How Trump (Allegedly) Tried to Steal the Election

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[@LegalEagle]

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[@jaRED0526]

The good doctor Season 6 episode 16. "The Good Lawyer"

[@demiller74]

Do one on you know who and how he filled out Form 4473.

[@danielgodfrey4415]

Bidens corruption

[@silverlucoris4666]

Cover the law regarding the selection of jurors because we all know that there are going to be delay tactics and requests for new trails based on the idea of a tainted jury pool.

[@eevee6005]

Sovereign citizens….I came across that term in a book, looked it up….and I really don’t understand.

[@Captain_Pudding]

It's honestly amazing how well they documented their coup attempt

[@tubruton]

That's why smart criminals keep a low profile.

[@hunting69doehle62]

Not only did they document all that happened behind the scenes, they even documented that they knew that what they did was illegal. You would think that once you send an "alternative" set of electors to go through with the coup, you would at least have the credible-deniability-presence-of-mind to not call these people internally "fake electors", but they did.

[@frankcooke1692]

Don't write down your crimes hey. Don't involve others in your crimes. Don't tell anyone about your crimes. I wouldn't be surprised if his Google search history contains the phrase "how to illegally interfere in an election". As we know from True Crime channels - criminals ALWAYS Google their crimes.

[@erisgh0sted961]

Remember when we told people there's no underlying conspiracy of a bunch of people to do *whatever*? This is why, because that many people, can't keep their mouths shut. But Trump supporters will say, Trump got caught doing "nothing wrong", BUT that "Brainless Joe Biden" has some sort of massive conspiracy that include over 1400 court cases, and hundreds of different judges, lawyers, DOJ officials, and a bunch of democratic politicians. Yet they can't find one single solid piece of evidence. So Biden is both barely conscious, but also so much of a criminal mastermind that he's managed to have Thousands and thousands of republicans, Democrats, indipendants, judges, doctors, lawyers, cops, FBI agents, reporters, and who knows what else, and no one has provided a single shred of evidence. 😂

[@iapetusmccool]

"Video-taping this crime spree was the best idea ever!"

[@stevenneiman1554]

The thing that's terrifying about this to me is the public response compared to Nixon. Nobody, including Nixon himself, considered it controversial that he should be a political pariah after what he did, and he did a lot less than Trump. The fact that Trump is willing to claim that this is a partisan witch hunt and have a substantial number of people actually believe him is a terrifying sign that America is getting worse.

[@kitefan1]

I agree. Nixon did break laws and use government to get things he wanted. In his resignation speech Nixon "resigned for the good of the country" The world has changed. People have "Hey Google" and "Hey Siri" in their house and phones. I'm not sure how much the mind set on what is privacy has shifted.

[@thatjillgirl]

Agreed. Nixon at least had the decency to resign when he was caught, and the party had the decency to disavow him. There are way too many people who are not only totally willing to pretend Trump didn't get caught but, even worse, to pretend that there was nothing wrong with what he did. It's staggering.

[@TheNewton]

​@@thatjillgirl Decency doesn't keep backwards fascists in power when they cannot win through sanity, reason, policy or democratic means.

[@thatjillgirl]

@@TheNewton I didn't say it did? I'm not sure what statement you're arguing with exactly.

[@stevenneiman1554]

@@thatjillgirl I think he(?) was agreeing with you, though with a kind of confrontational wording.

[@Alan_Duval]

I would argue that the Defendant calling Pence "too honest" was also an admission that he knew what the truth was.

[@julianyc422]

Pence is Not honest, too honest and it's coming from a professional liar

[@tracyscanlon6142]

That would matter if it was a free speech case. It’s not. If you were crazy and thought you could rob a bank legally it would still be a crime whether you thought it was true or not.

[@Alan_Duval]

@@tracyscanlon6142 Yea, coz _mens rea_ has never been important outside free speech cases.

[@coryzilligen790]

@@tracyscanlon6142 It's still relevant, because it's further evidence that Trump has been lying about the whole thing. If absolutely nothing else, it's a strong data point that could help jurors to reach a decision.

[@AaronWoodburn]

it's an effective admission of guilt.

[@grayice]

The thought that this woman is scared to order FOOD is insane. This woman lived through a lot in her lifetime but i bet she never thought doing her civic duty would keep her from being able to eat!

[@giovannisantostasi9615]

Why she is not suing Trump? It is the definition of defamation.

[@dylkiller3501]

​@@giovannisantostasi9615Attorneys fees and the amount of time it takes to win a case like that when he's already in so much other deep crap.

[@giovannisantostasi9615]

@@dylkiller3501 maybe some lawyers could offer free services just for the fame of being involved, also defamation has monetary compensation that could be given partially to the lawyer. Probably she is scared of possible consequences from crazy Trump supporters.

[@jonbui4092]

​@@giovannisantostasi9615likely waiting for the criminal proceedings to finish so a civil trial lawyer can use the findings, which are a matter of public records, to be admitted. Saves time and money since they won't have to re-prove everything.

[@edonslow1456]

​​@@giovannisantostasi9615she was already being threatened by the Trump mafia. The safest thing for her to do would be to lie low until they and Trump move on to their next target. Most people will put their family safety and comfort ahead of taking on monsters like that, and it's a reasonable position to take.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

The idea that Giuliani might have accidentally texted the wrong person about his conspiracy plans is hilarious.

[@zombieoverlord5173]

And probably true considering his competence

[@SomeUniqueHandle]

He drunk dialed or texted a newspaper reporter at least once and accidentally gave them some juicy info.

[@shevek2954]

Don't drink and conive.

[@julietfischer5056]

Well, this _is_ the bunch that booked a press conference at a lawn and garden center because someone didn't read the full name of the place.

[@akumabito2008]

Four Seasons Landscaping levels of hillarious.

[@lknanml]

We SERIOUSLY need a presidential (ex) conviction on the books so all of this "there is no precedent" BS can stop. It will be a warning to future leaders. We will not stand for this unprofessional and criminal behavior. That guy is the WORST political influencer in US history.

[@NathanHoover-qo5fx]

Sure, so long as you agree that when Biden family when Biden gets out of office and we arrest 90% of congress when they leave office. Including republicans. Welcome to the next Banana Republic. Legal Eagle has gotten pretty partisan. I mean look at Disney now vs his statement about how Disney tricked Desantis... when Desantis so far has been winning in court yet not a peep from LE.

[@blazermettro2059]

True. I really hope he doesn't get the chance to run next election.

[@Thisandthat8908]

Just imagine, Trump had the military supporting him and not staying strictly neutral... He could have pulled it off, like in a banana republic. There is a shocking lack of safety measures in place in the US. They just trust to be always lucky. Just because nobody expected G.Washington to be a dick, doesn't mean you can yolo the whole process for all time. Even the whole impeachement thing, which was supposed to be one, clearly doesn't work. I remember reading, who knows how true, the new administration being in contact with the military to prevent Trump doing something stupid last moment.

[@ellicel]

Him and the rest of the conspirators. Whatever punishment they get should be enough for nobody to ever risk helping with another coup. If not, then whatever "protections" exist in the law are just smoke and mirrors

[@DB-cm1mu]

Exactly. If there’s no serious consequences, it’s only a matter of time until somebody tries it again, and they only have to succeed once.

[@auldfouter8661]

Pence says Trump called him " too honest" and Trump now says that he never did call him that. Who should we believe? I mean Trump only told 30,000 lies while in office so I guess it's a close call.

[@snow24121]

Of course we should believe the honest guy!

[@odinfromcentr2]

Only 30,000?

[@chrisbammer4946]

If you count hyperbole as lies then Trump only told 20,000 and you just lied to everyone with your original post. Why did you tell a lie? Are you a liar?

[@tubruton]

I'm guessing Donny is the liar since he recently correctly answered his age and name in court. That used up his whole year for saying anything truthful.

[@richmanifesto1090]

It's been that mad magazine cartoon from the 90s for the last 8 years. Do you believe Trump when he's bragging on TV about how wealthy he is or when he's crying to his creditors about how poor he is?

[@StealthyDead]

The worst part, in my opinion, is that even with the most incompetent and blatant attempt at this, it wasn't far from working. And there is DEFINITELY someone out there who saw this all play out, who is more intelligent and cunning, thinking, "I can work with that."

[@JackFoxtrotEDM]

What about that one guy, Ron Desantis?

[@autismpete]

​@JackFoxtrotEDM actually he's trying to bow out of his lawsuit with Disney because he knows Mickey's about to bend him over and go in dry.

[@kathleenrobertpogue6818]

@@autismpete what a multi billion dollar corporation is taking on an individual and its not going so well for that individual. Guess that mean the individual is wrong and the billion dollar company with a history of racism and homophobia is right. Not to mention all of the fantastic block buster movies they have been putting out.

[@TitaniumDragon]

@@kathleenrobertpogue6818 He went after Disney because Disney publicly criticized a law. That's a very blatant violation of the first amendment. DeSantis should be in prison.

[@yakuza01]

@@kathleenrobertpogue6818 well, nobody is saying that people at Disney are saints but the reasons you listed (not sure how making mediocre movies have any legal bearing on anything) are not what Meatball went after Disney for.

[@ttimlake]

Being deemed "Too Honest" by Donald Trump is not a very high hurdle. Not even speedbump height.

[@wayneswonderarium]

That bar is so low you can't even trip over it 😅

[@ElroyMcDuff]

@@wayneswonderarium 😋

[@RealRexRiplash]

​@wayneswonderarium So low that somebody in China's gotta duck under it though...

[@shadowldrago]

@@RealRexRiplashI think Satan is using the bar for limbo. Not sure why, but I guess even he needs hobbies.

[@CollinMcLean]

The bar is so low that if it were the sea level the Earth would by 90% land...

[@redhednitemare]

I love that people I work with believe all of trumps B.S. I keep telling them "what's more likely, that ALL OF AMERICA conspired against Trump, or a rich man who's gotten his way all of his life finally lost something and isn't gonna go down without kicking and screaming?"

[@ryry9780]

And how did they react?

[@Secret_Moon]

@@ryry9780 You know how they would react.

[@blakksheep736]

How did they take it?

[@Brasswatchman]

They don't believe his BS. They deliberately buy into it -- which is frankly much worse.

[@chrisbammer4946]

It's not a conspiracy it's a "stand alone complex"

[@kray97]

This conspiracy was no secret, we watched most of it unfold before our eyes. What's amazing is that we are here 2.5 years later finally holding someone to account for it.

[@nancyjay790]

I could be wrong, but I think most of the Department of Justice and possibly even Joe Biden were extremely reluctant to build a case against a former President. To even start, they wanted a lot of evidence, both from witnesses and in more forensic form. This was complicated by the revelations of what Trump decided he was entitled to take when he left the White House, from classified documents to antiquities that had been loaned by Israel. Biden and the Department of Justice wanted to protect themselves as much as possible from the inevitable and entirely predictable accusations of political bias and campaign interference. Trump had already accused the Obama administration of interfering with his 2016 campaign when an investigation started into Russian interference in that election.

[@deanromanado5850]

That's what happens when every subpoena is appealed. Now that they have all been exhausted, the charges are issued.

[@rohdri]

Never would have happened either if he'd kept his mouth shut about the FBI raid on his property. Or just returned the documents they subpoenaed. His broadcasting it like he did made it impossible to ignore and let slide.

[@LiteraryCurtastrophe]

Hold on, indictments aren't convictions, it's probably too early to say "finally holding someone to account" just yet, right?

[@GummyDinosaursify]

People still 100% believe Trump and everything he says. He could nuke the entire state of California, say he did it because the "radical left" and people would still vote for him.

[@acharliebrownlife]

“That’s why there’s an insurrection act” sent actual chills down my spine when I read it. They were really ready to set off a thousand Kent States.

[@MutteringCondolences]

Yup, and it would constitute Conspiracy to Murder, which carries a federal sentence of life and carries the Death Penalty in numerous states.

[@MrClickity]

That line should be front page news. They were literally planning on imposing martial law.

[@TheNN]

@@MrClickity Don't you mean Marshall Law?

[@jlev1028]

​​@@TheNNNo, that's the name of a British comic series.

[@alexrogers777]

Yeah, anyone who still (somehow) has any doubts whether these people are fascists just hasn't heard that quote. Illegally seizing power and then using the military to oppress any citizen dissent is textbook dictator behavior

[@trainsplanesandotherthings5187]

Basically this is what dictators do, replace those in high levels of office with their own yes men to control that office.

[@matteframe]

Imagine all the judges trump appointed. He still has deep protection.

[@gregbors8364]

@@matteframeObama appointed the judge presiding over the DC case

[@xathridtech727]

Well at least there weren't any tragic accidents

[@Jay_Frank]

@@gregbors8364 Obama didn't attempt to overturn an election.

[@gregbors8364]

@@Jay_Frank That’s true - how does it relate to my comment?

[@NybergCarl]

The attacks against specific election workers is something the law should protect against.

[@PoppaCYS]

The sad thing is this has never been an issue until Trump. It's just depraved to turn innocent women into the target of conspiracists.

[@ktheshow4391]

It's suppose to. But when the one committing those offenses is the one leading the country they look the other way. They shouldn't, but they do. When you put some people above the law, the people suffer for it, and the law does as well in the long term.

[@h2ojr1]

Protection from the president attacking your character? I guess we never thought we would or should need that.

[@559bman]

Seems slanderous.

[@HollyOak]

How would that have stopped him doing it? There are other laws in place that he broke anyway.

[@emp9413]

Also I can't believe that the sniveling, cowardly Pence was the ONLY Republican that had a backbone.

[@Chuckakhan]

The oedipus complex saved the republic when he refused to do trumps bidding that one time

[@alexthewrecker4666]

Once in a lifetime pence W

[@Chuckakhan]

@@alexthewrecker4666 there’s a reason I call him the oedipus complex

[@randyorr9443]

Pence was just barely smart enough to bail out and not go down with the Trump ship.

[@o0Evo0o]

tbf some of them (ie most of the ones with positions other than "Trump's lawyer") had at least half of one, where they refused to *do* the corrupt thing but also stayed quiet about Trump trying to do the corrupt thing

[@MichaelSiegel14]

I keep circling back to him lying about what other people were saying. Not just "I think the election was stolen". But telling state legislature that the DOJ had told him it was stolen when they hadn't. That's where you don't have to prove what he believed.

[@Vastin]

Exactly, many of his lies were much more blatant and upfront than simply 'believing' the election was stolen or not.

[@NonniMcMac]

In the same vein, why lie about it at all? If Trump truly believed he won, why didn't he call an attorney and take the issue to court? The guy sues everyone and everything. Why didn't he go to his acting AG with this? Why cook up schemes, like the fake certificates, behind the scenes? There was no transparency. Trump was trying to force something to which he was not entitled because he knew he didn't have a leg to stand on.

[@iiiduncaniii]

Where is the proof the election was 100% legit? Can you show me where i could find information that proves that all votes were legit and not fraudulent? Or that at least 99% of the counted ballots were legit?

[@0lyge0]

"You're too honest" is trumps opinion of everyone who isn't trump. Mike Pence trying to capitalize on being called too honest by a serial/compulsive liar is just pathetically sad.

[@ahfreebird]

"just pathetically sad" That was implied by simply referencing Pence, no?

[@thebatman6201]

I like your profile pic

[@rebeccarebeccaa2515]

I like that. Pence is trying to capitalize on trump's "you're too honest" moniker. It makes sense

[@0lyge0]

@@ahfreebird That is a pretty good summation of him.

[@FTZPLTC]

I don't know, I thought it was pretty funny.

[@asianguy6174]

He knew damn well what was doing when he told a violent paramilitary group to stand back and stand by and when he told a mob he knew was armed, firearms or not, to fight like hell and take back their country, AKA aiding a rebellion.

[@garrettgravley]

Personally, I love that Trump can't keep his mouth shut, and I welcome his continual deluge of incriminating speech

[@MijmerMopper]

Would his inaugural speech be admissible in court?

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

I mean, we are talking about a huge Narcissist that can't stop singing praises about himself.... Remember when he even said his hands were beautiful as if that had anything to do with politics?

[@Ivarr.Bergmann.Alaska]

Because "They got him this time"? The "Walls are closing in"?😆😆😆😆😆😆 Here's a helpful quote for you.. “It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.”

[@lordraydens]

@@DarkFrozenDepths They look like big, good, strong hands, don't they?

[@NeutralGloomBot]

I would love it if he actually got held accountable for it but that never happens. If any of us threatened the DOJ, a judge, a DA, or incited our base to threaten or attack all three, we would be held indefinitely without bail until trial. He gets keep doing exactly what he is facing indictments for. Inciting violence and lying endlessly about a stolen election that never was stolen. Its one of the moments where all we need right now is for our criminal justice system to have the balls to put him in cuffs and drag him off to jail. Today. We don't have that tho. They fear him and his base and that pisses me off. if I was heading the DOJ, Trump would have been held in jail for years already. One dangerousness hearing would do it. There are mountains of evidence that he is both a flight risk and cannot stop inciting violence. That is more than enough but no one will do it. Its infuriating. I feel like if he doesn't go to jail for any of these crimes, it may be time for a different brand of justice. Sick to death of the two tiered system where the rich and powerful get away with everything and the rest of us can get killed for holding a phone.

[@Venomater2012]

If this does not disqualify someone from public office of any kind or call for someone to go to jail we have no justice system.

[@JackFoxtrotEDM]

Let's be real here, I didn't really think there was much of a justice system to begin with. If the average citizen did even just one of Trump's things then they'd get life in prison in a heartbeat. Meanwhile years later we're no closer to jailing Trump than we were from the start.

[@TimeBomb014X]

​@@JackFoxtrotEDMyour right and wrong, if one of these indictme ts hit a regular person they eould be jailed, but also Trump isnt in jail because he has not done anything actionable and this is politcal presecution by a party looking to remove the Republican front runner

[@JackFoxtrotEDM]

@@TimeBomb014X Are you a lawyer?

[@TimeBomb014X]

@@JackFoxtrotEDM wouldnt matter if I was or not, you'd disagree with me regardless. I aint, butnit dont take a laywer to believe something stinks on denver when if they had all this evidence all this time they waited when Trump was the Republican front runner to hit him with these indictments.

[@AdmiralKarelia]

@@TimeBomb014X Trump isn't in jail because his trials haven't taken place. Think critically for a moment... if this really was a witch hunt to throw the GOP into chaos in the election, don't you think they'd wait and try him after he wins the primary? If they take him out early enough, someone is going to scoop up all that support.

[@StoneUSA]

I read the indictment front to back as I did with the documents case and again I'm blown away. Trump's entire defense hangs on 'Free Speech' to speak out and be heard. But while you can say just about anything you like, you cannot independently act on those beliefs in ways that attempts to interfere, harass or intimidate. Smith and his team have clearly and very methodically laid out those actions in context with the protected speech of Trump and his co-conspirators. So there is going to be no confusion by any reasonable jury on where the free speech ends and where the crime begins. Every time Trump's counsel makes the free speech argument Smith's team is going to clarify.

[@penguinista]

Cliff notes for above comment: Trump is screwed.

[@thelucktroll8334]

If we are going to follow the standard set in your comment, can we prosecute the senators who investigated and falsely claimed that Trump won in 2016 due to 'Russian Interference'?

[@yawningsoldier7675]

@@thelucktroll8334 Seeing as the investigations concluded that the Russia did indeed interfere in the US election, Trump team would need to somehow prove that they didn't benefit from it.

[@solarizedtrippin]

@@thelucktroll8334bro, we literally know Russia interfered with the election, the only thing unproven was if Trump knew about it and if there was any collusion, so then Trump was never charged! There is absolutely zero parallels you can draw between that and this.

[@savory_bacon]

@@thelucktroll8334 Only if you can produce sufficient evidence to show that these senators took real, concrete action to keep Trump from office and Obama in office past Jan. 2017, like how there is a large supply of evidence showing that Trump and his co-conspirators acted to keep him in office and Biden out of office in 2021. Luckily they failed. Hope this helps :)

[@shenencalhar]

"They took Pence to a place where he could never be found, presumably a room with a woman in it." Savage, Devinn. Well done. On a more serious note, maybe you could do a video on the American Bar Association and what might be done to hold these attorneys accountable for ethical violations instead of waiting for the Justice Department to criminally indict them?

[@JohnDoe-jh5yr]

I've heard/read the story numerous times, but it never fails to astound the audacity of the plot.

[@HVACSoldier]

They’re politicians, or politically connected. Audacity is a requirement, NOT a “bug,” in the system. The problem IS the Republicans thought it would work, this time, even though when Democrat politicians tried to spread similar rumors, it utterly failed.

[@gregbors8364]

⁠​⁠@@HVACSoldier”when Democrat politicians tried to spread similar rumors…” What are you talking about?

[@xathridtech727]

​@@gregbors8364if I'm assuming correctly it's probably all the not my president stuff from 2016. But huge point to both sides it doesn't actually matter on who won the popular vote it's up to the electoral college

[@gregbors8364]

@@xathridtech727 Some people said “Trump is not my President” when he was in office, but nobody tried to overturn the 2016 election result and install Hillary into office. Pretty big difference there

[@ThePandafriend]

A book with a story like that would probably be criticized for the story being too far-fetched.

[@JackFoxtrotEDM]

I love getting called a sheep by the people who LITERALLY FOLLOW A CULT.

[@melissaverdoni845]

the IRONY

[@kjaxthegrate]

Like the Stalin or Hilter cults of personality.....

[@FrostReave]

What I’m most annoyed about is the fact that this cult is headed by a guy with zero charisma. Like there are a lot of tyrants in history who ruled with blood but at least they were good at it.

[@FrostReave]

@@kjaxthegrateHitler didn’t run a cult. The people cheered him on because they were starving paying for war reparations from WW1 and he promised to free them from that bondage. The racism wasn’t apparent early on

[@JackFoxtrotEDM]

@@FrostReave Yeah exactly. Most cults have some level of competence, but certainly not this one.

[@niIIer1]

Maybe I am being overdramatic. But the US needs all the lawyers like you they can have. As a Danish person, US potentially going Authoritarian and ignoring laws and freedom would have massive ramifications for the entire world. This goes really deep, and it is scary to see how many Americans(and other nationalities as well) are willing to support legit fascists like they are today. Democracy is the only way to go and we need to protect it.

[@NewNecro]

A grim reminder that democracy may be undermined on a whim.

[@newb431]

We’re not a democracy

[@Sam16mee]

I don’t think we are out of hot water yet.

[@shiniblackrose]

Democracy needs to win every time. Facists only need to win once.

[@Gamer3427]

The sad part is that true democracy hasn't ever really existed ever since the electoral college was established, since they have the power to flat out ignore the popular vote if those individuals choose to do so, (which has happened, albeit uncommonly). It also makes it much easier for potential manipulation to happen, as was attempted here.

[@cortneybrown2257]

It's insane to me how they keep saying there "is no precedent" while wringing their hands and shrugging instead of USING THIS TO SET THAT PRECEDENT

[@Zalzany]

That is what they are doing... They got create this as they go, but there is no precident so the JUDGES got sort this out as it goes on. Its their call its their courtroom at this point they decide if guilty what happens. DOJ has to come up with options so does marshalls though for storing him in prison though. And since this was never done before they got a ton of red tape to sort out. It doesn't mean they can't do it, just means they but disclaimer out. As they might just put his ass under house arrest for 20 years, and strip his right to run, because they can't figure out in time how to do prison. They have to do that till they can build a presidential suite to a prison for him as well lol. Again this all new for USA. I mean other countries done this but first time is always the craziest. I mean one guy in Brazil got his own floor in a prison he had built to himself, where he lived quite nice. Another house arrest, in South Korea they put them in same prison as every one else. Its all crazy right now it same with arresting him I am sure they got sort out how to do it and hold him if judge decideds to put him in jail if he keeps acting up.

[@LeCrenn]

Amen.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

​​@@Zalzany there are plenty of adequate accomodations in Gitmo... Or, they could reactivate Alcatraz...

[@LeafHuntress]

It's only unprecedented in the USA. Elsewhere people have succeeded in sending criminal former presidents to jail, like France with Sarkozy. Also there would already be precedents if Nixon & his first VP had been convicted. Unfortunately they got pardoned & a slap on the wrist instead...

[@chrisbeer5685]

Or just realizing there's also no precedent for Trump's crimes.

[@robertnelson4460]

We finally saw justice being served yesterday. 45 was given instructions that he is not above the law, that his first amendment rights will be treated the same as any other criminal defendant, and that his status as currently running for office is his 'day job' and will have no bearing on the proceedings. The case will go how it goes, but provided the judge continues down this path, we will have a just trial, and the truth will come out.

[@artpiratecollage]

Could those two election workers sue Trump for defamation?

[@GeneralBolas]

I believe they already are.

[@Melesniannon]

Defamation requires the statement made about these people be false, and made either knowing it to be false or with reckless disregard for the truth. They're also regular private citizens rather than public figures (public figures can expect more public comment so the requirement for defamation is higher). So yeah, they probably have a pretty strong case for defamation.

[@GeneralBolas]

@@Melesniannon Note that "knowing it to be false or with reckless disregard for the truth" only applies to public figures. Being false is good enough for private citizens to be defamed.

[@KidVolcano]

Now they can pursue a RICO lawsuit, but maybe not a federal RICO lawsuit...

[@Kaatia18]

As they are private citizens and not public figures the level of proof is much lower, thankfully

[@RocLobo358]

Jeffrey Clarke wrote Georgia a tech support scam letter lol. "You have an irregularity in your state". I'm surprised he didn't try to get Georgia to pay him in gift cards

[@MrClickity]

If you dont resolving this Election Fraud immediately, the Police will warrant an arrest on you and putting you into jail.

[@stayedfaded]

Donald's lawyers are actually inspiring. Here I am, barely literate, with a firm belief that I could pass the bar.

[@nosuchthing8]

The bar seems to be a low bar to pass based on these performances. Many started put sharp but years of alcohol etc abuse dulled their minds.

[@joeybleu66]

indeed

[@wc9760]

As someone who has passed it and knows alot of people who also have who I wouldn't trust to even water my houseplants...yeah lol

[@cerebrumexcrement]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@doriwilson6991]

Inspiring or conspiring?

[@nedcurfman3486]

“A ginger mint” That sounds like the crucial evidence in a really bad Ace Attorney case. Like, worse than Big Top bad.

[@GamesFromSpace]

"Ladies and gentlemen: a ginger-mint." - Harvey Birdman

[@raerohan4241]

Oh, so _that's_ what all this reminded me of! I kept thinking that U.S. politics since 2016 reminded of something, some TV show or movie maybe, but now I realise it was actually Ace Attorney! The heavy absurdist elements that run through the series matches the current state of affairs quite well, actually.

[@sethmizrachi8337]

I joke quite often that every conservative accusation is a confession, but damn if it isn't true.

[@alexharper7645]

That’s definitely both sides.

[@bowdencable7094]

It's an interesting catch-22. He couldnt choose someone as criminal as he is to be VP, because that person might crime against him. But getting someone more honest (a mark) meant having someone with, you know, honesty. He thought Pence would be a boy scout to balance and hide his actions, and Pence was, but only if Pence didn't have to do crimes himself.

[@kphaxx]

?? Pence is not honest. His incidental honesty is motivated by cowardice.

[@ellicel]

Exactly. "Too honest" to dirty his own hands, but happy enough to look the other way.

[@ericwolf9664]

​​@@ellicelI honestly think Pence thought Trump was going to end up impeached and removed for one thing or the other, and he would then be in prime position to put the pieces back together.

[@bowdencable7094]

@@ericwolf9664 I might be inclined to agree with you except that Pence is not a smart man, nor a strategist. He is, however, a hyperevangelical fundamentalist, which makes him incredibly blind and vulnerable to being conned. MLMs and pyramid schemes very successfully target conservative Christians (inc Mormons, JWs, etc) for a reason.

[@nielskorpel8860]

At least that is a bar.

[@Anuchan]

It's so ironic that a Republican can actually claim he is "too honest."

[@zagreus5773]

Being "too honest" for a Republican is simple. Just do one single honest thing.

[@healeyfam]

I mean, the bar was set *so very low*

[@glenngriffon8032]

​@@healeyfam The bar was not just low, that thing was buried so deep in the earth that going further down will only be making it rise on the other side of earth. I haven't seen a bar set this low since i played Action 52.

[@TLTheLegend]

funny, we say the same thing about Democrats, and yet i know plenty of honest Democrats Its almost as if generalizing an entire political party based on a few bad actors is a bad idea!

[@l01230123]

@@TLTheLegend Funny, when you remove all context you can make anyone look like a jerk This wasn't a general statement about all Republicans, but the ones calling Trump honest Your friends sound like jerks, maybe explain to them why, instead of condescending and inappropriately explaining the logical fallacy to us! 🤷‍♂

[@boondocksdragon8959]

I'm very relieved to hear Devin thinks Trump's going to jail. That actually gives me hope, because it sure hasn't felt like he was going to be held accountable for any of this insanity. Anyway, sending Love & Light from Mississippi. Y'all stay safe and keep taking care of each other. ✌🏼💚

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Being as there is no precedent, Devin's opinion is as good as anyone else's. Yeah he's a lawyer, but has he ever tried a former president for sedition? Nobody can say they have experience in that

[@Vercingetorix.Fantasia]

Alot of good lawyers feel this way.

[@Dan55888]

Let's all hope he is right. But I wouldnt bet on it

[@Zalzany]

@@skeetsmcgrew3282 This is how you make precedent. Trump will be it lol. Its like saying there is no precident on the fake electors in states pressing charges there isn't but they about to make some lol. This how make it he will go down in history as first president to go to prison sigh. Then from this point on any one gets crazy ideas like trump they know there is a precedent in place for all this sigh. Just because he is the first one to go to prison don't mean they won't figure it out, just means they got figure it out. I mean you red hats said same thing about pressing charges on him and look at that 4 and counting criminal cases with his name on it. He is gonna set a ton of firsts for this nation, don't your worry just because he is first doesn't mean they can't do it lol.

[@michaelold6695]

This channel has done a break down on how judges determine jail sentence length. IIRC, using the charging guidelines, Trump would get around 5 years for the Classified Docs indictment. I am guessing that an indictment here would probably be around the same.

[@deeps6979]

This nonsense that voters don't elect people, they choose "electors" is one reason to pitch the entire Electoral College. It deliberately obfuscates and leaves vulnerabilities in the presidential election process that can and will be exploited again.

[@AegixDrakan]

If anyone else had done even half of this, they would already be in a padded cell in a very secure prison. And yet, people still want the man to run the country. x_x

[@tired_boy]

You see hes a billionaire so he clearly is just a better person

[@rosesrchaos]

@@tired_boy the super sad thing being that a lot of people genuinely believe that people with material wealth are blessed by God. It's basically the Divine Right of Kings 2.0. I try not to judge people's beliefs, but when their beliefs negatively impact the entire freaking country I cringe so hard.

[@AkinolaEmmanuel]

The Mike Pence being taken to a room with women in it because no one would think to look for him there comment is S-tier level clever and hilarious.

[@neatodd]

That joke went over my head - please explain for this dummy

[@Kidzelda0]

​@@neatoddHe famously won't go into rooms with women without his wife present

[@neatodd]

That's weird - OK. Thanks for the explanation.@@Kidzelda0

[@Savedandfreed]

@@neatoddYh he’s a Christian and he’s really serious about staying away from adultery. Many pastors have this rule too. Not to be in a room alone with a woman unless a fellow pastor or their wife is there.

[@voland6846]

@@Savedandfreed Certified Y'all Qaeda Moment ©

[@davidhitchen5369]

I like how we say "allegedly" as if what the whole world watched him do might not have actually happened.

[@o.gparamount3099]

Justa dumb habit at this point

[@Dan55888]

That is the insane thing. We saw live many times his incompetency, stupidity, racism, and outright blatent lies for 4+ years

[@Welverin]

That's just lawyer speak in reference to someone who hasn't actually been convicted in court yet.

[@Filboid2000]

As sad as it may sound, the Orange-utan is innocent until proven guilty, so the word "allege" and any of its derivatives have to used. In the court of public opinion, Lyin' Don is guilty as sin, but until that is established in a court of law, the niceties need to be observed otherwise we would be no better than Donnie the Loser and the autocracy he has in mind.

[@AwesometownUSA]

it’s just a phrase to protect yourself from lawsuits. even if the statements are clearly true, when has that ever stopped trump from being the most overly-litigious person in history? haha

[@llpolluxll]

'It's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.' You can't write comedy this good.

[@samuelbankston2108]

Love how republicans screaming free speech have never heard of a gag order. Like its normal to not talk about an ongoing case. Much less how youre not supposed to threaten your judge or witnesses. Which he has already done all three.

[@cerebrumexcrement]

lol then they clutch their pearls when someone says something they dont like

[@jamesturner2126]

It was okay to tell Stormy to be quiet. -GQP said.

[@AmyDentata]

The "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd is low on facts and endlessly whines about their feelings

[@samuelbankston2108]

@@AmyDentata irony impaired

[@kevadu]

Republicans have never heard of most things. Very selective memories...

[@CaminoAir]

I understand that the justice system is the justice system and not a means for reflex or emotional fuelled action against dangerous people. All the same it is remarkable how Trump is still given so much leeway to incite/defame/grossly insult and undermine even the most fundamental accepted standards of conduct. Boris Johnson attempted to do proportionally the same in Britain (aided by partisan newspapers and other media companies and die-hard elements of his party), but the different political and social culture in Britain led to his quicker rejection by his party and the public and his being forced into resigning from parliament before the consequences properly caught up with him. Johnson doesn't appear to have the means to resurface that Trump does.

[@hg-yg4xh]

What is a gross insult and what are it’s implications?

[@TheHavnmonkey]

The difference in the US is that Republican members of Congress know that they could lose reelection by pissing off 10-15% of their voter base. While in office Trump's team installed numerous allies into many of the state level republican parties. Look what happened to the Republican US representatives that voted for his impeachment? most lost primary challenges in 2022. I am certain that only a few elected Republicans actually like Trump. Most of them are just trying to hold on until he fades away. I guarantee many of them are hoping he gets convicted and loses the 2024 election so the party can finally move on. It's my understanding of the UK's system that the majority party can remove the PM and then choose another one from within the party, so they don't lose too much politically. In the US, Congress doesn't choose the President so voters in each representatives district would likely feel very upset if their representative removed the person they voted for from office.

[@frimatt5355]

Well Johnson just got kicked out of office. (T**** got impeached twice but he has the senate) Jack is going to send T**** to prison,T*****started to run for president again so he could cry interference.

[@macmcleod1188]

As is frequently said, if any of *US* did *one* of the *many* things Trump has openly done, we'd have been under the jail 2 years ago.

[@davidmoore1253]

What Boris did was nowhere near as bad as this IMO. Illegally proroguing Parliament is very bad, but not as bad as trying to overthrow an entire election.

[@viliamklein]

I think it's worth noting that he tried to destroy the postal service the summer before the election, and he refused to answer whether he would concede before the election as well. Both primed his most devoted cultists to be prepared for the idea that he could and would never lose.

[@krrush1]

Omg I’d forgotten about that! And in several states ppl were finding piles of ballot applications on the side of the road and shit….

[@TheSearchForTruth88]

Justified. Mail in ballots are fraudulent.

[@cerebrumexcrement]

yep. it was obvious why he was going after the postal service. he was so brazon about staying in power regardless of the election results. he knew he was going to lose. no person whos confident in winning would act like this.

[@robsengahay5614]

Good point. This wasn’t a single plan hatched in the aftermath of an election. I am still of the view though that Trump is simply an entitled toddler that expects his every bidding to be followed however outrageous his demands and he also others take all the blame for his crimes because that is how his whole life has gone.

[@breakingbadheisenberg9703]

Steve Bannon was stating in July of 2020 before the election, if trump loses the election was fixed!

[@dazzlemasseur]

That poor woman who was wrongly accused by Trump. That's so sad

[@finnanima2413]

Do you think those two women were singled out because they were black?

[@wanderlustwarrior]

​@@finnanima2413It definitely helped Trump and Rudy's decision.

[@kathleenrobertpogue6818]

@@finnanima2413 do you think there is a situation out there you can't turn into a race issue?

[@micahqgecko]

@@kathleenrobertpogue6818it was blatantly racist lmao

[@kathleenrobertpogue6818]

@@micahqgecko in what way....

[@DonWinslow-vc1um]

Aa a United States Navy and Army National Guard veteran, I like presidents who don't incite violent insurrections at the U.S. Capitol, while his rabid base carries the Confederate flag and chants to hang his VP.

[@raylopez99]

You would not like the Election of 1876 then.

[@A1phaWolf150]

I still don’t get how people can call themselves “patriots” while flying the flag of α confederacy that was an enemy to the United States from its beginning to its end.

[@astralgames5535]

But you like a president that spits in the face of your fellow soldiers by pulling out of Afghanistan? Just to send more soldiers on another war? Idk about you but I'd rather have a president that will start an insurrection against a corrupt government over a corrupt government that steals and kills our very own citizens 🤷.

[@DonWinslow-vc1um]

@@raylopez99 Samuel Tilden opposed slavery, so I applaud him for that. He won the popular vote. In some ways, history is repeating itself. That's a scary thought. I just hope we can learn from our past mistakes. Trump has done enough to divide the nation. If Lincoln were alive, today, he would probably punch Trump in the mouth. I would applaud that.

[@kitefan1]

I know people don't change but I keep hoping that in 130plus years we would learn something. @@raylopez99

[@akidodogstar5460]

If this wasn't written on legal documents that I can refer to online I would think it was satire.

[@binkwillans5138]

That's how history is made.

[@BrotherRoga]

To some, Monty Python is a legitimate documentary. This is a similar situation, unfortunately.

[@Zalzany]

@@BrotherRoga Not really, they got testimonies and witnesses certifying all these things. In fact 6 who isn't name probably is one who turned over most the memos and notes lol.

[@TheSearchForTruth88]

It certainly is satire how blatantly the left stole it via fraudulent mail ins, you're right.

[@cerebrumexcrement]

@@BrotherRoga if u cant tell the difference between a produced television show vs real criminal indictments, then u best drop off the map at the nearest cliff to restart ur simulation.

[@QemeH]

I'm really baffled as to why this is even a question. I mean... I get the due process rules and that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but the public can still see what he said on TV himself. How is it even a QUESTION if he "tried to" unduely influence the election? He called a state official responsible for ballot counting and _literally said_ that they should "find" a few thousand votes. In any country that actually is a democracy (and not only calls itself that like North Korea, Russia or the US) this alone would be an automatic disqualification...

[@michaelbeemer8019]

@QemeH “That was someone imitating my voice on the phone…”

[@QemeH]

@@michaelbeemer8019 ...would be a possible defense, he is not going with. He has publicly acknowledged that it was him (he just said, it was fine and not a big deal)...

[@michaelbeemer8019]

@@QemeH That wouldn’t stop him from trying it. He always says what he think benefits himself at the moment, without regard to reality or what he said previously.

[@QemeH]

@@michaelbeemer8019 And again I ask: How is this even a question?

[@zelohendricks51]

So you don't get due process rules

[@JustAGun_]

Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect presidential donations

[@yousaidthusly461]

Every time I hear the last name of one of Trump’s co-conspirators I still have to remind myself this is not a bit, this is real.

[@WhistleAndSnap]

... Chesebro?

[@unfunniestman]

cheese, bro

[@Katie-hh9eu]

I love that he's also from Wisconsin, it's just too on the nose.

[@joeybleu66]

much better than current entertainment offerings. admittedly we have to take a break sometimes. real reality . is trump a sith lord? who are his apprentice's? seems to have 6 . writer's and their wealthy adversaries have to come to terms. trickle down or we will not work.

[@internetwizard4922]

and EPSHTEYN.. oh my gosh what an unfortunate last name

[@Venzynt]

Trump has like a 100 charges but hasn't worn handcuffs once smh

[@Zalzany]

78 and counting sigh...

[@TheSearchForTruth88]

Because he is an innocent man who committed no crimes, and the DOJ knows it. Convicting him would create the precedent that the government can arrest who they want without evidence, leading to tyranny. We wouldn't have a country if the left had their way.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

We were also robbed of a Trump mug shot. He’s still getting special treatment.

[@ManofMystery89]

Yet

[@forthesnowflakes7691]

He hasn't been in handcuffs but they claim a "two tier justice system". Which turns out to be another term they've hijacked and changed the definition because they don't understand the true definition and want to use the term for their own entitled selfishness.

[@MonkeyChessify]

I get this case needs to be rock solid and everything. but goddamn its infuriating how long the process is taking given we all know what happened. If he and his cronies don't go to federal prison for the rest of their lives, the GOP is just going to be emboldened

[@Tricia_K]

I agree - especially regarding the (surely?) slam-dunk case regarding the infamous Georgia phone call.

[@cerebrumexcrement]

well if it gives u any comfort, there was a crime in my city where everyone knew it was done intentionally and by whom. but investigators didnt indict the culprits until two years later. after about three years, theyre finally going to trial. seeing how complex trump's crimes were, its surprising how quick jack smith has been with this investigation.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@cerebrumexcrement- Damn near turbo-charged.

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

I have bad news for you.

[@steventhrasher3608]

@@cerebrumexcrement I had jury duty about 2 months ago. I went as far as being asked questions by lawyers but wasn't selected for the actual jury. But they did read the indictment to everyone in the pool and the alleged act took place in summer 2019 (2 armed robbery counts and one battery causing serious bodily harm I believe). But it took 4 freaking years to get to trial and the accused was some regular late teen or early 20's dude.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

God, it's actually terrifying how much America's democracy relies on people being good and how easily bad people can make a mockery of the entire system

[@rickglorie]

I don't know, for a so called 'soft' system, it's very resillient.

[@TheAxeLord47911]

@@rickglorie People would be inclined to doubt you, but as a Zoomer with faith in the democratic institutions of this country, I'm actually inclined to agree with you. It's very clear we've overcome the worst by beating Trump's incumbency advantage in 2020 with all the young people that went out to vote for Biden in droves, and not even an attempted insurrection could clamp that back. Many democracies simply *would not survive* if such a person like Trump did all that he did, so the fact there's still an entire plurality of the country dedicated to democracy shows how much the democratic spirits goes back in the country. Any person who's arguing "it's a republic, not a democracy!" is spitting in the face of the many brave men and women who fought and died trying to ensure our rights, or were callously thrown to the pyre of imperialism by bitter old men who never had to raise a gun in their lives. Make no mistake: the worst *IS* over. Gen. Z is the most leftward it's ever been here in the USA, and too many people give a shit to let the country fall into the hands of autocrats who don't care about democratic rule. The fact Ohio's Republican caucus tried to cheat for abortion banning and they were STILL thwarted shows people are done with the Republicans. Even Republican youth are more privy to stuff like climate change (y'know, largely because they have to *live* in the future of Earth), a fact that should frankly *terrify* Republican strategists.

[@rickglorie]

@@TheAxeLord47911 it's also the impression of control Trump is constantly tries to project, but it's just bluster. I don't doubt the intent was serious, and that the charges are serious, but what's not even addressed is: what if it had somehow worked THEN the shit would have really hit the fan, with a much darker ending than what is now spoken off.

[@thewardenofoz3324]

​@@TheAxeLord47911 as an accessory to child murder, your opinions are forfeit

[@haxie4516]

@@thewardenofoz3324 Tf? What are you talking about?

[@Daedalus_Dragon]

Hearing all the details laid out so plainly, all of these people should be found guilty on all charges. Not sure if treason is one of the charges, but it should be. All of the lawyers should be disbarred.

[@Zalzany]

They are all facing bar sanctions that could include disbarment. In fact one is crying to bar he wants to keep his law license till after his trail forgot wich one but one the big lie spewers is facing disbar procdures before his trail and he don't want any part of it lol

[@Hatecrewdethrol]

"The Secret Service took Pence to a room where he would never be found, presumably a room with a woman in it" Almost spat out my coffee on that one lol

[@dizzyMongoose]

Yeah, that was a flash burn outta nowhere, got a good cackle out of me.

[@Arterexius]

Same, that was too perfect and executed with a complete stone face 😂

[@sambishop3211]

@@ArterexiusI was hoping someone would comment on this. The jokes gone completely over my head, can you explain?

[@chillbro1010]

@@sambishop3211 From what I googled pence made a comment about "never dining alone with a woman" which got memed for a minute

[@Arterexius]

@@sambishop3211 Yes, the joke is that the people looking for Pence, would primarily be incels (Andrew Tate worshippers who refer to women as females or worse, femoids, with the latter meaning "female humanoids") and considering incels hatred towards women, which always leads them to push women away from them, they would have no hopes of finding Pence, if he was locked in with a woman

[@omri9982]

Absolutely insane how people will still vote for this guy.

[@Lou_Mansfield]

Because they only watch Fox news and nothing else

[@steviesavagegs8791]

The fact that anyone votes at all is a joke. Every real candidate we have had to vote for since Obama has been a criminal

[@RealCaptainJaws]

@@strayspark1967 This IS what's going on. This stuff is actually provable in court. What are you referring to?

[@scottn1943]

First president from prison

[@goldencheeze]

@@RealCaptainJawshe’s talking about people who will blindly vote for trump every time despite him proving time and time again he’s kind of a clown he’s the reason i don’t align with any party loyalties, it’s just pick your poison with most modern elections

[@Quagthistle]

My favorite quote from this video: "If you encounter a legal theory that is 'wild/creative', you should probably travel expeditiously in the other direction." XD

[@Secret_Moon]

The most crazy thing is that the DOJ at the time, in particular acting general Jeffrey Rosen, didn't come out and publicize immediately these clear blackmail and intimidation attempts from Trump.

[@DanaOtken]

They may have had the time to become used to it?

[@shelbyseitzinger927]

why start setting precedent now? When they can just uphold the status quo

[@chaseviking5096]

You mean the bs that was brought up and proven to be false?

[@durk5331]

@@chaseviking5096Except there is Clear and Obvious Proof its Not False?

[@billlauretti7963]

"In response, the Defendant told the Vice President, "You're too honest." That's pretty much the worst thing you can be in trump's mind.

[@simonharris4873]

He should be using that in his campaign. "Vote Pence, even Trump says he's honest."

[@steve470]

@@simonharris4873 As mentioned in the video, he's literally selling merch based on it. That wasn't a joke - it's right there on his campaign website's store.

[@knifetoucher]

You know what boggles the mind? Not that Trump did what he did but the fact that nearly HALF of us will STILL be voting for him in 2024 after all of that.... Humanity truly is a doomed species.

[@arkosilaura]

Democracy cannot function without a well educated voter base. America's education has become a joke worldwide at this point.

[@fionarobertson8841]

more like 30 percent.

[@josiahgittman1268]

Unfortunately people believe what they want to be true rather than what is most likely to be true. This is a reflection of the failure that is the American education system, but it’s also a consequence of America’s deeply ingrained religious culture. I hope things change, but I don’t see it changing any time soon…

[@Jay_Frank]

Nah, just Americans

[@toseltreps1101]

the US are not humanity 😂

[@ProfessorJayTee]

Counterpoint: this is a GREAT thing for the legal profession, since cleaning up these bastards will send a message that mere ethics violations (often ignored) aren't the only thing that can happen to bad lawyers.

[@specialnewb9821]

A better message would be if the ABA stopped pretending the federalist society was normal.

[@Vastin]

@@specialnewb9821Yes, a legal society built entirely around the concept that the US Justice System should be used as a tool to push a specific, highly ideological interpretation of every law in the nation is not a healthy thing for the system to have. Justice is intended to be impartial, while the Federalist Society exists to exploit it in as partisan a manner as possible.

[@jaeboston9228]

I pray these two women win their lawsuit. They need to be compensated for damages done. Republicans can be horrible to their fellow man.

[@Rob-metoo527]

Well, as a Republican, you're specifically talking about the Christian conservative wing... 0 education

[@jaeboston9228]

@@Rob-metoo527 apologies! It isn't fair to paint all Republicans with the same brush. I am glad you understand what I mean.

[@arthuralford]

@@Rob-metoo527 You're right, but these people call themselves "Republicans" and as long as they are allowed to run rampant and represent the party, all Republicans are tarred with the same brush

[@stevenneiman1554]

On the bright side, it's a civil case which means a much lower bar, and Alex Jones has already shown that when it comes to civil cases for defamation, people like this are basically pinatas full of money.

[@diazinth]

@@Rob-metoo527 aren't you all voting for and working with the same people though?

[@Woogsie]

The audacity of this alleged scheme is only surpassed by their Dunning Kruger Effect level of incompetency.

[@GSBarlev]

Not to take away from your point, but obligatory mention that the Dunning-Kruger effect isn't real... except when it comes to people's understand of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@Woogsie]

@@GSBarlev the effect itself is real, the debate is over what produces it.

[@ASocialistTransGirl]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@GSBarlevyou just Dunning-Krugered the Dunning-Kruger Dunning-Kruger

[@nosuchthing8]

The phrase needs to be retired. At this point it's a logical fallacy.

[@adalsal816]

​@@ASocialistTransGirlThis is a Dunning-Kruger moment.

[@Desertphile]

I love it when career criminals document their crimes so well.

[@alexandrorocca7142]

What's incredible is that to this day, GOP congresspeople and conservative pundits with a law degree are still defending him.

[@Moraenil]

It's all about the ratings these days, and the chaos of "reality" tv has also affected people's desire to see the outlandish BS. It's all connected, unfortunately.

[@jasonmaclean719]

Because it's all a political witch hunt to keep him out of office. At this point the fact anyone believes this is all legit seriously makes me question if this isn't becoming Stalin's America.

[@julianyc422]

for Money. It's for the Money. Remember that Lawyer from Europe that came in got demanded a million up front, tried one deposition and then quit.

[@TimeBomb014X]

Yes because there is no chance no chance at all that maybe , just mayne Trump is innocent amd and anyone who disagrees with the people I listen to who tell me he is guilty as sin is just doing it for money

[@LeftoverBeefcake]

@@julianyc422 Exactly that. If you want to get to the root of anything, just follow the money, because it's always abut the money. Pundits are willing to lie because their paychecks depend on it.

[@Maazzzo]

I am not American, so I'm having a difficult time following all of this. However, I desperately hope that Trump ends up in prison (I doubt it) so I appreciate you breaking this down for us. Thanks!

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

The best case scenario is probably Trump passing away and the GOP losing a few elections. They need punished for marrying an authoritarian

[@SkiLILs]

This is propaganda.

[@Alexander-cg1ey]

​@@SkiLILsYou've never heard Trump speak have you?

[@danielgodfrey4415]

You dont understand our laws. Trump literally did nothing wrong. -They arrested him for protesting the election. The same thing the fascists did in 2016. And they attempted an actual coupe. -Then they tried to say he started a riot then leave out the part where he said GO HOME/PEACEFULLY PROTEST -Then they arrested him for having documents he's legally allowed to have under the presidential records act. Unlike biden for stealing records for 40 years and Pence had records he wasn't supposed to have. They didn't even bother to raid obamas house. And his documents are stored unsecured in a warehouse next to alot of foot traffic.

[@quixomega]

I'm not sure he will, look at all the delusional posts on this video. People still support Trump despite all the evidence.

[@epipen22]

Elect a clown, you get a circus.

[@Rihardololz]

i hope US today gets 1000 hurricanes and yellow stone exploding ash all over states.

[@penguinista]

Elect an authoritarian crook, get an insurrection.

[@shellnet411]

They should also press charges for insane violence against them. They should be criminal charges for Giuliani as well.

[@rjwh67220]

I’d be willing to give a pass to Giuliani and others if they flip and appear as witnesses. Well, maybe they wouldn’t make such good witnesses, given their history as massively blatant liars.

[@jakepullman4914]

Inciting violence? "Insane violence" is correct but technically not specifically outlawed.

[@StormsandSaugeye]

It's absolutely disturbing to me that this much fraud took place and yet people still have the audacity to not only support the perpetrator of such fraud, but to also blame the actual innocent party for their leaders fraud.

[@jesusnthedaisychain]

This is what you get when you're never told "No" as a child or learn how to be a gracious loser as a child. Don't spoil your kids.

[@foam3132]

Wrd

[@rjwh67220]

They grow up to be spoiled children.

[@therick7445]

I’m sorry but anyone saying you’re too honest to a politician is clearly guilty of something serious

[@aardjazz]

yeah, any idea were I can get some?

[@op3129]

THIS. innocent (but stupid) answer: I disagree guilty af answer: you're too honest

[@shaunmcisaac782]

Lunacy, mainly

[@THEEND4444]

As much as I don’t like Pence, making shirts that say “Too Honest” is baller move.

[@-ThatGuy-]

Honestly I'd buy that shirt just for the meme.

[@TheSearchForTruth88]

He is a traitor to the American people.

[@Nothanku_]

As someone from Indiana, it’s pretty bold.

[@likebot.]

I could like Pence if it turned out that he never heard Trump's campaign and he didn't know what the pLaTfOrM was (even in sarcasm, saying Trump had a platform is too generous). But since he saw what DJT was I'd never trust anyone who supported The Donald politically.

[@obits3]

Pence’s biggest fault is possibly being to conservative on social issues. Morally speaking, there’s very little he can be criticized on. That same hard core conservatism which informed his social views also made him strong enough to do the correct thing during a period of national chaos.

[@nsahandler]

"That's why there's an insurrection act," is possibly the most-frightening and most deafening thing to ever be muttered by a conspirator

[@MutteringCondolences]

Yup. That alone should warrant a life sentence at an absolute minimum. That was an admission of conspiracy to commit hundreds, if not thousands, if not tens of thousands of murders.

[@europe5281]

looking forward to when we can drop the "allegedly" part.

[@jacobc4582]

You're looking forward in time farther than anyone will be alive champ. Trump isn't going anywhere except the presidential nomination 😂😂😂

[@Maplaplaplapla]

​@@jacobc4582begone troll

[@gnomad3143]

@@jacobc4582 Man actually said "Champ" like hes my creepy baseball coach, im willing to bet you're over 45

[@Maplaplaplapla]

​@@gnomad3143As if being over 45 is an insult? Try not stooping lower than your opponent

[@Justthe_facts]

​@@MaplaplaplaplaOk, Boomer.

[@andrewlewis414]

If Pence didn’t have to lift a finger, he would’ve gladly watched with no issue.

[@arjaygee]

The fact that he entertained the idea long enough to discuss it with Dan Quayle is telling in and of itself.

[@obits3]

@@arjaygeeTaking time to think on something in a tense situation is reasonable. I prefer to judge people on the actions and final decisions they make. In the end, Pence did the right thing when it was his turn to act.

[@TonyB369]

@@obits3I wish more people thought like you

[@fromulus]

@@obits3 The point of the op was that if that last crucial step involved someone other than the VP, he would've stood there and let it happen, like he did with the rest of it. I'm incredibly grateful that he made the right choice, but to be perfectly honest it seemed more like self-preservation with an eye toward the future than standing up for what's right and just. If he thought they could've gotten away with it with no consequences, I think he does it.

[@michelletheia9853]

The truly frightening thing about all of this is that the person who will actually dismantle our democracy is going to use this as a guide of what needs to be done better/prepared for better. I.e. someone was watching how well these bumbling buffoons managed to do in their plan and saying “I can do better.”

[@NEPAAlchey]

When Trump said "Leave it to me and the Republican Congressmen". That to me implicates half of Congress as co-conspirators. I hope we see some juicy texts come out once the trial starts. Be funny to see half of Congress hauled out by the military.

[@specialnewb9821]

Gossar, Biggs, Brooks are the big ones that are guilty.

[@AaronWoodburn]

Gaetz, graham, and hawley need to be charged.

[@FireEmblem16]

I simultaneously love and hate that Trump's goons so naturally present themselves as a rouges gallery.

[@JohnLawson-z7c]

*rogues. But, yes.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

@@JohnLawson-z7cnah, rouge is right - rouge handed. 😜

[@throwwway9152]

I can't wait for the movie in 20 years. Absurdist comedy + Political thriller

[@RealRexRiplash]

​@@throwwway9152Starring Adam Sandler

[@noname7271]

​@@throwwway9152The Death of Stalin type of comedy. It was an amazing movie.

[@LiamRappaport]

I almost wish several of the republican senators had tried to go along with Trump's plan so maybe he could somewhat fulfill his campaign promise to "drain the swamp" by taking them down with him. As someone from Alabama, I specifically want Tubberville out. War eagle.

[@drakky3051]

Well, he wasn't a senator in 2020, so....

[@keirfarnum6811]

Tuberville is holding up the military appointments to keep them open in case Trump becomes president again; so Trump can put his people in place and control the military.

[@LiamRappaport]

@@drakky3051 Huh, thanks for the correction, my memory must be glitching. Maybe because he was running in 2020 and was in the news quite a few times with Trump?

[@emPtysp4ce]

Personally, I find it impossible to take seriously anyone with the name Senator Johnny Potatotown.

[@brittanymiller3157]

Fellow Alabamian and Auburn fan. We might not be the best, but at least our battle cry isn't synonymous with incest online. I also vote blue, and want Tubberville out.

[@souldrinkerducy]

At this point, Trump and his crime family seem like villains that explain their plan to the hero before leaving them un guarded to die in some weird way.

[@newb431]

You’d be blown away by the Biden family lol

[@Jogjosmowwdkfs]

No no no, I'm going to leave them alone and not actually witness them dying, I'm just gonna assume it all went to plan. What?

[@DanSmith-fj1uw]

@@newb431 I don’t believe the Biden family has ever tried to overthrow of the American democracy. None of Biden’s kids are even working in the White House unlike Trump, who put all of his children in some sort of important positions they had absolutely no qualifications for.

[@TKUltra971]

"Well you discovered my plan BATMAN!" "I'll tell you how we did the deed..!" "You see..." (10 panels later).

[@dpawtows]

@@newb431 How so? The Bidens have proven quite honorable.

[@RusTsea196T]

Love the "Cheeseball" Mysterio graphic for Conspirator #5 Has Ruby Freeman sued *rump for defamation? His claim she is "a professional vote scammer" shows falsehood and malice. Eagle Team, assemble?

[@nouveauprofil]

Trump to Pence: "You're too honest" What kind of demented and stupid insult is that???

[@labadf]

The kind Trump would think is an insult. To him, honest people are beneath his level of cunning and deception

[@godfreycarmichael]

Bigly...

[@LonesomeDevil]

​@@labadfWhich is ironic considering a big part of why some of the Republican party are throwing him under the bus is because the man just can't shut up and stop incriminating himself on social media when his freedom and life depend on it. Seems like great wealth comes at the price of your self-awareness.

[@Zarkarin]

You forget they're politicians. Calling a politician honest is like calling a rocket scientist a toy maker.

[@jacobmorris16]

I'm having flashbacks to when I was once fired from used car sales because I was "too nice".

[@DonkeyKong57783]

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment forbids holding office by former office holders who then participate in insurrection or rebellion.

[@TheMysteryDriver]

And? Who's running that actually participated in an insurrection or rebellion?

[@tubruton]

@@TheMysteryDriver That would be Donald Trump. It's all over the news.

[@lochnessamonster1912]

This law was just used to keep Cowboys for Trump dude off the ballot and could be deployed at state level against people like Andy Biggs, Hawley, etc. Contact your local representatives about doing this if you live in a state with an insurrectionist, if you want to make a difference

[@robertsmith4681]

he is charged with neither of those things though.

[@ccudmore]

@@robertsmith4681that’s not the standard in the 14th amendment. The word “participates” is the bar that’s set.

[@thejudgmentalcat]

"Presumably, a room with a woman in it" Our boy Devin slaying it today ❤ Thanks for breaking this down for us plebs, it's so satisfying to see these in an actual indictment

[@TehConqueror]

the amount of restraint put into not calling the legal eagle team an ELITE STRIKE FORCE eagle team is commendable

[@geopolitix7770]

They must've weighed that up for a while in the editing suite I reckon🤣

[@revlouch]

I know the conspirators are “speaking in code” but it sounds like a legitimate coup d'état. “Just need to make it through tomorrow ideally tomorrow night” like dang man lol

[@TheSearchForTruth88]

Then you don't know what a coup is. No crime was committed.

[@StrikeWarlock]

​@@TheSearchForTruth88conspiracy to commit a coup is still trying to commit a coup. Just because it didn't end up happening doesn't mean it isn't one.

[@Jehty_]

@@TheSearchForTruth88 he was charged with 4 crimes. Of course because of innocent till proven guilty we can't yet say that he definitely committed these crimes, but saying that "no crime was committed" seems really delusional.

[@shevek2954]

It sounds like a coup attempt because it was.

[@revlouch]

I actually looked it up beforehand since no military force was used and I stand by my statement of subjective fact in relation to my opinion on the matter XD Maybe you don’t know what a coup is because they failed so you’re correct, there was no coup. But upon successful execution of their plan it would have been a textbook coup. Lawyers have it rough.

[@diyeana]

Imagine "too honest" being an insult. 😂 I didn't realize they documented their crimes so well. Sadly, a good chunk of Americans will still not believe it.

[@RusTsea196T]

It's not that they won't believe it, they choose not to care. The "Party of Law and Order" is now the Party of "La La La, I see NOTHING!"

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

The trump crime family needs to face justice, regardless of the election.

[@RuSosan]

Very much so. Decades overdue.

[@juanibarra4927]

The Bidens too

[@RuSosan]

@@juanibarra4927 "Buhwhaddabout buhwhaddabout waah waah!"

[@MusikAstronaut]

@@juanibarra4927 Thank u!

[@mellowfellow845]

@@RuSosanGod forbid we call out political corruption in both parties 🙄

[@pano3607]

They should all go inside for trying to overturn the result otherwise everyone will try. But what they did to those poor poll workers was utterly monstrous! They don’t care whose life they ruin. Prison is almost too good for them

[@ellicel]

These conspirators were all lawyers and apparently determined that the consequences of their actions would be so slight that the risk was more than worth it. If they end up with nothing more than a slap on the wrist then they were absolutely right and others can feel free to do the same in the future.

[@jackieeg]

My mom actually got a letter from Trump’s campaign asking her to be an elector… and that was before the election. They were planning that way before they lost.

[@raggedcritical]

At that point it'd be legit, wouldn't it? If they hadn't lost they would have had a legitimate need for electors.

[@mloftus8618]

That’s interesting if true. I’m inclined to believe it. But you’re right, trump and his people were planning this well ahead of the election. I mean, there is actual audio of Steve Bannon and Trump’s cabinet discussing this exact plot 2 months before the election!

[@krrush1]

Soon as he said “If we lose the next election it was rigged” I knew he was gonna pull some shit.

[@Welverin]

His reelection campaign was all about him claiming he couldn't lose, but if he did it was because 'they cheated' and claiming mail in ballots were rife with fraud (because he knew they would primarily go for Biden). So, yes, they were plotting long before he actually lost the election.

[@kellyalves756]

I was talking to my mom about how weird various Republican politicians were being when reporters asked them about the election before any votes were even cast. Person after person was asked the simple question “ If Biden is elected, will you concede to the will of the people?” And person after person did the same thing-they would smirk a little, do a bit of “ um, er” ing, and then say something like “ I am fully prepared to accept the legitimately elected presidential candidate.” So the reporter, noticing the weirdness, would repeat the part about the possibility that candidate might be Biden, and they would smirk again and basically just repeat whatever waffly script- chunk they had just uttered. It was freaking weird. Does anyone else remember that? I totally remember barking “ Answer the damn question!” at the TV. I was fully prepared that Team Trump was preparing to whine about election grift well before the election results came in, but in retrospect that creepy little dance they were doing with the media is pretty chilling.

[@kieranclarges2514]

WOW! That "Too Honest" t-shirt is too funny... Considering the context of the "Too Honest" statement was 'Too honest to commit a felony and go to prison'. Which he just so happened to leave out... How honest of him.

[@funtechu]

It's a low bar, but a bar nonetheless.

[@myakhie]

The fact that this video was put out five days ago and its already out of date because there's been another indictment. 💀

[@avacadomangobanana2588]

💀💀💀💀💀 every 15 minutes remember?

[@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow.]

Another??

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

My favorite part about Trump's defense is that it requires him to be so dumb or so nuts that he believed his own idiotic lies.

[@TheNewton]

Neither, the defense requires a judge to fall for it and not believe he is competent to stand trial for what he knew he was doing.

[@durk5331]

@@TheNewtonIf you're too incompetent to stand trial, you should be considered too incompetent to run for office of any kind...

[@geopolitix7770]

Well it at least requires Trump to SAY he was dumb enough to believe it

[@carl8703]

@@durk5331 and yet, here we are

[@durk5331]

@@geopolitix7770 Yeah but he wasn't classed as too incompetent to stand trial before the first term...

[@MarkLipka]

♦️ *Only an attorney feels the need to say "allegedly" when we can all see what happened. Great video. Make Attorneys Get Attorneys.* ♦️

[@wilyriley_]

to be fair, I’m also sure the attorney sees what is happening, they just can’t say it

[@TheBLGL]

The news media has to do the same thing, it’s so they don’t get sued for defamation. 🙄 But way to make a big deal out of a standard practice.

[@Astral_thee_God]

Everyone, not just lawyers, *has* to say allegedly in cases like this. Trump hasn't gone to court yet and this hasn't been legally proven true. If you present it as if it is true before the court finds it so, you can be sued. Duh

[@Zalzany]

That and any one with a ton of followers and money. If I had that many subscribers I would be saying it just so Trump don't send a shitty lawyer to get me a youtube strike or sue me lol. I mean he is getting desperate for cash he might have to start suing people for defamation to refill the coffers lol.

[@ThePandafriend]

​@@Zalzany He's a billionaire. He won't run out of cash anytime soon. Especially considering that his cult like following pays the legal fees.

[@visitor55555]

That finding votes phone call should be all the courts need to prove corruption in that man yet there's much, much, much more they can use. I can not express how much I'm looking forward to seeing that man in jail.

[@louiepikmin3184]

I think that alone would be enough, but trump was literally a previous president and has a massive following so they gotta take their time with this or else his supporters are gonna be really angry when he goes to jail. I mean, they're already really angry, but imagine how much worse they'd be if this happened faster then it is

[@theReesePorter]

Feels like we're brushing past the scorched earth roast of Mike Pence there. "A place where no one would ever find him. Presumably a room with a woman in it"!💀My hat tipped to you, sir. The execution was as fluid as it was lethal

[@AILIT1]

It's crazy that people still want to vote for this man.

[@robguyatt9602]

The problem as I see it is that the good people who support Trump are simply willingly ignorant of the real man. They choose to only watch news outlets that don't tell the truth. Those outlets just parrot Trump's lies verbatim. I have a friend who is one of those Trump supporters. A genuinely nice guy. He even says he doesn't like Trump as a person but supports him due to his policies. He clearly does not watch any of the outlets that are very honest and reliable and report fault on whatever side they are investigating.

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

45=47

[@DefinitelyAPotato]

@@WackadoodleMalarkey Well at least your name is accurate.

[@simonharris4873]

@@WackadoodleMalarkey Nobody ever accused Trump supporters of being good at math.

[@sharonharris9782]

​@@WackadoodleMalarkey😂😂😂😂😂😂YOU ARE IN A CULT

[@CdnTrader1]

Law schools really need to do a better job of screening applicants. And right now we can consider Aileen Cannon to be after-the-fact co-conspirator #7.

[@LegalSenpai]

Sadly this isn't the case. Law school admissions have plummeted in the last 10 years with the top college graduates not going into the field. It fell so much so that the LSAT was dropped as an admission standard*, as well as a fight between law schools and the state bars with the NCBE (National Conference of Bar Examiners). On one side, the law schools argue the Bar exam (both for state and the multistate portions) are being made harder and that's why Bar passage rates are down. On the other side, state bar's and the NCBE argue that...well...stop accepting worse applicants. You can only do so much to keep people in law school with attrition rate being a very real thing even if the curve is set high. At the end of the day, it is a business, and you will have idiots and villains in every field. Sadly.

[@LegalSenpai]

I also realize this comment on this video is pretty funny lol. Another great, well spoken and well edited, video!

[@marcusrowe5247]

​@@LegalSenpaip00 my

[@mikep1530]

If being a bad person is a criteria, there would be far fewer lawyers.

[@labadf]

Heh, Trump would probably go out screaming he had the highest score in the only test they gave him, and that he is now "honorary, what a honor, honorous lawyer, the best lawyer there is" after they undoubtedly reject him after seeing how unfit he is.

[@debrajames6286]

Lay DOWN with Trump, you wake UP with a cellmate.🧑‍⚖️👮‍♂️🚔

[@lizabethhampton4537]

Poor Melania

[@DrgnSpawn]

@@lizabethhampton4537 What has she been doing this whole time? It's like she's playing a game of hide n seek with the media and winning...

[@drbuckley1]

Don't drop the soap in the prison shower.

[@Krushak8888]

​@DrgnSpawn the way Melania has been when trump wanted to hold her hand and other things... its almost like she married for money or something.

[@hackvlix]

@@Krushak8888 ...allegedly 😏