Lexus GSF vs Dodge Charger Scat Pack: $85k Japanese Muscle And $40k American Muscle [Wheel2Wheel]

The Lexus GSF is on its last legs. It never truly competed against things like the BMW M5 or the Mercedes E63. It was never quite as disciplined. So what happens when you have it run with a totally different crowd? Today we see how the GSF compares to something less than half its price - the Dodge Charger 392 Scat Pack.
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[@iandalonso]

Picked up a used GSF last year. No regrets, the GSF has more than enough power to make me happy.

[@03jojo78]

How much did you get it for???

[@Honja999]

@@03jojo78 probably not as much as now

[@03jojo78]

zDEITY you know any price ranges tho I look for some and they still in the 50k- 70k range

[@Honja999]

@@03jojo78 the lowest I saw was around 40k but that was a couple months ago. Now the price has went up due to lexus killing off the 2urgse and GsF.

[@mcc78405]

@@03jojo78 not OP but I got mine 2 weeks after lexus announced that it would be discontinued for 46k out the door. Got lucky before the price increase Edit: 16 USB gsf with red interior and 35k miles

[@bobbyrobbyn1838]

Everyone in my city has a 392. Never have i seen a GSF , maybe a IsF but theyre rare. I LOVE torque so the 392 has always been my go to car , but the GSF is perfect. Perfect colorways , interior is incredible, wheels are sick. Sleeper

[@bukkuk5949]

Yeah .. they were asleep when they ddsigned. Exterior .. it's ugly ass hell .. -) ..

[@thisismagacountry1318]

@@bukkuk5949 When you're driving a sleeper the whole point is NOT to be noticed.

[@vel6979]

They all have a 392 because it’s cheap. The gsf is still better and more quality

[@thisismagacountry1318]

@@cn2673

[@bobbyrobbyn1838]

@UCFebJGGfaSU3ZYITTA6MNRw In the exterior no, In the interior yes. All jokes aside I own a 2018 GSF & my wife owns a Charger GT. I feel no differences & im 6’1, considering the chargers rear leg interior is only 7 inches bigger.

[@turbopickle9720]

I see about 10 scats everyday on my way to work, the Lexus is just more special and unique and rarer.

[@dwnshft]

Turbopickle yuuuuppp💯

[@jayy5159]

Downshift unique doesn’t always mean better

[@user-fo8sn7mw6z]

@@jayy5159 in this case, it is

[@Htxracing97]

And slower

[@invalidusername_5101]

Because it's overpriced 85k you'd be a fool to get it for that price even if money isn't an issue. The scat is fairly priced and a American car in America , I'd expect to see more GSF in china or Japan. GSF just doesn't look as good as a scatpack charger or Challenger

[@johnleto475]

Used Lexus > New Dodge

[@PlatapusPhucker]

No, its like Used lexus=2 Scat Pack or 1 Hellcat.

[@dwnshft]

100%

[@kahlonjatt09]

@@PlatapusPhucker used Lexus is over 100k ? Cause last I checked a hellcat or ever a redeye is over 100k fully equipped. Stop hurling bullshit you Lexus fan boy.

[@PlatapusPhucker]

@@kahlonjatt09 wait, i am lexus fan boy?

[@Spawn_187]

Any day of the week😂

[@vinclarke777]

Lexus is like Japan's Bentley (with more reliability) so there is NO COMPARISON.

[@fernandovz601]

@Speed Gate I had a 2013 Dodge Charger R / T and it didn't last more than 150,000 miles, But a Lexus I'm sure it would last more than 150,000, it also has a Toyota engine, those are bulletproof!

[@kgisabeast]

@Speed Gate i can’t speak for all dodges but I have two close friends one bought a slightly used charger and one actually ordered a v8 challenger new and they’ve both had numerous issues. The one with the challenger actually had an issue dodge couldn’t figure out how to fix so they had to cut him a check

[@stunnasaad]

@Speed Gate Even if dodge has good reliability, it will never beat toyota/lexus reliability. The 1UZ-FE is one of the most reliable v8s in the market, can go 300K miles no problem

[@doughboy5858]

@Speed Tube yeah you have no idea what you’re talking about. There are statistics that show reliability amongst car brands, dodge is somewhere between middle of the pack-bottom of the list. Lexus has been #1 for like 13 of the last 15 years & when they weren’t first they were #2 lol

[@ej254]

@Speed Tube My brother have a 2008 lexus with almost 500k miles today and still running strong zero issues. Got 2 other friends with 2014 and 2018 challengers both are below 60k miles. One got issues with AC , and valve ticking.. the other had problems with fuel pump die frequently!!!

[@MartinofVegas]

No doubt, Scatpack has better infotament, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for. Most GSF buyers don't care about outdated infotainment. The GSF buyer is someone who wants a unique, rare, powerful, amazing build quality machine. Many GSF owners form an emotional attachment to it. The craftsmanship of the Lexus will outlast any Dodge. The Lexus GSF is a very rare and limited production car while Dodge sctapacks and Hellcats are for the masses, they are seen everywhere and everyone has them. Think about the last time you spotted GSF on the road? GSF is possibly more scarce than the Ferrari F480. The sound American muscle cars make is mostly through their exhaust systems. The Lexus induction sound offers an instant eargasm at 3600 RPM and when combined with an aftermarket system - a sound of thunder opens up. Either way, both cars are great and, although GSF is my choice, the Scatpat has a lot going and the sound of the American V8 is always classic.

[@christianmontano2361]

There you go!

[@bigchocolate8547]

@@christianmontano2361 he isn't lying

[@seikocitizenwatches]

GS-F any day of the year all year.

[@dwnshft]

lololololol :)

[@davidwade7681]

Yup ya get what you pay for

[@Ns7x]

david wade and it is more reliable :)

[@Tsond123]

👌💪

[@asdf51501]

If you have the budget.

[@christophersparkman]

The GSF is totally worth it when buying used. I agree that at $85k, it’s overpriced.... but gently used and only like 30k miles and costs ~45k, that’s the better deal. Hence why I put my money where my mouth is and bought one last year. 👍

[@dwnshft]

completely and totally agree - used Lexus products, especuially their F products, are such a good value due to their incredible reliability

[@christophersparkman]

@@Luke_MoonWalker it definitely did. I was able to trade it in for a new car and basically lost no money from driving it for those couple years. Winning!

[@SIDVENOM]

@@christophersparkmanAfter watching this video and you stating that you bought a used GSF. What made you finally got rid of it and buying a new car? Which car did you end up buying and why that car brand?

[@christophersparkman]

@@SIDVENOM the reason I got rid of it is bc my family is growing and we needed a bigger vehicle. I bought an Audi A6 Allroad (wagon) but it was a total pile so I sold it and decided to just drive my old beater that's paid off. 💰

[@decali0223]

You can't compare the excellent quality of a Lexus with a Dodge. That doesn't make any sense. The Lexus isn't meant for everyone. .

[@Drewster327]

Bought a scatpack 3 years ago, its a great car, what it lacks in interior it makes up for in performance and you just start to live for that v8 roar feeling the engine vibrate through your body, there really is nothing like it and the 8speed transmission is so smooth and aggressive! I love every minute of it

[@MrMustangrick]

Lexus GS F V8 baby. I love love mine. Best quality muscle sedan ever.

[@dwnshft]

💯💯💯

[@ItsSOMSon]

I like dodge muscles but inside look so cheap

[@dwnshft]

yep

[@davidwade7681]

Very cheap

[@doom6985]

If you owned one it would not matter I say that as a scat pack owner 🙂.

[@bukkuk5949]

MOPAR or no CAR ..

[@vel6979]

It isn’t luxury

[@Sionicjustice]

But you do sacrifice reliability in the charger. The GSF though more expensive is more reliable.

[@dwnshft]

That's 100% correct

[@aimxdy8680]

And more luxurious, better interior quality

[@unknownunknowns]

The GSF may have all of those advantages but at twice the price?

[@Mike.3GS]

Stefan Unson you might be able to catch them for cheaper.but its not easy tbh.such a hard choice for mee.brain says charger heart says lexus.

[@unknownunknowns]

ツ_Riftz It’s not easy, as you say, as how long does the GSF depreciate from $85K to $40K? By the time it hits at Scat Pack’s price, its tech would be ancient.

[@Adrianwesker]

Okay, if you want to keep something forever get the Lexus GSF but if you want temporary get the Dodge Charger scat pack.

[@Zaysav]

The charger is reliable

[@miketothesupra]

@@Zaysav depends how its reliable. Lexus v8 after 200k motor taken apart and everything was in mint condition

[@issavibez394]

​@Zaysav my coworker charger engine blew at 100k 😂 😂

[@kennyhu1]

No comparison, I still have my 1999 GS400 with 300,000 Km still running like new. Pass to my youngest son, my 2004 sc430 with 200,000 pass to my older son. I drive 2011 ISF still worth $48,000 which I drove or for 10 years.

[@dwnshft]

Lexus F cars>>>>

[@gritsgong]

Like the charger, Love the GSF

[@dwnshft]

Hahaha pretty much exactly my thoughts

[@benspiritas7050]

Downshift love your videos

[@dwnshft]

Ben Spiritas thanks for the support!

[@benspiritas7050]

Downshift your welcome

[@benspiritas7050]

Downshift I saw a white Bentley convertible this past Sunday it was beautiful

[@fred89pj]

After 5 years the value of the charger will half of price and ready to junk. No other brand can age better over time than Lexus/Toyota

[@kristians2704]

there’s more to a car than reliability

[@erickreyes7373]

Used scat packs are going for 43k-47k 😂😂

[@fred89pj]

@@kristians2704 you are right but I am not rich so owning a Lexus IS the best option for me

[@deadstockflaco]

This didn’t age well

[@arthurl.9985]

@@kristians2704 That's true, but reliability and resale are important factors. I worked for dodge before they are p.o.s.'s. Always back to the dealer with problems. The lexus only goes to the dealer when it's due for routine maintenance.

[@things4yougaming723]

I will keep my GS f forever!!!! They stop making them this year 😭😭😭

[@Omegan369]

Damn right!

[@TomTheCat.]

Never consider selling it. I still have my GS350 but gonna get keep it and still get a GSF.

[@aus10li]

Keeping mine forever too!

[@djardy07]

Hell yea. I have a ‘09 ISF non-navigation so this bitch is timeless :)

[@Sprizzy718]

Definitely buying a GSF after my 350 f sport is paid off. I wanna keep both. The used car market is way too hot right now

[@josephhaney884]

Loved the comparison. I own a 2016 scat charger maximum steel blue with 100k. Absolutely the best car I have ever owned. Zero mechanical issues. Brings a smile per mile and has been worth the maintenance cost. I am selling it this week given the crazy used car market. The plan is in 2022 when the car market stabilizes buy a used GSF/RCF or buy another Dodge. Maybe a F8 green challenger wide body scat shaker with tan interior and the manual since the days of a 6.4 liter manual are numbered. My brain says Lexus my heart says Dodge.

[@King_BeeF]

I love the look and feel of the scat/hellcat but Chryslers (owners of Dodge) are notorious for not being reliable 😫

[@chrisburnside3643]

I was a Dodge guy until I bought my first Lexus. Did he really say fancy boy muscle car🤣😂🤣

[@h35t4r]

What'd you buy?

[@h35t4r]

@MELLOW thanks appreciate the follow up

[@clinteagles4925]

I've owned a GS for 9 years. Replaced brake pads, water pump, battery, lower control arms. Can have it washed for free once a week. Best car Ive ever owned. Beats anything for reliability, comfort and build quality. You won't win any races but an amazing piece of kit

[@dwnshft]

That’s awesome 😎

[@issavibez394]

A scatpack will lose

[@martsmarts]

Like comparing American beer and Japanese Whiskey... 2 different classes and purpose built cars. The casual fun car vs the refined classy grand tourer sedan.

[@GrandmasFolly]

The Aviator Aren’t they equally American now? Dodge is owned by Fiat Italy but still made here. Lexus has production facilities in Canada and the US.

[@martsmarts]

@@GrandmasFolly production facility is still different from development teams and the group of people spearheading the project. Regardless of origins, they're still different classes.

[@wanyelewis9667]

@@GrandmasFolly they do. But the higher level Lexus vehicles are made in Japan. The lower priced, higher volume es & rx are manufactured in the US, at least in part.

[@aus10li]

Two cool cars. I love my GSF especially with exhaust

[@dwnshft]

Nice!

[@tokiwartooth2661]

Journalists are absolutely killing the car industry. The biggest factor for this dude when comparing rear wheel drive v8’s seems to be the infotainment systems

[@dwnshft]

hahaha not sure how you got that..

[@tokiwartooth2661]

@@dwnshft 6:23

[@luckysarai2122]

For the longest time I have been going back and forth from the gsf to the Charger and I could never see myself spending the money on the F. Trying to bargain and negotiate with Lexus to obtain a deal was a nightmare. Dodge went above and beyond with rebates, dealer discounts etc... I’ve had my 392 charger for over 6 months now and don’t regret it. I am also Lexus master certified technician and can agree they have the best machine on the market and this being my first “American” car I am impressed with the technology that’s has been put into it. Reliability is their as it is a simple machine in terms of engine and transmission is a German ZF which is found on the new Supra, all of FCA products and on bmw and Mercedes. Interior I agree you can see fingerprints etc.. I used chemical guys ceramic fabric interior and nothing sticks to the dash.

[@uziz8353]

I fail to understand why you couldn't get a used one, if you are a tech you know what to look at. Now the prices are higher then they were 6 months ago, I got a new one much under invoice because I couldnt get a used one local to me. the challenger is a beauty too and sounds insane.

[@Shadow-lq7rx]

you couldnt get an employee discount?

[@justo2throwed11]

Lucky Sarai where you located bruh

[@davidtranmedia5112]

I had the same issue picking the GSF AND THE 392. I already have a supercharged Lexus but wanted a v8. So was going back and fourth love Lexus love the v8 but wish it had more tq. Love the 392 but see it at every light. So I got the 2017 Chevrolet SS/Holden commodore. Luxury inside 6.2 v8. Plenty of tq. And its drives like a German without the high maintenance. I've owned plenty of BMW and benz and when I say I was shocked when I drove it. So good that I'm thinking of buying another one just for a daily. Also price is going up lol

[@tom11zz884]

It is hard to get deals on " Quality that last"...remember that.

[@abcxyz6606]

If i can afford it, i'll take the GSF, i expect it to be more reliable and obviously better built, but since Charger is cheap in price, i'll take the charger, but but since i cant afford a 40k car either, i'll stick with my old used car, tyvm.

[@Midwest..]

Can find used ISF, RCF and GSF for around 35k-45k 😎👍

[@MrRandomTwat]

@@Midwest.. ISF yes, RCF maybe, GSF nope

[@troymonthei]

Gsf used not many miles in the 50's now. I have one and an isF. What some don't know is the piping and cat systems on these are notoriously restricting and just simply letting it breathe with intake/header/exhaust and tune if you'd like, just bolt ons, gain alot more power than almost any other car, dyno proven results. With the sound and torque increase it really wakes it up and puts it past its contemporaries.

[@hassanbigboss]

I have not even watched the video and can say it is useless to compare the two. The Lexus has a fit and finish quality which shadows over the Dodge no matter which way you slice it. I have a 2018 Mustang GT with all the options but I know for a fact I cant compare it to an LC500 or RCF etc. If I had the money, I would be in a Lexus no contest.

[@Simon_Cow]

Having the money is not always the case, some people just want more horsepower and a much faster car and some people prefer a luxurious atmosphere.

[@Billfish57]

You get what you pay for. That fact never goes away. Drive both of these cars for 5-7 years and see how much they are costing to keep on the road. The Lexus will still just be gas, oil and tires, the Dodge will need several trips to the repair shop, that's just the nature of American made cars. Then, put them up for sale after all that time and see what they will put in your bank account towards your next ride. The Lexus will still have a lot or worth and the Dodge very little by comparison. The Dodge will cost less, but over time and with resale factored in, not as much less as you might think. I've had my GS F for one year now and I still am in love with it. When I get out and walk away, about half the time I still look back at it, that's after a year. That's a lot of love. BTW, smoothest V-8 engine I have ever seen by a long shot. It's really hard to tell if it's running by feeling for vibration, it just sits there like it's turned off, really smooth. I may never sell it.

[@soulmaster63]

I have to say that my experience with Dodge has been better than some of the European brands I have owned which have required frequent and expensive repairs, not to mention steep depreciation. I have owned 2 Scat Packs ( currently daily a 2019 Scat Pack Charger) and a Hellcat. They have all been very reliable and fun. It also seems that the depreciation curve of the Charger Scat isn’t very steep either. After a generous discount from my dealer, my Charger seems to be worth what I paid 18 months ago. Dodge seems to get a bad wrap because many owners flog their cars mercilessly and don’t maintain them well. It is a machine that spends a great part of its life outdoors and is exposed to the elements. The Lexus GSF is a glorious car and much more refined than the Dodge; no contest. I have watched the market on the Lexus F cars and they do depreciate steeply until their sweet spot of $35,000. Automobiles depreciate and require maintenance. The more you spend, the more you’ll lose ( Porsche GT3 excluded) . The manufacturer sets the initial retail price, the consumer market decides future value based on aesthetics, reliability, performance , availability and perceived value. I paid $39,000 for my well equipped Charger Scat Pack after some clever negotiating. Reliability? I paid $1500 to extend my bumper to bumper and drivetrain warranty to 8 years. 😂

[@sederniokardia7133]

European cars are a money pit. To be honest way over priced. I’ll rather drop the money on something reliable tags drives and like good. #lexus

[@4ever4ward_14]

@Speed Gate bro Lexus Is way more reliable then dodge it’s a much a smarter buy but if you don’t care about anything but fast but a Honda put big ass turbos and you’ll beat everything on the block

[@mjordan9868]

1st Lexus IS not European it's Japanese, Toyota and Honda do NOT depreciate like a dodge AT ALL lol, a scat pack may tell sell at 35k but when u go to trade It they only giving you 20 when you paid 44 if you trade a Lexus GSF and you paid (used) 50 and you tread It in a year you getting 50

[@DesertStateInEU]

@@mjordan9868 Nowhere did he say Luxus is European. The fact that you can't read simple information explains all the other nonsense you said.

[@Blackntanxguy]

I see so many chargers out here in California LA. It’s like every block I see one. Lexus GSF very rare car to have. Lexus for the reliability for the brand. Very fun car to drive. Lexus for the win for me.

[@jacobrael9872]

Agreed, EVERYBODY has or wants a dodge in my city lol so having one really doesnt make you look that cool but the gsf is almost exotic

[@gracefigureo314]

Trust me a GSF with traction control off is way more pleasing then a scat lol. It feels like an angry jacked up Toyota on steroids😂

[@VanishPenguin]

The lexus is not just low on torque, but the first 3 gears are tall as fuck. So it defintely feels more sluggish at slow speeds

[@dwnshft]

arms manga this is correct

[@motaz1975]

one is a crap box that falls apart and loses value, the other is well built, rare to see and holds its value.

[@Thizz2011]

Imagine if Lexus built a 6.0 V8 engine. The horse power/ torque will pass dodge’s 6.4 easily.

[@rdhoops1067]

I mean you’re paying for luxury and reliability Much more finer then an American muscle.

[@chris92sda]

The technology isn't bad. You don't get distracted and look down at it. You park up and learn it real quick then its easy to navigate. It's luxury and sport. Not to find finger prints all over a screen. It stays looking clean and classy

[@ZZz-ud3bb]

!!!

[@wanyelewis9667]

Not sure I understand the complaints about the Lexus remote infotainment interface. I had an '09 GS 350 with a touch screen navigation system. It worked, but over 10 years on, the finger prints added up. In 2013, Lexus redesigned the GS (a major upgrade in just about every way) and touted the no-touch system with the remote joystick as a modern update. Now people are saying that it's "old school" and want a touch screen again. Really? I traded the '09 for a '15 a couple of years ago, and once I got the hang of it, the remote screen has been no problem. As good as that '09 was, the '15 has been the best car I've ever had. Would love a GSF just to have something so rare.

[@rmoore4yris]

A used 4 year old GS-F cost more than a new Dodge. That should tell you which car would be the best pick. The best car is LEXUS, no headaches or worries.

[@area50view]

Great review but one thing you can work on is the music..it's too loud. I can't really hear you talking in the intro

[@josephhaney884]

I have a 16 Scat pack Maximum Steal Blue daily driver with 90k and zero issues. Get tons of thumbs up all day and the car makes me happy every time I drive it. My next car potentially is a used GSF for about the same price as a new 392. My mind tells me it is the smart move but my heart pulls me to Dodge . Think I’ll take out her out now and do some 40 pulls on the highway and smile.

[@NatoriousGamePlay]

Just a small bit of criticism, I thought the music was a bit too loud compared to your voice. But otherwise great video earned a new subscriber

[@dwnshft]

Thanks! Yeah a couple others have said the same about the music so I'll adjust in coming videos

[@tom11zz884]

The Dodge is nice, but will fall apart after 3 years Give me that Lexus any day...

[@dwnshft]

Lexussss>

[@jaredfletcher1587]

@Speed Gate wow 63k miles, thats nothing 😂. Toyotas or lexus reach 200k like nothing

[@jvadventures4898]

@Speed Gate will they only have like 9 brand of vehicles so #8 is pretty bad 😄 🤣 😂

[@jayy5159]

This is extremely incorrect my dad has had his 2017 since 2017 and it hasn’t needed a big service yet, knock on wood

[@123PSPs]

@@jaredfletcher1587 63k ain't nothing to be proud of 😂 comment back when you hit at least 180k miles that's nothing to a Lexus

[@Narakou]

This was such a great video man. Thank you so much for this comparison. I love these comparisons. Even though they’re not in the same category, some of us either want the grit or the luxury side of a V8 and this said a lot. Thank you again. Well compared!

[@Justin-dy2ib]

Nice comparison! But I prefer reliability and something you don’t see on the road every day. I love the way the charger looks inside and out but they’re a dime a dozen. I’ll spend on the GSF

[@dwnshft]

Justin thanks! I’m with you here

[@tolane76]

The GSF is over priced and old tech. Hard pass for me. Now if it was say 50-60k 👌

[@dwnshft]

T used? 🤷‍♂️

[@Justin-dy2ib]

For sure. You can find a lot under 30k mileage between 45-60k depending on stock or modified.

[@tolane76]

@@dwnshft yes slightly used. I think is a good deal.

[@mrerick0363652]

Lexus infotainment system is great but it's 1 of those things you have to spend time with it to master. I own one and don't have any problems with it.

[@dwnshft]

That's the issue though - other companies systems don't take 3 years to get comfortable with. The goal should be that a normal person can sit down and navigate the system with relative ease. Their newer track pad style is better, but I still prefer a scroll wheel.

[@mrerick0363652]

@@dwnshft Hey different people pick up on things and some people don't I have no problem with the system..

[@noahschaub1984]

They knew what they were doing when the designed it. It wasn’t meant to be used frequently while driving. I have a 2007 GS350 and I have used the touchscreen maybe twice in the last year.

[@paulmarr7873]

People have become so enamored with gagetery and tech they may miss the bigger picture. I use my phone 80% of the time in this car and the infotainment system is a non issue and not a danger at all IMO, it gives you what you need, not everything you may want. At the end of the day it's how it feels to drive the car and the GSF is a solid, reliable blast to drive. Your reaction at 12:24 says it all :)

[@bbbt8090]

Chargers look mean as F on the road but im a Lexus guy! GSF is comfort, luxury and enough performance for my taste.

[@kevinhernandez5422]

Not to mention with FBO and a tune the Lexus sounds and pulls amazingly… from what I seen on KZbin of course because I can’t afford one haha

[@YSOFFCER]

I agree with you. I don't even have headers on my RC-F yet, just a cat-back exhaust, and it already sounds amazing lol (I have few exhaust video on my channel if you want to check it out.)

[@bukkuk5949]

MOPAR or no CAR ...

[@Midwest..]

No car 😎👍

[@sk9zero808]

MORECAR NOPAR

[@4ever4ward_14]

All others cars are exs when you have a Lexus

[@qnunyuh8417]

the scat pack is the best bang for the buck, but ride quality is also better in the gsf ,reliability, resale is better and insurance loss is better and because of limited production it's a car that you literally wont see every day, even if I didnt work across the street from a dodge dealership ,I'd definitely see more of those then gsfs and it's only dated if you're a car reviewer or an automotive journalist or maybe some who leases new cars every 2 to 4 years ,that being said between the 2 cars I still think its be a hard toss up

[@dwnshft]

Yeah the Lexus is the more all around car, the Dodge is just the cheapest way to do burnouts and take your kids to school hhaha

[@naturalTJ]

As a woman, I soooo enjoy these videos. The V8 is way too much power for me, but when I see the GSF, it’s a head turner but how often do we see them. I own a F sport black, red interior and I freakin love that car.

[@YSOFFCER]

Totally agree with you, Lexus F cars are rare in general. I own a RC-F and the most F cars I see on the road are IS-F and sometimes RC-F. Only seen 2 GS-F on the road since I got my RC-F. GS-F are so rare and unique.

[@smokedog7657]

My 2015 RC-F was 75k new FF 5 years and it is worth $45k (actual true car offer)

[@SoulfulHouseMafia]

I just purchased a 2020 Scat Pack Charger Widebody, talk about a high performance bargain! The extra $6k is mote then worth it for the widebody, 6 piston Brembo's 305/35/20 tires on 20x11 wide wheels with adjustable suspension and active exhaust. Also the new Widebody's are underrated from the factory and pushing almost 505hp. Get a hold of one of the new Widebodies if you can and you'll agree. Great review but for the value the Charger takes it in all areas.

[@dwnshft]

oh yeah you're totally right the Charger is all about performance value per dollar and on top of that the widebody looks badass

[@acrspeed]

Great video! While it is an unexpected comparison, these are similar because they're the last sedans on the market that still have character, everything else (especially the German stuff) is all overly techy and isolated, to the point where they aren't fun to drive anymore. They start to synthesize parts of the driving experience. These two are still refreshingly honest, and still give you a genuine connection to the road. Also, a quick point- the audio balance could be improved. The music was a bit too loud, and you were drowned out by it in the video.

[@dwnshft]

acrspeed thanks for watching! Yeah I’ll work on the music balance

[@wiki873]

You’re comparing a Rolex with a Casio

[@dwnshft]

Rodney Fernandez 😂👌

[@wallstreetgambler9151]

the problem is you will be on your 4th charger before the GFS breaks down. i have an ES 350. i must say that car is a tank. i have 190k miles on and drives like its supposed to.

[@DesertStateInEU]

the problem is you have no idea what you're talking about. By the time the GSF reaches that mileage the amount you'll spend on it could've bought you another car. Meanwhile the Charger will be doing just fine with way less maintenance cost.

[@carlmurray4840]

If FCA just made quality, reliable products with their vehicles. While keeping the same vision (392, hellcat, redeye everything) they would hands down be the best automotive company in America.

[@alfredoserralles5396]

Good point all what they need is better reliability...

[@xrmerkur]

I was well entertained. thank you 🏁

[@jacobsmithSD760]

Reading through the comments is funny, everyone that has a 392 says 392 everyone that’s says the Lexus doesn’t have one and drives a ricer 5-8k pos, go hope in one of these newer dodges y’all bringing up the past from like 2005-2010 when reliability was an issue dodge has done nothing but good stuff since then, y’all mock it without trying it lol.

[@djabsolute6117]

well said. i love my 392. cheap to maintain and parts are readily available unlike the lexus.

[@bwill357]

The 392 is the best option if you just want a fast sedan with a v8 and not break the bank, those cars are fairly reliable until you start throwing power at it....The Lexus will age better and it’s a more sophisticated vehicle, the CFO doesn’t want to look like dukes of hazard when he shows up at the office, Bluetooth pretty much almost makes the infotainment controls irrelevant, that being said the GSF is wayy over priced brand new...get it used, low miles examples are in the high 30’s to mid 40’s

[@brandoM78]

Try 56k used for a 2017 34k miles .. still getting one though.

[@mrp4235]

I own a BMW GT 5 series, LEXUS GX, LEXUS 300h, and a GS Fsport......by far, the GS is my favorite car. And the only flaw with this model shown, those seats...have to go for red...that’s what I have-just turns it into a different feel all together...keep the doggie dart.

[@dwnshft]

Lexus red interiors are some of the only red interiors i like cuz they're a darker almost burgundy

[@mrp4235]

@@dwnshft yes!....it just shines. I have it in my GS...man...ppl go crazy over it. U have good taste.

[@123PSPs]

That dodge won't be worth anything in 10 years the GSF will still be worth 40k+

[@dwnshft]

💯

[@dipsetny9291]

I have a 2021 RC300 No F Sport. I’m not super crazy about power and people I know who have Scat Packs chargers or challengers seem to always have problems or issues with their cars. What good is it to have a car with all that horsepower and half if not most of it’s life it spends in the shop.

[@jmhellison]

Would love the GSF, but it's $85,000, something most people can't afford. I'll take the Charger

[@ahmedaltaf9345]

If you wait another year the price will reduce to high 30s since they discontinued it. The used car price will go way down because nobody wants a sedan sports car. Right now they are surfing mid 40s.

[@fredmagic09]

A GSF can be had for $45,000

[@jmhellison]

@@ahmedaltaf9345 If it becomes cheap enough, I'd buy one then go to RR Racing to supercharge it

[@ahmedaltaf9345]

jmhellison that’s so sick dude. I’m in talks to get a is350 and I want to get the rracing tune and supercharger

[@MartinofVegas]

@@ahmedaltaf9345 I do and millions of other men. Prefer them over coupes all day

[@humblegrayman7651]

Any Dodge performance car nowadays the insurance is going to be through the roof because people don’t know how to drive them and they’re getting stolen like crazy

[@dailydose8035]

You could take 40k and turn that scat pack into a 4 digit horsepower monster. Could take 20k and make it beat hellcats and surely that Lexus, all while having spent less.

[@carlmurray4840]

And it will be broken down atleast once a month forever and you will spend even more money.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@carlmurray4840 well the scats not a glorified rwd Camry like the gsf is so there's no one rolling 4 digit numbers with them. Many who buy scats either show them off or build them since that's what people mostly use them for vs the GSF being a nice luxury car but noting much else other than just being another "ok"Lexus like every other Lexus with people not bothering to do much of anything with them other than being praised for "reliability"like that's anything special when they can just get a ISF with a 5.0 just like the gsf for much cheaper than both cars(or the same for the scat)without wasting any extra money on a gsf or rcf.

[@RedmanLS3]

As a muscle lover....Lexus GSF/RCF for me all day every dayy!!!

[@GudInformation]

I switched from BMW and got a Lexus GS 350 AWD Ultra Luxury Package. No way I'm going back to the German game of every six months something breaks and it's $1000 to fix it. The dodge is going to break down too, so in the long run, the Lex will hold its value because it is rare and dependable, the Dodge will need repairs and eventually totaled or too costly to fix. The Lex is going to live for 30 years compared to 10 years with the shit pack on that dodge.

[@jayy5159]

Notice how all the Scatpack Slander is coming from people who’ve never driven either car and only really experienced the dodge line of cars thru the Internet. Spend 3 years wit a scat pack and you’ll honestly love it.

[@dwnshft]

Jayy I don’t doubt it

[@robertwilson6682]

Can the Charger survive 10 years non stop as a daily driver, that won't leave you stranded on the side of the road after 200,000 miles? Will it work properly even after a good solid maintenance routine history? Or will the engine crumble under it's usage as it withers away? Will it need minor replacements that become major down the line? It's beautiful car for very different reasons than the GS-F, I want both of them and I wonder is the charger worth it?

[@MM_45]

A friend from work has a scatpack with about 100,000 miles without any major issues besides the AC But he doesn’t drive it as hard as other people do. It all depends on how you treat it and that you keep up with regular maintenance I am going to buy a hellcat after I finish paying off my E class and selling it.

[@Midwest..]

GSF should hit at least 300,000 with no major issue 😎👍🤞

[@dervthebeast5130]

Vientiane Nevada lmaooo

[@Midwest..]

@@dervthebeast5130 Why you think Lexus/Toyota is #1 most reliable car for the pass 11 year in a row? 😂 have you ever own Toyota or Lexus we current own Lexus IS350, ES350, NX200T and Toyota Tundra 👍

[@dervthebeast5130]

Vientiane Nevada I have owned multiple Lexus models including the RCF, but the price for that interior I couldn’t do it anymore. Now I own an RS7 real power and real luxury, my old RCF can’t compare.

[@SpaceZeee]

The scat pack will be ready for the junker at 100k Meanwhile the Lexus will barely be broken into.

[@Zelow.]

I don't believe the GSF is worth it for 90k but in the used market it becomes a very easy choice. $45-50k for a GSF under 50k miles is a steal. I will say if performance is all you care about then you'll probably have a lot more aftermarket on the Scat but in terms of rarity, luxury and reliability the Lexus is a great car. Not to mention they're actually appreciating in value right now so you're practically making money by purchasing one.

[@dwnshft]

Lexus>

[@Halopunk90]

Looking at one in 2024 70k miles for 40k. Lexus holds its value if you buy used.

[@dwnshft]

Special thanks to my Patrons for their support of the channel!

[@therednsx]

The Lexus GS F is not the best buy on paper compared to the Charger Scat Pack. But after 10 years of ownership you'd seriously regret the Dodge or to buy one used. The trick here was to buy the GS F used and the Charger new. This way you get to drive the Charger and selling it a low hit on depreciation while allowing the nearly bulletproof Lexus time to depreciation down to what you paid for the Charger. Hint: the Lexus is 200k (minimum) mile car and in the reliability side of thing the Dodge isn't even in the top 10. Just to clear I love the Charger and it's sibling Challenger and the way they both drive. But never ever really worrying about the mechanicals of your ride is priceless and this is where the GS F shines. You just put gas in it and go! My long term experience with the Toyota/Lexus products have been easy to live with very minor issues if any and mostly within the realm of regular maintenance.

[@SIDVENOM]

Who has better reliable and always up to date technology when it comes down to Luxury sport sedans is it Lexus, Acura, Infinity, Audi, BMW or Mercedes.

[@elir.torres8642]

2002 gs430 Tuned. 389Hp and 382 ft pounds of Torque. Can't even find a proper v8 these days much less used.

[@longgrayline8055]

Just realize that the Dodge will be up on blocks from major failures when the Lexus is just getting warmed up. They named it Dodge for a reason…dodge them…

[@DrBrainrape]

My Integra GSR was more visceral to drive than my 17 scat pack challenger 7AT,

[@darkodin2007]

7at....? Yeah you don't know what your talking about.

[@DrBrainrape]

@@darkodin2007 oops 8AT or whatever automatic that was. The GSR just felt more fun because it was a stick shift and had a lighter better chassis

[@darkodin2007]

@@DrBrainrape now THAT I will agree with. The GSR was fun to drive like a go cart. It won't feel light but my Widebody HC handles soooooo much better then my charger SP ever thought about doing.

[@juricakovac5667]

I like a lot these lexus F cars like the GSF and RCF, the exterior and interior are nice IMO, yeah shure the infotainment is last gen compared to other manufacturers and dangerous to use while driving but that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, I like how it is pushed back in the dash also hard buttons for the climate control are another plus for me unlike lets say the new audis, I hate those screens with a passion How is the Mark levinson sound system? Is it better or worse compared to i.e. B&W? Personally I would buy this car used Sad to see this car go, hopefully in the years to come lexus comes up with another one

[@dwnshft]

Great questions and comments - The Mark Levinson system BANGS. I think the HArmon KArdon system in BMWs is decent and they'd be pretty close, but no compliants with the mark Levinson. Yeah a used GSF, especially for a family man, is the sweet spot. Take some depreciation off and you have a load of fun for a fraction of the money. PLus the reliability. I agree the infotainment isnt THAT big a deal for me as long as i can change song and volume easily

[@kutmastaben]

Comparing the ML system in my GS to my bro's B&O in his Audi...the ML kills it. It's so well balanced and audio is staged so well. Amazing.

[@03jojo78]

Next year Lexus might come out with a IS model with the same 5.0l engine

[@dwnshft]

03 Jojo I would cry. But I don’t have a lot of eggs in that basket

[@wanyelewis9667]

The Mark Levinson sound system is widely considered to be the finest car audio unit on the market.

[@koltc4598]

10 years, the lexus will still be pulling hard. BUT the dodge, 10 years every pull will cost you a quart of oil.

[@dwnshft]

lolololololololol

[@Pokemon452240]

Great comparison, never thought about it but it makes sense

[@dwnshft]

thanks!

[@jlau7017]

What's funny is that I almost sold my GS350 FSport for the Dodge Challenger for a lot of reasons you listed in your video. The interior was what killed it for me. Regarding the GSF, it is literally the same car as the GS350 F Sport with a V8. For a everyday driver, I see absolutely no problem with that. Not sure if I'll buy one new, but I'm waiting for the 2018 to used to inch closer to $40k. GSF would be a great used car.

[@ChiCity0186]

Those seats are not the same

[@jlau7017]

@@ChiCity0186 seats and alcantara leather interior are different. Rest is the same. Still a great car. V6 to V8. Worthwhile as a used…if you can find it now.

[@ChiCity0186]

@@jlau7017 I just sold my trackhawk for 15k more than what I paid for it so I bought the 350 fsport...speed isn't everything, Lexus is pure quality!

[@jlau7017]

@@ChiCity0186 100%. It’s why I want it. Enjoy.

[@aidanbeatzaidan7666]

I love mopar I have always been a mopar guy but I also love Lexus

[@Supertrooper432]

Turn down the music a little.

[@greebuh]

I'll never get rid of my ISF. It's rips, it's clean AF and it's hella reliable. And when you go FBO, it sounds phenomenal.

[@rogeradams8363]

Comparing a dodge to a kexus is like comparing soda to wine. You just don't do it

[@jiaweichen9296]

with 85k you can get a hellcat widebody fully loaded or a c63s or a M3 or a RS5 or a E53 or M550i or Audi S7. Lexus is a good entry level luxury brand. But I can't see any reason to put 85k into a aged lexus mid size sport sedan with only 467hp.

[@CasualSpec]

It makes even less sense once youre aware that an older ISF still exists and arent relatively that expensive. I mean if youre buying an F, arent you in it for the numbers? I Usually see the ISF beat out the other Fs just because its much lighter. Same size Engine, just doesnt have the current tech that Lexus likes to NOT put in their cars.

[@TomTheCat.]

Soon enough those European vehicles would lose soo much value because of there money pit problems and also won’t last decades unlike Lexus.

[@jiaweichen9296]

Tom The Cat if you have 85k for a performance sedan, you won't care about depreciation that much. If you really think lexus last forever with no trade off, think about why their v8 only produce 467hp in 2020 when mercedes have make a 500hp V8 at 2012. Lexus make good daily vehicle, but their performance car are just not there. There are reasons why you barely see any rcf or gsf on road.

[@TomTheCat.]

陈嘉伟 That’s because Lexus spends times making sure they’re vehicles are perfect before they roll of the assembly line which is why they are confident with there selling price. As you can see the ISF is still expensive for how old It is. While Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche etc are already known for performance but don’t have reliability in them which is why people would lease it for 3 then set it free. As soon as that warranty is gone you’re technically fucked. Lexus barely got into performance but give it time it would be out there with the rest.

[@jiaweichen9296]

Tom The Cat ISF is holding up because it’s small and fun to drive with a V8 and rare. not because it’s a Lexus. Look into how GSF and RCF hold up and sells volumes each year. The F is just not a good buy overall.

[@leonard984]

I picked up a 2020 GS F ... putting it up ... just got it since they are doing away with the GS line and I wanted to just have one....It's a great car!! I see those Dodge cars everywhere. I like how they sound and look, but dang... talk about saturation.

[@dwnshft]

💯

[@AHoodie23]

I hate the fact that Lexus isn't going to make anymore GS-F's

[@Mike.3GS]

Nafee Jumriyani ay atleast the got that is500 coming out but the only thing is the is models be a lil small.

[@dwnshft]

Yeah it’s a shame they killed off the ISF and the GSF... huge bummer

[@03jojo78]

ツ_Riftz it's going to be like the old ISF hopefully it's a lil more sporty than the GSF

[@Midwest..]

That's why price in used ISF, RCF, GSF went up 😎👍

[@frayanthony]

It's 2023 and a 2016 lexus gsf is 55k+ all it need is regular oil change it will never leave you on the side of the road. Resale value holds up better then Mercedes or Bmw.

[@grandmastagrimm8773]

Do you think it’s worth it at that price ?

[@frayanthony]

@@grandmastagrimm8773 100%

[@Blackpanther_risen]

Both great family sport sedans but prefer the GSF due to better build quality, reliability better interior quality & dependability

[@chuckdiego719]

I had a scat pac for one year and loved that car. Fun weather your driving fast or slow👍🏻. Good review

[@unknownunknowns]

One thing I have generally noticed about screaming cars is that they are more maintenance prone, at least from what I have seen. More revving at a constant speed means more wear and tear. We see that, for example, since Ferrari engines that scream are in the shop more than lower sounding American muscle cars. I was giving an extreme example just to illustrate a point.

[@dwnshft]

Stefan Unson I can see ytour point

[@n.4847]

It should be chrysler srt not charger srt

[@vanzantuh]

Comparing a Dodge with a Lexus is like comparing a brick with a goldbar and the Dodge ain't the goldbar.

[@dwnshft]

Hahaha right. The focus of this video was to demonstrate the performance per dollar you can get from the US but if you want any type of refinement you’ll have to pony up the 💰

[@lexusrcflover9175]

Both fast and gorgeous sedans just all about preference.We all know the Lexus is more reliable but honestly I hear the SRT cars are pretty long lasting and make tons of torque.Id choose a Lexus RCf over both cuz I love that car but believe it or not if I had to pick a sedan I'd go with the charger it's just more powerful and looks meaner.

[@cb2536]

Used with 75k mi you can get either one for 40-45k now.

[@zoryb6933]

If spend 85k I’d get a hellcat or CTS V. Ain’t no way in hell I’m spending that much and it’s not even boosted 😂

[@4ever4ward_14]

It’s a bad new car but the best used car hands down

[@Icanchange1200]

Paid 43G for a 2019 Scat well worth every penny.

[@luutran9455]

Charger obviously has more performance and the interior has the edge in my opinion, but the thing is I feel like I’m still not thinking the Lexus is a muscle car. I have an is300 and all I can say about Lexus’s line up is a sporty sedan type beat. They keep their value very well and the car is still really nice. Imagine what you see more a charger or a Lexus GS. I’m picking the charger but I still know the Lexus is a great reliable car.

[@rafaelgrullon11]

I’ll still take the GSF 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dwnshft]

R. G. Same