The excerpt is from Wolfram Euler: Das Westgermanische.
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@Sinisterlizards4 жыл бұрын
I find these kinds of languages which were the vernacular - and sometimes even court language - of large, historically important states which now only survive in reference or through scant attestation extremely interesting. Dalmatian, Lombardic, Old Nubian, Bulgar, the paleo-Hispanic languages, so on and so forth. It keeps me up at night to think about what could have been if better preserved, to say nothing of the probably countless languages that have lived and died without a single word being transcribed
@coltm4a1864 жыл бұрын
How old is the original text?
@duwang84994 жыл бұрын
*YES!* Finally Langobardic. There are so few sources on this language. (or as I see it, German dialect)
@ernststefan5833 жыл бұрын
Langobardisch war eine Sprache, kein Dialekt! "Ein Dialekt ist eine Sprache ohne Flotte und/oder Armee" von Max Weinreich (Sprachwissenschaftler)
@duwang84993 жыл бұрын
@@ernststefan583 Die Langobarden hatten eine Armee. Trotzdem zählen viele Linguisten das langobardische als einen deutschen Dialekt. Außerdem geht der Satz so; "Eine Sprache ist ein Dialekt mit einer Armee und einer Marine".
@ernststefan5833 жыл бұрын
@@duwang8499 Ein deutscher Dialekt kann es nicht sein, da es deutsch im eigentlichen Sinn, zur Zeit als langobardisch noch gesprochen wurde, noch gar nicht gab. Neuere Sprachforschung stellt die langobardische Sprache der gotischen Sprache nahe. Eine Armee hatten die Langobarden nicht, sondern ein Aufgebot aus Stammeskriegern. Der Satz geht auch nicht so, denn M.W. hat ihn erstmalig 1944 in jiddisch Daitsch publiziert und es geht außerdem um die Aussage des Satzes, welche gehupft wie gesprungen die selbe bleibt.
@duwang84993 жыл бұрын
@@ernststefan583 Unsinn... Das Langobardische ist ganz klar eine Westgermanische Sprache die von der althochdeutschen Lautverschiebung beeinflusst wurde. Außerdem gibt es die Deutsche Sprache (Oder eher gesagt das Hochdeutsche dialektkontinuum) seit dem 6. Jahrhundert, wärend das Langobardische erst im 11. Jahrhundert ausgestorben ist.
@Mike88273 жыл бұрын
@@ernststefan583 das mit gotisch bezweifle ich , das rührt wahrscheinlich einfach daher, dass die langobardischen Textfragmente ähnlich alt sind wie die gotischen, und daher viele „Archaismen“ aufweisen. Ansonsten gilt linguistisch alles, was nicht ost- und nordgermanisch, nicht niederfränkisch, und nicht altsächisch bzw. ingväonisch ist, als „Hochdeutsch“, also die zweite Lautverschiebung aufweisend . Damit ist langobardisch in diesem Sinne eine Form des Deutschen. Es könnte eng verwandt mit dem Bairischen gewesen sein, oder eine eigene Klade innerhalb der oberdeutschen Gruppe mit Bairisch und Alemannisch gebildet haben . Übrigens schließt das nicht aus, dass , wie beim Altbairischen, viele Lehnwörter aus dem Gotischen stammen, insbesondere durch die arianische Religion , welche die Langobarden lang mit den Goten teilten .
@INSANESUICIDE4 жыл бұрын
I understand a lot of this as a Norwegian, it reminds me a lot of Icelandic, and Norwegian, it definitely sounds more like Icelandic than Norwegian
@palmadiolio31574 жыл бұрын
Yeah because the Langobards originated in southern Scandinavia, in the region of Skåne (i'm writing correctly?)
@ernststefan5833 жыл бұрын
@@palmadiolio3157 Kommt auf die Sprache an, ich schreibe richtig "Schonen", in lateinisch "Scania" wie die LKW's, in dänisch und schwedisch ist deine Version + län korrekt. Der Norweger sollte logischerweise mit Altnordisch (Skaney) oder Altsächsisch oder Altenglisch vergleichen nicht mit heutiger norwegischer Sprache. Schonen war übrigens sehr lange dänisches Gebiet.
@palmadiolio31574 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@pnkcnlng2284 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm a modern Longobard!
@Krell-ef7rf3 жыл бұрын
Where? From moderne lombardy? Is there still traces of lingibard in your dialect?
@pnkcnlng2283 жыл бұрын
@@Krell-ef7rf Yes I'm from modern Lombardy, our language is Romance but with a celtic substrate and Germanic influences, like in all the romance languages the negation comes before the verb (Like in the italian "Io non mangio" or the french "Je ne mange pas) but in Lombard the negation comes after the verb (Like the phrase "I am not", in italian would be "Io non sono" non js the negation, in french it would be "Je ne suis pas" Ne is the negation, but in lombard is "Mi sun no" Mi= I sun=am no=Not, which is more similar to the German "Ich bin nicht" Ich=I Bin=Am Nicht=Not). We have some words that have cognates into germanic languages, Like Butter in English js Bütèr in Lombard (I know that Butter comes from Greek). Our colture is pretty germanic, we have an Harvest festival i January where we burn a Witch for a good summer, we are really closed into our communities and sometimes we are called racist for this. Our tales are more germanic, we have dragons, witches and trolls, One of this story is the story of my village's name, It is called Cadürach, which comes from "Cà de ul drach" which means The house of the dragon because there was a dragons near the river that passes near my village
@aiurea13 жыл бұрын
Totti might be a Longobard too, or a Goth
@pnkcnlng2283 жыл бұрын
@@aiurea1 Probably not becouse he is from rome, where Italians live
@aiurea13 жыл бұрын
@@pnkcnlng228 the Lombards were in South too in some parts Benevento and Salerno I think? but nobody really knows
@coltm4a1864 жыл бұрын
How old is the original text? It sounds quite ancient.
@fartz38084 жыл бұрын
From the early 7th century. Maybe 6th century. That was when Langobardic was still the court language in the Lombard Kingdom.
@martinkullberg67184 жыл бұрын
Chiacco! Mieno sparacco é tedesco 😁 (Look! my language is tedesco) Those words endings in -ngo remind me of some words in my conlang tedesco. Inquomingo - introduction. Cuoningo ~ king " Jacco talio eno chien' fanno tedesco " I speak only a bit of tedesco.
@Krell-ef7rf3 жыл бұрын
Tedesco means German right? Why are you speaking italian then? Just curious
@333machetemontana2 жыл бұрын
I'm Italian and my surname is Germanic (from the Langobards)
@ashaler__4 жыл бұрын
where is (or was) this language spoken, and what is it? it sounds interesting
@user-wl4sr4tl7f4 жыл бұрын
It is a Germanic language from Italy
@ashaler__4 жыл бұрын
Олег Оленев oh thanks
@palmadiolio31574 жыл бұрын
@@user-wl4sr4tl7f precisely, this was the language of the Lombards, or Langobards, a Germanic people who according to the legends were born in Skania, Scandinavia, but then made a great migration. In the first century Tacitus describes them stationed near Elba if I'm not mistaken, they successively went down to Pannonia and after the second half of the 500 they conquered almost all of Italy. in 774 Charlemagne defeated them and proclaimed himself rex francorum et langobardorum (king of the Franks and Lombards). the Italian region of Lombardy takes its name from the Lombards.
@Innomenatus3 жыл бұрын
The Cimbrian and the Mòcheno languages may be direct descendants.