LET'S ARGUE: Music Isn't Subjective

[@happymoomoocow]

Saying something is objectively good because of sales numbers might be the most asinine insane take I’ve ever seen on this series

[@blargghkip]

LosPollosTV ghosttweeting

[@16floz]

It's called great music. It's called albums that you actually hear the songs. Not no mysterious shit that you never hear it

[@fortynights1513]

You could say that means it got good word of mouth, or was well marketed. But because something sells doesn’t make it any good automatically.

[@123ghds]

I think there's somewhat of an argument that it's ''objectively'' easier to listen to for most people. That doesn't make it better tho. Just more accessible for a wider audience.

[@BABVSOULEATER2005]

I do think that there are music that it's objectively good and bad specially when it comes to it's message and how that it's influencing on the listener, however the sales point of view has always been the dumbest way of trying to prove a point, like it's Peppa Pig the greatest children's cartoon of all time because of it's sales? I don't think so

[@rossrobbins7707]

The whole idea that high sales automatically means music is good is absolutely asinine. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, etc. don't sell the most albums because they're making the best music - they sell tons of albums because they're marketed effectively. If popularity was a reliable indicator of high quality, McDonald's would have three Michelin stars.

[@zebgf261]

there are way better examples than those two artists. the top song of the year for 1989 was Look Away by Chicago. really, late Chicago is an argument of its own.

[@NathanHautain]

You went with Beyoncé and Taylor Swift, 2 hardworking women that make actual good music instead of naming one of their 100s of copycats (*cough* Gayle *cough*). Seems like a biased opinion

[@brandonayong5823]

At first I thought the comment was gonna say that music is objective based on quality which is true. A good vocal note is a good vocal note and a bad one is a bad one same with instruments but to say that music that sales is automatically good is the most stupid music takes I ever heard 😂

[@antfromupthere1]

its not only marketing but also because their music is incredibly simple and easily consumable by the general public of boring people with boring taste

[@rossrobbins7707]

@@NathanHautain Their music does nothing for me, what can I say? Those were the first examples I thought of cuz I'd seen them mentioned on Twitter today. I could have just as easily said Ed Sheeran & Imagine Dragons, or any of the other bland corporate pap that plays on all the clear channel stations.

[@joel230182]

certain aspects of art can be objectively described but it ultimately is a subjective experience

[@Schellnino1994]

exactly! Music like humans are a paradox! so much of the criteria is absolutely objective! but how each individual values it is subjective. Hence why with a musical education, you start to like music that other people who were similarly musically educated would like.

[@SirArthurTheGreat]

@@Schellnino1994the second part I don’t really agree with but the first half I do

[@crispybanana3198]

amen

[@AndrewRKenny]

spittn

[@WiloPolis03]

Nailed it on the head, very well said 👌

[@Kalitayy]

Music isn't subjective. It's objective based on Melon's ratings. If you like an album, but then Melon said it's a NOT GOOD, then it's NOT GOOD and you *must* magically hate the album after.

[@rcurl44]

These intros have gotten terrifying. I love it

[@fortynights1513]

I liked the bass best personally

[@RainMichieZen]

The outro is even more terrifying 😳

[@sloth321]

How are we going to get melon to review the bloodborne soundtrack?

[@rcurl44]

@@sloth321 By praying to the Old Ones, of course. We'll put the fear in him unless he complies.

[@eliotguerin192]

@@sloth321 I don’t think he will, he’s never reviewed a video game OST, not even normie ones like C418’s Volume Alpha

[@jxomxo]

Anthony: “Uhh, this is a music channel…” Also Anthony: *goes on a mini rant about wiping standing up*

[@TheMaddWatcher]

On the off chance you’ll see this because I don’t often get your videos right when you upload, thank you so much for like this decade or so of music reviews. I found you at the perfect age, and you exploded my mind with such a vast array of music. My wildly varied music taste is almost completely thanks to you. Still to this day you eventually bring up something and I’m like how does he know exactly what I like. And I don’t care if people think this is satire. You’re the best. Thanks you Antney!!!!!!

[@solomonpnq]

What a wholesome comment 🙏

[@theeKPOPlover]

He is also the reason why my I have begun expanding my musical taste! I am still relatively new to his channel and it can get overwhelming at times lol.

[@aarkdel]

Cant believe you didn't unsubscribe, block and report Antney to the authorities after leaking his IP address. This is the worst comment of all time.

[@burkedigital]

Appreciate this earnest comment because same.

[@gefaehrlich]

Antneeeeey 🐜

[@redsteyexpert797]

By the popularity logic, fucking baby shark is the greatest piece of music ever conceived

[@desperatelycravingahamsandwich]

LET'S AGREE: Fantano embracing his inner Yeat with the flannel shiesties should be a continuing thing.

[@BlckPollen]

LeFantano

[@nenish]

Fantonka

[@IIzachBuilds]

His inner thatistheplan comes back once in a while.

[@z.r0.m_0n]

Light to decent 9

[@GDPlmnopLFC]

iii have a headache.

[@Duncstorm]

If we go back and look at popular music throughout history there's only two main eras, Pre - 2011 and Post Malone.

[@Schellnino1994]

xD Dad Jokes!

[@fortynights1513]

What did post Malone do that is emulated?

[@DefenestrateYourself]

daddy?

[@rockingbeat]

I have a mix of Pre Malone and Post Malone on my playlist

[@Designerframes]

Should've said pre Malone and post Malone

[@witheredoceans2535]

The "music isn't subjective" and point to Billboard Hot 100 is quite possibly the most close-minded thing I've ever heard. There's literally the rest of the whole world that doesn't use Billboard and doesn't listen to any music of Western societies. Hell, a lot of music cultures don't use 12-TET (12-Tone Equal Temperament, the tonal system we use in Western Society), and don't refer to the 4/4 time signature as "common time". Some European countries use 9/8 most commonly because it's the most natural for them to dance to. Every type of people that has a unique musical culture, which is every culture, has a unique and rich musical tradition, and a unique and rich music theoretical tradition.

[@tafua_a]

If music wasn't subjective, then The Night Chicago Died and Afternoon Delight would be regarded as timeless classics.

[@flipdiesel9652]

I’ve never even heard a song in my entire life and that’s why this is my favorite podcast

[@owenstephens9108]

“Music isn’t subjective” is the worst take in the history of takes

[@happymoomoocow]

Going by his logic I think we can safely say the Happy Birthday Song is objectively the greatest song in the history of mankind and nothing is better

[@desperatelycravingahamsandwich]

@@happymoomoocow it literally is bro the happy birthday song is both subjectively and objectively the greatest piece of music ever created

[@Mvanhouten83]

I mean most of the takes in this series are 17 year old kids who use Reddit too much and think they’re smart

[@luisconde6201]

@@BABVSOULEATER2005happy birthday

[@luisconde6201]

@@Mvanhouten83happy birthday

[@NickSBailey]

technique and theory isn't subjective but art is, as soon as you get into the creative side it all comes down to personal taste and how you connect with it

[@raveneye73]

Technique and theory are entirely cultural. Traditional music in Asia has a completely different set of theory rules, and drumming techniques in Africa are very different than America. Even in Western music, folk music doesn't follow the conventions of Classical music, and even modern classical doesn't follow the theory rules of earlier styles of classical music.

[@Untoldanimations]

theory isn’t subjective??? what the hell does that mean in relationship to if music is good or not

[@T4llJak3]

theory is subjective tho based on different cultural standards and different subjective interpreation. Western theory likes to be rigid in some circles i guess but thats about it.

[@MaggaraMarine]

@@T4llJak3 Do you think the grammar of the English language is subjective?

[@shadez123]

@@MaggaraMarine That's an incredibly stupid question in this context. There are no parallels between music theory - a broad group of concepts used to describe music - and a single language. Like they have literally nothing in common outside of the vague association with the concept of communication.

[@jamescruz8678]

the funniest thing about the "music is objective because of sales" is that to get those sales in the first place you have to appeal to an audience, and to do that you have to fulfill their subjective criteria

[@InsertCleverNameHere0]

can't believe Let's Argue has lore now

[@keystohellanddeath]

Fantano out here changing his clothes for every question so we get a nice variety of melons. That's dedication

[@teamkockroach4080]

1:02 Some music is objectively good due to sales numbers 2:46 Burger King isn’t even that bad 3:00 Read poetry instead of listening to music! 3:16 You don’t give Sonic Youth enough love 4:31 Standing up to wipe poop is normal behavior 4:55 Danny Brown is putting his sobriety at risk by going on tour so quickly after rehab 6:31 Why is there melon-head but not banana-head? 6:54 Some of your favorite bands have all their kick drums on track 7:54 I love you (followed by burping) 8:10 Nobody over the age of 40 should be making pop punk music

[@Fortnite87463]

STANDING UP TO WIPE IS NOT NORMAL IN WESTERN SOCIETY

[@luisconde6201]

L

[@kodonnell204]

I have a headache

[@brickburger8362]

💀

[@ArchSchizo]

Success doesn't make art objectively good, especially financial success. The cultural aspect of music (as art) goes beyond your assumption of it being some product or commodity. Quality in music, even, is subjective to a degree (unlike, say, a physical material's build quality). Standing to wipe is bizarre, and I don't know what you mean by normal. Its not popular today, its has no historical backing, and humans are designed with squatting in mind (not even sitting.) You can be strange, its fine. You CAN'T insist you are normal just because you want to be. "Normal behavior" denotes commonality, yet standing to wipe has never been commonplace. I appreciate your confidence to speak your mind, however wrong you may be.

[@gerrykoot4950]

the only way any sort of art could ever objective is if the artist and audience agreed on extremely specific things that they wanted which literally defeats the whole purpose of artistic interpretation and expression and would arguably make it objectively bad art

[@basic_chain]

👆

[@Schellnino1994]

there is a LOT of objectivity in art. The word "good" here ins't very descriptive. Usually one has A LOT of criteria for what they use to determine what is and isn't good. BUT, most of that criteria IS objectively analyzable. Play two single musical notes. One will be inarguably softer right? (that's objectivity!)

[@ThelateDomC.]

"Would arguably make it objectively bad" is a funny combination of words

[@ThelateDomC.]

​@@Schellnino1994But such observation is subjective in how it is perceived; how soft it is, its meaning, an individual's familiarity with the sound, reminders of other songs etc. Even the idea of 'softness' isn't concrete, and can never be observed as such.

[@Schellnino1994]

@@ThelateDomC. Using Softeness in terms of music, I dont think you are correct. Softness in music refers to the quietness of a note. We have musical notation to describe its softness. (pianissimo) Whether one thing is quieter than another is generally agreed upon. Certain notes are intertwined with certain emotions. Whether through inherence, historical significance, or social interaction. For example, the Devils interval sounds dissonant and therefore was used in circles that were trying to unsettle people. Whether you like unsettling music or not is subjective. Or how music can calm you through certain notes. Hence why we use lullabys as ways to comfort children and put them to sleep. Certain sounds are inherently reminiscent of certain time periods as they are a product of that time. And obviously there are a few people that music just doesn't work on. But generally speaking.

[@dylanbaron__]

My friend who also studies music told me that the higher your popularity, the objectively better your music. It was such a bad opinion it’s haunted me to this day, this video brought back the trauma

[@S0NAL_]

If music was objective, then that would make Dance Monkey the greatest song of all time

[@Alexander-hi8bo]

WAIT, people DON’T STAND UP when they WIPE!? That’s literally how I’ve done it my whole life and I had no idea it was out of the ordinary in anyway until watching this video.

[@LoyaltotheNightsky]

Gotta stand up to assert your dominance over the poop. Remaining seated is accepting defeat.

[@bubbletea6758]

My thoughts exactly. I was SHOCKED when that take came on, I can't imagine wiping while sitting lol

[@benfrank1564]

I made the switch 15 years ago. I'll never wipe sitting down again

[@DefenestrateYourself]

It’s more of a half crouch than standing. People like Fantano picture someone standing completely upright while wiping which is hilarious

[@waddafugg3072]

i don't get it either. you can't reach your ass very easily while sitting. hell, you might accidentally smear poop on your balls if you wipe sitting.

[@GeneralDioxide]

I’m so happy to see the kick drum take. Especially in metal, it sounds absolutely soulless. What’s supposed to be fast and heavy winds up sounding goofy instead. Please put more bass into the kick drums Please stop sucking the life out of the rhythm Thank you

[@Leogun94]

What metalsong would you say is a good example of this?

[@noahleach7690]

I like a lot of archspires writing but their drums can sound goofy as hell

[@eX1st4132]

OK Fenriz

[@theslugboiii5969]

Big agree with the standing up to wipe take. Can get a proper vigorous wipe doing it

[@just2watch1clip]

The skit at the beginning was high art. RIP Let's Argue Bandit

[@just2watch1clip]

Also I have a headache

[@hannahkozlovic1715]

I would honestly argue that music as a whole broad spectrum is one of the most subjective art forms that there is. Even if you were to break music down to the most basic categories of specific aspects of music that can be measured on some kind of scale, such as cleanliness of production or technicality or complexity or anything else, you’re still going to have people that prefer different levels or styles of production. You’re also going to get people that don’t like overly technical things, or overly experimental, unique or weird things. You’re even going to get people that just don’t like the sound of a certain instrument or vocalist, regardless of their personal talent. Even if that person didn’t base their statement off the absolute least important aspect of music as an art form, their argument still holds absolutely no water.

[@Schellnino1994]

RateYourMusic has a great article on this everyone should read called "Objectivity vs. Subjectivity in Music: The Ultimate Guide and Solution"

[@AgnusDei695]

really rateyourmusic? thats one of the worst sites and community to know about music

[@Schellnino1994]

@@AgnusDei695 i dont know much about the website honestly, but the article is actually very well done!

[@JoshFloor]

Such a stellar 3 act play, Art-thony House-tano! I haven't been so moved by theatre since the one man play "Me Preparing Egg"

[@bagel1]

Let's Agree: This new editor Anthony hired is making the videos much more engaging and fun!

[@DarthNoswad]

I was really hoping melon would defend us standing wipers 😭

[@nremac]

For real. I don't know how the hell anyone stays fully seated while wiping.

[@mattmandg6524]

For real, Gotta lift and hover, don't know how else it's done

[@jayjaybirdsnest]

Imagine sticking your hand inside a toilet 😂

[@coreyclark2179]

He's lying, Melon is too thicc to not cover the whole toilet hole. Like how could he reach around that thicc thicc thiccness?

[@bas_ee]

@@jayjaybirdsnest Lol what. You literally do not touch anything when wiping. You people are insane haha, standing up to wipe is absolutely mentally insane lol

[@devinx.chambers8015]

You know the take is crazy when Fantano doesn't even finish reading it before he starts disagreeing😂

[@cathyrayTV]

thank you, anthony, for using your platform for calling attention to the menace to our society that is the Let's Argue Bandit. the damage he has done to the lives of me and my family's is irreparable. every single one of our hot takes and unpopular opinions gone, never to return. this monster must be stopped before more innocent folk can be subjected to the same demise.

[@heckingbamboozled8097]

Thank you for calling out the parasocial relationship aspects of that response, Anthony. In spite of the fact this has been discussed time and time again, it's bizarre to me how quickly form these bonds with creators they like online. I agree with a lot of what you say, but i'd never presume to know even a modicum about your personal life. I just have a hard time directly empathizing with people who get that attached to artists they like ig

[@DiabolicalHater]

Yup, so glad Anthony mentioned this. This is why I consider him such a close personal friend

[@RD-jr8nv]

You’re a modicum

[@fizzy-frenzy]

0:13 more like the Let's Argue flandit.

[@TheSkateNsnow]

Damn it’s crazy how Melon took shots at the Amish community through out this video, really caught me off guard

[@lil_billiam69]

Let's Agree: these let's argue intros are getting better and better

[@fortynights1513]

This is a solid intro, but I like the bass best.

[@kingshbb]

Legit got a Burger King ad right after the Burger King take

[@caitlynsult2685]

targeted ads

[@mechabubba]

beeeee kaaaaaayyyy have it your way

[@harley_yelrah9429]

Let’s Argue: the hot take bandit is a compelling character

[@eliasmg9144]

If the hot take bandit is so good, why isn't there a hot take bandit 2?

[@harley_yelrah9429]

@@eliasmg9144 it’s on hold till James Gunn finishes superman legacy

[@kidcaldwell]

no trigger warning for that disturbing content at the beginning?? you’ll hear from me on twitter about this melon.

[@dreadlord1265]

Ong

[@nicolenovi4619]

Thanks for being just like Mr. Rogers today , Anthony, i really appreciate it, I have SUCH A BAD HEADACHE but you saved me today, honestly. Have a good one! ❤😊😮

[@nittany24]

Melon lookin extra scrumptious today 😋

[@ArchLars]

The only objective marker to the billboard is how good the marketing is. The music is always subjective.

[@mrrowwmeoww]

"music isnt subjective" i sit here being a massive 100 gecs fan, with 1000 gecs on coloured vinyl, 10000 gecs on the way on coloured vinyl, a 10k gecs hoodie and having been to a gec concert and then reading the general opinion on money machine

[@neonwitch1449]

Gecs is objectively bad

[@mrrowwmeoww]

@@neonwitch1449 clearly it's subjective if many people listen to them and critics give them pretty good reviews

[@fruitymusicenjoyer]

​@@neonwitch1449me when i lie:

[@nIrvAnaBadmINtOn]

Objectively correct wiping technique: start to wipe from the front sitting down, end by wiping from the back standing up

[@benjij6052]

Nah, don't wipe at all and let it dry and flake off

[@gabrielhicks8043]

Super impressive how you were able to recreate a 3 act play entirely on your bass! Unrelated but I have a splitting headache and will probably die soon within the next 60 years.

[@unknown6390]

Making music is a craft that can be held to several different standards for someone to judge "objectively", but arguing based on sales is the most contrarian braindead take of all time 😂

[@PICKLEEEJUICE]

Joyner Lucas is better than Kendrick Lamar

[@oreomixtape7061]

I think if music is objective it’s more so based on how well it executes it’s own ideas. It’s easy to tell the objective with music but it’s just as easy to see if they truly saw it through. It’s how I go about quantifying it, if you will😊

[@123rockfan]

Funny that one person mentions Sonic Youth, when Anthony finally mentioned Tori Amos for the very first time a couple weeks ago. He really needs to review Tori’s first three albums for classics week

[@Guile21]

One great example of touring and staying sober after a very difficult addiction (Heroin, like the most addictive drug ever) is Erik "Smelly" Sandin, the drummer from NOFX. He's been going years on staight edge in a highly alcohol and drug fuelled context for years. Don't underestimate the power of will.

[@fatcat22able]

Let’s argue: Melon misinterpreted Tyler’s point with his top X albums argument. He wasn’t saying that you can’t enjoy certain albums, but that certain music fans, particularly younger listeners, have a tendency to point to certain albums as their favorites and parrot well-trodden narratives for the purpose of appearing like they have good taste as opposed to expressing why something appeals to them specifically.

[@SkeetWeezy]

It’s the mfs who put ok computer in their topster for validation

[@tommaso6392]

not only young people do that tbh

[@fatcat22able]

@@tommaso6392 Good thing I didn't say "only" and instead said "particularly" smh

[@T4llJak3]

casual listeners do that i guess its much easier to just enjoy something everyone agrees is nice than to search for that niche that really speaks to you

[@eyerstrix]

Yeah but why even say that. Like who cares

[@DerFilc]

In every game, movie or series I feel basically nothing if a new character dies too fast out of nowhere.But here I am now being devastated by the loss of the LAB after 40 seconds

[@hand_and_justin_entertainment]

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

[@littled5986]

I definitely agree, I may not like mgks music but if you like it that’s fine

[@thehousecat93]

Counterpoint: Angelic 2 the Core

[@sandr921]

Trashure

[@niveous5392]

Subjectivity is subjective. How deep can the rabbit hole go

[@YA_LUNNAYA_PONI]

while true, there sure is trash that nobody's treasure

[@ireallydontcareabouthandles]

On the Sonic Youth point, I think of julie's Through Your Window as a recent nod. Song sounds like it could've been on Confusion is Sex.

[@Fortnite87463]

Lets argue: heavy electric blues is an insane and underrated genre

[@hlammy6850]

Do you have any recommendations?

[@8bitdiedie]

“Heavy electric blues” Rock music, just say Rock music

[@codysmith481]

Examples?

[@Viper-dz2kw]

@@hlammy6850 I think Reignwolf might be one? I’m not sure exactly what he’s describing, but I’d recommend the song Keeper

[@hauthot287]

The opening of this is truly an experience

[@dylanc2516]

"East" by Earl sweatshirt is a perfect example. I ironically like it because it's so out of pocket. Art is about originality for the artist and entertainment for the consumer🥳

[@VolvoImpala]

Sonic Youth- I love that band. Can't get enough of them. They are truly unique. Absolute gods on the No Wave scene. Influenced and then were influenced by Dinosaur Jr. and Pavement- also awesome bands. But who else sounds like Sonic Youth? Especially regarding that otherworldly two-guitar style that they forged? I don't think I should name any albums right now. If you haven't heard any of their material, just pick an album off the racks, you can't go wrong, thank me later. I have a headache. Isn't all punk pop punk? I mean the Ramones went so far as to admit they're bubblegum.

[@2000Doriyas]

It’s to emphasize that pop takes way more priority in the Melodies and sound of the production than is typical of most punk.

[@soul0172]

Shout out dinosaur jr, underrated band tbh

[@DrawtheCurtains]

@@soul0172 Great live act too. Saw them in a club in Phoenix last year. Ears were ringing for about 4 days afterward.

[@VolvoImpala]

@@soul0172 Right! Favorite song is "The Leper" but my favorite album is Give a Glimpse of What Yer Not. They are just fantastic.

[@VolvoImpala]

@@2000Doriyas Buzzcocks were somehow considered pop punk, though. They were DIY and pretty no-frills production wise. Yeah, they were very focused on song construction but they weren't Mozarts when it came to melodies.

[@derk.ex.machina]

Pesci from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure would be a good example of a banana head, and a great example of why there are no banana heads

[@roshango125ab]

Only an ancap could think of a take "music isn't subjective because of sales figures" LET THE MARKET DECIDE

[@outersiderofficial]

😂 That is so true

[@majorbawb]

Really making the editor work for it i like it

[@ex_orpheus1166]

7:14 Totally agree. This is why I tend to gravitate towards metal bands on the very edges of the genre, especially bands within the niches of post-metal, avant-garde metal and black metal where composition, arrangements and texture take precedence over production and technical precision.

[@renar3339]

I hate people like that who think music isn't subjective since I know those are the same people who hate on others and make kindergarten level insults or call someone wrong for liking an artist that they hate. I'm always sick of seeing it and wish people would actually respect other people's opinions, even if they like artists hated by many critics.

[@sparrowsnatural]

i think we need to ask the dictionary what "objective" means

[@jdg1251]

To the guy that asked about Sonic Youth. THANK YOU I've been waiting so patiently for Fantano's opinion om them

[@browk2512]

I have a headache

[@Microfoot]

Sales figures don't determine what music is best, they determine what music is most widely available + well marketed, and out of that pool of artists/releases which appeals to the largest number of people.

[@drumkidstu]

Exactly! I call this the music/food quotient. There are parts that are both subjective and objective about both art forms. Of course McDonald’s is easy to like. It’s well marketed and is chock full of immediate dopamine rush. Why not settle for something perhaps a bit more interesting like middle eastern food perhaps. It might take a couple tries to understand and get used to, but it turns into the gift that just keeps on giving. This same concept can be directly applied to music. Of course Drake’s music is easy to like, but have you ever checked out, Machine Drum or Meshuggah?

[@grayman7809]

Imagine the dismay on my face when I heard the standing while wiping slander whilst I was standing while wiping

[@Laurent_08]

I never thought i would ever see melon with a "Marseille" shirt...Marseille is very very close to where i'm from and live, it's a big city in the south of France, the 2nd biggest of the country. And melon shirt is even in blue and white, which are the colors of the city and of the mythical football (soccer) club of the city (with amazingly passioned/noisy/numerous supporters), "Olympique de Marseille",of which i'm a supporter. It's unexpected and funny to me, lol.

[@phagocytosisonthemoon]

Fantano could release a fashion line of his outfits and I would buy that shit instantly

[@tyisnt]

Thank you for reminding the world that the Beatles debut album Alright computadora is a 6/10 on 6/13. Thanks AndtheKnee fantastico

[@SKULLKR3W]

I wasn’t expecting him to strip at the end

[@maxwagner6342]

Fantano mentions Sonic Youth in the loveless classic review

[@realmackle]

The pixies' style was used by countless fuckin bands in the 90s, and probably contributed to several billion dollars in the industry being created. They are by no means a popular selling band, only after they broke up did they start to get their flowers, but still i'd argue a billion times over they're so much more influential than taylor swift, ed sheeran, drake, or any other big artist out there rn.

[@MelMelodyWerner]

Drake is so influential right now that he does a single song in a style and everyone copies him. (granted, he's always copying someone else, so he is not INNOVATIVE, but he is undeniably, incredibly INFLUENTIAL. you even have the goddamn snoozefest that is Sleep Token trying to be the equivalent of Drake in METAL.) it's also kinda goofy to compare influence between a band that has the benefit of decades of hindsight, and musicians now. you can't just act like any of those big names now couldn't change the game irreparably in a year's time, because they all are in positions to...

[@jusla90]

​@@MelMelodyWernerI think what you meant is he's really good at riding trends but watering them down

[@dissonantpulse]

Each 'Let's argue' video are becoming more and more crazier. I approved.

[@Prod.SEMAPHORE]

“Music isn’t subjective, my favourite music is objectively better”

[@neonwitch1449]

Yes

[@superbad8008]

The Pop Punk age gate and standing up to wipe where almost worst takes than the “Music is Objective” tomfoolery.

[@douglaswalker7707]

the enjoyment of music is more subjective than objective, but i think the critique of music can be more objective than subjective depending on HOW you critique it

[@TURBOMIKEIFY]

I’d even argue that it’s objective PERIOD. In the context of enjoyment, of course.

[@arch1vst]

@@TURBOMIKEIFY you guys are so pretentious its concerning. all art is subjective and your opinion is not objective nerd

[@fortynights1513]

I could see that. Ex: I enjoy smooth jazz, classic rock, synth pop, and some well executed instrumentals, but other people might find the same music boring.

[@davidkoo6236]

This comment 👏👏👏

[@teotlxixtli]

Any objectivity in music seems to me to do with whether the music succeeds at what it was trying to do. Does an album trying to be insightful have anything interesting to say? Is a artist looking to be jokey actually all that funny?

[@julianbufarull7602]

9:17 shout out to "Hidden Shadows" by Herbie Hancock, an absolute banger from Sextant.

[@obsidiancrow450]

I feel like music is one of THE most subjective mediums there is

[@undriftedpop788]

Music isn’t subjective is just a crazy thing to say. Fantano with a common W

[@swede_nibblets]

I have wayyyy too many music elitist friends that are unmovable in their belief that if you make pop punk you 500% only make it to gro0m minor girls like what a bizarre, narrow, and frankly dumb view

[@vowelses]

Please more of this energy in future Let’s Argues. RIP thatistheplan

[@chrislowles]

"Music isn't subjective" is such a Music Twitter take

[@Jacob9815]

“Music isn’t subjective” tell that to people who listen to anime intros exclusively

[@hgfskate]

That first tweet’s take was so horrible that I cut off my wiener to forget about how horrible of a take it was

[@aarkdel]

Is the wiener ok?

[@Schellnino1994]

what was horrible about it?

[@hgfskate]

@@Schellnino1994 Melon did a good job of explaining it, but to argue that the music that sells the most is objectively the best is ridiculous. McDonalds has probably sold more food around the world than any franchise ever, does that make it the greatest and tastiest food of all time? No, it’s just been manufactured to appeal to the masses, similar to many of the top artists that are selling the most records. By that tweet’s logic, “Happy Birthday” is the greatest song of all time since it’s the most popular

[@Schellnino1994]

@@hgfskate If music that sells and McDs are sell the most, it does make them the best, at selling. Just as a world reknown restaurant known for quality is probably "tastier" (although that is a very ambiguous word.) than McDs. If thats the criteria you judge as best. When it comes to music, I personally prefer emotional sway and techical ability as my criteria for what makes a song great.

[@hgfskate]

Idk about you man, but I don’t think “best at selling” means “objectively the best” when it comes to art, as the tweet stated. As you said, you personally prefer emotional value over technicality, that is a SUBJECTIVE opinion, which contradicts the statement made by the tweet. The argument being made is that music as an art is objective based on sales (or music that sells more is objectively better than music that doesn’t sell as much). Not “best at selling” but quite literally the BEST, without question. Which, in my opinion is a silly ass argument to make. Art is subjective my guy, to argue otherwise is nonsense

[@PeytonUTube]

oldmanfantano ive been listening to you since 2010, thank you.

[@johngunst2529]

The skits are one of the best I parts of this channel

[@Ev_box]

most mainstream music fans typically will enjoy every song in the top 100 because that’s what it’s designed for, to appeal to mainstreamer people. most people watching this channel will have a music taste that goes way beyond the top 100 standard of music so not everyone in this particular audience will enjoy it

[@fossil5347]

Can't wait for the "Let's Agree Bandit" to make an appearance

[@V1NCE0000]

sonic youth was mean to nardwaur

[@Schellnino1994]

Their are criteria that make something objectively true. Music theory and criticism can point out what songs have been listened to most, which have made the most money, which is loudest, which is higher pitched, which has deepest bass tones, or can showcase an emotion best, or has more of an educational aspect and can teach more to those already fluent, which tones are inherently associated with what emotions (soft = calming) , etc. WHERE MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE is how much value you put into each of the empirical compontents. Music = generally subjective (but paradoxically objective) Your opinion on music = Generally subjective (while also paradoxically being rooted in objectivity)

[@cosmonauthal7651]

I disagree with it being "para social" to be concerned about a artist sobriety while on tour. I feel we might have saved a few artist throughout the years if someone was just like "hey maybe don't tour just yet". Also Danny has been VERY vocal about his sobriety so it not like people went digging to find out what he is doing. Feels like a little projecting when you went into "people looking into everything you do and latch on to it" when again Danny has not only not kept it a secret has had many open discussion to his fans on his podcast about it.

[@cosmonauthal7651]

@@ethanator5130 oh golly jeepers ya got me good.

[@hippiecheezburger5457]

These videos are great, I just love debates, analysis and opinions on numbers of subjects from Fantano

[@shandeur6918]

LET'S AGREE: We need more Fantano Expanded Universe lore in this series

[@sammy2nd]

i absolutely hated the part at the end where anthony started undressing while making eye contact

[@thestraydog]

As far as Danny's sobriety goes, he's been very VERY vocal about his treatment on his podcast, the Danny Brown show, and he's really grateful for a lot of the support of his fans. And a lot of people don't want to see someone they're a fan of slip back into a self-destructive lifestyle. I dunno. Maybe it is weird to care.

[@andersonneil2293]

It's not weird to care, it's weird to be paternalistic about it.

[@nevadanate4957]

It's weird to worry about him touring when he decided to do it. None of his fans are his parents. Caring about an artist can be perfectly fine or reasonable (like people being concerned about Lil Ugly Mane implying a suicide attempt when he's done so before) but get out of hand real easy.

[@cosmonauthal7651]

So for some reason its not weird to worry about a celebrity who may end his life but it weird and "para social" to be worried about a celebrity who might ruin their life?

[@nevadanate4957]

@cosmonauthal7651 yeah because making a suicidal story post is like... different than just going on tour which vaguely might make it more likely to relapse? Degree is key here.

[@nevadanate4957]

@@cosmonauthal7651 LUM was known to be suicidal before and made a concerning post directly referring to it, something he could attempt to do immediately that will also immediately kill him. Danny is going on tour, which "might" make him relapse, which might ruin his life.

[@benskurbe]

Taste/preference is subjective, but quality is objective. And this is true of any genre or medium of art. Sales/streams are a metric to measure the average preferences for a population’s art, but not any metric of the art’s quality.

[@roarface1993]

I don't even know how it's physically possible to wipe while sitting

[@eaglesandowls]

you aren't normal

[@thehousecat93]

You tilt to one side and stick your hand under whichever leg you lifted. Primary benefit, your glutes are still spread so the waste isn’t spreading around like it would when you stand.

[@paisleepunk]

​@@eaglesandowlsfuck normality lolololol

[@kevinjohnson4498]

Musical quality is objective. Musical taste is subjective. There are many songs that I acknowledge is quality but I dont enjoy listening to. And there are many songs that I enjoy but also acknowledge are bad songs.

[@winlover37]

Burger king really isn't bad. All fast food is garbage, but Burger King is definitely the better than McDonald's and Wendys. Fight me

[@blunderless]

absolutely facts. mcdonalds is synthetic bullshit (although their fries can be fabulous) if you order anything other than a whopper from bk, its no wonder you don’t like it. the meat, the bun, the toppings… mcdonalds is a fucking joke. people are fucking sheep.