Increase Altitude!...9mm vs .45acp Long Barrel ATOMIC Self-Defense Ammo Test!

[@RickGrimes357]

Happy Labor Day Everybody!!!🎉

[@ToolsandTargets]

You too, my friend!😎👊

[@BBEEAATTNNGGUU]

You too bro

[@michiganmafiamx5543]

You too bro!

[@billlewis8884]

Backatcha....

[@timd729]

Happy Labor day almost again

[@CarolinaRimfire]

When I first shot a 1911 years ago, I remember the instructor saying that if I couldn't do at least a commander sized 4.25 inch barrel, to not even worry about using jhps for defense and just go fmj. Things may have changed with more modern technology, but who knows... Thanks for the test, Tools! Edit: 1911 in 45 acp, that is

[@ToolsandTargets]

The short barrel .45acp is definitely tricky to get a good hollow point for. Those Sierra I just tested did great out of a shorty.

[@SwampOperator]

​@@ToolsandTargets+1 for the Sierra outdoomaster 45.. they always expand from my buddies 45 xds. It has a 3.3 in barrel. It's also my carry round for my full size m&p 45

[@CarolinaRimfire]

@@ToolsandTargets It sure did! That was impressive performance!

[@gk5891]

Bill Wilson told me 185 in anything below 4.25. Gil Terry used to SWC throat barrels for the local guys in the Officers Model and Zero loaded a soft shooting 185 SWC they used. I'm guessing maybe 700 fps out of 3.5". I miss the days when I could drop by with a 1000 cases for trade in and pick up 1000 rounds of .38 Special WC for $80. Zero was just the local guys then. Even then they did good work and I hit more empty shotgun hulls than I missed with my old 15-2 Dan Wesson. I very seldom payed for the Saturday Night Pizza.

[@jamesmarkov9570]

The 9mm penetrating 12 inches is ok if you consider the king of the streets (125 grain.357 at 1,450) might get 9-11, inches

[@30rdmaga]

My goodness that gel is the clearest I've ever seen!

[@JB-ym4up]

Perhaps the test gun for the .45 acp was a Thompson with the 10.5 inch barrel.

[@johnblackwood1337]

I just ran up on a 2 year old video someone did on Buffalo Bore 9 mm + p + 150 grain out of a Smith & Wesson M&P with a 5 inch barrel. That stuff was going almost 1500 ft per second. One bullet actually went 1510 ft per second. I believe that would blow up my Ruger ec9s or my Max 9. I figured if I'm going to get something that hot I might as well get a 10 mm. One of one of these days. One of these days.

[@josephpacchetti5997]

I'm with you, I like more penetration, sticking with HSTs Thanks Brian, great test! 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 😎👊

[@poniccalichronic]

You're a good guy, we appreciate you! We really benefit from the info you bring to us, not to forget the entertainment. Thanks

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Fyoutube444]

Don't you call me guy!😂

[@Defenze]

As long as Federal is making HST's I'm sticking with them. Nice to see other ammo being tested. Thanks. Always watch and always learn. Just great.

[@frfrpr]

Excellent video, real good info and presentation.

[@jonpinkston]

I heard that when manufacturers do ammo test, is that the testing procedure can be unrealistic. Also, funny you mentioned velocity. I just watched Paul Harrell talk about the difference between speed and velocity.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Their .45 numbers are definitely somethin.😆

[@KeithRichardson-zs2eq]

Yeah, thats kinda what i suspected would happen with more velocity. The thing with the 45 is that the cartridge was developed specifically for a 5 inch barrel. Hollow point rounds also show that preference. Awesome video. Love the raw data

[@jedediahsibley3355]

Always like seeing a good preforming 45 HP!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@joelgrimes7591]

Another good load for my Rock Island 1911 A1 FS… nice to know that I don’t have to pay the higher price for Hornady 185s.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@andremauboussin2705]

Your doing some nice work. Thx!

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

The 9 is definitely cooking, wish it went a little deeper. They must of got the 45’s speed out of a carbine, out of a 5 inch nice expansion, again wish it went deeper. The extreme spread is concerning. Thanks for the test Tools!

[@johngregory4801]

Thanks for following up on this! Pretty much turned out like I expected, although... Part of me wondered if that .45 would clog like the first one and ping off the 75 steel. 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

That would have been awesome!💥😎💥

[@johngregory4801]

​​@ToolsandTargets The dance the blocks did when the .45 hit them was quite impressive, more than almost any test I've seen, with the exception of REAL 10mm (just watched it again).

[@Dwayne7834]

Thanks for your gel test and video . The 45 definitely stands out in its performance. .

[@BoatDoc98]

Thats exactly why you're my go-to guy for info like this, I was very suspicious about those numbers on the 45. The numbers they're claiming are more like 45 Super or 45 SMC velocities. Your work is very much appreciated sir. Thank you.

[@thetrainwrecker1015]

50k. Great work, Tools! 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother!😎👊

[@ericbergfield6451]

You're the man Brian!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊

[@RustyShackle1776]

Ordered a 1911 recently and have been checking on good defensive ammo for it. Another great test. Now to find your 45 vcrown video since that’s what I use for 9. Let’s see if it’s as good in 45.

[@ToolsandTargets]

That Sierra Outdoor Master I tested recently in .45acp really impressed me, especially for the price.

[@RustyShackle1776]

@@ToolsandTargets that’s good to know. I see sierra on clearance in a lot of places lately. Was wondering if they didn’t perform well and no one was buying

[@Bob-lq9ys]

Good damage from both, just a bit short on distance , thanks for sharing

[@alexandermfernandez9283]

I like your perspective on this stuff ; "if this is the ammo I have , I'd use it" . Your evaluations always provides us with valuable information . Thanks T&T , you do a great job !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you! Really appreciate that.😎👊

[@cjman1991]

I don't know if you will see this. My e.d.c carry tool is a 43x, I love it. Been trying to figure what ammo to carry everyday. The choices get blurred, so I'm not going to fuss over anymore I will buy budget hollow points and nato fmj's for what ever I need them for. Love the show always learn something. Keep the tool testing coming, stay safe. See you on the flip side. God bless America.

[@tomsrandomness]

So close to 50k brother love it!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother!

[@AWareWolf9]

Another great test! I don’t know about that Atomic, looking like a bit of a gimmick round to me. Thanks Tools, have a good one!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@wisewhiterabbit]

paul harrel did a pretty good video about velocity being a key for bullet expansion. 185 grain give or take +p loading will be a good all rounder for 45acp. a 185 leave more room for powder and a higher speed. give it a +p loading and it starts shining really well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nothing new. These bullets are the issue here.

[@wisewhiterabbit]

@@ToolsandTargets i can deffinately see that

[@Mbartel500]

I don't know about this Atomic ammo. The quality control seems a little sketchy, and I don't like projectiles that only perform well in a narrow velocity range. Plus I prefer the 16-18” penetration depth. A projectile should do well in any commonly used barrel length, and over a wide range of velocities..**cough**HST**cough**

[@ToolsandTargets]

💣😎👊💣

[@dontbetreadin4777]

Why do you like that penetration depth?

[@kathygates8845]

GREAT VIDEO BRAIN ... !!!!!! MY SON SAID HE WAS GOING TO ORDER ME 500 - .45 BERRY HYB... !!!!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND $$$ TO MAKE THESE GREAT VIDEOS... !!!!!!!! I WILL BE THE MAN ON THE GRILL TOMORROW.... !!!!!!! MAYBE SLIP OFF TO THE RANGE AND BURN UP SOME 10MM...!!!!DOUBLE G ""GARY""

[@brandiwynter]

One of my hard rules is if an ammo company lies about their velocity or uses some crazy long barrel to achieve them, they instantly go on the "never buy" list. Welcome to the list Atomic.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆

[@brandiwynter]

@@TackJorrance I reload as well but I don't use my reloads in my SD guns because most experts recommend you don't. Would it actually hurt you in court? I don't know but when expert witnesses like Massad Ayoob who has been involved with countless court cases recommend you don't do it, I listen. Plus there are some really, really good SD ammo manufacturers out there and I don't shoot the expensive stuff other than making sure it runs in my guns reliably and accurately. Everything else I shoot are my own reloads. There are many manufacturers who give an accurate velocity on their boxes so I'm not agreeing with the 90% but I'll definitely believe 75% lol and that's way too many.

[@rsbreeze]

So you don't buy any ammo then?

[@brickhammerSS]

Lol

[@BBEEAATTNNGGUU]

​@@TackJorranceYou beat me to it! They all lie! They all walk on our corpses to get to government contracts too. PSA is the best out the for Americans, but as a rule of thumb if they're talking their lying.

[@DRAGONRIDER385]

Thank you for the test. I was surprised with the 9.

[@jokerinexile]

Nice to see the 45 expand compared to the smaller length barrel. The inconsistency in the velocities pretty much insures I’m not picking any up.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed

[@JohnLee-jk5ew]

Yep, just expensive range rds!

[@defendpolicedefunddemokkkr6976]

Stop buying into the marketing ploy; it won't make a big difference.

[@paulmo-we1mw]

Hey Tools, thanks for the test. Great video as always! 👍👍👊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Hey mate …maybe they used a 6” 1911 with the 45acp ( nice 😊)….urrrr , still ruin ya day😬….wow the 45 slug is nice but the 9 mm is like a frizzby … I’ve loaded Berrys projectiles that hard that they went through the paper target like a star ( with the plating pealing off ). I think 🤔 Berry says not to exceed 1250 feet per second….. Great test big fella , the proof is in the pudding 🏁

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. The plating was actually flaking off of these in places.😆

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Could be a harder crimp damaging the plating and or excessive speed. I run then hard that’s why mine do that sometimes. I guess@@ToolsandTargets

[@hoffpbass]

I like that they both approach 500 fpe. Especially in 45acp. Would love it more if it were 230gn, though. Well, if it's cheap enough, I'll consider it 😅

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@hoffpbass]

@@TackJorrance when I see 185gn. I only think about 3.0 to 4.25" max barrel length in an attempt for those to get to expansion velocity. Else I think "Why bother? I'll use my .40 S&W instead." 👍

[@steelpunisher6944]

Definitely better results especially for the .45. Sure is a perty metal flower. Lol. But I wouldn’t be buying any to load up my mags with. Great test as always 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, the stripes on it look pretty cool.😎👊

[@brandonm9236]

My buddy loaded some of these for my .45 . I only shot steel but right under the target I found at least half of my shots taking in a perfect expansion. They were beautiful!

[@ToolsandTargets]

They do look cool when they're expanded.

[@MitchC357]

You can make a necklace for the Missus with that 45 bullet that flowered out so nicely.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Good, good, good. Success is always encouraging. Much better on 45. Thank you & happy labor day.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. You too.😎👊

[@rogerray2545]

Brother I prefer the 45 over the 9 going to have to try some of those in will Glock 41 good job

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@canal10centrado]

Hello Tools and Targets, now in Brazil the strongest caliber we have access to is the .30 Luger. Would it be possible for you to make a comparison between it and the .380 ACP? This request came directly from Portugal land...😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you watching, my friend. I will see what options might be available for .30 Luger.😎👍

[@BenderIsGreat99]

Awesome test. Glad to see this after the short barrel results. Very interesting. Keep up the good work

[@arrad77]

I really love all your videos. You go the extra mile and the gel is clear. 👍👍💯

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@jimchambers7548]

The 45 looks better out of a full size. Fragments could be could, hopefully a fragment will hit a vital organ🙄

[@ToolsandTargets]

True 😎👍

[@jimchambers7548]

@@ToolsandTargets I always try to comment something to help algorithms 👍👍

[@scarifrougeone7225]

👍👍 Great test and commentary once again. Good see the TP9SFX make the show ⭐️. That was a real good results from the last video to this one. It’s nice to see the barrel length difference and results in the gelly. Full expansion and fragtastic. Would you those 9mm out of my Caniks just to watch on pop bottles and such! Range fun! Be safe. 🇺🇸⭐️⭐️🇺🇸 Happy Labor Day!

[@DouglasStudzinskideSouza]

In Brazil we are in trouble... to help us, it would be nice to compare the 7.65 Luger against the 380 ACP... we are limited to 400j in handguns....

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤔

[@DouglasStudzinskideSouza]

.30 luger@@ToolsandTargets

[@ToolsandTargets]

What guns do you mostly use for it there?@@DouglasStudzinskideSouza

[@DouglasStudzinskideSouza]

we recently went back to being capped at 400 joules of energy on handguns. We have the most widespread 380 acp, but there are enthusiasts asking for the 30 luger as an alternative. As for weapons, we have some glock and taurus options mainly at 380

[@The_Hi_Life]

That 9 was atomic, it went BOOM in that gel!

[@charlesmorgan1879]

Im planning to use my bday savings online and saw the Atomic in a couple calibers. Plan on getting fmjs to try out the 692 so looking for 357/38/9mm. They did have all at RK yesterday but only 2 in 357 armscor & critical defense(2of each)...Good info as always!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Happy Birthday!😎👊

[@kevinroberts781]

I've got that rock island 1911. Love that tool!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Runs great.😎👍

[@ericchdjdjnx]

Thank you for testing this ammo. I have a box of the 45 that I purchased a few years ago now. I am not sure what bullet they are using, but it looks very different than the Berry's jhp shown on your video. There is one other video I saw testing this ammo on youtube (The Most Powerful .45acp Ammo You Can Buy), posted a couple years ago, and the bullet in the ammo he tested looks different than both. It seemed to be a gold dot bullet, and it expanded pretty nicely in gel. Unfortunately no chronograph in that video. All three batches (yours, mine, and the other video test) have the same box, seems like they just use whichever bullet they have on hand. I was never able to chrono test my batch but recoil was moderate and the report was significantly louder than ball ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I figured as much. I'm not a fan of these Berry's bullets.

[@Gator69420]

I believe those are the Xdef rounds Look very similar to a gold dot. You can tell they’re not gold dots by the inside of the hollow point. The inside has like a edge or lip around the inside in the hollow point

[@castanza128]

I love how there's a 6 ft/lb difference between 9mm and 45 acp. (and the 9mm has a better wound cavity) A century of fudlore, down the drain.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@castanza128]

@@TackJorrance None of that should matter, because .45acp is super powerful and has so much stopping power™ though.

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Good video Tools I will stick with my Federal HST 9 mm 124 Grain Happy Labor Day Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@robertseafield5810]

Good video. Great info. I dont want the bullets coming out.

[@jocassiorovetta]

Hello Tools and Targets, now in Brazil the strongest caliber we have access to is the .30 Luger. Would it be possible for you to make a comparison between it and the .380 ACP?

[@ToolsandTargets]

I don't have anything chambered in .30 Luger, but I will do some checking on options.😎👍

[@miltonjunior4985]

Tô help us, it would be nice to compare the .30 luger against tua 380 ACP .. we are limited tô 400j in handguns

[@ToolsandTargets]

What size guns do you use there to shoot .30 Luger?

[@miltonjunior4985]

@@ToolsandTargets 4" inch

[@RL-RL]

Little Boy did pretty good if you like fragmentation. Fat Man did great! They both just needed a little longer barrels to work as needed. I just don't like these Barrys' hybrid rounds compared to the other option on the market.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, these Berry's are too picky.

[@RL-RL]

@@ToolsandTargets Hell, I'm just happy to say what YT won't let you! It's not like it isn't said a million times a day on here!

[@gwidwock]

Maybe you need that +P in a longer barrel to get those Berry's to expand. Great video , thanks!

[@JonCarter-i3k]

Damm !! That 45 is MASSIVE ! I might get these !

[@chrislang5659]

During "Fragspansion" if the pieces went a little further i would dig that. Seems like extra wound tracks!

[@wbwills2]

I’m going outside to shoot some non atomic old 9mm range (“USMC range ammo “ /in brown cardboard boxs)I found Saturday while I was looking for some 20 ga dove bird shells I bought last year. Didn’t find what I was looking for but found a case of #6 steel shot in with the 9mm. & some other bulk 38,357 ect. Might be time to get a little more organized but was a good surprise find. Takem easy

[@billdubois56]

Another great jelly test Brotha ..

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you as always, my friend.😎👊

[@ronaldgarvie9661]

Nice looking rounds.

[@wbwills2]

50K + ..looking good!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍Thanks Tools, they definitely need to back off on the velocity on the 9 with that bullet they’re using.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@cliffwatson9698]

What self defense ammo do you recommend for a GI 1911 in 9mm and 45

[@koffeekage]

Did they test the .45 out of a 16” pistol caliber carbine or something?

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Thanks for the share!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@americanpatriot477]

Since hunting season is right around the corner. I would love to see some handgun hunting round tests. 44, 45 , 50AE inc. I’m sure they would draw a big interest.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not a bad idea.😎👍

[@richki.24]

wow on that 45 !!!!

[@caleb6988]

Wow 😲 I think I will have to get me some the 45's after seeing this. Another great freedom seed test brother tools. Hope everyone has a great labor day and stay safe.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@rjw261984]

Great test Tools. 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊

[@jamesrobison2079]

Please test fed punch against the CCI small game bullets

[@treetop.garage]

Great test tools ..

[@riflemaster1]

Happy Labor Day, and yes, the nine did it again

[@joemartin4040]

Another good one buddy.

[@ronin7964]

Love all your videos, have you ever done a ball ammo Vs hollow point? Might be interesting to see. Side note .....ive got my 7 year old daughter saying "its jelly time!" When i ask her what time is it! 😂

[@jwash3rd]

As I expected with the .45. I'm wondering now if it would have done any better at the advertised velocity?

[@Swampytheroot]

I'm concerned you've gotten too much Sun. When does increase velocity+greater expansion= enhanced penetration? I'm not familiar with that type of mathematics. Particularly not from something as light as a 9mm, but I can't think of an example in a rifle, either unless it fragments and the base penetrates further

[@dontbetreadin4777]

Those are way too variable in velocity to trust point of impact...

[@yuvgotubekidding]

Adequate rounds. But we could do better. 👍 Happy Labor Day. 👊🇺🇸😎

[@whatsup24_7]

Hot & muggy out here today.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah it is!🥵

[@d.hayward5232]

Glad you got the 50rd box of the 45 so you could do this test without having to purchase another box. Very interesting results compared to the 3" barrels. I would buy this stuff IF it was comparable to FMJ in price and add it to my emergency stash, but thats it. Guess I'm even worse than you are, as I consider 16" the bare minimum for penetration, and much happier with 18-20".

[@usmcson3]

I love both rounds, but im surprised the 9mm had the same energy as the 45 lol 😂. Been using my glockb21 as a woods gun here in texas. But i might just carry my lighter 19x now.

[@cgsimons1187]

The results were surprising. That extra barrel length really made the difference for these two rounds.

[@leroycaudill96]

Good test Tools thanks for the video's.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊

[@StevenL00]

Maybe the .45 is meant for 4-4.5 in. barrels, the 9 is still a wonderful .380 replacement.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@johnb7430]

I'm seeing an opportunity to specify ammo. Designed for subcompact, compact and full size. Because the 9mm was perfect in 3" barrel, where the 45 stunk.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@WaterZer0]

Atomic is either using some inconsistent combination of components or has very inconsistent loading practices that cause a significant deviation in powder charge. "People overestimate how much velocity is gained from barrel length." That really depends on the powder, but you're right for pistol cartridges (normally). Really fast powders have sharp diminishing returns which is the point since they're loading for very short barrels.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, those spreads were pretty crazy.😎👊

[@timparkhurst8661]

After his last test, I went and checked out their website with this on my mind. They are based in Arizona, which has some extreme weather. So, I thought it possible that affects their loading components or choice of, through environment implications? Combine that with a typical type06 FFL homespun operation.

[@timparkhurst8661]

Also, don't forget these are plated bullets with the Berrys. Plating on bullets can have some wide variances in thickness of the copper, even if they are sized correctly. That plays havoc on the compression and "obturation". The lab equipment to reduce that in plated, is beyond the reach of all but the biggest manufacturers.

[@angrysheepdog9744]

What exactly makes these rounds hybrid?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Just the name Berry's gives them. They're plated hollow points so companies are using them as their "bonded" bullet.

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊 the 45 is a big 🌑.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@chuckappel]

Maybe try a Smith and Wesson 25-2 with it's 6.5" barrel. Thopson Contender 10"? LOL. Great video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Jhammie1776]

Those extreme spreads, seem like quality control issues with powder charges. I just couldn't run something that inconsistent. I fear an extreme over pressure with something like that. I only have 9.5 fingers, I can't lose any more.

[@jefferythibodeaux9676]

Still disappointing gonna stick with Underwood and Grizzly , thanks for testing it out😊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely. 😎👊

[@3gunshooter60]

Not ammo i would spend my money on. What's. 40sw look like in this ammo?

[@black_dog_barks]

Both deadly...does anything else matter?

[@BBEEAATTNNGGUU]

Wwhhaaaaaatttt?!?! 45 boys getting spoiled on this channel😎🤙🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@philipfreeman72]

Maybeso they use carbines , forget the atomic the E.T. wont let em go off .

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥💣💥

[@ronaldbenskin493]

Got to have the need for speed

[@wheeler71]

Thx for the testing👍 🎯🔫 🇺🇲

[@scottstewart5784]

Even if the bullets were correctly matched to average velocity, the huge variances, now out of 4 guns in 2 calibers, measured with current tech, would put me off these. Hoping you don't get the random hot or cold round is not a method.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed