LEGIT Record?! HOT Laps in FL5 Honda Civic Type R! // Nürburgring

[@mgcharoudin]

Ideally I should film an extra explanatory piece for this video, but I don't have time as I am in Monza right now. I would like to address the overheating issue and my role/responsibility in this. With modified cars or old ones, I monitor the temperature closely, even if the GoPro is blocking the direct view, I would peek over it to double check. Modern cars have plenty of safety features that would throw a big warning and reduced power mode to avoid any danger (happened on a Gen 1 Audi R8 last week actually, which you'll see later). Let alone a STOCK car should be able to handle it flawlessly. That the car only went in limp mode at over 150 degrees kinda blows my mind. The engine stutter was clearly due to low fuel because on the second lap when we reached 150+ again, the car performed without issues. After watching the video back, I think the car had a faulty thermostat, because the water temp kept rising uncontrolllably past 90 degrees. After the first lap by the way, the oil was changed at Milltek and checked for any damage - all was good. Also if the passenger/owner saw the oil temp hit over 150 himself and didn't say anything - maybe those temps are normal, I'm not a Honda expert. All of that aside, we can clearly see NO WAY the record car was running the same gearing and maybe the boost levels. My corner exit speeds were a few km/h lower due to cold tyres and simply lack of seat time, but the final speeds and revs/gears were massively off on high speed sections such as SX, Foxhole and Kesselchen.

[@DanielDore-h3d]

Quite a cool read. Also, quick pointer, do not explain yourself. It's just a car doing car things!!

[@Rehbraun]

They do tricks of course. Do you think Renault didn’t it with their RS Trophy lap record lap.

[@hahaholycrap]

Besides the oil cooking, the car performed nice. You seemed to have confidence in the handling.

[@Dobi-Lux]

@@Rehbraun Nope

[@CDM33333]

Suprised on seeing 150 degrees oil…BUT if the oil was checked afterwards (proper checked, oil analysis not just visual) and it’s good then all good. I’m pretty sure that Honda engineers have tested the car on similar conditions, and if the didn’t set the limp mode it will be for a reason. I’m actually more surprised to see water temps of 120 degrees…maybe the sensor isn’t right as you say.

[@jkbdk6723]

For all the beeping, it's kinda strange there's no beeping for when the engine get so hot.

[@miner4236]

bro that's literally why it was beeping, are you okay ?

[@TheJORDYBOM]

​@@miner4236 are you ok? I'm sure he's on about the redline beep

[@fredrikandersson3885]

the beeping is when hes smashing the rev limiter.

[@MrDelsoleg11]

@5:32 that beeping is for overheating

[@xrhstosk]

Because honda is unbreakable.Μονο honda ρε γατακια

[@typeRF20c]

I used to be ICE reliability test engineer, for a french manufacturer, and i especially worked on the engine that goes in the back of a little car named AS1... The worst case taken into account for the engine design/conception, is 110°C coolant temp and 140°C oil temp, about 400h at max torque, then 600h at max power. Honestly, it is often the test that goes the most well without any issues (more problems came from the bench itself instd from the engine). At such temperatures, no ECU derating must alter performance, it must be the same as what the advertising shows. Another test consist of perform an "overheating" endurance test (100h which represent the worst customer case and/or a bad thermostat and/or in desert with high altitude (low air density/less cooling performance)), to then set the maximum torque the crankshaft bearing can handle (to go until the failure is part of the test, it is a result). So to get back the Type R, above 135-138 oil temp and 110 coolant temp, the FL5 has started to derate its output, by 20-30%. Before the fuel cut, no mechanical damage should appear (well you may have half of the power output, but it shouldnt fail). The most risky is to "break" the oil film due to low viscosity, as the dimension doesnt change (low scale regarding the oil visc), the more the oil is hot, the less the oil is viscous and so the pressure (can goes until 10-15bar, to fight against the combustion pressure that push the piston/rod to it) between the crankshaft and the bearing is low because of the highest leakage flow on both side of the bearing. Anyway, sorry for my english, hope it lights up some of you :)

[@ahokai]

is that because the car was badly modified?

[@typeRF20c]

@@GS0CK6 😂 they do what they can to try to stay competitive on the market... I understand what you're saying. But, look how more reliable Renault becomes. The mr16 and mr18, or the k9k since several years, are very good. But yeah, that's very frustrating to see that not every cases have been "enveloped" by the 2 years of testing, or that ROI is more important than reliability in some cases.

[@typeRF20c]

@@ahokai I believe the air filter doesn't help at all. The front face of a car has done millions of calculs and tests to ensure the air flow allow to dissipate the heating power into the radiators, even if A/C is on, even at slow air flow, even at full load, even at high ambiant temp. So clearly on modern cars avoid to modify any air flow that goes into air filter or front bumper, or ensure no element will see its needs in air flow reduced by the mod.

[@ilfordino-fordfiestatutori8725]

What about piston and block clearance due to expansion? I remember Alpina H1 engines that blew because of too high operating temperature and too low oil viscosity (piston would grind inside the block). Im my mind there's no chance that an engine operating at those temperatures would go for 200.000km.

[@typeRF20c]

@@ilfordino-fordfiestatutori8725 of course you're right! But it is simply characterised on test bench, and previously calculated (easy now to know how expends a piston regarding to its material composition, as well as the cylinder block). But now you'll have knock or rumble before having any "hardware" issues. The power derating on coolant temp criteria, will come before because of knock on petrol engine. I've never seen any clearance issue because of high coolant temp (between 2015 and 2022). But rumble or knock very often on not fully developped map. Even head gaskets are so strong now. I guess because there have been big improvements on materials (dilatation, foundry process, alloys, and of course gasket quality).

[@le_combattant2458]

150° Celcius for oil, this car needs definitely of a oil cooler upgrade

[@agnttgr]

And definitely an oil change after that, not another race lap

[@MrTchou]

@@agnttgr second lap was done a few days later.

[@kubson012]

Stupid mods...

[@1993j]

I suspect the issue is with the turbo being 3inch/7.6cm away from the radiator without any actual in-depth inspection. The norm would be to house the turbo by the engine, as it is much less susceptible to heat transfer on the internal side.

[@agnttgr]

@@MrTchou with same oil in engine The best racing engine oil can hold its properties up to 130 degrees. Beyond that temperature oil starts to lose its properties so the engine wouldn't be lubricated good enough

[@zaaajac]

And I thought the MTM S3 was bad… I can’t wrap my head around how a PERFORMANCE car can even reach 150C+ oil temperature, nor throw a WARNING when that happens. It beeps for everything else, but for the one thing that matters the most it does not. Mindblowing.

[@_HZ7]

5:23 starts beep for overheating

[@BigRoss5150Gaming]

​@@_HZ7that beep specifically is the rev limiter beep

[@TheJorge100]

the beeping is the garmin. They literally say it in the video. Mindblowing people cant hear apparently. The small beeps are the garmin, the louder one is the shift tone (can be turned off in settings)

[@peachulemon]

Cause it's a Honda, not fucking GT3 think about wtf car it is before u say something

[@dmart9642]

@@peachulemonfr it’s a 40k car idk what ppl are expecting you can simply upgrade the oil cooler

[@1.8T20V]

Ever since the FK2‘s turbo introduction these Type-R‘s had severe difficulties with temperature and overheating. FK8 wasnt much better either in that regard. Friend of mine has a black FK8 with a few hardware mods including a proper Intercooler and an Intake (i believe wagner for the intercooler and intake was eventuri too if i remember right). He‘s running about 360ish bhp with a tune. One Lap of Hockenheim sent the oil-temp up to 150 degrees celcius too and he went out to the pits after the lap. The car smelled like it was on fire we were genuinely worried

[@jhs23]

I think the intercooler is the problem.

[@jhs23]

@@Phil_Moni because is closing the air flow to the radiator.

[@jhs23]

@@Phil_Moni yes I think so, but air intake temperatures will be higher.

[@mohis5664]

@@jhs23 lol are you really saying a known aftermarket has a worse intercooler than stock?

[@jhs23]

@@mohis5664 you can see air intake temperature around 50 degrees. No problem with air intake but water and oil temps very high. Same problem with Megane 3 rs.

[@hazepheno925]

In some of the footage of Misha driving the car in the parking area, the Oil pressure is hitting 70+ psi over 2000 rpm. When they were having issues with the car, the Oil pressure was never getting above 45psi even close to 8k rpm.

[@tocsa120ls]

#1 dat shift :) #2 seems like this needs the exact same upgrade the previous CTR needed: remove/replace all fake vents in the bumper... it needs all the air it can get.

[@tannick2779]

There are no fake vents on this new one, all are functional and lead somewhere

[@Sinoops]

The air flow itself is not really a problem on the FL5. Stock for stock there is way more volume going through the front radiator compared to the FK8. It's the oil cooler that simply is not up to par.

[@ColtonboughnerS]

There aren’t any fake vents👍

[@tttpods]

Ex FK8 owner here. Heat management (or lack thereof) has always been the Achilles' Heel of FK8 for track use. You can add coolers but IIRC the front-facing turbo and compact engine bay packaging forced the downpipe to be right behind the radiator stack --- maybe good for emissions, but bad for track. Not surprised at all to see (almost) the same symptoms here. The stock + consumables car was already a blast to drive, until it forced me to cool down every other lap :(

[@THESHADOW97139]

Hello What is the grade of the original oil?

[@papatonys]

This one has been tuned for more mid range you can see it's running more boost than stock. Could partly explain the high temps. Other FL5's seem to handle the ring fine.

[@THESHADOW97139]

@@papatonys he is stock

[@THESHADOW97139]

@@papatonys From everything I read here and there since this video, this engine needs to breathe and this at all levels ... Honda seems to have planned this car for the road, not for the track lol

[@papatonys]

@@THESHADOW97139 Where are you reading this? Probably talking about the older FK8 model. Anyway, stock FL5 handles ring fine, look up other videos and check for yourself.

[@DennisfromMunich]

Great driving and fast car aside, not looking at the gearing or the temp issues there’s one thing that stands out for me: the color is 10/10! Love the spec of that car. The shift beep would drive me nuts though!

[@fuckdelasouledublues75]

I think you can disconnect it

[@azelic8190]

Do you know the name of the color by any chance?

[@TheJorge100]

@@fuckdelasouledublues75 dont need to do all that. You just turn it off in the infotainment settings

[@STIKSTOFTOTDEDOOD]

The spec is so terrible! Ugliest FL5 I've ever seen.

[@strait6]

Seems very strange that for a car that is supposed to be trackable you first need to upgrade the cooling

[@ciello___8307]

Most road cars still need more cooling for the track. Its because car makers need to make sure theres not too much cooling for the road

[@frieddayfriday]

i think that's normal for japanese tuner cars. cant say about others coz i only have experience with nissan, honda, mitsu and subaru.

[@aaryeshg.6526]

Bruh its 24°C over there in Germany and the oil is nearly toast. Here in Dubai, temps top at 50°C in the summer we are in right now, and for the first time we got the Civic Type R here, FL5 ofcourse. The previous gens were never offered here. So now the question is how will an FL5 CTR handle our temperatures here in normal, slightly spirited, driving....

[@6thEement]

With the previous the FK8 even with quite a few cooling modifications it would still have overheating issues. I was hoping with the longer under hood area it would have better airflow and cooling but clearly not lol. Almost seems like having the downpipe right at the rad and intercooler causes it but idk.

[@koastal312]

​@@ciello___8307 thats complete bs, not having a oil cooler , trans cooler etc is purely to save money, they figure 90% of owners wont actually track these and will never notice.

[@niklaspetersen4936]

"beep boop" that would get annoying quick

[@MrAuhue]

😂 zum glück ist fk8 vor facelift nicht so

[@blase1407]

Ah man reminds me of the RX7 in grantursmo. Makes me hate running it lol. *REEEEEEING*

[@39rbn61]

you can turn it off

[@Rush_Motoo]

I actually like it😂

[@mrmorizofan7001]

Good and informative video. prefer this kind of videos to the generic happy smile perfect world because from these you learn alot, not just egoboosting. I drive slighly modified GR Yaris and have addressed the cooling of engine (extra oil cooler) and brakes (HRNS cooling kit + ti shims), still car has issues on hot track, especially with brake temps. Nowadays building a economical car for commuting vs track car are so different recipes that it is very difficult to do both. Then again, like adding super big water to air heat exhanger and manage the flow with flaps could be good choice for track cars, though haven't seen many such being used (maybe with BMW?). Haven't driven Honda but I like how informative and clear the dash is - must be a fun car to drive and own!

[@nismoa5728]

The oil temp is crazy😅

[@racker5108]

ikr my 335is never goes above 110C but then again the ring is definitely a torture test. Would love to take my car there one day

[@STIGRS]

@@racker5108 The small turbocharged engine with big output tends to suffer from high oil temp. But 150C, wow that's another story.

[@DuckMcDuckinson]

I have a 2015 428i same type of motor and I use 0W-40 oil in it AMSOIL European Formula and never has the oil temps gone above 250 after abusive driving and they tend to be around 235ish. The car did cut fuel once but I raced a mustang GT on the interstate once doing … mph for miles upon miles and the car never went over 240F. I’m talking Fahrenheit not Celsius.

[@Rs3mocha]

​@@STIGRS150 c is 300f? 300 degrees??

[@zombieguy3000]

love the camera positions on this one

[@FreestylerAlbert]

The oil temperature is a CALCULATED value. There is no oil temp sensor in this engine. But still can't be off by 10-20 C so.. it's freakin hot.

[@detaart]

Yeah, some cars have an actual oil temp probe, but most are calculated. However, the oil pressure was around 3 ish bars at the red line towards the end of the first lap. RIP turbo lol.

[@VladooDIY]

how it is calculated ? I mean, how does it work ?

[@muvit817]

@@VladooDIYit's based on the water temp.

[@VladooDIY]

@@muvit817 on the water temp ? On my gt86, oil and water can be very different. Thank you for your answer.

[@k.richard2775]

@@muvit817 yes, and the water cooler on the front with a big dream IC . Now calculate :)

[@1coleman8]

Wow, that is really good corner speed and heavy throttle application through the Hatzenbach complex! Especially straight out of the gate on cold tyres. Ive never seen a FWD car taking those corners so quick with so much throttle.

[@derbigpr500]

Then you've never watched any Megane RS onboards, because they're quicker.

[@1coleman8]

@@derbigpr500 in a straight line yeah, the RS has more power and it's lighter, but not through the corners. That's no surprise through when the Type R has an electronic front diff and 265 tyres out the factory. The megane has stupid hard suspension, to a point it doesn't even help on track, just causes more understeer. Plus my last RS just rattly and constantly breaking and giving lots of (admittedly simple to fix) problems. I hated it.

[@florijankuruc4327]

@@1coleman8the RS have 300 HP and the type r 320

[@ulysses4989]

@@florijankuruc4327 Weight>Power

[@adriansoul7223]

Objectively verifiably untrue. Wtf you smoking.

[@tunerevo]

Is the first gauge for Water temp, as it reaches more than 100 degrees most of the time. It definitely needs low temp thermostat and cooling setup upgrades

[@nickmanhota324]

Its in Celsius, 100c is boiling point, the coolent got to 125c should be ok as coolant mix had a higher bp but that headgasket 😅

[@tunerevo]

@@nickmanhota324 well to the lower the better, specially the honda record had the car around 95 degree all the time

[@TheDarkSib]

Low temp thermostat won't do anything either than circulate coolant earlier. This car needs an upgraded radiator, or oil cooler. The car has a problem getting RID of the heat. A lower temp thermostat won't solve that. A bigger, more efficient radiator or oil cooler will assist with that.

[@detaart]

@@nickmanhota324 Coolant circuits are pressurized, and thus push up the boiling point. The actual boiling point is probably like 150C on the coolant, but yeah the pressure would be up there. It's definitely high.

[@detaart]

@@TheDarkSib Exactly.

[@CubanRider]

Oil temps aside, what an amazing car to drive .

[@TonicofSonic]

Beep

[@jmoore9806]

Yeah that it is an amazing car.....beep.....couldn't help my self

[@kraxel9790]

It’s I piece of shit, better buy a Porsche

[@Chpspsa]

Jdm fans live at their own world of fantasy… you can rent a vw up 80hp and will be fine at Nurburgring going it to the limits for one lap at least , and your Honda track focused car can’t go 2 minutes in Nurburgring without problems, and the jdm fans don’t accept the reality that is an awful car and unreliable , also the sti etc… Jdm is back decades from the Germans

[@fucking_smooth]

@@ChpspsaNot every Japanese vehicle is unreliable; the Toyota Supra and Hilux, for example, can be put through hell and will keep going.

[@RustyRussell_YT]

Honda cars with Type-R badge were always associated with agility and endurance, you could rev them out for laps and not give a F***. Kind of sad to see this one overheat so bad..

[@harry6048]

yeah I kick mines head in all day everyday & never any issues.

[@robsenb16]

@@harry6048 As long as it has enough oil you can rape it every day. Love these cars

[@Jan07362]

Thats what happen when you mess around with diff setting its called😅 r&d

[@iwillnoteatzebugs]

modern cars are garbage

[@Sunandstar13]

Older Hondas were wayyy better. Eg/ek

[@sparkplug964]

That new Civic Type R runs very hot on track considering it was not on a map, would invest in an intercooler and radiator.

[@GulliJ]

Wow need to insulate this CAI quickly! It suvk all the hight temp air around and engine is so quick to get hot ! Almost as Misha 😁

[@CharlieboySLONDON]

What a lap ! The front end grip and rotation makes this look like with a bit more power some big cars would struggle to keep up.

[@gravic00]

*beep* *beep* *beep* (SHIFT) *BEEP* ............... *beep* *beep* *beep* in all seriousness, impressive as usual boss man....car looks solid

[@raven_ctr8320]

Definitely there is a problem with the car. With my Type R FK8 that I had, I installed an oil temperature gauge and it wasn't never over 125° degrees. The 125° was reaching driving tospeed for like 10 minutes or passing a few cars in a one lane direction road in Greece, while outside it was 39° degrees.

[@steffenkawa8374]

You get much more cool air at top speed, also no cars on front. On the race track you drive slower and have less cooling.

[@mdev8846]

There is not same: Track days and top speed...

[@raven_ctr8320]

@@mdev8846 Sure I don't wanted to compare it. I'm just sure that the system took at 125° some engine power so it doesn't climb more than that. A behaviour engine and software wise should be in the FL5 too

[@ElisaandZixi]

@@raven_ctr8320I was in a couple stock fk8 on the tracks , the oil temp definitely climbs over 125 after a few laps at a tighter track. Tho an oil cooler easily mitigates the issue

[@dartfield4655]

something definitely up with that engine, I just saw the official lap, the water temp never reached even 3 digits, either the real production cars have a design flaw, since I see a lot of comments reporting this issue as a "common thing", or his car have a problem... +120°C water temp is waaay too much since oil heat up more... not only for reliability, but performance wise it is also a problem. anyways, it's something Honda must know well since they fixed it for their lap... but for a stock engine on a sports car, it is not serious, more importantly from Honda, they're losing a bunch of potencial future customers right here. but that engine must cook some fine french fries, I'll give 'em that.

[@AshtonCoolman]

It has a great color combination with the wheels. Please upgrade its cooling ASAP too 😂

[@blackice996]

I'm sceptical about the accusation of shorter gear ratios. If you compare the shifting points and the corresponding speeds at Kesselchen, Misha and the record driver Nestor Girolami shift at nearly identical points (3rd->4th 137kph/141kph Misha, 138kph Nestor; 4th->5th 190kph/188kph Misha, 188kph Nestor). They would have to manipulate the speedometer for that to work, and then they would have to manipulate the GPS-Speed as well, because otherwise there would be a huge discrepancy. This would be traceable via numerical integration (you would only need someone with a lot of boredom to note the speed of every frame, or someone using a video tool to log that automatically). My point being that they likely did not change the gearing, but probably the boost, bc at their slowest point at Bergwerk, both had nearly identical speeds (Misha 105kph, Nestor 108kph), but only a few moments later at the curb at 8:21 in the video, they already had a difference of over 30kph. With this being nearly untraceable, i suspect that they've gone for that option

[@94tegLSatMSC]

I went to the point in the video you were talking about around the 8 minute mark exiting Bergwerk starting the climb up the hill. The record lap car for sure exits a smidge faster but it definitely climbs the hill faster under the power. I was inclined to agree that maybe Honda modified it for a little more power, but then I realized the oil temps were already through the roof at almost 300 degrees on the car Mischa is driving. At those temps the ECU will be pulling a ton of timing, reducing power up the hill. I've tracked a lot of FK8 Civics and they definitely fall on their face hard at those temperatures. So maybe more likely they have cooling mods on the record setting car, or maybe the modifications on the car Mischa is driving hurt the performance and cooling more than it helped it. Mischa should ask for someone's all stock FL5 on the OEM Cup 2's and send it, with real data to see the comparison to the stock car.

[@bhnane]

What an M chase in 2nd lap. So nice

[@dreeary9475]

I remember FK8 had the exact same issue, either oil too hot or coolant running too hot, stupid how new gen still had the same issue, just bring back the NA K20 back at this point tbh, when honda engines are actually bullet proof.

[@talhaasim1710]

150°c for any type of oil is fkn insaneeee☠️☠️🚀

[@ApothecaryTerry]

Nah, it's ok (too low really) for fryer oil 😄

[@alltheboost5363]

I'm pretty sure it got to at least 160 if not 170. The oil temperature sensor quits reading at 150. I actually think that's hot enough to deep fry.

[@digisuboob]

the FK8 honda R had cooling issues as well, here in australia the type R's would regularly be sitting in the pits when it got hot. I actually bought a i30N because of it. Lots of people were hoping the new model would have solved this known issue.

[@Shay.827]

Yes oil temp need addressing asap. They raises very quickly even on the beginning of the lap 2 just a few seconds into the lap. Very strange...

[@RatBürgerSk8]

Honda CTR should always be NA for track endurance purposes. I know forced induction is the easiest way to gain power while the Civic gets heavier due to safety regs, but it takes away some of the spartan appeal the earlier drivetrains had. Apart from my griping, the chassis seems well balanced and rotates off throttle like a performance Honda should.

[@MrKrampyHands]

Love that turbo noise and this car handles like it’s on rails but the fl5 and fk8 are already known for that so I’m not surprised although that nitron suspension is helping I’m sure

[@nollienick1121]

It’s the one mod I put on my fk8. The whooshes are the best haha

[@nateTrh]

People complained about the last type R overheating so Honda "upgraded" the rad and oil cooler. Seems like it's still not enough lol.

[@Jasber]

Of all the modern sport cars i think i find the type r to be one of most appealing choices!

[@fuckdelasouledublues75]

Just bought one, I tell you, that’s a great choice

[@Altesego1]

Unfortunately too expensive in comparison to the last Type R

[@imo098765]

Because its actually Honda doing a proper Type-R after years

[@redarmy1778]

@@imo098765 boiling oil and engine management lights, give me an ep3 any day

[@saycero]

Too big and heavy and uglier than older versions imo.

[@bor.is.coffee]

You must put thermal tape on the downpipe. Right next to it is an oil bath. Therefore it overheats. The exhaust is extremely hot.

[@andyspencer1665]

Those oil temps climbed quicker than the speedo! Holy! 😂

[@PR1NCETD0T]

it did lmao, after the first couple of mins it jumped from 80 to 100.

[@vti21]

It needs a biger Watercooler, biger oilcooler and a biger intercooler. Also needs biger downpipe and exhaust, to reduce the exhaust backpressure. Intacke Filter needs to be on a better Place to get more fresh Air. Also Open the frontbumper to get more Air

[@mdev8846]

You are wrong, a bigger intercooler cover radiator...That's no good idea.

[@Jimmy_on_the_sticks]

Fucking hell that second lap following the traffic was superb! The over take on the older blue hatch was great on the corner👊 The FL5 looks incredibly capable

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

When my Camaro 5G was still stock, I spent much time on the Nurb and I've nveer got so high temps...

[@DxCBuG]

at 120°C i started watching the gauge - was really impressed that it went out of the sensor range but still kept full boost and oil pressure :D

[@FrankieTurbo1984]

well in the fist lap it did start at 67psi@ 88c back to 43psi@ 150c+that is the reason why 150c oil isnt great

[@themusicofweb]

Second lap was night and day better. Thanks for the content! Your way to talented!

[@thegamepz]

I’m surprised it didn’t start to lower the boost when coolant temp went past 120 and oil over 150. I was expecting 8-9psi at most. I have stock Ecoboost mustang and not even on a race track you can push the temps on the higher end of the scale to the point where it starts to limit the power( less boost and probably retards the timing or just limits the throttle input to 80% I don’t know but you can feel it )

[@StreamwaveProduction]

Sold my FK8 due to gear grind issues. Wild to see that this car now has different issues. They don't make them like they used to

[@volvo09]

What gear? It's funny how Honda can't seem to get away from gear grind issues. I still have my 09 Si that I bought new and those were pretty notorious for grinding 2nd gear if you revved 1st up to redline (8300), it would just instantly grind and you'd miss the shift and look like a fool. I just lived around it by rarely ever revving 1st all the way up. I ended up supercharging it anyways and it will just spin the tires in 1st anyways, so it keeps me from revving it too high and grinding 2nd 😂

[@BushidoPhoto]

253 degrees F coolant temps and around 300 degrees oil temps are insane!

[@oil1252]

holy $hit

[@brandonharlow7067]

New to your channel and I gotta say I am astounded at how many people leave loose items in the car when they give it to you to drive. You can see the disgust on your face for like half a second but you really do a great job keeping your cool. You also do amazing in traffic there. I am jealous both of your driving ability but more so of your temperament

[@Steve30x]

That car needs a better oil cooler. The oil was at 149c by the carousel Also on the first run the dash did show a warning a little bit before it lost power. It flashed a few times on the left of the speed.

[@mdev8846]

What oil do you recomend to him ?.

[@cpcxgsr]

Was that the reason why the emergency blinkers keeps coming on?

[@B0bik]

​@@cpcxgsrno it's there to tell people behind you that you are braking hard.

[@cpcxgsr]

@@B0bik interesting feature. Was wondering why the emergency blinkers keeps flashing. I didn’t see him touch the button.

[@mickeydrippins6408]

So disappointed that this is still an issue. My previous car was a facelift FK8. Same problem at ambient temps above 25c - overheating in about 8 mins of track work. Limp mode after maybe 10 mins.

[@2zz98]

Not only the car but also the rate at which the oil temp was climbing seemed quite sporty You would guess that those R branded things would come with big oil coolers.

[@tannick2779]

It ain't about the size of the coolers. I believe someone said it's because the turbo is so close to the radiator and it cause the whole engine bay to overheat easily same as previous gen fk8

[@sikcivic80]

I have a FL5 and the first thing I did was turn off the rev limiter beep!

[@HugoAraujoRacing]

The temps going so high is incredible in such a new car... wonder if something wrong at the termóstat... bring back older cars 🤣🤣 jenifer do not overheat hahah 👊👊

[@DenHvideHund]

they look very much in the danger zone. Water temp is also way to high. Not optimal cooling of that engine, by far.

[@HugoAraujoRacing]

@@DenHvideHund that, the gear ratios....is like misha said... another proof no way the record car was stock...

[@Fahadfk8]

It's a bad design because the turbo is infront of the engine, cooking the block and the radiator

[@bryanlomo9897]

funny thing is honda said they have the new airflow design to solve the overheating problem from the previous gen. Apparently it does not solve the problem

[@shahrozalijafri8816]

Just remove the thermostat….

[@Zcypot]

All that fancy dash design and no big pop up for when it matters. Crazy seeing the oil pressure drop as it gets hotter. I dont have after market oil temp meter so I always go based off my oil pressure to see when the oil is fully warm. at operating temps I get 80-90psi oil pressure at WOT. This civic is at 56psi 7:40 mark :O

[@EndstyleGG]

Woah that colour is incredible

[@Simk1d]

Those temps even caused oil pressures to drop to 42psi, Thats CRAZY compared to the next morning at 77 psi. Car really needs and oil cooler.

[@bivekdas9541]

Hi Misha,the footcam looks good and informative with the videos,would be happy to see them consistent with every cars and laps :D great content!

[@RafałFatyga]

The hazard warning lights on hard braking setting must be configured in the body module BCM so that they do not come on every time you apply heavy braking. Turn off this gear shift sound at 7k RPM. An experienced driver does not need this because he hears the engine and knows when to change gear.

[@stygmartyr]

Oil pressure was higher on the second lap at the same temperature. Wonder if they were running a lower viscosity oil before the oil change.

[@Scotty-vs4lf]

or it was the same oil but its viscosity was lower due to the overheating, so when they changed the oil it had different properties

[@maatu_boe]

they changed the oil

[@detaart]

@@maatu_boe Yeah pretty sure they changed the oil. Oil pressure was around 3 bars at redline towards the end of the first lap. That's too low. That oil was cooked. Also, in lots of modern cars they run these eco low viscosity oils from the factory for fuel economy and emissions reasons, my nd2 came with 0w20 oil for example. That's like water. Imagine that at 150c, it'd be completely worthless. Also do keep in mind that in most cars, oil temp is a calculated value. This car might or might not have a real oil temp sensor.

[@jasonstathoom5142]

@@detaart lucky that the oil film resisted

[@detaart]

@@jasonstathoom5142 I guess it mostly did? lol One would hope. The oil pressure seemed higher the second time around, so i'm guessing they changed the oil. If the bearings were toast, the oil pressure would remain low.

[@SerbanTV]

On my VRS230 I got 3x "Oil sensor: workshop" and crazy oil temperature readings in one months. I've replaced 2 oil sensors, now I'm waiting again for the Skoda service. First time they said it's because I drive it too sporty, I was doing 200-250km/h constantly, but now just driving it normally the error is back. When I saw the temp at 150deg, I felt the pain ...

[@CritikalRewind]

18:05 I couldn’t take my eyes off that Toyota starlet, that thing was moving very fast for such a little car and a little engine assuming it’s still a 1.3 most likely turbo

[@MB_Veteran]

Yep, that stood out to me most in this video, besides the crazy oil temperature and beeps. Civic Type R is a great car don't get me wrong, but it's overpriced.

[@realspectacular]

this guy is a pro at damaging other people's cars what a insane life existence bro

[@henripuustinen4642]

What oil was in it at the time (brand/type/viscosity)?

[@EaziD]

One of my cars is a C7GS 7MT. Love it but I have the same complaint on the gearing. IMO I’d length 1st gear and shorten the rest. Then leave 7th for the highway.

[@KarinHonda]

Honda civic type R‘s are super good, i got a tuned fk8, its perfect

[@tahditon9408]

I have fk2 with 400hp. Just love it 🔥

[@KarinHonda]

@@tahditon9408 nice! Mine has about 380hp

[@jaydee9086]

I bet 14yo girls think you're so cool!

[@KarinHonda]

@@jaydee9086 i bet u r a moron

[@jcsquared1111]

So thankful to sim racing! Got me hooked on GT3 racing and incredible tracks like Nurburgring! Watching you rip on this track and me being NYC and ocean away knowing every turn on it befor you get there still blows my mind! Bravo!! I have to hop the pond and do this 1 day!

[@indika4274]

Oil Temp ----°C ! Crazy ! We're good at making fries!

[@JuelZ925]

😂

[@detaart]

lol

[@dw2176]

well any final thoughts I had about buying one of these went out the window seeing how poorly cooled this engine is. 20w oil doesn't help but it cant even control water temps shortly after you started. May not be metal in the oil but the coatings on those bearings are surely toast. 20psi lost in oil pressure from oil temp change is crazy when it was already warm. The owner was crazy to let you continue hammering it with those temps.

[@Tom933]

*dog sits in a house with fire* "this is fine" x)

[@dominioprantindo]

9:57 did anyone realize that his FL5 has a boost around 24-25 psi? I think this is what happend to Honda Nurburgring record since this "high boost" that misha reached is because of a lot of turn sorry for my bad english, not my first language.

[@jasontomlinson618]

1st lap last oil temp measured was 150C/302F....... and 121C/249F water Yikes i have watched a lot of your videos it would be a true bucket list item just to go on a couple laps with you pushing 10/10ths your car control is beyond belief simply otherworldly

[@nstylemotorsportsracing1471]

I own an FK8 and the wife has a Hyundai Elantra N and doing track days my FK8 gets super hot! The Elantra N can go full 20 minute sessions without the slightest hint of overheating. Crazy how the Hyundai is a better track car out the box!

[@javieroargubi]

that oil is so hot even the temp gauge says ---😮

[@TML34]

Gauge is like, “well, I guess they don’t care, I’m checking out”. 😂

[@edwardhewer8530]

Watched the oil pressure steadily drop during the lap probably as a function of the oil temp. The real issue to me is the steadily rising water temp, it shouldn't increase over 105. Keeping it at 105 or lower would have kept the oil temp down a bit too.

[@findpurpose8038]

That’s what I suspected too. Coolant issue probably.

[@gaycha6589]

That Yaris on L2 held its own against the CTR who was not passing with GR lifting off. Impressive, especially out of Karoussel

[@davevernon4993]

Get some chips/fries on in that oil. Nice lap Misha as usual.

[@skinnycol809]

misha, please take my manual elantra N around the track, im planning on taking a trip to germany soon!

[@mdev8846]

What good idea !.

[@vellymagagula6490]

It has better thermal management than the Type R.

[@spade7608]

" going straight, even my grandma can go fast"

[@parksed24]

That car rotates like crazy, looks like a blast!

[@joshpodolsky7740]

The difference in oil pressure when oil was at 90⁰ vs 150⁰ was over 20psi. Wow.

[@royprime6635]

After seeing the "stock" Honda lap, I wonder how much HP it was producing and what additional cooling they had on that one?

[@nfspeedy2]

For example the record car had no A/C and therefore no A/C Condenser in front of the water cooler so much cooler temps on track in the first place. Also when you install a larger intercooler you automatically loose cooling surface for the water cooler and the result are higher temps.

[@nfspeedy2]

@@Phil_Moni no I dont

[@nfspeedy2]

@@Phil_Moni dont get me wrong I think Wagner made quality products. I dont think it is a good idea to reduce cooling surface to the water cooler in any K20C1 powered cars.

[@mdev8846]

@@Phil_Moni Yes, of course.

[@nfspeedy2]

@@Phil_Moni ich würde erstmal das Kühlsystem upgraden bevor ich die Motorleistung steigere

[@melsialiaj]

Oil temp of 150+ degrees Celsius is not normal in any car. Neither is water temp of 120 degrees. I guess they have messed up with the mapping even though they report of running stock boost. Were theses temperatures reached from the first lap?

[@the72inc73]

Damn that is a stunning looking Civic! And it puts a shift on too!

[@akshaynyaharkar]

What’s the beep - I think your your parking brake is engaged as per the instrument cluster on right side of the speed And that is why it was not reaching top speeds and the same reason it overheated .

[@TheNismo777]

150?! Thats really up there. I'm suprised nothing broke :)

[@ChuckNorris-ei2mk]

Hahha! The moment u saw that F80 I saw both of u felt that little competition vibes :D. Sadly there was no map on that car, I believe that would have made a huge difference. Lovely video as always! A pleasure to watch, thanks Misha!

[@zaph2o]

That thing is glued to the road, amazing tyres and suspension.

[@dagsparts]

The starlet at 19:40 is giving it absolute socks!

[@The-KeyserSoze]

It was said somewhere by Honda on the release of the lap that The record car was not a stock model But a special version

[@FL5_OGryan405]

What Is the reason this k20 engine has so many issues with overheating? Is there a specific reason?

[@FL50ssp]

Yep... emissions related, do some research. Oh, and you are not going to fix it without big $$$.

[@hyphed4196]

@@FL50sspPeople have fixed it with upgraded radiator and oil cooler.

[@scrutch666]

Ok i guess i keep my s2k and just get a golf r for a daily. Hoped the type r could replace my s2k track car and at least wouldnt need any big cooling upgrades. Wonder if the owner did so ething to this car that causes this issues? Didn’t he mentioned they played with the tune?

[@binskee677]

forever keep the S2000. Or get a GR Yaris, they seem to have not much issues on the track

[@scrutch666]

@@binskee677 yeah i was just at the dealership for the type r and when i said that i changed my mind and keep the s2k he went immediately back to a 15k mark up and i said ciao bella!

[@binskee677]

@@scrutch666 haha yea thats unfortunately the reality. But just keep the S2000 i know many who have sold it and then really regret it, even bought one again for a much higher price. Probably a F20c with a compressor might make HP than the civic type r and be more reliable meanwhile xD. What mods have you done to your S2k? it has a lot of potential to build something cool.

[@scrutch666]

@@binskee677 only the regular stuff to avoid oil starvation banjo bolt etc., spoon collars, konis but will replace now with something better because it has only the linear screws to adjust and not that click system like on öhlins (so i can add one of this extensions since its so difficult to adjust on the rear driver side), tires and wheels, also considering getting hondata to lower rpm for trackdays

[@binskee677]

@@scrutch666 I have the KW V2 Clubsport and it ok, on the firm side. But for serius track use like on the NBR probably a KW V4 Competition would be better. What do you mean with "lower rpm"?

[@matthew4107]

make me wonder if the map is running slightly too lean in high RPM's. as the oil would drop in temp when below 5krpm. but would climb when above 5.5krpm. if the map is very lean up there it could be the cause for the increased oil temps that the stock setup cannot handle. i would check the map again before just fixing the temp issue with an oil rad. just incase.

[@dominicv964]

My god Misha your driving surprises me every time. Excellent job.

[@aaronwaldrop9068]

I am surprised the intercooler can not manage the temperature on the long straights. Because of the thumbnail I watched the temperature and oil pressure the whole time haha. Yeah I would agree with other comments an oil cooler or intercooler upgrade my be beneficial!

[@TML34]

That’s not a factory tune, the car is at 19 psi to redline. Stock tune they bleed off boost as it approaches redline. It’s no wonder the oil temp is off the charts. 🔥🔥

[@HarryG98]

boost will change as there is dependency on fuel type, air quality and the temperature. It is definitely NOT tuned

[@yigitinci5620]

body and trimming colour choices are INSANELY GOOD

[@Js.K20]

Over 150°C oil? Whaaat

[@Jay-sn7wu]

nice run as always but damn this thing needs an oil cooler badly. The factory test run by honda~ water temps were around 97c and oil was at 127c the whole time 🤷‍♀

[@schnoeselderp4953]

That color holy moly .. such a beautiful Car

[@rjnation5042]

I think you proved your point about Honda's lap, great colour & laps you did, & the owner isn't a bad looking fella ether, Rj in Oz