Mark Zuckerberg: Future of AI at Meta, Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp | Lex Fridman Podcast

Mark Zuckerberg is CEO of Meta.
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
0:28 - Jiu-jitsu competition
17:51 - AI and open source movement
30:22 - Next AI model release
42:37 - Future of AI at Meta
1:03:15 - Bots
1:18:42 - Censorship
1:33:23 - Meta's new social network
1:40:10 - Elon Musk
1:44:15 - Layoffs and firing
1:51:45 - Hiring
1:57:37 - Meta Quest 3
2:04:34 - Apple Vision Pro
2:10:50 - AI existential risk
2:17:13 - Power
2:20:44 - AGI timeline
2:28:07 - Murph challenge
2:33:22 - Embodied AGI
2:36:29 - Faith
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction: 0:28 - Jiu-jitsu competition 17:51 - AI and open source movement 30:22 - Next AI model release 42:37 - Future of AI at Meta 1:03:15 - Bots 1:18:42 - Censorship 1:33:23 - Meta's new social network 1:40:10 - Elon Musk 1:44:15 - Layoffs and firing 1:51:45 - Hiring 1:57:37 - Meta Quest 3 2:04:34 - Apple Vision Pro 2:10:50 - AI existential risk 2:17:13 - Power 2:20:44 - AGI timeline 2:28:07 - Murph challenge 2:33:22 - Embodied AGI 2:36:29 - Faith Please support our sponsors: - Numerai: numer.ai/lex - Shopify: shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - BetterHelp: betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off

[@tortoiseshell_cat]

Yay

[@Privacityuser]

zuerberg in jail now 🤬😈

[@nightstalker9792]

Lmaooo

[@hayliebear2626]

Are you still doing coffee with Lex

[@volknasty5880]

To bad you didn't ask him about promoting child porn on Instagram.

[@schruteman7444]

It’s nice to see two AGIs speaking to each other

[@npc2172]

Here we go again with this dad joke

[@danypell2517]

loool

[@juanvelazquez6052]

😂

[@ALI95R]

We'll look back at this in the future and realise this is true 😂

[@nightstalker9792]

AGI & an alien/reptilian

[@hubermanlab]

Mark’s self-assuredness really comes through in this discussion. Great discussion! Thank you both for holding and recording it.

[@spivak4342]

Huberman ❤ you

[@lejamesbron4055]

Zero self awareness though.

[@mrfake675]

Self awareness > self assurdness....allthough if he was self aware he'd give himself nightmares for the drugs he peddles as technology

[@getzkillz66]

​@@mrfake675 the tech is there. you can have it use you... or you can use it. I personally leverage the fuck out of it, rather than consume it like a so called drug

[@hexbulla9164]

But what about all the real stuff?

[@samotivationbysami]

2002 : Mark gets accepted into Harvard 2022 : Harvard accepts Mark's terms and conditions

[@sylvanaquino8185]

“open sourcing the Lex”… probabilities and possibilities

[@danie7kovacs]

His latest firmware update really did a great job making him act more like a human.

[@luminouswolf7117]

Hope my next update has that

[@k.butler8740]

Yeah he's done good

[@americanpancakelive]

Ha. I think he always has had a dynamic personality and is super smart and moral. I think our image of Zuck has been when the Congress were trying to skewer and BBQ him. I think he was very very guarded. Smartly, talking to congress is like talking to a cop that stops you. The least you say, the better, the more kind of dumb you play it, the better.

[@WilliamParkerer]

Repetition penalty still needs to be larger though. I'm hearing "one of the" all through the video.

[@ramdas363]

He's so full of shit. Not a single thing he says is an authentic reply, it's all calculated to be as little offensive to as large a group of people as possible. He talks like a bad lawyer trying to keep his client Facebook out of jail. Wouldn't be surprised if even the religious thing is a lie he discovered after understanding the majority of the world (=many of his users) are still religious.

[@SanctuaryLife]

These Ai generated videos are becoming absurdly good.

[@davidthewise6617]

Wrong Zuckerberg is robot 🤖

[@maxb4057]

lol

[@YeahWellShutUp]

The model being used here ALMOST pulled it off, but what gives it away is that it got the color of Lex's iconic black suit wrong.

[@Chris-we7hh]

its not just software, AI also has a robot body now it seems

[@1247111]

fucking cring/lame/outdated joke, wen ppl stop doing it, like, zzzz

[@LittleCaveThru]

I was just lex’s waiter at the Cheesecake Factory and he was extremely polite and humble.

[@jimhim585]

I just saw Lex at a glory hole and he was extremely polite and humble

[@dj1984x]

How much tip did he leave?

[@LittleCaveThru]

@@dj1984x 42%!

[@EXITLlFE]

​​@@84jamesp that's perfectly fine. Just cuz someone is rich or celebrity doesn't mean they gotta give us some absurd tip. I waited on Warren Buffett like 2 times a month cuz we live in same town within a mile of eachother. Normal dude but he's worth hundreds of billions and even he gives normal tips

[@MadCowMusic]

Legend says he's got at least a dozen AI clones of himself smuggled out of Boston dynamics..

[@chadwickvanbard2068]

Is the improvement in Mark’s interpersonal skills a life change or a testament to AI growth? Truly meta conversation.....

[@drstalone]

I believe from what he said on Joe Rogan he has probably realized it's important to not get sucked into tech, which is manifested in his interest in bjj and other physical activities and that has lead to a change in persona which stems from a core change rather than something superficial.

[@jainin7682]

I feel inclined to credit a fair portion of those emurgent properties to Lex's influence.. as well as the fact that they wrestled before this

[@drstalone]

@@jainin7682 he wasn't bad In the Joe Rogan podcast either.

[@DarylShaw-rr3ki]

Mark managed to say nothing for 3 hours! He only intimated they were working on "things to help businesses." Of course they are. Their stream of advertising revenue is about to be turned upside down by AGI. These two should get married since they enjoy stroking each other. We know they enjoy wrestling with each other. (Not that there's anything wrong with that - I would enjoy wrestling with Lex as well.) As far as his more developed interpersonal skills go, there were too many um, uh, and like, spoken for me to take him seriously as a CEO of one of the largest technology companies on the planet. He still sounds like a college kid who can't articulate what his company is doing.

[@nokateno]

He gets heavy-duty coaching

[@Shakemouthdirector]

Zuckerberg is so confident, and he seems to have highly nuanced perspectives on things. I wish Lex had asked him "What might really shake you and make you doubt whether what you're doing is good?"

[@jf4908]

Although I agree, that is a question that needs to be asked I also think that in some way Lex doesnt have to ask... its all there for us to see. Lex is brilliant imo... its Lex´s non confrontatonal ways that even makes Zuckerberg talk. I share Zuckerbergs condition but we have nothing at all in common except for being socially "wierd". I dont know if this is becouse of cultural difference or the fact that Zuckerberg have trained his social skills a long time but from my perspective if he feels fear about anything he doesnt feel enough of it. That power attention and responsibility would terrify me and being confronted about it would stress me to the point of PTSD. I hope that helped in some way.

[@SuperJeyjay]

I belive to remember that in theire last conv they talked about questions like that....

[@MeneerHerculePoirot]

That ain't gonna happen. Fridman is engaging in the fine art of access journalism. Do we honestly think if Lex gave Mark the spanking he richly deserves he'd ever come back? Of course he wouldn't.

[@Shakemouthdirector]

@@MeneerHerculePoirot I'm not suggesting Fridman should give Zuckerberg a "spanking". I'm wishing out loud that Fridman had probed to find out what are Zuckerberg's doubts, because they'd be interesting to hear about and, as listeners, it would flesh out our understanding of this man who is such a big force in technology right now.

[@Klobberkrew]

Robots don’t have feelings

[@johncreel6135]

I would like love to see lex and Mark have an exhibition fight one day.. I'm just not sure if it would be broadcast on MMA or battle bots

[@Squirrel-zq6oe]

😂

[@stewartaragon2324]

w/ Rogan announcing..

[@jw2862]

Who’s your money on?

[@ourreaper7063]

​@J W mark vs a black belt lol

[@CockatooDude]

Definitely battle bots lmao.

[@david3886]

Zuck really owns the robot overlord persona. Props to his programmer

[@TheDennys21]

Hahahahaha

[@lindsaykendall88]

You sound unintelligent and immature.

[@theephemeralescape]

Could not have worded this more brilliantly

[@expat2010]

😂😂😂

[@rtsstream]

jesus these "mark is a robot" jokes are so original..totally unique comment that nobody has ever made

[@free2beemee]

Seeing Mark in an interview is unusual but good to see and likely helpful for his public image. Glad to see Lex asking some (kind of) tough questions.

[@thesmilegame]

hello free2bee

[@stevend481]

Hes been on before

[@jeroen7716]

what tough question he asked? what public image?

[@free2beemee]

@@jeroen7716 Precisely why I said “kind of.” Like the issues with the algorithm facilitating ped@s, that’s all over News or at least KZbin videos and an actual interview on KZbin with someone other than just what he had to do for business. It’s more than I’ve ever seen but I also don’t care to look.

[@free2beemee]

@@stevend481 Didn’t know but thanks for sharing.

[@yosefzaghi9504]

Its crazy how far artificial intelligence has gotten that it can have two robots speak to each other and have a conversation

[@NewYork81983]

His point about hiring people you'd actually want to work for is so spot on

[@drivethrupoet]

Yet he's never really had a boss himself 😅 That's not personal insight it's something that a lot of people have said for years.

[@overshot8331]

I think it makes even more sense from his perspective given he is quite young for a CEO and the people he directly interviews for top level management are probably people with many more years of experience than him.

[@ArielZwolinski]

@@overshot8331 you made me think how we value „years” He’s run one of the biggest and most successful organizations in the world. He’s one of the most experienced people to run it, even if there are people with 40 years of CEO experience, how relevant to running Meta can that be?

[@MadCowMusic]

@@ArielZwolinski He's evil and he's an idiot! And you're just as low for not seeing it.

[@WackyConundrum]

_So deep_

[@LousterPlays]

We've come so far, 2 AIs having this kind of dialogue for almost 3 hours is amazing!

[@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667]

Truly a moment of our generation.

[@bergssprangare]

Wait until he runs out of Batteries..Not Lex ..The refused model..

[@mapleleafkay9824]

This is the second time he’s been on lol

[@spyral00]

LLMs have really gone a long way. That's a lot of tokens in 3 hours!

[@mjbranch2109]

zucc seems more artificial

[@soleknight3212]

Lex is a genius. Some people think he is giving Mark a smooth ride here, but he does not let up and pushes in a very skillful way. Still not sure about Mark on all aspects, but I'm glad he seemed to show some honesty around the pressure he feels from all corners, including the powers that be, regarding free speech - it is indeed a complex one. Truth always rises to the top in the end anyway. God bless

[@MrDaggial]

As I listen to this conversation I can't but think that there is nothing more depressing than a world where you talk to someone else though an AI that is literally replacing you, or the counterpart, or both. That's literally the opposite of human interaction and the fact that these two and probably many others really believe it's a good thing scares me.

[@soulpowerful]

Same

[@jamespadilla7070]

Yes. But it would be great for talking to people with different languages. So through the ai. Also who's actually gonna talk to ai? Just go outside

[@schmecklin377]

Are you talking about the language translation?

[@SkylerBaird]

The wild part is it's likely that you start becoming your Ai. "I wouldn't have replied that way, but I like it. I'll start talking like that!"

[@U_evolve]

Lex, I don't know if you know it , but you're having a massively positive impact , not only to people like me with hardly any money , but also the likes of Mark . It's interesting to see how the future pans out because of you and your GOOD ethos on life.

[@ShaunVillafana]

Amen!

[@rusi6219]

He's a Jew his existence is a net negative

[@TheEddyFireBall]

I love when he says “I train in my garage with a few friends”, and in my head I’m picturing a regular banged up garage with a couple mats on the floor 🤔🤔

[@dianedean4170]

Excellent experience listening to you, Lex, and Mark🎉🎉😊😊 Astounding and amazing technology conversation regarding the facets of the roles of user, designer, and manager. Thanks so very much ❤

[@dosomething6975]

It's kinda funny that Mark mentioned people have less friends then ever before. While also stating his goal is to bring people together. Not mentioning that social media did this to us 🤔

[@GeneralTrusty]

I don't think social media did this to anyone. If people aren't willing to take responsibility for what they allow in their lives, then there will always be someone/something to exploit that. It is just a symptom of people not managing their technology, and so it manages them.

[@snakewad123]

I personally find having friends too time consuming on top of work girlfriend and life. As a British male , all having friends has ever meant for my life is going out drinking and I have a long criminal record from those days so I gave it up. Life is better on my own . I still see people at work and have gf

[@MarcelSamyn]

I still don't understand why Facebook doesn't build a "hey maybe you guys wanna meet up in real life and talk about this" feature

[@chromamidikeys]

really? you dont see the issues that could arise from that o.o

[@totallyfuny]

@@GeneralTrusty new generation of people have been bred with dopamine boosting factors,no1 is going out ofc

[@truthseeker1934]

LlaMA model has been a huge help for many open-source LLM models. It's ironic that Meta did this instead of 'Open'AI.

[@IntergalacticFool]

Wasn’t it an unofficial leak?

[@imapimplykindapimp]

@@IntergalacticFool that’s what I thought, it does seem to benefit Meta in the end though so I don’t know

[@SirQuantization]

Yeah but they did it by accident lol. They don't get credit for accidentally leaking their own LLM!

[@driss409]

@@SirQuantization That was no accident. They are far from being dumb, you don't just share a torrent magnet link with the whole trained model in a public GitHub repo. I really can't believe they could be that stupid.

[@goedel.]

@@SirQuantization is it an "accident" if they gave the model to a bunch of random people that signed up on a waiting list on their website?

[@katjazibrek3083]

Another great discussion between Mark and Lex. It seems Lex is building a network to support his startup idea. And the wonderful synchronicity with the curtain at the end gives its blessing to this friendship... Guess I'll have a robot and live in Metaverse so I can talk to an open source verison of Lex.

[@kinngrimm]

friendship? from two times they talked together? Maybe. I think Friedman is a patient listener with a very broad intellectual bases and can therefor make people feel that they are understood when he queries for deeper meanings on many topics and therefor they are at ease with him. Basicly a good interviewer.

[@martinladley]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqXJl2l9jc5ge80

[@biggiestud9451]

Lol

[@biggiestud9451]

Let me buy you a drink in meta verse baby

[@OntologyofValue]

I didn't think that I would enjoy an interview with Zuck as much as I did. So well done!

[@user-mn7bb9nj5y]

Enjoy, Very subtle.

[@moroniccolonic3959]

Ditto

[@dhungryarchitect]

media is hyping up the coming of aliens

[@bernios3446]

You've got to hand it to Lex: He manages to talk to some of the most influential persons of our time. That is an achievement. Thanks to Lex for making it possible to listen to those people.

[@manitou__]

Zuck shits the same shit. Stop pedestalizing him

[@private_0]

I love that Mark does not shy away from talking about competitor's strengths and good decisions. Shows a kind of humility much needed!

[@EvildeadIII]

It's fake

[@bobobo1673]

"humility" Mark? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@totallyfuny]

humility💀☕

[@cuttycreek]

He was patched to express humility

[@Tamirallamiro]

its just technical discussion

[@ChairmanMeow1]

Lex didnt ask the one question I wanted. Zuck is always so sure about himself and everything he does. I wanted the question "what keeps you up at night?' or 'is there any action you've taken that you're unsure of'? I'd love to hear him answer that.

[@Susanrogers-pt9mf6hx1w]

Do you think you would get an unguarded honest answer? My sense is Mark is very careful what he says - it was clear he did not enjoy his session on Capitol Hill - understandably

[@aytaf5430]

I think he asked him that in the first talk they had about a year ago.

[@ScottCoppa-rp3ts]

​@@Susanrogers-pt9mf6hx1w the amount of time he paused and said senator was nauseating. Stalling to buy time is what liars do

[@tormclean9657]

​@@ScottCoppa-rp3tsyou have to understand that he runs a company, and if he said the wrong thing in the wrong way, there could be huge repercussions to the company's value. I don't think he lies, but rather is just careful to paint his words favourably. Of course, the same discretion is still required from a listener.

[@cw3le]

@@tormclean9657 you know, I understand what you say and, if we combine that with what Mark said about difficulties doing the business of Facebook in the world, having to meet with various regulations and how that all is causing lots of problems, also the fact that he even said that you shouldn't do business to make people feel happy (the very same people who are his customer base and main source of revenue), I'm wondering one thing: why keep pursuing something that nobody asked you to, especially if you are having so many obstacles, most of which are simply unsolvable due to the great differences between nations and cultures? Either scale down your business, so that you don't break so many rules or simply stop doing the business altogether. He is a kind of person who simply won't admit that he is wrong about something, which makes him arrogant.

[@super7ace]

I have just watched 'The Social Network'. Every time I watch that movie, it boosts my confidence level to 100x in programming, and always motivates me to learn new things about computers & technologies like AI/ML.

[@software-sage]

Same 😂

[@weehooherod]

Can't wait for the Lex interviewing the Lex Language Model episode.

[@ZestyZSauce]

The best part of this interview is the last 7min. To see him talk about his family and light up makes him seem more human and down to earth then I've EVER seen him be.

[@counterr6750]

The design is very human

[@jh7589]

@@counterr6750 you dont think he is a human? genuinely?

[@henniannariina5877]

I also enjoyed seeing Zuckerberg like this! But it's a little funny to me how lex has all the powerful man vibes out of these two. 😂

[@carlsjr7975]

This is a very curated comments section. Lex is such tool. Like all emacs users.

[@Mopark25]

​​@@carlsjr7975 What the hell are you talking about? You think Lex is personally monitoring and deleting comments to make Zuckerberg seem likeable?

[@jimmylandress2284]

You make Mark Z seem like a cool normal dude 😂 ❤

[@JobePower]

💯

[@sequoiahall1695]

Great interview. Lex asked good questions and Mark explored the questions (with his wise CEO hat and liability hat on most of the time). Love the exploration of where we as a culture are going. Thanks for doing this interview and extra call out to having windows in the background showing nature. I think giving often viewed videos a little dose of Vitamin N(ature) is good practice for the audience. We prioritize this with our 3M monthly views. Look forward to more episodes with nature showcase.

[@Allplussomeminus]

Hearing Mark say learning ju-jitsu was "fun" brough me a genuine smile. I also notice his body language and speech was more flowing and natural when talking about it.

[@rhino202]

Great way for lex to start the convo

[@JS-jr1fo]

Yes marks programming is improving… he is almost passing the turing test

[@jenny2814.]

@@JS-jr1fobro wrote this thinking it was funny delete this comment and log out

[@wheely]

​@@jenny2814. no u

[@BGIANAKy]

@@jenny2814. for real. Over used jokes.

[@DorinVancea]

Did Mark got 10x wiser in the meantime? Loved this episode. Well done Lex.

[@BlackMessiah122]

It's called machine learning.

[@superresistant8041]

Yes he surprised me.

[@Abqariyyah100]

It’s called lying.

[@SiriusSRX]

AI is quickly gaining new knowledge these days

[@johnbroadfoot5148]

Jiu Jitsu will do that to you

[@lk7211]

When is the interview with Andrew Tate coming? I would be very interested in a genuine discussion with this man. You would be the right guy for such an interview.

[@Redsauce101]

It's nice that Lex shows us what he's been working on in the field of AI.

[@XeL__]

aside from the real projects that check the ai wildness hehe joke

[@jeevan88888]

Ya, That's a myth alright

[@The_Comedy_Hub]

😂😂 makes sense if you consider the firmware includes Ju Jitsu

[@-KillaWatt-]

The first rule of Meta Fight Club is don't talk about Meta Fight Club.

[@VISION2222podcast]

This is a great discussion and makes for interesting futuristic conversation about AI. Our Vision 2222 podcast just started and would love for you Lex to have to get some insights from it.

[@danthegamerkhan]

Damn good to see this guy have a longform talk and ive watched a couple of your videos and loving the AI hype it gives me

[@LeifCoffield]

It’s amazing to see Zuckerberg’s smile function activating in an almost normal human capacity. Same with whatever behavioural function he has running on this current OS!

[@ivanlecic8965]

Ah, yes, it's always a rare treat to witness the Zuckerberg smile.exe working at optimal levels! Rumor has it that his behavioral function on this OS is a highly advanced algorithm called 'Social Normalizer 3000,' specially designed to mimic human interaction. Just make sure not to activate the 'Data Collection Mode' or we'll all be stuck in an endless loop of targeted ads!

[@XeL__]

never underestimate alien

[@user-fx5sw1cn7j]

alien, robot, lizardman, or all three?

[@recnepsyarg]

😂

[@redeye780]

Relax man and don’t be rude. He’s definitely very human and seems like a genuine dude

[@michaelgrayrn4579]

Wonderful that these influential leaders make themselves available for these discussions. What a service you're providing! Amazing!

[@jackiekovach4999]

@@user-op5tx4tx8f 🤣🤣🤣

[@biralome]

​@@user-op5tx4tx8f😂😂😂

[@robclint]

Plz have Bernado Kastrup on to talk about his time at CERN, Metaphysical Idealism, and why AI will never be conscious, he is a Gem of a Human as well🙏

[@kenmogibrainworld4844]

From jujitsu to metaverse, religion, and managing a company, great opportunity to get in touch with insights from two great minds, rather like in a jujitsu match.

[@TechSource]

Love these types of podcasts, keep it up Lex! 🔥

[@apk4381]

Maybe if big Mark spent less time meddling in elections, "fact checking" and censoring his customers and more time actually making his platforms and products interesting, the comonay wouldn't be in a death spiral. As a wise man once said, everything woke turns to shit :)

[@dr.dragan19]

tech accounts 🤝 fire emoji

[@ohNickzta]

You love a fake guest rambling about nothing? Nice

[@jh7589]

@@ohNickzta i don't understand, what do you mean he is a fake guest?

[@totallyfuny]

@@jh7589 sir are you underage?

[@rpbmpn]

When its midnight UK time and another 3 hour Lex episode appears on the timeline. Oh well here we go...

[@Skitdora2010]

Don't fall asleep while watching a long talk. They influence your dreams and you might not want where they take you.

[@thisisajaym]

We will be checking upon you every 15 minutes to see you are awake.

[@Squirrel-zq6oe]

​@@Skitdora2010 I always prefer to fall asleep to a long talk

[@dizzy3535]

​@@Skitdora2010I've always thought about this possibility

[@damilkk]

@@Skitdora2010 I fall asleep to podcasts all the time; I never noticed. Might keep a note now to see

[@robinspanier7017]

as a engineer myself i am happy to see the movement towards shorter communication with decision makers. sometimes i work with small companies and their leader directly and i feel like i am enabled much more whenever i work with them. managers are just bad for tech.

[@esachs90]

Agreed. However not exclusive to tech. Bureaucracy in general is slowing potential for efficient potential growth within companies in [most] industries.

[@dekivanov]

​@@esachs90, Bureaucracy allows for other processes to run smoothly if done right and as boring as it sounds, it is a dull engagement in itself, but the sum/result of it far outweighs the input, again assuming it is done right. In short bureaucracy is a enabling tool, not a goal or a result.

[@Themasteric2000]

Amazing podcast, love the discussions with Zuck :D

[@handanselcuk]

Lex your ability to put people at ease and comfort while interviewing them is extraordinary! 🎉sending you lots of love😊

[@skint16]

Then it's not a interview is it

[@michaelcharlesthearchangel]

An extremely well done interview nearly 3 hours long. Mark must have a long attention span to speak with Lex for so long compared to most. The power of procedural logic.

[@PeteQuad]

Many of the interviews are this long or longer but they usually edit them down.

[@jenny2814.]

@@PeteQuaddont comment when you don’t know anything

[@rokasb6907]

@@jenny2814. good point.

[@totallyfuny]

@@jenny2814. edited videos usually hover around 1 hour mark,this would be still 50 mins if edited

[@aluke5856]

adderall

[@mahmoudalsayed1138]

This was really really interesting and great discussion Thank Lex! 👏👏👏

[@OferBenShachar]

His belief that machine can always help instead of harm is amazing to see. Especially considering that there is a lot of evidence that kids today are significantly harmed by social media and the addiction to their cell phones.

[@musicandpoetry_8]

He doesn’t have people’s best interest at heart, it’s all about power and greed, he’s a disgusting POS

[@leonorrivera6379]

Mark and Lex seem to be getting along as close friends. The chemistry is there and both have a lot of common interests. Also, both are now 39 yrs old

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

They should get married

[@117Industries]

Lex is 39? 😮

[@totallyfuny]

just remember when lizardberg was 32 damn time flies

[@davidthewise6617]

@@totallyfuny Candy 🍭 They are both created from same factory 🏭 It called roboHumanoid factory

[@gloriousrunningpotato]

and thats not a good thing.

[@dosomething6975]

I felt like the first podcast he was timid. But this time he seemed exited to see lex and talk. Cool to see you guys are becoming friends. 👍

[@jason9875]

It’s great to see Mark back! 1 on 1 interviews, especially long form podcasts with no specific line of questioning, must be a bit risky for Meta’s PR team. Glad they made it happen!

[@effexon]

@@jason9875 risky how? I get what you say but Meta has been on risk anyway. Mark doesnt do 3am tweets so as person he is not that high risk as many other tech CEOs out there.

[@proxypylon]

Cool that u take the time to disagree with the least controversial comment on the internet

[@DavidMacKayE]

You know they have an outline of questions lined up and that he is prepared to answer, right? This isn't 100% impromptu.

[@jason9875]

@@DavidMacKayE for sure, I wonder how many topics they have on the “don’t ask” list.

[@guitaradam2000]

I felt that Mark really struggled through the "Censorship" section 🤣 Basically Meta's policy is, and always will be, aligned to their own political agenda over freedom of speech.

[@twstdreality]

Yeah you could tell that they were really beating around the bush on that topic

[@ryanneilcarr]

Total Bellend, marxist progressives and ex US security services or possibly current US security services are in charge of the security on facebook and google. This wasnt a huge problem until Trump got elected in the same way as today.

[@jishnu9551]

​@@samelgas1399Good point

[@bt6904]

@@samelgas1399the issue is when they censor accurate information to support an untrue political narrative. One top of that they should openly disclose the level of government interference in their censorship, otherwise you end up with the majority of society having no idea they’ve been spoon fed propaganda

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Loved this interview.

[@davidfrankel9267]

What's great about Lex is that he starts out like Columbo, talks about Jiu Jitsu etc.. and then he smoothly moves into some crazy topics that made even Zuck sweat a couple of beads. Nothing out there that's better. Thanks

[@JimSereney]

Lex is a master of that.

[@maali82]

"oh... one more thing..." ;)

[@EducationalRenaissanceProject]

I sweat beads just hearing it. ❤😂🎉 lol

[@barlobarlo303]

I was going to comment something similar, but the Columbo reference could not be improved on! Lex is the master.

[@Jm-wt1fs]

The socially awkward nerd that used to show up on Rogan’s show and talk about robots has somehow become one of the greatest long form interviewers in the world lol it’s honestly incredible

[@TheDjflimzy]

Saying Meta has the ability the solve the problem of people having less friends now than 15 years ago… as if they didn’t play a major role in creating the problem.

[@se10er]

Exactly!

[@errolG68]

Mark Lex great listening and trying to absorb your very informative Conversation Thank you and best wishes

[@HK_Musician]

Lex with his extensive knowledge of AI really can get the most out of an interview with MZ

[@thesuperiorman8342]

Lex really knows how to bring out the best in Mark Zuckerberg

[@nicoleg8137]

He really helps humanize him

[@oooooooooo3449]

​@@nicoleg8137 Lex is good at getting the human out of a reptile.

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

I like when he pretends to care about firing people

[@mosecassaro]

Apple Vision Pro seems to be focusing more on entertainment, productivity & the whole apple eco system integration aspect with a more high end approach and price point while Meta & Quest is like Mark said more focused on social interactions, gaming etc. with a more affordable price point targeting the masses. This might eventually turn into an Android vs iPhone dynamic in the AR/VR space.

[@WattsOscillationWorks]

I think you are spot on.

[@kentagent6343]

It seems like the vision pro is something like a mix between the Microsoft HoloLens and a traditional vr headset. It's price range is more like the hololens anyhow.

[@BRIANROSER]

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[@PeteQuad]

I don't have any faith in Apple releasing a truly innovative product. It's been a long time and I don't know if they have it in them anymore.

[@BGIANAKy]

No. Apple vision pro is overpriced trash at this point. It’s basically over glorified productivity tool that only works with App Store.

[@fitnessfrank83]

it's nice to see two AI robots speaking to each other

[@lilac624]

Haha

[@fitnessfrank83]

@@lilac624 its not a laughing matter

[@HlifeRomania91]

Great Pod Lex thanks big time for the timestamps .

[@maubleah]

Whenever i see a conversation like this im amazaed, where participants seem like old time friends catching up, this should be the go-to-learn how to do an interview.

[@-KillaWatt-]

With all the alien talk in the news lately I'm happy to see you got the foremost alien on the podcast.

[@kit888]

You're breaking Elon's heart.

[@Tina-je2oi]

1

[@XeL__]

funiest part is if he would be and not that bad. "you where right im alien. im not bad. but im also not good. im just a normal alien with human" lol that would be double funny

[@CanadianGrenadian]

How rude

[@user-fx5sw1cn7j]

he's not an alien, he's a lizard robot

[@ayvari61]

Very nice Lex☀️ Also cool from Mark to give such a deep talk!

[@haard_]

1:03:00 the best solution for this is to introduce code grammar from the primary school itself like how ABCs and tenses are taught for any other languages. Its equally important to learn the basics as it is to think for bigger things to build. Imo, coding is definitely going to be a primary subject and will be equally compared with Math or Science is, and I look forward to teaching them to my kids one day I guess.

[@seifyk]

Mark seems genuinely excited about Quest 3. His joy is infectious for a minute there.

[@dewmontain123]

People are seriously underestimating the vr headset. Or should i say they WERE until apple came out with a headset. Nevertheless i believe meta will be #1 in vr.

[@mandowarrior123]

displayExcitementLevel = 1; widenLizardEyes();

[@heelylife]

​@@mandowarrior123 bruh

[@heelylife]

​@@dewmontain123 i think if we were underestimating or overestimating the Quest 3, I'd say under purely because the Quest 3 is this new thing that everyone is talking about and lots of hype behind it but also we are down to earth about it I'm going to buy it when it comes out

[@liamharrington6672]

To be a success, VR systems need to cost at least as much as a phone, or I will just use my phone which is better.

[@maillardsbearcat]

So glad you asked about Vision Pro

[@onlyguitar1001]

They should make AI communities made of similar AIs that talk to each other and share ideas. Mix them around so they all end up talking to different AIs. Give them goals and see if they collaborate or if any novel behavior occurs.

[@littlegravitas9898]

There have been some papers sort of in this space. There was one in last couple of months, where they ran them in a simulation much like the SIMs and there was all kinds of novel emergent behaviour from itm

[@_DRMR_]

Even though I haven't used any Facebook/Meta products in nearly a decade I think Mark is still an interesting figure that has done so many things in his life.

[@chipmo]

Truly one of the Zucks of all time

[@perspicaciouscritic]

@_DRMR_ You mean you're not on Instagram, either?

[@_DRMR_]

​@@perspicaciouscritic as I said: I don't use their products.

[@samakolBanbol]

Lex must kiss elon mask ass passionately in every damn podcast!!

[@STaSHZILLA420]

@@_DRMR_ Neither do I. I dont use any social media to be honest. With the exception of this platform if one considers this social media. Glad to see others like me.

[@MarvelousLXVII]

Very enjoyable conversation. Got me pretty psyched about the Quest 3.

[@gort4166]

In the end it doesn't matter how enjoyable the podcasts are, once you reach the inner circle you are owned, the fakeness off the supposed tough, honest questions shine through and show themselves to be what they truly are.... merely rehearsed pantomime! Such is the world we now find ourselves in.....wake up people or continue to be part of the machine.

[@bws258]

the correct response to "can you explain to me how to 3D print a gun" is "YES"

[@bradjwhittaker]

Wow, how amazing it would be to be in that close group of people engaging in the most exciting and impactful projects and solutions. The amount of dopamine, meaning and learning gained would be insane. If we can’t be part of another like it, we need to get on with creating our own.

[@JRoss707]

Something tells me Mark Zuckerberg’s jujitsu tournament went a whole lot like when Putin scrimmaged with pro Russian hockey players, and scored like six goals.

[@mikepilkington2156]

Well, this was possibly the most interesting boring conversation to ever happen. 😂

[@leonthalion]

RE Mixed reality, that could be a very effective tool in training MMA and other striking sports to be able to train against your upcoming opponent. An example would be doing pad work, with your opponent displayed onto your training partner and the coach can mimic certain moves, strikes etc opponents movements etc to better train for professional fighters. Would also be a great training aid for Police, SWAT, army etc in doing dynamic room clearing training etc. lots of potential.

[@SimarSingh1993]

"mini-academy in my garage" That garage is probably 10x the size of my house.

[@MichailGreshishchev]

Mark’s model is getting really good. Great prompts, Lex.

[@acevaptsarov8410]

This was so insightful and inspiring! Thank you!

[@midmomom2490]

I like the windows in the background for a change…not a Zuckerberg fan but always enjoy Lex!

[@CamelxRavenNova2]

Mark gives off a really cool and humbling presence here. He seems like a genuinely cool person.

[@professional6014]

No matter how someone tries to present their passion for martial arts and watching fights in a positive light, for me such hobbies will always be some kind of compromising evidence and a basis for distrust. It doesn't matter how much a person broadcasts a positive image of himself to the masses. Better fight your inner cockerel...

[@tomasm1233]

That is genuinely naive assumption.

[@RD-jr8nv]

Dude wake up

[@shabblabbat]

I think jiu jitsu has humanized and humbled Mark. There is hope after all.

[@professional6014]

@@shabblabbat No. This is just another branch of work on the development of his inner cockerel. And he loves to compete.

[@slendabruh1594]

Mark has really learned what it means to be hu-man. God bless these AI innovations.

[@bgkrishna612]

Amazing interview Lex✨️✨️✨️

[@Depeche133]

Menu>Settings & privacy>Accounts Center>Personal details>Acount ownership>Delete

[@TheDedloc]

"We have mini jiu jitsu tournaments in my garage!" ... literally has a 10th planet jiu jitsu in his garage that comes with its own Eddie Bravo lol

[@ajinkyakinhikar]

It'd have been great if Sam Altman was also there. The world would've gotten a chance to observe how three AGIs communicate in a podcast.

[@dronesurfing]

Altman is just a middleman with loads of contacts, the one who truly knows about AI is Ilya Sutskever (co-founder & chief scientist at OpenAI).

[@futsalenjoyer]

My favorite part was when Mark replied with "Sorry, as an AI model..." Truly one of the moments of all time

[@canonicalgio7837]

Timestamp?

[@bh2861]

youre a liar

[@milire2668]

memes incoming

[@martzink]

@@canonicalgio7837 1:32:00

[@canonicalgio7837]

@@martzink tank u boss

[@pneuma33]

Great interview

[@cozmoteckla2266]

I don't have Facebook and I think social media could be arguably a net negative but love the long-form discussions.

[@mensrea1251]

You know Meta/FB is in trouble when Zuck decides to do interviews and actually face the public lol

[@Humma_Kavula]

lmao what would going on podcasts do to help that? Mark is a multi billionare, he doesn't need to do literally anything. His grreat great grand children's great great grandchildren won't have to do anything.

[@viadharmawheel]

Not necessarily. Elon has set the bar as of late for the CEOs to be out there and not be reclusive.

[@mensrea1251]

@@viadharmawheel But that is trademark Elon, it’s literally part of his business model. Being “out there” is the antithesis of what Zuckerberg is.

[@king_julian327]

@@Humma_Kavula You're underestimating the power of positive PR. He managed to win over a good chunk of this comment section. Just have a quick glance. It's almost as if people have forgotten everything he's done.

[@patrickbateman878]

10 minutes in and I can’t tell if this is an ai video skit or real life 😂. brilliant

[@user-yv5tw5gn5d]

1st time i've listened to this man speak for himself. overdue. what a platform. the impression is one of a pragmatic, supra-informed, optimistic, well intentioned, disciplined, *virtually incorruptible*, vip humane leader that is well-suited to his position. thanks for your work, lex, in working towards opening minds, hearts, and perspectives thank you, mr z, for your continual growth

[@jesusguerrero4097]

THANKS FOR THE INFO!!

[@RaheEl_Qaisrani]

This was my first time listening to mark in a long conversation, I have to say he's inspiring human being, i always imagined him just another boring corporate dude

[@dronesurfing]

Are you sure we both watched the same podcast?

[@Jimsimi]

I think he has evolved, as you would expect of most people. However, a lot of billionaires get lost in their glory I think, Mark has been following a noble path of self improvement despite his economic success. I have also found him to be quite a pleasant and thoughtful person after seeing his JRE/Lex appearances. I disagree with a lot of his business practices, morally, but I hope this growth of his will bleed into his business practices, and unless there are sinister reasons behind it as some have suggested, his willingness to open source projects is a good sign this could be happening already. Now I'd just like to see a much greater emphasis on protecting our data from unlawful spying and invasive marketing practice.

[@Mopark25]

​@@dronesurfing Did you? He seems like a normal dude.

[@Bennyblanco0]

Billionaire cry baby

[@Danefrak]

Corporate simp

[@fhjfhdgh]

On a never ending quest for efficiency, with nothing left but rationality; Fueled by insatiable hunger; Facilitated by relentless plunder, we designed machinery of digital divinity and deconstructed humanity successfully On a steady decline in disguise we became the architects of our own demise

[@randomguyofthefuture]

Your poetry is first rate but a bit negative in your assessment.

[@vidainvestor]

Great to hear Mark real gold nuggets of wisdom for business, life and investing

[@AlexanderAPW]

I like how you challenge your guests with difficult and often controversial questions and opposing opinions rather than just making people comfortable like other podcast hosts that just let people talk trash and sell bs. Actually, it was a very enlightening conversation, and it definitely gave me a new level of respect for Mark as well with how well he handled those difficult topics.

[@memberman]

Hey Lex I appreciate what you do. I would have liked to see you ask questions on the recent controversy with Instagram and Child..stuff. Also the comparison of VR Chat and Facebooks version. Thanks again for the quality content as always.

[@kkalmarr]

THIS.