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Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4nCfJehpKyridU Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer.

[@ViCT0RiA6]

youre sick for monetizing this type of content while innocent people and children are being starved and killed in Palestine. there is no debate and youre beyond wrong for platforming this as such.

[@gh0st409]

Enough of this idi0t in your show bro.

[@ollienl5249]

@@ViCT0RiA6 One man's death is another man's bread. That is how the world works since the day it all started. You cannot shame one for practicing what is hardcoded in their DNA. That includes you too, young lady.

[@VinylCP]

Isn't allowing people to damn themselves on a public platform essentially a net positive? Idk why you'd be salty that Lex takes some $ home as a result of his making it available.

[@Zoe_r146]

Im supposed to take a college dropout seriously? Who uses wikipedia as a source? Who debates on discord ? And Interrupts? Gtfo theres 3 scholars and 1 idiot.

[@nighttrain1565]

The fact destiny has a seat at the table is absolutely hysterical

[@burtdandy5755]

viewers only

[@TheLozeszkur]

the fact that anybody gives this idiot any platform is unbelieveable.

[@HostileTakeover555]

Why? What specifically did he present that was incorrect? Respected Benny Morris agreed with him numerous times through out.

[@SerenaLi-dl9bl]

He was way better than Norm. I don’t know if Norm should have a seat at any table.

[@abdc2990]

​@@HostileTakeover555I would give OP the benefit of the doubt here, I think it's funny to see D-man who didn't know jack about this topic 5 months ago being so quick on his feet to dunk on the supposed most fampus pro palestine academic currently.

[@xxabulletxx]

Historian vs Wikipedia's finest redditor

[@randommofo123]

Please don't call fecalstain a redditor.

[@jonathonchabluk5070]

Finkelstein isn’t a historian lmfao

[@johnvermassen]

@@jonathonchabluk5070Raul Hilberg the founder of Holocaust studies disagrees

[@jonathonchabluk5070]

@@johnvermassen I don’t care about what somebody else thinks. Finkelstein is a sociology major, not a history one.

[@Greg-cr2dw]

​@@johnvermassen Neat. I guess he's wrong, too, then. Would you also assume the world is flat if he said so?

[@ahmaddahbour3091]

The IDF literally bragged on twitter saying “we know where every bullet landed.”

[@robertnicholls9917]

This is the infuriating part. These Zionist defenders hear them bragging like we do but love playing dumb. They're not there in good faith. The goal is to make people doubt the facts and truth.

[@tempacc9589]

Idf: There are no accidents Mr Borelli: That's just an accident! Destiny sounds like one of those kids defending Iraq war crimes bragging criminal courts exist and our military would never do any war crimes.

[@gavinvales8928]

Citation needed

[@Ben-xf7uy]

We just making stuff up now??? Or just not giving context to fit your narrative??? Hamas are straight up actual terrorist. I guarantee you are a silly kid who has no real consistency when it comes to Israel. What does equal force look like??? Who broke the cease fire on October 7th??? You are incredibly simple minded hahaha. What is the appropriate response for Israel to have to October 7th??

[@nerdemoji280]

@@tempacc9589 There are clips with millions of views of Destiny saying that the IDF commits war crimes. In the debate, he specifically objected to the charge of genocide, and brought a strong argument along with him. I suggest you actually watch the debate instead of mindlessly repeating Hasan's reaction videos. Destiny cleared Finkelstein, who came off as a petulant child. Even Finkelstein's debate partner (who was actually quite good, probably the strongest debater of the four) was embarrassed.

[@Joseph-tj2in]

The fact that Destiny irritated Norman Finkelstein enough to insult him but not rabbi Shmuley is pretty wild

[@johnathandeleonlopez881]

Rabbi schmuly is a frauder and knows it. Destiny is just a pseudo intellectual

[@Freedomforeverall]

Look at his face I'd bw irritated too

[@Itiswhatitis638]

It’s because destiny is idiotically arrogant. It’s infuriating when someone doesn’t realise just how ill equipped they are.

[@user-nv4nb5ef3g]

It's cos he was 1v1 with Shmuley - if you speak slow like Finky 1v1 it can work to your advantage; however, speak slow in a team debate (esp. vs someone like Destiny) & you start to feel like you're letting the side down by being too slow!

[@thedarknessunderneathpodca6366]

Finkelstein was already irritated with Destiny. Destiny didn't show up at their original debate, if I recall correctly, and was dismissive of Finkelstein's time.

[@upstanding_citizen]

Hamas stole a piece of Destiny's beard, that's a disgrace

[@rottenfreddy3759]

Lmao

[@illahham]

KHAMAS

[@AQS521]

His beard always looks so bad even without that scuff mark. It makes him look punchable with that soy beard.

[@strangeman9362]

I bet you're like norm resorting to ad hominems and insults as a means of Winning a debate 😂

[@fabianortiz5560]

Lmmmaaoooooo

[@TheLeadAttorney]

You are about to be insulted when they say to you, “With all due respect….”

[@joshuafrank4643]

Glad I read your comment before I wrote mine earlier because I was literally going to write the same exact thing!

[@mekbebtamrat817]

Nice to see you here Lead. It has been a while. I was one of your first subs. Hope you are well.

[@malimal4972]

Lead are you going on anytime soon?

[@SDREHXC]

It’s a really great phrase because for half a second the person thinks they’re being respected until they realize the amount of respect due is none.

[@Yondervan2]

But he lost…

[@WillyOrca]

If you play this at 1.25x speed, Finklestein's tempo is normalized, but Destiny becomes imperceptible. If you play it at .75x speed, Destiny's tempo is normalized but Finklestein's audio sounds like blue whale vocalizations.

[@BassFlapper]

What a great summary

[@Top_Weeb]

Finklestein is so majestic.

[@Support-your-local-team]

The IDF's body count is tied with Destiny's wife at 30 thousand since October 7th.

[@AyatoIlah]

YOOOOOOOO 🎉

[@antoniakarpova]

😂😂😂😂

[@tonywords6713]

Savage

[@heartfeltteaching]

This is fiiiiiiiiiiire bro

[@artfasil]

ouch

[@jjthomas8171]

Everytime he says “Mr Borelli” I die laughing

[@Hankblue]

At 3:31 it became "Mr Morelli", it only has 3 letters left from the original name 😂

[@Konanan]

Truly the behaviour you expect from a respected historian.

[@rehx4]

Finkelstein is such a charlatan. Whatever you think about the conflict, it exposes your intellect (or laziness) if you are someone who thinks Finkelstein is a good faith actor. END OF STORY. There are plenty of people who make the case for supporting Palestinian causes who don't act in bad faith like Finkelstein. He used every dirty tactic in the book. If you don't understand what I'm referring to then learn more history, do more research and then do a better job of sifting through the ad hominin and false dilemma arguments that Finkelstein crams (like f'ing crazy) into his narratives.

[@walkinbeauty7248]

Because his student named him boring racist.

[@JonoMatee]

Lol yeh classic trolling from Norm. Good on Destiny for handling it so well.

[@neyazahmed309]

Destiny trying to educate a man who spent entire life academically studying the issue😂😂😂😂

[@Makonator007]

Finkle was tbh poor in this debate.

[@OmniTranscend]

​@@Makonator007even a poor Norman walks over the childish destiny

[@tempacc9589]

​​@@Makonator007To anyone who knows nothing Finkle might look poor because Destiny screams loads of lies with enough confidence like a 13 year old child. Go google the four kids killed on the beach. Destiny was 100% lying and Norm was completely right.

[@Makonator007]

@tempacc9589 when you answer on certain questions that are not true, usually it's "that's a lie", or you just tell what the truth is...norm on lots of them just go "don't show ur ignorance", without offering counter points...not all but on a lot of them....even lex stopped him from quoting Benny's line...

[@kamahhl]

Morris, who is the most prominent historian in this topic, agrees with Destiny on everything, so keep coping😂

[@deanodebo]

Norms comedic timing is impeccable. I’m not saying the topic is funny, but seriously, the guy has comedic talent

[@ronenmarom]

Destiny has a Phd in Wikipedia knowledge.

[@suren5174]

Just as bad as Finkelstein's PhD in Ad Hominems.

[@PoliticsReal]

​@@suren5174Destiny kept desperately looking at Wikipedia to get his digs in lol.

[@sikkouvol.1996]

@@PoliticsReal I know you are not that stupid to think that was actually wiki, right?

[@PoliticsReal]

@@sikkouvol.1996 Cope more stan

[@chcsab9770]

​@@sikkouvol.1996he is that stupid

[@Terminalss]

Pretty unfair that Mr Finkle had to debate Mr Bonell, Borelli, and Bonelli all at the same time

[@jamiejulian5618]

And MORELLI

[@MindForgedManacle]

Don't steal jokes from the comment section of the original video, come on

[@milkyway208O]

When your ideology and beliefs get proven completely wrong so the best thing you can do is make fun of mispronouncing names:

[@kasino7132]

Stop recycling jokes

[@Terminalss]

@@kasino7132 please dont arrest me 🙏

[@turntableable]

Destiny the next day: “Norm Finkelstein called me fantastic”

[@lucasbusselen9137]

Clip?

[@kevinswanson7740]

LMAO 😂

[@abundantharmony]

​@@lucasbusselen9137it's a joke you fool.

[@internethardcase]

@@lucasbusselen9137 brainlet

[@BowlSoHard]

Mr. Broccoli’s nervous tick with the pen is hilarious 😂

[@joefurtek8837]

He probably isn't even close to the amount of books katt williams has read.

[@aca2156]

😂😂😂

[@digjayd]

Banger

[@MandosCulture]

In a year, Katt clears more than all 5 put together 💪💪💪

[@joshuagoldstein8116]

They only let him take out 20 books at a time!!

[@alihamdon6644]

He smoked so much crack he couldn’t give you a synopsis on a single one

[@billr2505]

Killing children is bad.

[@spiderqueen601]

So don’t start wars and use them as shields. And also don’t use teenage soldiers and call them children.

[@sov3273]

@@spiderqueen601 all those points you made were destroyed in this debate you’re not high enough iq to have an opinion on this

[@sov3273]

@@spiderqueen601 All those points were destroyed in the debate

[@robertpirsig5011]

​@@spiderqueen601Israel started the war decades ago

[@dylanbecker3979]

Start a war? Israel kills a few thousand palestinians every 3 or 4 years... they call it "mowing the grass" but palestinian lives mean so much less to you that all those times dont count. Unsurprising your view is shared by zionists and nobody else.

[@AverageToAndrew]

"Mr. Borelli, you are such a fantastic moron, its terrifying" 🤣 Get em Norman.

[@user-rv2zj8zu5b]

Even Benny laughs

[@cluttereddrawers2084]

80 year old man acting like he is 8 years old and this is your academic lol

[@neosyk_]

So an empty point without a rebuttal. Are you a child?

[@user-rv2zj8zu5b]

@@neosyk_ isn’t that what you just did?

[@helenakolar]

SO BRILLIANT. 😂

[@IAmNumber4000]

Destiny’s position in this debate was a coked-up rendition of Ben Shapiro’s “I don’t care about civilian casualties” middle school article

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

Neither does Finkelstein. He is selectively sanctimonious.

[@Taureg]

Destiny thought his "war is hell" argument was the ultimate checkmate

[@Spittin_Bars]

Its definitely adderall or vyvanse, no coke on earth can make you talk that fast while simultaneously saying not a god damn thing.

[@yoshi4155]

3:40 Destiny quotes the UN saying "While the vast majority of protesters acted in a peaceful manner.." 4:18 Destiny saying how Norm referred to the march as "mostly peaceful" as if it's false and ridiculous. He accuses Norm of selectively reading/acknowledging UN statements and then demonstrates straight after what selective reading looks like.

[@xXxXxX-x-XxXxXx]

thank you.

[@gregoryo1903]

This happened the entire debate. Destiny was consistently missing the precision of what was being said, or missing the entire point.

[@ozymandias8523]

Bro Destiny himself said he is pro genocjde against Palestinian (way before oct 7), obviously he will have bias to be pro isrsel

[@Scorchxray]

Destiny is a defective Uzi spraying everywhere not hitting anything. Finkelstein is a 380mm devastating cannon.

[@stevebowen6071]

I'm sure destiny's wife's boyfriend is very proud of how he handled himself in this debate.

[@keithframe3489]

lmao

[@barney10240]

Nah, both of them left him with the kid lmao

[@SirArghPirate]

@@barney10240 no way?!

[@701delbronx8]

She broke up with him to date a Swedish twink she was already sleeping with

[@Rio-zh2wb]

lol

[@toddmenzing6828]

People making excuses for murdering children. SMH.

[@Killer1260]

It’s called collateral damage my dude … do you know nothing of war?

[@Killer1260]

How many German children died during ww2? Completely unacceptable according to your naive opinion

[@toddmenzing6828]

Yes, horrific and unacceptable. What if they were your kids?@@Killer1260

[@toddmenzing6828]

Your moniker is apt@@Killer1260

[@toddmenzing6828]

It's not a video game. @@Killer1260

[@adrianomfg]

“Then let me educate you?” Destiny a KZbin gamer, has the audacity to say that to PROFESSOR Finkelstein?

[@AjaxDGonzo]

Finklestein who couldn’t remember dolus specialis even though he claimed to have read that document 3 times? The same guy that kept cutting off the person reading from the actual document. The guy who kept trying to explain to an author what that author meant in his own book? The one the moderator had to cut off twice in the debate?

[@Lysergicide25]

​@@AjaxDGonzo In all fairness, Norm has been studying this for 40 years. His memory isn't as good as it once was.

[@AjaxDGonzo]

@@Lysergicide25 well and assuming all of the scholars have read 10,000 books then to average it that’s at least 3,333 for Norm, plus rereading books too. His brain must be fried, but it doesn’t compare to Katt Williams

[@kevinswanson7740]

@@AjaxDGonzo the bozo read the UN report that said the March was MOSTLY PEACEFUL and then said Norm was lying about the March being mostly peaceful. Don’t try and save face for this dipshit 😂

[@altairauditore1398]

​@AjaxDGonzo what are u talking about? He remembers it.. he just wanted to point out that the correct term in this context is "mens rea"

[@TSEliot1978]

Why is Destiny even debating with University Professors? 😂😂😂

[@HostileTakeover555]

Finklestein was denied tenure because of his incompetence. What specifically did he say that was incorrect? Morris who Finklestein lauds in this clip complements him throughout.

[@SerenaLi-dl9bl]

What is this dumb gatekeeping just look at what they actually said

[@oscarjarzmik8453]

@@HostileTakeover555 He wasn't denied tenure for "incompetence." You're either an idiot or you just think we are.

[@xmathmanx]

lol, what kind of dimwit still respects university ranks?

[@sehbanomer8151]

@@SerenaLi-dl9bl hard to do that when they keep talking over each other. At least the universtiy professors have proper debate etiquette. Destiny appear to care about winning, not the truth, from what I've seen in this clip.

[@CocoaBeanWhip]

absolutely brilliant comedy, after repeated minutes of enough shouting over each other to give one tinnitus, Lex reveals to us that he is actually the moderator that is moderating a moderated debate.

[@BeeVee-zz9ip]

Funniest part hands down “this is not hilarious”

[@megleyd]

HAHAHA

[@aga5109]

It is not easy to moderate while people shout at each other 😂. Lex, come to group therapy, and you know what l mean. Only jocking 😂. In group therapy, setting anything can happen, but a very important task of a group leader - therapist - is to present, apply, and implement the rules of a group. Otherwise , chaos will spread. P.S. Have you seen the meme ? 😂😅😅

[@user-ym7ss6xb3j]

the funny part is that Lex is pro-israel himself 🤡

[@danielharrington5690]

He said in beginning of debate he was going to let it roll because emotions of this debate "speaks volumes" or something like that lol

[@user-lr6vd1cw7s]

Instant internet classic, will be back in ten years to comment to the next generation that I watched it live.

[@calebtatro6512]

In fairness, Norm sat politely through three and a half hours of bullshit before he lost his temper🤷🏻‍♂️

[@lucasbusselen9137]

Then you obviously didn't watch it lol

[@thespaniard3988]

The most animated I've seen Norman Finklestein in a conversation.

[@kalikiter1]

It’s because he’s being challenged in ways he’s never been and it frustrates him. Pretty par for the course.

[@AliLikesIdeas]

@@kalikiter1 whatever you say

[@saifalam2030]

@@kalikiter1 challenge by who. You tubers who are justifying a Holocaust . Kanye did what destiny is doing he was cancelled by everyone

[@magicsaint]

@@kalikiter1 challenged by a video gamer?! It is more like Norman is putting up with people who are not even on the same caliber of knowledge as him.

[@YesLads-tt6ue]

@@saifalam2030????????

[@paulconnelly4050]

I dont anything about the guy with the beard but he reminds me of the old saying, 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'.

[@cluttereddrawers2084]

Any examples? Or you're just getting a feeling you can't back up because you randomly dislike him lol

[@paulconnelly4050]

@@cluttereddrawers2084 you watched it like I did. What do you need quotes for? Do you want me to 'cherry pick' 😂

[@suf1an658]

​@@cluttereddrawers2084as he was reading the report he clearly fucked up. Henece why he read it so fast and mumbled past the part where the report said it was overwhelmingly peaceful. In a large protest of thousands of people there will always be minorities that get careied away and violent, that doesn’t justify the hundreds of killings and attacks on civilians (unless they're Palestinian because they're obviously savages and radicalised ofc ). His debate partner himself literally admitted the IDF acted poorly during the great march and condemned it before Destiny read the report.

[@LedragLP]

the irony of this statement is unfathomable, enough comments for today

[@cluttereddrawers2084]

@@suf1an658 the UN reports the crowd was setting fires at the fence, flying incendiary kites which damaged agriculture, so yes overwhelmingly peaceful, with a tiny minority setting fires and flying fires into Israel. Nobody justified attacks on civilians, destiny and benny both said soldiers in the IDF who targeted people like that should and some have been tried for it.

[@dykemichaels2194]

I didn’t know Lil Dicky was so political.

[@glasgowblackchigowski6117]

It's ironic how that name fits him given the latest turn of events in his life 😂

[@mollykyoto5220]

​​@@glasgowblackchigowski6117 Please tell me if its about this Destiny moron, I can barely stand the secondhand embarassment as soon as he opens his mouth/and or "expressing himself" when someone else talks - in all the wrong places + its overshadowing my anger, too much shame - so I need a release, gossip will do if its funny/degrading, haha

[@MehulPatelLXC]

Man, I always wondered who it was that he reminded me of!

[@masterp401]

Few months ago he didnt even know where isra3l is on the map😂 he came prepared with his wikipedia knowledge😂

[@Cheeseburger33333]

@@masterp401must suck to be a norm fan right now when his years of research cant stand up to wiki warriors

[@ahmedshousha1958]

Finkelstien says: “overwhelming non violent”. Destiny: YoUrE LYING then he reads: “while the vast majority….”Then he continues to cry about it like he is not wrong. This guy is suffering from cognitive dissonance, he is not well versed on the issue and he super qualifies all his statements to weasel his way through arguments. Destiny is a skilled weasel, that’s all he is.

[@Brotherken1234]

Weasel. Perfectly describes him. 👍

[@Top_Weeb]

He is, in fact, a weaselly little liar dude.

[@ajaj6621]

It just demonstrates the difference between a skilled debater who is knowledgeable on the subject matter vs an internet debate lord

[@Helios--]

He's suffering from being a fantastic moron. Dr. Finkelstein diagnosed him accurately lol

[@leftoflibra]

This part… he’s a debate bro… they train to talk the loudest and fastest not because they are right or wrong they just want the perceived “win” by not allowing the other side to talk

[@Iamangelocmedia]

1:53 I’ll even answer Moron’s question 😂😂😂 yoooooooo

[@willgia]

Well respected academic, btw

[@eugenekrabs869]

Talking to wikipedia's finest btw@@willgia

[@Wyllowisp]

@@eugenekrabs869Yet he still came out worse than Ms. Bugatti. How embarrassing.

[@spine5175]

@@willgia yeah he has been writing about this subject before borelli was even conceived. Im sorry bro but even well respected academics have their limits to how much ignorance they can sustain.

[@Soap010]

well he was being a moron@@willgia

[@poundcakeboi3104]

Destiny is what happens when a chronically online kid who took AP classes in high school maintains an adderall addiction into adulthood.

[@b.pack3]

Solid Facts. He makes me embarrassed to be a millennial. Isn’t funny how every single nerdy beta male has a full beard? It’s like it’s their last reminder that they’re actually real men. lol what a bunch of jokes.

[@blackdynamite_5470]

He took way too many classes of socialism

[@axileus9327]

He does verbalize arguments like he’s writing an ap essay examination. Cramming as much as he can into the space available, attempting to indicate his authority on the subject based on his ability to regurgitate officially recognized facts and dates. It’s a lot less impressive when everybody can see you rapidly googling though in the middle of the discussion. It’s also void of meaningful analysis.

[@y.s7787]

@b.pack3 so true

[@russe19642]

Obviously don't like him,but every debate I've seen he's wiped his opponent. So I guess your man got mauled before and you're sad

[@winistan]

Lex telling Finkelstein off for the "hilarious" remark is HILARIOUS because the same Lex was as mute as a fish when Destiny was literally LAUGHING in the room.

[@rafaelrivasducca3979]

Lex did show a Zionist bias...even if he himself isn't. Hasbara??

[@abeltesfaye_]

Lex literally interviewed genocidal war-criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu, and said he did that interview to, "add love in the world." He tweeted it & that tweet is still up for a source. Lex is clearly not objective and supports Zionism. Take that as you will.

[@mateopavolini]

I dont think he told him off, he was excusin (what i assume was himself) for laughin

[@uberneanderthal]

"israel wouldn't do bad things for no reason" seems to be destiny's entire argument

[@vitulus_]

So, I think you're being a bit rhetorical here, and instead what you *mean* is probably that Destiny's argument lacks substance, and hence can be reduced down to a one-liner. Am I correct in saying that? If so, why does Destiny's argument in this video lack substance?

[@tiktokviral6218]

😂😂😂 dayha doctrine

[@rchaudhury3532]

Norm,Mr Borelli ,Mr Morelli and Mr Marselli walk into a bar

[@jorjethezebra]

"Im seeing double, call them both fantastical genocidal morons"

[@theredgoblin562]

All of them argue about politics while their wives leave with different men

[@jonathand3842]

will never understand why you guys refuse to engage with the topic and keep the focus on people's wives they ain't your wives why do you care, focus on the topic why is it that destiny is wrong i'll wait@@theredgoblin562

[@orion00]

...and then the nursing home came and took Norm and his three imaginary friends back.

[@bighillraft]

@@theredgoblin562 Destiny probably ok with that, he can work it into his schedule

[@PMcGJellyP]

There was a moderator that whole 5 minutes?!?

[@TheJalinmyles]

😂😂😂😂 yes!!

[@amineHighTube]

Lex intentionally let them express as they wish

[@derbarone]

bro there was an moderator the whole 5 hours and i didnt notice

[@zainubumar]

😂

[@aga5109]

Have you seen the meme😂😂😂? Look it up.

[@anewmythos9021]

There was a missed opportunity here to clearly point out a contradiction Destiny was making. Destiny emphasized how unlikely it is that civilians were targeted by the IDF simply due to the rigorous checks and balances built into the chain of command, ie it would have to be approved at higher levels, not just by one soldier. But then minutes later he concedes that members of the IDF likely have targeted civilians at times. My question to Destiny would then be, of those cases that you acknowledge civilians have been targeted, by your own logic wouldn’t those have also been approved all the way up the chain of command? This is important because it actually makes Norms point even stronger, Destiny’s own argument proves that these are not just one off rogue soldiers killing civilians, but a deliberate goal of the IDF.

[@bayanbishara6666]

not to mention how the idf killed israeli civillians as well with the testimony of israelis themselves like why wouldnt they kill palestinians?

[@FelixGA9]

Destiny just comes off like he went to the Ben Shapiro school of fast talking B.S. He just wants to look like he’s the smartest one in the room. For a historian, Morris seemed very biased.

[@Jacqueline888]

but fink isn’t biased? 😂

[@cluttereddrawers2084]

Any specific criticism? Lol

[@roiseven4749]

morris' own colleagues in new history claim he's gone off the deep end. he's no longer a serious critical analyst

[@Jacqueline888]

@@roiseven4749 didn’t finklestein’s own colleagues deny him tenure for ad hominem attacks lol

[@shmeggley]

​@@Jacqueline888No, he got railroaded for not toeing the Zionist line

[@Bmarr33]

Finkelstein directly said ...."overwhelming majority", which means he did not lie. Destiny needs to listen a little more and talk less. He so wanted to get a point out that he forgot to make sure it was correct.

[@MindForgedManacle]

To be fair, I think they were complaining about Rabbani. But even he said "clear majority", so it came across as pearl clutching over irrelevant semantics.

[@ESmorgue]

The fact a guy wants us to believe, that aligns himself with men, women can be men. Is hilarious. He such an insight on history but denies recorded and established medical/scientific history. This dude is a clear fraud a fence jumper setup by powerful people to try and influence the youth into a certain narrative.

[@eddieleon9608]

You haven’t even seen the debate…. All these people shitting on Mr. Vitelli didn’t form their own opinions

[@toneloke454]

Your right, how was just deliberately misleading, which is still a slimy form of lying

[@suarezguy]

They both seem oddly, at least overly heated, Destiny slightly more overly confrontational (but the two close) when they were actually mostly agreeing that it was mostly not completely peaceful.

[@citiboiroi]

Stephen “Motormouth” Borelli

[@m.d.sharpe8892]

Brr-brrrOOM. BRRRRROOOOOM

[@JTNugget]

Methmouth

[@mutamirmukhzani1240]

​@@JTNuggetfirst instance I notice someone calling him out

[@martrex2]

Mr. Morelli.

[@proud_islamphobe]

mr.thoroughelly

[@alileevil]

"You got the month wrong". Video game streamers should stick to video games.

[@cluttereddrawers2084]

And the academic should get his facts right when he's read 10,000 books on the subject 😂

[@Claude-dp3mx]

​Even worse is this: 3:40 Destiny quotes the UN saying "While the vast majority of protesters acted in a peaceful manner.." 4:18 Destiny mentioning that Norm referred to the march as "mostly peaceful" as if it's false and ridiculous.

[@thegalaxylab]

while Destiny can definitely argue an interpretation that he wants to...the idea that Destiny thinks he can school Finkelstein on the FACTS of the conflict is laughable and reveals he's nothing but a sophist.

[@johnym1]

Exactly. It's funny that his fans on this thread are viewing him as a high intellectual or is knowledgeable on the matter, is laughable. the guy came from gaming to going on dating advice platforms to a political KZbinr. He is just drifting to whatever is currently a major topic.

[@eddieleon9608]

If you think you are right, give me specific examples where Destiny is wrong in arguing Finkle, and finkle is right. I don’t believe you’ve formed your own opinion if you can’t.

[@eddieleon9608]

@@johnym1Is this opinion formed by you? Show me an example

[@johnym1]

@@eddieleon9608 that's a weird question don't you think? Or is it that you can't search on KZbin and find out. Unless, you are a fake account.

[@johnym1]

@@eddieleon9608 I don't believe you are and actual account. How about that. Didn't we watch the same clip? I can't wait for your next comment.

[@shadowcoder887]

What episode of Jerry Springer is this?

[@LeMerch]

It’s a blooper

[@mrmanic4151]

"JEREMIAH! JEREMIAH! JEREMIAH!"

[@snuffcarl]

HAHAHA! Shame. Could have been great. I almost didn't make it through all 5 hours.

[@grippercrapper]

RIP Jerry Springer. We will never forget your trailer trash fights.

[@joshuagoldstein8116]

Destiny.......you are NOT the father!

[@MrNinopino]

Mr Borelli is using that pen 100% as a prop.

[@willps_art]

I don't think he can write and read properly

[@shariffseyzza4366]

this whole zionism thing is an act. everything was prepared and worked on. hahaha. it's a horror movie where all the cast were '' a real time serial killers'' directly or indirectly.

[@MrTote191]

and drinking water every 2 seconds, what a moron

[@FalkoJ89]

@@shariffseyzza4366 you have been fed propaganda through a nasogastric tube since you were born. How could you possibly think for yourself and realize zionism is morally sensible?! You do get it, right? All you're doing is expressing how intellectually limited you are...

[@blackdynamite_5470]

After 6:00 I saw what you meant He ain't writing shit.

[@Joesledge13]

Destiny shouldn’t even be in the room.

[@rajmathew6220]

"Mr Martinelli...talk fast so people think that you're coherent." 4:00

[@johnniiee146]

To be fair he called Mr. Bonnell quite measured and informed. However regards Mr. Borrelli an absolute monster.

[@PoliticsReal]

Nope. Steven is anything but informed.

[@Blibetyblabla]

Stevelli on the other hand is quite informed

[@lampad4549]

​@@PoliticsRealwhat did he get wrong?

[@PoliticsReal]

@@lampad4549 Everything

[@tugger]

literally everything, he's a lazy pundit who is wildly outclassed @@lampad4549

[@nono9543]

I tried posting this on Pornhub but they don't accept rape

[@kushclarkkent6669]

I don't laff at r*pe jokes, but this is the closest I've gotten! Props to u!

[@timeee2kill]

@@kushclarkkent6669no literally 😭

[@BlueMountainSports]

We are laughing about all the love in the room.

[@mastercharlesdiltardino8058]

They do if you blur the faced out. I've heard that it's really hard to get videos taken down from the hub.

[@Yondervan2]

Finklestein can’t handle a debate. He crumbled

[@psingh63]

More appropriate name is Density. Reminds me of a scene from Back to the Future (1985) where George McFly says, "My density has brought me to you". The two historians and Middle East analyst were good participants in an important debate and made reasonable cases for their sides; but what was the function of Density apart from raising Finkelstein's blood pressure.

[@mikerosoft1009]

Exactly. His name should be Density from now on. He's unable to have a conversation without losing it.

[@jonathonchabluk5070]

Norman Finkelstein isn’t a historian lmfao

[@heartfeltteaching]

@@jonathonchabluk5070 He is a highly respected scholar on the topic whose discipline is political science. That his specific discipline is not history matters not

[@JaimeG88]

"You made my argument better than me... you said that they couldn't have done it at the bottom if it weren't also at the top!" 8:08

[@Repent759]

When you put two historians, a journalist and a gamer, together, this is what you get. sickening

[@ganixdoesstupidstuff7599]

The gamer cooked 😂

[@j85grim4]

It's a sign of the decay of the U.S. that now a gamer that doesn't know anything about politics is considered a public intellectual.

[@willgia]

@@j85grim4 oh, I see. You’re saying he said something stupid and wrong and you’re about to point out what he was wrong about, right? I’m so excited!

[@j85grim4]

​​​@@willgiaYes in tha clip he said Isreal never purposely targets civilians even though they have a 90% civilian kill rate with their "targeted bombing". Even if that were true, the 15,000 children are still dead. Want another one?

[@nopenerp6862]

@@j85grim4 where do you get your figures from?

[@MrDemian0666]

Wonderful moment. Not sure why people still give Destiny any oxygen anymore.

[@phukuhu7310]

Because there are a lot of young and dumb people on the planet.

[@juneshasta]

How I wish Lex was at my family's Thanksgiving table, "Just a quick pause..."

[@blackdynamite_5470]

Why are they arguing about whether Islamic terrorism is a good thing or not?

[@mikerosoft1009]

​@@blackdynamite_5470because it's an endless debate. Guy 1 "You did this!" Guy 2 "Well you did this!" Guy 1 "Well you did this!" Guy 2 "No we didn't but you did this!"

[@ismailchennani4466]

@@blackdynamite_5470 why the other arguing if killing civilians is bad or not

[@lucasmoreno5330]

"What's your knowledge of the IDF beyond Wikipedia"

[@NugKnights]

Benny is the only person in that room qualified to answer that question. Not Finklstine.

[@snoopcelev1590]

I was in the idf. NF has zero sense what the army is like

[@Dunge0n]

​@@NugKnights Whatever sings ya to sleep.

[@NugKnights]

@@Dunge0n Hes the only one who was in the IDF and the only one who speaks Hebrew.

[@drinkingrobot2252]

​@@snoopcelev1590gay

[@felixlucanus7922]

Potentially interesting tactic by Morris at 3:00. He interrupts Finkelstein by saying that he is willing to concede the point and tells him he doesn't have to go any further. He feels uncomfortable with Finkelstein laying out all the facts on record because he knows they are not favorable to his position and so prefers that they not be advertised to the audience. Rabbani shrewdly picked up in this tactic and quickly said he does not know about this case and wants to hear more, even though he is most likely very familiar with it.

[@uhwaykin]

Lex should honestly be embarrassed for sitting Mr. Bordacelli at that table.

[@lucasbusselen9137]

Without "mr bordacelli" the debate would most likely not even happen

[@mikesheehan5946]

Too loud didn't read

[@henrysarson7417]

Destiny got destroyed

[@bordedup546]

@@henrysarson7417 norm wouldn't even let him read a quote from the un. very bad faith

[@dootnoot867]

@@bordedup546 thats based

[@OhSlugggy]

@@bordedup546it’s okay, destiny’s whole career is bad faith

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

​@@henrysarson7417 Is that what you think?

[@chocolatecosmos1424]

It was worth watching the entire "debate" just to have Professor Finklestein say what I have been dying to say to Dustinia for years.😂😂😂

[@Libbathegreat]

I think you mean Density.

[@chocolatecosmos1424]

@@Libbathegreat What makes you think that?

[@olisaer3486]

@@chocolatecosmos1424 its actually dustiny

[@olegnurmagomedov750]

Despicy

[@olegnurmagomedov750]

Dustbiny

[@stratocaster1986able]

Norm "I choose my words wisely" (Also Norm) " MR BORELLI"

[@fankaydarius5849]

That is not contradictory

[@AC-it8rm]

@@fankaydarius5849 He's either senile or a 70 year old "scholar" employing 3rd grade debate tactics by pretending to not know someone's name. Don't know which one is worse.

[@xxPenguinKnight7xx]

It's intentional disrespect. Nobody outside of reddit knows his name. It's the "who omegalul" before the internet.

[@mellgee]

@@xxPenguinKnight7xxI agree. I believe norms points was to demonstrate how forgettable and insignificant Mr. Bartolli is at the table.

[@beansdestroyer]

@@AC-it8rm he either has dementia or is just a bad faith hack

[@mukesh_bombay]

“I will even answer moron’s questions” underrated line

[@K55365]

7:07 let's see Destiny defend the recent killing of the foreign aid workers by Israeli drones.

[@ri3121]

He didn't. Unlike other figures he isnt married to one side in an ideological manner. He called the IDF out for this drone strike and condemned it. Even though he supports Israel as a whole, he is willing to call out the wrongs of his side, something pro-palestinians cannot do.

[@iTzsimplefx7]

@@ri3121 How can they though? I don't think you realise the passive aggressiveness coming from your statement.

[@crd9191]

“Go look this up on your machine!”

[@Cyri51]

that was hilarious

[@doublestarships646]

Old man doesn't like machines because it has facts.

[@jashanarora17]

@@doublestarships646Well, he remembered facts more than anyone in the debate. Books > machines

[@ringo1018]

​@@doublestarships646please take a shower immediately

[@commercialbreak9531]

@@jashanarora17 if by remembering facts you mean constantly misquoting books from the guy sitting right across the table from you until the moderator has to tell you to move on, then sure.

[@withinfinite5104]

Only Mr Borelli, a 35 year old man, could bring life back to Finklestein, who, with all given respect, lives his life at .25 speed

[@tonytooshort]

Remind me what this has to do with the topic at hand

[@MP-mx9nf]

Its such a bs Finkelstein is not talking slow at all. U guys need to get some serenity into your life and train ur attention span a bit

[@ScottsOnTheRottenCotton]

Slow ride, take it easy

[@withinfinite5104]

@@MP-mx9nf I wounldnt call it serenity, Finklestein starts screaming in some points over pretty basic points

[@MP-mx9nf]

​@@withinfinite5104haha. Serenity was not related to Finkelstein's performance.

[@revanfein]

I can't think of a better way to describe Mr. Borelli...

[@adolfwigga]

Intellectual can't own a gamer so he has to resort to insults 😂 that's when you know youve lost, when youve become that emotional

[@revanfein]

@@adolfwiggasometimes you win the argument and point out the idiocy of your opponent.

[@adolfwigga]

@@revanfein winners don't get emotional and butthurt. He's an old man and came off incredibly immature. Not a good look if you want to look reasonable. Which clearly a person using insults isn't and clearly isn't winning anything. Children act this way when they don't get what they want.

[@revanfein]

Agree to disagree my friend. I enjoyed every bit of smashing that Finklestein laid on this clown who thinks he is an intellectual. Some people are not even aware of their idiocy, it is a service to them to point it out.

[@sampson4886]

​@adolfwigga hahaha coping hard bro. It's an insult to finkelsteins existence he has to debate a grifter that doesn't clearly know what he's talking about

[@rogerpicatus]

Next time someone starts running their frantic mouth that's precisely what I'm going to say: "Mister Borrelli, you're such a fantastic moron it's terrifying."

[@kungfubuju8388]

Can we please call him mr. Borelli?? 😂😂

[@Dan0TheMano]

Nah, he deserves to be named after a stripper in Ft. Lauderdale.

[@rootin222]

I think it’s a courtesy from where he comes from that when you talk to somebody that you’re not mutual that the respectful thing is to address them by their last name

[@screamstation]

let's have a vote between Morelli and Borelli.

[@jacobwalsh7209]

@@rootin222 His last name isn't Borelli lol, he was intentionally getting it wrong even though he does actually know it.

[@rootin222]

@@jacobwalsh7209 maybe it’s his New York accent

[@quinto34]

Telling Finkelstein 'let me educate you'..😂

[@coenhealy-johnson5194]

And he did. Finkelstein was completely uneducated when it came to the processes of ordering/undergoing strikes.

[@snoopcelev1590]

​@@coenhealy-johnson5194 Exactly.

[@Jockito]

Norm getting some of his own condescending medicine

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

Norm is a kook

[@_Addi_]

Finklestein literally tried to 'educate' Benny on his own book lmao. Cope and seethe.

[@67y3j3fv2wg]

Norm absolutely hates the fact that a chipmunk like Destiny is in this debate

[@gtlogic6023]

Especially when he calls out Norm on all his bullshit. Think norm needs to up his book reading comprehension.

[@67y3j3fv2wg]

@@gtlogic6023 So you also agree that Destiny is a chipmunk. Good.

[@gtlogic6023]

@@67y3j3fv2wg don’t care what destiny is. Be more mindful of frauds like Norm that rely on sleazy appeals to authority to make their points.

[@67y3j3fv2wg]

@@gtlogic6023 Norm is a political scientist and a researcher of the Holocaust and the Israeli Palestinian conflict. He is also an author and a university lecturer. In other words, he has spent decades studying and researching these two topics and also lecturing at universities on the subjects. I'm not sure which part of that you think is sleazy though. What are Destiny's credentials on the subjects? I don't know if you have spent some time learning and researching something and knowing it really well and then having some guy challenging you on your craft based on stuff he read about it on Wikipedia. Also, and most importantly, Norm is an activist for the rights of Palestinian people. He probably has been that for as long as Destiny has been alive. Destiny is a very arrogant and ignorant chipmunk and I don't blame Norm for losing his 💩.

[@67y3j3fv2wg]

@@gtlogic6023 Norm is a researcher, scholar and activist. His fields of study are the Holocaust and the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Destiny was no match for him here, no wonder he got annoyed by his presence.

[@MoonBurn13]

With the exception of Rubani, both sides fired cheap shots: but Team Amphetamine had automatics.

[@eddieleon9608]

Rubanis comment about Destiny being racist etc for not technically calling the Jim Crow era apartheid is pretty ridiculous.

[@BENDANZHU]

When a level 1 newbie meets a level 100 raid boss..

[@MagneVikjord]

Don’t you think Norm is getting completely outclassed in this clip? He’s messing up so hard on the military targeting piece

[@djwestbrook36]

@@MagneVikjord lol your seeing something completely different 😂😂😂

[@codyvandal2860]

@@MagneVikjord Except IDF commanders are literally on the record discussing the deliberate targeting of civilians as military policy. How you don't know this basic fact I have no idea

[@Jockito]

​@@codyvandal2860If that's true, why didn't Norm mention that in this debate if he's such an expert?

[@codyvandal2860]

@@Jockito "If" it's true? It is true.

[@Letsplay222]

So it is impossible for the IDF to target children because they are 'organized'? What does that even mean? I wish they wouldn't stop interrupting Finkelstein with non-sequiturs, but on the other hand I wish Finkelstein wasn't so easily wound up.

[@Libbathegreat]

That's what happens when you actually care about and spend your entire life delving into a subject only to show up and have to deal with a shill who cares about nothing and who thinks tired and easily debunked talking points are "gotchas".

[@Jockito]

No the point was that it would imply a top down policy to target civilians if there were drones, etc. used because they would have to be signed off and agreed upon by more than just the guy flying the drone. What this means is that Norm is implying there is a policy to target civilians.

[@based4573]

@@Jockito as we know, the US has never killed children through drone / airstrikes OR targeted civilians. Anyone who actually thinks that there's a team of lawyers sitting there, analyzing the drone footage in real-time to wage whether a AGM should be fired is "regarded", it's just a deflection tactic to emphasize how "careful & moral" they are. If the laywers even go over the drone strike, which I doubt, they'll just look at how many civilians are in an area, and wage whether you should drop leaflets etc. or just do the strike without notice. By your logic, My Lai massacre should not have happened, yet it did & people commit war crimes IN PERSON and listened to their commander.

[@mothmoth4366]

this is a very dumb strawman. None of that is remotley addressing what Jockito said. OF COURSE it's still possible for war crimes to happen despite procedures to stop them. That fact doesn't mean you can just pretend those procedures don't exist in order to paint a war in the most cartoonishly simple terms. @@based4573

[@hammurabii.3173]

@@based4573 All you have said doesn't disprove the lack of a policy to target civilians wich was the initial claim. How hard is it to just follow what was said? Making the argument that targeting civilians is endemic in the IDF is completely different than arguing that there is a military policy to target civilians.

[@ivosalvador3374]

Norman is all of us in that moment

[@all-caps3927]

The fact that Mr Pirelli even has a seat at that bloody table is the joke of all jokes.

[@Gamedino]

What episode of Curb is this from?

[@UnfinishedBob]

The one where Susie Greene says: nobody appreciates my complexity. And Larry says: How complex can you be? You're a Jew from the Bronx.

[@SteinBergsson]

@@UnfinishedBob Perfect... :D

[@TheAbsoluteSir]

The real question is why wasn't Lex moderating more?

[@LimpyDog]

In the full version Lex have a disclaimer in the beginning where he states he won’t moderate

[@snuffcarl]

I heard that disclaimer, the question is why he made that choice ?

[@HelloOki]

why would you want the arguing to stop thats what were all here for idiot

[@parasocialbondsmetaswvoits9078]

он был в ахуе

[@stratisclouds]

@@snuffcarlbecause this is raw

[@sunwukong6917]

Norm was right in everything

[@melsonperos9566]

when your calling ad hominem u already lost

[@tylermadison2073]

Benny Morris was living his best life

[@davesprivatelounge]

bro was just there for the destiny roast

[@TidyDisarray]

@@davesprivateloungefr he even laughed at him when he wast being roasted by the opposition 🤣

[@hhjhj393]

​@@TidyDisarrayI mean I think he was laughing at how ridiculous Finklestein was. If you watch the whole thing he is out of control here and lex has to talk to him multiple times.

[@maquacr7014]

​@@hhjhj393 Nice hasbara.

[@maquacr7014]

@@TapetBart Hasbara is everywhere. Germans tried to warn everyone about this.

[@NeverTrust298]

"It's true I don't spend my nights on Wikipedia" LOOOOL

[@jamesshepherd9390]

Maybe he should have, then he might have been able to refute a single argument in that entire 5 hour video.

[@ElKoubi1975]

@@jamesshepherd9390 I guess you didn't watch the debate

[@jamesshepherd9390]

@@ElKoubi1975 I know for a fact you didn't watch the debate. The only other choice would be that you are mentally ill, and I'm not that uncharitable.

[@guyjackson1261]

@@ElKoubi1975 I guess you didn't watch it, a "scholar" having temper tantrums and resorting to insults because his narratives where picked apart by "someone that only reads wikipedia"

[@ElKoubi1975]

@@guyjackson1261 if that makes you feel better..... I am happy for you :) Jusdging by the ciments in the comments section, you must feel lonely (you will now argue that it is not the case, and that you are the majority lol

[@NavjotAhuja92]

"You want me to answer or you want your motor mouth to go" 😂😂😂 I am using that one someday. ROFL

[@serclfs]

What do you think his paper looks like after the debate.

[@70othl3ss4]

Can we all just respect the fact that finklestein is such a gentleman, to talk as slow as humanly possible to make sure Lex gets all that sweet ad revenue.

[@UnfinishedBob]

I for one can't wait to taste FIJI water.

[@teedeed5390]

He’s not to be truffled with in this matter he’s educated and dedicated on Palestinian Isreali occupation facts and figures that’s are verified not just usual lies

[@Idcwhatyouthink1234]

I support McDonald’s

[@MrMAXZ888]

Norm "Raging against them machines" Finkelstein.

[@dannyarcher6370]

This needs more likes. Have one.

[@zachdave2994]

Norm “rape and experimentation on millions makes no difference to me” Finklestein. He’s likened Israel to the Reich.

[@ivywild628]

There is 4hrs of this!!! WATCH IN FULL its great ❤

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

"Mr. Bortellini, let me just ask you this? Did you or did you not vote for Benito Mussolini?" "That happened to 64 years before I was born," "Don't try to change the subject Mr. Boteccelli."

[@emissary_kyle]

The only way my month would be completed would be if Destiny had a sparring session w/ Sean Strickland.

[@eugger3011]

You know you're seething when you wish physical harm on someone instead of actually refuting any of their points.

[@balzinderchhabra8804]

This is the intellectual version of that. 🤣

[@chrishernandez8504]

@@balzinderchhabra8804 in what way? Was it when flinkle didn't know about -dolus speciales- that is essential to prove genocide and is cited multiple times in the ICJ report he claims to have read and to save himself he used Mens rea ? That's your intellectual Titan? When a person can out pace your knowledge of a subject in 5 months your no Titan of anything 😂😂

[@jebalitabb8228]

@@eugger3011look at the pfp are you surprised he resorted to violence so fast

[@BIMYOUJR]

@@jebalitabb8228 classic destiny fan, resorting to racism

[@akwall47]

This is unlistenable

[@digjayd]

Most Israel Palestine debates are unlistenable

[@Dziaji]

Agreed. All 3 insufferable.

[@zachdave2994]

Norm never stops talking

[@kushclarkkent6669]

Perfectly listenable to me. Maybe get your ears checked.

[@porquee]

NORM NORM NORM NORM

[@Hurus1]

To the "guest bio": Finkelstein is not a historian. He is a political scientist... But who cares about basic facts!?

[@aminezouagui238]

So if the IDF is so well organised how are they still making so many mistakes and killings kids, women, and babies ? Either they're so uncompetent despite having all that process of chain of commande Or they're doing it on perpus and are targetting civilians Both scenarios are chatastrophique and unacceptable and must be stoped

[@JohnLast300]

Everytime Destiny speaks Norm is enraged lmao

[@outvoid6847]

shows you how scared he was of letting him speak

[@invadercem2]

@@outvoid6847🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 okay

[@masonterhorst]

@@invadercem2 🤡

[@lzsmashv2208]

@@outvoid6847your coping so much 😂

[@outvoid6847]

@@lzsmashv2208 if his arguments are so stupid you'd expect a 40 year scholar on the subject to debunk them like its nothing. Instead he acted like a scared child

[@runntlan7177]

This dialog proves that there will never be peace

[@zootsoot2006]

One side driven by logic and attempts to reach a rational solution, the other driven by emotion and literal ad-hominem attacks. Yep, this debate sums up the entire issue.

[@runntlan7177]

@@zootsoot2006 theres no logic when they are both motivated by religious ideologies

[@xzxzz7543]

Are you sure it both sides ....cuz to me one side tries to displace people using 2000 year old excuse while the other side tries to fight back .@@runntlan7177

[@lollmao249]

​@@runntlan7177nope. One side is motivated by imperialism and another side is motivated by rationality.

[@Wise__guy]

@@runntlan7177have you listened to any of this? The issue is about Land before religion

[@itsacorporatething]

Destiny: aha! you said the march of return was mostly peaceful, but this UN report I just Googled said the march was mostly people but has elements of violence.

[@halkon4412]

So many people calling Norm a “scholar” on the subject, yet his degree is in political science. He has no actual academic qualifications to grandstand over. The most you can say is that he’s spent a shit ton of time writing books and giving talks, which just means he’s highly ideologically dug-in to his particular viewpoint.

[@freshyp460]

Mr borelli aka motormouth

[@lathangravelle7693]

They need a moderator to stop the interruptions

[@cmonman3639]

Lex is too full of love lmfao

[@billusher2265]

Destiny arguing strikes go through a long chain of command is pretty embarrassing now given the IDF hit WCK workers

[@lucasbusselen9137]

Does that then mean that they can't make any mistakes?

[@billusher2265]

@@lucasbusselen9137we now for a article released where idf troops admit they weren’t told it’s ok to hit 20 civilians if they think a combatant is there, and 100 civilians if they think a commander is there

[@lucasbusselen9137]

@@billusher2265 and that proves what?

[@ace6664]

"an entire apparatus is designed to approve a strike" like the iraq war until julian d'assange leaked the strikes right?

[@plumbus813]

Different country, different military

[@ambot186]

Is julian d'assange in the room with us right now?

[@thelastsigmamale]

@@plumbus813every military usually does this shit, don’t be naive

[@fafolaw]

Until someone proves otherwise leaking info or something like that, no

[@YotamAlbalach]

@@fafolaw Someone people believe "guilty, until proven innocent" when it comes to anything pro-Western. It's definitely not a clear sign of Marxism, don't worry about it. Forget I've said anything.

[@HelloOki]

He said "hilarious" sarcastically / satirically how did you not pick up on that

[@70othl3ss4]

He was acting like destiny actually found it hillarious tho

[@MachoMaster]

​@@70othl3ss4 That was in response to Destiny smiling, laughing and showing that he is not taking the Finkelstein-described crimes seriously.

[@cydra_infinity1423]

Lex is always on Israel’s side

[@mojojojo560]

That’s easy, Lex is a mouthpiece.

[@mohammadalirashed3103]

@@MachoMaster He wasn't laughing at the nature of the crimes, but the manner in which Finklestein was describing them. Obviously nobody thinks innocent people dying is funny.