Lessons a Non-believer Can Learn From God (Exodus Clip)

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In Part 3 of "Exodus," Jordan and a group of religious scholars, writers, and artists pour over chapters three through six of Exodus. The primary topics discussed include God’s transcendent unity, order and chaos, God’s necessity, faith, a relationship with the divine, and freedom.
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[@mccm4497]

"I am infinitely more interested in what God wants from me than what I want from God" I love it

[@aldencole6714]

We should definitely care about what God wants from us, but we need to recognize that God doesn't need us... we need him.

[@JK-uo3pd]

Amen. Prager the only one close to representing God biblically here. The rest were just speaking like a bunch of new agers

[@gailhill8391]

@@JK-uo3pd If Prager wants to know what God wants him to do he's going to have to read, understand, and believe the New Testament. THEN he can act and speak accordingly.

[@JK-uo3pd]

@Gail Hill Sadly Jordan exposes himself at the 1:09 mark saying he leaves God out as much as possible. What a prideful statement to suggest that anyone can just “add in God when suited” God is sovereign and when I say God I mean the Trinity - Jesus Christ of whom is not mentioned once here…..also very telling. These new agers are just creating their own god. Jesus Christ name above all names. The only Living God. King of Kings and Lord of Lords

[@gailhill8391]

@@JK-uo3pd I think Jordan plays his cards close to his vest and I see nothing wrong with that. Was he saying that in his discussions he tries to leave God out of it? It's your job and mine to proclaim the name of the king of kings and lord of lords: Jesus Christ. Right? And I do proclaim it. However I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Meaning: he is the "SON OF God," not "God." God is spirit John 4.24. God bless.

[@richardaaron4454]

I read The Bible at 15 after I was taught Atheism at a young age. I couldn’t force myself to believe which made me unhappy. Then I studied philosophy for over a decade (over two decades now) and it made sense. What I learned from philosophy was that I should’ve just believed in The Bible and saved myself a decade of studying but that wasn’t my path to God. My path to God was a long and arduous one, I’m just glad I made it to the other side. I now hope to become a pastor one day if I can and help people to be saved.

[@richardaaron4454]

@David R Thank you, Sir.

[@richardaaron4454]

@@BMFstudiosNYC That’s not true. If that was the case then I could’ve read two books and tried to justify believing. If that was indeed my goal. Especially if I read Pascal or someone pushing Christianity but it took me over a decade of studying even though I read Pascal a few years in. I disagreed wholly with The Wager and still do, fear of being wrong does not constitute faith. Other than Pascal (Christian), Nietzsche (Existentialist) and Schopenhauer (Pessimistic Atheist); I mainly read classical philosophy which would be considered Pagan. Not sure how you imagine any of them outside of Pascal could lead me to God, in fact philosophy led me further away from God before I made it back to God. Plato’s Republic and Nietzsche’s The AntiChrist were the first books I read, followed by Schopenhauer who was extremely irreligious. I wasn’t trying to become a Christian because I didn’t believe that I could, so I went down the path of Philosophy instead of Religion, not intending to justify being or become religious.

[@BMFstudiosNYC]

@@richardaaron4454 but you said you were unhappy because you couldn't force yourself to believe. That sounds like motive to me. You wanted to be happy, but why did you consider believing to be happiness?

[@richardaaron4454]

@@BMFstudiosNYC Well I read The Bible at age fifteen after believing what my uncle who was a scientist taught me since I was a child, avid Atheism. “The people who wrote The Bible fasted and didn’t sleep so they hallucinated it all.” He said. When I was fifteen I decided that I wanted to read The Bible because I can’t dismiss something that I don’t understand. I asked my Mother to get me one for Christmas and my Uncle was disappointed that I’d asked for it. I went to his house after reading it thoroughly and asked if he’d even read it and he said that he’d never read it, not even once. The same Uncle told me that the old politicians who never smoked weed and didn’t know anything about it, made it illegal. So I saw him as a hypocrite after that night. I realized that he took something from me, which was a choice that I should’ve been able to make in my own when I was ready to that’s the reason I was truly unhappy. I knew that he was very intelligent l, the most intelligent person in the family but what I didn’t know as a young child was that there is a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Philosophy made me happy, I think there is no greater happiness than making new connections in your mind. Learning and understanding philosophy was the happiest I’ve ever been, the feeling of knowledge increasing by degrees is a happiness that I find impossible to articulate with words. I didn’t need religion once I learned to philosophize, it gives you the religious experience without religion. I think it was when I got heavy into the philosophy of quantum mechanics towards the end of the first decade that I started to believe there was something greater than myself. That belief wasn’t necessary to make me happy though. It’s been an extremely long process and I truly didn’t think it was possible for me to be religious. I felt as if it was simply impossible to circumvent my intellect and believe in something without proof. I never aimed to be religious because I never thought that it was even a remote possibility that I could so late in life. I thought that if you didn’t believe by six years old then you never will.

[@richardaaron4454]

@@BMFstudiosNYC I hit ‘like’ on your question because it is a good question. I could’ve worded my first comment better to be sure. It’s important to ask good questions.

[@robertnervoso771]

I realized that i always treated God like a Butler...... I asked him a Lot of stupid things... This conversation changed everything for me. Thank you ALL!

[@jessebbedwell]

It isn't that we are not to ask of God, but in what we ask of God? Since God reveals Himself as Father, there is a proper request to be made of God which is attributed to His and our position. There are many things a father does of his own volition which is toward the goodness and betterment of the child, but the child is unawares of the direct (or at times, indirect) benefit. But the greatest thing a child can express in asking, is that it be trained to be just like their father (if indeed the relationship is a healthy one).

[@cynthianichole2732]

That's awesome. It was help to me too.

[@gailhill8391]

Too bad Prager rejects Jesus Christ and the New Testament: [Phl 4:6 KJV] 6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

[@esjel9804]

@@gailhill8391 IKR. How IRONIC that Prager can SEE the necessity of God thru considering His absence, but cannot see the ABSOLUTE necessity for the substitutionary atonement of Christ. A covering was needed, not just right action, but a right being which Christ was and is for all who believe. May God show him the absurdity of right standing with God apart from faith in Jesus Christ -- may he see that before he ends up like the man in the parable of the wedding feast who showed up in the wrong attire, and was cast into outer darkness. Prager problem is being too behavioral/ethical in his approach. He only sees religion as important in terms of its practical benefit to this temporal world. I dont see a desire to glorify God in the deepest sense-- from the inside out. At this point he is a pragmatist, Jordan too. And this idea, of God's usefulness, or necessity as Prager put it, is what won him over. He found it irrefutable. That's enough for him, and it frames his thought and reading of Scripture. He likes the ethic. But Jordan is closer because at least he is able to see that Christ is the logos. However, I dont think he is yet to see Christ in His fullness.

[@DH-og5yr]

Queue up the moral panic

[@victoriacarr6685]

As Carl Jung stated, " Without God, State becomes God."

[@Tiipod]

I guess it's Chesterton's quote: Once abolish God and the government becomes God

[@michaelparsons3007]

Checkout the Migration of the Holy (sacred) by William Kavanaugh

[@josephposenecker9741]

@DCA just because a tyrannical king claims his actions are God’s will doesn’t mean that the church or holy people agreed with him. Throughout history as kings/tyrant’s made such claims there were always holy people disputing them. Unfortunately, organized violence, power, has been in control of those most willing and able to use it. The Catholic Church has long debated the idea of just war. It is their official position that there has never been one. The misconception that the Catholic Church was all powerful and therefore anything that happened during its religious reign was ideally how it wanted things to be is just naive and incorrect. The church from its very beginning with Jesus is well aware of what a tyrannical government can do to try and wipe a religion off the face of the earth and from human history.

[@GordGonzola]

How many 'Every OTHER Weekend' "Gods" do YOU know? Are their children the 'same' as jesus?

[@davida.rosales6025]

Only if you're a drone. And yes, most people are drones.

[@FQuintanaMarrero]

What a fantastic debate where everyone politely intervenes without fuzz or rudeness. Truly refreshing.

[@cottonclarksa]

I agree. This "round table" of conversation very much reminds me of PBS programming in the early days - 1970s and some of the 80s - where such intellectual dialog (and respect) were the norm. I must confess that in both instances - then and now - the dialog pushes the limits of my intellect and understanding, yet the gentility of conversation and the social graces that were on full display in this clip have allowed the "hamster wheel in my head" to zoom forward at breakneck speed! I will be deciphering this bit for some time... and it was only a mere 14 minutes! I could never have learned as much in a heated debate, which is too often the norm today. Such displays prove to be nothing more than events of assassinating the character of your opponent. This forum, on the other hand, was built to edify all involved, especially us as the listener but I dare say that each of the participants walked away with new information and/or understandings of issues. What a great forum!

[@hawkenfox]

They did not debate, they are sharing.

[@harkyo]

More like a discussion than a debate.

[@philiph.5113]

What Dennis doesn't understand is we are to seek God's will daily. We are to go to him for all matters. No we don't ask for the riches of this world, but we do ask for guidance, forgiveness, strength, a closer walk with him, and what our spiritual gift is.

[@jeremiahragira7633]

I wholeheartedly agree. The need for a cultural Jesus to only allow for people to act out their divine will isn't enough. There needs to be an active relationship with the divine to ensure the proper placement of their heart's motive. Asking for guidance, forgiveness, strength, and a closer walk with him makes this possible. Without this open communication, individuals run the risk of making the divine will yet another prescription for a surface-level self-improvement guide.

[@gailhill8391]

He lacks understanding because he rejects Jesus Christ and the New Testament.

[@bobgriffin316]

I don't know much about Dennis but I think that is exactly what he is praying for. He wants to know what he should do. He would then pray for guidance and ask what his gifts are so that he can do what God wants. Hopefully he would want to walk closer to God because that would be what God wants for him to do.

[@gailhill8391]

@@bobgriffin316 Which would mean confessing Jesus Christ as his Lord and believing that god raised him from the dead.

[@bobgriffin316]

@@gailhill8391 Yes.

[@drittenberry1]

This is Grandma from Texas. I’m trying to teach my children and grandchildren that we ARE created BUT we are NOT created for HERE and we are NOT created for ourselves. We are created for THERE and we are created for Him. Thank you for everything y’all do. I am SINCERELY praying for y’all. 🇺🇸🙏

[@williambradley6429]

What Os said of turning the world upside down reminds me of Chesterton: In G. K. Chesterton's biographical sketch of St. Francis of Assisi, he describes a time when Francis felt deep discouragement and a sense of failure. He emerged from that experience looking at the world "as differently from other men as if he had come out of that dark hole walking on his hands." "If a man saw the world upside down," Chesterton continues, "with all the trees and towers hanging head downward as in a pool, one effect would be to emphasize the idea of dependence, for the very word dependence only means hanging." Standing upright, we see a world rising on the foundations of our own achievements. Turned upside down, we see everything suspended precariously, dependent on God rather than being solid and secure.

[@chrisriley9182]

This is brilliant. I often get this feeling when lying down looking up at the night sky, as if I'm about to fall off the face of the earth into the vastness of space, "what is man that you are mindful of him?"

[@fatalheart7382]

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."

[@billoehlschlager6503]

I was brought up in the church but became an atheist at age 16. I looked at the God question as a philosophical question, i.e., if there is a God he's way out there in the universe somewhere and we can't know if there's a God out there or not. At age 27 I started to read the gospels and eventually realized that all those years, not only did I have the wrong answer but I had the wrong question. The question is not, is there a God way out there in the universe somewhere; the real question is who is Jesus Christ. I eventually realized that the only possible answer to that question is that he has to be the Son of God.

[@lounaannajung4454]

I came to the same question but from a different path. It's surprisingly common for people (at least around me) to not even sit with that question of "Who is Jesus Christ?" It should be on everyone's mind though, since even if you only think He's "just a human being", He's still the most famous human being for over two thousand years. However, everyone thinks they got Him all figured out 🤣 even though He's (considering only His humanity) on a completely different level than them. Yet they dare to just put Him in a box and "get busy" with something "more important".

[@dannyreborn]

Amen

[@jessie6600]

I have a question for you. Why not ask “who is Muhammed”? How do you choose between the two supposed prophets?

[@KevinMarshall757]

@@jessie6600 You could ask both questions and you'd find that if you are serious about trying find the answers the choice of who to follow becomes an easy one to make.

[@jessie6600]

@@KevinMarshall757 I dunno, I looked just a bit at both and it’s kinda hard to judge. Mostly cuz I look at the millions of people who love either one, and the millions of Muslim families who SWEAR by their guy versus the Christians who do the same. Even the guy in my profile pic is a Muslim and seems to be one of the most honorable people I’ve seen. He’s SUPER Muslim! So I don’t know which to believe, it isn’t easy for me

[@johnbugnoii]

Always believed in God. Saw the universe - the heavens and the stars as a boy and said to myself how could there not be a Creator with this absolute grandeur. I would fall away in my Christian faith as I got older and in college, but always believed in God, but viewed Him as a great grandfather busy with other things and not me. Oh boy, was I wrong. God would answer a prayer, many since then, help convict me of sin, which lead me to realize my need for a Savior, Jesus Christ. I would soon rededicated my life to the Lord, Christ then freed me from an addiction on the day of my baptism and my life has never been the same. “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32 God bless everyone!!

[@s0ld4u]

Pfft. The universe is much more extraordinary having come about naturally, from infinite possibilities bound by the laws of physics, no god necessary. God is Santa for adults.

[@ELMQ]

@@s0ld4u The universe is impressive by itself, therefore no God necessary. Wild conclusion.

[@marcocortes9968]

@@s0ld4u the Universe is already “extra-ordinary” thanks to God. It is even more amazing when you know that it exists for a purpose, and it is part of a greater picture which is perfect and more mysterious than what you could ever possibly understand in your finite years and limited human mind. Knowledge that can only be revealed by God. That to me is better than thinking the earth is a coincidence, its creatures go through a life of delusional meaning, and ultimately it doesn’t even matter because all will end in a couple million years for nothing. Also, I don’t think the universe is bound by laws. It would be more accurate to say that both laws and the universe are bounded to eachother. There are no laws if there is no nature to be bounded to. There are no laws if there is no order. Yet atheism suggests order is oddly achieved continuously by what is “disordered”. Which as believer in God we know it isn’t disordered

[@IramCoercere]

@@s0ld4u humble yourself and ask for god and he will show him to you. May god come to your life and open your eyes

[@JaketheJust]

I learned a lot about God and the necessities of God from Christopher Hitchens, one of the biggest New Atheist speakers. I wished he was still alive today, I believe he and Dr. Peterson would have had an astounding conversation about religion, morality, ethos and freedom of speech

[@enriquebaez504]

I find interesting and joyful on the contemplation of him towards God, which hopefully he made a change to believe.

[@enriquebaez504]

@@decimaldan4316 he was in his last days, maybe out of fear, but still was moving towards theism.

[@enriquebaez504]

@@decimaldan4316 i was a devout listener to Willian lane Craig and he stated that by the end he had personal conversations with Will onto the fact he was repenting. The thing about salvation is that he need it to ask himselve for it, hope he did. Smart dude but God never loses, only allows our path to be reach.

[@e_8074]

The more my belief in God grows and matures, the more I love listening to Hitchens. Perhaps it's his sincerity or lucid ability to articulate questions, or even his utter disdain of the Clintons. Whatever it is, I sure hope we both make it to the realms of light because man, I really love the guy.

[@overkill1025]

@Decimal Dan I think we've have learned many of the Christian myths are Jewish traditions. Well I'm not Jewish. I'm Celtic and Germanic. My people do not come from Moses(Egypt) or abraham(mesopotamia)

[@TiredEyePilot]

Jordan peterson said that people didn't like "I try to behave like God exists" as an answer to the question of if he believes in God but I actually really like that quote. I can't say I'm certain that God exists but I want to act as if he does.

[@KevinMarshall757]

I like that quote too but I'm saying that as someone who is convinced of God's existence, where behaving like God exists is what it actually means to believe. I can understand why Peterson would say that as someone who may not be convinced of God's existence but is definitely convinced of God's necessity. I don't know if it makes much sense outside of those two perspectives.

[@macmac1022]

Are you a theist if you are not certain god exists? Theist - a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. JP thinks god is fictional and the top of the pyramid of values. Hes not REALLY a theist, that is why he gets mad and avoid the question does god exist.

[@KevinMarshall757]

@@macmac1022 It seems that JP thinks of traditional stories about god as perhaps fictional in that he isn't convinced those events actually took place but that what is conveyed through those stories is actually more real than things that may have actually happened. I don't think that's quite the same as thinking god is fictional unless you mean fictional in a similar sense that might be more real than something that actually occurred. I suspect he gets mad about that question though because he doesn't like the idea of someone categorizing him one way or another and then dealing with him as though he is not an individual.

[@macmac1022]

@@KevinMarshall757 "" It seems that JP thinks of traditional stories about god as perhaps fictional in that he isn't convinced those events actually took place but that what is conveyed through those stories is actually more real than things that may have actually happened."" Yep, its insanity. By that same logic I can use any story that has a meta meaning behind it that is still something happening today and say the events of the story were so real they are still happening today, like he said to answer his own questions of did the events of exodus really happen. >> I don't think that's quite the same as thinking god is fictional unless you mean fictional in a similar sense that might be more real than something that actually occurred. "" Fiction is the opposite of real. Fiction - literature in the form of prose, especially short stories and novels, that describes imaginary events and people. Real - actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed. Saying a fiction is real is a contradiction. >> I suspect he gets mad about that question though because he doesn't like the idea of someone categorizing him one way or another and then dealing with him as though he is not an individual."" Every theist I have ever asked if god exists they just say yes, no hesitation, its the definition of theist. Most I dont not even have to ask, they just say it eventually. Cosmic skeptic did a really good video about it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a17cgomifdRngKM&lc=UgyidgseyThj5Mwub0V4AaABAg

[@KevinMarshall757]

@@macmac1022 I wouldn't call it insanity, you really could take a work of fiction and extract a meta meaning that applies today and say that meta meaning is still happening. I think though that when there is a concept that is real enough it will manifest clearly in reality and the need for referencing fiction should disappear. I do find it silly that Peterson would basically say he believes in the value of the story and that it is in some sense happening today, but somehow not believe that it happened then. In case there was confusion on my use of "real" and "fiction", what I meant was that there are real concepts that can be found in fictional works. If you want to determine whether or not JP is a theist I guess the question is: would you count what he believes in as a god?

[@matthewr7593]

Also another super interesting thing with Kant, because they touch on the dichotomy between the first critique, where he says we can't have theoretical knowledge of God, and the second critique, where practical reasons says ethics means we need to believe God exists. But the third critique is cool too because it almost combines the first two in aesthetics. Like in nature its so overwhelming and beautiful to us that it feels like it's designed by a God for us and in many ways that's as powerful and convincing as any proof of God.

[@cesarkopp2]

Then you go to the world of physics, biology, chemistry... And then you can saw everything as a delightful symphony of energy, dancing and flowing around the universe.

[@MaryamPirzada]

God Kant is a different beast. Love him.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened." - Jesus Christ in Matthew 7:7-8

[@Ishakexplorer]

Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; it is expedient for that i go away: for if i go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if i depart, I will send him unto you. #John16:7 So who is that comforter? "The Comforter is the HOLY GHOST!''' from John 14:26 "Holy Ghost." ''Pneuma," is the Greek root word for SPIRIT. There is no separate word for GHOST in Greek manuscripts of the new Testament. Comforter which is HOLY SPIRIT"! But the comforter, which is the Holy -Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your rememberance, whatsoever i have siad unto you. #John 14:26 Beloved, believe not every SPIRIT, but try the SPIRITS wheather they are of God; because many false Prophets are gone out into the world. #1John 4:1 You can observe that the word spirit is used synonymously with a prophet. A true SPIRIT is true prophet, and a false SPIRIT is a false Prophet. Hereby know ye the SPIRIT' of God: Every SPIRIT that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God #1John 4:2 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and i will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that i shall command him. #Deuteronomy 18:18 You see the most important word of this prophecy are 'SOO JY IS' (like unto thee), -LIKE YOU- like MOSES, and Jesus is not like Moses. According to Christianty- 1)'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not 2) 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD', but Moses did not. 3) 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but Moses did not. Who is the prophesied prophet like Moses? 1) Moses had a father and a mother, Muhammad also had the same. 2)"Moses and Muhammad were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman. 3) "Moses and Muhammad married and begot children. 4)Moses and Muhammad (pbuh) were accepted by their people. 5) "Moses and Muhammad were prophets as kings. 6) "Moses and Muhammad brought new laws and new regulations for their people. 7) "Both Moses and Muhammad died in natural deaths". 8) "Moses and Muhammad lie buried in earth", but according christianity Jesus rests in heave.

[@djo-dji6018]

The most important thing I learned from God as a non believer was that God actually exists.

[@throwed210SATX]

Dennis is on point! Amen! We should learn to serve God first and foremost. The blessings WILL follow in serving God. Real talk 💯

[@zgobermn6895]

This is a very important conversation especially in this current moral and ideological confusion engulfing Western civilization.

[@HiMotionAndDesign]

I just finished watching the complete series - wow! Can't begin to explain how valuable this is. Watched several of the episodes all multiple times. And will watch the whole series again from start to finish. Thank you DW+ for producing this. If you keep this going and let Jordan and scholars go through the entire Bible, I'll be a lifetime member!

[@hendriksmedia]

"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man." --Ecclesiastes 12:13

[@fox_trot]

I respect you all for doing this.

[@kimstruck910]

Love this series! Can’t wait for the next episode!!

[@faithwackershauser6946]

Gid loves to give our hearts desires and He will heal family and friends when we ask He will never give up on people we,are praying for for their salvation. I'm so grateful to God that He really hears our prayers and is an prayer answering God.

[@Bartisim0]

This conversation nourishes and restores the world.

[@powerfulaura5166]

nah

[@evamoreno8909]

I’ve learned more in this discussion than what I read in days. Great presentation

[@matthewman249]

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge of the Holy One is insight.

[@katyjaxson9359]

Douglas Hedley: Please do more. I'm sorry that this is forward. I saw you in the Exodas series with Jordan Peterson and others. You are very smart, and I and I'm sure, many others would want to also learn from you. Please do not let your wisdom die with you. In great respect, Katelyn.

[@GordGonzola]

Also, Thanks and Respect for 12 rules, was an Excellent eye opener. Words cannot express...

[@ibrahimskandarani118]

I love this roundtable discussion. Imagine the amount of mental growth one could experience listing to such practical intellectuals with great minds.

[@respecteternalbenefits5202]

Brilliant. Love it. Mature discussion!

[@catherinene1111]

anxiety is the response to chaos. Exactly.

[@xDonJuanx]

Regardless of the topic, I will always enjoy the discourse of serious men.

[@VidkunQL]

_"No god; chaos. You don't believe in God? At least understand what the consequence of that non-belief are."_ The tendency of believers to get _God_ and _religion_ mixed up is so common and persistent, that I think it's a feature of religious belief. Religion _must_ suppress certain kinds of rational thinking, in order to survive.

[@jessie6600]

Yeah I didn’t like that statement at all. Cuz what if you act in all the ways a Christian does-the morality and habits-minus the praying and literal belief in God? I would assume that person would reap the benefits of those god-like habits even if he didn’t believe in God. So what consequences is the guy talking about? Maybe Hell, okay, but you’ll be a damn good person up until then

[@lifewasgiventous1614]

Religion and God go hand in hand unless that is you want to throw out all of humanities clues about God and create your own personal God... Never the less I don't think we have to suppress rational though, understanding the limits of rationality is not the same as "suppressing it"..

[@VidkunQL]

@@lifewasgiventous1614 You may not realize this, but you're proving my point for me.

[@lifewasgiventous1614]

@@VidkunQL Not sure how...everything I said is antithetical to what you wrote but If that's your takeaway so be it I suppose

[@VidkunQL]

@@lifewasgiventous1614 Of course I can create a new religion, but do you really think that I can create a deity? *You are not talking about God as if you were talking about something you thought were real.*

[@mark5694]

Many people believe in God ..... But without a Personal Relationship and understanding that he is Sovereign there is no foundation .

[@mitchkiss2456]

I love this, especially the talk about God being a butler. Need more appreciation for what God wants you to do than what you want from God. The different perception from these gentlemen will help you align more properly.

[@franklinochieng4151]

God is the ultimate revolutionary

[@mackblack5153]

Dennis nailed it. Jordan needs to listen carefully.

[@Alec0124]

The preacher man? I was falling asleep when he was talking. :p

[@gailhill8391]

Dennis is WRONG. [Rom 10:1-4 KJV] 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

[@mackblack5153]

@@gailhill8391 You didn't get his point.

[@gailhill8391]

@@mackblack5153 I get his point. He's a natural man, not a spiritual man.

[@jessezogorski597]

“We can notice God if we pay enough attention.” We live in the most attention zapped point in human history. We have a hard enough time giving our friends and loved ones enough attention! It ain’t good folks.

[@AshwaniKumar-yc4jj]

God bless these guys. Much of what discussed in this video has been my lived n breathed experience, i don't need no other proof cos what's more truer than that.

[@debspringchannel831]

I totally agree with Dennis view... In Him ( Christ we live we move we have our being ) Acts 17:28

[@Sojourner24_7]

I'd love to hear the class on "The Sermon on the Mount" if you're willing to share it. 😀

[@skinpalette]

These are AMAZING.

[@johnnylongshlong3677]

As much as I find Jordan hard to follow at the best of times, his opinion on fragmented belief causing anxiety is true. The bible says "a house divided cannot stand."

[@vernonpurdy8607]

God is important when we think what He wants from me. Then I can deal with anything that happens in our days. Denis is correct.

[@doctwiggenberry5324]

I fascinated by these discussions. The experiences I had as a medic in Vietnam taught me that there is a God, as the plea from those who were about to die, was God help me. Whether they were religious or not led me to believe that it was God in their spirit or soul that was crying out to their father for help. Maybe that is a topic for further discussion.

[@billyalexander5645]

Could you ask God why he gives babies Aids, I feel like he could have not done that.

[@JamesIsAway]

@@billyalexander5645 worldly brokenness is caused and created by man, not God. He allows it to exist because it must stand to qualify man’s free will to choose between good and evil and accept the consequences of each.

[@billyalexander5645]

@@JamesIsAway God created aids, humans can't create disease it's a natural thing not, man made. So God decided that.

[@JamesIsAway]

@@billyalexander5645 humans literally created half the periodic table and you don’t think they can cause disease?

[@billyalexander5645]

@@JamesIsAway well it's more like why did God create a universe in which that is even possible.

[@kylemacdowell4470]

Am I the only person who would just like a Peterson extemporaneous lecture uninterrupted to go through Exodus?

[@bunsandbutter600]

I like words from Mr Prager's more, because he only use common vocabulary, and lots of analogy, which make stories on the book so convincing.

[@alvareo92]

I believe he’s going on another of his lecture tours after this

[@cindyscott8470]

Ain't happening like that, accept this .

[@Mshine2]

unfortunately, I think your right

[@bensinor4974]

That would be a bad thing believe it or not. Prophecy "understanding the word of God" is a gift of those in the faith. It is not only not wise but dangerous to listen to someone explain the bible who doesn't actually believe that it is the inspired work of the one true God.

[@bethbluett4211]

I wish our politicians could debate on such a level, listening to each other, looking for truth in what the other is saying, receiving as much as they can understand, adding their thoughts and insights on the matter, thereby augmenting and enriching the conversation etc. I have confidence in persons who show this respect of the other. Everything does not have to be agreed upon without ill will, one upmanship or bypartisan spirit. Its as if each honestly and succinctly puts forward their view into the middle of the round table (brilliant having a round table) for each to take away what they wish from these offerings of insight.

[@TheRobert519]

Personally as a non-believer I find the point that without god that it leads to a live of gaos en despair other nonsense, I personally believe that you don't need a god or religion to live a "good" or mortally" live style. In my view I think that people look to god or religion to get/find strength to do certain things or overcome things, or find hope and love that brings them through tough times and brings them that power that cannot be explained in a normal sense, I am convinced that that power lies in you even with out god or religion. But that is just my opinion just wanted to share my thoughts on this. Have a nice day folks.

[@zacseymore1611]

In your sentence, what do you define the word "good" as?

[@xXxCrazyJay810xXx]

Very Intelligent table!!👍😎

[@MG-py9gb]

You definitely need an Orthodox Rabbi in the mix for this series. They specialize in this field more than anyone one else specially the Hebrew language and the root of the words.

[@craigsmith1443]

Isn't Dennis Orthodox? And isn't he a kind of 'lay' rabbi? He's at least a recognized teacher.

[@MG-py9gb]

@@craigsmith1443 Prager is religious (based on his own words) but a lot of his views are very different from traditional Judaism. Most of the time he gives his opinion and not explain what Judaism really hold wich I think is the real need here.

[@craigsmith1443]

@@MG-py9gb _Prager is religious (based on his own words) but a lot of his views are very different from traditional Judaism_ Perhaps, but if you would give examples it would be very helpful. I have had several Orthodox and Conservative friends, and they sound a lot like Dennis. I have read much of the Talmud, and found that 'traditional Judaism' says a lot of things, including much (at least) of what Dennis says. I can remember a spring-morning walk past a yeshiva on Chicago's near north side, and out of the door rolled a wave of voices arguing over the meaning of a Talmudic passage. Traditional Judaism spends a lot of time figuring out (through disagreement) what it really says. Mind you, I think that this is a strength, for life is like that. Orthodoxy (in both senses) is never a static set of beliefs, especially in a living, relational, active religion like Judaism. And then there's Reformed and Hasidic and Haredi and Dati and Masorti and Hiloni...

[@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision]

more content like this is needed

[@DanFedMusic]

2 Timothy 3:16, All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

[@Moqlnkn]

3:36 - "Ye have not because ye ask not."

[@HowieDewitt7575]

Everyone talks about God, but no one talks about the deceiver of the world

[@areuaware6842]

They are one in the same.

[@GetUnlabeled]

Fellas, the issue is we have ALL been lied to, misled, and controlled from the back room. Without our knowledge. Give people a supportive environment, where they can be taught how to utilize their vessel, have skin in the game, and community leadership, and I promise, more people than you think would definitely choose right instead of wrong, as long as they are not stuck between the past and a soft place with no self awareness

[@jrettetsohyt1]

‘Acting as if’ only gets you so far. A perception of necessity (belief that sth is actually necessarily so (beyond your power to change it, and regardless of its in/justice and likability)), becomes more important/necessary as the costs of that perceived reality increase. Otherwise we will rebel and abandon/destroy it as an enemy.

[@borneandayak6725]

I hope they will publish the whole discussion later in KZbin. I unfortunately, don't have much money to watch it in premium.

[@bunsandbutter600]

It took so much effort to put experts in different fields in this room. But I get you.

[@cindyscott8470]

Daily wire is the platform to access this. No doubt a hacker will steal it later and post on youtube. BUT that is what we are talking about, morality , God. If it is worth it to you, pay the small amount.

[@anchorfastanchor9192]

I have come to believe through my human existence,, that the heart is our personal Holy Temple, where we can find the Love of God... Unfortunately, I also believe the brain is the gateway, which through our own control, either accepts or rejects the evils of the world, to exist within us... Our heart can never control how we think,, but instead can allow us to feel about what we control through our thoughts and actions... I believe that the adversary can never exist in our heart,,, but can dwell in our brain, if we allow it in through our senses,, touch, smell, hear, taste, and sight... I believe what gives all of us humans a fighting chance of being alive,, is the presence of a Holy Temple within our heart, placed there at birth through the Holy Spirit, as an Act of God, an Act of Love, never to be seen by man,, but to be honored through the Belief in Jesus,,, and His Works accomplished here on the earth... Amen, amen...

[@kevinkelly2162]

Oh no! You have caught Petersonism. Words and words and words but no meaning. Drivel.

[@anchorfastanchor9192]

@@kevinkelly2162 I've got wide shoulders,, but to direct anything towards Dr. Peterson, just proves your inept character, with empty thoughts,, so sad...

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@anchorfastanchor9192 So Peterson cannot be critcised? OK Will you praise him for me? Tell me one clever thing he has said here. I ask this all the time and........crickets.

[@macmac1022]

@@kevinkelly2162 JP fans avoid hard questions about JP. Theists avoid hard questions about what they believe. People will even avoid questions about a statement they just made if you can point out something wrong with it. Been researching avoidance of questions by myself for over a year now. I think I understand it now. Would you like to know what I think it is?

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@macmac1022 Yeah, would be interested. I also ask christians what is good about God and they wont answer me either. Sometimes I get some drivel about God being goodness itself. Something else I notice is the weird way these people use language. They talk absolute gibberish but seem to understand each other.

[@redeemerstrikes9522]

I’m grateful that this is available for free.

[@allenbrady8083]

Yes.

[@junevandermark952]

While I was still confused by my religious childhood indoctrination, an Atheist once shared his personal feelings with me. He said, "If I pretended to believe in a god, and the god was real, it would know that I was pretending, because the fact is, I just don't believe that a god exists." That point of view resonated with me as being heartfelt and as honest "as could be." I later chose to become a born-again Atheist, and wanted to be as honest with my self, as that man had been honest with me. Once I was doubtful about the existence of a god, there wasn’t any way to entrap my thoughts where they once had been, as freedom from religion was my only alternative. Now I believe as did Stephen Hawking before he died ... that the universe in one form or another always existed ... no creator or plan involved ... and that suffering of all forms of life always was ... and is ... natural.

[@elinope4745]

The word god means different things to different people. Among the various definitions is one that describes the self, another that means great people and is always to include the emperor of Japan, another that is synonymous with the universe, and many different named gods as well. The word is not well defined because of the wild differences in its various definitions and meanings.

[@di-li]

Очень справедливое замечание. Прежде чем вести адекватную дискуссию, надо определить точно и однозначно используемые термины, хотя бы в рамках беседы. Остаётся надеяться, что эти люди выполнили этот шаг, или им повезло и они всё равно адекватно понимают друг друга. На счёт определения Бога, как Вам такое: "Бог есть источник всего сущего"? A very fair remark. Before conducting an adequate discussion, it is necessary to define precisely and unambiguously the terms used, at least within the framework of a conversation. It remains to be hoped that these people have completed this step, or they are lucky and they still adequately understand each other. As for the definition of God, how do you like this: "God is the source of all things"?

[@Ishakexplorer]

He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

[@davidhawley1132]

In the culturally Christian West, when the average person says God they mean Jehovah, and by religion mean Christianity.

[@elinope4745]

@@davidhawley1132 I'm on the west coast, the average person here isn't Christian and are more likely to mean a hallucinogenic experience probably from drugs when they say god.

[@v11a03]

I think a non-believer by definition can't learn from god. Adequate non-believer would think that "lessons" didn't even come from god, but people with ideology and agenda or because of some other causes. You don't need god to be happy and kind. The idea of god can certainly help, it factually does to many people, but it has no monopoly. So as a non believer, when I hear that there are useful lessons from god, what I actually hear is an attempt to trick me into agreeing that these ideas and lessons are unique to god, unless it is specified otherwise in discussion, which literally never happened for me to hear from a believer. Why tie these lessons to god if we have no knowledge of god?

[@woodlyz]

The full conversations in this series are as interesting as this short clip.

[@fgjhfgjf]

Happy Saturday

[@zacharytuttle5618]

Wish they would of had a couple of atheists to actually challenge some of these points.

[@macmac1022]

I wish I was up there. I have some questions I would like to see them answer.

[@sonkeschmidt2027]

The question is, how much of a point is there to debate if the fundamental presumptions of the debate are by nature contradictory. You will only conclude disagreement.

[@zacharytuttle5618]

@Sönke Schmidt well I would assume they would be talking about those assumptions, but yeah there are already a lot of conversations between Christians and atheists and it usually results in nothing. It just struck me as weird to have a video called lessons for non-believers and not include any non believers.

[@sonkeschmidt2027]

@@zacharytuttle5618 hehe, that's a good point indeed. It comes off a bit wierd =)

[@erickedmondromanharris1549]

Forget believing, try KNOWING.

[@JoviBootlegs90]

"The only thing I know for certain is that I know nothing" this was said by one of the greatest minds ever. Think about it.

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@JoviBootlegs90 He knew words and the meanings of those words

[@areuaware6842]

Believing is for the inexperienced.

[@macmac1022]

@@JoviBootlegs90 Socrates. I love using the socratic method, just sucks when people avoid answering the questions though LOL. Also loved voltaire with his dont judge a man by his answers but by his questions.

[@macmac1022]

@@kevinkelly2162 >>He knew words and the meanings of those words"" Its socrates. He said that because he just questioned everything and everyone and found that they knew nothing either LOL. Socrates is on our side :)

[@maxb4057]

fascinating , please continue

[@chanisecarvalho5869]

Love what Prager said ...what does God want of me ...

[@Evan-yl4rs]

I'm disappointed Kanye west wasn't invited.

[@darrennew8211]

In other words, acting as if something exists that doesn't is good for you. You must lie to yourself, rather than facing reality, you pretend there's someone external helping you out. Personally, if chaos is intrinsic to the world and to people, I'd rather deal with chaos than believe in some supernatural entity that will deal with the chaos for me.

[@matthewr7593]

I don't think it's so black and white because it's not act as if something exists but you know for sure doesn't, it's act as if something exists that perhaps you have a deep intuition of and that maybe theoretically you're on the fence about it. Most people can't have devout faith but says that knowledge wise they don't believe whatsoever.

[@darrennew8211]

@@matthewr7593 I know for sure it doesn't. I'm not on the fence. I have absolutely no reason at all to believe in the existence of the god of the bible, and many reasons not to. Also, if I actually wanted to follow the actual word of the bible instead of some feel-good alternative that fits my own morality, it would be a pretty awful place. In other words, most people who have what most people would call good morals and blame it on god are doing just that, rather than acting in the way their god is documented as wanting them to act. Just look at the earlier "everyone who abolished slavery did it because they were religious, regardless of what they actually claimed was their motivation." Sure, except the god of the bible actively promotes slavery, which is conveniently ignored or rationalized away.

[@darrennew8211]

@@docwhat8370 And what the evangelical christians you're talking about were saying directly contradicts what's in the actual bible as laws from god. If you say homosexuality and slavery are both bad, it's because (A) the bible is self-contradictory or (B) you're not really reading the bible. The fact that the people advocating for something are christian doesn't make the thing they're advocating for a christian value. And yes, I can say for a fact god doesn't exist. That's how facts work. We have plenty of evidence that the god of the bible doesn't exist, as well as being logically impossible. Everyone who has the burden of proof has failed to meet the burden of proof. We've looked for evidence of god and not found any. I can equally say that I can say for a fact that there's no oak tree growing in my kitchen. The only way you can say "you have no evidence that god doesn't exist" is to make all god's existence so irrelevant that no possible evidence could be evidence of god's existence. And why only one god? Why not lots of gods? When you can demonstrate that there aren't two gods, I'll agree maybe there's one.

[@darrennew8211]

@@kevinkelly2162 Yeah. The only actual moral rule the Abrahamic god has is "obey me." There's no morality going on there beyond that. No "wash your hands before you eat" or "don't own humans" or "treat women like real people." Just "obey me" and "don't screw over your neighbors if they live close enough to get back at you."

[@darrennew8211]

@@docwhat8370 If man is made in the image of god, why did god command men to kill, rape, and enslave other men? I have exactly as much evidence for the nonexistence of god as I do for the nonexistence of the oak tree. It's trivial to empirically verify there is no god of the bible - it's called evolution, geology, and cosmology. Also the fact that engineers are hired to move mountains and not priests. The fact that praying for sick people tends to make them more sick instead of less, contrary to the descriptions of god in the bible. The god of the bible makes many, many claims which are false, yet is also generally believed to be omniscient and infallible. Nothing attributable to the god of the bible is actually verifiable fact, and a great deal of evidence exists that all the descriptions of the god of the bible don't conform with reality. Just as I'd expect acorns and fallen leaves in my kitchen if an oak tree was growing there yet I don't find them, I'd expect the world to conform to the designs of the all-powerful who created it but I don't find that. God did not create men in god's form, because men evolved. We know that as a fact that's basically as well-established as gravity and quantum mechanics. Yet here you are saying that god created men from dust, woman from rib, in a magical land where nobody died and carnivores didn't eat meat. I know that god doesn't exist in the same way I know the oak tree doesn't exist - there's absolutely no evidence for the existence of the god of the bible in spite of many people having looked for said evidence. Now, do I know there's no such thing as the supernatural at all? No, because that's too ill-defined to even describe. But once you start attributing behaviors and effects to a supernatural entity, and then you go look for those behaviors and effects, you can disprove the existence of *that* god.

[@Diggles67]

We are divine. We are created in the image of God. Our life’s journey is to act that out to overcome our brokeness/fallen nature. Anything else is madness.

[@nestnnurture]

🙏 thank you!

[@esjel9804]

How IRONIC that Prager can SEE the necessity of God thru considering His absence but cannot see the ABSOLUTE necessity for the substitutionary atonement of Christ. A covering was needed, not just right action, but a right being which Christ was and is for all who believe. May God show him the absurdity of right standing with God apart from faith in Jesus Christ -- may he see that before he ends up like the man in the parable of the wedding feast who showed up in the wrong attire and was cast into outer darkness.

[@captaindanger13]

10:15 i'm sorry for being distracted but man this guy's voice is smoooooooth.

[@Philanthrophxyz]

Prager did nail it on the head when he said many people, believes and non-believers, view or treat God as a cosmic butler. This is in the same flavor as C.S. Lewis famous quote in The Problem of Pain: “We regard God as an airman regards his parachute; it's there for emergencies but he hopes he'll never have to use it.” I will say that though Dennis personally petitioned God only twice (whether that is true or an exaggeration only him and God know), this is not the standard of "living by faith". Prager is correct that we should make our primary focus of prayer to God to be His will and not our own. But we can and are encouraged to bring our needs and even our desires unto Him. God wants to hear from his creation as a good father wants to hear from his child. We may bring our petitions unto the Lord via Christ, but that communion must be built on a foundation of faith, humility, and trust that God is truly good and knows what He is doing; even beyond our ability to understand. This was ultimately the wisdom imparted to Job from the whirlwind. As he said, the notion of God as a cosmic butler is toppled immediately and radically upon any number of relatable examples of heart-wrenching loss like a parent losing their child even after divine petition. What are we to say to such? What are we to make of such? I think there are ways into the question..but trust lies at the beginning and end of the mystery. I leave off with a favorite quote from G.K. Chesteron in his Introduction to the Book of Job (A recommended read if interested): "The riddles of God are more satisfying than the solutions of man."

[@mickhamm9758]

The necessity of life is the pure existence of God’s existences in our lives. If I didn’t have God in my life I would have been physically dead a long time ago. We have treated God as if he’s there for us instead of inviting him into our daily lives. This is the reason our world is in complete chaos. In 1950’s New York City had crosses light up in New York buildings. Now we focus on kicking God out of our lives.

[@edgarrenenartatez1932]

Dr Peterson, dig a little on Pascal's 'Night of Fire' (Pascal, a man gifted with a scientific and mathematical mind, encounters something absolutely incalculable and humanly impossible to categorize, and his reaction was just stunning!).

[@relaxinghymnsandscenes6652]

Thanks

[@bobobobfellerann4765]

I love Prager's comment "two of the least orthodox Christians, small 'o.'" The comment embodies a tremendous understanding, appreciation and respect for Christianity as a coherent doctrinal worldview from a man who is unapologetically and confidently Jewish.

[@twon1582]

6:08 I like how dude is like “sorry fire talking so long” And everybody is like “nah bro, you got bars!”

[@Adhikpost]

The new info about the American revolution was amazing!

[@williss1192]

I was expecting at least there to be 1 bad egg among these men. But I was wrong. Everyone is contributing to the discussion and was respectful and polite. Jordan Peterson has really been rising more then I expected. Before Dailywire he probably couldn't make gatherings like this.

[@benjamMin278]

Bravo! 👏🏼 👏🏼 Kant is the best critique for the existence of god we have ever encountered ‘a priori’ (??) and mass transcendence, Mass Awakening is the key to saving earth and its people regardless of faith. Faith is just that but faith seeking understanding in a transcendent, omnipresent, Universal G-d is helpful for understanding Universal consciousness and universal themes found in science, philosophy, politics, religion, and art. I am following Master Eckhart here in this analysis but not everyone can heal through light and meditation and prayer is powerful when done in reverence to G-d.

[@StoneShards]

God is a difficult idea that needs to be wrestled with perpetually, continuously in order to be clarified in the understanding. The growth of this understanding is a remarkable journey of being. You become a "believer" by practicing "belief". You imitate the behavior, until sufficient resonant connection to the imitated behavior has been achieved.

[@hilleyify]

Please bring Leon Kass onto this panel he is incredible!

[@jennyharkin9495]

I love these discussions , very learned people imparting very significant insights on the subject . It tickles me to imagine these same men bombing around on jet skis at the ice breaker events before donning their suits .

[@mattmelnarik8718]

God is not an idea. Its what we are. It is being of that divinity.

[@PhilosophyOfNoa]

I need more Jonathan

[@gastonangelini8352]

God is yourself. God is every plant animal or object. God is us We are the creators , our conscience will always reveal the path. You just have to listen God is YOU. Create your reality. Help to change the world for the better I never was a religion person , but right now I understand that this is not a religion problem per se. We havr losed the path (thanks social media ...) of creating the world as we are. Most of society is rotten , that is why the world sucks Because we all are god , and the majority is lost , the world will suffer (and probably we are going direct to extintion)

[@lawrencevandenberg7725]

Church isn't much, as a scholar ship--tacking forth and back to what we've known. Church is passing between our immortal souls, with the fresh supply of our soul's immortal enquiry. We are God--discovering, What Child Is Th is, dwelling amongst us? 🤔 Love only knows! ❤ 🕊

[@Ben-js3jz]

Without God, we all will cease to exist. It’s as simple as that. He holds all things by His word

[@johnpont2442]

If one chooses to interpret the Enlightening Principle of Life as providing orderly distinction, affirmation and moderation for all species, any dysfunctional believing system comes into perspective.

[@shaun9311]

God is love, life is a balance between chaos and order, the scales are perfectly balanced, love / hate are opposites, everything has an opposite else it would be neutral and you wouldn't feel anything, north / south , hot / cold, up / down, left right and so on. :)

[@davidpo5517]

That's pretty New Age. Love/hate are not opposites, they are themselves the balanced ends of a single thing. And life is not a balance between chaos and order; chaos is defined as unbalanced order. Order that is unbalanced starts out as strict and authoritarian, but then eventually devolves into anarchy--chaos.

[@intellips]

If you want to experience the transcendental ideal of God, you need only nurture, hold, and be consumed by the love that bonds you to your child.

[@crassusofrome6386]

I MUCH preferred the format of Genesis. This series seems all over the place.

[@Mr.MarkGuerrero]

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? “I the LORD search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.” Jeremiah 17:9-10

[@abdelaouelbenssimmou1109]

Learn do teach

[@deborahvanderhamm598]

It is easy to believe IN God. But, I want MORE. I want TO KNOW Him! To Love Him well. To Enjoy every aspect of Him, and to KNOW that if I do need something, He WILL provide it. I’m reminded of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who said to King Nebachenezzar, ”If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us from Your Majesty’s hand. But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭3‬:‭12‬, ‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭NIV‬‬ THAT IS the FAITH I crave!

[@lifearttimes]

I’d much rather listen to GOD, than to ask him everyday for something I need. Isn’t that MY job? To BE the creator of my LIFE & narrative? What LIFE & narrative do YOU want to leave behind for your children & grandchildren?❤️❤️❤️

[@oliverman6168]

Without God you are nothing!