How Killers of the Flower Moon Lies - Let Me Explain (2023)

[@LetMeExplain]

What's the best 3+ Hour movie you've seen?

[@typhanymatthews]

Oppenheimer, I saw it twice

[@jaydenfoster]

the irishman

[@jazmynortega3054]

Tár!

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

TITANIC 😃

[@evan_3r]

Honestly this one

[@triplemoyagames4195]

This opened my eyes to the fact Native Americans are victims of one of the greatest/most successful attempts of ethnic cleansing, and it is rarely addressed.

[@NativeTexMexican]

We're still here though. ✌🏽

[@MelGibsonFan]

Bro it's addressed all the time. Holidays, apologies from politicians, compensation from the state etc... The sad part is it just can't be undone. They'll never recover, that's why they turn a blind eye to all the pretendian shit.

[@sjc4]

that's been true since europeans set foot in this country. a LONG damn time.

[@Danefrak]

Rarely addressed?

[@SelfcareForTheMind]

Wind River was the movie that really opened my eyes. I hope it’s released on Apple TV so that I can watch this.

[@4D4M1K3]

The ending really sold the movie for me. The commentary of this story being told as a radio show in the 60s(?) as entertainment was pretty spot on for how entertainment is produced today. But to have Marty himself come out and give the final words as the story he is telling comes to an end, really hit home for me. The cycle will seemingly always continue. We saw it with the Osage, and we see it in our world today. 100 years and nothing’s changed.

[@muhammadhussam9958]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@haizee2330]

Yes like the rape of English girls by Pakistani grooming gangs in the UK. The police and the government just cover it all up

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Who is Marty?

[@holdenroth5929]

@@L16htW4rr10r "Marty" is Martin Scorsese, the guy who directed the movie.

[@holyshit128]

Probably more like 30’s/40’s. By the 60’s everybody had TV’s

[@Kyrillion1]

Even today, there is a crisis of murdered and missing indigenous women, which is not being addressed by the authorities.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

I happened to see a news update back when Trump was in office of how he granted more $$$$ to the investigations of missing tribal women. You'd think that would be BIG headlines, but the Media hated Trump so much that they in effect didn't care about the Problem. Once again, Greed / Lust for Power wins out over human dignity and justice.

[@RyanG0899]

Everyone is going missing, not just indigenous women. It's called trafficking.

[@undebilefandepokemon3069]

The same is going on in Canada.

[@thegreenman6216]

That's because it's largely native men committing the crimes and native police investigating

[@magnusthered4973]

thats cause it happens while on the native reservations and the res authorities doesn't allow any one to help

[@KenobiStark1]

It was incredibly intense. My wife and I enjoyed it very much. Loved Marty coming out at the end to give the whole thing the bow on it by giving a clear message on what happened, or what didn’t happen, and just how disgusting and despicable the treatment of the Osage and the Natives were, just absolutely unforgiving and terrible.

[@keralytekid]

In my opinion it would have been more effective coming from the Osage people's perspective.

[@sadem1045]

​@@keralytekidHow would it have been different? If the book and movie were created by Osage members, the description of the crimes, aftermath and the handling of the case would have almost definitely been the same. The only thing I did not like about the book (I'm yet to see the film) is I don't remember the author clarifying that it's EXTREMELY unusual for the FBI to help Indigenous Americans.

[@truthspeak9966]

​@@sadem1045 FBI has jurisdiction on the Rez so no, not extremely unusual. The movie depicts Earnest and madly in love with Molly while killing her family and trying to kill her and their then 3 children.

[@alephmale3171]

@@sadem1045The movie depicts how the Osage had to fundraise like $25,000 (waaay more in today’s money) to get the FBI to investigate.

[@sophiaisabelle027]

Killers of the Flower Moon was raw, heartfelt, violent, and frightening all at the same time. We appreciate your insights on this.

[@Alex-ug9wx]

@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57who?

[@YodaOnABender]

@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57wasn’t planning on it

[@Woodsaras]

Nah, it was a boring piece of sht

[@watchguy7986]

Seemed lame and boring. Am a big November guyot this was retarded. Shot still happens everyday in every commodity out there. So glad i didn’t buy this bullshit

[@ethanhawkins3391]

You opened my eyes in countless small details I didn’t quite pick up on with my first viewing. Makes me want to watch it again given how carefully crafted this film was. Loved the movie and this video, excellent work!

[@kaitlynpatterson2120]

So the reason they did the perspective from the villain is because they want the audience to feel the distrust and betrayal the Osage felt. So there is a reason behind the perspective they took in this movie.

[@Dncyx]

But all I thought was the Osage were incrediblely dumb

[@dougdoug9223]

​@@Dncyx The way the movie played out made them look like they were utterly stupid. I'm guessing it wasn't that clear cut in real life.

[@maleitamaleizir4314]

Or so they say it

[@Dncyx]

yeah I think the movie did them a disservice@@dougdoug9223

[@puffn9022]

​@@Dncyxit definitely felt on screen that way. When the movie begins with the Osage described as extremely wealthy and capable then decline throughout the movie by white men made to be the utmost goofy and lame just doesn't fit with the narrative.

[@isaacmartinez6904]

Despite being 30 minutes longer than Oppenheimer, Killers Of The Flower Moon is an amazing film and one of the best of his filmography.

[@JGUN25Ar]

I liked Oppenheimer better imo

[@bev9708]

And yet strangely Oppenheimer felt longer to me!! 🤷🏻‍♀ Both are masterful epics, whatever our personal preference!!

[@Beattie755]

Dude it was 5/10 at the most. I don't understand the acclaim for it.

[@exo.dus.1180]

​@@bev9708 nah same, I fell asleep at points during Oppie during both my cinema viewings. I still enjoyed it, but this one right here i was awake the whole time... and it was the 2nd film of a double feature that night. doesn't make sense

[@keralytekid]

@@Beattie755 I agree, I don't understand the acclaim. Well, I do actually, but it should not be getting the acclaim that it is getting.

[@daarmonet]

i just saw this with my nana in theaters we were blown away and researching doing a whole history class afterwards it is insane

[@thatguy_dfrye4844]

ok hear me out… i never knew the story of the Osage nor had i read the book and i only saw ONE trailer for this movie. so imagine my utter shock when the story in my head of Ernest and Molly retaliating for all the killings and seeking righteous vengeance was NOT the movie i saw 🤣 seeing Leo play so many heroes over the years really did alter my viewing experience when we didn’t see the babyface turn i was waiting for in my mind… all that being said, this was a truly sad and heartbreaking story to see ppl who only thought others had the best intentions for everyone in mind were slowly picked off by the coyotes hungry for their wealth

[@yevgeniyaleshchenko849]

babyface? What do your expectations have to do with real tragedy the film is telling about?

[@thatguy_dfrye4844]

@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 “babyface turn” is a wrestling term meaning someone who was a “heel” or a bad guy turns to become a “babyface” or a good guy. and unfortunately he did not.

[@ds90seph]

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849Are you just upset because you heard/read a term you assumed meant something offensive? Doesn't that say something about your immediate presumption? Why did you jump to that volatile of a reaction?

[@SelfcareForTheMind]

I actually like the fact that movies are getting longer. I’m more of a movie watcher than a series any day.

[@Saekaichan]

me too! makes sure you get your moneys worth too. Paid more for a nicer theatre with recliners.

[@houstonveganchick5659]

yes, let's get our monies worth

[@FINNSTIGAT0R]

I like TV-series, but their major drawback, their weak point is that the channels, platforms and producers want to keep them on forever, which in turn makes them drawn out, repetitive and in the end very unnecessary. In other words they often cannot tell a story well, since at a certain point a story needs to conclude. Thankfully there's now been many one season series', but most are still made with the hope of keeping them on for as long as there's a profitable audience.

[@Woodsaras]

Um. The lenght of this attrocious movie wasnt justified. Boring, slow piece of crap. You could take away 1-1.5 hours and lose nothing. Your comment is surface level bllsht.

[@Wahlrusberg]

I like that a movie like this is given time and space, it honestly flew by. However I think there's been a trend of extremely bloated action/superhero movies not justifying their length at all.

[@TheRestlessView]

I always find myself torn on these subjects. It always annoyed the fuck out of me because as I look at these comments down below, I see a lot of people being along the lines of "wow! this really opened my eyes to native Americans mistreatment." And I think its great that these conversations are taking place now, but there is a big part of my heart that's extremely bitter to the fact that it takes a movie by Martin Scorsese with Leo "Oscar Bait" DeCap to really show everyone how bad American history was for Native Americans. When such atrocities are fairly prominent in history books I mean hell there was an actual slogan called "kill the indian, save the man" where there was an actual attempt at ethnic cleansing and really tore apart many families to which the repercussions can be felt to this day. That the Red Skins Football team was allowed to be a team for faaaar longer than it should've have been or has been. Or more recently how in New Mexico Native Americans are being kidnapped and trafficked to take advantage of federal payments of Alcoholic recovery programs only to be abandoned in a place they don't know with little to no help. This all sounds so patronizing to me... But, just because Im bitter doesn't mean that this can't be helpful or maybe even helps pave a way for more stories about Natives. Also yes, the whole being 1% Cherokee bit drives me up a wall

[@t.taylor6879]

I feel the same way. It’s as if no one paid attention in history class or what’s going on today.

[@AG-fn2wc]

you’re right we obviously need more white man bad stories in native media

[@TheRestlessView]

@@t.taylor6879 or that our pain and our suffering isn't as popular or marketable because it means that America is a big villain

[@houstonveganchick5659]

I agree with you! As an Black woman, whose family lives less than a mile from the Osage Casino, the fact that so many ppl are surprised in the comments is saddening. The wars between the Native Americans and settlers were highlighted in high school history class. Seems like ppl forgot about the Trail of Tears, the story of Pocahontas. At the same time, those clear colored men where poisoning Native Americans, they had to burn the businesses of the Blacks bc Blks already knew who the enemies where.

[@bertellijustin6376]

War is shitty. Every war is. This is the way of humanity. It’s sad but it is reality.

[@kingkrampus2016]

This was a great synopsis! I completely agree with you about wanting to see a John Wren biopic. The story of (probably) the only Native American in the FBI who got fired for not going by the book but then getting rehired to work this case because his talent was undeniable would be a great story

[@originaozz]

Despite sharing many similarities to Oppenheimer, I find Killers of the Flower Moon to be a great revelation of the horrific past/present while the prior to be offensive. Scorsese's choice to explore the evilness and its impact just felt more respectful than turning the destruction into spectacles. Instead of indulging in the detective's greatness, he pointed the finger at all party involved; the killers, the system, the exploiters, himself, and us, who is entertained by the pain of others.

[@aarongutierrez7705]

What are you smoking? You clearly didn’t watch Oppenheimer it is anything but what you describe. They don’t even show the Hiroshima bombing for exactly the reason you say it doesn’t

[@fluffymassacre2918]

It's almost like they were two completely different movies

[@Rugelacharugula]

@@aarongutierrez7705yeah so that makes you right. Dude climb down.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

I agree with almost everything but us entertained by the pain of others. We didn't watch this movie to get entertained. At least I don't. Unless you mean when we enjoy watching Reality TV Show...?

[@Rugelacharugula]

@@L16htW4rr10r yeah. No one should ever learn about this.

[@MrSiriusAB]

2:21 DeNiro's character: Yeah, we're all trying to find the guy who did this!

[@mkwood456]

I'm full navajo and my family, we talk about it and people just ignore me and move on from the conversation. I tell people we got 100 years of citizenship, my great grandma was not born free and all the people who were in ww2 were not citizens when they were born. I'll say what all my people say "we are still here and we remember"

[@PatPauloMMA]

I had to break this movie up into two sittings but I was glued to it every second. All three main actors are fantastic. Leo deserved a nomination for his role.

[@dreworyan5652]

We live in a world ruled by people like DeNiros character..

[@L16htW4rr10r]

:,(

[@youknowwhoiam6057]

William Hale(Robert De Niro) was really good written villain I think. He is the perfect villain that I wanted to see in theater. And I also liked the combination of Hale and Burkhart. Their chemistry was best and spin-chilling also because we know that Burkhart was just another card for Hale but Burkhart was too stupid to realize it sooner.

[@mikeg2491]

Well Hale was a local Democrat strongman like Boss Tweed, so you’re correct.

[@stellviahohenheim]

And you wonder why they were always getting chased out of countries for millenias

[@Anthony-xy3wr]

@@stellviahohenheimWho were?

[@trackboy17]

I think Henry’s depression is because of his money because I’m pretty sure him and his wife were both entitled to money but being full blooded natives they needed a guardian (white person) to sign off on their money, so they divorced each other and remarried to get that money. That’s why she has her own store with her white husband and Henry gets drunk and parties with his white wife.

[@deaddropholiday]

It's comforting to believe the world can be divided into "normal" people and psychopaths. The real horror comes from the realization that they are one and the same.

[@futurestoryteller]

This statement falls flat when taken at face value. About 1% of the population are clinical psychopaths, and while the distinction is far from mandatory, my understanding is there is a well established difference in psychological circles between psychopaths, who are born; and sociopaths, who are made. When diagnosed their behavior is virtually identical to an outside observer, making up the criteria for "Anti-Social Personality Disorder". One major difference being psychopaths don't feel fear at all. Parents often learn there is something wrong with their child when their baby never cries, or when they're a bit older, throws only angry tantrums while refusing to respond to parental threats of repercussion. Apparently some young children respond well to cognitive behavioral therapies, and some people with the genetic traits of a psychopath may develop learned behaviors regardless that are more consistent with pro-social behaviors than their anti-social counterparts. All this to say pscyhopathy is a very specific thing that is fairly abnormal, actually. Perhaps it's splitting hairs to say this, but maybe the real lesson here is we don't even need to go that far. You don't need to be a psychopath to be a horrible person. It's not outside the realm of possibility that some psychopaths are better people. Unfortunately.

[@deaddropholiday]

@@futurestoryteller It's not falsifiable. All human beings are capable of manifesting "psychopathic" behavior as defined (which is so loose you can pretty much include anyone anyway). As my old research methods professor was only too happy to point out - "It's not real science".

[@futurestoryteller]

@@deaddropholiday It is not remotely loose. If you think psychology is not medicine then I suggest you go someplace where they don't have any treatment for psychological disorders and see how much you enjoy living there.

[@VonJay]

What’s horrible is that people can’t make the right distinctions. A white normal person would rather side with a white murderer than with someone that looks nothing like them on the surface, but isn’t a murderer.

[@sjc4]

The most disturbing part about this is that we've learned little from our own cruelty, because goddamn money. What a joke.

[@CaulkMongler]

Honestly, some people refuse to learn because they don’t want the guilt associated with their current day success.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Greed truly is one of the greatest sin.

[@GoblinAttacForce]

@@CaulkMonglerstill it’s a matter of respecting the ones that died so that they at least get remembered

[@railroadculdesac]

I don’t have guilt over this just because I’m white. Zero guilt

[@sjc4]

@@railroadculdesac wow what useless input

[@cathead772]

beyond how well you've articulated such a complex and intriguing movie, this is such a beautiful video essay. thank you for the work you've put into this!

[@bettycrocker6692]

Thanks for the masterful analysis of this important film!! You picked up on so many of the nuances that I missed because the editing rednered so many scenes lightning-fast. The true horror was that Osage women felt compelled to marry white men, and that the entire white community was complicit in crime in some fashion. The other startling fact was that the white population felt no compassion for the Indian population, even though they were intermarried with them.

[@tamupwork]

"My mom was right. You keep your face like that, it's gonna get stuck" lmaoo My mom used to say the same thing lol. Good video, and humour!

[@everetsutton1377]

At the hotel I work at, some of the staff stayed at, and they were all super nice! While the actors and director all deserve praise, I would honestly see this movie (when I have time lol) just for the staff

[@KCPelletier]

I appreciate the perspective of wanting to see the violence against the abusers as much as the violence against the Osage, but being so close to the violence against the Osage humanises them in a way that the film doesn't offer to their abusers

[@gnostic268]

No shit 😒

[@kos8571]

I get what you mean, but I also see the reason for the audience to find it compelling to see monsters get what they deserve rather than humanising and seeing them in a more positive light - I'm not too sure

[@chiefeaglespiritdancing9624]

That’s because they aren’t human!!!

[@kristinalfc5846]

I would have much rather we spent time on the internal lives of Osage especially Mollie, it would have been a much more interesting film

[@dumpsterDeity]

It didn't humanize them to me at all. I've spent the whole movie mentally imagining myself doing to Earnest what Mountain did to Oberyn.

[@delroy0]

It's one of the best films I've ever seen, I was in that theater tearing up 😭😭😭

[@SlayByJay]

This movie gave me feelings that I’ve never really felt before. I didn’t look at my phone for the time not ONCE during the entire movie. The acting and pace of the film is so well edited it keeps you captivated the entire picture. I did except a little more from Mollys character since she was basically sick the entire time and wish they gave more backstory from why she kept choosing her actions but once the movie was over, i didn’t know weather to cry, scream, be angry… I was shaking when it was over because I felt so much adrenaline from what i just witnessed. I had to go work a 8 hour shift after i went and saw it and that was my only mistake. This is a move you need to ponder on after and allow yourself to let it all sink in on what happened to these victims. 1000000/10 movie I’ll see it again 10 times

[@TimoDyer]

I saw this film during by 6 hour flight from London to Doha, on the way to Asia. I'd never heard about this film and was consumed by it. I went on to read about the Osage and the psychopath Hale. Just one small story within the Holocaust that hit native Americans, but something most have never heard about. Glad it's out in public for more of the world to know about. Hope it encourages more truth to be shared about the conquest and exploitation of native people around the world.

[@bosunbill9059]

Fun fact about Hale, he always boasts he is a "Friend of the Osage". And even after getting busted by the FBI and the cat is out of the bag, He still stuck to the "Friend of the Osage" title even after his release...yes the scumbag was released from his "life sentence" and continue to wore the mask that had slipped.

[@jacobdane]

This is a thoughtfully considered and insightful breakdown. Well done!

[@steveleeart]

It was amazing how well constructed the film was - I looked up and found for example, photos of the house that was blown up, and when they showed the house, it looked exactly as it did in the photos. The way it was wrecked after the explosion.

[@PerryBailey-hy8qx]

Lily Gladstone deserved to win😢

[@neesaljohnson86]

Was such a good film. Worth the full movie screen to experience the vastness of the prairie landscape.

[@MrSiriusAB]

1:53 -Son, I got a question, do you like women? -That's my weakness, but only if they're under 25!

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

As it should be, only people with a fetish or who can't attract a younger woman wouldn't want one 😊.

[@Someone-ji6ni]

@@Jacob-ed1blnobody loves you

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

@@Someone-ji6ni 🤣🙄🤡 My family girlfriend and all my friends would beg to differ.

[@Charmane73]

Thank you for TELLING the story. I almost didn’t watch another in-depth review of this movie, but glad I watched yours.

[@sharonkesel4682]

I have a problem with Ernest was 19 at the time and Hale was 48. That changes the entire dynamic of the relationship IRL.

[@futurestoryteller]

The movie already takes great pains to tell us Leo is as dumb as they get. In some strange way maybe allowing the audience to speculate on how his youth contributes to that stupidity would be letting him off easy.

[@msomgxxx3851]

I agree. I think Leo should have played Hale.

[@sharonkesel4682]

That was the original plan. DiNiro just lost a civil case in court and needed money.@@msomgxxx3851

[@dallascowboyshighlights9632]

Even some of the dialogue doesn’t fit. I assume it was pulled directly from the book. Leo is called “Son” and a “stupid boy” by two characters that are like the same age as him. Ernest should have been played by a younger actor.

[@sharonkesel4682]

That was the original idea, but Leo got his buddy a part and RD got the Hale part. @@msomgxxx3851

[@jai1675]

17:57 trust n believe: Scorsese films have EVERY deliberate detail for the purpose of the film- so glad you caught that!!! Brendan Fraser is a seasoned enough fine actor he knows he’s coming in like a full force.

[@poisonedcheeseproductions]

Brendan Fraser absolutely KILLED it in his cameo honestly. It added value to the film in a way that made it much more entertaining to view, and it wakes up the audience because he doesn't come in until you are 120 minutes deep into the film. As a failed law student, I noticed lawyers in courtrooms tend to act theatrical or speak passionately in an attempt to compel the judge and jury to make decisions in their favor. There are moments like the one portrayed in the film where if the defending attorney was soft-spoken that his opportunity to counsel the witness would have been refused. (i doubt if this exact situation happens in modern court, but I guess wayyy back then something like this could have happened...?)

[@sw45prime]

This movie is simply a door. A door with a window in it. You can walk up to the door, look through the window and then make your choice. Nice door, nice window and walk away. OR you can stop and keep looking through that window either understanding what you see or realizing what you're seeing and then think about opening that door. Once you open it and go through that door you walk into a space to just realize that this movie is simply a murderous piece in a much larger puzzle with each piece just as murderous. Then you ask yourself if you have the courage to put the entire puzzle together because if it is bad as you think it is, you'll be horrified to find out that "your people" are the ones who did this. And continue to do so.

[@jacquelinekrantz3937]

It took a movie for you to realize that? You think stuff like this has stopped happening? Google Charles Stuart from Reading, Mass. Pure evil and the cops that carried out a witch hunt based of that evil man's lying words. Or maybe turn on the news and see public servants, paid to protect and serve killing non white people at will. Wake up!

[@ericsmusic5927]

Your mom is a door

[@sadem1045]

The book focused on the crimes and the fact that the FBI SURPRISINGLY handled getting the Osage some justice quite well.

[@mikeg2491]

Probably because the FBI was a new entity and hadn’t been corrupted by decades of bureaucracy yet

[@My_Personal_Youtube]

"So if people say they want it more like the book, ask them if they read the book" is kind of ironic because the large majority of people who read the book prefer the book. Yes, it focuses more on the FBI, but it also focuses less on Earnest to make room for the Osage/Mollie's perspective.

[@tgo007]

No way they could have done the movie from the fbi detective pov like the book. It would have been like a white savior mystery movie.

[@sadem1045]

What weird responses to me explaining what the book is about

[@sadem1045]

@tgo007 So if a person, who just so happens to be white, does something good we should not bring attention to it?

[@93MANIAC]

Nice review I saw the movie in the cinema and it was really good but I would not mind if it had been turned into a mini series instead in order to really flesh everything out and one thing that I really wish that the movie had brought up is the really funny fact that after Ernest died at the ripe old age of 94. His will stated that he wanted to be cremated, and his ashes spread around the Osage Hills. His son James chucked the ashes over a bridge instead.

[@gideon11]

Thanks

[@steve.santiago]

Love how you played the CREAM instrumental for a little while there. Clever

[@CaesarJayL]

Really great movie!❤ extremely sad but as a native Oklahoman it's about time for the hidden historic events to come to light.

[@sahandehteshami7404]

Hale might be one of the biggest menaces in a movie

[@AramakPro]

This was an amazing review! Cheers! I'm so proud of you for pointing out how crazy the doctors were! The doc with the white hair truly had me cracking up EVERY ONE of his scenes with his laughing at inappropriate shit and literally laughing at the crazy shit going on. It's something that Tarantino does a lot as well and I just love it. I LOVE THIS SHOW! Keep up the great work!

[@JesikaTheJackalope]

On one hand, I’m happy our stories and true histories are finally coming to light and getting recognition. On the other, this felt like another ‘Dances with Wolves.’ It was a Native American movie about a white guy. Even in the previews, they only listed Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro, directed by Martin Scorsese. I, along with a lot of other natives, thought “are you going to have Native Americans in your Native American movie?” I liked the film, just had those few mixed feelings. (Along with a little disgust that they were still trying to frame it as a love story til the end.) The Native American Film Festival is this month and I can’t wait to see native stories being told by native people, and I’m curious what will be available through streaming after.

[@LetMeExplain]

Hope you catch some great films! Definitely recommend Fancy Dance with Lily 👍

[@ninagrace-lee8323]

I’m not indigenous so my opinion may not mean much. But this wasn’t a love story at all. Colonialism corrupts love and humanity in people. And it’s an obvious criticism of people who act like they can’t be racist or downright evil just bc they’re married to someone of a different race. They can be the worst ones many times, using their partner as a cover for how they really feel. There’s actually quite a few times Ernest is verbally abusive and downright racist to his wife, before anything truly crazy happens. And to the end, Ernest pretending that his love was real, was downright creepy. It obviously wasn’t. There’s so much to be said about their relationship. And me personally, I didn’t get a romanticization of their relationship. That’s not my interpretation. I would be curious to see the same story from his wife’s perspective though- I think that matters

[@arturintete2461]

Felt more like they wanted the viewer to be constantly waiting for Ernest to realize he’s wrong and save the day only to crush you with the reality that he never cared. It was a love story only in the sense of projection. Only in our minds, where we’ve been conditioned by western media to think history has concluded with the best outcome, do we impose the expectation of a love story. However, the inherent insidiousness of the relationship was directly shown to us from the very beginning. We knew what was going to happen; we just ignored it. No love was ever even implied in the film. Only abuse.

[@JesikaTheJackalope]

@@arturintete2461 Maybe it’s just the people around me that I’m “blessed with.” I had a few co workers asking me questions (I’m Lakota, not Osage…) and trying to push “well, he loved her in his own way” narrative. I had to debate that he was smart enough to know he was poisoning her, and how would you have the heart to do that to someone when you supposedly love them?

[@JesikaTheJackalope]

@@ninagrace-lee8323 I completely understand where you’re coming from. I just had so many people excuse his blatant disrespectful and behavior to her face with “it was a different time.” And also try to push “he loved her in his own way” because of how he looked so heart broken at the end when she left him. I had to legitimately argue with people that you wouldn’t be able to poison someone if you truly love them 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@jp32123]

Shout out to the people who wrote the script for this video. This is great content.

[@ChironBroderick]

Lily 👏 F-ing 👏 Gladstone 👏

[@yogijager]

wtf about her

[@raid4deforce259]

@@yogijager She was fantastic.

[@murk4552]

Her performance, ingrate.

[@Sd3cinema]

My biggest issue was that it mostly only told the story from the villains perspective, and yet again put the natives in the background. By using charismatic actors that we love, it automatically gave the bad guys charisma they didn’t deserve. As harsh as her mothers comment was, she wasn’t wrong. Her daughters trusting and marrying all these white men was ultimately the death of them.

[@houstonveganchick5659]

great point

[@AK-74K]

What charisma did Leonardo DiCaprio character have? He played a pathetic man.

[@knockitoffhudson3470]

The so-called charismatic characters were some of the most unlikeable, irredeemable, and un charismatic characters I've ever seen in a movie.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

​@@knockitoffhudson3470Agreed. Everytime Hale showed his face into the screen, I want to punch him in the face. It helps that I forget he is Robert de Niro. Also since the pov is from the villain side, we as the viewer (at least me) feel disgusted by what they do when they themselves did all of it without any guilt

[@knockitoffhudson3470]

@L16htW4rr10r yeah the only attempt I saw at making any character even somewhat human is by telling us he loved his wife whilst doing the exact opposite. Without just saying what happens in the movie, there was no love there, and no chemistry either, doesn't help.

[@m3rrys0ngstr3ss]

Finally watched this now that it's out on streaming, and thankfully I read the book first! It made certain scenes not necessarily *easier* to see, but at least I wasn't completely blindsided.

[@emo7636]

I lost it at 'looking like Orville Redenbocker'. That was the greatest description.

[@TheSilverwing999]

The view point actually adds to the point being made. You see how absolutely terrible the white men were in the movie and a few times you want to root for them and hope they do good and change their mind but they just never do and it gets worse and worse. It makes you realize that they are bad more than the native American view point would have done

[@bccsivxx-xxivvii]

0:03 I'm part Cherokee. And trust me, everybody has been claiming they're part Indian for a long time. Every time it's come up in conversation since I was a kid until now in my 40s, at least half the white guys in the room chime in about their supposed Indian blood.

[@allluvin7977]

Unless you used the ancestry to confirm I won’t believe you is something I’d say to people who think they’re part cherokee

[@bccsivxx-xxivvii]

@@allluvin7977 I usually just ignore it. I've called people out a few times. But in most settings, especially a work setting, it's not worth my breath. Funny enough, them thinking we have something like that in common kind of works in my advantage sometimes.

[@futurestoryteller]

It's literally in a lineage book written by my grandfather, but I guess facts don't matter when they annoy people. Or, you know when they don't matter. I guess there's that also.

[@andrewdeen1]

His welcome mat 'KIGY' means "klansman, I greet you"

[@LetMeExplain]

Wow, great catch!

[@Rashadjameson]

I absolutely loved this movie because it shows that the same devils that exist today have always existed ❗ history repeats itself and the world is changing but unfortunately not fast enough because the snakes still snaking smh

[@alienRezdent]

I'm here to read the comments of the most cruel people on earth history

[@breezenem]

scratching my head at these comments… in 2024 yall didnt know what white people did to the indigenous people 😭😭😭 felt like i knew this since 1st grade

[@akaawesome3335]

I think that in a lot of schools it’s sort of tip toed around exactly how intentional and systematic the ethnic cleansing was, it’s taught as more of a “biproduct” of the settlers coming the America (wars were fought, diseases were spread).

[@Skywalkerthegreat]

Trail of tears.

[@dancegod1691]

They know, they just downplay it.

[@onemaddad3823]

THANK YOU for not just glossing over the fact that Hale was a high ranking Freemason. That scene where he punishes Ernest in that Freemason ritual room, is significant. It’s not something to just be overlooked. Hale also hints that he’s working for people above him, and that this whole thing isn’t just his doing, but that he’s following orders too. People think Freemasons are just some conspiracy and that they’re just a club of sorts. No. They’re the people who orchestrate every event happening around the world.

[@robotlegs]

Did you forget to mention something about flat earth and chemtrails while you were here?

[@guyinc0gnito]

used to be a mason and I assure you it’s just a bunch of self-important ex fraternity dads in their 50s

[@ericg1100]

YES thank you. That scene was so telling.

[@ericg1100]

@@robotlegsu think masons are a conspiracy?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@onemaddad3823]

@@guyinc0gnito sorry man but you’re wrong. The lower levels know nothing of the truth of their fraternity. It isn’t until the higher levels, 30 and up that you learn the truth of the “light” you’ve been worshipping. Learn about symbolism and history, and you’ll figure out that it’s NOT just a bunch of old men hanging out.

[@MrJeffcoley1]

Lily Gladstone did a good job acting with just her facial expressions because she has very little dialogue

[@TheCasou]

Rich black men have been practicing moving Black money to other communities willingly forever. Some people need to study this phenomenon, that’s quite fascinating to me.

[@RyanG0899]

They seem to be extremely bad at it since every single black community is still in the gutter.

[@Graciekmo]

Omg if yall want a good indigenous movie that came out recently, Slash Back on shudder is a mix of The Thing and The Goonies set in an Inuit community w a full indigenous cast/ crew it’s literally so bad ass and heartwarming I highly recommend

[@ItsYaBoiV]

It's another movie where people will come out of it saying "Poor Native Americans!" aaaaand then forget about us again in a day or two.

[@futurestoryteller]

Would be better to be ignored entirely?

[@skizzz3884]

All you natives talk about is how tough and great you are but when white people don’t care about you all you can do is cry about it.

[@squidfromtheloft7894]

@@futurestoryteller Don't they do that already?

[@futurestoryteller]

@@squidfromtheloft7894 Okay? What's the movie then?

[@90ejb]

​@@futurestorytellerSomething that caught someone's attention for a few minutes.

[@CaulkMongler]

Story time: when I saw a trailer for this in the movie theater, there was a middle aged white guy who sat behind me with his wife and he said (paraphrasing) “I guess we can’t go see it because it’s woke” I’m guessing in reference to a line in the trailer that goes something like “I want to kill these white men who’ve killed my family”. It was simultaneously infuriating and blood boiling because this is literally the history of so many tribes, some that were wiped from existence. And yeah, native people called them the white settlers back in the day, they didn’t have political correctness back when all that mattered was survival. It was just ironic that he had quite a snowflake-like reaction to a culturally accurate trailer, and chooses to be ignorant to the bloody history of the establishment of the USA.

[@thoroughlyrustled6186]

Your comment is even more infuriating, as if you don't understand that reaction. Yes it was wrong, factually speaking, but its to be EXPECTED based on a consistent stream line of woke movies.

[@amandamoore7512]

Just tell him it’s the same rules for the absolute requirement of dropping the n word hard r at least a dozen times in white savior slavery movies, “it’s not racist/woke, it’s HISTORICALLY ACCURATE”

[@CaulkMongler]

@@thoroughlyrustled6186 I understand perfectly why he has that reaction, I just think it’s snowflake-like to center himself as the victim when anyone with a vague sense of history knows settlers wiped out native Americans, systematically eradicated their culture, and he has so little empathy to think a Scorcese film of all things is going to end up a anti-white propaganda film?

[@CaulkMongler]

@@amandamoore7512 I personally find conversations with those kinds of people who have already settled their minds on something to be exhausting. There’s little a stranger (who’s also non-white and visibly queer) could say to change his mind before he thinks “well of course you agree with the film, you’re one of them!” I don’t see an issue with use of accurate language as long as it’s productive toward the larger creative message fyi.

[@shadowofthenamelessking]

@@CaulkMonglerWith so much anti-white racism in this nation, the last thing we need is for popular media to continue it. Sure you can showcase history and the brutalities Europeans settlers have committed in the past, though it’s worth noting how that might go over among the general populace (who are exposed to far left politics, including anti-white racism in the media and academia). We never learn any atrocities committed by the Natives or any other color for that matter, it’s only ever white people they feel the need to portray.

[@concetta_green4230]

Great assessment video!

[@amanjaiswal9389]

Great video. Probably the best video essay I've seen on the film.

[@lilnativewarrior591]

ayye i watch your vids all the time never expected a movie bout my people and was a background in, that you'd cover

[@Nicholas_is_my_name]

I saw what you did with the indigenous inviting into your home part Thank you ❤🍉

[@MrSiriusAB]

3:20 Bahahaha, you didn't have to do DiCaprio like that 😂😭😭

[@kyuminnie137]

Tbh i like this movie much better than Oppenheimer

[@pepperminttree]

wow the amount of things you noticed is amazing

[@homeskilletbiscuit7683]

“Can you imagine”…….yes I can I live in SA, the modern Osage

[@sergiogarcia7171]

Scorsese needs to direct a Tulsa Massacre film next.

[@mikeg2491]

Only if they show the TRUE history like that JB Stratford was running gambling, prostitution and drug dealing out of his hotel and him stopping his payola to the local corrupt white authorities is a big reason why the riot happened. It was total Boardwalk Empire/Sopranos stuff but it’s been watered down into a martyrdom tale.

[@tigerlilly9038]

I am astonished at how many people are in the comments who are SURPRISED at NATIVE GENOCIDE..like WHERE TF y'all been living? *The WHOLE OF AMERICA BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE* BEFORE 1776!! MY GOD be honest to yourself!! 😮

[@crasnicul3371]

"the whole of america" was constantly disputed between warring native tribes before the white man came and proved himself superiour at warfare. its the way the world works.

[@laylah150]

This movie really hit a cord. As we are watching the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the land theft of Palestine. Its really irks me how we are able to look back and think "why didn't people realise and do something". Hindsight is 2020 I guess.

[@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an]

People don’t truly realize how fucked up some things were until it’s already done, sadly

[@ajb117]

Good to know you agree with baby killing if the babies look different.

[@steveleeart]

lol you’re the second video today I saw that mentioned Swift playing in adjoining theatres. I’m so lucky each of the 3x I saw it, I couldn’t hear other movies.

[@Schellnino1994]

Best review i have seen of this yet! Glad to know i was the only one hearing "Shake it Off"

[@Chicano_pistolero]

Federally funded clinica also sterilized thousands of native and Hispanic women for years. My mothers tubes were tied without her consent in one of the planned parenthood clinics after she had a miscarriage.

[@leonconnelly5303]

Dicaprio is great at playing complete losers and wealthy Chad's, great versatility

[@MidTierVillain]

Martin Scorsese is my favorite director/film maker, I consider him THE greatest of ALL time, hands down. There’s not one film of his I felt was average, or phoned in by him.. every film, project, and series he was involved in? You know where his finger prints were laid on.. the man’s perfection in cinema form. He really captures the nuance in every character, and the angles he chooses are characters of their own- every scene is shot with purpose, as well, he has zero fat on his movies. You can’t take away one scene, everything counts, and even more so? His choice in color gradation is so much more than just a little bit of detail, it’s an emotion. Truly a masterpiece of theater in human form, and I simply admire him- I, too, hope to make films, like him, but in the way I see the world.. the way I see ppl, scenery, dialogue, and emotion. I have a coming of age story I’m working on, but it’s a noir crime thriller based on real history during a certain era here in Memphis- surrounding Jack & Danny Owens, and a club called *Bucket Of Blood* • Movie title: _Memphis Blues_

[@bev9708]

GREAT analysis, thanks so much for that!! It's so strange that despite being 25min longer than Oppenheimer, to me KOTFM didn't feel as long!! Of course both are absolutely masterful epics whichever our own personal preference anyway!!

[@severinks8887]

It's not poison that is added to Mollie's inulin it's MORPHINE(to keep her from making trouble) and that's why she's always nodding and why Earnest is nodding and out of it when he started talking it and why he can hardly focus when getting arrested and interrogated.. The crazy thing is that in real life Mollie married Earnest's brother and when she died he and Ernest stole her furniture and sold it by having a garage sale out on the lawn..

[@milesinwyatteandcora]

The ending is ki da of a homage to how back then news was delivered specially from hoover to boost the fbi since fbi was coming along from the ground up back then. Scorsese did his own touch with his own words to sum it up.

[@rishitapal4172]

Nothing could have prepared me for Leo’s teeth

[@micheledobbs1724]

They were modeled off the real Ernest

[@elizabethstops2362]

People back then didn't have dental care like today. Even George Washington had a set of wooden "clappers" as they called them. Read a book once in a while and learn something.

[@johncarroll772]

​@@elizabethstops2362Washington did not have wooden teeth, maybe you should read more books

[@houstonveganchick5659]

Despite it being 3.5 hours long, the movie was an easy watch! I strongly dislike what happened to the Osage ppl, .....it was good to see this story told in film....the world needs to know what these type of people have done to almost every group of people on earth. SMH

[@juiccetin9014]

I’m happy anytime anytime native people stories are covered on from west to east and the mountains spanning north and south it’s depressing yet motivating being apart of a people nearly gone completely

[@afshanqureshi7739]

The parallels with current affairs are so obvious. Devious men still committing the same crimes on peoples different from them

[@garrett1433]

The ost they played during the 1st trailer was God tier 💯

[@travisspazz1624]

It lied to me because Tom White is essentially the main character in the book. 💀

[@micheledobbs1724]

Scorsese and the Osage nation wanted it to be about the Osage not a white savior movie

[@Em35nyc]

@@micheledobbs1724and yet it was a Leonardo DiCaprio vehicle essentially

[@micheledobbs1724]

@Em35nyc and yet even lily Gladstone said. If he wasn't Ernest and he was the detective...mollies part would have been much smaller

[@Em35nyc]

@@micheledobbs1724 and yet mollie was still underwritten in this movie

[@southerncross936]

I live about an hour from pawhuska..the osage headquarters.i love that this movie brought attention to the osage.i currently live on Cherokee land.lot of history..look up frank phillips..his story is a great one.

[@grod805]

KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON was better than Oppenheimer. There I said it

[@sayakchoudhury9711]

My sentiment, exactly.

[@SaiyanZephyr]

I read the book in prison in 2019 and can’t wait to watch this movie because the book was great and eye opening

[@medilies]

14:10 israel mentionned

[@X139T]

The most American movie I’ve seen in a while, it’s time to start tell the truth

[@Thomas-VA]

I will put in on the schedule after my next Marvel movie

[@ibbis]

Really great job on this video

[@veronicawilson7594]

The girl in the green dress from August Osage Country should have been in this film, but the killers are still killing.

[@maralinekozial9131]

Bought this & Openhimer yesterday & it was worth the 45$ just buying it from KZbin alone cuz these are both movies that get better after each viewing!!! The first time its good , the second it's better & by the third time u watch both films they become a drug almost because there's something more impressive every single time u watch both films!!! That line in that scene in this film when Brendan Fraiser says : "He is saving u!!!! Dumb boy!!!!" Is the best line in the entire film & there is so much going on in this entire film that is crazy but that scene is absolutely beyond crazy asf!!!!! I love how Brenden Frasier fell off in his career for so many years but then randomly pops up & challenges Leo in a "act off" challenge in that particular scene cuz they really do both play it so damn perfect together especially him being a dimwit in a room full of FreeMasons & Oil tycoons & Lawyers & Doctors & even the towns Sheriff & just people of power in general that are all showing him how easy hes really got it made in his life & that all he literally has to do is keep his mouth shut & he can go back to his family & yeah its funny cuz he still is too damn slow & stupid to understand anything they are telling him but regardless of him being technically a murderer & stupid & dumb asf , he's still literally the only person in that entire room with a damn conscience!!!! The scene is absolutely crazy good!!!!!! Please don't hate or be sensitive of everything that i mentioned above all the other more serious tones in this film cuz trust me , i literally felt alot of things in this film probably more than u did especially Mollys character , but the acting is everything i thought i had to start paying more attention to just to get my mind off of my personal torment!!!! I finally had to stop crying over this movie after the first few times watching it considering i actually lost my latin/native girlfriend from childhood Diabetes a few months ago !!!! I had to just stop crying at one point & start looking at the acting in the film just to take my mind off of it cuz the film is too on point with Mollys character in this movie to someone like myself & it was literally destroying me too much to even be able to watch this with anyone else & too many ppl wanted to really watch this film with me really bad so i literally had to watch it a few times by myself just to get past the personal tears before i felt like watching this with anyone else because its beyond hard having your real life love actually die from diabetes in real life & then seeing Mollys character arc regardless if she doesn't die in the movie or not , her acting was so on point especially when it came to her diabetes & sickness!!!! It was all the little suttle things she did that really fucked me up watching this film the first few times even over all the brutal murders & racism!!!! This movie is unfortunately personal for me in ways that it won't be for most others!!!!!

[@Turbulance16]

"Based on a true story that is based on a true story"