Lawyer Reacts: Jodi Hildebrant Victim Adam Steed Interview - Will He Be A Witness for Ruby Franke?

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[@Ideadelight]

I hope Adam will be a witness for Jodi’s trial. He has done so much for Boy Scouts and changing laws. So much respect for him and he’s been through so much. Ruby, to me, has done this to herself. I think she has a lot of problems in her childhood that, when Jodi came along, she was sucked right in. Laughing at her six year old because she forget her lunch. Tying the kids up, not feeding them, having her son sleep on the floor for 6 months, no. Ruby needs to take responsibility just like Adam is doing. Thanks Peter

[@edamameedamame1202]

Justice for Adam

[@munirasultana2313]

Well Said ❤️‍🩹

[@abv250]

I saw the interview with Adam. Remember his courage. I felt like I couldn't bear to watch, but felt obliated to at least bear witness. He has obviously suffered so much

[@Britty_90]

I listened to Adam & Jessi's case (Jodi's niece) and in my opinion Jodi is the core problem here. BUT Ruby should be punished to the fullest extent as well. As a mother, nothing or no one could convince me that abusive behavior is okay. Ruby is their MOTHER, and honestly Kevin should be held accountable as well. These kids will always carry severe trauma because of these freaks, and even worse, they think its their fault. Brainwashing at its finest, but not an excuse in my opinion!

[@KatieBSewCrafty]

Her son saying it was his fault when he told the neighbor…ugh. It kills me every time I hear it. Absolutely heartbreaking 💔

[@Britty_90]

@@KatieBSewCrafty agreed, it was so sad to hear that. I can't imagine the brainwashing these kids have been exposed to.

[@My2Monkeeys]

No Ruby Franke is not a victim. She was abusing her kids long before she met Jodi. People who aren't open to the kind of stuff that was done to her children, would in no way be open to what happened. Nobody is going to be able to "brainwash" me into abusing my kids, because I am not open to it, period.

[@LostAndSortaHighVibes]

I grew up in ILBP, still would rather die than ever hurt my children. Ruby was never a victim.

[@karenwhinesmore9347]

Very true

[@Dominique_99]

I just wrote the exact same thing and then read your comment. They were also doing it on camera before Jodi came along.

[@carolynmoe1796]

Ruby is a monster, but I think Jodi also brainwashed her. She's still responsible for her actions tho

[@laurenmay2098]

Ruby is some how slow. There is something about her that makes me think she is out of the house in her brain. She smiles all the time. With that said, she did inflicted a lot of pain an psychological punishment to her kids way before Jodi came along. With Jodi in the picture, Ruby escalated the punishments and methods. It is like Chad and Lori, they mixed and things got very bad quickly.

[@brittabby]

What the hell is wrong with people? Lock them both up and throw away the key….

[@jacquelineglitter4328]

Agree 💯 %

[@dianeratti5644]

Seriously Yes put them in prison!

[@1strights]

Yes

[@be.A.b]

In the grand scheme of things, prosecutors will prioritize the biggest fish. Having the weaker offender take a plea bargain, will guarantee that both of them receive jail time. There’s always the chance that a jury will find one of them innocent. Jodie is the bigger risk to the community. As far as we know, Ruby wasn’t long-term starving her kids and duct taping them before. Multiple family members have come out and said the abuse never escalated that far. Jodie has a long history of this behavior towards adults and children. She has also evaded the law thus far. Once the heat gets going, she will say and do anything to make herself look like the victim. Since she isn’t the mother, a jury might be more forgiving towards her. Not taking the chance to guarantee she jodie behind bars, would be a huge mistake to the prosecution. It may seem “unfair” from a black and white standpoint, but it’s actually very smart from a legal standpoint. Anytime two perpetrators are involved, it’s in the prosecutions best interest to bargain a plea with one of the defendants. Otherwise, they could each throw each other under the bus in front of two separate juries, and essentially got off without justice.

[@dianeratti5644]

No way the jury will find one of them Innocent ! Ruby was staving those kids & never gave them privacy had the CAMERA in there faces there whole life ! She enjoys watching her KIDS suffer Shes sick & is a sadist & so is her husband! She did this not because of that sicko Jodi Ruby was just so happy DOING all this crap to her kids for YEARS !!!!

[@cindymorgan7295]

Kudos to this man. It takes a lot of guts to do what he’s doing.

[@slconley]

Everyone should also look up Maurice Harker, he is another “Therapist” that worked directly with Jodi. He was arrested the end of this September for similar treatment.

[@harley6222]

Wow!

[@justjamie333]

Adam Steed’s story is heartbreaking. Thank you for speaking on his experience. I guess certain people want to silence him

[@hothamradio]

🙏🙏 thank you Peter for discussing many of Adam Steed’s main points. People need to hear what he said in that interview.

[@daphnedherbert]

The interview was amazing, its so sad that Mormon Stories has to fight to get it put back up after a cease and desist.

[@mizmo2431]

Excellent commentary, Peter. Much appreciated. I am hoping for an eventual class action suit against the Morman Church to hold them accountable.

[@choosegoodalways]

It’s not a church’s fault they don’t teach or condone this behavior! These are individuals choices all on there own!

[@watchdog8058]

the church referred lots of people to jodi though even after she lost her license. they should get some sort of punishment as they knew she broke laws, was convicted, still sent people there.

[@booswanger3801]

I believe everything Adam said. He has emails and receipts from all his interactions with Jodi. I will also add, Ruby was a disgusting human before she EVEN met Jodi. When Ruby and Jodi got together it escalated for sure.

[@nickiemccormick5392]

I really hope the church is held accountable too…

[@choosegoodalways]

No this is a individual choice! This church does not teach or promote these behaviors!

[@toriesuejacobson8041]

Why exactly? “The church” has NOTHING to do with this!!

[@breewixom6179]

I completely disagree with that statement. The church did promote and support Jodi. Steed's Bishop referred him to her. I grew up in the church and have lived in Utah most of my life. I can attest to the fact that members do put a lot of weight into what their church leaders advise. Members can be really gullible and trusting, believing that these leaders are guided by God--and that they are privy to inspiration about our personal affairs. It sounds weird to a nonmember, but yes they believe that leaders are given promptings regarding those they lead. So yes,the church is involved by promoting her and allowing her to give them info about his sessions. They k ow that is illegal but they didn't care. The church will obviously downplay their connection to Jodi now, but I think they are also culpable morally.

[@GiraffeGal1]

I go back to Jodi niece’s interview. She indicated she was basically tortured by Jodi until she confessed something. Hopefully Ruby’s kids are getting the therapy they need which will help them feel safe and feel better about themselves. I can’t imagine how confusing all of this must be for the kiddos. And I can’t help also blaming their dad for not checking up on his kids and reportedly making virtually impossible for his children to get in touch with him. I wonder if Rudy’s sisters ever reached out to him.

[@coralieelliott2076]

He hung up and wouldn't even speak to his oldest daughter--if she knew the kids were being neglected how could he not know?

[@daphnedherbert]

did you watch the Adam Paul Steed episode? The way Jodi controls families is really insidious .

[@GiraffeGal1]

@@coralieelliott2076 that’s so heartbreaking

[@robinbond7878]

Ruby was already a questionable parent BEFORE she hooked up Jody! People were already calling CPS on her for her own bazar punishments that she gave her children!

[@sanster7700]

Adam said Jodi hates men. Unbelievable what she did to families.

[@elsedutch4972]

That’s exactly what I thought and stated recently in the reactions!! And see! Somehow who knows says the same!! It is all about revenge for this woman Hildebrandt (a dutch name btw) ….

[@WooWoo-co4jf]

I thought so too, I think she's same sex attracted, her marriage didn't work, as a result she hates men.

[@WooWoo-co4jf]

Sanster, that's a gorgeous rose avatar, you'll probably think I'm just but I can smell it as I look at it :)

[@dianezatanna9676]

They also hate children as well.

[@Jennifermcintyre]

And she had a billion dollar church sending a steady stream of new victims… Jodi’s wierd a$$ bunker looking house is worth 2.8 million dollars. It’s absolutely disgusting how she’s been rewarded for her evil actions.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

Adam was a victim that was put in a room with predators, and he said, "Would you put Elizabeth Smart in a room full of predators?" NO

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

Adam Steed is amazing! He didn't accept what Jodi was doing to him!

[@jacquelineweaver2530]

This breaks my heart for the kids and all the families Jodi has ruined. I could never imagine doing these things to my children

[@sanster7700]

Adam and his story are amazing.

[@kaileyrosemahan8101]

So glad you’re covering this! What a roller coaster interview!

[@rosemariejanssen7790]

From video clips I see Ruby was abusing her kids before Jodi came on the scene. She is ultimately responsible for her children’s safety. She is guilty! My opinion is I would never allow my kids to be abused by anyone! I like your channel and your honest opinions. Thank you.

[@Vegas_Mel]

So glad this wasn’t a Live, perfect choice Peter. Thank you for this coverage.

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lidarandolph8322]

My question, has anyone ever been exonerated from a major crime by claiming brainwashing?

[@jonathancase4372]

Not exactly exonerated because she was convicted but later pardoned, but Patty Hearst may be an example.

[@rachelann9362]

Didn’t a few of the Manson Family that were at and potentially involved in the murders given immunity? I feel like some have, or got to plead to lesser chargers. Honestly, it would make sense if you’re the prosecutor trying to take down the “leader” on a weak case. But, that would mean Ruby needs to come out of the delusion and actually across to throwing JH under the bus.

[@AliciaM5555]

Excellent question! But Ruby had been reported already way before Jodi!

[@coralieelliott2076]

@@jonathancase4372 Patty Hurst though was kidnapped and kept in isolation --she may have even been raped--it wasn't that she voluntarily joined the group

[@lidarandolph8322]

@@rachelann9362 I was actually thinking about the Manson family when I posted the question. The major players in the crimes were all tried and convicted. That’s why I don’t see how Franke could get away with what she did to her children.

[@sherrinvale]

No one better stand up for Ruby, she is totally responsible for what happened . .

[@leighanne3266]

What about their dad?

[@LostAndSortaHighVibes]

@@leighanne3266 Throw him in for neglect too.

[@Caketime2]

The point is yes she still needs to be held accountable but we also need to get Jody off the streets no matter what. And if that means a plea deal for Jody to get less time I think it's worth it. Jody has harmed thousands of people not just her own family but other people's children's as well

[@annaandjuju]

@@Caketime2Jodi is definitely is the bigger fish to fry in this scenario but Ruby made some terrible decisions that she needs to pay for too.

[@JagoffCitizen]

I think Jodi recognised Ruby's propensity for sadism, and with her enormous established audience, Ruby was all round Jodi's golden ticket. Maybe there is an element of folie a deux: they validated each other's cruelty and amped it up.

[@sallymattingly8915]

Thank you, Peter, for covering this. Am very interested to hear your take on this as the case progresses.

[@ChrisK-1969]

Peter excellent video as always. The light being cast on all this is so important. The abusers use shame to keep their victims afraid to speak. I am glad he has come forward.

[@jennydiver100]

I think you're right, but it's clear that Ruby was well on the path of serial child abuser before Jodi came into the picture. There is no doubt Jodi made it worse, but I don't think it should let Ruby off the hook. As a mother, I was HORRIFIED to see some of the videos she was posting from years ago. I still say that she was protected by the Mormon church whose influence is in the courts, law enforcement, and undoubtedly CPS in Utah and other states. We should be worried about children in Utah, Idaho, Nevada, and other states with big LDS populations.

[@sydney.mp4]

definitely agree. i think it's totally possible for her to be an abuser on her own and a victim of jodi. i hope the authorities really listen to ruby's eldest daughter since she's probably the person with the most insight into ruby before and after jodi. when people talk about kevin and jodi's impact on him, they often forget (or don't realize) the eldest daughter doesn't appear to speak to him either. if true, i think that's really telling.

[@lindseycassella3015]

​@@sydney.mp4I thought I heard that the eldest son lived with him. Is that true?

[@lorismiley]

Harsh words, though totally on point. Thank you for speaking out. Silence only perpetuates the cycle and the abuse❤

[@kathiek4239]

Peter, do you think Ruby can use this “Jodi made me do it” defense without implicating the LDS? Jodi was recommended by & had ties to LDS leadership. Her “therapies” dealt with routing out “distortions” or sins based to some extent on LDS teachings. It seems to me it will be difficult to separate Jodi completely from LDS. What do you think?

[@heathertaylor6774]

Hi, I am from N Ireland and know very little about the legal system in Utah. It is probably naive but I worry that the judge will be a high functioning Mormon and could that sway the court? Thanks so much for your coverage of this terribly sad and disturbing situation.

[@elizabethlacky6068]

This is such a public case that whoever the judge is, he/she will be heavily scrutinized. People are horrified at the abuse of children.

[@heathertaylor6774]

@@elizabethlacky6068thank you, that eases my mind.

[@elizabethlacky6068]

@@heathertaylor6774 You are welcome ! ♥️

[@MichelleJones-vb6ec]

Ruby was abusing her children while she and husband were on utube. The oldest children tried to report their parents to social services. There was one video where the oldest boy looked totally broken. But Jodie took it to the next level.

[@artnixie]

Peter, this is one of your very best videos. Nuanced, clear, and original analysis of this complex case, without devolving into salacious details. I know you love the interactivity of livestreams, but this uninterrupted flow really lets your legal mind and empathy shine.

[@DrofJustice]

My thoughts exactly. In addition, Adam’s story helps explain why Kevin was absent. Ruby was the perfect victim as well, because she was already pretty nuts as a parent.

[@bekind758]

The interviews with those who have had treatment from Jodi are so horrific. Jodi is so scary.

[@kathleenmckeithen118]

Thank you, Peter, I agree with you that Adam would be a very good witness in this trial. Cults often have lots of hidden child abuse going on.

[@margaretireton5850]

But NOT to get Ruby off the hook. They are both equally culpable for separate reasons. It was a symbiotic relationship where they validated each other's cruelty and sadism and amped it up. Even the administrators at the Jail were seriously aware of their punitive symbiotic relationship and took initial action to see that Ruby and Jodi were housed separately in the jail with Ruby being placed in the infirmary section in order to maintain the jail housing separation.

[@Rae777]

I think what’s hard for me about this, is that Ruby was publicly engaging in horrendous conduct prior to Jodi publicly being in the picture. I definitely need more information, but it’s hard to see Ruby as a victim when I witnessed the glee she got from punishing her children unreasonably. I’ll try to keep an open mind if/when this goes to trial.

[@AliciaM5555]

YES!

[@Bubblegum12345]

Agreed the KZbin videos look like she enjoyed it however Jodi was already in the picture when the harsh punishments started. Ruby started talking about truth and distortion years ago which are Jodi’s words. Not excusing Ruby, just observing the timeline .

[@carolmckee8456]

In the few clips of the 8 passengers videos I saw, it was very evident that Ruby enjoyed depriving, humiliating and punishing her kids. It's also heart-wrenchingly obvious that her kids, especially the 2 youngest, were unhappy. Those videos were shocking. It appeared to me that Kevin joined in the fun pretty willingly. IDK how long she was 'under the influence' of Jodi but I think these two abusers found each other and teamed up.

[@KatieBSewCrafty]

I haven’t heard enough to know where I land on Ruby, specifically, but I find Adam’s story so compelling. It’s astonishing what people will do in the (false) name of religion. A cult mentality is a very powerful thing. I find Adam to be a reliable narrator and think he would make a great witness in the trial against Jodi - even if not necessarily for Ruby (though the similarities is super interesting). I appreciate you following this story, Peter, and like the angle you saw in this one.

[@maryannlebowitz7638]

Why was the video taken down on Mormon Stories. Adam and Jesse were so compelling and truthful it broke my heart. Thanks for your insight!

[@lesliematteis8010]

I truly believe that Jodi has desires which are not condoned by the LDS church. Hurting the male partners of objects of her fancy is a way to mitigate the discomfort she feels.

[@janicelawson7518]

Sadistic desires.

[@Nyo-taDOG]

This is a tough case. It tugs at my heartstrings. So sad. 😢

[@allin9631]

The reason why I listen to you is because you look at every angle even if it’s hard to hear. You have great points!!

[@judyjb2305]

Yes, I thought that interview was pretty insightful. And, also, there's a clip out there from the 8Passengers a few years ago where Ruby's oldest son mentions the name of ***His*** therapist "Jody". So how many years did this go back, and how many family members (including children) did Jodi act as therapist for as well??????

[@kaileyrosemahan8101]

SO GLAD you were able to watch that interview! It’s critical context especially for how Kevin might not be implicated. On the other hand, they could also use Adam to show that someone DID stay involved with his kids despite Jodi’s plotting. Just a thought.

[@BS-tz9iy]

Thank you Peter for covering this.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

Finally, you're covering this ! Thank you ! Look at Dr. G, HE examines the body language

[@dbentleyto95]

I certainly appreciate everything you shed the light on as well. When I heard Adam's testimony and also Jessi's testimony, there were definitely the same types of indications that Jodie is diing the very same thing to Ruby. Thanks again for keeping these stories in the limelight

[@chelseawhittaker]

Peter! Loved this video. Is that a new shirt? I call it “lilac!“ I really appreciate your coverage of this because so far, Adam has done a bunch of interviews, but none of the lawtubers have really taken a look at what he had to say the way you have. I had the same exact thought, wondering if they can call him as a witness for Ruby Franke and potentially even Kevin if need be. I think his testimony also speaks to a much bigger problem involving the covering up of abuse and corruption within the church. The mechanisms in place have kept people silent for so long, and until people like Adam continue to speak out, and their stories are given the credibility they deserve from people like you, nothing will ever change. There’s no one better in the law community or anywhere else to shed light on these issues. Thank you. ❤️🎻🐿️ P.S. Apparently, England has recently added a law that allows for “coercive control“ to be charged criminally. From what I understand, it’s designed exactly for situations like this. Hopefully the U.S. will get up to speed on that - it is desperately needed.

[@CMpuffin]

Great analysis. Thank you, Peter. Loved your analogy about the importance of shining a bright light into dirty, dark areas, even when truly ugly, as imperative to cleaning the mess.

[@champton911]

Jodi was Ruby’s brother in law’s therapist years ago. I don’t know the exact timeline but I know she’s been “counseling” the family for a long time before any of this happened. Most of Ruby’s controversial parenting tactics (taking rooms, Christmas, withholding food..) were suggestions from Jodi. This is an extremely important fact that nobody is acknowledging.

[@mkm1225]

If half of what Adam Steed said, Jodi should have her license revoked for life as well as prison time. As for Ruby - to be so smitten with another adult that you abuse your children at their direction? How can she not be just as culpable. And the LDS Church leaders should be held accountable as well. They recommended Jodi to members of the church.

[@carolynnilsen9270]

Bit late for me here in 🇬🇧, will have to listen tomorrow. How come you are covering this when M Stories was forced ( wrongly) to remove it?

[@TheRealLittleBiddle]

I really admire him for continuing to speak out.

[@janetteaguirre-terry2986]

Totally agree with you. Want to hear more about this case, please. Take care🙏🏻😘

[@elenasimon1270]

His points are almost exactly what Jodi's niece said about her. Scientology calls it your ruin. Let the sunshine sanitize.

[@Darcalpha]

Nice segment! It is refreshing to c that u are a lawyer first, KZbin second. Thanks for the insight.

[@Luv2LuvEm]

Jodi’s niece used to keep Jodi’s books and they said that Jodi absolutely makes tons of money from the Mormon church. Jesse used to be the one that billed them so they saw first hand.

[@travelintheresa7884]

Need to go after the dang bishops that used Jodi

[@MarqueMyWords2442]

Excellent perspective. Great show. Not only is Adam Steed a man of integrity, he may also be an important key is taking down an abusive "therapist" like Jodi. She really does need to be taken down and stopped.

[@bwright728]

Hey Peter! Thanks for breaking down this case. It's so interesting to see how different arguments start to come together when evidence comes out. I have lived in Utah most of my life, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I used to work for the Division of Child and Family Services here in Utah. So, this case intrigues me on multiple levels. Please keep covering this case!

[@wotiluv]

The court ordered Adam’s interview on the Mormon Podcast to be removed. I’m sure they will do everything in their power to keep him out of this case. Any thoughts on that’s?

[@wotiluv]

My guess is that his disclosures may have violated an ND from prior lawsuits.

[@booswanger3801]

@@wotiluv, Adam stated on his IG account that his ex-wife wanted his interview removed from Mormon Stories Podcast. That’s what people are saying anyway.

[@wotiluv]

@@booswanger3801 oh I see ok that makes sense. It’s because he mentioned Hee a thousand times but she sounded so evil.

[@ChaiTei]

We have to remember that Ruby and Kevin were involved with Jody in Connections for the past three years- this includes some of the most concerning things brought up on 8 passengers. I think Rubys defense could bring up the point that taking away her son’s bed, refusing to bring her daughter lunch, sending her teenage son to “wilderness therapy camp”, 12:12 12:15 taking away all the kids extra curricular activities and removing them from school- most of the worst things we viewed were encouraged and suggested by Jody Hildabrandt who the family trusted to counsel their family. Ruby didn’t always make the best parenting decisions but the past three years you can see things escalating. I think Ruby did believe Jody was the expert who was helping her family and trusted her advice. Jody was scarily manipulative and evil and she enjoys destroying families. Definitely think things wouldn’t have escalated to this level of abuse without Jody’s influence on Ruby. She should still be held accountable for her actions because she is their mother. But I think the defense has a strong argument that Ruby was manipulated and brainwashed by an evil person- Adam Steed and Jesse (the niece of Jody) both could testify to that possibility.

[@barbararuell8199]

Agreed Peter she is evil and manipulative Adam can attest as well as others that hopefully will come forward

[@drddianesbryant]

If you haven’t already listened to Jessi (Jodi’s niece) interview on @Mormon Stories, while Jessi was being abused by Jodi she did invoicing for her aunt and said most of her clients’ bills were being paid by the Mormon Church. It would be interesting to know if the Church was paying for Ruby’s “counseling.”

[@dianeb.4782]

Rewatch crew. Peter you & @Timcast are the highlight of my day.

[@bettyir4302]

These church bishops who insisted on members going to her and using her gossip against them should be looked into.

[@booswanger3801]

That includes BYU

[@michelephelps1087]

4 days ago Mormon Stories podcast announced that they received a temporary restraining order and had to take down the interview with Adam Steed. ☹️

[@darbydelane4588]

You are doing The Work, dear Peter. Thank you.

[@someonesgranny5387]

Thank you for this video. I watched the long form interview with Adam Steel on Mormon Story podcast before it was taken down. It was hard to listen too. Your summary today ,from a,legal view point, that Adam is a,strong witness in building a case againt Jodi, is a positive one.

[@leaterry1504]

Please keep posting on this horror story! You give great commentary on it!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Thank you!

[@notnew2this]

I appreciate your content. Hello from Indiana !

[@4H2O4EVER]

I think what is very scary is Jodi believes she is right.

[@lindsayder]

Peter, this is a unique angle on this case and what sets this channel apart!

[@kathywright7395]

Adams story is heart breaking.

[@TjLaBam]

Jodi must have thought she’d won the jackpot when she met Ruby. Sick sick sick!

[@marmite.]

The Moran channel that did an interview with him has had a court order to take his interview down .????

[@karenlodge197]

Could that because of the court case I wonder 🤔

[@Why0825]

Supposedly the ex wife is who got it pulled down. There’s audio on hidden true crime I believe (?)

[@larisabaker2745]

You are on to something! I thought the same thing especially when I saw the video was taken down

[@laurieambrose1742]

Great coverage!😊

[@karenlodge197]

I’m going to have to be part of the catch up crew! It’s way too late for me!!! I wish I had the stamina of @Azam 😅

[@suebrubaker6182]

After listening to Adam's interviews I can't see that they could only move forward with him as a Witness. He has proof of the insane things they did. He has been through so much, and as a former abused child I understand how difficult this is for him, He has nothing personally to gain from this but us willing to tell the truth of what they were doing. I'm sure it will help Ruby but, it must be heard to make sure Jody is punished thoroughly.

[@mammajamma4959]

Peter- who filed the order against mormon stories and why?! I am worried this will discourage other victims, plz shine the light! THX

[@katyarb5745]

Thanks for breaking it down Peter!!

[@robertplocke]

I really feel like Jodi has more culpability in this case. Ruby is guilty too, but I think Jodi was the mastermind.

[@nooneyouknow4829]

MSP got a court order to take down Adam's interview. not sure who or why but it's speculated it was Adam's ex

[@cocobear285]

Her niece is witness to being funded by the LDS church. Her clients were almost exclusevely from the church. The church was absolutely aware. They were informed of the abuse and they continued to support her regardless.

[@Meow-Meow501]

Wow, thanks Peter! I count on you to keep me up to date on this case and had no idea about what this guy said or even knew his name though I did recognize that this was the person that caused the censure on Jodi’s licensing.

[@mollymollie6048]

Ruby and Kevin were abusive to their children long before Jodi came on the scene. I hope he doesn’t testify for her or Kevin. Testify for the kids if needed. But…his (and the podcast that did his interview) have had their First Amendment rights stripped and he’s not allowed to speak, and his story can’t be told. That should be the focus…who is forcing the removal of the interview and why? Jodi? Ruby? Kevin? LDS Church? If Jessi is silenced next, that should be telling…

[@ponderrosie4975]

AMEN to bring on the LIGHT!!!!

[@cocobear285]

I listened to Adams full interview. Jodi time and time again has ripped families apart. She accomplishes this by manipulating the wives. What happened with Adams ex wife parralels closely with Ruby. You can understand the why without excusing the actions that came from it. Ruby was coerced and manipulated. But she also chose to treat her children the way she did and those actions need consequences. But maybe Adam could be used to help the Jury understand why or how. Definitely damning testimony against Jodi.

[@junebugrx7004]

Jodi’s niece Jessi said that she would do Jodi’s books and the Mormon church was her biggest payer

[@rebeccaboulse651]

Mind provoking presentation…very good job Peter!!❤️

[@ladyj.9350]

Dual relationship is a specific term used to describe any relationship that the therapist has with the patient outside of therapy, whether it’s friendship, business, familial (ex-aunt) or romantic.

[@ashleelynn7094]

As a viewer following the 8 passengers issues for years now, ruby definitely went from authoritarian strict parent to abusive delusional mother when Jodi entered the picture for sure. Jodi was definitely the catalyst in this situation and ruby was the perfect medium for Jodi’s brand of ideology. Spot on analysis for Adam’s video, 🙏

[@booswanger3801]

You can be strict and not be cruel. Ruby was strict and cruel way before Jodi.

[@HannahMitchell-Art]

These are really interesting, thank you

[@rosemarythyme8595]

Between what Ruby Frankie grew up in with that weird religion, and sticking with it, and then getting mixed up with Jody, I can see how this culminated. I am not defending her. I’m just saying that she’s displaying learned behavior, and obviously narcissistic traits an probably a full blown narcissist. She puts me in mind of how my sister raised my niece with the exception that my sister didn’t have any religion involved, but my sister was so cruel. By the time I was 10 years old, I went and lived with and vacationed with every single relative that would have me because my mother was an absolute narcissist, and it was unbearable living with her. I was her scapegoat. I left home 14 and never returned. I just moved around with whoever would take me in. There is such a huge difference in the way I raised my kids and the way my sister raised her daughter, and I think it is because I spent next to no time with my mother because she was so vile. I believe my mother passed the narcissistic traits on to my little sister.

[@trudiharmon7640]

Excellent episode definitely lots to think about and to take into account.

[@AdaptWellNutritionandFitness]

Thanks Peter!

[@MarjaMariachi]

That about Jodi HIldebrandt working at a troubled teen wilderness camp... those places often use similar torture methods that she used on children inside her own home. Instead of mom and dad dropping their kids off there, they use the old Stasi approach: bust into the house at 3am, drag the kid out of bed and disappear them. And once there, they suffer horrific abuse. The infuriating part is these camps get away with it. I guess she figured she was untouchable, could do anything she wanted -- thank God that's no longer the case!

[@nadzach]

Every decent mother in America will want to know how this case will bring justice and healing to the children. AND what will be done about the church's role is. Will the church be held accountable for their role. Considering hildebrandt's high fees,, I can't help but wonder if the church wasn't get a finders fee. Had she already established a pyramid?

[@TraceD007]

@Peter Tragos why would Mormon Stories Podcast be ordered to take down Adam Steed’s interview?? There is a very similar interview with Adam in a 2-part series on Hidden True Crime and it’s still up. Why and who is ordering MSP’s interview be removed?? Also, there is a telling live 9 ish minute video on Mormon Stories Podcast. There is a big news organization that John (from MSP) is helping to gather. He’s asking for specific information. Why??

[@eliseintheattic9697]

Defense can try, but jury members who are also parents (so most of them), arent going to buy it. It's just not going to happen. It's the same with cases in which a couple abuses their children (Turpins) but the wife was also abused. Even though the wife was abused and feared her husband, they were found guilty and received the same sentence. There are some things that people aren't going to excuse, and sadistically torturing your children is one of them.

[@melodypalmer6410]

This is exactly what I’ve thought all along.