Bavarian also uses the meaningless "do" e.g. "Duast du essn?" (do you eat). Present continuous does also exist, even with the preposition or sometimes "do" instead. E.g. "Wås duast? - I dua wercha/I bi aum wercha" (what do you do? - I am working) These features don't exist in German, so where do they come from? English or celtic influence? An independant development?
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent 5 жыл бұрын
It's not just Bavarian; these grammatical constructs are found in many local vernaculars of German.
@maxx1014
@maxx1014 5 жыл бұрын
Speaking of southern German languages (Alemannic varieties and Bavarian varieties), it could well be that those are also having Celtic influences, given the fact that after Germanic tribes moved into southern Germany (core Celtic area) beginning at circa 200 BC, they lived alongside Celts well into the first centuries CE. For example in Swabian (Alemannic variety) we also use "do" as a marker, e.g. "Duasch du mi liabe?" which means "Do you love me?"
@Leo-uu8du
@Leo-uu8du 5 жыл бұрын
@@arthur_p_dent I know, it is common in all Upper German dialects (I think the border is the river Main or some other river) I just wasn't able to find example sentences for the other ones.
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent 5 жыл бұрын
@@maxx1014 Interesting theory about Celtic influence on German. FWIW, the same case could be made about Spanish. However, the influencing celtic languages would have to be continental celtic languages like Celtiberian or Gaulish or Lepontic - not Welsh or Breton like in the case of English. Do these continental Celtic languages even have the features Paul has been discussing? Might well be the case, but I for one don't really know. Also, another question would be how come French hasn't been affected but both Spanish and (edit) High German have.
@Leo-uu8du
@Leo-uu8du 5 жыл бұрын
@@maxx1014 That could be the reason, I mean many alpine traditions are also said to date back to celtic times (e.g. The expulsion of winter by mystical "Percht" creatures)
@bvignola2907
@bvignola2907 5 жыл бұрын
Vos chroniques sont toujours intéressantes. Un grand merci.
@morreamanha
@morreamanha 5 жыл бұрын
@@antonvasin2657 cala-te
@kkeanie
@kkeanie 5 жыл бұрын
Viva la Quebec!
@kkeanie
@kkeanie 5 жыл бұрын
@Digital Rain Mais, Je suis Anglophone, Je suis etudie la langue francaise. >
@kkeanie
@kkeanie 5 жыл бұрын
Je comprends le définition de mots. Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse!
@SharonH11100
@SharonH11100 5 жыл бұрын
Geez ~ I wish I’d never bothered to learn French ~
@laexploradoraaaXD
@laexploradoraaaXD 4 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered why this was the case and having learned English as a second language, it didn't really make sense. When I started reading Shakespeare, I found that curious, but now it makes sense.
@verfuncht
@verfuncht 5 жыл бұрын
YES! Ever since I looked at Welsh grammar, I've wondered if the auxiliaries had anything to do with those in English, and finally there's a video talking about it!
@bri-annaedwardine1697
@bri-annaedwardine1697 5 жыл бұрын
you looked at Welsh grammar and survived? Dda Iawn!!!
@DCMarvelMultiverse
@DCMarvelMultiverse 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. In the American South and Southwest, you hear the "a" preposition a lot. I am a running, I am a coming are common phrases.
@timcarlos
@timcarlos 5 жыл бұрын
The Bronze Age of DC Comics As an American, i always wondered why some regions of the USA will add the prefix "a-" to some verbs and now I understand that phenomenon. I suppose it's possible that the American South became a linguistic isolate while English evolved or that the stronger Scottish/Irish immigration to our South influenced the parlance.
@eternalblasphemy6526
@eternalblasphemy6526 5 жыл бұрын
@@timcarlos I've also seen some examples of a-verbs in written language (~18th-19th century) (which kinda proves American English is somewhat more archaic than his oversea counterpart - this being British English.
@Dracopol
@Dracopol 5 жыл бұрын
A-hunting we will go, a-hunting we will go...
@moondust2365
@moondust2365 5 жыл бұрын
There's also the Christmas Song, "12 Days of Chrismas". To quote, "...Eight maids a-milking, seven swans a-swimming, six geese a-laying, FIVE GOLDEN RINGS!!!..."
@MsSonali1980
@MsSonali1980 5 жыл бұрын
@@moondust2365 That reads more like a shortend are -> a. are milking, are swimming, are laying
@saddamhussein3849
@saddamhussein3849 5 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of how many Creole languages have the vocabulary of the administrative language with the accent and grammar of the native.
@paranoidrodent
@paranoidrodent 4 жыл бұрын
McWhorter, the author of the book Paul is referring to, is a specialist in creole languages. He mentions it in one of the linguistics courses he taught for the Great Courses. I wouldn't be surprised if his expertise piqued his curiosity about the role of Celtic influence in English.
@atheistlinguist542
@atheistlinguist542 4 жыл бұрын
There is also the Middle English creole hypothesis, which posits that Middle English (and by extension modern English) should actually be classified as a creole, formed primarily from Norman French superstratal vocabulary and Anglo-Saxon substratal grammar.
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 3 жыл бұрын
@@atheistlinguist542 Not really. Although it is true that an significant proportion of English is from French and Latin. In common speaks, Germanic word are more often used.
@BroadwayRonMexico
@BroadwayRonMexico 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting you mention accent, since if you listen to "OP" (Original Pronunciation, the pronunciation of Shakespeare from his day, long before Received Pronunciation came about), it's very similar to Welsh, Irish, and Cornish accents
@jenm1
@jenm1 Жыл бұрын
I thought creole languages were ones born out of being unable to speak their native languages, or is it also due to trade/communal living?@@atheistlinguist542
@SavannahPhillipss
@SavannahPhillipss 5 жыл бұрын
3:42 not a native welsh speaker, but I am learning - I believe the correct written form is ‘wnest ti’. ‘nest ti’ is ellipsing the w, which is common in colloquial speech but not in writing
@ieuanabarthur3985
@ieuanabarthur3985 5 жыл бұрын
100% correct - the verbnoun "gwneud" begins with three consonants - yes, the "gwn" are all consonants - and to make speaking easier we either drop the "gw" and use just "neud" or drop the "w" and use "gneud in common speech". In book Welsh, the equivalent forms would be "Gwnest ti" (as a statement) and "Wnest ti" (as a question or negative)
@augustofos1
@augustofos1 5 жыл бұрын
About the present continuous: In Brazilian and European Portuguese we have an identical construction! However, the simple present cannot be used in the same form (as in your exemple from Spanish). Specifically in European Portuguese, the construction of the continuous is identical to the old celtic formation, with the "a" as preposition. And even though they have and understand the Brazilian form, they are very protective of their own. This really called my attention, because, not many people know, but there were celts in the iberian peninsula as well. Maybe there's a relation, who knows 🤔
@evertonmatheus7084
@evertonmatheus7084 5 жыл бұрын
There's no relation, I'm afraid. The Brazilian -ndo form is actually the older of the two and was well used in Portugal up until the early 20th century. Even today the -ndo form is used in Portugal with varying occurrence between dialects.
@FelipeZavan
@FelipeZavan 5 жыл бұрын
@@evertonmatheus7084 That's interesting to know as nowadays if you ask a Brazilian (I'm one) about the differences between Brazilian Portuguese and European Portuguese, the ndo (gerúndio) vs. a (preposição) thing will certainly be near the top of the list.
@marjet2228
@marjet2228 5 жыл бұрын
That form must have derived from Latin gerundium.
@chicoti3
@chicoti3 5 жыл бұрын
@@FelipeZavan I think there's a certain degree of ignorance among the Brazilians regarding European Portuguese. As a Brazilian myself it's very common to hear other people say that they downright cannot understand European Portuguese which sounds as insane as an American claiming he can't understand British English. If only we could eliminate this permeating ignorance we'd understand each other so much better, as opposed to one side yelling "you stole our gold" and the other yelling back "we speak real Portuguese, not you".
@evertonmatheus7084
@evertonmatheus7084 5 жыл бұрын
@@chicoti3 Agreed. Even though the differences between European and Brazilian Portuguese are deeper than British and American English and more akin to the difference between Metropolitan and Quebec French, the main reason why many Brazilians can't understand the Portuguese is simply a lack of exposure. With some effort both sides can easily understand each other without having to get needlessly defensive.
@chiarac2747
@chiarac2747 5 жыл бұрын
I LOVE YOU SO MUCH knowing that I'm passionate on languages my bf once asked me "where does "do" come from?" and I honestly didn't know. Now I do. Sei fantastico!
@eternalblasphemy6526
@eternalblasphemy6526 5 жыл бұрын
2:01 What about "craggy" then?
@Lightbeerer
@Lightbeerer 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, we all remember Craggy Island from Father Ted! I guess it's just the adjective form of cragg?
@ocoileain8689
@ocoileain8689 5 жыл бұрын
I've heard crag used in parts of England, but I think hillside or mountainside is more common.
@devinmurray4984
@devinmurray4984 5 жыл бұрын
I found this surprising. I've heard and use crag in everyday speech. In fact, there is at least one cliff with crag in it's name where I'm from in the Northeastern United states.
@vloguidice3932
@vloguidice3932 5 жыл бұрын
@@devinmurray4984 Absolutely! Also from northeastern US
@Ynysmydwr
@Ynysmydwr 5 жыл бұрын
@@ocoileain8689 Yes, "crag" is not at all uncommon in the English of England. The word is much more precise in meaning than just "hillside" or "mountainside", however; more "steep, rugged rock or cliff".
@kahaag
@kahaag 5 жыл бұрын
During the first year at school back in the sixties (in central Germany in a rural area) our teachers taught us not to to use "tuen" in phrases like, "Tust du das glauben?", "Tust du mir das geben?". What we originally did because we had learned it from our parents and grandparents. Just saying.
@valentinkuhfuss7718
@valentinkuhfuss7718 4 жыл бұрын
Und das kommt sicher nicht aus dem keltischen Bereich, denn auch im deutschen Süden nutzt man dieses "tun" an jeder Ecke. Z. B. "Tätest du sagen" anstatt dem hochdeutschen "Würdest du sagen" usw.
@kahaag
@kahaag 4 жыл бұрын
@@valentinkuhfuss7718 Es gibt ein berühmtes Keltenmuseum in Hallein bei Salzburg.
@Nangong123
@Nangong123 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, what are you talking about lol
@kahaag
@kahaag 4 жыл бұрын
@@Nangong123 The statement by Valentin is saying that the use of "tun" (to do) in the south of Germany certainly hasn't got anything to do with the Celts, so i mentioned that there is a famous museum about the Celts in Hallein, saying that there of course Celts had also been living.
@kathakoch5349
@kathakoch5349 4 жыл бұрын
"Tuten tut man nicht" Hat meine Mama immer gesagt.
@simonlow0210
@simonlow0210 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, I was just watching Celtic related videos and didn't expect Langfocus to upload a Celtic related video as well. XD
@altair738
@altair738 5 жыл бұрын
In German, I notice the usage of "do" as well as the continuous tense to refer to a current action. 1) "Tun" (engl. to do) is often used in colloquial German in a manner similar to "do" in English. Standard German: Er kocht nie (He never cooks) Colloquial German: Kochen tut er nie (he does not ever cook) This colloquial German is typical in certain rural dialects, you'll rarely hear it in cities. 2) German does not have a continuous tense like English, admittedly, but still there are sentence constructions that are similar. English: I am running right now German: Ich bin gerade beim Laufen (literally it would mean "I am currently at the Running", but just roll with it). It isn't extremely similar to English in this case, but it just came across my mind. I don't mean to doubt the existence of a Celtic influence on English, just something that flashed across my mind when watching your video. Thanks!
@andersringstrom825
@andersringstrom825 5 жыл бұрын
I first noticed this usage in a Swiss book that seemed to be written for slightly intellectually challenged children: "s papi tuet läse" 'father reads'.
@Carewolf
@Carewolf 5 жыл бұрын
1) That is a normalization. You are turning a verb into a noun with a helper verb. The generic helper verb is just 'tun'. English isn't normalizing, running is still a verb form, not a verb in noun form.
@altair738
@altair738 5 жыл бұрын
@@Carewolf German doesn't have a true continuous tense, I agree, it is a bit of a stretch. I am a bit confused as to which point you're responding to, though :) . Do note that I'm not at all a linguist, merely an amateur passerby...
@adrie.w
@adrie.w 5 жыл бұрын
The same happens in Dutch (and no *nominalization is involved there). In fact, in informal/colloquial Dutch more instances of non-emphatic 'do-support' can be regularly heard.
@maximilianmustermann5763
@maximilianmustermann5763 4 жыл бұрын
@@andersringstrom825 I don't know if you came to the conclusion it must be for intellectually challenged children because of the use of "do" - because if you did, you are wrong. A lot of original German dialects are using the "do" forms, sometimes exclusively, just like in English. I know from Alemannic Swabian that there is no other correct way to say some things. "I am eating" is "I dua essa" in Swabian. "Transscribing" 1:1 from High German ("ich esse") doesn't work and sounds completely off. And because Swiss German is another Alemannic dialect of German, I suspect it is the same there. Usage of "do" forms has always been used to stigmatize uneducated people in Germany, because it showed they didn't go to a fancy school and never learned the so-called correct grammar. But it's only correct grammar in what is called High German, which is basically an artificially constructed language.
@9UaYXxB
@9UaYXxB 2 жыл бұрын
The concision and depth of analysis you present, and the clarity of your examination, are stunning to listen to. What an intrepid intellect you have.
@falnica
@falnica 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of people say things like "I'm a-hunting" or "he's a-running" in the southern USA, so that preposition has NOT been lost Edit: For those saying these are examples of words like "Imma" listed to this song watch?v=sdCmwh_RztE or this one watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
@jarviswhitethebast
@jarviswhitethebast 5 жыл бұрын
Fernando Franco Félix I think that’s more formed from accents
@AverageAlien
@AverageAlien 5 жыл бұрын
Lol weird
@rivertakeshita306
@rivertakeshita306 5 жыл бұрын
people do say the word "I'm'ma" but this is just short for" I am going to"
@Ragemuffn
@Ragemuffn 5 жыл бұрын
Southern USA is pretty lost imo. ;P
@nozecone
@nozecone 5 жыл бұрын
@@rivertakeshita306 Wouldn't it be short for "I am a-going to"? After all, elsewhere in English - wait: are you saying that you've heard people say "I'm'ma" WITHOUT "going", so, for example, "I'm'ma to the store"? If so, that would be a combination of two archaic usages: 1) the verb "go" (in whatever form) being unspoken but 'understood', as in the Shakespearean "I am to the castle"; and, 2) the "a-" before the verb, e.g., "a-hunting we will go" - so you end up with, apparently, "I am a-going to the store" becoming "I'm a-' to the store"
@wanderingrandomer
@wanderingrandomer 5 жыл бұрын
I would really like to learn Cornish, as I've lived in Cornwall for over 20 years now, and regrettably never took the time. There are ongoing efforts to revive it down here.
@SomeRandomPiggo
@SomeRandomPiggo Жыл бұрын
I've been living here for 11 years, would be very interesting to take a look at it
@franksiegle7823
@franksiegle7823 Жыл бұрын
No time like the present. Check it out. I've picked up a bit of Cornish here in the U.S. simply because I'm interested and belonged to Cornish-American societies for a time and learned a little from a workshop by a touring Cornish dance troop. Help out the cause.
@squirrelwithaflute8512
@squirrelwithaflute8512 9 ай бұрын
I'm cornish born and bred I'm seriously considering learning my native language 🤔
@rezaaparsa
@rezaaparsa 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! I had no idea that the “do support” phenomenon and “ing” have been influenced by Celtic languages.
@Khayyam-vg9fw
@Khayyam-vg9fw 5 жыл бұрын
That's because there is no convincing evidence that they have been.
@ALLHEART_
@ALLHEART_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Khayyam-vg9fw What would could as evidence if what was discussed in the video doesn't?
@Khayyam-vg9fw
@Khayyam-vg9fw 4 жыл бұрын
@@ALLHEART_ There is no evidence in the video, only speculative theories based upon the ideas of a controversial scholar with a particular grudge against Anglo-Saxon people.
@ALLHEART_
@ALLHEART_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Khayyam-vg9fw And who would that be? So, you don't think that Celtic had any influence on Anglo-Saxon in regards to this syntactical feature which is deeply exclusive to Celtic and Anglo-Saxon?
@Khayyam-vg9fw
@Khayyam-vg9fw 4 жыл бұрын
@@ALLHEART_ 1) John McWhorter; 2) I think that there is no compelling evidence for the Celtic substrate theory, and that it raises far more problems than it purportedly solves.
@jameshumphreys9715
@jameshumphreys9715 5 жыл бұрын
When, I learn Welsh, the yn in front of the verbnoun, it was proceeded by a pronoun and the last was a vowel, the y would drop and it would have an apostrophe e.g Dw i yn neidio becomes dw i'n neidio, and it shows, that it is just as a continuous tense or simple tense, and it wasn't literally translated; it is the same y, 'r and yr, that there are not literally translated, but use to connect sentences.
@claudianowakowski
@claudianowakowski 5 жыл бұрын
I am also studying Welsh, and I found this very confusing at first.
@hunbran7939
@hunbran7939 5 жыл бұрын
@@claudianowakowski same. we're all confused together now
@diegosantiago1279
@diegosantiago1279 5 жыл бұрын
I love your Channel, is all about languages!! I love languages and how they involved during ancient times to today!
@mccardrixx5289
@mccardrixx5289 5 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@Ian-uu3dz
@Ian-uu3dz 5 жыл бұрын
AHAHAHAh YES YES AHAHAH
@johannesl6978
@johannesl6978 5 жыл бұрын
I can see you’re a true man of culture.
@sleepycryptid8275
@sleepycryptid8275 5 жыл бұрын
Me too!!
@KarenVanessaBuitrago
@KarenVanessaBuitrago 5 жыл бұрын
yeah! it is so interesting to know what the origin of words is
@FiftQuheill
@FiftQuheill 5 жыл бұрын
As a Scot, I recognise 4 of those 8 words that you mentioned about vocabulary from Celtic, and I think there are a couple more that people from Wales would recognise. Most are geographical terms that are used in our respective countries (and I'm guessing that "luh" is loch as in "Loch Ness")
@bearcubdaycare
@bearcubdaycare 2 жыл бұрын
The influences on English of the languages of the conquerors and conquered is a rich subject, worthy of an entire series.
@johnclivethomas3109
@johnclivethomas3109 4 жыл бұрын
Here in the South-West of England many Celtic words survive such as Tor (hill), combe (valley) and other words you mentioned. John from Ilfracombe.
@sionsmedia8249
@sionsmedia8249 Жыл бұрын
As a native Welsh speaker (but amature linguist) I think you missed that Welsh actually does have a "meaningless do" in the present tense, and it actually sounds similar to the English "do" so a closer connection. But it is only in first person. "Rydw i yn yfed coffi" literally "Do I is/am drink coffee" Negation although it does change slightly: "Dydw i ddim yn yfed coffi" literally "do (negative) I not am drink coffee" I think "rydw" and "dydw" act like a meaningless "do" in English. The "dw" and "do" are pronounced the exactly the same.
@hakneyj
@hakneyj 5 жыл бұрын
I know the word cragfast, for someone who is frightened on a hillside and can't move.
@dlwatib
@dlwatib 4 жыл бұрын
I would not hesitate to use craig in a sentence to refer to a rocky outcropping. Tor is a technical term used in geology for a fractured rocky peak. I wouldn't use carr to refer to a rock, but I would use cairn to refer to a manmade pile of rocks, either set with mortar or a dry set pile of fieldstone. I recognize cumb as the initial syllable of the place name Cumberland Gap. I'm not familiar with brock as a name for a badger but apparently it is used in at least some English dialects in Britain.
@veuzou
@veuzou 5 жыл бұрын
the form with "do" is commonly used in Breton too as well as the preposition : "komz a rit brezhoneg?" = speak / preposition "a"/ you do / Breton?
@DneilB007
@DneilB007 4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about Breton in this context. From what I understand, it’s the third extant line of pre-Saxon the British Celtic language.
@catholicdad
@catholicdad 3 жыл бұрын
Your content is often freaking fascinating. This vid is an example. Fascinating dude. Well done sir.
@lengocbaothinh2553
@lengocbaothinh2553 5 жыл бұрын
I am convinced by the hypothesis of Celtic influence on English
@coop-nr6nm
@coop-nr6nm 5 жыл бұрын
Lê Ngọc Bảo Thịnh Is "do" in old english, that is what he did not talk about..
@Porkcylinder
@Porkcylinder 5 жыл бұрын
If by ‘Celtic’ you mean ancient British including the entire island then of course but if you think there was some separate race apart from those inhabiting England then you’re totally wrong. There is no Celtic language there are no Celtic people. Celt is mere a Roman word for non Roman.
@cherylwilliams667
@cherylwilliams667 5 жыл бұрын
Trucker yes, I believe that the so called "Celts" that many refer to are just the original inhabitants of Britain. I guess they could prove me wrong.
@Perisemiotics
@Perisemiotics 5 жыл бұрын
@@coop-nr6nm That is the point - also, the 2 Progressives mentioned in the video as extant in OE beg the question, can they be verified in other Germanic languages as far back as then *and* which ones, because quite a few seem to have been affected by Celtic substrates as well.
@chrisnorniron
@chrisnorniron 5 жыл бұрын
@@Porkcylinder It's from the ancient Greek Κελτοί (Keltoi).
@LeaveTheTVOn95
@LeaveTheTVOn95 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you as always for your videos Paul. You have no idea how much your work means to me and others interested in linguistics. You're the man!
@gdogg3710
@gdogg3710 Жыл бұрын
Cragg Vale, Carr Clough and Mam Torr are all places in the north west of England…Cragg Vale is a long, steep hill in West Yorkshire, Carr Clough is a sub district of Prestwich in Greater Manchester, sat on top of a hill and Mam Torr is a big hill that’s popular for walking in North Derbyshire…
@Mr.Nichan
@Mr.Nichan 5 жыл бұрын
1:58 "Crag" as in "a steep crag" is definitely a word I've read multiple times (especially in fiction, I think), so I already kind of knew what it meant. I also know there are a lot of weird, Britishy, geographical terms you run into if you read something like the Lord of the Readings. Many of those are actually Germanic but I think some of them are Celtic (Obviously, there are also more if you read or hear anything very Scottish or Irish.) I've also heard "bin", obviously.
@bri-annaedwardine1697
@bri-annaedwardine1697 5 жыл бұрын
Weird and Britishy? Is that really how the rest of the world sees us? Ha ha
@susanmiller7560
@susanmiller7560 5 жыл бұрын
People use "craggy" to mean "having fissures". I assume that a crag is a fissure, or crack.
@AlexBiohazardous
@AlexBiohazardous 5 жыл бұрын
never been so early before! happy holidays!
@Langfocus
@Langfocus 5 жыл бұрын
Happy Holidays!
@joshjones6072
@joshjones6072 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome channel. A language fan from California. I've noticed "galore" meaning "a lot" is an English word, though that's Irish origin. But my family always used the word "crag" for a sharp cliff area when we were doing some fishing or on a hunting up in the mountains. I love understanding word derivations and languages, which is why I *love* your channel, and I have noticed many times that an English root word in Latin might be actually be better said to be the Celtic root, that is, Brythonic. Old Gael languages were contemporaneous to Latin, but not significantly changed in modern times from their early forms. The Gaels were the longest term enemy or conquest of the Roman Empire by most accounts, from the Battle of the Allia ~387 BC between a Gallic tribe called Senones (of Northern Italy) and the Roman Republic, (which might have started the whole conquest thing when they sacked Rome) to ~400 AD. Eventually the Roman outposts withdrew from eastern "england", never successfully invading Wales, nor Cornwall, nor western England, nor Scotland, nor Ireland, and the Romans retreated from Western Europe. But they had ruled the entire Mediterranean. More to the point, many words in contemporaneous Celtic and Latin do often seem similar. But Latin seems to receive all the credit, not the root native languages of Welsh or Cornish for British word origin. This seems odd. Many have already described the social stratification of words. During Frankish-Norman rule, "pork" was eaten in the lord's house, the Anglo-Saxons' "swine" were tended, and the native Celtic people "mucked" the stalls. But it all means "pig" or "pork". Here is the meat of my point though. Some examples comparing roots between Welsh or Latin: Welsh for birch tree, "bedw" but Latin for birch tree, "betula". Welsh for fish, "pysgod" but Latin for fish, "piscis". Welsh for garden, "gardd" but Latin for garden, "hortus". Welsh for blossom, "blodeuo" but Latin for blossom, "germinabunt". Welsh for farm, "fferm" but Latin for farm, "villam". Welsh for farmer, "ffermwr" but Latin for farmer, "agricola". Latin is fine, I love Latin, but it's just not the root for many English words. Welsh seems be doing that where Latin does not. Sure, these might be distant root words for English, but why is Latin the only reference and not the other, why is Welsh or Cornish ignored when one seems more plausible? But one was local, that being Welsh or other Brythonic languages. And Latin in "england" 2000 years ago was at best courtly. Latin seems hardly able to be the origin of English words. Welsh or Cornish seems the much more obvious origin point for some English words. Just a question posed and something to wonder.
@Mathijs01
@Mathijs01 5 жыл бұрын
We have the same 'do' curiosity in my West-Flemish dialect (of Dutch), but only in response to emphasize that the opposite is true. - Drink je gie gin kaffie, deh? (Don't you drink coffee? Lit: Drink you you not coffee?) - K'en doen! (I do!) We also have a verb 'komen', which is a cognate to 'come', but is also used as 'become'. The verb itself is Germanic, but it's usage is Celtic. - Ik kommn olmeke slicht. (I'm becoming ill suddenly. Lit: I become suddenly bad.)
@rahuldhargalkar
@rahuldhargalkar 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this ! More on Celtic languages please (:
@d-trillaa2766
@d-trillaa2766 4 жыл бұрын
You can actually hear the present continuous form in English with a preposition in certain American dialects that still have archaisms. For example in Appalachian English you could hear someone say "He was a driving to the store when he done ran into the pole" which contains both "a driving" and "done ran"
@computernoob2
@computernoob2 5 жыл бұрын
Love the video. Easily a favorite. Topics like historical linguistics and language evolution (including influences, adoptions, borrowings, inclusions) are so fascinating to me. Thank you for doing these kinds of videos! Hope are having a joyful holiday season! Re: reservations Could Welsh’s exclusive “did” support indicate their borrowing of do-support from English? It seems to me a similar phenomenon to Old English adopting the verbal noun form (and dropping the preposition), which demonstrates it being a Celtic structure /English borrowing. I don’t know the information related, like whether or not Welsh would borrow from English.
@user-mrfrog
@user-mrfrog 5 жыл бұрын
I am studying Icelandic and I know in this tongue, the present progressive is formed with the verb að vera (to be) plus the infinitive! Ex. Ég er að læra íslensku ( I am to learn Icelandic). Funny how languages can sometimes function so differently. Bless bless og gleðilegt nýtt ár (Bye and Happy New Year)!
@SchmulKrieger
@SchmulKrieger 5 жыл бұрын
Actually you speak of »vera« as it is the Infinitive. að vera is just the advanced infinitive.
@cezarstefanseghjucan
@cezarstefanseghjucan 5 жыл бұрын
Gleðilegt nýtt ár til þín líka! Íslenskan er æðisleg!
@SchmulKrieger
@SchmulKrieger 5 жыл бұрын
@@cezarstefanseghjucan, Íslenska er æðislegur.
@cezarstefanseghjucan
@cezarstefanseghjucan 5 жыл бұрын
@@SchmulKrieger Þakka fyrir það!
@WarriorofSunlight
@WarriorofSunlight 5 жыл бұрын
I would really like to learn Icelandic one day because I find it to be incredibly fascinating and I have always been fascinated by Norse culture. I would also like to help keep the language alive. I’m sure that learning Old Norse would only be a small step after learning Icelandic.
@gabrielschilive7675
@gabrielschilive7675 4 жыл бұрын
6:50, Paul, I am Brazilian and, as far as I know, the genitive is not "optional". You wouldn't say "(Eu) como/ I eat" in a "(Eu) (es)to(u) comendo/I am eating"-situation. If I was eating and someone asked me "what are you doing?", I would never say "(Eu) como/I eat", I would say "(Eu) (es)to(u) comendo"; it would never have been for emphasis. But I do think I saw it in Spanish (I may be wrong) once.
@EmrahUncu
@EmrahUncu 5 жыл бұрын
For questions in Turkish we also add a word *"mi?"* Yedin *mi?* Did you eat? Yer *misin?* Do you eat?
@jonathanodude6660
@jonathanodude6660 3 жыл бұрын
in english, do is used in non-question sentences and phrases such as "i do not agree" or "i dont care", plus its tradition to say "i do" as a agreement to marriage
@jeanbonnefoy1377
@jeanbonnefoy1377 5 жыл бұрын
An interesting fact is that there are many more Celtic words in contemporary French (like... combe for valley!)
@SrGurkman
@SrGurkman 5 жыл бұрын
Jean Bonnefoy there are more Celtic words that came into English from Gaulish via French than from any of the insular Celtic language
@soyoltoi
@soyoltoi 5 жыл бұрын
*The Gauls have entered the chat.*
@xenotypos
@xenotypos 5 жыл бұрын
It's pretty logical if you ask me, despite a lot of migrations the largest ancestry in France remains Gaulish. French is far from simply being a latin language, it was heavily influenced by Gaulish and Germanic languages. The only difference with English is just it was during the process of the creation of the language, while old English already existed when it was influenced by Norse and then old French.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 5 жыл бұрын
IMO there are unrecognized words that must be Celtic in English, for example "town" to me looks extremely Celtic (dun, dunon, modern Gaelic dún, modern Brythonic tyn or din, from a likely *tun, all with the meaning of fort or town), however the Academy prefers, it seems, to imagine it as Germanic, from a plausible cognate proto-Germanic *tun with the only meaning of garden or enclosure (and not of fort/town). There should be more but as Celtic is a minorized and abused group of languages, it is not paid enough attention. Much of the same happens to Basque or otherwise Vasconic substrate, which is ignored by linguists who just don't speak it at all.
@Kanal7Indonesia
@Kanal7Indonesia 5 жыл бұрын
French were celtic gauls
@gonzalosanchez1538
@gonzalosanchez1538 5 жыл бұрын
about you statement at 7:06, actually in Spanish (at least in Castillian Spanish, I don't know about South America) we actually use the present cointinous as much as in English; we don't really say "Yo como" unless we are talking about something that we do frequently - just as in English.
@rzeka
@rzeka 5 жыл бұрын
1:58 I've heard "crag", and "galore" is from Celtic but I'm not sure if it's from that period
@danieloreilly5463
@danieloreilly5463 5 жыл бұрын
Galore comes from 'go leor' in Irish (Gaeilge)
@stuartcameron320
@stuartcameron320 5 жыл бұрын
I guess it just comes from Gaelic languages in general, because in Scots Gaelic we say “gu leòr” to mean the same thing.
@danieloreilly5463
@danieloreilly5463 5 жыл бұрын
@@stuartcameron320 Always interesting seeing similarities between Irish and Scottish Gaelic.
@bri-annaedwardine1697
@bri-annaedwardine1697 5 жыл бұрын
Craig is Welsh for rock/crag/mountain
@martinhughes2549
@martinhughes2549 5 жыл бұрын
@@bri-annaedwardine1697 Mynydd is a Mountain, ie Mynydd Isa, Bryn is a hill. (Bryn Mawr=Big hill)
@dorusie5
@dorusie5 5 жыл бұрын
"I am on running" appears in Dutch too: "Ik ben aan het rennen", which is, literally: "I am on the running".
@maeleb6839
@maeleb6839 5 жыл бұрын
Same kind of thing can be found in English, "I'm on the run". Although this may have come from a completely different background noticing that the verb isn't in the progressive.
@adrie.w
@adrie.w 5 жыл бұрын
exept that Dutch uses the infinitive (rennen) instead of the gerundive verb form (rennend)
@lifelessons7401
@lifelessons7401 5 жыл бұрын
Same is true for German - although it's very colloquial and a feature that started to spread out from the south, its usage in written language is also strongly discouraged. "Ich bin am Rennen", "am" being the merger of the preposition "an" and the dative "dem", thus literally "I am on the running". In proper(/written) German, the correct form would be "ich renne gerade" (= I run right now)
@TheOzzibear
@TheOzzibear 4 жыл бұрын
@@lifelessons7401 Actually, the correct translation of the German" ich renne gerade" is "I am running", and not "I run right now". Germans studying English often have a problem understanding the continuous forms of English verbs, as they don't exist as such in the German language. In the case of "ich renne gerade," this is written in the Simple Present (ich renne).
@lifelessons7401
@lifelessons7401 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheOzzibear Yes sure, I apologize for not making it clear enough "I run right now" is merely the literal translation of course, while the correct translation is indeed "I am running". And I agree with everything else said!
@marcoswappner8331
@marcoswappner8331 5 жыл бұрын
7:40 German uses a similar thing for what would be the present continous. Since It doesn't have an actual tense representing present continous, it uses the noun form of the verb. Something like "I'm running" would be "Ich bin beim Rennen", word for word "I am at the running", where running in this context would be a noun. note the use of the preposition.
@justbeyondthecornerproduct3540
@justbeyondthecornerproduct3540 4 жыл бұрын
1:55 As an Irish person, I have to disagree. there are a good few words from Irish that are used in english today. Smithereens comes from "smidiríní", "smidir" referring to an undefined object or lump "ín" making it diminuitive Galore from "go leor", just meaning "A lot" Mac from the Irish for "son" Whiskey from "uisce bheatha", the irish term for the same drink, which itself is a translation of "aqua vitae" They're the words I can think of on the spot, but I'm sure there are many more. I don't know if you took "binn" from another Celtic language, but if it's from Irish, "bin" does not come from "binn". "Binn" in Irish means "cliff"
@adhamhmacconchobhair7565
@adhamhmacconchobhair7565 4 жыл бұрын
And "brogue" comes from "Bróg"
@AnimilesYT
@AnimilesYT 5 жыл бұрын
And in Dutch the "do you drink coffee" even works differently. "Jij drinkt koffie." = "You drink coffee." "Drink jij koffie?" = "Do you drink coffee?" We change the word order to make it a question. If I were to ask "jij drinkt koffie?" then it would sound like I am surprised to hear that you drink coffee. (I'm only 4 minutes in the video. Maybe my question gets answered later in the video, but I felt like sharing this anyways)
@letozabalmaty
@letozabalmaty 5 жыл бұрын
In middle ages, the second from that you've written was pretty common in English Drinkst thou water? for sing. Drinken ye water? (in some dialects there was another plural from - Drinkth but it had not survived) for plural or respectively
@AnimilesYT
@AnimilesYT 4 жыл бұрын
@Simon Romijn My mind is blown a bit :)
@DreamingSpanish
@DreamingSpanish 5 жыл бұрын
I'm loving this kind of video! I like that it has more original research and opinion, and it's not just a sheet of facts about a language.
@lardyify
@lardyify 5 жыл бұрын
Cambrian and Pictish might have had influences we can never know.
@ajrwilde14
@ajrwilde14 3 жыл бұрын
'hen' that Scottish people say as a term of endearment seems to be from Cambric
@hooverbaglegs
@hooverbaglegs 3 жыл бұрын
This makes sense to me as a Welsh-speaker. There are a few other words in English from Welsh tho...eg 'Gammy' as in a Gammy leg/eye 'Cam' is the Welsh for bent. Also the word 'Cart'...which eventually became Car and 'Flannel'....there are more!
@blackarawak83
@blackarawak83 2 жыл бұрын
Every days colloquial English words like Dad, Mom/Mam, Nan are virtually the same as in Welsh ( Tad, Mam, Nain). Also many local variation of shepherds Brythonic counting system (Yan, Tan, Tethera, etc. ) existed up to the last 100 years in Southern and Northern England as well Southern Scotland.
@0u0ak
@0u0ak Жыл бұрын
Note on car: short for carriage, not cart directly so far as I've ever come across.
@johnmc3862
@johnmc3862 Жыл бұрын
Here’s everyday words from the Irish language used in English. Go Leor- Galore. Whiskey. Smithereens. Slogan. Hooligan. Lough. Trousers. Brogue. Limerick. Tory(an outlaw). Bog. Banshee. All have their origins in the Irish language.
@littlebylitttle5866
@littlebylitttle5866 5 жыл бұрын
Can u also do Celtic influences on Romance language, especially on French, Spanish, and Portuguese?
@hunbran7939
@hunbran7939 5 жыл бұрын
I know there are a few words in French that come from Gaulish or later Breton but I don't know if there was an influence on grammar at all
@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807
@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807 5 жыл бұрын
Nant- from Nantes means clearly valley. Bay- from Bayonne could mean yellow, if it's celtic in origin. Many places with Bai- in Galicia: several Baio, several Baiona.
@Andy-dg1pj
@Andy-dg1pj 5 жыл бұрын
And romanian
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 5 жыл бұрын
It's not very likely that Iberian Romances retain much Celtic influence, excepted some toponymy of the like of Coimbra and Segovia (-briga and seg-, your typical Iberian Celtic placenames). Some Celticists claim almost everything to be "Celtic" but in almost every case I've analyzed it seems to be nothing but hot imagination. "Caballo" could come from Celtic but it would be so via generic Vulgar or Late Latin (cf. Italian cavallo, French cheval) but for specific regional influences into particular Romances, especially in Iberia, it's not too likely to find much. One reason is because we really don't know that much about ancient Celtic and especially about Iberian Celtic, which is surely the oldest distinct group of Celtic languages (some would say Italo-Celtic in general) to diverge from core Celtic, so looking at modern Celtic survivors is only of limited informative capability.
@SliverSoldier9
@SliverSoldier9 5 жыл бұрын
Little By Litttle French has more germanic influences than Celtic unfortunately. There are less than a hundred words of Gaulish origin for a thousand of Germanic ones.
@jimnewton4534
@jimnewton4534 5 жыл бұрын
Paul, I have a question for you.. You hypothesize that spoken vulgar English was different written formal English before the Norman conquest. Are there any cases where formal written English quoted an uneducated person, even to mock him? If such cases exist, then that would contain clues to how the common tongue was spoken. Right?
@somespeciesofpenguin
@somespeciesofpenguin 5 жыл бұрын
I had the same thought, but it's possible that not enough manuscripts existed, or have survived, for such tidbits of evidence to either exist or correlate strongly enough.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 5 жыл бұрын
In those times, also among Romans (who wrote a lot more), common folk were almost never addressed in the texts, much less in such detail, they were extremely aristocratic and though only "great people" deserved to be written about. That's why, excepting random ostrakoi and an occasional "error" in spelling (and one almost Medieval proto-French text) we have nearly no evidence of Vulgar Latin, even if it is clear that it did exist. We do see complains about how bad was the common folk's Latin and we can infer some of those "errors" by how the language teachers tried to prevent them but that's about it.
@somespeciesofpenguin
@somespeciesofpenguin 5 жыл бұрын
@@LuisAldamiz I read an interesting article about Vulgar Latin one time. Apparently, I believe in Pompeii, two brothers vandalized a wall. They left out the "h" and scholars assumed it was a spelling mistake, because Latin always had an h in that word. Then they discovered a children's "textbook" for the aristocrats' children that had numerous examples of "don't forget the H", implying that in Vulgar Latin it was silent. Its interesting how we rely on written documentation of languages but written languages often differ greatly from the spoken (looking at English spelling here).
@Nemo_Anom
@Nemo_Anom 5 жыл бұрын
That's a good thought, Jim. The problem is that for Old English, there's only literally a handful of surviving manuscripts: fire and decay has claimed most of them. The nobles and elites preferred to write in the lingua franca of Latin, and later, French, than in Old English. There really isn't much Old English left, and it's all mainly epics and in a very stylized literary register.
@SchmulKrieger
@SchmulKrieger 5 жыл бұрын
@@somespeciesofpenguin, no, written language just give the stage of an elder version of the same language. It doesn't just differ. It was used but developed not than fast as the most spoken languages do.
@taeveesurkian2047
@taeveesurkian2047 3 жыл бұрын
Referring to the video and David Steiner's comment 2 weeks ago I would like to add that there are some German dialects further up North that also use a form of "to do" for expressing questions. Example: Tust du dat versteh'n? = Do you understand that? (dialect of the Ruhr region) And I want to add that I am very pleased with the high quality of both the scientific and educational level of this channel! A good combination, well presented.
@19erik74
@19erik74 5 жыл бұрын
"So long" from "slán". One of my first linguistic discoveries when i was young.
@giancastrioto3223
@giancastrioto3223 5 жыл бұрын
e withk really?? 😱
@19erik74
@19erik74 5 жыл бұрын
@@giancastrioto3223 sure. Irish slán still in common usage in american english. Not the point of the video but i thought I'd share anyway.
@alphamikeomega5728
@alphamikeomega5728 5 жыл бұрын
Disputed etymology but okay.
@Loreman72
@Loreman72 5 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought when I first saw the Irish for 'Bye'.
@davidcufc
@davidcufc 5 жыл бұрын
That would be Gaelic not Brythonic, so it would be a later borrowing.
@HotelPapa100
@HotelPapa100 5 жыл бұрын
2:00 clucge "bell" That rang a bell! German for bell is "Glocke", And Christianity was brought to Germanic tribes by Irish-Celtic monks. I think it's quite possible that Germans didn't know large bells before they became common for ritual use. There is a Germanic word for a small bell, as it might be used on a horse's harness: "Schelle". This basically says " the thing that sounds". . As for those words not being used: They certainly left their mark on place names.
@bordershader
@bordershader 5 жыл бұрын
Of course! And the French word "cloche". I was looking at "clucge" like "whaa-?" 😁
@EgonSupreme
@EgonSupreme Жыл бұрын
Regarding the use of the present continuous form in English, this also happens in Portuguese (with the infinitive being used as a verb noun), and it is _also_ attributed to Celtic influence.
@bazwhitebox155
@bazwhitebox155 5 жыл бұрын
Strangely enough all but 2 of those words at the start I have heard and could of told you what they meant... (Clucge and torr) Perhaps this is more common in the area of England (north) I live in.
@neilbuckley1613
@neilbuckley1613 5 жыл бұрын
Tor is associated mainly with Devon, but there are Tors in the Peak district, it is a rocky outcrop at the top of a hill.
@girv98
@girv98 5 жыл бұрын
Glastonbury Tor
@venmis137
@venmis137 5 жыл бұрын
The North remained celtic for much longer than the south and even developed its own brythonic language (cumbric, not to be confused with cumbrian which is an english dialect).
@stumccabe
@stumccabe 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I live in Devon where the word "torr" is understood by almost everyone.
@iqbalmuhammad2920
@iqbalmuhammad2920 5 жыл бұрын
Uncommon for non native english speakers
@thephilosopherofculture4559
@thephilosopherofculture4559 5 жыл бұрын
The connection with 'do' is Interesting. In some parts of mid- and mid-east of The Netherlands, I hear people use the word 'do' (doen, from middle Dutch 'doean') without meaning, too.
@Catubrannos
@Catubrannos 5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to have seen more comparison with Germanic languages in regards do. English is closest to Frisian, then Dutch.
@thephilosopherofculture4559
@thephilosopherofculture4559 5 жыл бұрын
@@Catubrannos There are all kinds of versions of Frisian and what I know of it resembles English less than Dutch, especially Old Dutch is difficult to distinguish from Old English. A characteristic of Dutch and German is the use of little words called particles that give a certain atmosphere or emotion or other meaning to the sentence at hand. Dutch has about 40 of such articles, German over 120. They only occur rarely in English as English is a 'sung' language, which is to say that the meaning of a sentence may vary according to the tones it is delivered in. In the Far East, many languages are sung, especially the monosyllabic languages of Chinese and Thai. English is an anomaly which seems to be missed by Langfocus because he is English native, although Canadian, himself. I, for one, would always begin with stating whether a language is a sung language or not. That makes a world of difference. Listen to Margareth Thatcher. She goes almost three octaves within 2 sentences. Even for a professional singer that would be a stretch. Kissinger was of Germanic origin and one of the reasons that he stood out, apart from his brilliancy, was the monotonous way he delivered his English; very uncharacteristic of English - perhaps American lost its sung quality which is why so many foreign words are adopted in American?
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 4 жыл бұрын
@@thephilosopherofculture4559 That is something that we learn to do as we grow up. At school I noticed that younger children read out written (prose) text in a wooden, monotonous way, whereas older children recited "with expression," which was sometimes regarded as "girly." Of course, that requires you to scan quickly ahead to understand the whole sentence before starting to say it. Spontaneous speech comes with intonation built-in, but reciting from memory may require some effort to insert the emotion. There was a curious art form called "choral speaking" for which children from different schools in Scotland competed in reading prose and verse. If I remember rightly, competitors used English, Scots or Latin (it was not a Gaelic-speaking area). I never saw the point of it.
@barspinoza
@barspinoza 2 жыл бұрын
Small but important correction: At 2:22, the name at the top-right corner should be John McWhorter. For those not familiar with him, please check out his podcasts, books, lectures (on Great Courses), etc. Enjoyment guaranteed.
@davidresmond4332
@davidresmond4332 5 жыл бұрын
in breton we use the verb do ( ober) like an auxiliary. evet a ran alies: drink (i) do often.
@KarenVanessaBuitrago
@KarenVanessaBuitrago 5 жыл бұрын
huh, how similar do you think Breton is to French?
@hunbran7939
@hunbran7939 5 жыл бұрын
@@KarenVanessaBuitrago Not much more than other Celtic languages. Breton does have many words that come from French obviously (or straight from Latin) but its grammar is definitely very different from French.
@KarenVanessaBuitrago
@KarenVanessaBuitrago 5 жыл бұрын
@@hunbran7939 very interesting. Thanks for the answer
@hagereuthek5702
@hagereuthek5702 5 жыл бұрын
@@KarenVanessaBuitrago Breton is a close cousin to Cornish and Welsh.
@hagereuthek5702
@hagereuthek5702 5 жыл бұрын
@@hunbran7939 Apart fom being part of the Indo-European branch of languages, Breton and French are unrelated and therefore completely different.
@soyoltoi
@soyoltoi 5 жыл бұрын
In Mongolian, we also have a strong general time-present time distinction!
@soyoltoi
@soyoltoi 5 жыл бұрын
@Seasexnsun I'm not worried about Mongolian having any Celtic influence. It would be remarkable, to say the least, if it did, though. And as far as I know, the Mongolic language family has no known relatives.
@Mothman156
@Mothman156 5 жыл бұрын
@Seasexnsun lmao shut the fuck up
@QuizmasterLaw
@QuizmasterLaw 5 жыл бұрын
exists in Russian too (teypyer/seychass)
@Mfn77
@Mfn77 5 жыл бұрын
@@soyoltoi Maybe Turkic Language Family? But not that close I guess.
@mikeandroid5886
@mikeandroid5886 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a native speaker of Swiss-German, the swiss version of the alemanic dialect of the german language (and that's a germanic language). And we use as well in the present tense (for the moment or in general) our version of "do"- For example: "Ich tuen ässe" ("I'm eating" or "I do eat ...). "Tuesch Du schaffe?" ("Are you working" or "do you work" (I know, It's maybe not totaly correct but I just want to show the general form). "Ich tuen ... " -->"I do ... ". "Du tuesch... " -->"You do ..." So, perhaps it's not the influence of Cornish or Welsh but just a leftover from an older germanic dialect that was spoken.
@David-ru8xf
@David-ru8xf 5 жыл бұрын
Switzerland at the time of the Roman Empire was the Elvezia, the land of Elvezii, a Gaulish tribe, and when the Alemans settled in 5th century A.C., they found a celtic-latin popolation that outnumbered them, so the alemannic dialect begins to spread among the celtic, who applied the rules of celtic grammar in alemannic, the forefather of the Swiss German dialects
@mikeandroid5886
@mikeandroid5886 4 жыл бұрын
@@David-ru8xf Ah yes, that's true. That's why Switzerlands official name is "Confederatio Helvetica".
@electrafying
@electrafying 5 жыл бұрын
Social Studies in school: No LangFocus: Yeeessssss!
@scimatarpictures
@scimatarpictures 5 жыл бұрын
“Mam Tor” is the name of a particular Hill in Derbyshire, in the English midlands, it must be linked to this.
@darrenwolboldtalk2
@darrenwolboldtalk2 5 жыл бұрын
We have a load of them down hear in Devon, ever heard of the ten tors hike ? From the ones I have seen (I could see two from my old flat) they are usually rocky out crops on top of hills in this neck of the woods, but also you can have ones that are just rocky out crops not necessarily on hills. Some names are Petit tor, Hay tor and my fave Hound Tor
@MaskedManatee
@MaskedManatee 5 жыл бұрын
Pew Tor has always been my favourite! Though I can see Brent Tor from my window, I lose my knife there.. F
@danieloneal7137
@danieloneal7137 5 жыл бұрын
Yup. And “mam” in that context is apparently from the Celtic word for breasts.
@palarious
@palarious 3 жыл бұрын
This is intriguing because it helps to build on the evidence that quite a bit of poetic diction is rooted in old linguistic style and mechanisms. It's also fascinating how easily a native speaker understands these oddities that have been out of usage for hundreds of years.
@graememark1116
@graememark1116 4 жыл бұрын
A curious one I've heard in Ireland is "Does Chris be here this early in the morning?" As in, "Is he usually here?" Stopped me in my tracks the first time someone said something like it, but I got used to it and even started using it myself!
@oliverf.vaabengaard5637
@oliverf.vaabengaard5637 5 жыл бұрын
Just want to add something to the old now unused “ende” ending in English In danish, a language closely related to English, we also have that ending, though it is not used in that way. It is used more as an adjective as it is describing. “En løbende dreng” meaning “a running boy” It can only be used in this way and saying something like “jeg er løbende” (directly translated into “I am running”) is grammatically wrong to say Anyways, great video!
@SchmulKrieger
@SchmulKrieger 5 жыл бұрын
You have to understand that constructions with »to be« and -ende form actually is the stative passive. het er løbende ... isn't ungrammatical in Danish. English lost its original dynamic passive structure but used instead the construction of the stative passive to express dynamic passive also.
@oliverf.vaabengaard5637
@oliverf.vaabengaard5637 5 жыл бұрын
@@SchmulKrieger It is right that saying "han er løbende" isn't grammatically incorrect, it's just that noone uses it and it sounds very old fashioned. But, yes, you are right
@jpietersen519
@jpietersen519 5 жыл бұрын
Like Dutch 'lopende', or German 'laufende'
@SchmulKrieger
@SchmulKrieger 5 жыл бұрын
@@jpietersen519, »laufend«*
@12tanuha21
@12tanuha21 5 жыл бұрын
Schmul Krieger Der laufende Die laufende Das laufende
@timmurphy2221
@timmurphy2221 4 жыл бұрын
The Celtic connection resonates with me. In some forms of American colloquial English, "I'm a running late." is a common way of expressing the current state of lateness. "I'm a gonna", and in the South "I'm a fixin to" maintains the preposition. We also say "bin" as in recycle bin and "crag" as "I'm a gonna hike the Castle Crags when the fires are done."
@joshuabradshaw9120
@joshuabradshaw9120 2 жыл бұрын
It was never mentioned here but several early kings of the Anglo Saxon kingdoms of Wessex and Mercia had Celtic names. For instance, in Wessex the first two kings are named Cedric and Cynric, both names being Celtic in origin. Later in the genealogy of Wessex you find names like Centwahl and Caedwalla. Also one of the first poets to compose poems in the Old English language was a man by the name of Caedmon, a name that also originated in the Brittonic Celtic language. His first language was old English, but given that his name was Celtic his parents were probably Celtic Britons. He was from Whitby which is in the east of England, being born long after the Anglo Saxon conquest of that region had taken place. Prominent clergymen of the era such as the brothers Chad, Cedd, Cynibil and Caelin had Brittonic names also. King Ine of Wessex enacted laws that demonstrated that even in the 700s the Celts of the region composed a distinct ethnic group from the English. A lot of documentation shows that the Celts largely survived the Anglo Saxon invasion, and while many were subjugated others rose to the highest levels of Anglo Saxon society.
@carolgebert7833
@carolgebert7833 2 жыл бұрын
There was no Anglo-Saxon invasion. Belgae tribes (Ingvaeones = Angles) came to Britain before Ceasar. They spent hundreds of years intermarrying with the Celts and Britons. Saxons came as paid mercenaries in the late third century and again in huge numbers in 450 as refugees fleeing Attila. But they never killed off the Celts. The Celts, Britons and Angles all intermarried, but the language of the Angles prevailed for some reason. What people often over-look is Celtic influence on old Anglic/Belgian while in Gaul, before the Belgae established their British kingdoms. And I am not even sure the Celts were dominant in Britain. I think they dominated the west and a few other spots. The Frisians (another type of Ingaevonic/Angle tribe) dominated the swampy east, where their cows did well. And in the central highlands, I think the original Britons dominated, until the Roman era. I just read an academic paper arguing that the Wessex origin myth with Cedric was actually a mis-remembrance of the Belgae invasion hundreds of years earlier. The myth has striking similarity to the events recorded by Caesar.
@valyriantime910
@valyriantime910 5 жыл бұрын
I’m a French speaker: "So we’ll go no more a roving So late into the night..." (Lord Byron) At last I know where this "a" comes from. Thanks Paul!
@artos1955
@artos1955 5 жыл бұрын
mezui romain A hunting we will go. A hunting we will go. Hey Ho the Derry-oh. A hunting we will go.
@salomez-finnegan7952
@salomez-finnegan7952 5 жыл бұрын
I’m curious: do you know if any young people in Southern France still speak fluent Occitan and/or are trying to preserve the language?? I think it’s very interesting (and quite unfortunate) how the two very closely related languages Occitan & Catalan took completely opposite paths of development- Spanish Catalans generally speak their language and want to preserve it (and even want independence) but this is not at all the case with French Occitans (based on my understanding)
@Raven-Winter
@Raven-Winter 5 жыл бұрын
@@salomez-finnegan7952 There are some people of all generations who try to revive the occitan languages. There are even a few bilingual schools. I believe most people in the South are in favor of speaking more the languages more but there zero effort from the gouvernement so the language is still in danger of desappearing. The second language related to French is not Catalan but Arpitan (formerly called "Franco-provençal") en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Proven%C3%A7al_language
@LycanthropiesSpell
@LycanthropiesSpell 4 жыл бұрын
2:00 We still use some variants of those words in my dialect, such as klo'(kk)e ( clucge ) for a bell; and torre ( torr ) for a tower or tall structure or a heap. We still compress our longer words / or several words into one short word. Plural words that end in -en, will in most cases turn into -'n or -'m : (English) I am running, in (Dutch) : Ik loop, will change into ( Western Flemish ) : 'k loop'm . And one of my favorites : kgonnekik, in ( English ) : I will go ( will ) I ( forgot what language uses that same thing - getting old I guess... ).
@twipameyer1210
@twipameyer1210 5 жыл бұрын
correct me if I'm wrong: the Celtic languages use "do" (or rather "did") to indicate past and English for questions and negations, right? so where is the connection? the Celtic languages can use "do" in questions and negations because they always can. the use of "do" in many cases was very common in German and Dutch in the 17th century as well and is still regional in virtually every region; sometimes indicating habituative or future or progressive or what so ever. But it is always low prestige so you find it rarely in official speech. but you have a point with the ~ing form and the leck of ~ende. that is something I was wondering about. thanks! but is could still be chance so I am not fully convinced. There were two forms and one survived. that alone does not prove anything. In German, there is also a progressive form using "to be" with a preposition: "Ich bin am Lesen". word for word: "I am at the read(ing?)". it is rather new and regional in the Rhineland but it is spreading all over the place. So both constructions are not never heard of in Germanic languages. all in all I like your videos and especially this one because it made me think :) thanks!
@GurenSuzuki
@GurenSuzuki 5 жыл бұрын
The moment after I thought that exact sentence, you wrote 'Bevi il caffé?' and I was really surprised ahah (I'm italian and I was trying the rising intonation in my head)
@uncildansloeil8431
@uncildansloeil8431 5 жыл бұрын
J'ai été surpris de le comprendre si facilement en français ! J'ai appris récement que nos deux langues était autant proches ^^'
@GurenSuzuki
@GurenSuzuki 5 жыл бұрын
@@uncildansloeil8431 yes for me is somewhat ""easy"" to read lots of sentences in french, but I can't understand it when its' spoken :D I once met an old woman in Greece who told me she spoke italian because she learned to speak french, and that made her able to understand a lot of italian :)
@uncildansloeil8431
@uncildansloeil8431 5 жыл бұрын
@@GurenSuzuki haha the same ;) have a good day
@callumr.macdonald9217
@callumr.macdonald9217 4 жыл бұрын
There is do-support in Scottish Gaelic, too. It is also in thee past tense, but it has at half-eroded away. Ionnsaich 'learn!'. Dh'ionnsaich mi 'I learned'. An do dh'ionnsaich mi 'did I learn?'
@pjakobs
@pjakobs 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul, this was an interesting one, and I wonder: I lived in the German state of Hassia for 12 years and since I have a bit of a knack for dialects, I have picked up some of the local dialect. One of the unusual things about the hassian dialect is that it has a tendency to use "tun" in all kinds of sentences - the German equivalent to "to do". Especially, it would be considered bad style in high german but not unheard of in hassian to ask something like "tust Du zur Schule gehen?" (of course, this is the high german wording, hassian would be more like "duschd du noch in'd schul geh?") which is almost exactly a translation of "do you still go to school" (although German, and with it Hassian, uses SOV, not SVO here). Now the region of Hassia I lived in was both the northeastern border of the roman empire (the Limes ran almost straight through the village) as well as the northeastern region settled by Kelts (the oppidea of Heidetränk and Glauburg are not far off and fall almost on the Limes line). So I wonder if this too is a case of a celtic language substate but this time for a German dialect. And pondering that a little further, my own dialect, the one I grew up with, called Moselle-franconian (in the area where Germany borders Luxemburg as well as the root for the germanic part of the Luxemburgish language) the same construct is present. That area was the settling ground of the celtic tribe of the Treverer (from whom the city of Trier gets it's name as "Augusta Treverorum"). So this may or may not be a wider phenomenom. keep up the great work! It's fascinating to see how many different and interdependend codes we humans have developed to transmit and receive data ;-) pj
@forkeke
@forkeke 5 жыл бұрын
These features are also common in Low Saxon. And Low Saxon simply is a close relative to English and did not experience significant influence from English. Therefore, a Celtic influence, if there was one, would have had to happen on the continent. Or it's just a native West Germanic feature.
@abirkert4556
@abirkert4556 4 жыл бұрын
I want to confirm this. For example in southern Hesse if you want to go you say " ich geh jetzt" and if the other do not react you could emphasize by saying "Ich duu jetzt gehe". Means " I do go now". Souther Hessian is part of the Frenkish/Franconian dialects (from the Netherlands to north-west Bavaria).
@BenjaminGunnell
@BenjaminGunnell 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad we have Google maps for these comments.
@maximilianmustermann5763
@maximilianmustermann5763 4 жыл бұрын
The use of "tun" ("do") is also very common in Swabian dialect and I think in other southern German dialects like Bavarian as well. In Swabian there is no way around using it to express things that are currently going on, like "I dua essa" ("I am eating") or "I dua schaffa" ("I am working"). There really is no other way to say these things in Swabian dialect.
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