Law Student’s Misleading Chocolate Packaging Is "AGAINST The Law!" | Shark Tank AUS

Raph Freedman and Rory Boyden are seeking an investment of $50,000 in return for 10% of their company. 'Peak Chocolate' is a workout snack infusing caffeine, dark chocolate, and other proteins. These guys are clearly passionate about fitness, but will that be enough for a Shark to invest?
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[@MrRoyadin]

All of their arguments were really weak. "What are you going to do when a manager quits?" Oh I don't know, hire another one? Isn't that usually how employees work?

[@orenmauritzen8674]

Yeah I agree, the Sharks are full of crap in this one

[@sneersh9107]

Think their point was that they can't completely neglect running they gyms to pursue this chocolate thing, the gyms can't run themselves

[@MrSupdup]

I could have said to her "what happens when one of your managers at Boost quits?". Like, you promote the 2IC of the Gym to be the supervisor. How did they get the second and third manager? They trained them.

[@Jomskylark]

@@sneersh9107 Why not? There are loads of business owners who have multiple businesses. Just hire staff. Plus they can still dedicate a few hours a week to the gyms anyway.

[@laurieouimet4218]

Hi jinx

[@yay12310]

For anyone wondering, these guys made over $400,000 in revenue last year

[@michaelsmith953]

people who take these drugs to work out are basically like cocaine addicts to do high volume trading

[@OU81TWO]

Yes scammers usually do pretty wel.l

[@user-il5hy5tr5z]

OU812 nigga what

[@zachtomlinson8281]

Ziggaboy how do you know?

[@nigget-tv-videos4135]

what was the profit, because i could sell $10 notes for $5 and make millions in sells, but i would make twice as much in loses at least what was the NET PROFIT OF THE $400000

[@jeremycastro8223]

Saying that you can't own a gym and sell supplements at the same time is like saying you can own a. Dermatology clinic and sell Moisturizer. That is literally one of the dumbest things I've seen on this show.

[@jeremycastro8223]

@@kayleet8018 because if you already have a location like a gym or dermatology clinic then you don't need to go looking for clients. You can sell supplements/moisture directly to the people who need it.

[@csanton3946]

I do agree. Maybe for Janine running a gym is like running SpaceX, its that rocket science that it sucks all of your energy. Shes just making excuses, never liked this snake anyway

[@yourlifeisagreatstory]

I thought the same. It’s like saying they don’t want to work with her because she’s invested/working with other companies/products.

[@DCLOVESGOD365]

These business people should stay in their own lane.

[@oscarboswell2688]

Im so dumd i cant read them 2 big words but ill give you a like anyway i get the point

[@someoneyouknow525]

I love how all the sharks/dragons on these shows act like it's the end of the world if the person has another job/responsibility/part time commitment, when they themselves have like 50 business yet somehow manage lol

[@retributionalhazard8626]

I think it's because they have already established their main buisness and they don't help much on these side businesses that's why they want the buisness owner to focus solely on the buisness so the shark doesn't have to do much.

[@An00bisY00tubis]

Speed to market is CRUCIAL for new products. If you don’t spend 60hrs+ driving your products for stockists and market awareness you will fail to break through.

[@icymeow3417]

@@An00bisY00tubis - Yes and they don't need to do shit with the gyms cause they are run by the managers who get paid a salary and want to keep their jobs! Why do these sharks act as if these managers are casual employees who will just leave whenever they feel like it and don't give a shit about their job? I'm just a part time worker at a supermarket and yet I care about doing my job well! Lmfao.

[@alejandrozuniga4426]

The sharks probably have somebody for each of their bussines its not like they are 24/7 directly with all of them bussines

[@baconscoobysnacks3135]

@@casstsj the health claims weren't misleading, they were just stupid lmao

[@Sports-Jorge]

Lady- “I own multiple businesses, am on a tv show and sometime help grow completely new businesses..... but you 2 def can’t split your focus” 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@MzeeRatili]

The businesses are correlated to begin with, like if fitness coaches sell this product as creatine based and as a supplement, it gives the product more credibility. If all gyms got their own managers then those gyms can literally run themselves with the guys playing oversight....

[@yoshibald8958]

@@MzeeRatili but she had a point what if one of the managers leaved?

[@user-gu9lp2ug3c]

Ohh u have a dog at home... how are u gunna feed your dog and run abusiness at the same time... sorry im out

[@hybridgamer4105]

@@user-gu9lp2ug3c 🤣🤣🤣

[@romaboo6218]

@@yoshibald8958 hire a new one

[@chuckmanson6092]

Am I crazy or does that guy have a really long neck? I'm tripping out here.

[@Locutus]

You're crazy.

[@Locutus]

@Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio A Giraffe's neck has the same amount of bones as a Human.

[@ChristianNorge]

Too much of that "muscle accelerating" chocolate

[@hxhxhx91]

you might be crazy but he does have a long neck ye

[@davidanthony7495]

Hehe 😂

[@dantenicastro9617]

Why she going after them for having a chocolate business and a gym business when the sharks have their hands in like 50 different businesses🤨

[@craigoryrobie5676]

No shit right

There's a difference between being an investor and an executive though?

[@witachapinamk1507]

The shark are investing in the business but they are not the main person who runs it

[@drewmortenson]

I don't think any of you have a clue about how large scale investing like this works. If you invest in a company and hold 10%, you are a large shareholder, you are going to help run the business. You don't just drop 50k and watch the royalties pour in....

[@CodeF416]

@ They still are involved in Board Decision making and executive work.

[@MakoKong]

Steve embarrassing himself again by talking about "chemicals". They're amino acids. "facepalm" and everything is a chemical

[@jaybayer3670]

Seriously. That dude is such an idiot, it's unbelievable.

[@dumbdiddy8856]

Well it’s talking to someone with no knowledge. I don’t talk about my biology degree to my parents about any course material. Keep it simple. Not everyone understands.

[@Nomadic12347]

It's the job of the investee to educate that is clearly not his field.

[@RFreed100]

Truth

[@superdanglyde]

@@jaybayer3670, yeah. You're way much smarter than him, that's why you're only here commenting, and is in no way in top

[@mwann85]

This guy looks like a buffed Linus Tech Tips

[@jimmyhansen7277]

Sure does!

[@ashleysam1971]

Holy F, sure he does

[@cylais3518]

You read my mind hahah

[@D3hander]

Holy. Shit. I was trying to place him. You are so right.

[@jreverie7018]

LOL yeah

[@ThanosTheManos]

Instead of yelling at them for making a mistake for the packaging, why don’t you just suggest that they take that part of the packaging away...

[@akiakiii5879]

They did tell them to ask for legal advice for their claims in packaging.

[@dervon9526]

Agreed .

[@baconscoobysnacks3135]

The packaging is actually true, it's incredible that they don't understand the fitness world but they're prepared to criticise their product and pretend they know what they're talking about. Idiots

[@Jim-mq2me]

@@baconscoobysnacks3135 The main problem with the product is that it doesn't have the food amd drug administrations approval of the statements on the box. Edit the aussies have their own FDA so my point might mean less idk

[@Jim-mq2me]

They arn't saying that it's true or false they just want what's legal.

[@agentpeen]

Steve doesn’t know shits worth about essential amino acids and hes like “cHeMiCaLs”

[@terrystanley2902]

In order to 'make" amino acids?...i researched and its all chemicals...now the body makes them naturally. But im no scientist.🤔

[@tigertamerz7257]

@@terrystanley2902 You're absolutely right Terry. The body making it naturally doesn't mean they aren't chemicals. And I'm a med student more dependable than Raph so you can trust me. Also, we learn about proteins in highschool chemistry for a reason.

[@terrystanley2902]

@brandon Le I figured that part out. What the body creates will always be different from whats created in a lab.

[@ironman2326]

I'd be like "yeah water is also a chemical"

[@p00pie]

that was pathetic, he tried to make it sound bad without knowing that he eats those every day and that they are crucial for life.

[@voidfellinthevoid]

When the sharks were asking for proof, however they didn’t even let them finish their statement before criticizing them. It seems unfair.

[@RFreed100]

Thanks bro!

[@Dynasm]

RFreed100 wtf is that actually u LMFAOA

[@marlomed2914]

The rest of what he was about to say doesn’t matter since they already established that the health claim on the package doesn’t have any research backing, which makes it illegal.

[@blakeramsey3373]

marlo Med each of the ingredients mixed into the chocolate are proven to help with muscle growth. Voss water doesn’t need to run clinical trials to prove their water hydrates their customers because they add a little more stuff.

[@Hazed64]

@@marlomed2914 it doesn’t have to be research from them if dark chocolate already have study’s in it

[@TyKizer]

I don't see a problem with it. Chocolate, caffeine and amino acids in a bar is not a bad idea. I hope it does well.

[@mhikari92]

A. It's not a new idea to put this three together......your everyday milk chocolate bar already did it. B. As a law student , he really should know not use misleading , and maybe law breaking , claim on the package , as he have no proof to the claim.(If he do have a scientific proof (on this product , not the individual ingredient) ,than it's legal to have those claims.)

[@chriscortez3334]

@@mhikari92 so if, for example, you made a chocolate bar with acetaminophen (tylenol) and said it was proven to relieve pain, that would be misleading/potentially illegal because there were no specific studies on the bar itself rather than the ingredient in it?

[@thelemitesunite]

@@chriscortez3334 exactly. Tylenol is proven, but tylenol+chocolate is a new mix, so you need to conduct a study and define the effects.

[@TrollPumpkins]

@Ronove exactly. we cannot know until the specific combination is clinically tested hence the shark's issue with the misleading claim

[@chriscortez3334]

@@thelemitesunite ah okay that makes sense

[@kinayt2950]

The lady in red be like : Sorry guys but I’m wearing red so that means ... I’m out

[@madhavdua8624]

She always wears red

[@ben3634]

the australian barbara

[@kinayt2950]

Madhav dua that’s the whole point 😬😬

[@ginsang5334]

I would too it’s being careful and tactical

[@Jinssoysauce]

Madhav dua no shit Sherlock

[@BabySpidersHearthstone]

Does the guy saying there is chemicals in the chocolate not realize water is a chemical?

[@wyntamaxwell2766]

i beg to differ but water is not a chemical. Don't get it wrong. water is tasteless and colourless. Until you miss something with it. Water in its natural form is not a chemical. Don't get it twisted bro

[@hannahs6545]

@@wyntamaxwell2766 it’s h2o... which is a chemical it’s basic chemistry lmao

[@samkahn1991]

@@hannahs6545 lmAo I was just about to say what you wrote hahah! Agreed

[@lewisallan9963]

@@wyntamaxwell2766 literally e everything is chemicald

[@ayajade6683]

@@wyntamaxwell2766 please apologize to a plant it worked hard to make the oxygen you just wasted. It's chemistry 101 as everything is a chemical even air and water. You definitely need to use condoms on top of apologizing to the plant

[@aitechieee]

"I'm a dark chocolate eater. I'd really like to make a Deal." "Do you want one more piece of chocolate to make your decision?" "I'm out."

[@zeinzin91]

tbf it was a condescending statement

[@SachaKDrums]

“Certainly the French live a lot longer because of their dark chocolate.” 2 seconds later: “You cannot make health claims. Full stop. Like...STOP IT”

[@JewTube001]

thats the joke

[@gregoryadkins2213]

Sacha K No it's because they always(Surrender)To the Germans before more troops/civilians die.

[@TheJacklikesvideos]

The difference between a conversation and marketing a product.

[@sudhanvakashyap297]

but she won't tell a product with hose claims.....

[@virg0_lem0nade]

because she was just having a conversation lmao, there's no laws against what you can personally believe 😂😂 the laws are against what you're allowed to claim to customers, in the advertising of a product.

[@daadwarland5832]

“Designed to” not “guaranteed”. As a law student, I think I might DARE to make that claim and take my chances. Maybe it’s not for the sharks, but it’s great in of itself. They know what they are doing. No flaws at all

[@benoitlabrecque4513]

It's the "scientificaly proven to.." that was the problem. Designed to was greyish

[@maxithalo7796]

If you're putting 50k dollars in a company, you want to make sure its clean so you wont get your name in the middle of a trial

[@jonathanharold3767]

All of the the ingredients are scientifically proven. That was their claim and it’s true.

[@kingjames4886]

sounded to me like they were saying the ingredients like caffine and w.e else were studied... which seems legit. pretty sure the sharks are the victims of "a little knowledge is a bad thing" here.

[@Ryattt81]

These guys arent doing this on the spot...its entertainment. If you think a team of lawyers didnt vet this and give them a heads up Im not sure what to say.

[@isamolina1106]

7:35 she's trashing them yet she still eating the chocolate 😂

[@orenmauritzen8674]

Lol its chocolate you know :)) its a good excuse :))

[@guardrailbiter]

One can like the product _without_ liking the business or the business model.

[@spandytube]

"I'd like to make you boys an offer... and for that reason, I'm out."

[@roofthetruth]

"So I'm guessing before the chocolate your mass pull up was like 1 or maybe 2, and you just did 5!" 🤣🤣🤣 shots fired and a good sales pitch i love it!

[@marginatorshy1377]

Roof The Truth nailed it 😄

[@lyzandersohkhlet2542]

"Law student breaks the law",this would make good headlines(im tired of COVID news)

[@lyzandersohkhlet2542]

@The Fox i agree

[@Locutus]

@@lyzandersohkhlet2542 It's a grey area what they're claiming. I think as the packaging stands, it's wrong, but it's down to the wording. If they maybe say "creatine" and such and such have been proven to help muscle gain, that might be a way around the restictions. If you say "Sports bar, *with ingredients* that make your muscles grow" You're not claiming the product itself is going to make your muscles grow, just those specific ingredients. But again, it's a grey area.

[@rigo62982]

Orange man bad??

[@brandonzack2260]

Haha

[@ritchiedummett1605]

Fuck cant even look at reviews and a COVID fucking comment comes up . Fuck me. cant get away from it . And no need to mention it at all .

[@kayz1553]

'Did you scientifically prove that water hydrates you' Jheez.

[@d4nt3_023]

The supplements he listed do build muscle. Idk why Janine is having a fit

[@LUVBUG24K]

She’s mad she didn’t think of it lmaooo

[@CanoasTC]

Because they need to follow the law?

[@d4nt3_023]

CanoasTC they do they’re approved ingredients just not all together as a product.

[@AvoidVanity]

@@CanoasTC Every supplement is proven to build muscle.

[@ckjaer5288]

DanteDubjuice The mixture has to be proven, it’s not though.

[@msstarlight4770]

I tried a similar chocolate once, it was pretty disgusting, so I'm glad somebody has improved the recipe! But what on earth was Janine thinking when she told them the French live a lot longer because of their chocolate, & in the next breath tells them not to make false health claims. 😁😁😁😁

[@julianalopes3161]

She didn't say that to sell a product so it's a very different situation.

[@msstarlight4770]

@@julianalopes3161 I'm well aware of that, I simply mentioned it because it was funny.

[@GhostKillerEntertainment]

There’s a bar here in the US called Awake Chocolate that’s also the same, but I’d give their product a try though!

[@IonDragonz]

Caffine doesnt work to wake me up. The store I used to work at sold Awake chocolate bars. I had one because they claim to have 1 coffee cup worth kf caffeine in it. Its the inly thing with caffine that wakes me up I was suprised it worked

[@GhostKillerEntertainment]

@@IonDragonz yeah those bars got me through college for years, especially during finals week

[@audiobyasma9745]

Awake chocolate is sold at my uni, it has like 35mg caffeine for a bar that’s like 1inch by 1inch

[@pyropony9673]

I'm a streamer and I survive on Awake bars during 12 hour streams LOL

[@alext7074]

And there's Scho-Ka-Kola introduced in 1936...

[@caseymartinklein4002]

There is so much science investigating the effects of all the individual supplements and ingredients, so as long as they cite that research as the basis to their claim, they are fine.

[@julianalopes3161]

No. They would have to say the ingredients have been proven to have those effects or test the final product to have proof of it's effects. They might be right about it but legally they can't say that to sell the product.

[@tinderella2386]

Creatine does F all. Amino acids do even less. And the creatine has been mixed in liquid chocolate and LONG would have deactivated to creatinine which is entirely useless. So actually NO, and the other poster mentioned you can’t just make claims like that and then alter and change an ingredient like that and say it works. You obviously know nothing about creatine.

[@tiamta]

"this is full of chemicals" is a dumb statement. almost everything is a chemical. WATER is a chemical

[@dreamybull1509]

Wait until he hears about dihydrogen monoxide

[@johnsweeney6072]

Poor old Rory he really stuck his neck out on that one.

[@avivamae5171]

Lololol he sure did!

[@Kat-qb1uj]

Rich 91 why did you wanna insult the 1 girl and not the 2 guys who said something first? Ah, I’ll answer for you. It’s because you’re scared of guys and commented at the female because she’s an easy target. You look like a clown

[@Kat-qb1uj]

Rich 91 w-watch out he’s gonna beat u up

[@Kat-qb1uj]

Rich 91 explains why you chose the alternative. I get it, I guess, I would too if I was constantly being rejected

[@mayonasal_spray]

It’s so encouraging to see people from minority groups breaking through prejudice and chasing their dreams! All the other giraffes out there: you can do this too!!!!

[@jakej4028]

omg so mean😂

[@sergiog2930]

What do hoy mean with minorities

[@Tremarex]

@Central Intelligence Agency man, I wanted to write a mean comment in response, but I followed your advice and I got the joke hahah. Thanks, bruh.

[@Tremarex]

@Central Intelligence Agency I did not notice the lenght because I was mesmerized by the thickness - I am more like a pencil-neck person, so I got fascinated with the idea of going to gym to work on that lol.

[@chuckmanson6092]

Hahaaaa. I agree

[@notevennero]

She asks for "scientific proof" He tries to explain to her what science has proven the work of the components...and she goes "no no no" HUH?

[@julianalopes3161]

There's no scientific proof for the product, only for the ingredients. They said they didn't test the finished product. I don't know how all the stuff that goes in it interact with each other. It might work but it might not and by law they can't put something that hasn't been specifically proven in the package. If they said "made from substances proven to do this" they would be alright. I didn't look for it but someone said somewhere in this comment section that they took that off the package. I won't claim they did though because I have no proof of it.

[@izumiruki]

@@julianalopes3161 Good comment. I don't understand why so many commenters on this video DON'T understand this. The misleading claim would be false advertising.

[@fetB]

@@izumiruki probably gym bros that feel offended, especially since its a woman who brought it up. Also notice of the guys was pushing another chocolate bar for her to make a decision, like she needs help with that

[@pimpostrous]

@@izumirukiIts country depedent. in U.S, there is no regulation on supplements and there is no need to conduct testing or proof on the final product to make these claims. If the components have scientific data backing it up, you just have to adjust the wording to make sure it represents the components. However, for pharmaceuticals, it is heavily regulated and each and every change gets a new trial and new patent. Not sure in australia, but this product would not be considered false advertising in the U.S. as creatine and BCAAs are all supplments and unregulated.

[@Platinumcalculator]

She needs to shut up and listen. The scientific proof is on the ingredients not the product. What an air head

[@Carlie_flower]

"We've done research, you're the least liked" He's my favorite...

[@kristijan9539]

Lady in red"This is Shark Tank soo for that reason I'm out"

[@Locutus]

And how many businesses have you invested in? I bet 0. Buying a share or two from a public company doesn't count... She has invested in more businesses than you have...

[@deewitcha]

Locutus his point is, on Australian shark tank they never invest and if they do they always lowball the shit out of the entrepreneurs disagree if you want, but that’s how I see it they never take deals

[@andrecamilleri6503]

HAHAHAHAHAH

[@dannemannen18]

@@Locutus cheer up m8

[@Locutus]

@@deewitcha They do invest. We only see clips here and there. If you watch enough episodes, you will see they all invest, some more so than others. Feel free to give those Sharks some business advice, I'm sure they will listen to a bunch of KZbinrs.

[@mistyyy2250]

She’s incorrect. The ingredients have been scientifically proven to do so. When someone lists a product and says it does what it really does, it’s not the product itself that does it but the ingredients inside. Is she referring to coming up with your own chemical to say it does something specifically? Lol

[@julianalopes3161]

Saying a product does something is different than saying a product is made of ingedients that do something. When combined the ingredients can interact with each other changing their properties. Beacause of that, the regulations will make a company be specific about that kind of stuff. An egg can be used to make an omelet but you can't sell a cake claiming it's good to make omelets because there's egg in it. Maybe their claim is true maybe it's not. We can't really know because there's no clinical trial that tested how the finished product works.

[@mistyyy2250]

@@julianalopes3161 fair enough, makes sense!

[@MrJamberee]

Bullshit.

[@maxmustermann167]

@@julianalopes3161 That's actually not true. Take for example NSAIDs. They are proven to work in combating inflammation and pain. Changing the binder material for the pill to another common one would not require proving that the new pill works as it contains the same NSAID. If you claimed your new binder was actually better you might have to prove that. Everything she said was basically bull. There's absolutely no reason that creatin, BCAAs and caffeine wouldn't work when infused in chocolate. If anything they would be taken up faster as caffeine usually speeds up the uptake of other chemicals. Also the laws on supplements aren't really that strict. Companies claim a lot of shit without getting into legal trouble and what they printed on their packaging was 100% true.

[@isabelleking1151]

@@maxmustermann167 standards for food and supplements are different than standards for medicine. In the US at least, this kind of language would never be approved by the FDA unless they had clinical trials that showed increased muscle mass from this particular chocolate. I don't know how it works in Australia, but I assume it's similar.

[@bobsmith9271]

Janine: "How can you possibly run 2 different companies?" Also Janine: Runs 5 different companies.

[@blacklist5481]

She runs 5 different companies who are in fact managed by such guys who are only dedicated to one job. Business.

[@aldrigforsent8862]

Changing the claim to: “Contains a combination of 3 ingredients clinically proven to support muscle growth” Sorted.

[@mohamaddahduli1829]

Harvard: Do you want a scholarship?

[@aldrigforsent8862]

@@mohamaddahduli1829 Ilhamdulilah!

[@mohamaddahduli1829]

@@aldrigforsent8862 niceee

[@thecaptainsnark]

"that package is misleading! Only the INGREDIENTS by themselves are proven to do what you say you have no proof that when you put them in this chocolate their powers aren't depleted and all nutrients lost!" I really thought they were going to have some horrible egregious false advertisement and not just...a semantics issue. How often do companies do that shit on their own products?? could even keep it and put a tiny addendum on the bottom that says not proven through trials. Thinking about a 'natural brown sugar' packaging that had a warning that *natural is a trademark and does not refer to ingredients. product is not natural.

[@tonycas]

Janine want to far harassing these guys :(

[@orenmauritzen8674]

But most of all: Janine is full of shit, I bet she cannot contain her caffeine

[@mrdgenerate]

They're being really hard on these guys and showing themselves to be really ignorant. My guess is they are hamming it up for television and they wouldnt typically behave this way or ask these silly of questions.

[@adeshkantha7034]

Seriously what was with the "what will you do if the manager leaves" question? She was acting like it was some big "gotcha" . You can just hire a new manager, its not like gym management a rare skill that requires long intense training.

[@shereadsmysteries]

Did she tell them they cannot make health claims and then claim the French live longer because they eat dark chocolate? 🤣

[@deetgrogstin]

The ingredients: all seperately are proven to improve muscle growth and performance The guys: puts them together Sharks: WHERE IS THE PROOF?

[@garbygarb31]

Just because ingredient a works, and Ingredient b works.. doesn't mean that when combined they will do the same thing. That requires testing .

[@deetgrogstin]

@@garbygarb31 unless you alter their chemical composition, foods and the vitamins in them have the same effect no matter what else you eat with them. Theres no reason they shouldnt...

[@johanvanwambeke723]

Quote when they walk out the door "That's a great looking package by the way" She did not say packaging att all.... 😅 anyone else catch that?

[@drowningin]

These sharks never invest in anything. That's why they are on shark tank AU instead of Shark Tank. "You run 2 businesses?! I'm out!" Like wtf?

[@athenahako]

firstly, these shows are always dramatized just for entertainment. I know of someone who was rejected on screen but actually still got a deal, so it’s not actually this bad. secondly, they’re worried about lawsuits and what happens when they’re finally legally obligated to show studies that actually demonstrate the intended effects. medicine is fickle, and while the ingredients work to do what they’re saying it does, it may not work together or may cause unwanted side effects. it’s all about the liability in this case.

[@abc-ni9uw]

The lads necks size have certainly reached their 'peak'

[@orenmauritzen8674]

Steroids is one hell of a drug

[@jattin278]

@@orenmauritzen8674 A piece of advice to you, Take a shot of Test E 250mg for 4 week. Then look at what a piece of shit you're even with steroids in your system.

[@vasilias2230]

Look up formula 1 drivers

[@stephanier1000]

He probably doesn't have the right form when he's working his upper-body; his shoulders look pretty small.

[@deshanmk6]

That guy has a really long neck lol

[@CarlosEduardo-jg7nm]

Literally

[@hellohello9400]

Dudes a fucking giraffe

[@jkm6546]

I kinda want to punch it

[@carpii]

its a side effect of mixing cacoa and caffeine. The other guy is starting to grow too

[@chuckmanson6092]

I want to karate chop it.

[@leftistLizard92]

As an American it's hilarious to hear someone really come down on honesty in advertising.

[@kdawson020279]

The big problem with these is compliance not product quality. Slap the words "This product is not intended to prevent or treat any disease" or the Australian equivalent on it and you're golden. All they need to do is make their labeling consistent with supplement ingredient listing and nutrition labeling like every other non-drug workout product. I would totally buy a chocolate bar that was both tasty and contained caffeine and BCAAs.

[@biggrizzle98]

“The french live a lot longer because of their dark chocolate” then goes into say “you cannot make health claims which aren’t proven” righto Janine.

[@orenmauritzen8674]

Moral: Dont feed her caffeine while pitching anything, turns her into witchy mode

[@shanebell1]

She isn't selling anything claiming that tho the reason she's even mentioning proof is because of future issues legally

[@freddiejoseph4852]

The sharks messed up on this one by asking questions and not listening to the answers. They missed out on what could have been a great opportunity

[@shanekeaganofficial8730]

It's not illegal or false advertising. They are making claims regarding heavily researched ingredients. They are 100% allowed to market their product based on journal research on ingredients.

[@acespadez701]

There's nothing misleading about the packaging in my opinion... it's already been scientifically proven what dark chocolate , caffeine and amino acids do, they just so happened to combine them together.. so yes, the packaging is correct

[@RonShenkar]

The problem arises when you combine all of them together. This creates a completely new product whose safety and health benefits have not been tested. Organic compounds do not necessarily 'stack' health benefits, if compound A is good for you, and B is good for you, that doesn't mean that when combining the two, some weird chemical reaction doesn't turn compound C which consists of A+B into something hazardous for your health.

[@adeshkantha7034]

@@RonShenkar but its just a mixture of the two not a chemical reaction

[@randompersononthenet]

@@adeshkantha7034 nah dude, it changes the structure. Because they have added other chemicals than "just" the two. It isn't like say, coffee. Extremely misleading, imo

[@garbygarb31]

@@RonShenkar this is the exact answer.

[@moredots]

​@RonShenkar if you guys think every possible combination of creatine, caffeine, and BCAAs hasn't been studied to death, you should spend an evening looking into the academic research behind the fitness industry. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of studies on all these things, including when used concurrently.

[@jensonjoseph6296]

Steve!!! All the 'chemicals' you named are actually top 5 essential amino acids. Which you *need* externally from food. Info thanks to college

[@immusic100]

They act like they didnt take risks to become billionaires lol.

[@3ziz93]

They are not even billionaires ..

[@KayleeGridleyLimitless]

Janine: i really want to make a deal!! Also Janine: yea, split focus, im out.

[@FreekToTakex]

Never seen Aussie shark tank before. Man those sharks are shitty...

[@itzdrillza7497]

They're all bottom feeders. They don't have the money to actually really invest like the US version. Mark Cuban alone has more money then all the sharks on this show combined.

[@SMLYTPMovies]

SpaceJam so does Lori

[@hs4823]

American sharks would say yes to a dog poop feeding business dickwad

[@itzdrillza7497]

@@hs4823 If it makes money at the end of the day buissness is buissness.

[@prateek1703]

@@SMLYTPMovies Lori's net worth is lowest among all the main Sharks

[@nihanunal4033]

“That’s a shit answer” but is still munching on their chocolate 😂

[@ascendantwarface4499]

There's plenty of other products out there, that say they do one thing and they don't. They're coming from previous research on other products that have been TESTED, using the same ingredients.

[@NapoleonsLlama]

They were trying to explain exactly this, and Jeanine just talked over them.

[@williamrogerson7095]

Legally, supplement companies can say anything they want on their packaging without it ever being tested. They are not in the wrong at all

[@SESK98]

That's not true. I can't just make a protein bar and claim that it's proven to cure cancer and give you an extra 200 years of life.

[@evotme9995]

Lmao.. dummy.

[@EternalDeath14]

Must be an Australian law

[@CristianGonzalez-km5lm]

@@EternalDeath14 it is. Austrailian law tends to be stricter.

[@flynna]

@oktopustrainer just gotta say it "can" do it in small print rather than does, or small print that sometimes doesn't work etc

[@Axraqt]

When I hear crossfit: *rolling eyes* When he actually does full range of motion pullups: *surprised pikachu*

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

Can't see there being a problem if all three ingredients have been proven effective separately...

[@AvoidVanity]

Yeah ikr. I bet theirs protien powders with littlery the same ingredients and more. Chocolate creatine, caffeine, bcaas and other stuff.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

@Andrew Barnett True in chemistry but when it comes to common nutrients in food chemistry being used as ingredients they usually don't become toxic or anything. And no I wouldn't say I know much in comparison to a chemist - I did do a few biochemistry modules in my degree but it wasn't my favourite subject.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

@Andrew Barnett Yeah I don't disagree. I only made a comment to the effect that I consider it unlikely to turn up a problem. Doesn't mean I think they should skip trials even if the world's most expert chemist agreed with me.

[@itshailey7537]

They have to have it proven that it works in their chocolate no matter if the separate ingredients have been proven or not

[@ZainHoda]

It probably works but they 100% needed to have a real lawyer look at the package and make a recommendation about whether they were in compliance or whether they needed to run their own scientific studies. It’s a major red flag as an investor that they didn’t at least consult a lawyer before selling because that opens them up to lawsuits and regulatory action.

[@MrRoyadin]

That lady doesn't know what she's talking about, creatine actually has a ton of research done on it and their claims are correct.

[@bcarl7953]

Vouch. One of the must studied and safest performance enhancer out there.

[@midas6753]

God these sharks actually start looking a bit like idiots the more I watch episodes where they incorrectly attack the entrepreneurs like this. Especially since none of them have law degrees either (and if they did they would know you don't need clinical trials to be allowed to publish the benefits of an already proven substance)

[@horsegirl07]

Isn’t she saying that particular product though? That Peak itself hasn’t proven that their product can do that. Sure the other ingredients have does their tests but, that specific product have they done the tests to prove their claim? Idk maybe I got it wrong. I could see them having that in there though and not proven could set them up for lawsuits. It seems to be a good product though so hopefully it got sorted out!

[@midas6753]

@@horsegirl07 you don't need to do clinical trials for products that directly use ingredients without altering them in some big way. In this case both have protein in them just because you mix 2 products that both have protein in them doesn't suddenly remove protein from the end product. These sharks look for excuses not to invest because they want the pay from TV without using any of their own cash

[@tinderella2386]

@Royadin Creatine does fckall dude. It’s effects are temporary at best and just due to extra cellular water and increased ATP production but it doesn’t build muscle. Also creatine is only stable in a raw unprocessed form. This has been mixed with liquid chocolate and so on and long LONG would have become creatinine, which actually does absolutely nothing. It’s why you can’t have creatine in pre mixed liquid form supplements because it’s inactive so the tiny amount of creatine you’re gonna get in this for a few squares of chocolate (if it had much in it it would adversely affect the taste too much) wouldn’t do much as best anyway, but it’s also completely inactive

[@infiniteshay8660]

I legit thought Jeanine legit threw a fit just to chase off the other sharks. But then she doesnt even bite despite liking the product.

[@titaniummuff]

Australia: "You must provide scientific evidence to put this claim on your packaging" America: "'Natural' is a brand name and you can slap that shit on whatever you want"

[@deepwalia8482]

Barbara: I'm not part of the show and for that reason, Im out!!

[@ethanhuntakabobturner4285]

Am I missing something about janine's concern with the health claims? If i put protein powder in my smoothie I can absolutely claim it will help with muscle growth. What's the difference with what these guys have done?

[@marshmallowmann20]

Nothing. it's just worded awkwardly. If you use ingredients that are scientifically proven to help muscle growth then you can say about your product that it does the same. she has no clue about the law. at all. she just wanted the others out to make a better deal and then still didn't do it. what a biatch.

[@lruddy8820]

The question is does your smoothie change anything to the protien powder, does it negate anything and to what degree and what effects does that have on the effectiveness of the product and to the person so its not just about the individual ingredients

[@bsmartr806]

I think she owns or partially owns a company that would be negatively effected if these two succeeded. None of her arguments made any sense.

[@QQ-qz5ft]

Marshmallowman, no.. that’s not how it works. The question, like others pointed out, is if the PRODUCT does what they say, not one ingredient by itself. So, we can just mix protein powder with rat poison and say it improves muscle growth? IT doesn’t improve muscle growth, the protein does. What does the PRODUCT do? The product kills you. Cake has eggs, body builders eat eggs, yet, they don’t eat cake…. I wonder why… what could possibly be the reason? With your logic the cake is just as healthy as eggs by themselves because it contains eggs.. There is a reason you don’t see marketing for bakeries touting the health benefits of their cakes and pastries as good for athletes and body builders because their product contains protein. My very real question to you is: how much Windex do you drink to hydrate? Water is the first ingredient, so, it should do what water does, right? We all know the health benefits of water and that it is good for you, hydrates you, windex has water… so, therefore, windex has the same health benefits as water, right? I’d hope your concern with that would be to question the product not me just noting one ingredient. This is what people are noting. Fine, the chocolate has protein, but what does the whole product do when consumed? Just the same as I’d hope you’d say fine windex has water, but what would happen if you drank windex? Its shocking and surprising that there are so many comments just willing to equate the product to one ingredient. Why aren’t you guys drinking more windex then since we know the health benefits of water?

[@fikova9270]

@@QQ-qz5ft nicely put

[@sumeet233]

I don't see Barbara here and for that reason I'm out

[@Locutus]

Ohhh well done. Great comment. Must have taken you hours to come up with that. And how on Earth did you come up with it?

[@OakApplegardens]

Jenny not here and for that reason she's Barbara.

[@RayPossibleGT]

😂

[@Jc-ke9uf]

That guy's neck makes him look like a cartoon character lmao 🤣 😂

[@leslie974]

Haha best lines ever. 1:50 "I'd like to get mine first for once." " Aw we've done research you're the least liked!" I can't even she's smart and ruthless.

[@RudraKrishna]

Has Janine, or Naomi, ever actually seen a supplement container? I doubt it.

[@guardrailbiter]

That's the funniest way of asking: "Do you even lift, bro?"

[@tinderella2386]

Imagine if they saw the packaging of any muscletech product!!

[@AustinKoPersonal]

"The french live a lot longer because of their dark chocolate" lol what

[@jihadakoury7442]

Says the one who was absolutely against health claims

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Morons.

[@Locutus]

She is joking....

[@sergiog2930]

A bit absurd claim

[@akshaybhagwat8841]

Locutus She most definitely is not.

[@patman0250]

It's like she's saying it's illegal for me to create my own coffee with caffeine in it, and say that it will stimulate you, just because I haven't done actual research on my coffee. Well that's kind of irrelevant because we know that caffeine does that already. The point she's making is completely ridiculous. she's trying to fight on points that have already been proven regardless.

[@matteopoerio5632]

Well, it would be illegal for you to make that claim. Whether we know it works or not really doesn't matter. Claims need to be backed up by dara, period

[@aggrogator4045]

"We've done research, you're the least liked" I don't even think she was joking. The look on his face says "oh yeah I remember the surveys" 😂

[@ALEXMGFASHION]

The Law student needs a lawyer

[@ashley4372]

I wish they would play this dramatic music into the studio while they're in there dealing 😅

[@Staplegunner]

Or that soundtrack they play during EVERY pitch at the start, whatever they pitch they Always have the same soundtrack making it seems like they are pitching the cure to cancer or a electric car

[@AkshayRPawar]

Brilliant idea

[@dcwshoreline5416]

Ashley Hills 😂😂😂 Yes!!!

[@wootwootsoup]

I think they were justified. The amino acids are proven to provide benefits. And those happen to be in the chocolate bar.

[@TheNuggzt3r]

When it comes to common sense yes. From a legal standpoint it's not enough when you have proof that your ingredients provide those benefits. You need extra proof that your combination of ingredients does that aswell. Sounds overcomplicated but I guess it makes sense here and there.

[@wootwootsoup]

@@TheNuggzt3r ohhh that makes sense

[@TheNuggzt3r]

@@wootwootsoup Not 100% sure but that's how I understood it.

[@julianalopes3161]

@@wootwootsoup Think about it like that: you can use eggs to make omelets. Egg is also an ingredient in cakes. I can't sell a cake claiming it's great for making omelets. For that reason the law will require me to have scientific proof that cake can be used to make omelet if I wanna write that in the package. Their claim night not be false but they have to test and prove that the finished product still have the same effects the ingredients do. Mixing them might change their properties in a variety of ways.

[@justc1re617]

I love how Janine talks about how they have to prove that their chocolate does what it does and yet it's sitting there eating it during the rest of the show.

[@julianalopes3161]

Liking the taste of the chocolate doesn't mean she doesn't understand they made an unproven claim when trying to advertise their product.

[@justc1re617]

@@julianalopes3161 yeah but I just meant its funny that she's talking about how their product isnt going to work while eating it.

[@meister3225]

@@justc1re617 You're fucking stupid lol

[@Primetome]

That form was actually pretty good. Rarely seen from a crossfitter.

[@EliaS-hq9yu]

So just googled them, it doesn't seem that they have it on their packaging anymore

[@andreagentilini3528]

Comedy/laughter is the best way to sell, his line. " Sport of Crossfit " had me on the floor laughing 🤣🤣🤣

[@owpal9246]

The zigzag above they're logo reminds me of the fyre fest logo

[@davidanthony7495]

“It’s a great little package by the way”... who the fark says that after they’re out!!! It’s kinda like shaking the hand of the boss that fires you.... 😬😬😳

[@alistarmitp2250]

Glen is a goat he understands small businesses

[@keerthana7353]

Hey I’ve seen these in stores! They’re alright I’m not into dark chocolate but really cute packaging.

[@orenmauritzen8674]

Awww! Cute :3 *Buys chocolate bar, keeps it in little cage with water and food*

[@krypto8996]

@@orenmauritzen8674 idk why that made me laugh haha

[@akira3871]

"If you split your focus between the 2 they'll fail". Coming from someone who's literal livelihood comes from splitting her attention between multiple businesses.

[@suhaylnawar7232]

I lost it at “CrossFit”

[@indyjones1173]

He must have called in sick when they had the class on misleading information

[@indyjones1173]

@Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio I guess this is the bit he missed in class. This is what he should have answered:) Also, while ingredients like Creatine for instance, while proven to help muscle repair, needs to be at a certain amount and frequency in order to do what it supposed to do. Adding a gram of Creatine to chocolate will not do what Creatine will do when taken everyday at five grams doses

[@mehulsinghtomar2049]

Maybe he was in the gym

[@brandon3431]

Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio nobody should be taking anywhere near 45 grams of creatine a day, not even in a loading phase. What are you smoking? 😂

[@brandon3431]

@Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio I dont believe anything you just said. You specifically said "most people" take doses ranging between "25-45 grams" during the loading phase. Absolutely not. The average dose for a loading phase is 10 grams meaning "most people" would be taking about 10 grams during loading phase and 5 grams 5-7 days later. No one would ever touch 45 grams. That's an insane amount and even 25 grams is obscene. I've been around pro body builders, strength trainers and professional athletes. None of them have ever gone over 15 grams during loading phase. Whether you actually have all the qualifications you'd like me to believe is irrelevant, it's quite obvious you're knowledge on supplements, strength training and body building is severely lacking.

[@brandon3431]

@Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio I didn't say you "recommended" anything. I was merely quoting your own statement. When it comes to creatine I felt it was pretty obvious we were talking about creatine monohydrate. It's the most popular and affordable variant of creatine on the market not many people use anything else. As for the dosage, again 20-25 grams is on the EXTREME side. Most people take about 10 grams as the standard benchmark for a loading phase and then 5 grams daily thereafter. It wouldnt shock me if I heard someone was taking 20-25 grams during their loading phase but that would have to be someone who's an established athlete with dense muscle mass already. Nobody in their right mind would touch 40-45 grams. Let's get back to the product, 1 serving contains 2 grams of creatine. I could easily see someone using this supplement to build muscle mass. 1 serving in the morning and 1 serving prior to a workout could easily maintain creatine levels. Janines accusations were unfounded as the ingredients themselves have many years of clinical research to back up their claims. Those 2 guys should have told her where to shove it.

[@pitalovr]

“You want another piece of chocolate to help you decide?” the shadeeeee lol

[@8UMadBro8]

For everyone claiming they were right: just because individual products do something, doesn't mean they will have the same effect when mixed together. To make a claim, you need to conduct a study using the same portions of ingredients so you can say definitively what effects the products may have.

[@julianalopes3161]

I want to do an experiment. Give a cake to everyone who said they were right and ask them to make an omelet. I mean egg is an ingredient in the cake so it will work right?

[@atlbraves277]

Not really accurate. All of the items in the bars are already proven to have the benefits they spoke about. They don’t counter-act each other in any way. It’s basically a pre/post workout snack. The claim is valid.

[@benoitlabrecque4513]

@@atlbraves277 Is there a study showing there is no interaction between the 3? You assume there is not. Claiming so on packaging without evidence is against australian regulation

[@atlbraves277]

@@benoitlabrecque4513 there are thousands of studies showing the interaction between the three. That’s what y’all don’t understand. This is very researched science. It’s like questioning the earth being round

[@invictuz4803]

7:20 that just proves how much of a sadistic snake she is. Then there's the fact that she only makes shady snake deals that only people in despair would take. All this while having a huge smile on her face.

[@Locutus]

You're wrong. You don't understand business.

[@chuckmanson6092]

Did you not notice that guys neck?

[@twentyfourtythree1190]

She's awful.

[@hsk8787]

Janine always makes an offer when buff guys are pitching 😂

[@RileyFreeman8]

Packaging is fine. Literally no different than any other packaging. The health claims can be backed up by studies that were already done.

[@dizimz]

If you frequent supplement stores, you may notice that major products/brands come and go, there are two reasons 1) supplement companies fall under legal scrutiny regularly. The often operate as llcs and so when thecompany gets sued into oblivion they file bankruptcy, and then the owners create a new llc, slightly tweak the products and come back branded differently 2) health trends change rapidly, and people follow the trends more than the science. The trouble with that is it leads to the the aforementioned legal scrutiny. For example, lots of products right now have heavy ‘keto’ branding, but if you look at the nutritional info, a lot of these products contain enough carbs in a single serving to kick you out of ketosis. The industry is rapidly moving from trend to trend, so false advertisement is a consistent problem. Hope this works out for these guys, they seem really passionate about it,

[@MartinAston00]

We “compete” in a “sport” called Crossfit ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ivanmamula7588]

Well they have to mention it, like a vegan not telling you they're vegan is impossible.

[@siege2928]

That said atleast the pull ups were clean and not wiggly BS

[@tinderella2386]

@Ivan Mamula Nice strawman arguement But CrossFit is much more of a sport then bodybuilding is and people try calling that a sport. If you’re so insecure about vegans maybe you should take a look at yourself and your unethical selfish lifestyle But hey, if you eat meat you have atherosclerosis, and I do not. So there you go. But dem vegans though

[@spencer5810]

every episode of Australian shark tank Steve: Where ya from? oh nice Janine: smiles Naomi: “Great idea, concept, etc. Im out” Andrew: “i can get you in america” Glen: takes off glasses and makes hands gestures holding them.

[@Dannyboyy86]

In a nutshell

[@HughesEnterprises]

Workout chocolate has been around for 80 years. Scho-Ka-Kola is a dark chocolate with added caffeine from coffee and Kola nut. Germans used it in the ‘36 Olympics and all through WWII. Still sold today.

[@andrxies]

The packaging said "scientifically proven supplements" however this 'supplement' ie product, had no testing to "prove" this. The shark was correct. Some of the other claims are a little more grey and dance on the line in typical marketing fashion. It looks like they've updated the packaging and watered down all the claims immensely. I think they were sincere in their approach though, they probably had done the research behind the ingredients but just got their wording wrong on the label.

[@_Jashawuh]

I lost brain cells watching this lol. She was completely wrong about the packaging. I don't think they need to hire a doctor to find out the benefits of amino acids and creatine. Pretty well established.

[@CodeF416]

FACTS

[@BostonPower]

DO THESE PEOPLE EVER GET FED???? PITCHER: WE'VE CREATED CRAP ON A STICK SHARKS: I WILL EAT 14 STICKS......

[@nonfiction876]

I disagree that they were misleading, creatine and caffeine are the most researched supplements in the world, and BCAA's are not far from there. In terms of the synergistic effect, well it doesn't claim that on the packaging, that is her interpretation of the text.

[@bogdanb32]

Did Jennifer just said to Steve: "We've done research, you're the least liked"? LMAOO that cracked me