Stop Shipping Siblings You Freaks (Glass of Water)

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[@FatherIimaginedyoutaller]

Maybe the gay princesses were the friends we made along the way

[@nmtltlz]

This was so perfectly placed-

[@pablodonner5213]

Give this person all the likes

[@EveryDayALittleDeath]

So my friends are gay princesses? Yeah, that checks out.

[@alucardsantradideus267]

@@EveryDayALittleDeath Maybe the incestous siblings were the gay princesses we made along the friends.

[@tomsky4751]

*GOD DAMN IT I KNEW THAT GIRL’S FRIENDSHIP SPEECHES WERE GONNA KILL ME ONE DAY!* (I had to make that yugioh abridged reference)

[@Trixster009]

Speaking as a bisexual, I dont even see how someone came to the conclusion that Anna and Elsa are gay based on them being nervous around each other. Especially Anna! The story made it clear that she hadn't seen her sister for YEARS! Of course she'd be nervous around Elsa. I would be too. If I had to talk to someone who isolated herself from me for a reasons unknown, I'd be extremely nervous too. I dont know what's going to set her off and shut me out again. Lee should have just said something concrete like no.

[@gruffen4]

I was going to make this point. Who wouldn't be awkward talking to someone you dont really know, let alone them shutting themselves away from and making sure you've interacted very little?

[@geminide4772]

Exactly, does everyone nervous and awkward at family reunions automatically have incestuous fantasies? No. It's like they picked a goal they wanted (incest) and tore down whatever they had to do get there.

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

From what I've seen, Elsanna shippers really reach for reasons to say it's canon, so even removing that element wouldn't stop them. I know shippers do this anyway, but the couple I came across were just taking every. single. thing that they said and over-analysing it. I forget the exact wording as it was so long ago, but I remember somebody commenting on a Frozen video like: "They both sighed at the smell of chocolate. Chocolate is a symbol of love and the fact they said it in unison in an almost orgasmic tone means they share feelings of love for each other." and it was then I realised that the plot didn't matter and some shippers will just do whatever they can to justify their gross fantasy about fictional characters.

[@rocksolid1954]

Thing that was said: better left unsaid Thing that should have been said: uh, no. Did you actually watch the movie?

[@nahte123456]

Because it's directly the same thing as Anna and Hans. Nothing is odd on it's own, it's comparing it to Hans that people started drawing weird conclusions.

[@mehirohouseki]

The thing about the awkward dialogue with Hans and Elsa isn't that Anna babbles around people she finds attractive, but rather she is bad at taking to strangers and her sister is a stranger to her. I don't understand how people can seriously use that as evidence that the writers are supporting incest 🤦

[@ColaLoser]

Like she's been fucking isolated in the castle and hasn't spoken to her sister in years. She wants to make a good impression on Elsa and the thing with Hans is that she's, again, never seen a guy that wasn't a servant or her father. Like what the fuck people!

[@nahte123456]

For one thing Anna doesn't act that way with Keistoff or the seller guy

[@varianmetcalf8220]

Anna is just scared around Elsa because she hasnt seen here for years and shes awkward around hand because she likes him. With kristoff this doesnt happen because shes trying to sound confident so he will help her.

[@chloenieuwsma4846]

Or well I dunno you can't compliment your sibling over something. Sheesh the people who ship this are disgusting

[@Vearru]

It’s not even that she’s bad at talking to strangers. With Hans she thought he could be her “true love” and she didn’t want to screw it up. And with Elsa she finally had a chance to potentially rebuild her relationship with Elsa that she missed so much, and she didn’t want to screw it up. It’s not about talking to strangers, it’s about not wanting to screw up relationships that she sees as valuable to her. She has no problem talking to Oaken or Kristoff who are also strangers.

[@Spectra651]

Considering that the powerful familial love between Anna and Elsa was meant to *subvert* the idea that romantic love is the only kind of love that can exist between two people, and this was one of the most blatantly spelled-out themes in the entire movie, it baffles me that so many people missed the point entirely.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Its ironic as hell... Like Elsa having a partner, since 2013 they make Elsa single to make her independent and focus on her power and her Sister (a pretty feminist idea) and to many ppl her Sexuality and for that her possible partner being a man or a woman became a kind of Treasure Hunt. Its hiliarious and frustrating.

[@basilnottheherb]

"public schools dont let students read without dripping in symbolism" Thank you! Been feeling that one for years.

[@gcastudio]

Lily's really good at expressing the emotions of people who've suffered through America's bs

[@justsomedudete3320]

@@gcastudio I'm from Brazil.... The suffering is global, mate

[@ColaLoser]

When reading "The Great Gatsby", I was yelled at for not believing that EVERY GODDAMN TIME the color GREEN showed up it was supposed to symbolize the American Dream. Like, I think the fuck not bitch.

[@ColaLoser]

@@justsomedudete3320 That shit is 100% global

[@justsomedudete3320]

@@ColaLoser oh my God! I read this book in my school and my teacher did the exact same thing!!! Like.... Wt?!?!?

[@what0080]

People actually thought The Last Jedi was about Rey’s sexual awakening? Actual, REAL PEOPLE think that?!

[@Lily_Orchard]

Reylos are obsessed with the idea that everything in those movies is about Rey's sexual awakening. They're crazy

[@garrettcarter5622]

@@Lily_Orchard All because Rian wanting a throwaway, shirtless scene for the LOLZ. Cause sexual harassment at the woman's expense is funny in 2017, apparently.

[@Nick-wi3kd]

Does everything have to have a sexual or growing up meaning behind it? Can it not just be a story?

[@haleywalker1640]

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." --Sigmund Freud (maybe)

[@Labinzel]

Good quote but Sigmund Freud was a creepy asshole who theorized that all young boys had sexual feelings for their mother (and vice-versa for girls)

[@7OwlsWithALaptop]

@@Labinzel that's the joke, Freud would never say that a cigar is just a cigar

[@commentersilrem3285]

@@Labinzel Oh and to add onto that According to QUACKS 'conversion therapists' the Anti-LGBT Right, and demonization of Homosexuality' By the Southern Poverty Law Center "But it was Sigmund Freud, the father of psychoanalysis, whose ideas about homosexuality, developed in the first decades of the 20th century, formed the basis of what most conversion therapists today believe. Although Freud did not demonize gay people and doubted that sexual orientation could be changed, he did see homosexuality in both men and women as a form of arrested psychosexual development"Page 7 Freudian Phycology is so stupid and no I don't care that its a joke Im bored.

[@haleywalker1640]

@@Labinzel Yeah, I'm aware. And it gets worse when you find out that he apparently pulled the Oedipus Complex theory out of his ass to explain away the trauma of some female clients were experiencing because their own fathers were sexually abusing them. He could have spoken up and outed the abusers, but decided he liked getting paid more so he more or less said that the girls wanted to have sex with their fathers. And I didn't know about the homosexuality thing that Commenter Silrem brought up, but damn, that just shows that he is literally the worst. I only quoted it because I felt it made sense since the point of the video is that people sometimes read too much into things, but I'm not sure if he actually even said it; for all I know, it could be like the "If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best." quote that everyone claims Marilyn Monroe said but have provided no evidence of, and considering what a shit person he was I kind of don't want it to be from him.

[@a.l.i.e.n.c.o.d.e.]

"Sometimes a cigar is a penis. Actually, it's always a penis." Sigmund Freud (just as likely if we're being honest)

[@Blank_Space1622]

Not gonna lie, I always thought that people were projecting too much onto Elsa. Though her character did speak to me a little when it came to family. I got a sister that likes to isolate herself for months and I try to break her walls but she just won't give in

[@randomcomment1286]

I hope you get through to your sister one day

[@Blank_Space1622]

@@randomcomment1286 thank you

[@colbaltmind5696]

Your point is exact. Its totally fine to relate to characters like Elsa but the way that some people project onto her and "kin" her is such a parasocial and unhealthy coping mechanism bc they have no way to fix their issues and find it easier to project onto Elsa and wallow in their own issues and treat that like some quirk rather than a psychological issue that needs fixing. You pretty much nailed it with your point, and I applaud you.

[@colbaltmind5696]

@@qavainnd is it common for people to have relationships like Elsa and Anna in terms of romance? No, because they're sisters and that would be incest. In terms of sibling and platonic, yes, because a lot of relationships, especially siblings with mental illnesses like Elsa's anxiety, and younger siblings tend to not understand which can create a rift between a relationship like that. It is common for people to have a sibling or platonic relationship like Elsa and Anna, but not romantic.

[@elizabethb4168]

Elsa has big anxiety, "Let it Go" is her way of finally accepting herself but she immediately reverts back to self hatred and anxiety when she finds out about her mistake. Elsa needed "Let it Go" to figure out what she can do and fully grasp her powers, but she needed the rest of the story to fully come to terms with herself and find her place within her society without hurting others or herself. It was a two-step process but a lot of people only seem to focus on the first step. Idk if any of that makes sense.

[@StargazerAeons]

THANK YOU SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS IT

[@geminide4772]

She overcompensated too, it's a natural reaction when you're unsure of yourself and want to break a habit; leave one extreme by going to the other. She started with "People will think I'm a monster and I have to control myself for them" and immediately jumped to "I don't even need people".

[@orangeslash1667]

​@@geminide4772 Elsa was originally going to be a villain.

[@tired9351]

the ship has always made me super uncomfortable. the first movie came out when I was a little kid, and was extremely relatable to me, and helpful, because I was literally experiencing the same thing with my older brother. my parents were getting divorced, my brother had shut himself up with his own demons unbeknownst to me, and I was left in the dark about someone who had been my best friend for years. it sucked, a lot, and anna was the princess I needed. anna was angry at elsa, and fiery, and wanted love in her life, whether that be FAMILIAL love from her sister, or the romantic kind. but at the end, they found each other again, and were able to be a family, even when their parents were gone. I really, really needed that hopeful, happy ending when I was a kid. and a bunch of adults trying to insert their incest kink into a kids movie just, really salts my melon.

[@kitkat-cb2oo]

E

[@mr.incognitoyt2235]

Man, I just wanna say, I hope you're doing better now, and hopefully your brother does too.

[@d-v1199]

Sorry but 'salts my melons' should be a new hilarious idiom XD

[@lilmisssunshine7173]

I... did not realize that people actually... shipped Anna and Elsa... to that degree... thanks a bunch, Lily! I just love knowing information that will change the way I look at these specific characters for the rest of my life!

[@bunnygirl3675]

Lol

[@pirateguy3521]

Some people are fucking gross

[@s.o.q2914]

Darkside of the internet

[@psgamer-il2pt]

I thought it was just porn i guess its not

[@ahstiasummers5583]

This is actually news to me, people thinking Frozen was a 'coming out' story. I saw the movie as just any other that Disney makes. A kid's movie with lots of good songs to draw cheers, portraying simple themes of valuing family and being true to yourself, something/someone preventing the protagonist from being herself that she must overcome, a cheesy romance sub-plot, and a happily ever after in the end. The main differences was that there was no obvious powerful/evil villain and the thing that saved the princess in the end wasn't true love's kiss.

[@redhakii5141]

The ending was a true love's kiss. Bit it worked more like a sibling love that saved anna.

[@WizardLizzard]

Elsanna's are also weirdly antagonistic towards other ships? People are shipping Elsa with Honeymaren from the sequel these days and I've seen multiple elsanna's making art where Anna attacks her in some way, like a territorial psycho. I mean, I guess that would be your take on Anna's character if you view Frozen through the cursed ship lense. God I'm so tired

[@iZ3C0LD7]

@@DT-yw4ob dang fr tho?

[@iZ3C0LD7]

Shipping both Elsamaren and Elsanna makes me think that both are somehow equally cursed lol

[@Sapphireblue220]

I always thought it was weird that people though it was a gay coming out story. I never saw this. I always saw a scared child who has been given nothing but fear. And when she’s shown hey. No need to be afraid. It will be ok. She doesn’t know what to do.That and it just seems like a sweet story about two siblings who loves each other’s trying to reconnect after years of not being able to interact. And it was cute. And I loved it. I loved watching Anna try to help her sister and bring her home so they could be a family again. And It was just so cute. I’ve also found it gross and disturbing to ship Anna with Elsa. They are siblings that’s just gross. Ew. Just ew. Someone though my brother and I were dating and I almost hurled. He’s my brother. Ew. Also happy Easter, Passover, or if you don’t celebrate those, happy Sunday.

[@alexgrim5165]

Mood!!

[@turtledink5675]

Tbh I'm very much in favor of reading Elsa's journey as a coming out story, but believing that Elsa and Anna are an item is more than disgusting

[@fizzydizzystudios4768]

The title alone makes me alright with that fact that we'll be suffering hearing about this ship that I had no idea about until last week. Is another reason it exists have to do with the fact that canon lesbian couples are so few and far between, at least in 2013, that people took what is obviously an adorable sister-relationship, turned it into a gay metaphor and settled for that? Just curious

[@chey1863]

I appreciate you Lily for wanting gay characters but not forcing them to happen through metaphors

[@Lily_Orchard]

Metaphors are for the weak

[@thelunardove1008]

Honestly, I saw Elsa's powers more be more a metaphor/application to disability more than an LGBT coming out story. I always saw that Anna saw Elsa's unique powers like magic and after the incident, Elsa feels that acting 'normal' is for the best but it causes her anguish. It was only when Anna fully accepted Elsa (in turn, sacrificing herself), Elsa could truly let it go and be truly like her self again. At least, that's my idea.

[@marblesbunny]

Lily: I just want gay princesses falling in love and having a wholesome love story. Frozen Fandom: We got some right here! Lily: *no you fucking don’t*

[@ghostgirl3630]

Thank you lily for posting content. Hope you had a great day

[@notgreatgale]

the day lgbt relationships are portrayed as bluntly as straight relationships are in media that isn't explicitly about lgbt romance is... the day yandere simulator is completed, at least, that's what it looks like :( it makes me Suffer endlessly, but just saying, videos like this make the pain just a bit dimmer!! it's actually quite validating, knowing that i'm not alone in these thoughts... thanks for m all ing great at content as always lily, and happy easter!!

[@SplatterPaintMLPv6803noC]

Haha... YanSim getting completed...

[@PikaPenny17]

@@SplatterPaintMLPv6803noC No. When Osana is finished, not when the game itself releases. That's way later.

[@chimken9881]

Lily: Do you want cursed ships? Ad: It's not just ships. Me: 👀

[@pokehunterhd]

Was the ad about the kind of ships this video is about?

[@shadowknight3035]

Hey so about the gay princesses.. Are they here? Or were the gay princesses in us all along?

[@zoeglass]

To play devil's advocate a little, Elsa could be worried that her sexuality would hurt Ana's reputation. When I tried to come out to my parents, they told me it would reflect poorly on them and they wouldn't be allowed to hold leadership positions in the church. They also said I'd have to be closeted around my younger cousins and if I dated a girl, I wouldn't be allowed to even come to the gatherings they were at. Not saying I believe the metaphor, but it's applicable to me.

[@yellowmrslzlzshfksj]

It feels ironic that, at the time I watched Frozen, I was pleased with the decision to *not* go for the Prince Kiss as their act of true love, as a nice subversion of the 'oh no here comes the old trope' worry - and then people saw it as a romantic form of true love anyways.

[@j.a.ogrady7783]

Lily re-evaluating her whole career in much horror is not something I thought I'd find so humorous.. Wait, does that make me sadist? Now you have me worrying now Lily. Anyway fantastic video as usual, hope things are improving for you.

[@gamelover260]

I always though it was because for some reason whenever people show any srot of emotion towards eatchother, fans automatically think that means they should be in a relationship. Like when people thought Cap and Bucky should be a thing in MCU or tons of others i cant think of just because they are really close, doesnt mean they are a thing. I swaer, Fandoms forget platonic love can be a thing.

[@felipe_drawmania1604]

Raw romance is popular,Is most likely linked to some sort of phisicological attraction.

[@chaerie.faerie]

as a stucky/stuckony/stony shipper, it’s my number one pet peeve when people think their ship is the ONLY ship that can exist. and as an asexual, it’s an even further pet peeve when people make everything romantic. 🙃

[@themythicalmaroonman6343]

Wait people ship incest? ACTUAL PEOPLE SHIP THIS? Dang humans are weird.

[@annawilliams8495]

Just saying, as a budding writer myself, you're so inspiring. I don't see people like you very often, willing to rip apart the "norm" and call out the literal insanity audiences have sometimes. Keep being my literature queen while I binge the rest of your channel, Lily.

[@goneflyshing9882]

I remember this movie looking a lot better than it does :(

[@juicyfruit3030]

That's because all of the songs kept on beating you with a bat and distracted you from whats actually going on

[@felipe_drawmania1604]

@@juicyfruit3030 I still think the movie has It's own entertainment value(Though that's me).

[@KirbyFanDude]

It's just a bit of a fixer upper...

[@juicyfruit3030]

@@KirbyFanDude Its got a few flaws

[@roxxmaru]

it's from 2013 so uh... probably why also frozen 2 looks photo realistic in scenery shots

[@TheMAM]

I used to think Elsanna was a thing simply for the 'fanart', but people actually try to justify its canonicity...?

[@haleyroberts7204]

When I first saw this movie I adored it. All of the “metaphors” went completely over my head, thank god. I was very young when this movie released and it reminded me a lot of me and my older sister at the time. Both trapped in the castle with her depression and my anxiety and aggression the door between us. Now that me and my sister are older we’ve worked it out and are on good terms I love this movie even more.

[@fairyblights2877]

the pure joy i felt when i saw this on my youtube page

[@midlyte7903]

Oh my god, my dog's name is cursed. I was little when I named her Elnna as to reference Elsanna that I see in my KZbin recommendations. I never ever took it as a ship at that time. I thought it was sort of name mixing like I thought of a boy name for a dog Kristolaf. I never thought incest ship existed at the time, now I know.

[@Goldenevil91]

Honestly the amount things off about how we are educated to interact with text seems to be endless pit. We don't learn how to identify what makes stories what they are. And like Lily said we are told to look for intentional metaphors and symbolism found where there weren't even meant. It became very bad mix with craving for stories about and for LGBTQ+...Elsa and Anna being shipped the way they are is probably best example of cursed results.

[@danikahicks2210]

Lily! *you were so close!* "You want cursed ships? Because that is how you get a Flying Dutchman." So close...

[@jayfranco2383]

Elsa's whole story is to learn self Love while Anna Learns to reconnect and understand true Relationship in her Love Life between Hans/Christoff

[@roberthatton454]

This makes me very uncomfortable. And the fact that people believed this and rooted for this STRONGLY makes me very concerned.

[@grappyday5438]

When I was watching Frozen 2 I went to my friends I saw it with “why do Elsa and Anna act more like a couple than Anna and Kristoff lol?” But I saw it in more of a “wtf Disney” way than a “THEY’RE TOGETHER” kinda way. When I heard people shipped them for real not as a joke I was just so weirded out. And I still am...

[@pedmonds2011]

Honestly, Lily you’re one of my favorite creators. You’re not afraid point out a lot bad takes on these good films. I’ve learned a lot about writing and story telling and just wanted say, thank you.

[@dekucake4395]

I will point out that I think Let it Go *was* supposed to be a power ballad of sorts, but only from Elsa's perspective as she believes she can finally express herself without the fear of hurting everyone with her magic, not realizing that that is exactly what she is doing by running away, until Anna comes in to give her a reality check

[@Shining-ou7bo]

I really enjoyed Frozen when it came out and the one thing after all these years that really ruined it for me (besides the mass overproduction) was how the fans really tried to make frozen more than it was. Just as lily says with the Elsa-Anna ship or the lgbt representation the fans of both those communities either projected really hard or just based it off the awkward dialogue between Elsa and Anna. The thing is only older people would see or try to project these implications onto this movie while the children that watched this at the time(like myself) are only going to see the movie for what it literally was: the first Disney movie based on familial love saving the day and Elsa and Anna being able to depend on one another after their parents death and Elsa’s own personal goal of overcoming her fear for herself after hurting her sister. That was what made frozen great at the time besides the music and animation. There was also the incident of fans who really wanted Elsa to be gay so they could have Elsa with a girlfriend in the next movie who often threatened the creator if they didn’t get it, which just further discouraged lgbt representation in Disney.

[@Sasscat58]

8:15 IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS! If it’s a gay story then it implies Elsa and Anna were uh experimenting at night and then Elsa hurts and traumatizes her sister as a result... yikes

[@laughingjack85]

Holy damn. So that's why I've heard around about non neurotypical people having the same type of affinity with Elsa. I was diagnosed with aspergers when I was young and I struggled a lot with it. And I think this video made me realize recently the reason she's one of my favorite Disney characters is because she exhibited many traits of mine when I was growing up. Self loathing, feeling isolated and out of place, concealing a lot of who I was. This makes sense to me.

[@geminide4772]

God, why are there so many incest ships anyway? I'm convinced these all must be only children unsure of how siblings work. Great video on a horribly disappointing topic.

[@BlackKyurem5]

At least creators can see what they did wrong and fix the glaring issues? Right? Right? Did they fix it in Frozen 2?

[@Lily_Orchard]

No, they actively pandered to it.

[@bethbayless5652]

Unfortunately nope. Not even close

[@turkishvan2]

I just want to say that as an older sister, if I thought I had lost my sister forever (from my own actions, no less) and then got her back, that hug would have been way longer than we got in the movie. Elsa should have been clinging on to Anna for next the hour or so.

[@eauxkei702]

I notice a lot of writers don't know how to write sibling relationships or dialogue. So a lot of them come off as unintentionally romantic. It's weird. Sometimes you can blame the chemistry between two actors, but that excuse doesn't really work for animation. That said, sibling shipping is gross regardless.

[@isobel9195]

I recently saw the Broadway musical in Sydney and after seeing that the story is more about depression then anything else.

[@katiathecake-lovingcat6912]

Am I late to the party in noticing the trend of strong female characters having their stories warped by fans into some sort of sexual awakening?

[@noahmasi9368]

I loved everything that you said here.

[@Alias_Anybody]

How is it possible that I'm one of the first people here? Isolation really does strange things to you.

[@bellesterling9564]

quick comment just to say in the finale of "Friendship is Magic" they also only teased and refused to give an answer about the Fluttercord pairing, and its straight

[@saramcmurtrie3955]

For Elsa in the story I think it was about coming to terms with who she was

[@dannyphantomgirl101]

It's good to see your videos again, I just really hope you're feeling better, Lily!!

[@PoisonCupCakes1]

This is my favorite video of yours thus far!!! Keep well Lily, we love you ❤️

[@EveryDayALittleDeath]

As a bisexual homoromantic woman, you will never ever convince me that Elsa's story isn't a metaphor - but you will also never convince me that it's a gay one. It's about mental illness, specifically anxiety disorders . "Fear will be her enemy" is literally a line in the movie for godssakes! I do see the gay parallels but being gay has nothing to do with the story whereas fear is baked into the narrative.

[@Lily_Orchard]

That's not a metaphor. I'm pretty sure she just flat out HAS anxiety. It's not a metaphor if it's in the story proper.

[@EveryDayALittleDeath]

@@Lily_Orchard Fair point... I guess it's more subtext, since they never actually spell it out, and there have been people who say I'm reading too much into it when I say she has an anxiety disorder.

[@haleyferru9098]

Ew. Some people are weird. And not the good kind

[@insertwittyname815]

Elseanna: Exists Me: "Time to abandon ship."

[@herebyaccident5174]

Oh my.... This was a thing? Like an actual thing?! I thought it was a shitty meme or joke!

[@dreadknight2439]

And it only gets worse in the second movie

[@akiraohalloran]

Same. I thought it was just a joke until I saw Lily's last video.

[@Jacob_G9]

Oh GODS, this "Ship".

[@standardhuman8675]

Ok, every fandom has some incest freaks in there, but... no. No. How the hell are there so many people shipping this? Why are people like this?

[@thomascougle8060]

Writer: the door was red Teacher: omg so deep and complex using the door as a way to symbolize the character’s rage Me: *visible confusion*

[@geoffreywilson7008]

Can I paint it black? Teacher: What is wrong with this child, what HORRORS, what trauma?! I heard a cool song about it. >.>

[@jjthepikazard212]

I really like it when you completely deconstruct bad takes. Great job. 👏👏👏

[@orochi52]

When I heard that people saw this as an lgbt movie I thought wtf that's her sister?! Oh boy the "they're related" shit does not stop the internet.

[@wakawakatakeover]

I mean... When I first watched Frozen with my best friend, she was absolutely obsessing over it and projecting HARD on Elsa. It's a good movie and all and I like it perfectly fine, but 'Let It Go' once I saw it in context... It didn't feel like an empowerment anthem to me at all. Because to me it was blatantly obvious that she was lying to herself. That she was still scared. That she couldn't 'let it go.' Like, the line, 'The cold never bothered me anyway,' just screams that she's deluding herself. Yeah, the cold may not bother her physically, but the entire movie up to that point was about how the cold bothered her! On the other hand, I ended up finding myself relating to Anna's story a lot. I too am a younger sibling who often felt like I was left to the wayside growing up. And the story between Anna and Elsa... For my best friend, I was Anna. Scared for this person that I deeply love (platonicaly) and who I consider to be family. She was keeping a lot of stuff in and I wanted nothing more than to be there for her and for her to open up and talk honestly to me. But she kept pushing me away. And while I understood why and didn't blame her for it, it made me worry. And I would do anything for her. I would do anything to protect her and to make certain that she's safe but I also understood that she needed space. I understood that I couldn't make her realize what she needed to for her own sake. And I wish that she got the same thing out of Frozen that I did. Because what I got out of it was closer to the authorial intent of that you need human connection and that the love you have for your friends and family will save you while she got a coming out empowerment story. And in the end... I think that I was proven right.

[@splash-a-tic8466]

“My god, this is my job” 💀💀

[@annapoohbear98]

Thank you for creating this video. It was quite interesting hearing your thoughts and input on this film and subsequent interpretation.

[@nahte123456]

Elsanna to me is just fascinating. Like let's get this out of the way first, incest is disgusting, and no Disney for all it's(many) flaws would not do that. That being said it has so much support, and genuinely good fan art or fanfics(main of which go out of there way to turn the story AU where they aren't related because incest is disgusting but they still want to ship it). Like what about this one "ship" got so much support, good even beautiful support, despite being just so icky on a conceptual level.

[@dayglobetty]

While I hated finding out this cursed ship exists, I still loved this video

[@kittygamer797]

Thank you for the great video Lily it was awesome as usual! Hope your haveing a good day!

[@wiseguy1512]

“I’ve seen some shit in preparation for this video and I refuse to suffer through it alone.” I said the same thing when I had to make short movie project in the 6th grade for my biology class.

[@FearlessHades]

I had genuine flashbacks to my freshman year of high school when Lily made the comment about public schools not letting students read things without symbolism and metaphors, because I had to read Ethan Frome. That fucking red pickle dish is my absolute enemy and I have genuinely never found another book that I hate more than that hyper-symbolic, tear-inducing horrible book.

[@brittanyg7700]

Why must everything be sexual? They are SISTERS. Good fricking grief, why must be people do this? This is why we can't have nice things. =/ Great video as always. I look forward to the follow up video you'll probably have to do because someone tries to justify this ship. Hahah

[@annawildman2330]

Your videos are so cool, Lily! Thank you for the video about Elsa!!

[@ladycanadachan]

I honestly had never read into frozen very much, it was just a movie I liked. I appreciate the look into what parts of the fandom have brought into it and how they're cursed lol Great video as always ^_^

[@pandoraarts7748]

I *HATE* people who ship siblings 😑

[@woahyourecute9029]

Lily I’m really glad you’re still making videos. God I hope it gets better for you overall or i’m fighting someone, not sure who but i’m fighting

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

*sees title* Me: *proceeds to have Dipper x Mabel ptsd*

[@asterling4]

thanks for this video, lily!! your content never fails to broaden my perspective of media. it really is so easy to forget that creators are human too. i can't currently support you on patreon (prospective college student scraping pennies together and hoping for scholarships, haha) but in a few months when things are a little more concrete, i plan to!! your unapologetic honesty always makes my day, so... thank you

[@ungracefulunicorn7429]

Your videos are so good. I love watching them :)

[@silentdaylight]

On the topic of "always looking for symbolism", particularly how the point of it being pushed by English teachers, I wonder if the reason behind that is through looking at stories with rose-tinted glasses. The book is seen as a "classic" and true it can be, but I wonder if that thought process has accidentally made it become "the author was perfect and planned everything". It might not be that and it's probably just the fact that teachers need to do that to get their students to deal with the bullshit of standardized tests so the teacher can get a paycheck. But hey, food for thought I suppose

[@spooklyboi82]

Honestly what annoys me about shipping the most is how black and white it can all be. I feel that Elsa and Anna have a compelling dynamic, however, that doesn't they should have romantic feelings towards each other. I feel like a lot of times in fandom culture, if two characters have compelling interactions, then they should obviously date. But that's just flat out not true. Characters can have compelling relationships that are not romantic in the slightest, they could be friends, allies, enemies, or even things you can't put a label on. I feel like you should be able to enjoy character interactions that are platonic.

[@davidpopolizio3781]

This is the kind of extreme example of how people who are starving for representation, or for their... weird fantasies to have some kind of glimmer of reality will take even the smallest of crumbs like a gourmet meal.

[@nerd127]

Thanks for content lily. Hope you have a good Easter.

[@ColaLoser]

The emotional part of this video got interrupted with an ad about cooking asmr from McKormick and it's startling

[@coolbeans194]

Seeing that slash between Elsa and Anna, physically pained me. I thought Elsana was something to do with the second movie because I haven't seen it! Ew. Also, I think that people should be careful about pushing their personalities, thoughts, feelings and insecurities onto these fictional characters. They are characters. Built to tell a story and many lack the nuance or good writing to convey what someone are going through accurately. It leads to people to continue to look for or fabricate common ground with the character, which can lead to warped thinking and much worse.

[@harley5707]

11:20 honestly if people want to imagine elsa is in love with her sister than i hope they hate themselves just as much as she does herself (this is a threat)

[@ceecee6521]

Love that little crisis you were having at the start of the video, by the way. Just made it all the funnier.

[@Koron_Bui]

The only thing i enjoyed about Frozen, was the Fenrir boss fight.

[@hakudoshi999]

I think Anna being clumsy with conversation goes with her character. She spent her life alone, talking to pictures. Her inability to form a sentence without messing up makes sense, she just doesn't know what to say.

[@Szczurzyslawa]

I may be biased but if anything Elsa seems way more asexual than gay to me and people tend to get very very angry about ace-headcanons for that fictional character for some reason saying that headcanoning her as such is lesbophobic??? It amuses me because one - she has no canon sexuality so it's all up to the fans to play around tbh, and two - it's not like there's zero basis for such headcanon. Not like I care much but I am just confused.

[@butanetorch5386]

9:07 das funni haha. But on a real note I like your video quality and the discussion brought up about distinguishing familial and romantic love is one i appreciate greatly.

[@hiddenechoes]

Thank you. I love this call out of gross ships.

[@inamelzvoice]

As someone who studied in literature, what you say about how we wrongly analyse metaphors kinda blow my mind, because it make so much sense and still, we only learn in school how to prove our own theorie. Essais are never about the "pros and cons", but only what you choose to show to make your point. And that's a terrible mentality ! Especially in university, where you are suppose to learn that you have to challenge your own ideas. Saddly, the education will always stay in a traditionnal mindset, same as Hollywood, so we'll probably never see a new way to write essais before a long long time... and that's why I never did a master degree xD (Also, my native langage is french, so no, I'm not a graduate in literature only to be so bad at writing ^^')

[@chimera385]

Great video really enjoyed it

[@V-Oblivion]

Thank you. Finally somebody said it!

[@ZECRA602]

I feel so sorry for you having to go through the *hell hole that is that ship*

[@spikesenglishrose]

Around 11:00 Plus the reason Anna messed up was with talking with Elsa because she hasn’t talked to her since she was five years old and Elsa was eight years old.

[@meikobruxami8522]

I remember the first time I saw this movie just being so happy seeing Disney try something new and seeing them use familiar love was so heart warming..... And then the internet happened and people made it weird. I think it was the frozen fandom that made me actually stay away from a lot of fan bases of thing I liked because I just didn't wanted to see cursed things

[@evaab2292]

Now seriously hoped that Honeymaren had more personality in frozen 2. At least it would've been better than a sister romance.