Elon Musk's Thermonuclear Defamation Suit Is a Dud

[@LegalEagle]

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[@OverAnalyst]

Free speech for him & various cronies? Definitely! In general? Clearly not.

[@TearDownGenesis]

Never did.

[@itsmebernie]

+1 OverAnalyst .. he never cared about actual free speech for everyone

[@osmosisjones4912]

Legal eagle less relatable sense he indorced Joe Biden

[@YusufGinnah]

I did n@z! that coming either...

[@TheAdAarora]

As a non-American the fact that you can just file a lawsuit in whichever state gives you the best headstart is baffling

[@bendavidson1210]

Well you can certainly file the lawsuit, but like he says in the video you typically won’t get very far before being issued a dismissal if neither party has any connection to the state. Generally speaking the purpose of our specific jurisdiction system is actually to ensure that people only have to defend themselves in states where they have purposefully availed themselves of the benefits and privileges of local state law. This can happen through conducting buisness, advertising, etc.

[@gostovahs8121]

Only the rich would be able to casually do something like this

[@countbenjamin1442]

Yeah it's odd to me as an American that our different judicial areas have different rules. So on some states you can't do something but in others you can on a federal level depending on what that judicial area said

[@trappedinamerica7740]

It’s a terrible weapon against poor people but like everything else the legal system is for the wealthy

[@JasonBoyce]

the thing is, Musk has the money to pay lawyers to be on retainer 24/7, meaning their only job is to be on-call, and file whatever he wants, whenever he wants to that extent, it costs him nothing to file these frivolous lawsuits, because he's already paying for the representation

[@codyvangogh8111]

I love that the world has collectively decided to keep calling it Twitter.

[@Brasswatchman]

I've been going with Xwitter, mostly just as a way of mocking the whole thing.

[@sheboyganshovel5920]

It might have helped if he'd provided an alternative. X is not a business name.

[@nostromonaut]

Almost like when he says you can deadname people on the platform again that also applies to his precious company 😂

[@johnladuke6475]

I really want it to be called The Company Formerly Known As Twitter. We only had to do that for about five years before Prince changed his name back.

[@werelemur1138]

I tend to use Xitter, with the Chinese pronunciation of x as sh.

[@barbararowley6077]

Even pre-Musk, Twitter had a serious problem moderating hate speech when it used terms that were offensive outside the US. I saw really vile things said to Australian First Nations people that were dismissed by Twitter mods as not hate speech when the words used would get you kicked out of any Australian pub (we have a high tolerance for swearing, but not for racial slurs).

[@_BangDroid_]

As an Aussie, totally agree. But now it's worse because many non-racist people have left and the place is a cesspool constantly stirred by elmo

[@mhods4457]

Hate speech does not exist other than in the listeners' mind. Stop willfully choosing to be offended.

[@platt_mallar]

@@mhods4457 Let's ignore the intent of the speaker, and just blame the victim.

[@mhods4457]

@@platt_mallar Yes it's called having thick skin, and once upon a time, most people did. Tell me, why should I care what someone I don't respect says about me? Why should you? You want to make it illegal for another human to say something that offends you. That's literally what fascists do.

[@hikarikouno]

​@@mhods4457 You can't "have a thick skin" when bigots use these twisted rethorics to cause harm to real people. The reason we regulate hate speech is because spreading hate causes real harm besides "Someone called me a poopy head online :(".

[@rayjaymor8754]

Wife: "You cheated on me! You slept with Sharon!!" Me: "This was an extremely rare and uncommon occurrence, and you had to go digging specifically to find this information, so realistically it's not subsantial"

[@CptJistuce]

"In my defense, you told Sharon to try to sleep with me." "You weren't supposed to take her up on the offer!"

[@schneeente3440]

The point of the lawsuit is not to win it, it is to cause financial strain to the defendants to make other journalists think twice about reporting something negative about X, fearing they might have to pay legal fees if they do. I think that intention to intimidate should have been mentioned in the video.

[@SaintKines]

And of course pander to a specific audience

[@WyvernYT]

In the meantime, there's a newsworthy trial going on and other journalists have good reason to remind people "there's a lawsuit about racist stuff on Twitter" and "Musk is suing the people who found racist posts not the racists who posted it."

[@jonathanmarth6426]

The thumbnail says "SLAPP" which stands for "Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation" and I think Devin also uses that term in the video too. It's a pretty well known tactic and in some states you can get a case thrown out if you can prove it's a slapp suit. Of course you can usually find a reason to sue in a state that doesn't have anti-slapp laws.

[@sonoda944]

Thats literally the definition of the SLAPP lawsuit

[@jakob8922]

I am here to commend Elon's increasing efforts to make twitter a completely ad free platform

[@_cloudface_]

👏 underrated comment, you've done some top tier KZbin commenting there Jakob 👏

[@thisdudegotreal]

I bet he claims this was his REAL motive in his next interview. 4D chess etc

[@rajabuta]

​@@thisdudegotrealis that why twitter is no longer twitter? 😂

[@carrieullrich5059]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@SuperAwesomestness]

Yeah, I guess they won't have to block ad blockers

[@five-toedslothbear4051]

Something I would like to point out as a software engineer. And I think it applies here because we are actually talking about software. When we test software, we don’t test it delicately by not stressing it and treating it with kid gloves. We test software adversarially. We test software under harsh conditions. We test software under conditions where we are trying to make it fail, and it must not. That is what Media Matters is doing here. What they are doing is not organic, but neither is the testing that Twitter’s safety department, if it were to actually exist, should have been doing all along.

[@SynchroScore]

And isn't Elon Musk supposed to be some kind of computer programming-type guy? Like, that was supposed to be his only actual, legitimate skill? He's definitely not an engineer, probably thinks that a newton-meter is a device for counting fruit-filled cookies.

[@tygerion4404]

@@SynchroScore Nah; his one real skill is having money, and being able to gaslight people into thinking that he's responsible for everything done by the companies he owns- even when the thing he's claiming credit for was in development well before he took over.

[@friedrice4015]

@@SynchroScorehe claims to have a physics degree (which it turns out he never finished) and use that to pretend he’s kinda like an engineer

[@WyvernYT]

I expect he laid off the Twitter software testing guys too. As it's been written: Test your code, because where you type "foo" some clown will type "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious."

[@SynchroScore]

@@tygerion4404 And naturally, he and his sycophants bring up the engineers who actually do the work only when something goes wrong.

[@educing]

Free speech for them, a slapp lawsuit to those who disagree with them and a monthly subscription fee for everyone else.

[@unholysaint1987]

freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences... if my neigbor uses his freedom of speech to call the police and say he heard gunshots and i killed my wife, 6 squad cars show up and shes sitting there eating dinner with me, shouldnt my neighbor get a consequence

[@mayonotes9849]

​@@unholysaint1987Unfortunately Elon is literally doing the: "Free speech for me and the people that agree with me, bans, lawsuit etc for those that don't." but he's rich af so he can afford being a man child and abusing the legal system.

[@SharienGaming]

@@unholysaint1987 at the minimum the guy should have to pay for that mobilization - but charges for attempted murder by cop would certainly be plausible as well

[@LifeEnemy]

​@@SharienGaming Filing false police reports is typically a crime on it's own, FWIW

[@purplefood1]

@@SharienGaming I think the specific outcome would depend on the situation there's a good chance it's a reasonable mistake or alternatively a deeply malicious person attempting to get someone killed.

[@klutterkicker]

I wish rich people would stop using the courts as a soapbox.

[@brianmelendy1194]

THe courts love it though. It pays the bills. The media loves it too. For the same reason.

[@ohauss]

There's nothing Musk doesn't use as a soap box. Remember, he wanted to use the rescue of a bunch of kids in risk of drowning in a cave to showcase his latest toy and called the hed of the operation a "pedo" when he preferred to stick to established methods.

[@GyroCannon]

At least the lawyers are well fed

[@OscarOSullivan]

Remember the time Tony Robbins took Buzzfeed UK to court in the Republic of Ireland my country.

[@vanesslifeygo]

Imagine the bs fees to defend yourself against a doctor you wrote an honest bad review about.

[@Unyubaby]

"I'm still gonna call it Twitter." And that's exactly why this name change was stupid, unneeded, and just ego-fuel for a manbaby.

[@lightknight876]

How else is he gonna somehow claim to be the "FOUNDER"?

[@emilyrobinson6080]

Its like if someone bought the McDonalds brand and got rid of the name, the menu, and the golden arches in favor of the most bland and generic name and iconography possible-taking one of the most well recognized brands ever and throwing it in the trash

[@jamesabbot-cole6814]

It comes across as a placeholder name to me. As far as I can tell it is something he latched onto in the 90s when the letter X was quite popular.

[@tmage23]

I call it "Xitter" (the "x" is pronounced as "sh")

[@adamb89]

But we can still call them "X-cretions" instead of tweets.

[@relight6931]

Just a reminder! When those kids and their couch got stuck in a flooding cave in Thailand and a group of divers got organized and managed to save them all, Musk idea over this globally known situation, that captivated the whole world, was to propose to make a submarine to go through those caves, and when one of the lead divers said that his idea is frankly...moronic, he actually publicly called the hero diver a pedophile.. The diver sued Musk, but lost since it's kinda hard to get justice versus someone with billions for lawyers..

[@penguinista]

Next time I go explore a cave, I am taking my couch. So much more comfortable!

[@relight6931]

@@penguinista Haha

[@bootstrappedfriend1752]

Thank you for the reminder. The man acts like an immature tw*t. Whenever the opportunity presents itself. Without his money, someone would have shut him up ages ago.

[@mattvjmeasures]

That "paedo guy" tweet was when my opinion of Elon started to diminish. Now I really don't know what to think. What is he doing ?! I can't help but admire what SpaceX are doing, and those Tesla cars do seem pretty bloody good, but flipping heck, Elon, what is going on with you ? Stress? Fatigue ? Genuine arseholeness ?

[@lizzie-6247]

@@mattvjmeasures I understand it's hard to see the flaws in someone you admire, but Elon's been childish and hateful for years

[@thewrongsorcerer]

Reminder that "free speech" Elon removed tweets critical of Turkey's government.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

And Pro-Ukrainian accounts after he got called out for shutting StarLink Terminals off that were on Drones that were supposed to sink Russian ships firing Cruise missiles at Ukraine. and after he said Ukraine should give up their land for peace. Because that worked so well for Neville Chamberlain in 1937. And totally wasn't the cause of a world war 2 years later.

[@tinkerer3399]

It's kinda like a car company suing a crash center for failing their car in a crash test because they intentionally crashed the car. But what would Elon know about car companies... wait.

[@balaenopteramusculus]

Hahahaha!

[@ashleydstone8623]

you say that as a joke but I do believe the NBC has had a lawsuit filed against them by GM... I'd have to dig around and find the specific case number but I believe that's actually happened.

[@JoeBidenHatesU]

Not quite. It’s more like someone who knows they have shellfish allergy going to Walmart and buying some shrimp, goes home, cooks and eats the shrimp then writes a news article blaming Walmart for their allergic reaction.

[@tinkerer3399]

@JoeBidenHatesU That analogy would only make sense if the Walmart in question was advertising that they have no shrimp in their location and going on and on about how impossible it was to have any shrimp in any of their buildings. So if a person can walk in and buy some shrimp then Walmart was lying weren't they?

[@tracycottrell5146]

​@@JoeBidenHatesUWal-Mart is gross. I wouldn't buy shrimp or anything not even my killer clean-up supplies from the Walmart. They don't even have proper parking lots. Just saying

[@persianking44]

It's amazing that people still don't understand that freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. But in Musk's case it isn't surprising in the least.

[@oliver_twistor]

And that it only regulates interactions with government, not between private entities. I believe it's because very few people actually read the Constitution. They just go with what trolls on social media claims free speech is about.

[@JoeBidenHatesU]

There’s a difference in organic consequence and conspired consequence. I’m sure media matters being located in DC is just a coincidence though.

[@griffin123122]

@@JoeBidenHatesU "there is a difference between organic consequence and conspired consequence" what conspiracy do you think happened here? "I'm sure it's just a coincidence MM is in DC" why would this matter?

[@whitesoxMLB]

How is this related to the current video at all? Feels like the anti-Twitter crowd showed up based on the title and jumped straight to commenting their favorite slogans. Defamation laws (or "disparagement" here) are limitations on freedom of speech. Musk isn't even on the pro-speech side of this lawsuit.

[@bardoomguy]

Quite telling that you people always say that. Always. Your disdain for other people's freedom of speech is crystal clear. It's funny, because I am 100% certain you'd be a singing another tune if the political camps were reversed. No principles. Just pure tribalism.

[@chessbotter]

So basically, the argument is "you finding racism isn't real because you pressed the 'show racism' button to do it"

[@Justanotherconsumer]

White fragility, the book, in a nutshell - if we deny that racism exists then we can claim to live in a post-racist society and admitting that racism exists makes us angry. It has to make us angry, because if it made us think we’d admit that racism exists.

[@FrostyButter]

Exactly

[@artsyscrub3226]

Basiclly, "racisim doesn't exist because you reserched it and found racisim clearly meaning you were serching for it" Which i hate this logic even if I'm serching for racisim and i find it that doesn't mean racisim doesn't exist...

[@caralho5237]

Thats a lot like the "I cant be guilty of racism against you because im oppressed" argument. Elon showing his true colors. Hes a lefty.

[@aimemaggie]

@@caralho5237 my guy, how did you calculate 3+4 and February?

[@matthewbergeron3641]

Hate speach is at an all time low!!! On an unrelated note we have also begun defining "hate speach" much much more narrowly

[@michelchamoun9967]

hate speech is anyone disparaging elon. everything else is ok

[@DanaTheInsane]

The only thing he considers "slurs" is cisgender and transgender.

[@RichTapestry]

@@DanaTheInsane And he declared TERF to be a insta-ban slur, but not any of the other ones that actually are slurs. You know, the types of slurs that if I typed out here on KZbin would get this comment banned. Those are okay on Twitter though, but not the acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminists! No wonder it's a hive of right wing extremists now.

[@Ze_eT]

@@DanaTheInsane "Sprinklr defines hate speech more narrowly by evaluating slurs in the nuanced context of their use." Meanwhile, Elon completely bans "cisgender", which is basic terminology that is not used to insult others, for being a "slur". There is no chance to evaluate the "nuanced context" since you can't use the word to begin with.

[@queztocoaxial]

Hates peach? No, no, everyone on my platform loves peach

[@nordicFries]

It's hilarious to say "We define hate speech more narrowly now - and "Hate speech impressions are way down" at the same time. No shit, if you stop counting racial slurs and nazi imagery as hate speech your numbers will go down.

[@rnokmh]

"Welcome to Las Vegas, now with 12% less rape!"

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

"We have confined the definition of free speech as those who use the expression "deez nutz", this has, in turn, lowered our hate records!" *Days later* "Hate speech records are at an all time high!"

[@bast713]

Right?!?!? The statement itself prompts a "and how did you arrive at that conclusion?"

[@Nobard0]

They redefined it because people who are apparently allowed to say certain slurs were getting banned for using them.

[@nordicFries]

​@@Nobard0 They allowed nazi symbols and to say the n-word. They allowed KKK-members to spread propaganda and they allowed known antisemitic groups tp spread anti-Semitic fake news. They did add some anti-republican phrases to that list and started to ban journalists who reported on the changes and questioned the decision. That was Musk's whole idea of "free speech".

[@apjtv2540]

Elon Musk is the sort of client who probably pays more for his lawyer's therapy bills than he does their attorney's fees.

[@AskenOrbital]

Musk pays his lawyers with 4chan memes.

[@SRFriso94]

Still pays better than being Trump's lawyer. Equally unenviable task though.

[@EzraM5]

If he even pays them...

[@royce9018]

That was barely a coherent thought… 😅

[@kunicrossgaming]

I wanted to say "at least elon pays his bills" but then I remembered... Luck for the US he only qualifies for president of South Africa...

[@foobarFR]

For a free speech absolutist is very prone to determine who has the right to say what about him.

[@nuxxism]

They don't want speech to be free for everyone. They only want their speech to be promoted and free of consequence.

[@marylut6077]

@foobarFR free speech protects and enables anti-government speech, Elon is not the government so he and everyone else is protected by libel and slander laws

[@zengrath]

Yep, I found it interesting how he went after people on twitter also posting information about where he is. Like most republicans, freedom of speech only applies to them, not other people despite claiming they support all freedom of speech.

[@bigjared8946]

Not doing business with someone is a form of free speech, Elon.

[@jasonhammond4301]

And the right-wingers like Elon are to thank for that, lol.

[@SNAFU2025]

Yep. I won't use twitterX

[@fredfredburger5150]

_"Hey that's a nice company you got there, shame if something happened to it, like advertisers pulling their ads if you don't do what we want"_ Technically it's coercion.

[@haxie4516]

​@@fredfredburger5150 Nah, not really. A significant portion of the advertisers who pulled out have stated they have no plans to ever return to advertising on twitter. It can't be coercion if nothing will change their mind. It's free speech.

[@bigjared8946]

@@fredfredburger5150 Yeah, every business that's ever gone under is due to "coercion" by your customers. Were all the people who quit buying Bud Light "coercing" AB? How about all the people who didn't go see The Marvels? Were they "coercing" Disney? Some company "not doing what you want" is the number one reason people stop spending money with that company. This is actually just capitalism and BASIC market forces. If don't like that you're a communist. Stop trying to nail Daddy Elon to the cross, we need the wood for a fire.

[@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj]

Every Malignant Narcissist ever: "The problem is you exposing my bad behavior, not that my bad behavior exists."

[@revisit8480]

Every previous Twitter mod: You cannot say the word NIGG-

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@revisit8480 Yeah? Because that's a Racist slur. Newsflash, Freedom of Speech doesn't exist online. You have the rights a site gives you. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@kevak1236]

What X lawyers are saying is that Media Matters just did a simple software stress test using some predefined variables to see if the expected results happened and they did occur. I thought space karen was a software genius, this is literally software testing 101.

[@rhov-anion]

I know! I laughed at this whole thing. It's a basic software stress test, and they failed. Twitter/X should be doing this DAILY.

[@a.w_.]

Considering he nominated and elected himself to run engineering at Twitter you’d think he’d be familiar with stuff like this.

[@drcatspaw]

What does that say about the advertisers? Did they ALL completely fail to do their own stress test? Or did they just decide advertising next to some of these things didn't hurt the bottom line enough to care? I think we all know the answer to that.

[@ChenKaifeng]

@@drcatspaw Great point. These advertisers are huge companies with software and advertising systems of their own. They're not ignorant to how advertising is paired with content.

[@JayM-]

Space Karen 😂 is the perfect name for Elon Musk

[@mmcmann9539]

I hope Media Matters asks for EVERYTHING about the finances, user numbers, and advertising in discovery. I have a feeling it will be very embarrassing for him. Well, he doesn’t have the capacity to see it as embarrassing. He will blame everyone else.

[@greenfloatingtoad]

He doesn't have the capacity to admit to seeing it that way but i think it will still gnaw at him

[@Faded.Visuals]

The issue is that Media Matters, most likely will pay a hefty fine. I do have a law degree and I do practice under the supervisor of my senior coworkers, but defamation and assassination of character and attacking one's livelihood happens literally all the time. I'm in civil cases usually, one of these day I plan to move onto criminal/federal, but liability cases are so frequent and it has been proven that Media Matters, did ran a sting operation to give the appearance that most advertisers had their ads next to racist, sexist and etc posts and ideologies. Which is technically illegal. I can personally go make a bunch of accounts on twitter/X and spammed your feed stating that "you hate grandmas and are planning on killing every one and stuff" without authenticity backing it up with raw & unedited facts. You would see me in court saying that I "cancelled" you and you cannot make a single cent on your legitimate business because I "killed" it off thus ending your livelihood. Besides, the crap I have been seeing on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok are far more problematic and quite troubling. Now I don't care for Elon, but the man has a case where either Media Matter will have to pay incredible large amount of fees, for potential lose earnings for both the company and shareholders, and possible declare bankruptcy

[@griffin123122]

@@Faded.Visuals "it has been proven that media matters ran a sting operation" no it hasn't lmao, Musk claims they ran a sting operstion. They didn't teach you that you have to _go to court_ first before you can say your claims are true?

[@All-the-wonderful-stars]

​@@Faded.Visuals So X has free reign to lie about their services and anyone that challenges those demonstrably false claims is now civilly liable? Twitter CEO said "we don't advertise next to nazi content" Media matters went "look at these ads next to nazi content looks like that nazi ad filter doesn't work so good" Elon: I'm going to sue you for proving that what we said was not accurate.

[@davidjennings2179]

​@@Faded.VisualsI'm not quite sure you read what they did but their claim wasn't that this is everywhere but that it happens - Musk's response was to admit it does happen but only in contrived circumstances. Companies started to cancel contracts for advertising where, as stated in the video, a single instance of it happening broke the standards they expected, contrived or otherwise. Because Musk admitted that this is possible under twitter's rules all Media matters are responsible for is highlighting this truth. That isn't to saw Musk's expensive lawyers won't be able to draw something out of it or drive up legal fees such that they go bankrupt but from an initial legal point of view the case should be thrown out.

[@realalbertan]

Companies can choose to not give their business. Blaming Media Matters is scapegoating

[@roryregina]

It is baffling that most who scream "Free Speech" can't accept that there are actual consequences for that same speech.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

And also want to restrict the speech of people they don't agree with

[@randomocto9842]

You can at what you want, but good odds if you say something really bad, you will get backhanded.

[@totokekedile]

"Free speech is when I get to say what I want and you have to just sit there and take it."

[@nunyabiz7699]

They want free speech. Sure. But they are not saying that they want free speech for THEM. NOT for everyone.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

The consquences for censoring it are exponentially worse. And you don't care.

[@tremkl]

Ahh, I do love the defense of “Hate speech is actually down, because we significantly narrowed our definition of hate speech.” 😂

[@GoodLawgic]

It is responsive to "hate crimes are up because we widely broadened what is labeled a hate crime."

[@fakemaster]

If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.

[@haxie4516]

@@GoodLawgic Lmao, 10/10 for failing on that. Nobody said hate crime. It's hate speech.

[@zachrodan7543]

It is right up there with "unemplyment is down, ever since we changed our definition of unemployment to exclude those deemed 'unemployable'"

[@mikek7050]

The outcome of any lawsuit won't matter. He'll lose, because he's wrong. But he'll claim bias, and "They" want to take him down. It's all too predictable.

[@glynrh8892]

Yep, it’s about getting the victim card and the platform. Even he must know this doesn’t have legs

[@micolashcage267]

It’s funny how many will fall for it too. Worlds richest human is actually a victim of the powers that be. Oh the humanity.

[@TheChlozie]

Idk. I'm no expert, but one time Musk called someone he didn't like (because they criticised him) a 'pedo' online. The person took Elon Musk to court for that but Musk still won. I found it baffling. His legal defense boiled down to 'it was a joke' and somehow that won..?

[@mikek7050]

@TheChlozie That is protected by the first ammendment. If the person was able to prove damages, he might be able to get something, but how does one prove they aren't a pedo.

[@_BangDroid_]

He'll go full trump. Never go full trump

[@exoZelia]

"Consequences for my actions are weird and new, I don't like it" - Musk, laying awake at night in between ketamine hits

[@stingerjohnny9951]

And yet he keeps doing it.

[@spoopyvirgil4944]

@@stingerjohnny9951 The ketamine hits or the stupid actions?

[@stingerjohnny9951]

@@spoopyvirgil4944 Yes

[@LiftandCoa]

@@spoopyvirgil4944 Indeed

[@trulsdirio]

One of the richest people to have ever lived is playing the "the elites don't want me to succeed" card. How delusional can one single person be?!

[@Goerge-lu3ok]

he is not playing cards,he actually believes what he says. today he uploaded a "meme" feutiring his face saying "so you are not mad at them for lying to you but you are mad at me for proving they lied to you". the guy thinks he is the messiah. thats what happens when you build a huge echo chamber around you of rradicals who cheer for you about everything you say.

[@whitesoxMLB]

A group of companies with a net worth in the trillions just ended business with him all in short succession. You could make the case that they're justified, but denying that it's happening and calling it "delusional" seems un-informed to me.

[@GhostAeonWolf]

@@Goerge-lu3ok He might not be a messiah, but that does not make the gigacorporations rightful.

[@Goerge-lu3ok]

@@GhostAeonWolf bro what are you talking about? His companies have received more money from the state that Disney could ever dream of.

[@WobblyBits_X]

@@Goerge-lu3ok It certainly doesn't help that easily impressed technophiles have essentially been worshipping him *literally* as a saviour of humanity (I have seen those specific words many times) for the last decade or so.

[@BatAmerica]

Wow, Elon Musk made a stupid decision involving free speech? In other words, today is still Tuesday.

[@Bacteriophagebs]

Well, that's how you tell that it's Tuesday. The rest of the week, he makes impossible promises that his companies can't deliver.

[@ChasetheG]

It's Wednesday in Australia.

[@prize9550]

In other news*

[@rockshalunesta]

I for one am shocked SHOCKED I tell you!!! 🙄

[@herauthon]

ill wait for tomorrow to answer that ..

[@jloiben12]

Remember folks. There is a reason why Elon was fired in the first 6 months the one time in his professional life he worked at a business that he didn’t control

[@utterlyviolet]

What place was that?

[@rovgero9932]

​@@utterlyvioletyo mama

[@wow-sham1300]

Weird how he help one to multi billion dollar evaluation and created another which has the best record and its own rival is using it

[@scarreddwarf9316]

Make 1/1000 of the money Elon has made in his life then you can type bro

[@rovgero9932]

@@scarreddwarf9316 tip riding a man child is crazy but hey ride away

[@pattressel3864]

Speaking as a (now retired) software engineer, who has been tasked with investigating tricky issues "escalated to engineering", the methods used by Media Matters to detect and document the issue are entirely proper. First: If the problem occurs randomly, that is, if its frequency is based on statistics, and especially if the problem is reported with low frequency, then in order to reproduce the problem in a reasonable timeframe, and obtain multiple examples of the problem, of course one runs one's test for the issue over and over, preferably under automation, not by having some unfortunate human poking buttons, and one repeats the test as rapidly as is feasible. Second: One sets up the test using the reported conditions under which the problem occurs. One does not, should not, try any settings whatsoever. This is why we ask users what they did before they observed the problem...so that we can reproduce the conditions. One does not ignore the reported conditions, try something else, then say to the user, sorry, works 4 me... Note that the "user" here is the advertiser, not some random X user looking at their feed. The issue here is not how often does some user who never does anything but look for cat videos encounter a non-cat post with toxic content. It is, does the advertiser encounter the problem, yes or no? Does the advertiser have their ads shown on toxic posts. Of course one must examine toxic posts to reproduce the conditions.

[@francespyne7316]

I will never understand why people don't understand that the constitution specifically states the government shall not . . . It doesn't state a person or company can't

[@michaelfried3123]

To quote Forrest Gump: "Stupid is as stupid does."

[@valolafson6035]

Watching these videos tells me, there are a lot of things people don't understand about their rights.

[@maxdanielj]

They'd have to actually read it to know that 😂

[@brianmelendy1194]

Because they've never actually read it.

[@Xhistris]

Same reason they still don't understand 'freedom of speech' doesn't mean 'freedom from consequences' and claim they're being oppressed and censored when others use their same freedom of speech

[@Nemo12417]

The fact that Musk shopped around for a judge tells you all you need to know about it.

[@JordanDragonAs]

And still lost

[@NostalgiNorden]

The fact that you can shop around for judges tells you all you need to know about US democracy.

[@davide4725]

@@NostalgiNorden Not really, it says more about the justice system than democracy.

[@Kodiak42]

@@NostalgiNordendon’t drag democracy down with the failings of our judicial branch

[@judychurley6623]

Well, his lawyers did.

[@dracoargentum9783]

Lol, was just about to type “well, technically, Media Matters _did_ set up the situation for the ads to be set up next each other: they joined twitter.” and then he effectively said it.

[@Redactedlllllllllllll]

and this means? what exactly? that advertisers should somehow believe that this can only happen if someone "forces" it to happen? He got a bunch of nazis on his platform and no sane person wants to associate with nazis or people who believe nazi adjacent fairy tales. you probably one of em, i got em at my job, who knew americans were so nazi like?

[@Satherian]

I find that most interesting part of this is Twitter *admitting* that Nazi content is hateful and yet that stuff was allowed to exist.

[@hellomynameisrodney]

Musk even admitting that it takes someone to do something 'special' to game the algorithm admits cracks in that algorithm but won't take responsibility for those cracks. Instead he's real mad at someone for pointing out the cracks for the world to see.

[@oliver_twistor]

In university when studying for my computer engineering degree, I remember a teacher telling us that anything that is possible to do within the computer program or system you're building will eventually be done, so in order to prevent users from doing things you don't want them to do, you must make it impossible for them to do so. Musk thinks that the equivalent of a "Please don't search for racist stuff" warning message is prevention enough.

[@ContraVsGigi]

It is a deliberate action, not a "bug" what Twitter does. The greed is higher than moral in Elon's head.

[@revisit8480]

>inb4 "I left a post for the algo, keep it up!" :/ yeah, depends on who's gaming the algorithm huh? Imagine, if you will, an internet without algorithms and state intervention. An internet of freedom. Could a thing like this exist? Welcome to X-Factor. The answer to the previous question is: No. People are literal cattle who trample on their own rights, while trying to escape the big bad wolf, for whom they gladly give up their children. In this next case we are gonna investigate the mythical realm of Discord - a literal chinese spyware program, that gets your data... but that millions upon millions still use... stay with us, as we delve into this realm of child diddlers in furries.

[@Hunterreaper4444]

As time passes it gets harder and harder for Elon’s fans to prove Elon is a genius

[@yourwifesboyfriend6081]

Better to keep quiet and let everyone think you’re smart than to open your mouth and prove them wrong, or something like that.

[@RichardZERO]

@@yourwifesboyfriend6081 Takes one to know one!

[@brianthomas2434]

Won't stop them from trying.

[@brianfox771]

@@yourwifesboyfriend6081 I think it actually goes: "better to keep quiet and let everyone think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." I think it is a Mark Twain quote. But, yeah, with regard to Elon, your version makes more sense.

[@dylanzwick]

There really should be a federal anti-SLAPP law.

[@andrewcoyne4035]

But how would that work? You can't penalise people for bringing cases to court or threatening legal action. That's a real slippery slope. People with ligitimate legal standing could be threatened by a anti slapp law, which would be the height of irony.

[@razorburn645]

@@andrewcoyne4035 You don't seem to understand what frivolous means. If your case has merit the anti-slapp law has now effect. You really seem to want it to be legal to use lawyers as weapons against the poor.

[@Flexsan]

@@andrewcoyne4035 I get the feeling you don't know what anti-SLAPP laws are. The whole point is to prevent and punish illegitimate lawsuits.

[@andrewcoyne4035]

@razorburn645 no I know what frivolous means. I'm actually worried poor people would be punished by companies trying to use illegitimate anti slapp threats. But good jumping to conclusion there.

[@dylanzwick]

@@andrewcoyne4035 - You absolutely can penalize people for bringing cases to court. It happens all the time, in both state and federal court. If you'd like to know how a federal anti-SLAPP law might work, I'd first recommend checking out how they work in the many states that have them. Those would be a good starting point.

[@FoNgThOnG]

"And people will know that advertisers killed the company" I'm rooting for the advertisers at this point.

[@Goerge-lu3ok]

it reminds me of the bad guy in some movies who believes that he is actually doing the good thing. or some cases of domestic violence where the abuser says to the victim "look what you made me do,this is all because of you"

[@revisit8480]

"At least on KZbin there is no speech that can offend me in any way... I feel safe here... I hope my masters get rich."

[@diamondsmasher]

When you’re to the point you’re literally telling the advertisers, by name, to F-Off, is it the advertisers’ fault?

[@brenudo997]

@@diamondsmasher lol look, if we all pool our money together and pay for Twitter Blue or whatever it's called now, we can save the company from all the mean woke advertisers /s

[@__goat__]

​@revisit8480 You do realise that Musk is one of the richest people right? Why are you writing nonsensical comments here if there is "no speech"? Did the masters tell you to write this? Are you seeing them right now? Maybe you should see a doctor

[@auggie532]

elons life and reputation would be improved SO much if he just never posted and had an actual PR team 😭

[@utterlyviolet]

I'm sure he DOES have an actual PR team. Thing is, he probably doesn't listen to a word they say.

[@rfwillett2424]

I suspect he used to, and I think he had a someone who kept him out of trouble and from saying dumb things. He's obviously stopped listening.

[@AYVYN]

He wants to seem cool to the fringe internet wackos, but doesn’t realize that 99% of people are busy with obligations and real jobs.

[@Goerge-lu3ok]

@@rfwillett2424 i dont think so. i believe he was just more moderate. the constant cheers from his right wing echo chamber he built for himself are turning him more delusional and more radical by the day

[@whitesoxMLB]

@@AYVYN If you think 99% of folks are on your side, you may be in an echo chamber of your own.

[@Zookegger]

The fact that the investors haven’t filed a motion of no confidence in Elon yet is shocking.

[@pansepot1490]

Probably they have written it down as an inevitable loss. Patrick Boyle has made a video on Twitter financial situation. Did you see it? It’s excellent.

[@danielelkadi3499]

You clearly don’t follow Wall Street. Very common not the first person or not even the first time he got that. Yet his investors became the wealthiest relative to earnings within the last 10 years. Find another angle to hate.

[@jdotoz]

He owns 79% of it.

[@rfwillett2424]

the vast majority of them took the money and ran.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@danielelkadi3499 You clearly aren’t following the story, either. X-itter is a private company. It’s not a publicly traded company. The outside investors ponied up about $7 billion and Musk covered the rest. The OP is mistaken that the investors have a motion to file. They don’t understand the law, let alone financial law. Musk’s partners don’t have recourse to the SEC and it’s unlikely that a civil case would go anywhere if they thought they had a cause of action against Musk. The handful of individuals and funds that joined Musk to acquire Twitter have seen the value of their investment evaporate. “Musk has made a lot of money for his investors” is irrelevant to this story, because he and his partners are losing billions of dollars of value, and it shows up in financial statements and filings, such as Fidelity taking a write down on their investment. I don’t know if you’re a Musk family member or a Musk worshipper, but you need to find another angle to love.

[@SocksAndPuppets]

Question: Twitter's main defense here seems to be that Media Matters "only followed accounts known to post hateful content". If twitter says these accounts are "known for hateful content" why haven't they removed those accounts?

[@whitesoxMLB]

Because Musk is trying to re-brand Twitter as a pro-free speech platform, and banning accounts for posting content that other users disagree with would be inconsistent with that.

[@KonradTheWizzard]

... or blocked advertisements on those accounts to prevent the exact problem that those (paying!) advertisers complain about? Why don't their engineers do their job? Ohh, wait. They fired those engineers. They don't have a job.

[@blahchop]

Free speech and freedom of expression. Targeting an individual on the grounds of their beliefs can get you in a lot of trouble legally, but it's also just a moral quandary. Quoting from popular religious books could actually be perceived as hate speech. This'll probably take hundreds of years of squabbling and meandering about in the courts and communal conversations before it gets figured out by the masses.

[@whitesoxMLB]

@@blahchop Twitter faces no legal risk from censoring content it doesn't like. Not only does the First Amendment only prevent government (not private) censorship, but it's actually the main law protecting platforms' right to take down speech they disagree with so that they aren't compelled to support it. The US also has no law against hate speech. Of course, you could say that morally it's good for Twitter to promote free expression even if legally they don't have to, but that's a separate matter.

[@whitesoxMLB]

@CLLister I don't agree at all. I'm not too afraid of being exposed to outlandish conspiracies. Presumably you don't believe everything you hear. It's the ability of one entity (government or corporation) to designate what counts as a conspiracy that I'm more worried about.

[@CharlesBallowe]

The last thing any advertiser wants is a screen shot of their ad next to something they find offensive. That could be sex, violence, religion, politics, Nazis, etc. If you're offering an advertising platform and can't guarantee that won't happen, the advertisers will run away.

[@greywolf7577]

But wouldn't that mean that advertisers couldn't advertise on any social media? Even the most strict social media with the best monitoring software and thousands of moderators can't catch every bad comment. There's millions of comments. You are always going to get some that sneak through. It seems like a zero tolerance policy would be unrealistic here.

[@tOGGLEwAFFLES]

My personal favorite that I found was an ad for Carnival Cruises on a KZbin video about the sinking of the Costa Concordia, Costa Cruises being a subsidiary of Carnival.

[@satan9487]

​@@greywolf7577 you have just found the reason as to why most platforms are anti-nsfw. Except for twitter and reddit no one else allows nsfw

[@thehoodedteddy1335]

Musk’s lawsuit seems to think that the problem is that they made the ads appear next to the offensive content, instead of the problem that is being displayed that THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO MODERATE THE OFFENSIVE CONTENT

[@SingletonD]

Honestly at some point he is going to be as hard to represent in court as Trump. Its only matter of time.

[@geoffa87]

I mean he's another spoiled rich kid born on 3rd base thinking he hit a triple

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@geoffa87 Well, its not his time yet. If he doesnt try to do some stupid buisness with trump again ofc.

[@glynrh8892]

@@geoffa87oh I’m stealing that one!

[@chrispalmer7893]

It's oddly comforting that there is a point at which no amount of money can save you from your own idiocy...

[@JasonBoyce]

that's not likely to be true. he's filthy rich, so he has zero problem paying lawyers to say whatever stupid garbage he wants them to say trump is 1) unlikely to pay and 2) facing boatloads of criminal charges. he never had problems finding representation when it was all civil, but criminal lawyers don't play around

[@TheWolfHound7777]

Just remember folks, whenever you are feeling depressed or down just remember, there are literally people who defend Elon Musk online.

[@sticklera]

Why would you want to feel worse? 😅

[@korosuke1788]

Because he is a twitter-loving eftie. Musk has so much money he couldn't care less.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Dont remind me that my father thinks he is actually a good inventor etc

[@BobNinjaCat]

​@@elvingearmasterirma7241it always astounds me that people like your dad will worship people like Bill Gates or Elon Musk as some kind of genius who got a good hand in life. They're idea guys with tons of money. You, me, ANYONE could have pulled off the same with their money.

[@tricursor2481]

It's so sad how much he wants to be looked at as a hero, when he simply purchased the rights to be called a cofounder of tesla and hired extremely talented engineers at SpaceX and tesla, working them to the bone. The companies work in spite of Elon, not because of him. He purposely kneecapped their autopilot to cut back on cost (he says it was due to appearance of the car), thinking that simple rgb cameras with no depth perception would ever be as good as cars with lidar and radar. It's insanity to trust a tesla with human lives, even cars with lidar have issues but they are still miles safer than tesla's "solution".

[@jnewcomb]

We have GOT to stop allowing corporations and wealthy jerk faces from judge shopping. This is ridiculous.

[@whitesoxMLB]

Quote from the video you're currently commenting on: "Basically, because nothing happened in Texas, I would expect a motion to dismiss." Don't think that because lawsuits get filed in convenient districts all the time that courts just roll over and let them proceed. The courts already throw those sorts of cases out on the regular.

[@revisit8480]

Except if Twitter provides a safespace for me and shuts everybody else up, like it was before :(

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

​@@revisit8480I too cannot contemplate other people having feelings and existing in a place.

[@jnewcomb]

@@whitesoxMLB And it's a waste of judicial resources and time. Would you like to pay for this waste or prevent it happening all together? Plus, lest we forget "Judge" Kaczmaryk, they DO NOT ALWAYS get thrown out.

[@lococomrade3488]

​@@revisit8480 "shuts everybody else up." You mean: Restrict Hate Speech. Just admit yall want to be bigot racists, and let's be done with it.

[@JABoyle3875]

I cannot wait for the day when we don’t have to hear about the temper tantrums of an emotionally stunted man baby with skin thinner than a newborn.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

There seem to be quite a few of them these days.

[@petermoller8337]

Trump?

[@LuminousLead]

As long as world wide news exists, I don't think humanity will ever stop hearing from or about people like this.

[@penguinista]

Paradise at last!

[@Ramschat]

@@petermoller8337 Yeah, my thoughts exactly. This is the new reality now, we sadly have to get used to it because there's more of these megalomaniacs just waiting to get their time to whine.

[@amandamoore7512]

Am I understanding correctly that musks whole argument is that media matters isn’t actually a Nazi and therefore the fact they received Nazi ideology is their own faults and not twitters because it’s OK for Nazis to find Nazi content but not for non-Nazis to find Nazi content?

[@kg4wwn]

Not quite. Musk also alleges that Media Matters also sought out and followed the accounts of big advertisers, so that the advertisers' content would show beside the Nazi content. So Musk is stating that it is okay for a Nazi who loves Xfinity to see Nazi content next to Xfinity adds, but is implying that such a thing could never happen. To be fair to Musk, I am pretty sure that even Nazi's wouldn't stoop so low as to liking Xfinity.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

I'm pretty sure that's what he means by "no freedom of reach", yeah. Of course everyone seems to find those Nazis have a weird amount of reach still...

[@seedye]

That, or he’s arguing Nazis do not shop at non-Nazi establishments, so they should only see ads for Steve Bannon’s books and Chick-Fil-A, but then Media Matters had to ruin it for everyone by making the first account ever to follow both Nazis and Target. Unpossible to happen organically!1!11

[@CarissaNomadic]

Sounds right, pretty much

[@theoriginaltoast420]

"I like free speech, as long as your free speech isnt about me." ~Elon Musk, 2023

[@chartsky]

King Snowflake and his simping hordes....

[@a.w_.]

“I like free speech but if you dunk on me online I WILL ban you”

[@marylut6077]

Elon doesn’t understand, like many, that he means libel and slander. Free speech refers only to anti-government speech.

[@revisit8480]

"I like free speech, as long as your free speech isn't about me." - Any leftist ever

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

​@@a.w_.And sue you

[@Frostbite08]

Friendly reminder that "cis" is considered a slur by the "free speech absolutist". Make it make sense.

[@crowdemon_archives]

He's going to have a bad time if someone on Twitter decides to discuss about organic chemistry lmao

[@Frostbite08]

@@zvelekva That's incredibly easy to explain. It's a lie.

[@Frostbite08]

@@zvelekvaImagine that, a viewer of a KZbin channel about American law is American and is discussing American law. So weird 🤡 If you genuinely believe being in prison would be less bad than being "cancelled", you need therapy. You are lost.

[@cameronbreeze4029]

@@zvelekva Yeah, poor Elon, he's the real victim. In other news I live in England, have never heard of any law regarding this and when I search for the law you're referencing all I can find is a 2022 opinion saying the exact opposite. Would be interested if you could point me to the law you're referencing since it could genuinely affect my profession if it does exist.

[@shadeofsound23]

Easy. They use "trans" as a slur.

[@j-dubb614]

Musk attacking Media Matters' free speech, a company that was trying to highlight harmful speech and its effects, in a way specifically designed to avoid laws protecting free speech, to protect a company he bought specifically to "protect free speech", in an effort to protect said company from harmful speech made by the company that was specifically trying to highlight harmful speech on said platform, is so meta it breaks my brain.

[@disorganizedorg]

The specific complaint was that Media Matters used defective methodology that created results that were worse than what real people would experience in normal use. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is I think Media Matters needs to be held to account for dishonesty.

[@cmdraftbrn]

and its only tuesday

[@gladitsnotme]

🤯🥴💫

[@Juan_lauda]

Captain Kirk used this post to cause a paradox in an insane AI and save the universe in an episode from 1968.

[@margaretwordnerd5210]

@@Juan_lauda Kirk and Spock used the technique to incapacitate Mudd's robots, and in several other episodes. Apparently it doesn't work on humans with faulty programming. ✌🖖

[@sugoruyo]

Self-describing as a "chief twit" has to be the most accurate thing Musk has ever said.

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

So he bought a social media company, opened the doors to the absolute worst of humanity, then complained when it was pointed out that his choices had negative consequences.

[@fuilli]

"WAH WAH WAH, why do my actions have consequences?!" - Elon

[@nimajneb8897]

Elon: We are going pro freedom on twitter! Advertisers: We're gonna use our freedom to stop advertising on twitter Elon: no not like that

[@angryhands9564]

Kind of disappointing this video was as obviously slanted as it was. I like a lot of the content up to this point, but you’re obviously just trying to poke fun at the lawsuit instead of diving into why this doesn’t exist as libel or defamation, etc. Obviously statements made by them could be harmful to the business, so why not focus more on that then trying to demean Elon? I’m not even Elon‘s biggest fan, I feel pretty much nothing towards him, but this just feels like a biased or very opinionated video. But may be that’s what it was supposed to be is opinionated and less factual.

[@Bettersucksaul]

@@angryhands9564it’s still entertainment, not purely educational

[@Redactedlllllllllllll]

@@angryhands9564 Most of us have a slant against people who agree with hitler, and scaremonger about j00z and the death of the yt race, whats your slant dude? You gonna pretend to not have one?

[@IncertusetNescio]

"I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express." - XKCD

[@SS-gd3yg]

At a certain point I have to wonder if he's intentionally trying to make the company go bankrupt Probably giving him too much credit

[@meepk633]

If he wanted to bankrupt the company, he could just turn off all the servers. There are no hoops to jump through.

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

@@meepk633But then he couldn't blame it on someone else.

[@asdszf]

Elon Musk: "It's free speech UNTIL you use it against me."

[@weliveinasociety3324]

Yes that's how Nazis operate

[@Yumi_Jay]

Exactly. I don't get his deal.

[@macheadg5er]

But it is not free speech. You can't yell fire in theater unless there is a fire and what Media Matters did was start the fire so they could yell FIRE. That is NOT free speech.

[@revisit8480]

Twitter before Elon: "It's free speech UNTIL we decide it is not." Seem familiar?

[@CinJyxxe]

So here's my thing about this, and I hope any court of law would come to the same conclusion: if I buy a phone, and through a series of easily replicable button presses, I overload the battery and turn it into a potential explosive device. In that situation, regardless of who is legally at fault for the explosion, the phone company will still be legally required to recall that phone model and fix the problem once it is made clear that it is a problem with the phone model itself, not some kind of individual device flaw. Just because you have to go through a convoluted series of actions to expose a problem doesn't mean that problem doesn't exist. As dumb as he is, Elly-boy knows that. I'm guessing the only reason he doesn't take the much easier approach of fixing how ads work on his site is because he likes it the way it is.

[@TylerWardhaha]

And a journalist should be able to report on the issue.

[@littlebear274]

I was trained in dealing with safety calls when I worked for a phone manufacturer so I can confirm it's absolutely treated this way by the company. It *did not matter* if the customer created a safety issue by misusing a device. If there was any possibility that the phone could cause harm we had to investigate it and make sure the public wasn't at risk. I don't live in the US so I don't know what the law there says about it, but the company (which is based in California) sure as hell agreed.

[@aquaticborealis4877]

If Musk had simply made efforts to address the issue, then he would have avoided the advertiser fallout. But nope, he literally told them to go f@$# themselves in a public way, and is using the court system as a weapon. Literally the opposite of what a reasonable rational person would do.

[@utterlyviolet]

@CinJyxxe OR it's simply cheaper to bully journalists into not finding faults with Twitter.

[@revisit8480]

So here's my thing about Discord. If it's chinese spyware, that collects your data and every conversation you've ever had, then why aren't the feds getting involved in shutting down Discord? The only reason seems to be that... the feds like spying on the people. Imagine the internet without the censorship the way it is now - like an early 2000s version of the internet. Elon wouldn't exist, and I could call you the n-word constantly and laugh about it. Which one do you prefer? lmao

[@ewarwoowar9938]

I feel like Twitter essentially admitting that adverts can and do show up next to hate speech might be something of an issue for their case lol.

[@HeisenbergFam]

Elon looks like the guy who would uncontrollably laugh at a picture of dead deer in the pool

[@michaelfried3123]

He even looks like the sort of guy who would drown a deer til its dead in a pool...

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

Oddly specific

[@VioletOrbWeaver]

thanks for the massive throwback lol

[@jackhenry1899]

Tbf, that was a trip

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

@@VioletOrbWeaver is this a reference to something??

[@chrisdalton8221]

"A rat was found in KFC chicken" "Hey thats not fair! You went to the worst kfcs in the city and ordered 100 buckets from each like you were trying to find rats" Like the point isnt how uncommon it is, its the fact that it happened😂

[@Angels510]

As someone who never liked Elon even when for some reason he was the internet’s golden boy and would show up on shows like Rick and Morty, it’s really gratifying seeing him finally get the public revulsion he’s always deserved

[@Triple_J.1]

For what? Being mostly productive?

[@archkull]

i still hold it over my friend's head for arguing with me when I said Elon Musk was a piece of shit YEARS and YEARS ago lmfao.

[@ivandankob7112]

@@Triple_J.1doesn’t it look he made twitter more productive?

[@CMThota]

@@Triple_J.1 Sure on paper he's doing a lot. What he's actually doing is very malicious though

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@Triple_J.1 I know right? Elon Musk built those rockets with his own two hands! people just hatin' Anyway, I wish I didn't fall for it back when I was in college, it took me a few years to realize how much of a fraud and jackass Muskrat always was.

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

Sometimes I'm not so bitter that I had a relatively difficult life compared to billionaires because at least I was forced to grow up.

[@nenaaa1444]

Exactly

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

No kidding.

[@ThealmightyMatt]

"Free speech for me, not for thee" is the vibe I get from Elon

[@five-toedslothbear4051]

Exactly! When somebody makes these broad claims about “absolute free speech” you must always ask the question “for who, exactly?”

[@jerkchicken_expertlyseasoned]

That's how the entire Right functions. They demand free speech until they gain power, at which point they take free speech away from everyone but themselves. Paradox of tolerance: you can't extend the protections of democracy to people that seek to destroy democracy.

[@amy_grace]

What was your first clue?

[@unholysaint1987]

youre forgetting something... free speech does not mean freedom from consequences... too many people can just say something without being put in their place for it, and no i dont just mean violence, it could be as simple as calling out someone for being delusional... but its 2023 and feelings matter more than facts

[@Kwstr42]

its like failing a drivers test and complaining that the test giver was only focused on his errors its litteraly the whole point of the test to see if there is any problem at all lol

[@pansepot1490]

Or owning a restaurant and complaining that the health inspector searched every corner of the kitchen to find those two cockroaches and a little rat poo.

[@offbrandsoup2579]

His divorced dad energy is off the charts 😂

[@bil8647]

No wonder one of his children divorced themselves from him. Imagine having that narcissist for a dad.

[@SakuraNyan]

Musk's anti-trans stances *alone* should tank any claim that Twitter is even capable of a modicum of moderation. Famously him allowing anti-trans hate speech on Twitter (including well known slurs), while (checks notes) considering 'cis' and 'cisgender' to be slurs worthy of banning from the site. 10:11 The Streisand effect is out in force, I see.

[@Meghan-t4k]

First of all, Elon Musk only likes free speech when it's things that he agrees with. Second of all, ain't no one is ever going to call Twitter 'X'. Even the news media says "X-formerly Twitter" and never just X. Because X is just a letter of the alphabet! Third of all, I like "space Karen" and will call him that instead, good suggestion.

[@SynchroScore]

I rather enjoy "Phony Stark" myself.

[@Brasswatchman]

I've been going with "Xwitter" (mentally pronounced Zwitter) as a way of mocking the whole thing.

[@asterlyons8564]

The Website Formerly Known as Twitter

[@johnladuke6475]

@@asterlyons8564 I agree. It eventually got Prince to cut it out, that approach can work here too.

[@HepCatJack]

Some people have been calling it Xitter pronouncing it as shitter.

[@michaelhathorus4859]

Why do people defend and like Musk even after all his insanity? The dude is not nearly as "intelligent" or "genius" as he likes to think he is. IMO, he is Ego unchecked and he's hoping, craving really, that someone will finally and forcefully say "No" to him.

[@andyghkfilm2287]

Because he has money and (apparently) unrestrained success, and people (in the United States especially) have a fetish for success and for ‘hard work’. And because people still largely believe you can make Elon Musk amounts of money on their own with hard work.

[@JuFated]

I feel sometimes, it's just projection with a dash of denial. I feel these people find him cool and inspiring so put the muskrat on a pedestal. They think one day if they act like him, theyd be successful too, somehow. So they deem all his stupid embarrassing actions as Ws, just to deny the fact he's just a toddler that has ill gotten wealth.

[@Tagurrit]

@@andyghkfilm2287boy are you right on! That’s EXACTLY what I think! 😮

[@TheRogueWolf]

​@@andyghkfilm2287All you have to do is be smart enough to be born the son of a South African emerald magnate....

[@petergriffiinbirdistheword]

Those are the same people defending Trump and believing he's somehow a genius 😂 Don't try and make sense of it. Just laugh and enjoy being sane.

[@ChrisHendrickson82]

The fact that this was published three days before my civil procedure final makes me feel a special kind of happy.

[@scruffy-thejanitor]

Good luck on your final!

[@arealgoblin]

mad respect for calling it a delusion instead of a conspiracy theory

[@alexbelanger259]

Elon's tragedy is having billions in assets, the ego to match and no self awareness.

[@donaldwert7137]

I've wondered why he needs advertisers, anyway. With all those assets, he could just fund it himself.

[@phantomshadowfax5431]

youtube comments are the perfect example of no self awareness lol i dont even like Elon musk but thinking he isn't self aware is just stupidity

[@cmdraftbrn]

@@donaldwert7137 well according to his last rant. that would be blackmail. why would he hold himself hostage?

[@ElCalvazo]

​@@donaldwert7137Because the moment he starts selling his assets,mainly tesla stock, those will lose a shitton of value.

[@brandonrathbone3690]

@@phantomshadowfax5431 no, musk clearly ISNT self-aware. He thought it'd be so funny if he brought a random sink to Twitter HQ with him. It's stupidity to pretend he has self awareness

[@HardCodedGaming]

"Your Honor, the defendant is only telling people I buried that body in my backyard because they inorganically peeked over my fence."

[@razzakbane]

And just like with free speech, that's only a problem if it was the government that did it

[@Jasoneason132]

It shouldn't matter how they got the anti-Semitic tweets to show up, but rather the main concern should be that they were there at all.

[@bardoomguy]

It clearly matters, a lot. It is IMPOSSIBLE to perfectly moderate anything when you're dealing with such a platform. What matters is the extent to which it is shown.

[@icequeen52]

It's absolutely hilarious that Elon whines about people deadnaming Twitter when he deadnames his own kid. Tolerance is a social contract honey, if you can't use somebody else's preferred name, we aren't going to use the name you prefer for your company :P

[@frerkshow9874]

Good point

[@Montesama314]

This is the same logic I've used. He can't respect other people so we shouldn't respect his lame middle-school fantasy title.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Even he calls it Twitter in that "GFY" interview

[@willofdodge1]

What us deadnames?

[@APerson863]

​@willofdodge1 a deadname is typically used to refer to the birth name of someone who has since chosen a new name. A lot of trans people change their name as part of their transition, but it is not exclusive to that community obviously. Anyway it is very disrespectful to deliberately call someone by something other than what they want to be called.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

At least Mu sk has proved without a doubt we don't live in a meritocracy

[@3baxcb]

And there has never been anything resembling a meritocracy that wasn't conditioned by what came before it or had enough flaws and loopholes that could undermine its very ideas.

[@goldenvulture6818]

What exactly does meritocracy have to do with this video subject?

[@goldenvulture6818]

Elon's last name is spelled "Musk"

[@jlev1028]

​@@goldenvulture6818The fact that he got rich not by being smart or hardworking but by being lucky and having Daddy's money.

[@goldenvulture6818]

@@jlev1028 Luck(good or bad) is nothing but a goddamn myth

[@Daemonworks]

Ever notice how "free speech absolutist" basically always just means "fascist"?

[@KralTube2]

tfw you're so far left that free speech is far right

[@basiaszendrei1603]

So well said. 😂 Free speech is not about spewing insults and racist sh*t with no consequences. For them it’s to say outrageous things, not a debate.

[@WyvernYT]

Indeed. Ever notice how "free speech absolutist" basically means "my speech only, not yours"? Of course they're fascists.

[@AnimeShinigami13]

Just remember folks, free speech doesn't protect you from the consequences of being an idiot.

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

Nor does "Freedom of Opinion". A Death threat might be free speech, but not a viable opinion, or something you can be free to do without consequences.

[@jsgoyburu]

So... this opens Twitter's safety procedures to discovery, doesn't it?

[@marcus_w0]

The statement alone, that some "wants to watch hateful content" implies, that there is hateful content on the platform, that isn't moderated. So as long advertisers don't want to be implied with hateful content, they must stop advertising, because there's no way around it in the current state of Twitter/X

[@jeniferbox8259]

Yes! Thank you for still calling it Twitter 😂 He's an idiot for trying to change it and everyone should just say no

[@vercoda9997]

Absolutely Nobody anywhere calls it X. They do - but any and every article around the planet that calls it X immediately follows it with "(formerly known as Twitter)", which underscores that absolutely nobody, anywhere, has stopped calling it Twitter. If it survives the next year or 5, Everybody will still be calling it Twitter. Nobody anywhere has changed the blue Tweet symbol on their adverts or advertising. Nobody is supporting that lunatic's disastrous brand destruction.

[@madcow3417]

It's been 5 months and I have yet to see a news article that calls it 'X', it's always "X, the company formerly known as twitter".

[@hardboiledmahoney3273]

Just call it X-crement.

[@jamescampbell1388]

Sadly I’ve seen some big name media outlets ocasionally call it X

[@adamb89]

@@hardboiledmahoney3273 Yeah I call them "Xcretions" instead of "tweets", although I still refer to it as Twatter.

[@jackbeach942]

I swear these days the bad guys from Scooby-Doo would sue the main characters for business disparagement😂

[@michaelday6987]

Side note. Twitter allows Community Added Context notes on ads. Including calling out game ads for misleading content. Good for us. Bad for the bottom line of Twitter, I'm sure.

[@rossbt041]

It's baffling that community notes are still a thing under Musk's reign. Maybe he possesses some shred of self-awareness that removing the feature would look bad for his "free speech platform" grift. Maybe he's trying to come up with a way to rig or neuter or even delete the feature with some nonsense excuse, and he can't execute it because he fired all of the developers who knew what they were doing. Maybe he has a humiliation fetish. Maybe some or all of the above.

[@andrasbiro3007]

@@rossbt041 FYI he championed that feature, and it's the one he's most proud of. Let's see how your brain will reconcile this information with your blind hate.

[@melandor0]

​@@andrasbiro3007Community notes was first launched under former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey in 2021 as a way to debunk misleading tweets. Musk bought Twitter on October 2022. What are you, completely delusional?

[@SorowFame]

@@andrasbiro3007if that really was an addition by Musk, which I kind of doubt already but whatever, then it makes sense he’d be most proud of it, it’s literally the only good thing I’ve heard about Twitter since he bought it. Might be the only thing coming from Musk that’s sounded like a good and practical idea.

[@melandor0]

@@SorowFame Musk did not create it, he only rebranded it, it was previously known as Birdwatch. There's still a post up about it from 2021 on the twitter blog.

[@Omnipharius]

Tough thing about being a dunning Kruger sufferer and rich, you don't really feel the consequences of making bad decisions right away and the wrong lessons are learned.. like discipling a dog when they peed in the house hours ago, the lesson won't be aligned with correcting behavior, but rather grow resentment toward those that do the disciplining.. I really hope Elon turns things around and.. you know, stops being malignantly incompetent and hateful.. just my two cents.

[@tiseril]

"I love free speech..... except when it's used against me"

[@Agnemons]

Freedom of speech does not equate to freedom from consequences. You should be able to say what you want. Yuo should also face the consequences for saying things that are not factual

[@revisit8480]

"I love free speech... except when it's used against me" -the previous owners of Twitter, shortly after banning anyone who is a bit too free

[@fantomp1773]

"By repeated scrolling and refreshing until they found what they wanted to find" sounds exactly like the organic twitter experience honestly.

[@eattherich9215]

The public unravelling of Musk is like a pile up on the motorway. You know it's ghoulish to look, but you can't tear your eyes away.

[@NorthstarSystem]

it's not ghoulish to look, it's more like some kind of corporate empire is falling, and the entire time we watch the empire fall, we get a live emperor reaction. the only ghoulish thing in what is happening is really just the person in charge making every bad choice.

[@archigoel]

@@NorthstarSystem 😄 Who's empire is falling? Space X? Tesla? Maybe u should check their share price and market share again.

[@kunicrossgaming]

I think it's the same as with putin and Trump - he's just sharing his true face more public. I found some very Elon critical youtubers a bit wack (kinda still do) but he did about everything to prove them right in the last years.

[@callumprice1710]

​@@archigoelmaybe you should check again. Twitter got bought at like 44 billion, and now its worth less than half that.

[@Bacteriophagebs]

It's more like watching a drunk who just punched you in the face for taking away their car keys get into their car and immediately crash into a lamp post. Then get out and walk into the lamp post. Repeatedly. At least, that's how it is for those of us who have been telling everyone that Musk is nothing but a con man for the better part of last decade.

[@googamp32]

I'm a simple man. I see a video dunking on Elon Musk's idiocy, I click.

[@ross-carlson]

Right there with you my friend.

[@_cloudface_]

​@@roryregina😂 I was about to suggest that 😅

[@ArDeeMee]

Simple woman here. Same.

[@annphillips1086]

I'm a somewhat complicated and capricious woman, but I do the same. Some things cannot be passed by.

[@pakeshde7518]

How can he sue when HE himself screamed * bleep off* more then once to his advertisers to leave?. I mean does that not just nuke his own themonuclear lawsuit?.

[@3baxcb]

Safe to say, he wasn't thinking when deciding to bite the many hands that feed his multimillion dollar purchase of a social media platform that has been losing billowing of dollars.

[@pansepot1490]

Without considering the innumerable inappropriate Twits he himself has liked/retweeted. Can’t sue people for saying that your yard stinks when you are storing manure in it.

[@3baxcb]

@@pansepot1490 Manure doesn't deserve any comparisons to Elon's latest antics.

[@wmdkitty]

@@3baxcbAgree. Manure is actually useful.

[@SineN0mine3]

I appreciate how you just call it Twitter, instead of calling it "X, the platform formely known as Twitter" like some presenters. If we all just keep calling it twitter they'll have to come up with a proper name for it or just change it back.

[@chmarr]

twitter unbanned my account the following day elon said his anti-semetic rants, the actual email did state from a member of staff read "due to the actions of the owner of x . twitter, we have deemed your suspention unfair on you", all i said in the tweet that got me banned was "elon should go for a long walk off a short pier into a car shredder"

[@scotts918]

Twitter: tHeY mAnIpUlAtEd tHe aLGoRiThM Advertisers: We don't care, that it can happen in *any* circumstances is enough to say Bye Felicia 👋🏼

[@ASLTheatre]

Anyone else remember when KZbin had a similar problem. People would post uncouth videos and companies didn’t like their adds played right along them. So when companies complained they simply demonetized any offensive videos.

[@revisit8480]

Remember how that still happens?

[@KaldironTheWise]

i find it rather frustrating with twitter not holding the hateful and troll posts responsible no matter how many times i report them its always somehow not violating their terms of abuse [rolls eyes]

[@Enterprise1701J]

Twitter’s lawyers should sue their own owner for business disparagement.

[@chrispalmer7893]

I wonder how long it is before someone defends themselves against a Musk lawsuit by pointing out that it's impossible to do more to damage the Twitter brand and business than Musk already has?

[@andrewcoyne4035]

Good thing he out right bought the company, or that would be a real concern.

[@chrispalmer7893]

@@andrewcoyne4035 Given that he's suing the law firm who couldn't get him out of the deal, I'd say Musk doesn't agree with you that it's a good thing that he bought the company. But then again, maybe he's so desperate to be noticed that he's even happy with being the guy on the wrong end of the worse commercial deal in history...

[@AndySamK]

@@andrewcoyne4035 Nah, but did he really buy it? like Yes he paid the 44 Billion, but he loaned money (13 billion) from Bank of America, Morgan Stanley and Barclays. So if he cant pay them back when Twitter fails then they will probably take Musks share in Tesla to pay for it. Which means it could result in Musk not only losing Twitter but also Tesla.

[@Enterprise1701J]

@@andrewcoyne4035 I’m sure American lawyers could find a way; y’all seem to be able to disappear up your own a$$holes if it makes a buck.

[@Montesama314]

Money can buy good press, but it doesn't mean you EARN respect, especially after you lose it.

[@revisit8480]

Money bought Twitter though. And Twitter only had respect with left-wing bootlickers who obey rich advertisers and big tech. I just laugh at both sides really. It's funny. I never used Twitter, at all, and I still find it amusing how much seething it produces now. "Noooooooo, you can't just do whatever you want to your platform! That's what people do that I like!"

[@cromefire_]

Also he can't just promote hate speech on Twitter as it's a global company. You can't really get away with not moderating at all in counties in Germany.